Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
Red Blade wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:37:08 -0700, Snit wrote: *plonk* ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:17, penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid said: scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a Interesting to learn that there are still user who do not use Noscript. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 8:25 PM, in article krt5na$o5b$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:15:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Corporations will gain more and more power - and governments will bow down to them more and more. The problem here is not government or corporations. It's individuals trusting organizations, corporation or nonprofit, free and nonfree, no matter what they do, who they associate with, or what kind of reputation they have. To some extent, true - but it would take a major level of organization to make any real difference. Maybe when things get so bad. Right now, at least in the US, there is such division between the parties and between the religious and non-religious (mostly Christian vs. atheist) that cooperation is not possible. (Again note I made a mistake, they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. should instead be I told them...) I figured that was what you meant. No harm. -- This doesn't mean our work is over; most GNU/Linux distros today contain nonfree software, and there are more things that we expect a system to do. -- Richard Stallman ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:15:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Corporations will gain more and more power - and governments will bow down to them more and more. The problem here is not government or corporations. It's individuals trusting organizations, corporation or nonprofit, free and nonfree, no matter what they do, who they associate with, or what kind of reputation they have. (Again note I made a mistake, they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. should instead be I told them...) -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:46:42 -0700, Snit wrote: Well, they can buy people's opinions and pretty much force votes. Just like how the Mainstream Media 1.0 tricked conservatives that only Wall Street Romney could beat Occupy Wall Street Obama, with even the ex- conservative, subliminally pro-Obama Fox News reporting mere exit polls as victories and claiming Romney would win in a landslide? What a joke. Blind trust of Fox News no matter how subliminally pro-Obama it continues to be, is just like blind trust of Google, Mozilla, Apple, etc no matter how pro-MAFIAA, pro-spook, or Microsoft-like they're acting. We all encourage their whoredom if you think about it, everyone needs to start looking around at the corruption they encourage and demand their rights and open-source values again. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 02:23:59 +, Red Blade wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:37:08 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/13/13 6:17 PM, in article krsu84$sef$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: Mozilla has abandoned its principles of privacy and security and open- source by hiding the option to customize Javascript. Unless you're willing to get into about:config, now you're victim of right-click blocking, increasingly clever pop-up ads, malicious tracking, and scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a non-profit whore-out. Thanks a lot, guys. Or you can install Developer Tools or, I am sure, any one of the dozen extensions that will give you the functionality back if you want it in easy access. With the way the tech industry is going, it's only a matter of time before all ideals of integrity, privacy rights, and free and open source software are completely gone. (Can less-popular addons like Adblock True and Adblock Edge keep up with rolling release?) Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Correction: *I* told *them* Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup, and they said... -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 02:23:59 + (UTC), Red Blade wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:37:08 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/13/13 6:17 PM, in article krsu84$sef$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: Mozilla has abandoned its principles of privacy and security and open- source by hiding the option to customize Javascript. Unless you're willing to get into about:config, now you're victim of right-click blocking, increasingly clever pop-up ads, malicious tracking, and scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a non-profit whore-out. Thanks a lot, guys. Or you can install Developer Tools or, I am sure, any one of the dozen extensions that will give you the functionality back if you want it in easy access. With the way the tech industry is going, it's only a matter of time before all ideals of integrity, privacy rights, and free and open source software are completely gone. (Can less-popular addons like Adblock True and Adblock Edge keep up with rolling release?) Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! This has been going on for years It's nothing new. It's just that the sheep have been poked with a stick and don't like it. -- flatfish+++ PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:40:06 -0700, Snit wrote: (Again note I made a mistake, they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. should instead be I told them...) I figured that was what you meant. No harm. And what's worse, *knowing* that everyone *still* religiously defends the Hollywood Mafia hard-coded into all HTML5 pages, because it will enable moving away from proprietary Flash/Silverlight to DRM-free open standards. Proprietary DRM you now UNCONDITIONALLY SUPPORT because the W3C does the EXACT SAME THING WHY YOU OPPOSED FLASH/SILVERLIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE? Doing the exact same thing twice and expecting different results - IT MAKES NO SENSE!! -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:11:42 -0700, Snit wrote: Fox is about as insanely anti-Obama and anti-science and anti-rights as any news organization can be. That is why their viewers are the least informed - thinking Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim, denying global warming, etc. They push those views and attract those with such views. No more. Kenyan-born stuff was settled after a charade with Donald Trump and Michele Bachmann just as the 2007 election season began, and hasn't been subject of discussion since, even though there have been much new developments and several unanswered questions (missing school records, identifying traits of Obama belonging to other people in IL and MA, the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). Same with global warming - as soon as the Koch brothers realized the profitability of carbon tax schemes, global warming is promoted by Fox and ClearChannel as scientific fact despite thousands of years of missing and scattered climate data. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
Red Blade wrote: Mozilla has abandoned its principles of privacy and security and open- source by hiding the option to customize Javascript. Unless you're willing to get into about:config, now you're victim of right-click blocking, increasingly clever pop-up ads, malicious tracking, and scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a non-profit whore-out. Thanks a lot, guys. Well Red Blade, you might be surprised to know all the conversations you have been having with snot and flatcake are with internet trolls supplied by companies like Burson-Marstelar and Eedelman on behalf of anti-Linux crocporations such as appile and microshaft. Burson-Marstelar alone has 100,000 employees. They lost about 5% of their lusers on their payroll last year, because their client companies are crap and can't afford to pay these trolls no more. Are you not pleased the trolls intercepted and managed your conversations before any legit real internet user did? That is how it is marketed to failed MBAs in big crocporations who pay for this crap. All funded through illegal charities in US so that funding routes cannot be traced. All those who attack Edward Snowden from the US are doing so illegally as pointed out by Snowden. They have no legal mandate from anyone. All their mandates are fake written out by trolls and fake signatures. What a surreal world the US has become in the face of internet stealing information from everyobdy they can, because they can. No self respect, no restraint, and no mandates either other than fake ones written out by trolls in government positions. Have you been tabbing lately? Microshaft tabbers -- http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 The story goes: While at Microsoft for a meeting, Misty Silver saw and overheard some employees on Reddit. She looked at one of the employee’s screens: “I noticed he was mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments, and he kept switching to other tabs to make posts and comments of his own. I couldn’t make out exactly what he was posting, but I presumed he was doing RM (reputation management) and asked my boss about it later. According to my boss, MS have[sic] just brought in a huge sweep of SMM managers to handle reputation management for the Xbox One,” Silver reported. “Reputation management” is the term social media marketers use to “pose as happy customers” on social media sites. They upvote/downvote and make comments. WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh dear!!! So now we know how trolls work. They sit there tabbing between different accounts and down voting innocent public members and their posts all day. Oh the terrible evil horribleness of it all. Pure crocporate evil in action. Instigated by failed MBAs who have no idea how to make decent product and win with users. So next time a microshaft tabber votes your posts down, you know it isn't your fault. These tabbers have so many accounts all opened at once and are frantically tabbing and down voting your free speech all day for money. Why don't all the social media companies regard suspicios voting as illegal, with threat of prosecution, and drop all the suspicious votes, whilst publicly indicating how many suspicious votes have been dropped, and restoring the true numbers for a bit of justice? That way we can all see suspicious activity as indicator of malicious voting in progress and which companies and their supporters might be doing it. If the microshaft tabbers don't do as they are told to do, a microshaft peechy personage will give them a good seeing to. So its not as if this problem will ever go away. Remember that. --- Is it worth listening to opinions of low pay trolls hired by 4th rate trolling companies any who? Not anymore me thinks! Trolling is an Industry in USA -- Hiring low pay online trolls is ignorant. Those hiring online trolls are too afraid to make a statement in person in case their bollocks got cut off and sold on ebay for 2 cents. Most US politicians and businesses are so corrupt and reliant to the point of addiction on trolls and trolling and so they fund it all illegally through charities because funding through charities is untraceable through loopholes in US law. Nearly all foul mouthed trolling across all of usenet and forums originates from the USA trolling industry. The same ones screaming abuse against Americans are the same ones screaming abuse at the rest of the world. The US politician is proud because without their daily dose of illegal funding through charities, and the services of industrial strength trolling machinery, they would be out flipping burgers for a living. Troll friendly usenet sites like eternal-september.org banned by att.net,
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 7:23 PM, in article krt23v$apv$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:37:08 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/13/13 6:17 PM, in article krsu84$sef$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: Mozilla has abandoned its principles of privacy and security and open- source by hiding the option to customize Javascript. Unless you're willing to get into about:config, now you're victim of right-click blocking, increasingly clever pop-up ads, malicious tracking, and scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a non-profit whore-out. Thanks a lot, guys. Or you can install Developer Tools or, I am sure, any one of the dozen extensions that will give you the functionality back if you want it in easy access. With the way the tech industry is going, it's only a matter of time before all ideals of integrity, privacy rights, and free and open source software are completely gone. (Can less-popular addons like Adblock True and Adblock Edge keep up with rolling release?) I think open source will stick around... but the herd-like group of open source advocates (a minority in the open source world) will continue to be proved wrong. Stallman and his followers will continue to insist that the restrictions they like (the control they want) is what makes thing most free and some will even say it has some sort of spiritual significance. It is a religion to them. Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Corporations will gain more and more power - and governments will bow down to them more and more. -- I find prostitution repulsive, therefore I think it should be illegal. - Brad Wiggins AKA cc AKA Bill Bateman ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 8:28 PM, in article 1eixcv3ynfrsy.aptwb8xhgm2@40tude.net, flatfish+++ phlatph...@yahoo.com wrote: ... I think open source will stick around... but the herd-like group of open source advocates (a minority in the open source world) will continue to be proved wrong. Stallman and his followers will continue to insist that the restrictions they like (the control they want) is what makes thing most free and some will even say it has some sort of spiritual significance. It is a religion to them. Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Corporations will gain more and more power - and governments will bow down to them more and more. Corporation = Government Do you honestly believe your vote counts as much as IBM's or Microsoft's or MSNBC's or. ? Well, they can buy people's opinions and pretty much force votes. It is insane. Free speech makes sense - completely. But money is *not* free speech - if it was then as a defense in a court case you could just pay the judge or jurors! The USA is NOT a democracy. It's a corporate oligarchy. Petty much. -- Blocking adolescents¹ access to porn, or keeping them ignorant of sex in any way, is likely to stunt their emotional growth and make them vulnerable to mistakes that can hurt them badly. -- Richard Stallman ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 8:58 PM, in article krt7lo$o5b$3...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:46:42 -0700, Snit wrote: Well, they can buy people's opinions and pretty much force votes. Just like how the Mainstream Media 1.0 tricked conservatives that only Wall Street Romney could beat Occupy Wall Street Obama, with even the ex- conservative, subliminally pro-Obama Fox News reporting mere exit polls as victories and claiming Romney would win in a landslide? What a joke. Fox... pro-Obama? LOL! I do not think so. Blind trust of Fox News no matter how subliminally pro-Obama it continues to be, is just like blind trust of Google, Mozilla, Apple, etc no matter how pro-MAFIAA, pro-spook, or Microsoft-like they're acting. We all encourage their whoredom if you think about it, everyone needs to start looking around at the corruption they encourage and demand their rights and open-source values again. Fox is about as insanely anti-Obama and anti-science and anti-rights as any news organization can be. That is why their viewers are the least informed - thinking Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim, denying global warming, etc. They push those views and attract those with such views. -- But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy. -- Linus Torvalds ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 9:04 PM, in article krt811$o5b$4...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:40:06 -0700, Snit wrote: (Again note I made a mistake, they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. should instead be I told them...) I figured that was what you meant. No harm. And what's worse, *knowing* that everyone *still* religiously defends the Hollywood Mafia hard-coded into all HTML5 pages, because it will enable moving away from proprietary Flash/Silverlight to DRM-free open standards. Proprietary DRM you now UNCONDITIONALLY SUPPORT because the W3C does the EXACT SAME THING WHY YOU OPPOSED FLASH/SILVERLIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE? Doing the exact same thing twice and expecting different results - IT MAKES NO SENSE!! What method would you suggest for companies and individuals to protect their property? For example, I produce video series I sell. How should I protect them in your view? -- Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what? Others feel that all sex is disgusting. -- Richard Stallman ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/13 9:21 PM, in article krt8vk$o5b$5...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:11:42 -0700, Snit wrote: Fox is about as insanely anti-Obama and anti-science and anti-rights as any news organization can be. That is why their viewers are the least informed - thinking Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim, denying global warming, etc. They push those views and attract those with such views. No more. Kenyan-born stuff was settled after a charade with Donald Trump and Michele Bachmann just as the 2007 election season began, and hasn't been subject of discussion since, even though there have been much new developments and several unanswered questions (missing school records, identifying traits of Obama belonging to other people in IL and MA, the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). Same with global warming - as soon as the Koch brothers realized the profitability of carbon tax schemes, global warming is promoted by Fox and ClearChannel as scientific fact despite thousands of years of missing and scattered climate data. Neil deGrasse Tyson - People often ask if I believe in global warming. I now just reply with the question: Do you believe in gravity? - Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. The evidence for man influencing global climate change is overwhelming. Obama is not a Muslim. If you cannot agree to these things we are not starting a conversation with a basis in well established and known facts. -- There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred. -- Linus Torvalds ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/13/2013 9:28 PM, flatfish+++ wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:15:24 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/13/13 7:23 PM, in article krt23v$apv$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:37:08 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/13/13 6:17 PM, in article krsu84$sef$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: Mozilla has abandoned its principles of privacy and security and open- source by hiding the option to customize Javascript. Unless you're willing to get into about:config, now you're victim of right-click blocking, increasingly clever pop-up ads, malicious tracking, and scripted malware. Firefox is no more secure than M$IE or NSA-Chrome now. Another tech industry whore-out falls like a domino, this time a non-profit whore-out. Thanks a lot, guys. Or you can install Developer Tools or, I am sure, any one of the dozen extensions that will give you the functionality back if you want it in easy access. With the way the tech industry is going, it's only a matter of time before all ideals of integrity, privacy rights, and free and open source software are completely gone. (Can less-popular addons like Adblock True and Adblock Edge keep up with rolling release?) I think open source will stick around... but the herd-like group of open source advocates (a minority in the open source world) will continue to be proved wrong. Stallman and his followers will continue to insist that the restrictions they like (the control they want) is what makes thing most free and some will even say it has some sort of spiritual significance. It is a religion to them. Through the years, I warned people on Usenet and IRC (especially Freenode) about NSA code in Linux and they told me Living Standard was a MAFIAA coup waiting to happen. They said You're crazy, it's impossible, You're paranoid, Don't use the Internet at all!, etc. Now look what their gullibility and blind trust of government spooks and multinational corporations got us! Corporations will gain more and more power - and governments will bow down to them more and more. Corporation = Government Do you honestly believe your vote counts as much as IBM's or Microsoft's or MSNBC's or. ? The USA is NOT a democracy. It's a corporate oligarchy. And there is even a shorter word for that... fascism. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:23:01 -0700, Snit wrote: What method would you suggest for companies and individuals to protect their property? For example, I produce video series I sell. How should I protect them in your view? Figure it out. Every other industry which does not depend on government regulation and trade agreements, fights to survive in a high-tech world, but artists are special. Note also that copyright as property didn't exist in the United States until Ayn Rand under influence from Spooner. In the Constitution, it is defined as a limited grant, and the Founding Fathers set it for 14 years. Note also that copyright falls under the federal constitution, while theft of actual physical is not a federal crime, it is a state crime. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 3:59 PM, in article krvagj$p0k$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). What matters is where the person was born - not where there parents were. Your claim was argued in Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party and failed. Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. What does that even mean? Heck, he is just as much or more a Christian sympathizer... I guess. -- Snit's so f*cking stupid he thinks the sigma lines are drawn based on distance from the mean, not area under the curve. - Brad Wiggins AKA cc AKA Bill Bateman Fact: the first sigma is defined by the distance from the mean to the inflection points. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 4:19 PM, in article udjihinn5to4.1kapr76vew0hm$.d...@40tude.net, flatfish+++ phlatph...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:59:31 + (UTC), Red Blade wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. Bingo And he and his wife hate America. Er? How so? He is a globalist who wants to drag the USA down to the same level as 3rd world countries so we are all the same. Um, what? Where did you get that from? The sooner he is out of office the better. Well, he has another several years assuming no disasters happen. And I think it is safe to say his work has been much, much better than his predecessors... even if he has made some bizarre and even harmful decisions. Does not help that the Republicans do all they can to block him at every turn even when he is supporting *their* initiatives. The Republicans are insane these days - they have let their party be taken over by extremists who have no hold on reality or common sense. I mean, really, look at Texas recently where the legislature which allows *guns* in the room decided tampons must be disallowed. That is insane. Period. So to speak. :) -- Dictionary definitions. How fitting! Mark: A person who is gullible and easy to take advantage of Bilk: To defraud, cheat, or swindle ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 4:06 PM, in article krvat1$p0k$2...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:23:01 -0700, Snit wrote: What method would you suggest for companies and individuals to protect their property? For example, I produce video series I sell. How should I protect them in your view? Figure it out. So you would be happy for me to use some DRM form to protect my work - after all, you have just said I should be the one to figure it out. Not you. Not anyone else. Me. So if I want to protect my copyrighted property with DRM that should be fine with you. Or shall you start to back pedal now? Every other industry which does not depend on government regulation and trade agreements, fights to survive in a high-tech world, but artists are special. Huh? How are artists special? What is special is the type of property which is easy to copy and distribute in ways which are unfair to the owners of that property. This is a different scenario than, say, a car or house or even a physical book - so the laws are different. Of course. Now I used the book as an example - even there you cannot copy it and sell it... assuming the work is protected. Even with open source, much of it has limits on how you can use it. It is not in the public domain. Note also that copyright as property didn't exist in the United States until Ayn Rand under influence from Spooner. In the Constitution, it is defined as a limited grant, and the Founding Fathers set it for 14 years. Note also that copyright falls under the federal constitution, while theft of actual physical is not a federal crime, it is a state crime. So? Really... I do not see the relevance. The question is about how I should protect my property... and you (in my mind correctly) acknowledged it should be my choice. And those choices include many DRM methods which are available to me. My choice. Choice is good. -- As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency. ... standard of decency or hygiene. -- Lusotec ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:54:11 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 4:19 PM, in article udjihinn5to4.1kapr76vew0hm$.d...@40tude.net, flatfish+++ phlatph...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:59:31 + (UTC), Red Blade wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. Bingo And he and his wife hate America. Er? How so? By their statements and actions. Obama goes to Europe and apologizes. Michelle states for the first time in her life she is proud to be an American. Huh? Come on already it's quite obvious. He is a globalist who wants to drag the USA down to the same level as 3rd world countries so we are all the same. Um, what? Where did you get that from? You need to take off the liberal rose colored glasses and look carefully at his actions. There are plenty of sites dissecting his words and actions. He doesn't want the US to remain a super power. He wants us all to toss our bombs in the water and everyone become friends, share and enjoy the one world nation. That's all well and fine however nations like China are building bombs and tactical weapons as fast as they can. He with the most powerful army and economy will remain the leader. Look at Reagan compared to Obama. Reagan was a strong president. Obama is a weak one who likes to blame others for his failures. Reagan inherited a mess and fixed it. Obama simply complains. BTW.. I didn't say anything about the Republicans. It's irrelevant. For the record I don't have any love for them either. They are helping Obama ruin the country, domestic policy wise. -- flatfish+++ PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:46:37 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 3:59 PM, in article krvagj$p0k$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). What matters is where the person was born - not where there parents were. Your claim was argued in Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party and failed. Obama's father was born in Kenya, and he was never an American citizen. Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. What does that even mean? Heck, he is just as much or more a Christian sympathizer... I guess. Absolutely not. Obama's foreign policy is not only consistently on the side of Muslims and Palestinians, and he has consistently supported overthrowing corrupt secular dictatorships and replacing them with extremely violent Muslim theocracy. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:49:10 +, Red Blade wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:51:25 -0700, Snit wrote: The question is about how I should protect my property... and you (in my mind correctly) acknowledged it should be my choice. And those choices include many DRM methods which are available to me. My choice. Choice is good. No, because the law forces us to accept your choice or become felons and serve heavy fines and jailtime (WIPO treaty/DMCA, etc). Otherwise, your malicious attempts to control your customers' private lives and use of private property in their private homes, you would be playing catch-up with your malicious products like you should. Or maybe we'd have a *REAL* choice - the choice to buy something from someone who sells your videos with your privacy-intrusive and property- destroying copy controls, subjecting you to the laws of a just and true free market where your video business will be forced to be non- destructive and non-intrusive in order to survive. typo: videos with your privacy-intrusive... should be videos without your privacy-intrusive... -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:51:25 -0700, Snit wrote: The question is about how I should protect my property... and you (in my mind correctly) acknowledged it should be my choice. And those choices include many DRM methods which are available to me. My choice. Choice is good. No, because the law forces us to accept your choice or become felons and serve heavy fines and jailtime (WIPO treaty/DMCA, etc). Otherwise, your malicious attempts to control your customers' private lives and use of private property in their private homes, you would be playing catch-up with your malicious products like you should. Or maybe we'd have a *REAL* choice - the choice to buy something from someone who sells your videos with your privacy-intrusive and property- destroying copy controls, subjecting you to the laws of a just and true free market where your video business will be forced to be non- destructive and non-intrusive in order to survive. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 5:38 PM, in article krvgaa$ebu$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:46:37 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 3:59 PM, in article krvagj$p0k$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). What matters is where the person was born - not where there parents were. Your claim was argued in Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party and failed. Obama's father was born in Kenya, and he was never an American citizen. Is this in contention? Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Muslim sympathizer and that's bad enough. What does that even mean? Heck, he is just as much or more a Christian sympathizer... I guess. Absolutely not. Obama's foreign policy is not only consistently on the side of Muslims and Palestinians, and he has consistently supported overthrowing corrupt secular dictatorships and replacing them with extremely violent Muslim theocracy. In your opinion. OK. -- Proof of Brad Wiggins AKA cc AKA Bill Bateman's lies and bad faith: http://goo.gl/a45Rm http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendMar2012Snit-vs-cc.png http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 5:49 PM, in article krvgu6$ebu$2...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:51:25 -0700, Snit wrote: The question is about how I should protect my property... and you (in my mind correctly) acknowledged it should be my choice. And those choices include many DRM methods which are available to me. My choice. Choice is good. No, because the law forces us to accept your choice or become felons and serve heavy fines and jailtime (WIPO treaty/DMCA, etc). Of course you do not get to use *my* property as *you* wish... you get to use my property as *I* wish (or as I license you to use it, really). Otherwise, your malicious attempts to control your customers' private lives and use of private property in their private homes, you would be playing catch-up with your malicious products like you should. How is it malicious to want to control my own property? I do not follow. Or maybe we'd have a *REAL* choice - the choice to buy something from someone who sells your videos with your privacy-intrusive and property- destroying copy controls, subjecting you to the laws of a just and true free market where your video business will be forced to be non- destructive and non-intrusive in order to survive. Who said I would do anything destructive or intrusive? I was talking about protecting my property. You changed the topic completely! -- But you used an untraceable burner phone which I could not call back to. -- Mark Bilk, showing he thinks people cannot call burner phones even if you have their number from Caller ID. Huh? How is that again, Bilk? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:29:54 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 5:38 PM, in article krvgaa$ebu$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:46:37 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 3:59 PM, in article krvagj$p0k$1...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:54:24 -0700, Snit wrote: Obama is an American born citizen, born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter. From my original post: Red Blade wrote: the Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that natural-born citizen required two American-born parents and the case was dismissed, etc). What matters is where the person was born - not where there parents were. Your claim was argued in Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party and failed. Obama's father was born in Kenya, and he was never an American citizen. Is this in contention? No, that's what the Supreme Court set in stone two centuries ago, and cowardly dismissed the case this century. Natural born citizen = two citizen parents. Obama's father was never an American citizen, and at the time of his birth he was a colonial-British citizen. -- Red Blade http://www.libertycolumns.com/ http://www.danq.co/ http://www.twitter.co/danqco/ ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Yet Another Tech Industry Whore-Out: Mozilla
On 7/14/13 6:33 PM, in article krvjgc$ikh$3...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:29:19 -0700, Snit wrote: On 7/14/13 5:49 PM, in article krvgu6$ebu$2...@dont-email.me, Red Blade penac...@yomomma.hot.invalid wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:51:25 -0700, Snit wrote: The question is about how I should protect my property... and you (in my mind correctly) acknowledged it should be my choice. And those choices include many DRM methods which are available to me. My choice. Choice is good. No, because the law forces us to accept your choice or become felons and serve heavy fines and jailtime (WIPO treaty/DMCA, etc). Of course you do not get to use *my* property as *you* wish... you get to use my property as *I* wish (or as I license you to use it, really). Otherwise, your malicious attempts to control your customers' private lives and use of private property in their private homes, you would be playing catch-up with your malicious products like you should. How is it malicious to want to control my own property? I do not follow. The question is who owns the product - the person who bought it themselves and keeps it in their home to use it any way they rightfully which, or your complete control over the consumer's life and use of the product in their private lives and homes? Your answer is fascism, which enables government-endorsed claims of super-property over actual property and privacy, allowing for complete dictatorship of individuals and their homes and property by the alleged super-property owner. Huh? To say I own my own property is fascism? No: it is capitalism. That is pretty much the definition of it! If I agree to let you use my car that does not mean you own it. If you buy a DVD with my training lessons and that purchase includes a license to use the material in a way protected by copyright, you do not have rights to *my* property outside of those (unless I grant them to you). You have no rights to my property which I do not agree to. None. Claiming that my protecting my rights - something you agreed at first was my choice to do so - is not a form of fascism (nothing authoritarian about it, nothing about any leader, nothing militaristic about it, nothing nationalistic about it... I do not think you know what the word even means!). You also say that a person protecting their own property is somehow showing control over others... well, sure, you have no right to my car, my house, my copyrighted material, or any other property unless I grant you such access or control. Why would you? And why would you think it was malicious of me to not want people using my house in ways I have not agreed to other using any property of mine in ways I have not agreed to? Perhaps you will be kind enough to explain why you should have rights to my property even if I have not agreed to the rights you are saying you have. By the way, if it matters: I have decided to *not* use any DRM system for my DVDs and even help people to make copies to their hard drive or backups to other DVDs or media. I do have a copyright notice that defines rights for people but I figure DRM is going to be more of a hassle for users than an actual protection for me and my property. But that is my *choice*. For future products I might make a different choice. Choice is good. Nothing fascist or malicious about having choices as to how to protect my own property. What an odd claim! -- Linux desktop is why I got into Linux in the first place. I mean, I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop. -- Linus Torvalds ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
