Re: Sending message to message tray
I'm trying to run it as nagios user.The monitoring is done from my computer so I wanted a notification to come up when a service was down. Managed to get the following working in a cron job: export DISPLAY=:0 dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications \ org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify string:"nagios" int32:1 string:"warning" string:"$1" string:"$2" array:string:"" dict:string:boolean:"transient","false" int32:1 But still has to run as the user currently logged on. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > notify-send should work. Do you know why it fails? > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Thurman > wrote: > > On 4 January 2012 17:42, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > >> I have some back ground scripts that I want to sent a message to the > message > >> tray (like when they fail) > >> > >> notify-send doesn't work, so I'm assuming I need to use dbus-send > instead? > > > > Have you tried "zenity --notification"? > > > > T > > ___ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > -- > Jasper > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Sending message to message tray
I have some back ground scripts that I want to sent a message to the message tray (like when they fail) notify-send doesn't work, so I'm assuming I need to use dbus-send instead? Anyone have a simple command line I can play with? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Simple Extension to display text
I have scripts running which dump monitoring stats to a text file, which I then display using conky. I was thinking of moving it to a bubble on the top bar. Anyone have a simple extension I could bastardize for my purposes? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Detecting need for fallback
How does gnome shell detect it's not compatible on a system and fallback is needed? Or is it a case of just waiting for gnome-shell to crash? The reason I ask, I've built a livecd (PXE booted actually) that is text based and grabs things like the hardware profile. As a test I wanted to check if Gnome3 would work on the system, without starting the graphics server if I can help it. Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Shell.AppSystem (gnome-shell-extensions)
Just trying to add a livedvd_help.desktop to the user menu. I have the "install to hard drive" working which is liveinst.desktop. I think I've found where the problem is. It's not registering my livedvd_help.desktop file. But the imports.gi.Shell question is more me trying to figure out what options/parameters are behind the object. Am I missing some great user guide on all the commands/object which can be used in extensions. I'm hitting this with zero knowledge in the area... which is why I wanted the starting point in the source code. Feels like I'm trying to hit a square peg in a round hole... and yes I'm the square peg *wink* Michael On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > > Just realized I'm asking the wrong question. > > Where's the source for imports.gi.Shell > > I still don't think that's the right question either... what are you > trying to do? A bit of context would help. > > The source is the C files in src/ -- there's a bunch of files that > start with "shell-", but I'm not sure that would help you. > -- > Jasper > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Shell.AppSystem (gnome-shell-extensions)
Just realized I'm asking the wrong question. Where's the source for imports.gi.Shell ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Shell.AppSystem (gnome-shell-extensions)
Is there a Shell.AppSystem.get_userarea()?Where do I find doco on Shell.AppSystem? I'm playing with a respin/livedvd and I want to add a menu item for help which is in ~liveuser/.local/share/applications/ Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome3 slowing down.
Defiantly NOT a Gnome 3 issue. Gnome 3 is just the symptom. Just figured on this DL you'd have greater knowledge on what Gnome 3 is using to narrow the component. "Eliminating all the variables is the first step in tech support". If we further this then it's not a hardware issue. More software talking to some of the hardware. So for the record I tried swapping all I could. Nothing worked. Also if it's a hardware issue, doing a pkill gdm (or just log out/in again) shouldn't fix the issue. I suspect it's some component related to the motherboard. My only thought now is what drivers are in use or feature is being activated that would be different in this computer. I've logged a detailed bug with the Xorg, but my history with these bugs is it's not going to get looked at. I'll try the IRC when I have time to actually sit and work on this issue. Thanks for what direction I have received so far. Every little bit has me closer to the problems *smile* Michael On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:28 PM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > > Card and Model for the record. > > Tried a : NV44A [GeForce 6200] and RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] > > Also for the record. The NV44A [GeForce 6200] works fine in another > > computer. Actually tried in two and it works fine. > > Drivers tried both opensource and proprietary. Same results. In this > > computer only it's an issue. The computer is a Dell PowerEdge 840. > > And before you say it's configuration. I used the same kickstart file > to > > build all my computers, and tried reloading this PC, same results. > > Michael > > OK, this sounds like a hardware issue, not a GNOME3 issue. > > Eliminating all the variables is the first step in tech support: if > you have any PCI cards or external USB cards, try removing or > replacing them (just swap with another machine). Try swapping the > memory with another computer, and only leaving one stick plugged in if > you have more than one. > > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat > > wrote: > >> > >> Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 15:34 -0400, G. Michael Carter a écrit : > >> > >> > Problem remains even after gnome-shell is rebooted. start closing > >> > all the applications and it got much better. This time still not back > >> > to the original speed but still under 1sec. > >> > > >> > If I log out completely I'm good again. > >> The Shell memory usage is quite correct (there are probably a few leaks, > >> but nothing terrible), and no app is using much RAM. Actually, I've had > >> a look at the output of free again, and I think the problem is with the > >> cache size: 2183MB! > >> > >> I've experienced this in the past with development versions of X.org > >> that leaked memory. So I suspect this comes from your video driver, but > >> I have absolutely no idea how to debug this further. You might ask for > >> help on #xorg on irc.freenode.org, or file a bug. What's your card > >> model, for the record? You can try using another one if there's the > >> choice (e.g. with NVidia Nouveau vs. proprietary), just to check. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > > > > > -- > Jasper > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome3 slowing down.
Card and Model for the record. Tried a : NV44A [GeForce 6200] and RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] Also for the record. The NV44A [GeForce 6200] works fine in another computer. Actually tried in two and it works fine. Drivers tried both opensource and proprietary. Same results. In this computer only it's an issue. The computer is a Dell PowerEdge 840. And before you say it's configuration. I used the same kickstart file to build all my computers, and tried reloading this PC, same results. Michael On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: > Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 15:34 -0400, G. Michael Carter a écrit : > > > Problem remains even after gnome-shell is rebooted. start closing > > all the applications and it got much better. This time still not back > > to the original speed but still under 1sec. > > > > If I log out completely I'm good again. > The Shell memory usage is quite correct (there are probably a few leaks, > but nothing terrible), and no app is using much RAM. Actually, I've had > a look at the output of free again, and I think the problem is with the > cache size: 2183MB! > > I've experienced this in the past with development versions of X.org > that leaked memory. So I suspect this comes from your video driver, but > I have absolutely no idea how to debug this further. You might ask for > help on #xorg on irc.freenode.org, or file a bug. What's your card > model, for the record? You can try using another one if there's the > choice (e.g. with NVidia Nouveau vs. proprietary), just to check. > > > Regards > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome3 slowing down.
Before ALT-F2 -> r PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 22363 mcarter 20 0 1810m 223m 33m S 0.0 3.7 15:48.43 gnome-shell 4021 mcarter 20 0 380m 186m 2552 S 0.0 3.1 0:39.88 rdesktop 6025 mcarter 20 0 789m 100m 28m S 0.0 1.7 0:40.35 thunderbird-bin 21683 root 20 0 195m 63m 11m S 0.0 1.1 13:29.05 Xorg 22457 mcarter 20 0 890m 49m 19m S 0.0 0.8 0:02.68 tomboy 28691 mcarter 20 0 694m 44m 16m S 0.0 0.7 0:47.65 gedit 22447 mcarter 20 0 1068m 43m 22m S 0.0 0.7 0:05.01 pidgin 23724 mcarter 20 0 750m 38m 21m S 0.0 0.6 0:17.02 gmpc After ALT-F2 -> r PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 4021 mcarter 20 0 380m 186m 2552 S 0.0 3.1 0:39.93 rdesktop 6025 mcarter 20 0 789m 100m 28m S 0.0 1.7 0:40.60 thunderbird-bin 21683 root 20 0 209m 74m 11m S 0.7 1.2 13:31.77 Xorg 28955 mcarter 20 0 1336m 61m 28m S 1.0 1.0 0:02.30 gnome-shell 22457 mcarter 20 0 890m 49m 19m S 0.0 0.8 0:02.83 tomboy 28691 mcarter 20 0 694m 44m 16m S 0.0 0.7 0:47.84 gedit 22447 mcarter 20 0 1068m 43m 22m S 0.0 0.7 0:05.11 pidgin 23724 mcarter 20 0 750m 38m 21m S 0.3 0.6 0:17.32 gmpc 22455 mcarter 20 0 932m 38m 18m S 0.0 0.6 0:14.76 docky Problem remains even after gnome-shell is rebooted. start closing all the applications and it got much better. This time still not back to the original speed but still under 1sec. If I log out completely I'm good again. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: > Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 10:29 -0400, G. Michael Carter a écrit : > > On the RAM comment. Replacing the memory would be expensive. Cheaper > > to get a new computer. I did a full memory test recently and it came > > back clean. Is there any specific test I can do? > I don't think that's a hardware issue, you'd be getting random errors, > not slowness. > > > Currently I'm in the issue. I've closed RDP and Thunderbird. > > > > > > Here's the free results: > > > > > > free -m > > total used free sharedbuffers > > cached > > Mem: 5982 5429552 0181 > > 2183 > > -/+ buffers/cache: 3063 2918 > > Swap:10239 18 10221 > Use memory is 5429/5982, which is quite high given you have 6GB of RAM. > Something must be eating memory. > > > Top memory users are Gnome-Shell and Chrome, and chrome I only opened > > to type this message so it wasn't open when the mess started. > Can you paste the relevant output from 'top'? If you hit '<' 3 times, > you'll get the processes sorted by memory usage. > > Please restart the Shell with Alt+F2 and 'r', and have a look at 'top' > again. > > > Cheers > > > > -- * * ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome3 slowing down.
On the RAM comment. Replacing the memory would be expensive. Cheaper to get a new computer. I did a full memory test recently and it came back clean. Is there any specific test I can do? Currently I'm in the issue. I've closed RDP and Thunderbird. Here's the free results: free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 5982 5429552 0181 2183 -/+ buffers/cache: 3063 2918 Swap:10239 18 10221 Top memory users are Gnome-Shell and Chrome, and chrome I only opened to type this message so it wasn't open when the mess started. Mikey On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: > Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 10:16 -0400, G. Michael Carter a écrit : > > > 1. Anyone have any idea where I should start looking for my issue. > > It's like there's a memory leak when using programs that get's > > cleared when I shut down all programs. > Run free -m and see if that's a memory issue? If it is, top will tell > you what programs are using memory. That's probably coming from memory, > closing programs wouldn't help if it wasn't. > > > 2. Who do I log the bug with? Fedora and Gnome 3 doesn't seem to be > > the correct place. > Hard to tell until you find the program responsible for that. Fedora is > better because that's OK even if that's not a bug in GNOME, but if you > know comes from GNOME, then GNOME is better... ;-) > > > Cheers > > > > -- * G. Michael Carter* Contact: H: 1-519-940-8935 | W: 1-905-267-8494 | M: 1-519-215-1869 | F: 1-519-941-0009 Google Talk: xmpp:mikeycarter1...@gmail.com <http://livedvd.carterfamily.ca/><http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Gnome3 slowing down.
I've basically had this bug open for 2 years. Gnome3 makes things worse. Here's the symptoms. When I first startup everything is working great. After having, thunderbird and/or rdesktop and/or vnc and/or google chrome, open for a while (> 30 minutes - 1 hour) the system eventually starts to slow down. I typically only notice the problem when I activate the "activities" area. Depending when I catch the issue the activities page can take up to 5-10 seconds to render. Typically if I close all programs the activities area works again. (I have to close all programs) Then I can start opening programs as usual. (until it happens again).If I only have terminal windows open it seems to never happen. Only when one of the 4 I listed is open. But since I only notice the problem when it's really bad I never know which is actually causing it. I have 8 x Fedora 15 computers with various hardware configs and it's only one machine that does this. I tried swapping out the Nvidia card for an ATI card but it had no effect. (so it's not related to the video drivers) This issue seems to only be related to apps that use OpenGL as it also happens on KDE. But not when KDE is using xrender (or that I've noticed, KDE has different symptoms). Gnome3 is just worse because everything is 3d related. So I have two questions out of this. 1. Anyone have any idea where I should start looking for my issue.It's like there's a memory leak when using programs that get's cleared when I shut down all programs. 2. Who do I log the bug with? Fedora and Gnome 3 doesn't seem to be the correct place. Mikey ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Screen recording
So the CTRL-ALT-SHIFT R works good for recording the video... what about audio? Any way to record the mic with it? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Virtual Box Desktop Icons.
That worked thanks. Now I just have to tag them better. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > ~/.local/share/applications is the place to put user-local .desktop files > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > >> I created Virtual Box desktop icons by click the menu option in VB. Of >> course it's rather useless since Gnome 3 has no desktop. >> >> Is there place I can copy them to in the /home/ area? or is the >> only place for Gnome 3 to pick them up in the /usr/share/applications ? >> >> ___ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Virtual Box Desktop Icons.
I created Virtual Box desktop icons by click the menu option in VB. Of course it's rather useless since Gnome 3 has no desktop. Is there place I can copy them to in the /home/ area? or is the only place for Gnome 3 to pick them up in the /usr/share/applications ? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Settings and wiki
Interesting people's definition of "broken". I loaded F15 on my wife's desktop. I didn't have to give her a tour she just started using it, and had no problems. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Bob Gustafson wrote: > If the user interface is not intuitive, it is broken. > > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 17:32 +0200, Javier Domingo wrote: > > I also think it is absolutelly necesary. Like discovering how to > > switch off the computer > > > > El 09/06/2011 17:28, "Job" escribió: > > > > ___ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Workspaces as a Grid
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647874 Crap. Anyone up for a challenge... pretty please someone write an extension to do this... *big smile* Mikey ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome 3 Extensions/Themes Website?
Well gee guess I'll have to stop using those gmail icons then... wouldn't want anyone other than my wife thinking I'm a jerk... *wink* On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > If you keep using animated images (which aren't displayed in many clients > for security/privacy purposes) for smileys, lots of people are going to miss > the sarcasm and just assume you're a jerk. :) > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > >> Got a sample we can start bitching about now [?] >> >> Or should we wait till the release date to tell you everything that's >> wrong with it... [?] >> >> Michael >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Jasper St. Pierre >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Sven K < >>> intelligenzfluechtl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> First of all: >>>> I'm using Gnome 3 on Archlinux and I really like it! Thanks to everyone >>>> involved in the Gnome(-Shell) development for this great software. :) >>>> >>>> I also like that new functionality can be added easily in Gnome-Shell >>>> using Javascript and the Extensions-Feature. I know there is a git >>>> repository for extensions (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions), >>>> but I prefere sites like http://www.webup8.org to get more infos about >>>> new extensions. Gnome 3 seems to be designed to be also usable for >>>> unexperienced users/"non-geeks" so I wonder if there will be a website for >>>> extensions (like for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org or Chrome: >>>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore ) with screenshots, descriptions, >>>> installation notes or a comment-function etc. in the future... >>>> In my opinion, extensions are a great way to interest more people for >>>> the gnome desktop and on the other side also a good starting point for >>>> developers, so I think a website - e.g. in the style of gnome3.org - >>>> would be cool. >>>> >>>> Are there any plans for something like this? (Or maybe a "showcase"- / >>>> "webstore"-area in gnome-tweak-tool?) >>>> >>> >>> Yes. I'll provide more details when I have something usable, but this is >>> precisely what I'm working on at the moment. >>> >>> >>>> Greetings from Germany, >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>>> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> > <<361.gif>><<360.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome 3 Extensions/Themes Website?
Got a sample we can start bitching about now [?] Or should we wait till the release date to tell you everything that's wrong with it... [?] Michael On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Sven K > wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> First of all: >> I'm using Gnome 3 on Archlinux and I really like it! Thanks to everyone >> involved in the Gnome(-Shell) development for this great software. :) >> >> I also like that new functionality can be added easily in Gnome-Shell >> using Javascript and the Extensions-Feature. I know there is a git >> repository for extensions (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions), >> but I prefere sites like http://www.webup8.org to get more infos about >> new extensions. Gnome 3 seems to be designed to be also usable for >> unexperienced users/"non-geeks" so I wonder if there will be a website for >> extensions (like for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org or Chrome: >> https://chrome.google.com/webstore ) with screenshots, descriptions, >> installation notes or a comment-function etc. in the future... >> In my opinion, extensions are a great way to interest more people for the >> gnome desktop and on the other side also a good starting point for >> developers, so I think a website - e.g. in the style of gnome3.org - >> would be cool. >> >> Are there any plans for something like this? (Or maybe a "showcase"- / >> "webstore"-area in gnome-tweak-tool?) >> > > Yes. I'll provide more details when I have something usable, but this is > precisely what I'm working on at the moment. > > >> Greetings from Germany, >> Sven >> >> ___ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > <<361.gif>><<360.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: [Extension] CPU Temperature - Shows CPU Temperature on Gnome Shell Panel
Ya think this is my problem: [mcarter@liandra /]$ ls /sys/bus/acpi/devices/ device:00 device:04 device:08 LNXCPU:02PNP:00 PNP0501:00 PNP0B00:00 PNP0C0F:00 PNP0C0F:04 device:01 device:05 IPI0001:00 LNXCPU:03PNP0100:00 PNP0700:00 PNP0C01:00 PNP0C0F:01 PNP0C0F:05 device:02 device:06 LNXCPU:00 LNXPWRBN:00 PNP0103:00 PNP0800:00 PNP0C02:00 PNP0C0F:02 PNP0C0F:06 device:03 device:07 LNXCPU:01 LNXSYSTM:00 PNP0200:00 PNP0A03:00 PNP0C04:00 PNP0C0F:03 PNP0C0F:07 Can't restart right now so I'll have to get the test logs later. If there still needed On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:11 AM, xtranophilist aaa wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 17:31, Philipp Mohrenweiser > wrote: > >> Hi, >> works well at my self compiled shell for ubuntu 11.4 :D >> thanx a lot! >> >> cheers phil >> > > Great! > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 19:09, G. Michael Carter wrote: > >> I just tried and gnome-shell kept crashing. Is there any required >> plugins? >> >> Also is there any plans to have a wiki page or a common places for all >> these extensions (something like google chrome or firefox extensions pages)? >> >> I can see this being a scattered mess with extensions popping up all over >> the web. >> >> Michael >> > > No, it doesn't require any plugin. Which system are you on? If you boot > into runlevel 3, login and then do 'startx' to start gnome, error messages > would be visible on Ctrl+Alt+F1. I would be very much thankful if you could > post the error that caused the crash. > > Yes, it would be great if the official developers create a wiki for > extensions and keep all those TESTED OK extensions. Maybe they will one day. > > > >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Giovanni Campagna < >> scampa.giova...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Il giorno mer, 01/06/2011 alle 17.19 +0545, >>> >>> It works on my system (another F15) as well, but I don't think it >>> reliable to use sysfs paths. It could break with different kernel >>> versions, bios versions, acpi configurations, etc. >>> What you need is a portable library (upower? libgtop? something entirely >>> new?) providing that information, possibly developed along with the >>> kernel. >>> >>> Giovanni >>> >>> > Yeah, that would be more reliable. The extension finds the temperature from > the file /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM\:00/thermal_zone/temp. Don't know if > there is more generic way to do it. Maybe a similar file on sys fs exists in > all kind of system that stores the temperature, so the extension could be > made to check all those possible files and use the correct one for the > system. I certainly should do more research to find the most efficient way > that would be utilizing something that comes with the kernel. Thanks for the > vision. > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: [Extension] CPU Temperature - Shows CPU Temperature on Gnome Shell Panel
I just tried and gnome-shell kept crashing. Is there any required plugins? Also is there any plans to have a wiki page or a common places for all these extensions (something like google chrome or firefox extensions pages)? I can see this being a scattered mess with extensions popping up all over the web. Michael On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > Il giorno mer, 01/06/2011 alle 17.19 +0545, xtranophilist aaa ha > scritto: > > I am learning to create gnome shell extensions, and just finished > > creating this extension for gnome shell: > > https://github.com/xtranophilist/gnome-shell-extension-cpu-temperature > > > > Took help from many other extensions. > > > > I am not sure whether it works fine on other systems, but did work > > fine on my F15. > > > > I would love feedbacks. :) > > It works on my system (another F15) as well, but I don't think it > reliable to use sysfs paths. It could break with different kernel > versions, bios versions, acpi configurations, etc. > What you need is a portable library (upower? libgtop? something entirely > new?) providing that information, possibly developed along with the > kernel. > > Giovanni > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Having multiple admins
I have three people I want to make admins. I've used the user area to make them admins and added them to the wheel group. But when I get the authorization from this step: [mcarter@liandra ~]$ epiphany bash: epiphany: command not found... Install package 'epiphany' to provide command 'epiphany'? [N/y] * Running.. * Resolving dependencies.. * Waiting for authentication.. The transaction failed: not-authorized, Failed to obtain authentication. It only asks for my authorization. How do I get it to list the other admins? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Setting administrators from command line?
I see to make a user an administrator you go into the system area -> users. How do you do it via command line? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Workspaces slowing me down.
Well using the short cut keys for Desktop 1-9 is rather useless. You close mail for what every reason and there's no way to put mail back on Workspace 2, without putting it on WS 2 then moving all other windows in WS2 to WS3. WS3 windows to WS4... etc to WS8 windows to WS9. With dynamic workspaces there's no easy way to organize yourself. Personally I think we need an option to turn off the dynamic workspaces and make it a grid. (I think dynamic workspaces work for most users out there... it's just us few who reply on workspaces as a method of organization who are in pain... [?]) Guess I'll just have to wait for someone to action https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647874 Thanks for the input. <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Workspaces slowing me down.
Usually I work on dual 24" monitors so I'll have maybe 2 virtual windows open. But I was working on a laptop all this week and with the 15" screen I've had about 9 workspaces going. Moving between them I find is slowing me down in Gnome 3. One thing slowing me down is when I need to go from 1 to 9. The ALT-CTRL up/down takes forever, if I don't miss my stop in all the clicking. In Gnome 2 I just had a 3x3 grid for the workspaces. I put in a suggestion -- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647874 -- to make them a grid. Anyone know if there's a tweak to accomplish this now? The other things is the overview page. If your frequently moving from one workspace to another; hitting hot corner, moving to unhide workspaces, pausing to visually identify the window I need. Takes time. I realize I'm partly causing my own problem. If I put mail on 1, terminal on 2, ...etc I'd have an easier time finding it. But with the workspaces being dynamic, where they are now can switch over the course of a day. Anyone have any tips/tricks for staying organized? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
Sounds good to me :D. Best of all worlds. Sent from my iPhone On 2011-05-11, at 12:04 PM, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > On 11/05/11 17:38, Micah Carrick wrote: >> Problem with that, for me anyway, is I often need to copy what's >> underneath and paste into the dialog. So I really do need to move it. >> >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:27 AM, G. Michael Carter >> wrote: >>>> I've seen comments in this list before about the dialog box needing to move >>>> so you can see what's underneath, and people pointing to setting to undock >>>> it. Seems pointless to keep turning it on/off for one or two windows. >>>> Then I had a thought. How about have a way to fade it to see >>>> what's underneath? Have it hooked to a hot key or some type of mouse >>>> gesture? > > What about: > > 1) the dialog is solid when first appears > 2) if you move the mouse over it and then out, the dialog fades enough > to let you see what's under it > 3) if you press a special key like control the dialog goes completely > transparent and let you select content under it (maybe does make > sense to show its outline > > The rationale is that (2) is a sensible behaviour useful to everybody > while (3) should be learned by the user, but then not everybody needs to > copy what's under the dialog and a power user can just learn it. > > federico > > -- > Federico Di Gregorio federico.digrego...@dndg.it > Studio Associato Di Nunzio e Di Gregorio http://dndg.it > I came like Water, and like Wind I go. -- Omar Khayam > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
So when we finish talking this issue to death, does it go on a todo list somewhere? Or should I be logging an enhancement bug? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
Sounds good to me. Best of all worlds. :D On Wednesday, 11 May 2011, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > On 11/05/11 17:38, Micah Carrick wrote: >> Problem with that, for me anyway, is I often need to copy what's >> underneath and paste into the dialog. So I really do need to move it. >> >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:27 AM, G. Michael Carter >> wrote: >>> > I've seen comments in this list before about the dialog box needing to >>> > move >>> > so you can see what's underneath, and people pointing to setting to undock >>> > it. Seems pointless to keep turning it on/off for one or two windows. >>> > Then I had a thought. How about have a way to fade it to see >>> > what's underneath? Have it hooked to a hot key or some type of mouse >>> > gesture? > > What about: > > 1) the dialog is solid when first appears > 2) if you move the mouse over it and then out, the dialog fades enough > to let you see what's under it > 3) if you press a special key like control the dialog goes completely > transparent and let you select content under it (maybe does make > sense to show its outline > > The rationale is that (2) is a sensible behaviour useful to everybody > while (3) should be learned by the user, but then not everybody needs to > copy what's under the dialog and a power user can just learn it. > > federico > > -- > Federico Di Gregorio federico.digrego...@dndg.it > Studio Associato Di Nunzio e Di Gregorio http://dndg.it > I came like Water, and like Wind I go. -- Omar Khayam > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > -- * G. Michael Carter* Contact: H: 1-519-940-8935 | W: 1-905-267-8494 | M: 1-519-215-1869 | F: 1-519-941-0009 Google Talk: xmpp:mikeycarter1...@gmail.com <http://livedvd.carterfamily.ca/><http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
Let's try adding the list now. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, G. Michael Carter wrote: > For me moving the dialog isn't always needed. My recent case I just needed > to see under the "add entry" box of revelation so I could see how I formated > the name of the previous entires. (closing it and reopening was my > workaround) When starting Oracle Forms sometimes the certification box for > the dialog get's stuck behind the splash page. In that case there's no > workaround in Gnome 3... but I can get around it by finding a non-gnome 3 > session to acknowledge the box with. > > So if the developers have a good reason for keeping the dialog the way it > is then a fade and/or hide would be good enough to get us around these few > cases. > > Michael > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, jose.ali...@gmail.com < > jose.ali...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM, G. Michael Carter >> wrote: >> > Maybe a quick hot key to undock? There's already a config option for >> it, >> > can it be activated on the fly? >> >> That sounds very akward to me. If the dialog is shading some info that >> you need to see, then clearly this is wrong UI and this should be >> addressed first, instead of adding workarounds to move the dialog (in >> my opinion, of course). >> So for instance, I think the replace dialog in Gedit will go away for >> 3.2. The search dialog already went away on 3.0. It would be nice to >> see all the Use cases where you need to move the dialog to see if >> whether there is a better option for this dialog. >> Greets >> >> José >> >> > >> > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Micah Carrick >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Problem with that, for me anyway, is I often need to copy what's >> >> underneath and paste into the dialog. So I really do need to move it. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:27 AM, G. Michael Carter >> >> wrote: >> >> > I've seen comments in this list before about the dialog box needing >> to >> >> > move >> >> > so you can see what's underneath, and people pointing to setting to >> >> > undock >> >> > it. Seems pointless to keep turning it on/off for one or two >> windows. >> >> > Then I had a thought. How about have a way to fade it to see >> >> > what's underneath? Have it hooked to a hot key or some type of mouse >> >> > gesture? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > gnome-shell-list mailing list >> >> > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ___ >> > gnome-shell-list mailing list >> > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> > >> > >> > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Having active applications in search
Without thinking I wanted to get to my browser so I hit the Win key, typed goo and thought wait a minute. Active windows aren't going to be there. Is this something that could be added? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
Maybe a quick hot key to undock? There's already a config option for it, can it be activated on the fly? On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Micah Carrick wrote: > Problem with that, for me anyway, is I often need to copy what's > underneath and paste into the dialog. So I really do need to move it. > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:27 AM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > > I've seen comments in this list before about the dialog box needing to > move > > so you can see what's underneath, and people pointing to setting to > undock > > it. Seems pointless to keep turning it on/off for one or two windows. > > Then I had a thought. How about have a way to fade it to see > > what's underneath? Have it hooked to a hot key or some type of mouse > > gesture? > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Dialog box locked to under title bar. Can we make it fade?
I've seen comments in this list before about the dialog box needing to move so you can see what's underneath, and people pointing to setting to undock it. Seems pointless to keep turning it on/off for one or two windows. Then I had a thought. How about have a way to fade it to see what's underneath? Have it hooked to a hot key or some type of mouse gesture? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar?
Sorry I was referring to the Favorites. I read the subject line. I agree that it would be a duplicate but extensions are more add-ons for people to have choice. In any case if the Gnome developers don't like it... there's no reason a third party (like the fedora team) couldn't write one. [?] The code for the dock and places is there... just need to merge the ideas into one. I think then Denys should go hop on the Fedora list and ask there. <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar?
What about writing the dock extension so it's a button like the places or drive menu. That way people can get their "Menu" sort of speak with out interfering with the design. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Ryan Peters wrote: > On 05/06/2011 08:46 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > >> Since top bar still exists, and the place where icons used to be >> now is not used for anything, what about making it possible >> to have Favorites *there* >> > There are a lot of different screen sizes; some are big and some are very > small. GNOME 3 wants to be usable on a wide variety of screens, so the top > bar is not "user-owned", but instead "system-owned". This is much easier to > manage from a developer's standpoint (less odd bugs, simpler to code, etc.), > and it also gives GNOME 3 a consistent visual identity, making support much > easier. > > Also, GNOME 2 had an annoying problem where you had to manually position > every widget that wasn't placed by default. GNOME 3, by having a static top > panel that's system-owned, fixes this problem. In addition, the top bar is > extremely tiny. The dock for the favorites list is just as fast to reach > (especially if you use the Windows/Super key) and it's easier to click, > especially with a low-precision input device like a laptop touch pad, or > even on a touch-screen device like an iPad. > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
Nice help page. Just having a look at it for the first time. Ummm wonder if that's bad... Using Gnome-Shell for over a month now and only now noticing the help pages... [?] Maybe there's an idea. Have a check box in the help page to open at startup. Then the user can de-select it. (or is that like screaming RTFM?) In anycase I really do like the help pages. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 20:59, G. Michael Carter wrote: > >> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams < >> awill...@whitemice.org> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:01 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: >>> > On Friday, 06 May, 2011 01:54 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: >>> >>> >>> > That's the best thing to do and will certainly reduced people >>> > complaining the same thing (No taskbar, no min/max, no power-off, crap >>> > notifications, etc.) >>> >>> Eh? Seriously? Have you seen <http://www.gnome3.org/>. There you go - >>> videos. >>> >>> >> Point is your typically not getting gnome3 by going to that website. Your >> getting gnome 3 from Fedora or something else. I only recently found out >> that site existed. That's where the welcome screen comes in handy. For >> the users just picking up a Fedora CD and going with it. >> > > Please join the docs team and help us get the videos embedded in Yelp for > 3.2. I'm already toying with the idea of new video content. With strict > adherence to freeze schedule, we'll get them done in plenty of time for > translators. > > <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:01 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: > > On Friday, 06 May, 2011 01:54 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > > > That's the best thing to do and will certainly reduced people > > complaining the same thing (No taskbar, no min/max, no power-off, crap > > notifications, etc.) > > Eh? Seriously? Have you seen <http://www.gnome3.org/>. There you go - > videos. > > Point is your typically not getting gnome3 by going to that website. Your getting gnome 3 from Fedora or something else. I only recently found out that site existed. That's where the welcome screen comes in handy. For the users just picking up a Fedora CD and going with it. > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Managing Extensions.
I was just going to suggest a extension manager in the system tools area... then thought... I guess we already have one for enable/disabling gnome-shell-extensions. It's called PackageKit. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
I keep doing that... forgetting to hit reply-all, let's try again: Here's a thought. What about a dialog "welcome" box for the first users. (have a check box to go away forever) Then have links or info on how to use Gnome 3? Maybe a video giving a quick tutorial? Tips of the day? Then it eliminates the need to "google" for anything. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Micah Carrick wrote: > I'll give you a quick answer to that... > > When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not realize we were not > upgrading, but switching to a completely new beast. I actually had to take a > day off work to comb the internet learning about what's going on and why (we > aren't all in the loop with GNOME Journal and Planet GNOME and the like). > GNOME 3 is a radical shift away from what we are used to. > > So we do a few Google searches and we find a much larger percentage of > un-resolved complaints and the same ones over and over. It gives the > impression the the core team has not answered (which of course is not the > case) or does not care about what *we* think (we being the existing > user-base and "power users"). It can be difficult to navigate through the > GNOME Wiki. > > The point I am making is that while this list has answered some of these > same questions and complaints over and over and over--the unanswered posts > and blogs seem to drown out the answers. There is a lot of information to > sort through. I think some more work can be done on FAQ and that the > marketing could do more to reach out to existing GNOME user-base. > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:25 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >>> > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >>> > > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: >>> > > > When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many >>> of >>> > > > these "I don't like Gnome 3" e-mails and they all end the same way. >>> > > Does it ring some sort of bell when you receive 'many "I don't like >>> > > Gnome 3" e-mails'? The key word is "many". >>> > > > I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times >>> > > What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint >>> > > coming up again and again? >>> > >>> >> >> Means we're only seeing part of the story?How many people are >> complaining on this list because they like Gnome 3? There are just as many >> people who like the current layout. The fact it keeps coming up again and >> again means people just can't let go or are close minded? >> >> >>> > That some user's don't read the documentation? That's is half a joke, >>> > and half serious. >>> >>> Wrong. >>> >> >> Well right, in my opinion, as far as the don't read. This discussion is >> in the archives of this list many many times. Why does it have to come up >> again? [?] >> >> >>> ___ >>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> > > > -- > *Green Tackle* - *Environmentally Friendly Fishing Tackle* > www.GreenTackle.com <http://www.greentackle.com> > > Email: mi...@greentackle.com > Phone: 971.270.2206 > Toll Free: 877.580.9165 > Fax: 503.946.3106 > > > <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:25 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > > > When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of > > > > these "I don't like Gnome 3" e-mails and they all end the same way. > > > Does it ring some sort of bell when you receive 'many "I don't like > > > Gnome 3" e-mails'? The key word is "many". > > > > I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times > > > What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint > > > coming up again and again? > > > Means we're only seeing part of the story?How many people are complaining on this list because they like Gnome 3? There are just as many people who like the current layout. The fact it keeps coming up again and again means people just can't let go or are close minded? > > That some user's don't read the documentation? That's is half a joke, > > and half serious. > > Wrong. > Well right, in my opinion, as far as the don't read. This discussion is in the archives of this list many many times. Why does it have to come up again? [?] > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.
When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of these "I don't like Gnome 3" e-mails and they all end the same way. It's this way for a reason, if you don't like it... there's this thing call gnome-shell-extensions. I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times and all it took was for someone to write it into an extension. Same with Dock, gnome-do/docky, tint2 so many options. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Apps and Places Menu buttons for gnome shell.
Any way we can get this into the GIT area of the existing extensions? On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Vamsi Krishna Brahmajosyula < vamsikrishna.brahmajosy...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have tried to build a couple of extensions for the shell. > > Apps Menu and Places Menu buttons on the main panel. > > feel free to download them from > http://pascal.iiit.ac.in/~vamsi/pub/gnome-shell/extensions/ > > Give a try and let me know if you have liked them or otherwise. > > > ps: They are by no means a replacement for using 'Overview' to navigate. > Personally I have big hopes for what can be done with Overview. > > > Thanks > > Vamsi > > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
The main issue I've been seeing on this list is people with a 1920x1080 screen want it one way, and people with a 1024x600 or 960x640 screen want something else. I agree we need to make things like this optional (or even auto detect based on resolution). That is if we want Gnome-Shell to run on more than just the desktop with a big screen. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Thanasis Georgiou wrote: > Why not have a setting for it? All users happy, no compromises done. > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: RFC: compat list
Oh how about another idea. have an extension that gathers the key info about the hardware. Allow the user a rating. Something like smolt idea. Even post versions of the graphics drivers. Just thinking out loud here. On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 22:13 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > We should have this compatibility list started on the Gnome 3 site. > > With a spot to put their hardware/experience. > > > > > > That way people can see at a glance what works and what doesn't. > > I've tried to run such efforts before, and they tend to be too unwieldy. > They also go stale rapidly and thus wind up being inaccurate. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Feedback
I think it's fine to have the option under the ALT key... the problem is how does the normal user find out? Although with that said... would we want to be more green and go full hibernate? On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Allan E. Registos < allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph> wrote: > > > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "G. Michael Carter" > >To: "Adam Williamson" > >Cc: "gnome-shell-list" > >Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:17:58 AM > >Subject: Re: Feedback > > > > > >If I'm powering off it's because I'm unplugging the computer. If I'm > rebooting it's to update to the new kernel. The, what I that was a lack, of > >other options was annoying. > > This is one of the reasons why the GNOME Shell was being accused of being > "designed by software developers for software developers." End users should > have options available. > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Feedback
If I'm powering off it's because I'm unplugging the computer. If I'm rebooting it's to update to the new kernel. The, what I that was a lack, of other options was annoying. But the ALT key works for me. Are these tips posted somewhere? Guess I should have looked at the help maybe ;) On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:40 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > > > It should only be a default if we detect you computer can support it. > > > > Can you give us some hardware details, and try: > > > > pm-utils --suspend && echo "Supported" || echo "Not supported" > > > > in a terminal? > > I hope you realize this is an extremely inaccurate test; there are many > many motherboards out there whose BIOSes claim suspend support, but for > which suspend in Linux simply does not work. Testing for support > reported (or not) by the BIOS is never going to get close to catching > all potential failure cases. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: RFC: compat list
We should have this compatibility list started on the Gnome 3 site. With a
spot to put their hardware/experience.
That way people can see at a glance what works and what doesn't.
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 14:31 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> > Hi Sergey,
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> > >
> > > Would it make sense to consolidate all HW+GL-related information
> > > (requirements) on a single page on live.gnome.org? Minimal list of
> > > extensions, hints ("do not use this driver, do not use those chips,
> > > etc")
> >
> > I think we really do need a high level description of the current
> > state somewhere, yes.
> >
> > My understanding is roughly at least for Intel "any card ≥ i915/945",
> > though i915 is about the very minimum. We do need to get recent data
> > about ATI and NVIDIA; can anyone help fill in?
>
> From the relevant Fedora developers, who are also upstream X developers,
> my current understanding so far as the free drivers goes is:
>
> Intel - i9xx and higher. i8xx is known to sort-of-work but have major
> issues, these issues will not be fixed and the intent is that i8xx
> adapters should be detected and fallback mode should be used.
>
> Radeon - r300 and higher, that's Radeon 9500 and higher. r200 and r100
> are the same story as i8xx: they should be blacklisted by the
> session-is-accelerated check.
>
> NVIDIA - GeForce and higher (I may be a bit out here; it may be GeForce
> 2 and higher).
> --
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Google Chrome and proxies
Can someone with knowledge on how the proxies are set in Gnome 3 put a comment on this bug: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=80453 Thanks. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell
I just downloaded unity/Ubuntu 11.04 and was playing with it. One feature I really like is the application menu is in the top bar. (ie: the File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help) Can we do that in the application thing right beside the Activities? or is this something planned already? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnote
I thought gnote was the official being listed on https://live.gnome.org/Gnote? It would be nice if we could somehow handle tray icons like this some other way. Virt-Manager, and Pidgin are also examples of this. They rely on you clicking and interfacing with the icon so the movement of these icons in the message area are distracting at best. Maybe have something in the Overview page which locks them and allows for you to interface with them in a more static manner. Or something else. Don't have many ideas at the moment. On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 09:31 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > Last I looked Gnote was part of the gnome suite. Is there any plans > > to make it more Gnome-Shell friendly? I've always used Gnote as a > > quick way to write things down or keep references (like commands for > > LVM, or things like that) > > I don't believe gnote is part of the official GNOME applications list. > > But anyway, Tomboy [which is an 'official' GNOME application] suffers > from the same issue. Usability is reduced in GNOME3. > > But if you start Tomboy (perhaps adding it to favorites) you can assign > a "Create new note" hot-key. This works in GNOME 3. > > So I just punch Ctrl-Alt-N and a new note window pops up. But it > appears you have to have Tomboy running for this to work. > > Perhaps you can (a) switch to Tomboy or (b) apply a similar work around > to Gnote. > > > I'd like to recommend this icon for the top bar, as I see it needing > > the same level of visibility that the calendar under the clock would > > need. > > Just my thought. It's not like gnote is not usable, just after 2 > > months of using Gnome-Shell, I still find it awkward. > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Gnote
Last I looked Gnote was part of the gnome suite. Is there any plans to make it more Gnome-Shell friendly? I've always used Gnote as a quick way to write things down or keep references (like commands for LVM, or things like that) In Gnome-Shell it's not as easy to access as it used to be. You have to wait for the message tray un-hide, then move over to the icon while everything is shifting around, then click the icon to get the list. I find it always takes me a few seconds just to get visually orientated before the icon is useful. (not to mention the preciousness you need to hit the icon with. Frequently I find my self chasing the icon around) I'd like to recommend this icon for the top bar, as I see it needing the same level of visibility that the calendar under the clock would need. Just my thought. It's not like gnote is not usable, just after 2 months of using Gnome-Shell, I still find it awkward. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Can you turn off idle in chat?
I have three computers in my office. So depending where the IM is running it could say I'm idle for hours when I'm sitting right here.Is there any way of turning it off like in pidgin? Reason I ask, I used to have a boss who would judge if I was working or not based on my idle times I was fixing a critical issue on another computer, actually worked 15 hours that day but the boss said I didn't work at all because my idle time said 20 hours so I turned it off... now it looks like I work 24-7 [?] Needless to say I want to keep that practice. <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Can I get confirmation that r100 and r200 will not work with gnome shell?
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 13:50 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 12:10 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > > Can I get confirmation that r100 and r200 will not work with gnome > shell? > > > > > > "gnome-shell isn't expected to work on r100 (or r200) you need >= r300 > for > > > radeon cards for it to work." > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679264 > > > > Confirmed. > > > > (It's not really a question of features, but these cards just don't have > > enough power to give a decent experience with GNOME Shell, so > > we don't want to spend the considerable amount of time necessary to > > debug the drivers and get them working with GNOME Shell.) > > In this case, the fallback detection should detect such chips and run > the fallback mode on them; trying to run Shell and giving a poor > experience is not a good idea. > In this case it doesn't. I get the option "LOGOFF" and that's it. (With an unhappy computer icon in the centre)Bottom line I couldn't see the fallback get the attention that a non-3d session would so would be better to upgrade the hardware or switch to something like KDE, XFCE, or LXDE. I just needed that confirmation so I could layout my parents options. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Can I get confirmation that r100 and r200 will not work with gnome shell?
Can I get confirmation that r100 and r200 will not work with gnome shell? "gnome-shell isn't expected to work on r100 (or r200) you need >= r300 for radeon cards for it to work." https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679264 ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Thumbs up!
Adding my 2 cents. I think the shell is good as is, because if you don't like something it's expandable via extensions. My only real concern is the Shell is great on systems it runs well on. What about those running a system with problems? ie: 1. I get about 2 frames for the animation of expose. So I don't really get the benefit of seeing where they go. 2. On a system that's overloaded or say something has a massive memory leak... How long does it take to bring up and animate the overview page? I know people have told me to log bugs... but some are still outstanding for over a year. With all that said I think the documentation for creating extensions should be really well documented, so anyone who says "I don't like" you can send them to the docs. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
More than 9 users on gdm
Does anyone have more than 9 users defined? How does the gdm login screen look? Mine has the users selection box bleeding out of it's assigned box. Wanted to know if anyone else has a similar thing? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: solution for notifications
I still like the idea of a halo like how Docky does it when somethings waiting. Or even have the wave that shows up when activities is activated in the bottom corner. Have it show when there's a message waiting. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: How does gnome-shell handle urgent windows?
The one annoying thing about the notifications is what happens when your not at your desk.Is it possible to get the gnome-shell to "re-show" any alerts not acknowledged, like a reminder? Or how about doing something like docky. When docky is hidden if there's something waiting there's a red transparent halo that appears at the bottom of the screen. Maybe have something similar, a transparent halo or something in the bottom corner saying something is waiting for you. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: > Le mercredi 20 avril 2011 à 11:58 +0200, David Prieto a écrit : > > Hi Milan, thanks for your reply. > > > > One of the things this person likes about this kind of notifications > > on Windows is that they're visible all the time, even if you weren't > > looking at the screen when the notification appeared, even without any > > user interaction (as opposed to moving the cursor to a screen corner). > > > > Does Gnome-shell consider any case where notifications are present all > > the time, just as explained? > AFAIK, in GNOME2 when the window asked for user attention, the panel > made it blink until clicked. No idea what Windows does in that regard. > > In the Shell, the notification is shown only once for a few seconds, but > it will stay in the messaging bar as long as the window isn't focused. > And that bar is automatically shown when you return from idle, which > should be OK for your use case. > > > Also, he told me that an open Firefox window with gmail on it will > > appear as urgent when someone talks to you on gtalk. I haven't seen > > that behavior on Gnome-shell, should that trigger a notification too? > I don't know how this works, but probably the Firefox window simply asks > for focus, which will trigger the notification. One should check if > that's the case. > > (But ultimately GTalk chat should be done via Empathy, and it will be > really well integrated into the Shell. Web browsers aren't IM apps...) > > > Cheers > > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Food for thought - Unity usability test report
Is there a usability report for Gnome 3? On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > Hi, all, > > MPT just posted the results of a usability test for Unity: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html > > While this is of course not directly relevant to gnome-shell, it *does* > have many interesting points that we should consider. > > The rest of the thread is interesting as well. Happy weekend reading :) > > Federico > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Big Title Bar
To me this makes things perfect:
sed -i "/title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g"
/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml
If anyone's interested.
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Autohide Top Bar?
Is there any switch the top bar into an auto-hide mode? Only thing I'd use on it all the time is the clock. Other than that it's 95% of the time wasted space (thinking this would really help those netbook users too). ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
What happens when Gnome-Shell isn't behaving?
Gnome Shell is one of these applications that is amazing, as long as everything is working. But on a system that Gnome-Shell is slow, or glitchy the Gnome-Shell overview interface is complete garbage and totally frustrating. I agree 200ms is fast enough and the overview page is a great concept, I would just like to see better fall back when it's too slow or doesn't come up at all (another random weird case which started happening when I have a virtual machine running) -- I know, log a bug... but what do you do in the mean time? -- In the case the overview page is not working, If you want to see what's running you hit ALT-TAB. If you know the application to run like "xterm" you can hit ALT-F2. There's just no backup if you don't know the name of the application, and need a menu/application list or the application search. Since it seems altering the UI to give that backup is out of the question, what about a hot-key for fallback mode? or a hot key to restart the gnome shell, without killing the running apps? I'm open to suggestions here. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Gnome Sluggish problem back
On first login it works great. I get between 200ms - 500ms. After opening about 20 applications I still get the 200ms - 500ms (small glitch on first open after that initial 20 app start) After working for 1 hour or so, the overview page start to take a minimum of 2 seconds to pull up and the sonar animation on the hot corner only renders about 3-4 frames in that 2+ seconds. With vlc running that overview page can take up to 10 seconds. At this point even closing all applications does not get me back to the 500ms. Also to note I think the entire gnome-shell slows down at this point. Just don't really notice it, the overview page to select an application I haven't put on docky is the only time I actually notice the system is slow. I've tried swapping the ATI card for a Nvidia card and not luck. So it doesn't seem to be a problem with the graphic drivers. Also works fine on my laptop. Where should I start looking? I've got two bugs open on this issue (one with Fedora and other with Gnome). Also I noticed on this machine the gtkperf sucks. Total time is 22.32 seconds. Where on the laptop (which is slower everything) it takes about 9.03 seconds. Don't know if this is related. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Pidgin - message tray
managed to find my own answer: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=izhar/public_git/hack-patches.git;a=tree;f=gnomesh...@pidgin.im On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM, G. Michael Carter wrote: > Is there a way to get the messenger tray at the bottom to pick up pidgin > instant messages or is it an empathy only thing? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Pidgin - message tray
Is there a way to get the messenger tray at the bottom to pick up pidgin instant messages or is it an empathy only thing? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Idea: show potential apps in the search
Thought it would be interesting if the search in the overview page could also search the yum repository. (maybe keep a background cache so the search doesn't slow down) That way if you type "music", you not only get the programs you have installed but the potential programs that could be on your system. This would be really useful to those new to Linux.One biggest challenges I have with windows users is getting them over the concept you don't have to go to Futureshop or Best Buy to get new software in Linux. Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Is there a tutorial for writing gnome-shell extensions?
I have the background programs running which create text files of things like drive stats, database processing status. I was thinking if I could write this as an extension might be nice. Is there any tutorial guide for writing extensions? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
NetworkManager dependency on Gnome-Shell
I decided to give up on my overview page speed issue and look at empathy. Empathy wasn't connecting at all. Kept reporting I had no network connection. Turns out if NetworkManager doesn't control the network -- ie you've bridged your only network card so you can have virtual machines connect direct to the network -- many network related activities don't function, even with a network connection. Then I needed an application and the overview page is now close to the 200-500 ms range. Seems all of my speed issues are related to having the network card bridged. Even my rdesktop is running faster. Does anyone have their network card bridge? Is there something in gnome-shell that might be causing this to happen? Seems rather strange just deactivating a network bridge would speed up graphics rendering. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Empathy - No network connection
My instant messanger keeps reporting no network connection but as your receiving this I do have one. Any ideas where to look? My interface isn't NM controlled so I'm thinking that's the route of my problem. Any ideas how to debug? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?
> > > I'm not giving up gnome-do regardless. I find gnome-do more efficient when > I'm launching apps in the same workspace. Eg more terminals, a quick > browser. I use the overview when I want to start a new task in another > workspace. gnome-do works beautifully for the first scenario. Sometimes, > the elegant solution is to use gnome-do or some other utility. Unless of > course you believe this might be difficult for your wife? > > Regardless if my wife has difficulty I'm getting the strong sense there is no way the application selection is going to be enhanced in any way possible. My view of the current overview page, it's like your sitting in a theatre, and while your watching the movie someone keeps asking you to move while they get to their seat. Doesn't matter if it's 200ms, 5 seconds or the 10 seconds (ie the system's only a single core and the video has the CPU/GPU maxed out). It's still annoying. If the movie hasn't started it's great thought. So my only option is a program not of gnome-shell design. No big deal. > That said, five seconds sounds way too slow for going to the overview, > running gedit and coming back. That's worthy of putting in a bug and then > running through some debugging to find out why that is. I have never taken > that long to do that. As for the video portion you should still be able to > watch the video even in overview mode for the second it takes to launch > gedit. > > As for logging a bug... well I have several open going back about a year for that system. Even replaced the graphics card. Problems more related with OpenGL area as KDE with XRender works fine. I've given up and I'll live with the 5 seconds. sri > > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?
Maybe so but doesn't change the fact that I'm watching that video.What happens to the video when I go to the overview page, especially with a lot of apps open? I guess I kinda got my answer. Gnome 3 isn't going to make it easy, best solution is docky or other launcher app so I can watch that video and open an app without taking my attention away from the video. Thanks anyways. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Florian Müllner wrote: > On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 13:56 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: > > > On my system with video playing and after the system has been running > > for a while it takes about 5 seconds... > > That is a bug which needs fixing, not workarounds in the interface. > > Florian > > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?
Nice answer. On my system with video playing and after the system has been running for a while it takes about 5 seconds... so question to you "why is 5 seconds not slow to you?" Can take even longer if there's a RDP and/or vnc sessions open. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:13, G. Michael Carter wrote: > >> I have a video playing in the corner of the screen. Now I want to take >> some notes on a scene currently taking place, how do you bring up gedit >> without the need to pause the video (if the video can be paused at all -- >> live webcasts don't pause --), open the overview page, type gedit, then come >> back replay the video and hope the stream didn't die (which would cause me >> to have to start over and start fast forwarding) >> > > G E D > > Measured with recording that it takes around 200ms. I think the better > question would be, "Why is this not fast enough for you?" > > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?
There's one scenario with Gnome 3 that's really awkward for me. And is when F15 is released is going to be awkward for my wife who's taking university classes from home. I have a video playing in the corner of the screen. Now I want to take some notes on a scene currently taking place, how do you bring up gedit without the need to pause the video (if the video can be paused at all -- live webcasts don't pause --), open the overview page, type gedit, then come back replay the video and hope the stream didn't die (which would cause me to have to start over and start fast forwarding) Currently I'm using docky/gnome-do to work around this, but wondered if something could be done in Gnome 3 itself. One thought I had, would it be possible to have a search that's accessed from the message tray. Something like the instant messenger setup? Hit a key and an instant message type window comes up in the message tray at the bottom of the screen. Type your search and the applications show as small icons above the window (or something like that). ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Netbook experience
I don't have it with me right now but you can cut the space used on the title bar quite a bit if you play with the theme XML file. Might be something for the tweak tool. Sent from my iPhone On 2011-04-09, at 5:01 AM, "Mirek M." wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have been following Gnome Shell development for quite a while, reading > blogs and watching videos of it in action. While I really like its user > interface in theory (Hot corner, Exposé, Messaging tray, ...), I was really > disappointed when I tried the final version of Gnome Shell on my netbook > today. > > Because Gnome 3 features bigger UI elements than Gnome 2, Gnome Shell is > unfit for small screens. A number of windows can't even fit on the screen, > and, unless you know that you can move a window using "Alt" (which most users > don't know), you're out of luck [1]. Sometimes, you can't even close this > window because the "Close" button has been removed from the title bar and > resides at the bottom [2] [3]. > Some applications, although they fit inside the screen, are unusable in their > default state. Rhythmbox, for example, can only show about 2 songs in its > default state [4]. Nautilus, although it is somewhat usable, is still a > disappointment over my current Nautilus Elementary window [5][6]. > > Before this is fixed, I will stick to the standard Gnome desktop (or perhaps > switch to Ubuntu's Unity desktop). Or is there a way to fix this right now? > > Also, will fixing this be even considered by the Gnome team or is it too late > for a fix? > (I'm assuming that the fix will come when the Resolution Independence work is > done [7].) > > [1] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wA89CvByxNbpvxGT_Gao9g?feat=directlink > [2] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vL3pm9qQSf4CPv0JFxEm8g?feat=directlink > [3] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jWXIgN27woTpyf9GNU0rOg?feat=directlink > [4] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3LBm6bUky5UMC3dpLmzdNw?feat=directlink > [5] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Q2yQZlNB4zm2wndkUhx7DQ?feat=directlink > [6] > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6dN2-ZtMzf0kx-2Y833jqQ?feat=directlink > [7] https://live.gnome.org/GTK+/RI > > P. S. I'm new here, so tell me if I did something wrong or if this message > belongs somewhere else. Thanks. > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: New GNOME Shell video on Youtube
forgot to include the list On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:25 PM, G. Michael Carter wrote: > >> LOL, did you read this? >> >> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html >> >> > Ya I mostly read it. That's why I asked about a video. Someone who > makes a video to show you the faults is actually taking the time to show you > something. [?] These blog pages I find are making a lot of assumptions. > > Personally I don't like the wasted space in gnome 3 but once I found the > tweak tool and theme location, I was good. Now if I can only figure out > how to get rid of the black space around the clock It will be even better. > [?] > > > <<330.gif>>___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: New GNOME Shell video on Youtube
Great video... little wordy but good show. I was just wondering, anyone seen any videos of how "BAD" gnome 3 is? With all the talk about how the lack of a menu makes gnome 3 broken... I'd love to see that video showing how inefficient it is to just type your selection -- which in my opinion was a great feature of Window 7 and KDE, glad to see it in gnome 3 -- Or anything for that matter. I'm just curious to see the flip side. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes
If you want to use it the way you used to Stay with F14. Why upgrade? Or use KDE, or one of the other options. or better yet switch to RHEL. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, JB wrote: > Mark Curtis writes: > > > > > > > > I really think that the new menu system is a prank.> Put brown bags > over your > > > heads and get over it > Fix it (see above how) and you will be lovely > and > > > "reliable" geeks again ... > > > JB > > > You don't want them to 'fix' it, as you haven't provided any > solutions.You > want > them to never change the UI, even though the world has changed since > GNOME 2.X > came out 9 years ago. > > Mark, > > go to my original post and re-read my description of what I found wrong as > a user. > Their new menu system is the old GNOME 2 menu system, hidden below > artificial > and unneeded Activities plus Windows and Applications menu items. > It did not contribute anything useful, only introduced difficulty with > managing windows and getting access to those hidden menus underneath them. > If we techies bark at something dysfunctional like that, what can we expect > from non technical business end users, who just want to do their task > easily > and the way they used to do it ? > > JB > > > ___________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > -- * G. Michael Carter* Contact: H: 1-519-940-8935 | W: 1-905-267-8494 | M: 1-519-215-1869 | F: 1-519-941-0009 Google Talk: xmpp:mikeycarter1...@gmail.com <http://livedvd.carterfamily.ca/><http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.9216&lon=-80.105&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF> ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Mark Curtis wrote: > So in summary it's "GNOME devs, you're never allowed to change anything. > Throw the shell out, pack it up and go home"? > Am I understanding correctly? > > Well said. I think the problem people are having is the Gnome 3.0... Should have been more of a Gnome is closing the doors and Gnome 2.x will be the last release. Now welcome to the new Gnome-Shell 1.0 Anyone seen Ubuntu's Unity? ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes
Just wanted to add my two cents for what it's worth. My first look at Gnome-Shell was I thought it was a piece of crap. Good for those who have never used a computer or have a touch screen but utterly useless to a tech like me who spends most of his time in several terminal windows. (The sometimes 5-10 second delay to bring up the overview page, after the systems been running for a few hours, didn't help... ) But then I realized Gnome 3.0 is more like Gnome-Shell 1.0. All the cool 3rd party stuff we've been using for Gnome 2.x just hasn't caught up yet. I dare say soon after (or maybe before) F15 release we're going to see a pile of extensions. With my user community I've got a split from the non-techical users. My mother told me, to tell you guys to stop mucking with what works and change it back. Where my wife says she loves it. She finds it much better than the clunky gnome 2.x With this in mind it might be helpful to be able to select the fallback screen as a default for those who just aren't ready to take the plunge. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome-shell crashing on startup
Two questions on this: 1. What controls the window decorations? mutter? 2. Can someone send me a pstree of a working gnome 3 (2.91.92-1.fc15 if possible) It's acting as the windows manager is crashing and restarting. I noticed the gnome shell and gnome session process id's are not changing so it's got to be something else crashing on me. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Gnome-shell crashing on startup
I updated to all the latest packages on F15 this morning and rebooted. Now the gnome-shell is repeatedly crashing (or I'm assuming so).I started with startx 1> start.log 2> start.err 3>start.oth but still don't have much clue as to why gnome-shell is crashing other than the gnome-shell.desktop failed to register before time out. How to I get more info on why it's crashing? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: No minimise/maximise (again)
I see this "Distraction free computing" come up about gnome 3. Watching a movie and you need to bring an application, having all applications disappear and show up as thumbnails on a separate screen seems very distracting to me. I have two montiors and one of my monitors goes blank (well with background) to bring up the activities screen. I'd find it "less" distracting if I could bring up applications via a short key without disrubting all the things I'm working on/monitoring or watching. If anything leave the second monitor alone. But that's just me... I've been using docky to work around this distraction. Much nicer to just have a little bar that appears at the bottom with your applications than taking over your entire desktop. Of course the fact it can take up to 15 seconds or longer to bring up the activities menu doesn't help. But it only happens on my Xeon quad cores oddly enough. Graphics and the Dell T100 and 840 just don't seem to get along. All other computers I have it's 1-2 seconds. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Tweak OpenGL Performance?
/0/400processor Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz /0/400/700memory 128KiB L1 cache /0/400/701memory 8MiB L2 cache /0/1000 memory 6GiB System Memory /0/100/1c/0/1/0 display RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] /0/100/1c/0/1/0.1 multimedia RV710/730 I'm running F15-rawhide (problems existed in F14 gnome-shell as well) What information is needed to diagnose the problem? Michael On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 15:20, G. Michael Carter > wrote: > > Any way to tweak the OpenGL performance? If I go to the activities menu > > after working for a while it can take a good 5 seconds (some times 10 > > seconds if I have a video playing or rdesktop open). > > This is not something that others are seeing so we're going to need a > *lot* more diagnostic information to figure out what is going on with > your hardware. > > > > In KDE I found if I used xrender vs OpenGL everything speed up quite a > bit. > > Wondered if there was something similar in Gnome 3? > > There is no xrender compositor. > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Tweak OpenGL Performance?
Any way to tweak the OpenGL performance? If I go to the activities menu after working for a while it can take a good 5 seconds (some times 10 seconds if I have a video playing or rdesktop open). In KDE I found if I used xrender vs OpenGL everything speed up quite a bit. Wondered if there was something similar in Gnome 3? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Where's the width of the title bar stored?
Most of the Gnome 3 I can live with, or work around with conky and docky. Since I used to use openbox so I can completely get rid of the bar, the 2.5x increase in the bar is really getting in my way. I'm assuming the dimensions of that bar must be stored somewhere can someone point me in the right direction? Michael ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
