Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

[Maciej Piechotka]

On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 11:41 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote:
> Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with
> gestures, but...
> 
> - AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high.
> Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the
> user doesn't slam into the very bottom.
> 

The message tray area is one mile high[1] ;) and it is separated by few
pixels from the button which itself may be small. Other case is the
close button on really big dialogs. If you go to the corner it is very
easy to trigger it by accident - at least I find it easy and I belive I
don't have mouse skills below the average.

[1] http://joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html

> - trouble seems to mostly arise when you have no status bar in the
> maximized window, because that's when your arrow button falls in the
> very corner.
> By default editors such as gedit or libreoffice writer (where the
> functionality of 1-line-height scrolling has more sense) actually do
> show a status bar, or in the case of libreoffice writer even have
> custom navigation widgets in that corner, above the status bar.
> 

Take the epiphany and long article then. I may check with what
applications but I do trigger notification bar "by accident" although
with lower and lower frequency.

> - When you _really, really_ don't want any chrome to show, ever, I
> think the correct behaviour would actually be to encourage fullscreen:
> tap F11, work as you want without seeing anything of the shell unless
> you willingly press the super key for overview or exit the fullscreen
> mode.
> 

I often have always on top enabled because I concurrently want to have
documentation and text editor/terminal/ide opened. I believe the
always-on-top being the killer feature of Linux WM - both my friends
(both technical/power users and non-technical/advanced-but-not-power
users) wish it was present on "other" operating systems.

Regards

PS. I'm not UI designer but don't we have a paradox - we hide
notification bay to save space then nearly 'require' to have status bar
to 'waste' it. I know we have to take care about both big screens as
well as netbooks but maybe on highier resolution, where the buttons are
relatively smaller, we may just not hide message tray? Just an idea
(from person with advantage of ignorance in UI design).



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Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

[Elia Cogodi]

Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with
gestures, but...

- AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high.
Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the
user doesn't slam into the very bottom.

- trouble seems to mostly arise when you have no status bar in the
maximized window, because that's when your arrow button falls in the
very corner.
By default editors such as gedit or libreoffice writer (where the
functionality of 1-line-height scrolling has more sense) actually do
show a status bar, or in the case of libreoffice writer even have
custom navigation widgets in that corner, above the status bar.

- Also, it's not like you can't reach the arrow button, if you really
need it... you just need a more careful positioning to use it. That's
the common case for users of Windows (where you have the task bar/
notification area) and Mac users (maximized windows aren't even a
common case, and the dock by default takes up quite a lot of bottom
screen space). Do Linux applications really rely that much on that
bottom right corner in a substantially different way, that it must be
slam-friendly when maximized?

- When you _really, really_ don't want any chrome to show, ever, I
think the correct behaviour would actually be to encourage fullscreen:
tap F11, work as you want without seeing anything of the shell unless
you willingly press the super key for overview or exit the fullscreen
mode.

I agree that the current jack-in.the-box behaviour of the message tray
is sometimes obnoxious. It's just that moving the hot corner to the
left doesn't solve the fundamental problem as soon as all four corners
have a function, which is something to hope for IMO.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Maciej Marcin Piechotka
 wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote:
>> After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag
>> it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling
>> gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that
>> great...
>
> Not everyone have mouse wheel (I use trackpoint so I don't have any
> mouse wheel, I can emulate it but I prefer to have middle button) or
> touchscreen. Dragging doesn't work in all software - particulary editors
> (gedit, libreoffice/openoffice writer etc.). Left click/middle click for
> long documents doesn't work if it is near the bottom as you run into the
> same problems.
>
> Regards
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Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

[Maciej Marcin Piechotka]

On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote:
> After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag
> it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling
> gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that
> great... 

Not everyone have mouse wheel (I use trackpoint so I don't have any
mouse wheel, I can emulate it but I prefer to have middle button) or
touchscreen. Dragging doesn't work in all software - particulary editors
(gedit, libreoffice/openoffice writer etc.). Left click/middle click for
long documents doesn't work if it is near the bottom as you run into the
same problems.

Regards


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Fwd: Instant Message notifications

[Elia Cogodi]

That sounds like a very temporary solution.
What happens if the lower-left corner is needed as an active corner as
well, say to open a files/history/places left overlay column?
Corners are precious targets, should the shell lose one to a button of
questionable importance, the placement of which depends on the toolkit
theming and the window content?
After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag
it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling
gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that
great...

What _is_ bad is the surprise/unexpected behaviour factor: the user
maximizes a window, slams the pointer to access the window UI and is
startled by the appearance of the tray. Geesh, I know about the tray
and it happens to me quite often...
The way I see it, there should be a small black, faded overlay in the
corner, where the count of unseen notifications goes, if any. Thus the
user wouldn't be surprised by the opening of the tray and wouldn't
slam the pointer to access any ui elements of a maximized window.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:36 AM, David Prieto  wrote:
> Koppányi,
>
>> this is a neat idea, but as before, i strongly suggest to move the whole
>> notification bar orientation to the left side of the screen, so that iw
>> ouldn't conflict with the scrollbars of fullscreen windows. the button to
>> scroll down is hard to hit already since it's so close to the hot-corner,
>> not to mention if it was overlayed by some graphics. the bottom-left corner
>> is unused in most of he application) in fact, i don't know any that use it),
>> so would be a perfect place.
>
> That makes a lot of sense. Would there be any downsides to placing
> notifications on the bottom-left corner?
>

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Re: Instant Message notifications

[David Prieto]

Koppányi,

this is a neat idea, but as before, i strongly suggest to move the whole
> notification bar orientation to the left side of the screen, so that iw
> ouldn't conflict with the scrollbars of fullscreen windows. the button to
> scroll down is hard to hit already since it's so close to the hot-corner,
> not to mention if it was overlayed by some graphics. the bottom-left corner
> is unused in most of he application) in fact, i don't know any that use it),
> so would be a perfect place.
>

That makes a lot of sense. Would there be any downsides to placing
notifications on the bottom-left corner?
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Koppányi Tamás]

this is a neat idea, but as before, i strongly suggest to move the whole
notification bar orientation to the left side of the screen, so that iw
ouldn't conflict with the scrollbars of fullscreen windows. the button to
scroll down is hard to hit already since it's so close to the hot-corner,
not to mention if it was overlayed by some graphics. the bottom-left corner
is unused in most of he application) in fact, i don't know any that use it),
so would be a perfect place.

On 5 May 2011 08:43, Elia Cogodi  wrote:

> What about a very small reminder in the bottom-right corner, a simple
> small number counter that tells me how many transient notifications
> were shown and hidden without interaction since the last time I opened
> the message tray? As soon as I open the message tray it's reset and
> disappears - until it's >0 again.
> That
> - doesn't sound too distracting to me
> - educates the new user on the fact that the bottom right corner is
> actually active and contains some information
> - tells me if I have to open the message tray when I am distracted
> from the system screen for reasons that that system itself can't know
> (I've turned to speak to a co-worker, instead of locking the screen)
>
> Of course, it only works with applications that actually use the
> notification system correctly, not with legacy tray notifications just
> changing their status icon... but those applications should be fixed
> anyway.
>
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Elia Cogodi]

What about a very small reminder in the bottom-right corner, a simple
small number counter that tells me how many transient notifications
were shown and hidden without interaction since the last time I opened
the message tray? As soon as I open the message tray it's reset and
disappears - until it's >0 again.
That
- doesn't sound too distracting to me
- educates the new user on the fact that the bottom right corner is
actually active and contains some information
- tells me if I have to open the message tray when I am distracted
from the system screen for reasons that that system itself can't know
(I've turned to speak to a co-worker, instead of locking the screen)

Of course, it only works with applications that actually use the
notification system correctly, not with legacy tray notifications just
changing their status icon... but those applications should be fixed
anyway.

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 07:40 +0200, Koppányi Tamás wrote:
>> i am also really hoping that developers wouldfix this. also it would
>> be great if there was better integration for empathy. right now the
>> notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable (only the icon,
>> not the text), and while the chat windows stay on the notification
>> bar, but they have no sign that there might be new messages. last time
>> i complained about this i got a reply that after being away from the
>> computer for some time, the notification bar comes up to show you if
>> there was something happening. while this is good, but since empathy
>> windows look all the same if there was something happening or if not,
>> i have to look through each icon manually (click them one by one,
>> since mouseover also doesn't show anything). now this is even a bigger
>> distraction, since because i'm affraid i'll miss some essages, i keep
>> checking the messaging windows constantly, instead of focusing on my
>> work.
>
> Right - we've been through this before, but this is a good way of
> looking at it. Like the others, I find that the current notification
> system does not work well for synchronous chat systems (IRC in my case)
> that are really important: obviously a lot of Fedora work goes through
> IRC so when someone pings me on IRC it really matters, but it's easy to
> miss a transient notification. I've developed a workflow workaround -
> every few minutes I either manually open the notification tray and look
> for the xchat bubble, or alt-tab to the xchat window - but as Koppanyi
> neatly points out, our having to do this is completely destroying the
> concept behind the transient notifications, and we're actually _more_
> distracted than we were before.
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Jesse Hutton]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 07:40 +0200, Koppányi Tamás wrote:
> > i am also really hoping that developers wouldfix this. also it would
> > be great if there was better integration for empathy. right now the
> > notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable (only the icon,
> > not the text), and while the chat windows stay on the notification
> > bar, but they have no sign that there might be new messages. last time
> > i complained about this i got a reply that after being away from the
> > computer for some time, the notification bar comes up to show you if
> > there was something happening. while this is good, but since empathy
> > windows look all the same if there was something happening or if not,
> > i have to look through each icon manually (click them one by one,
> > since mouseover also doesn't show anything). now this is even a bigger
> > distraction, since because i'm affraid i'll miss some essages, i keep
> > checking the messaging windows constantly, instead of focusing on my
> > work.
>
> Right - we've been through this before, but this is a good way of
> looking at it. Like the others, I find that the current notification
> system does not work well for synchronous chat systems (IRC in my case)
> that are really important: obviously a lot of Fedora work goes through
> IRC so when someone pings me on IRC it really matters, but it's easy to
> miss a transient notification. I've developed a workflow workaround -
> every few minutes I either manually open the notification tray and look
> for the xchat bubble, or alt-tab to the xchat window - but as Koppanyi
> neatly points out, our having to do this is completely destroying the
> concept behind the transient notifications, and we're actually _more_
> distracted than we were before.
> --
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> IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
> http://www.happyassassin.net


I agree that non-transient notifications have some very important use cases
that Gnome Shell should accommodate for. I don't know the details of the
current notification system, but one approach is to have different
notification levels, allowing for applications to have configurable policies
and for Gnome Shell to implement a UI solution that handles each in a
consistent way. Gnome Shell should be as distraction free as possible (and
desirable for a given user), but no more.

Jesse
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 07:40 +0200, Koppányi Tamás wrote:
> i am also really hoping that developers wouldfix this. also it would
> be great if there was better integration for empathy. right now the
> notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable (only the icon,
> not the text), and while the chat windows stay on the notification
> bar, but they have no sign that there might be new messages. last time
> i complained about this i got a reply that after being away from the
> computer for some time, the notification bar comes up to show you if
> there was something happening. while this is good, but since empathy
> windows look all the same if there was something happening or if not,
> i have to look through each icon manually (click them one by one,
> since mouseover also doesn't show anything). now this is even a bigger
> distraction, since because i'm affraid i'll miss some essages, i keep
> checking the messaging windows constantly, instead of focusing on my
> work.

Right - we've been through this before, but this is a good way of
looking at it. Like the others, I find that the current notification
system does not work well for synchronous chat systems (IRC in my case)
that are really important: obviously a lot of Fedora work goes through
IRC so when someone pings me on IRC it really matters, but it's easy to
miss a transient notification. I've developed a workflow workaround -
every few minutes I either manually open the notification tray and look
for the xchat bubble, or alt-tab to the xchat window - but as Koppanyi
neatly points out, our having to do this is completely destroying the
concept behind the transient notifications, and we're actually _more_
distracted than we were before.
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Jasper St. Pierre]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:11 AM, David Prieto wrote:
>
>> Jasper,
>>
>>
>> This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
>>> started about "GOA"
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html
>>>
>>
>> That's very, very interesting. One thing caught my eye, though:
>>
>> This daemon/library thing, let's call it GOA (Gnome Online Accounts),
>>> would _not_ be a mechanism to access any of these services. But it
>>> would provide e.g. libsocialweb, telepathy, e-d-s and so on with
>>> either the username/password combo or the OAuth token, whatever is
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>> Does that mean that in order to get, e.g. IM notifications, the user would
>> still have to open Empathy? Because not needing to keep it open was one of
>> the main points of my proposal.
>>
>>
> I believe the Idea that Jasper mentioned at the top of the thread is that
> Empathy disappears in favor of the shell.  So the thread above there is all
> about contacts and roster.  Once they start getting supported directly in
> the shell, you don't really need empathy anymore.
>
> The only thing that would be problematic is that a lot of people use pidgin
> for instance to get access to microsoft communicator and messaging..  or
> they use it for IRC/SILC.. in which case i'm not quite sure how other IM
> clients will be allowed to work with shell without some code surgery on the
> code base for pidgin to use new APIs.
>

Telepathy is based on independent moving parts that do the dirty work of
connecting to MSN, or to AIM, or to Google Talk. One of these parts is
"telepathy-haze" and hooks up libpurple to telepathy, which effectively
means that anything Pidgin can support is supposed in Telepathy.


> sri
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:11 AM, David Prieto  wrote:

> Jasper,
>
>
> This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
>> started about "GOA"
>>
>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html
>>
>
> That's very, very interesting. One thing caught my eye, though:
>
> This daemon/library thing, let's call it GOA (Gnome Online Accounts),
>> would _not_ be a mechanism to access any of these services. But it
>> would provide e.g. libsocialweb, telepathy, e-d-s and so on with
>> either the username/password combo or the OAuth token, whatever is
>> appropriate.
>>
>>
> Does that mean that in order to get, e.g. IM notifications, the user would
> still have to open Empathy? Because not needing to keep it open was one of
> the main points of my proposal.
>
>
I believe the Idea that Jasper mentioned at the top of the thread is that
Empathy disappears in favor of the shell.  So the thread above there is all
about contacts and roster.  Once they start getting supported directly in
the shell, you don't really need empathy anymore.

The only thing that would be problematic is that a lot of people use pidgin
for instance to get access to microsoft communicator and messaging..  or
they use it for IRC/SILC.. in which case i'm not quite sure how other IM
clients will be allowed to work with shell without some code surgery on the
code base for pidgin to use new APIs.

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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Philipp Mohrenweiser]

Hi folks,
i was also thinking about that messaging problem, e.g. for new email the
noticator in bottom right side is nice, if i look there here and then, but i
had the gmail notoifcation in the panel near the clock in 2.x so if i was
away from desktop and came back there was this and perhabs a green envelope
of the ubuntu messaging thing which also showed up for pidgin messages.

So since  this was cool but sometimes annoying and the new empathy beeing
nicer and gnome-shell beeing the nicest thing around i thought
why not have a extension or application providing a messages icon near the
clock again, which shows per default "!nothing!".
I could add in some settings dialog to have certain messages which come via
libnotify
* to be sticky e.g. mail or im from certain persons like your chef
* to make the icon blick (for even higher prio things)
* to add a bubble or thing with the message subject (for special email which
came in)
* to have an number there with unread thins which passed all filters
etc.

i think it would just be nice to define myself which things i want to be
instant notified.
cause in my workflow i have a lot of info comin in and not everything should
be allowed to disturb me!

Cheers Phil

2011/5/4 David Prieto 

> Jasper,
>
>
> This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
>> started about "GOA"
>>
>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html
>>
>
> That's very, very interesting. One thing caught my eye, though:
>
> This daemon/library thing, let's call it GOA (Gnome Online Accounts),
>> would _not_ be a mechanism to access any of these services. But it
>> would provide e.g. libsocialweb, telepathy, e-d-s and so on with
>> either the username/password combo or the OAuth token, whatever is
>> appropriate.
>>
>>
> Does that mean that in order to get, e.g. IM notifications, the user would
> still have to open Empathy? Because not needing to keep it open was one of
> the main points of my proposal.
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[David Prieto]

Jasper,

This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
> started about "GOA"
>
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html
>

That's very, very interesting. One thing caught my eye, though:

This daemon/library thing, let's call it GOA (Gnome Online Accounts),
> would _not_ be a mechanism to access any of these services. But it
> would provide e.g. libsocialweb, telepathy, e-d-s and so on with
> either the username/password combo or the OAuth token, whatever is
> appropriate.
>
>
Does that mean that in order to get, e.g. IM notifications, the user would
still have to open Empathy? Because not needing to keep it open was one of
the main points of my proposal.
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Allan E. Registos]

On Wednesday, 04 May, 2011 02:40 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that 
davidz started about "GOA"


http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html



Sounds good.

   "We'd probably also want it to work with "generic services", e.g. have"
   a way to add unbranded IMAP/SMTP/LDAP/iCAL/Jabber servers."


This will also support Zimbra's jabber.

Keep up the good work,
Regards,
Allan



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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Olav Vitters]

On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 02:56:01PM -0700, Micah Carrick wrote:
> Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I can
> enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation mark...
> something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of the design
> goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these distractions are
> critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always looking at the screen to

This was discussed recently. I forgot where, but the problem has been
acknowledged. Just figuring out a nice way to solve it (design) is
taking a while.

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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Koppányi Tamás]

these all sound very promising! any info on when this (3.2?) could make it
to the public?

On 4 May 2011 08:40, Jasper St. Pierre  wrote:

> This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
> started about "GOA"
>
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html
>
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Jasper St. Pierre]

This is indeed what we're trying to do... see the long thread that davidz
started about "GOA"

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-April/msg00107.html

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:29 AM, David Prieto  wrote:

> also it would be great if there was better integration for empathy. right
>> now the notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable
>>
>
>  This is a GTK+ bug which has been fixed. Additionally, we're trying to
>> have the Shell be more of a native client for Telepathy rather than a set of
>> hacks that were incorrect according to spec (observers technically shouldn't
>> send messages, etc.), but worked anyway.
>>
>
> Do you guys think this could maybe help with the notification icons
> problem?
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11tV7SE5VXoPe0UnkiEJrI-bO29Di-n6DwaljZJ_zaB0/edit?hl=es&authkey=CI2AgJUE#
>
> I'd like some feedback on that.
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[David Prieto]

>
> also it would be great if there was better integration for empathy. right
> now the notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable
>

This is a GTK+ bug which has been fixed. Additionally, we're trying to have
> the Shell be more of a native client for Telepathy rather than a set of
> hacks that were incorrect according to spec (observers technically shouldn't
> send messages, etc.), but worked anyway.
>

Do you guys think this could maybe help with the notification icons problem?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11tV7SE5VXoPe0UnkiEJrI-bO29Di-n6DwaljZJ_zaB0/edit?hl=es&authkey=CI2AgJUE#

I'd like some feedback on that.
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Koppányi Tamás]

This is a GTK+ bug which has been fixed. Additionally, we're trying to have
> the Shell be more of a native client for Telepathy rather than a set of
> hacks that were incorrect according to spec (observers technically shouldn't
> send messages, etc.), but worked anyway.
>

if there is a fix on the way, that's great news :) i've been using empathy
for quite a while, and it's simpler, but more attractive than pidgin.

Making the Shell play nicer with Telepathy can help everybody... we can ACK
> messages too! Additionally, I think we're going to try to implement the
> little starburst counter for Telepathy messages:
>
>
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/plain/mockups/static/notifications-summary.png
>
> I may see if I can get a starburst counter working tonight, after I'm done
> finishing up some other patches.
>

this starburst counter is brilliant! now if only it would hover, so i could
see it all the time, that would solve all my problems with notifications i
guess :)
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Jasper St. Pierre]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Koppányi Tamás  wrote:

> i am also really hoping that developers wouldfix this. also it would be
> great if there was better integration for empathy. right now the
> notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable (only the icon, not
> the text)


This is a GTK+ bug which has been fixed. Additionally, we're trying to have
the Shell be more of a native client for Telepathy rather than a set of
hacks that were incorrect according to spec (observers technically shouldn't
send messages, etc.), but worked anyway.


> and while the chat windows stay on the notification bar, but they have no
> sign that there might be new messages.
>

Making the Shell play nicer with Telepathy can help everybody... we can ACK
messages too! Additionally, I think we're going to try to implement the
little starburst counter for Telepathy messages:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/plain/mockups/static/notifications-summary.png

I may see if I can get a starburst counter working tonight, after I'm done
finishing up some other patches.


> last time i complained about this i got a reply that after being away from
> the computer for some time, the notification bar comes up to show you if
> there was something happening. while this is good, but since empathy windows
> look all the same if there was something happening or if not, i have to look
> through each icon manually (click them one by one, since mouseover also
> doesn't show anything). now this is even a bigger distraction, since because
> i'm affraid i'll miss some essages, i keep checking the messaging windows
> constantly, instead of focusing on my work.
> what i'd suggest, if you want to keep the notification bar, is that there
> could be an icon in the hot corner (and preferably move that hot corner to
> the botom left corner, so that it wouldn't interfere with the scrollbars of
> maximized windows), something like the plasmoid hot corner of kde (
> http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/a0/Kde_plasma.jpg), only smaller. it
> could have some blinking icon, or some exclamation mark, or whatever. there
> could be some nice animation that the pop-up messages on the bottom slide
> towards the hot corner, and merge with this icon.
> but on top of this, there should be some indication for the icons of the
> notification bar that there is something happening, a halo, a dot, or
> something.
>
>
> On 4 May 2011 00:39, Micah Carrick  wrote:
>
>> I actually love the idea of unobtrusive notifications, however, if I miss
>> get instant message from my boss that says our website is down, I need to
>> make sure I don't miss that message. I was hoping there was a setting to
>> allow messages from certain contexts (empathy) to remain visible until
>> dismissed.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Michal Orlik  wrote:
>>
>>>  It would be really nice if there will be some global notification in top
>>> panel (something like ubuntu's indicators). Sometimes I didn't see if
>>> someone wrote me and it's crucial sometime. Would be here some good soul to
>>> make some extension for this?
>>>
>>> Micah Carrick píše v Út 03. 05. 2011 v 14:56 -0700:
>>>
>>>  Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I
>>> can enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation
>>> mark... something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of the
>>> design goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these
>>> distractions are critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always looking
>>> at the screen to catch the very quick notification at the bottom of the
>>> screen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Koppányi Tamás]

i am also really hoping that developers wouldfix this. also it would be
great if there was better integration for empathy. right now the
notification bar icon of empathy is barely cliackable (only the icon, not
the text), and while the chat windows stay on the notification bar, but they
have no sign that there might be new messages. last time i complained about
this i got a reply that after being away from the computer for some time,
the notification bar comes up to show you if there was something happening.
while this is good, but since empathy windows look all the same if there was
something happening or if not, i have to look through each icon manually
(click them one by one, since mouseover also doesn't show anything). now
this is even a bigger distraction, since because i'm affraid i'll miss some
essages, i keep checking the messaging windows constantly, instead of
focusing on my work.
what i'd suggest, if you want to keep the notification bar, is that there
could be an icon in the hot corner (and preferably move that hot corner to
the botom left corner, so that it wouldn't interfere with the scrollbars of
maximized windows), something like the plasmoid hot corner of kde (
http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/a0/Kde_plasma.jpg), only smaller. it
could have some blinking icon, or some exclamation mark, or whatever. there
could be some nice animation that the pop-up messages on the bottom slide
towards the hot corner, and merge with this icon.
but on top of this, there should be some indication for the icons of the
notification bar that there is something happening, a halo, a dot, or
something.


On 4 May 2011 00:39, Micah Carrick  wrote:

> I actually love the idea of unobtrusive notifications, however, if I miss
> get instant message from my boss that says our website is down, I need to
> make sure I don't miss that message. I was hoping there was a setting to
> allow messages from certain contexts (empathy) to remain visible until
> dismissed.
>
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Michal Orlik  wrote:
>
>>  It would be really nice if there will be some global notification in top
>> panel (something like ubuntu's indicators). Sometimes I didn't see if
>> someone wrote me and it's crucial sometime. Would be here some good soul to
>> make some extension for this?
>>
>> Micah Carrick píše v Út 03. 05. 2011 v 14:56 -0700:
>>
>>  Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I can
>> enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation mark...
>> something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of the design
>> goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these distractions are
>> critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always looking at the screen to
>> catch the very quick notification at the bottom of the screen.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Micah Carrick]

I actually love the idea of unobtrusive notifications, however, if I miss
get instant message from my boss that says our website is down, I need to
make sure I don't miss that message. I was hoping there was a setting to
allow messages from certain contexts (empathy) to remain visible until
dismissed.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Michal Orlik  wrote:

>  It would be really nice if there will be some global notification in top
> panel (something like ubuntu's indicators). Sometimes I didn't see if
> someone wrote me and it's crucial sometime. Would be here some good soul to
> make some extension for this?
>
> Micah Carrick píše v Út 03. 05. 2011 v 14:56 -0700:
>
>  Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I can
> enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation mark...
> something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of the design
> goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these distractions are
> critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always looking at the screen to
> catch the very quick notification at the bottom of the screen.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Instant Message notifications

[Michal Orlik]

It would be really nice if there will be some global notification in top
panel (something like ubuntu's indicators). Sometimes I didn't see if
someone wrote me and it's crucial sometime. Would be here some good soul
to make some extension for this?

Micah Carrick píše v Út 03. 05. 2011 v 14:56 -0700:

> Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I
> can enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation
> mark... something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of
> the design goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these
> distractions are critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always
> looking at the screen to catch the very quick notification at the
> bottom of the screen.
> 
> 
> 
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Instant Message notifications

[Micah Carrick]

Not sure if this is gnome-shell or gnome3, but, I was wondering how I can
enable some sort of notification (eg blinking icon, red exlamation mark...
something) letting me know there are messages. I know one of the design
goals is reduce distractions, but, in my line of work these distractions are
critical. We communicate via IM and I'm not always looking at the screen to
catch the very quick notification at the bottom of the screen.



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