Re: [GNC] Plot Size on Piechart reports

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Geert,

I was beginning to understand this point as well. Not that it makes 
sense in any way. Why would a user choose to define an image along with 
its accompanying text box by pixel? Further: the setting is "Plot width" 
--and not "Width of pie and accompanying text box" or something equally 
dense but accurate. "Plot" to me means "the image portion of this report."


I won't even go into the odd ways that these reports get jammed into a 
multi column report, since I can't begin to understand what the various 
factor are there. Suffice to say the result is not predictable or expected.


Now that I understand the idiosyncrasy, I will let the matter drop. 
Maybe someday someone will investigate an improved method for rendering 
these reports


Thanks,

David T.

On 8/14/2019 6:44 PM, Geert Janssens wrote:

Your screenshot doesn't show this, but did you report also display a legend ?

I believe the legend and chart together are fitted into the dimensions you
set. If the text in the legend varies from report to report, that my explain
why the charts themselves vary as well.

Geert

Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 10:47:43 CEST schreef David T. via gnucash-user:

I'm pretty sure that this code isn't making sizing decisions based on
readability-- at least not in my experience.  It is perfectly happy to cram
huge amounts of data into tiny on screen areas... Percentages default to
100%, but remember previously stored values.



   On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 13:24, Adrien
Monteleone wrote:   I could see how more
actual slices (regardless of how many accounts were chosen) would maybe
trigger a larger size than a really small one specified for readability.
But still, that should be only a default behavior and should not override a
specified size.

I think yes, the percentage is based on the width of the ???printable??? area of
the report. (and it looks like the default is 100% or else it just
remembers what I used last)

Regards,
Adrien


On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:45 AM, David T.  wrote:

I will try using percentages, although why a percentage (based off what?
Window dimensions?) would be more reliable is beyond my ability to
comprehend.


As for number of slices, they all are set to the same value; it's just
that the number of matching accounts is limited.  Again, why that would
affect overall pie size goes beyond my comprehension.


David

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Re: [GNC] Get online quote for Canada Fund

[Kaman Wu]

After removing other source (added for testing and forget to remove), it
works now.   Thanks a lot.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:20 AM David T.  wrote:

> Note that adding the price source column to the security list will allow
> you to see at a glance which source all your stocks are using.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 8:17, David Reiser via gnucash-user
>  wrote:
> First, make sure that _none_ of your stocks are requesting quotes through
> yahoo. (yahoo_json is OK, though). It took me about 3 tries going through
> my stocks list to track down the straggling reference. Any stock whose
> online quote source is yahoo will cause the entire retrieval effort to fail.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Kaman Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,  I still need someone help me.
> >
> > I made changes of Cdnfundlibrary.pm.  Now when I run:
> >
> > perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v fundlibrary  8282
> >
> > I could get:
> >
> > PS C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin> perl .\gnc-fq-dump -v fundlibrary
> > 8282
> > Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
> >symbol: 8282<=== required
> >  date: 08/12/2019  <=== recommended
> >  currency: CAD  <=== required
> >  last: 14.91<=\
> >  nav:  <=== one of these
> >price:  <=/
> >  timezone:  <=== optional
> >
> > All fields returned by Finance::Quote for stock 8282
> >
> > stock  field  value
> > -  -  -
> > 8282currency: CAD
> > 8282date: 08/12/2019
> > 8282  isodate: 2019-08-12
> > 8282last: 14.91
> > 8282link:
> https://www.fundlibrary.com/MutualFunds/Detail/8282
> > 8282  method: fundlibrary
> > 8282  source: http://www.fundlibrary.com
> > 8282  success: 1
> > 8282  symbol: 8282
> >
> >
> > So the results looks correct to me.  BUT when I go to Tools->Price
> > Database, and clicked "Get Quotes" button, I still CANNOT get the
> results.
> >
> > How should I debug this problem?
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [GNC] How to use IRC on my new iMac ?

[David Carlson]

Frank and Deane,

I think that the page that Frank provided a link to [
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC ] is probably slightly overwhelming to
people who are not regular users of IRC, which, these days is most people,
since we have mostly migrated to SMS apps on cellphones.

First, choosing an IRC client can be overwhelming.  My favorite is Pidgin,
which runs on all three of the most common PC platforms, but Chatzilla and
Mibbitt are also commonly used.  Strangely, Pidgin is not listed except in
the general section of the [
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients]
but there is a link to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)]
Historically, EFF, when they used to rate various messaging apps for
security, they gave Pidgin high marks, but now they explain that messaging
apps are very complex and they have so much potential for security gaps
that they just don't rate them any more [
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/secure-messaging-more-secure-mess] .

Second, each client has it's own quirks which make them a little tricky for
a newbie to set up and use.  Fortunately, there is a lot of help available
on the internet for most of the clients, and
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC is a good start for that.  Just plan on
devoting some time to working through the learning curve.

David Carlson

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:09 PM Frank H. Ellenberger <
frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Deane,
>
> Am Do., 15. Aug. 2019 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Deane Yamane
> :
> >
> > I’m lost. Isn’t there a K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid version to use
> #gnucash on irc.gnome.org ?
>
> Is https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC not simple enough?
>
> Regards
> Frank
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Re: [GNC] How to use IRC on my new iMac ?

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi Deane,

Am Do., 15. Aug. 2019 um 00:12 Uhr schrieb Deane Yamane
:
>
> I’m lost. Isn’t there a K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid version to use #gnucash 
> on irc.gnome.org ?

Is https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC not simple enough?

Regards
Frank
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Re: [GNC] Fwd: Gnucash 3.6+ CRASHES ...

[Adrien Monteleone]

The Crash report didn’t come through. You could copy and paste the text 
directly into the message. Or file a bug about the crash and upload the crash 
report as a file.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Deane Yamane  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Deane K Yamane 
>> Subject: Gnucash 3.6+ CRASHES ...
>> Date: August 14, 2019 at 11:43:18 AM HST
>> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org List" 
>> 
>> On my new iMac, see crash report below. It happens everytime I use Gnucash. 
>> HELP!


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Re: [GNC] How to use IRC on my new iMac ?

[Adrien Monteleone]

You’ll need an IRC client. Then add your channel and register your Nickname. 
Exact process varies by client.


Regards,
Adrien.

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Deane Yamane  wrote:
> 
> I’m lost. Isn’t there a K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid version to use #gnucash 
> on irc.gnome.org ?

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[GNC] How to use IRC on my new iMac ?

[Deane Yamane]

I’m lost. Isn’t there a K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid version to use #gnucash 
on irc.gnome.org ?
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[David Cousens]

Dale,

There is a wiki page on the migration from Quicken
(https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration) and perhaps this is a more
appropriate place to document differences for new users coming from other
packages as hopefully this is where they will end up. Perhaps a note
referring to the wiki for those migrating from Quicken in the introductory
sections of the docs. Being a wiki this can be expanded by users themselves.
I think I remember seeing a paragraph somewhere in the docs which points out
that unlike many other accounting packages, GnuCash is register oriented
rather than journal or task oriented as the primary entry method. I found
that aspect particularly useful as an accounting student 10 or more years
ago as GnuCash more closely matched what appeared in T accounts in my text
books.

David Cousens



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[GNC] Fwd: Gnucash 3.6+ CRASHES ...

[Deane Yamane]

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Deane K Yamane 
> Subject: Gnucash 3.6+ CRASHES ...
> Date: August 14, 2019 at 11:43:18 AM HST
> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org List" 
> 
> On my new iMac, see crash report below. It happens everytime I use Gnucash. 
> HELP!
> 

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Re: [GNC] "Filter By..." defaults

[Adrien Monteleone]

GnuCash doesn’t require you to close. It is optional. If you need to provide a 
file for someone else to audit, you could save a copy at year end and give them 
that one. 

Of course, this is just personal preference.

As for the bug, this was discussed in the last year or so on this list. I 
thought it was filed, but see it has not been.

Please do so if you have the time or let us know here if not.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Mike stagl  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I am creating new books because in our organization a treasurer can
> only serve for two consecutive years.  Most treasurers only use a
> spreadsheet, I choose GnuCash.
> 
> The most my file will cover is two years.  I choose, for simplicity, to
> dedicate one file to each fiscal year.  This allows the "closing" of
> one year's books for auditing while the next fiscal year begins.
> 
> Perhaps there are better methods.  This is my method.
> 
> Mike
> 


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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Adrien Monteleone]

The OP was fairly light on details. (and gave a general “I don’t understand” 
but never said specifically ‘what’ they didn’t understand)

It seems a few people hazarded a guess and might have gotten it right. (we 
haven’t heard back from the OP yet since)

Another approach would be to tell someone, “Forget about any advice from 
elsewhere concerning ‘journal entries’ and just follow the Help & Guide with 
respect to entering your expenses. If you have specific questions trying to do 
that, let us know.”

If the OP started with the Help Manual (or only read that one) I can understand 
their frustration. It isn’t a “How do I do this” it is a “How does the program 
work from a technical perspective once I’ve already figured out what I need to 
do”. I’ve always thought of the Help Manual as more of an Appendix sort of 
reference in many respects and not an actual Help that most other apps include 
and that I’m certainly used to referencing. The Help manual doesn’t tell you 
how to keep track of your expenses. That is covered in the Guide. But the 
necessary Setup work and the technical step by step of entering transactions 
generically is covered in Help. I personally think this is a mess and I know 
there are strong opinions in favor of the present situation, but this list 
seems to bare out that it needs serious rethinking and re-ordering.

Now that I’m off that soap box, perhaps an approach to this type of question 
should more specifically be, “Read Chapter 2 ’The Basics’ of the Tutorial & 
Concepts Guide first to get a grasp on what needs to be done, then follow the 
‘Setting Up' from Chapter 5 and 'Entering Transactions' from Chapter 6 of the 
Help Manual. Let us know if you have any questions.”

The fact that someone needs to be directed *to get started* to Chapter 2 of one 
manual and Chapter 5 & 6 of another should illustrate the confusing nature of 
the current documentation organization.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
> 
> This does not really address the issue. Quickbooks, for example, is a
> double-entry accounting system. What is being provided by the user
> interface is an alternate method for entering transactions. (A perverse
> user could enter every transaction from the general journal screen in
> Quickbooks. )
> 
> The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal
> entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe Quicken
> is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is targeted at
> small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt to explain why a
> new user coming from Quicken might have a different notion of journal entry
> and not understand the responses he was getting from this list.
> 
> The question that remains is what should/could be provided in the
> documentation to help users transitioning from these double-entry
> accounting programs with a sophisticated user interface and a different
> approach to entering transactions to Gnucash.
> 
> Dale
> 
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:15 AM Liz  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400
>> Mike or Penny Novack  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT
>>> standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply
>>> saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The
>>> documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out
>>> that non-double entry isn't standard accounting.
>> 
>> Some type of writing that says
>>"Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry
>>accounting. You may have been using a package which works
>>differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend
>>that you read about double-entry accounting before you
>>start." (Links to suitable sites)
>> This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one
>> third the number of queries here which have started with a
>> misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program.
>> 
>> Liz


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Re: [GNC] "Filter By..." defaults

[Mike stagl]

Thanks.

I am creating new books because in our organization a treasurer can
only serve for two consecutive years.  Most treasurers only use a
spreadsheet, I choose GnuCash.

The most my file will cover is two years.  I choose, for simplicity, to
dedicate one file to each fiscal year.  This allows the "closing" of
one year's books for auditing while the next fiscal year begins.

Perhaps there are better methods.  This is my method.

Mike

On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 10:17 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
> HI,
> 
> On Wed, August 14, 2019 10:09 am, Mike stagl wrote:
> > GNUCash 3.4 on Debian 9
> > 
> > I am opening a new set of books for a new fiscal year.  Every time
> > I
> > review my budget, I constantly have to keep selecting View ->
> > Filter
> > By... -> Other -> Show Unused Accounts to display all accounts.
> > 
> > Is there a way to set this as default behavior?
> 
> I do not see anything in Edit -> Preferences that would set this.
> 
> But this begs the question: why are you creating a new set of books
> every
> fiscal year?
> 
> > If not, can this become a feature request?
> 
> You're welcome to file an RFE in bugzilla.
> 
> > Thanks to all the contributors,
> > 
> > Mike
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Re: [GNC] "Filter By..." defaults

[Derek Atkins]

HI,

On Wed, August 14, 2019 10:09 am, Mike stagl wrote:
> GNUCash 3.4 on Debian 9
>
> I am opening a new set of books for a new fiscal year.  Every time I
> review my budget, I constantly have to keep selecting View -> Filter
> By... -> Other -> Show Unused Accounts to display all accounts.
>
> Is there a way to set this as default behavior?

I do not see anything in Edit -> Preferences that would set this.

But this begs the question: why are you creating a new set of books every
fiscal year?

> If not, can this become a feature request?

You're welcome to file an RFE in bugzilla.

> Thanks to all the contributors,
>
> Mike

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[GNC] "Filter By..." defaults

[Mike stagl]

GNUCash 3.4 on Debian 9

I am opening a new set of books for a new fiscal year.  Every time I
review my budget, I constantly have to keep selecting View -> Filter
By... -> Other -> Show Unused Accounts to display all accounts.

Is there a way to set this as default behavior?

If not, can this become a feature request?

Thanks to all the contributors,

Mike
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Dale Alspach]

This does not really address the issue. Quickbooks, for example, is a
double-entry accounting system. What is being provided by the user
interface is an alternate method for entering transactions. (A perverse
user could enter every transaction from the general journal screen in
Quickbooks. )

The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal
entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe Quicken
is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is targeted at
small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt to explain why a
new user coming from Quicken might have a different notion of journal entry
and not understand the responses he was getting from this list.

The question that remains is what should/could be provided in the
documentation to help users transitioning from these double-entry
accounting programs with a sophisticated user interface and a different
approach to entering transactions to Gnucash.

Dale

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:15 AM Liz  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400
> Mike or Penny Novack  wrote:
>
> > If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT
> > standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply
> > saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The
> > documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out
> > that non-double entry isn't standard accounting.
>
> Some type of writing that says
> "Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry
> accounting. You may have been using a package which works
> differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend
> that you read about double-entry accounting before you
> start." (Links to suitable sites)
> This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one
> third the number of queries here which have started with a
> misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program.
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Plot Size on Piechart reports

[Geert Janssens]

Your screenshot doesn't show this, but did you report also display a legend ?

I believe the legend and chart together are fitted into the dimensions you 
set. If the text in the legend varies from report to report, that my explain 
why the charts themselves vary as well.

Geert

Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 10:47:43 CEST schreef David T. via gnucash-user:
> I'm pretty sure that this code isn't making sizing decisions based on
> readability-- at least not in my experience.  It is perfectly happy to cram
> huge amounts of data into tiny on screen areas... Percentages default to
> 100%, but remember previously stored values. 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 13:24, Adrien
> Monteleone wrote:   I could see how more
> actual slices (regardless of how many accounts were chosen) would maybe
> trigger a larger size than a really small one specified for readability.
> But still, that should be only a default behavior and should not override a
> specified size.
> 
> I think yes, the percentage is based on the width of the ‘printable’ area of
> the report. (and it looks like the default is 100% or else it just
> remembers what I used last)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:45 AM, David T.  wrote:
> > 
> > I will try using percentages, although why a percentage (based off what?
> > Window dimensions?) would be more reliable is beyond my ability to
> > comprehend.
> > 
> > 
> > As for number of slices, they all are set to the same value; it's just
> > that the number of matching accounts is limited.  Again, why that would
> > affect overall pie size goes beyond my comprehension.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> 
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Re: [GNC] Windows Report Options Dialog Setting

[Geert Janssens]

I agree. GnuCash should store the exact state of the windows it manages. If 
they are in "Maximized" state, that's what should be saved. Please file it as 
a bug.

Thanks!

Geert

Op maandag 12 augustus 2019 06:11:00 CEST schreef David T. via gnucash-user:
> Hello,
> 
> GnuCash 3.5 on Windows 10.
> 
> I have discovered a UI problem that I believe to be a bug. It appears
> that if a user maximizes the Options dialog for a report, and then saves
> the options by clicking OK, the maximized window size becomes the
> default options window size from that point forward. This newly-saved
> window has the added unfortunate behavior that the edges of this window
> are not resizable without first moving the window, so it appears to the
> user as if the new arrangement for this dialog is a permanent change.
> 
> This is confusing; I was prepared to ask the list how I should get back
> the options dialog as a window, but ultimately figured out the odd steps
> needed to reset the window dimensions.
> 
> I would expect that the original window size would remain in effect, and
> that the maximized toggle status would also remain in effect. In other
> words, if I reopen the options dialog, I would either expect to see the
> original dialog window dimensions *or* a maximized dialog window that
> allows me to toggle back to normal size.
> 
> Instead, some version of the maximized window size is saved as the new
> dialog size. I say "some size" because the options window that opens up
> on subsequent tries is not the full screen--and the maximize button
> opens the (previously maximized) dialog a little bit more.
> 
> As I said, I believe this behavior is a bug.
> 
> David T.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Scroll through tabs

[Liz]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:57:09 +0200
Catscrash  wrote:

> so, what was the result of your experiment? ;-)

Scrolling with mouse wheel does not happen.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] journal entries

[Liz]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400
Mike or Penny Novack  wrote:

> If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT
> standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply
> saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The
> documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out
> that non-double entry isn't standard accounting.

Some type of writing that says
"Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry
accounting. You may have been using a package which works
differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend
that you read about double-entry accounting before you
start." (Links to suitable sites)
This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one
third the number of queries here which have started with a
misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Unrealized gain/loss on Forex

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I believe that the "Unrealized Losses" entry on the Trial Balance report is 
calculated. You will need to create an account for it, as well as the 
transaction to account for the loss. 

HTH,
David 

 
 
  On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:40, Jayakumar 
Chakravarthy wrote:   Hi,


When I make an Invoice and receive money in a foreign currency and account
them in my home currency, where does the unrealized gain/loss go?


I observe an entry in Trial Balance having 'Unrealized Losses' with this
amount.  But where is that account?  How can I view it?

Thanks.


Jayakumar Chakravarthy
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Hi,


When I make an Invoice and receive money in a foreign currency and account
them in my home currency, where does the unrealized gain/loss go?


I observe an entry in Trial Balance having 'Unrealized Losses' with this
amount.  But where is that account?  How can I view it?

Thanks.


Jayakumar Chakravarthy
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