Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.9 Released

[Alan Hopkins]

   Absolutely agree with the others - to the developers: thank you! Merci!
   Thanks also to Murugan - for pointing out we can make donations to the
   development team via SourceForge.
   Here's the link from SourceForge for others who would like to
   contribute:
   [1]https://www.paypal.com/donate/?item_name=Donation+to+Gnucash&cmd=_do
   nations&business=paypal%40ihtfp.com
   Thanks again development team!
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 30/9/24 06:13, John Ralls wrote:

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 5.9, the tenth release in the sta
ble 5.x series.
Between 5.8 and 5.9, the following bugfixes were accomplished:
• Bug 724745 - Added new transaction during reconcile, didn't show up in
 reconcile window.
• Bug 797045 - Improve error reporting for bad credentials with MySQL ba
ckend ("bad or corrupt data" => "access denied")
• Bug 798568 - Transaction Copy/Paste problem
• Bug 799308 - sqlite backend: Example Python script prints error when c
reating new file.
• Bug 799370 - Transaction Journal view cursor placement after commit to
 transaction change.
• Bug 799384 - Reconciled date cannot be parsed.
• Bug 799389 - Crash when removing an account
• Bug 799391 - Transaction Cut/Paste doesn't move the transaction to the
 target account
• Bug 799395 - relative date offset quarters occasionally wrong
• Bug 799399 - Windows Keypad decimal locale error
• Bug 799416 - Post invoice: post to account dropdown listbox too small
• Bug 799419 - Intermittent quote price issue
The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:
• Add YH Finance (FINANCEAPI) API Key to Quotes infrastructure with a pr
eference in the Online Quotes page and add financeapi to known sources.
• Move copied_class and copied_leader_guid
Move static copied_class and static copied_leader_guid to be part of the copied_
item structure. This makes it more evident that calling clear_copied_item needs
to be called before copied_item is used.
• [gnc-datetime] improve CSV date parser with ICU and Boost.
• Add dateformat "Locale" with ICU; uses current locale for date
 parsing. ICU's locale date parser may parse "3 May 2023" or "2024年9月13日" (LC_TI
ME=zh_TW.utf8) and maybe others.
• Augment d-m-y m-d-y and y-m-d with boost UK/US/ISO parsers. Th
is allows CSV import of dates with months as words as "30 Sep 2023" or "May 4, 1
978" or "2023-Dec-25". Note boost parser cannot recognise 2-digit years, therefo
re "30 Sep 24" is invalid.
• Csv Import - improve assisant's introduction page
• Correctly handle uncommitted edits when opening a file from history.
• Don't use gnc_difftime and deprecate it because it casts time64 to dou
bles
• [gnc-pricedb.h] remove unused gnc_pricedb_substitute_commodity
• [gnc-pricedb.h] remove unused gnc_pricedb_lookup_at_time64
New and Updated Translations: Assamese, Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Tradition
al), Croatian, Dutch, English (United Kingdom), Hebrew, Hungarian, Macedonian, N
orwegian Bokmål, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish

Help translate GnuCash on Weblate: [2]https://hosted.weblate.org/engage/gnucash/

German AQBanking Users:
The AQBanking author is still working to get his updated PIN/TAN code finalized
so the Flatpak, macOS, and Windows bundles of this release contain the last stab
le version, 6.5.4. The GnuCash nightly builds have beta releases with the new im
plementation, so consider using one of those if the stable AQBanking doesn't wor
k for you.

Known Problems

Complete list of all open bugs: [3]https://bugs.gnucash.org/buglist.cgi?bug_seve
rity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_se
verity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=
NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&limit=0&list_id=8149&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&
query_format=advanced

Documentation

The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:
• Update github CI actions versions.
New and Updated Translations: German

Getting GnuCash for Windows and MacOS

GnuCash is provided for both Microsoft Windows 10® and later and MacOS 10.13 (Hi
gh Sierra)® and later in pre-built, all-in-one packages. An installer is provide
d for Microsoft Windows® while the MacOS® package is a disk image containing a d
rag-and-drop application bundle.

GnuCash is also available as a flatpak from Flathub.org. Instructions for instal
ling and running: [4]https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak

The SHA256 Hashes for the downloadable files are:

• 5be2e5364fc36464fc32c768e2ab460a630f74db6aeb7d44266e3dab98222fd0  gnucash-5.9.
tar.bz2
• 35375b2b1affe2a7e46becefb9e1205f432262c6ed0c7baa72f41b3b13f7235d  gnucash-5.9.
tar.gz
• 18882e68d445c32b7f06c58a55b6b81480cef4fdf6e159e8d628040357479b86  gnucash-5.9.
setup.exe
• ab56dc3d9e7e07ad5b3abd97e181070780d6

Re: [GNC] Backup Solution - Linux Desktop to Synology NAS

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi Dennis
   This is after the fact, but I use a program call SyncThing - it syncs
   my PC's (2 laptops, 1 desktop) which all run Linux and as well, there
   is third party SyncThing app for my Synology NAS.  Syncing is not
   really the same as backing-up but, as I have effectively have the same
   files on different drives, I feel happier about it but backup
   nevertheless. The beauty of it is that I can log on to any PC and have
   the same info (assuming they have all been on the LAN together).
   I don't, but I know people also use it with their phones.
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 27/9/24 12:59, Dennis West wrote:

 Hopefully this info will help someone that has been struggling with
 this issue...
 I recently abandoned Windows (after 40 years) and moved to Linux as
 my "Daily Driver".  I had used Synology's Active Backup for Business
 to backup my desktop PC's to my Synology NAS and was happy as a
 lark.  Trying to install the desktop client for that program on a
 Linux PC was problematic at best.  I finally gave up.
 After using other solutions for several weeks I stumbled on the fact
 that Synology had another program called Synology Drive that you
 could download from their website.  Lo and behold the desktop client
 came in a Linux version that downloaded and installed simply &
 flawlessly.  The client provides all the bells & whistles including
 scheduled automatic backup to your NAS. Obviously you could continue
 to use Hyper Backup to backup your NAS to the cloud and complete the
 3-2-1 backup strategy that I had been using.
 If everyone else here already knew all this, I'm sorry to have
 wasted your time.
 One Happy Camper
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Re: [GNC] Single or Double Line View

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi Nathan
   You can select view preferences via Edit, Preferences, Register
   Defaults - here you can switch off double line view.
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 18/9/24 03:32, Nathan Rosenthal wrote:

 I am getting the Double Line View most of the time when I open an
 account. I go to the View menu and uncheck Double Line but it
 doesn't "stick" - the next time I open that account it comes up
 Double Line.
 Is there a way to globally select Single or Double Line view?
 Nathan Rosenthal
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Re: [GNC] Heidi still can't Edit company name.

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi Heidi
   I use Linux so I'm not sure if your situation will be the same but if
   I go to File, Properties, Business I can change lots of Company details
   including the company name.
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 16/9/24 09:09, halatch1008 via gnucash-user wrote:

I keep asking the same question over & over. Going into FILES then prefernce the
n business,  does  NoT NOT give me option to Edit or Modify The company name !!!
!!Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: [GNC] Fwd: Fund management without an actual account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Daniel,

When I tracked my mortgages, I kept the balance in a liability account
and then charged the interest to an interest expense account. The
Escrow funds went into an Asset account tied to the property, and
expenses, such as taxes and insurance, were charged against the escrow
asset account when they came due. 

I don't see a need to track or report the offset mortgage piece - just
merely charge the interest that occurs on the statement to the account,
and the rest of your payment reduces the liability in that account. 

I'm in the US and not familiar with your style of offset. 

I think sub accounts in to a primary/real savings account would
accomplish what you want the best. If you know, in advance, for the
year, that you have gifts/tithes/payments, you can place them in a
liability account (that is, something that you owe) and that will
deduct from your networth, appropriately. Cash held in an asset account
will increase it. When you run the report, the assets less the
liabilities will be your equity / net worth. 

Alan

On Wed, 2024-08-07 at 16:07 +1200, Daniel Sheffield wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> In case you or anyone else is interested, here is a brief example of
> offset mortgage - it is not uncommon in NZ but not sure what it's
> called in other countries or if it's even a thing:
> 
> > An offset mortgage doesn’t affect the value of your savings.
> > Instead, your savings are deposited with the bank, and their value
> > is ‘offset’ against your mortgage balance. For example, if you have
> > a $500,000 mortgage and $20,000 in cash savings, you’ll only pay
> > interest on $480,000. You won’t earn in interest on the cash
> > savings as you usually would while it’s part of the offset
> > mortgage.
> > 
> 
> 
> Source: https://www.moneyhub.co.nz/offset-mortgages.html
> 
> As for the reporting issues using the asset/liability pairs, I guess
> technically the reports are accurate, but I have to keep remembering
> to deduct certain things - and that's when I start making mistakes or
> at least get really confused.
> 
> Equities nearly never show up in any reports, so are a nice hack. So
> my Equity/Liability pair method [1] so far seems to be one possible
> solution to my problem.
> I think (or hope) I'm not abusing equites going by the fact that my
> net worth appears to be what I would expect, but I could certainly be
> wrong about that.
> 
> I must admit I have avoided using Equities as much as possible
> because I am sure I don't fully understand how they are supposed to
> work.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel S
> --
> In the beginning Kibo created the Internet. Now the Internet was
> formless, and empty. Randomness was upon the face of computing, and
> the Spirit of ARPA moved upon the face of the computers. Then Kibo
> said, "Let there be data": and there was data. Kibo saw the data, and
> it was good, so Kibo divided the data from the randomness, and Kibo
> named the data Information, and the randomness Clueless. And the
> Information and the Clueless were the first Network.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 3:54 AM Alan Johnson 
> wrote:
> >  
> > I guess I don't understand what you mean by offset your mortgage. 
> > 
> > For the other things, things such as gifts and tithes, they would
> > go into a liability account against the expense category you choose
> > for them. When you pay / make the gift, you would transfer from
> > your assett account (checking, savings, etc) to the liability
> > account to zero it out. 
> > 
> > The assett (cash) and liability (gift, tithe, etc) would appear
> > opposite each other on reports. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Aug 6, 2024 03:20:24 Daniel Sheffield :
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks Alan, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I wonder about the roll up figure on the accounts tab - I have
> > > heaps of future transactions scheduled months in advance to help
> > > me forecast. 
> > > 
> > > But that means the account tab never reflects the current
> > > balance. So I can't use that to reconcile. 
> > > 
> > > Unless there is a setting somewhere to show up to today only on
> > > the accounts tab? 
> > > 
> > > I also wonder about obligatory fund (ie, promised gift,
> > > allowance) - the 2nd Tithe is a big deal for me, I view it as a
> > > liability because I can not spend it on just anything I like.
> > > It's essentially on loan to pay a bill in the future. 
> > > Most people stick it in an external account. I'm not doing that
> > > so that I can offset my mortga

Re: [GNC] Fwd: Fund management without an actual account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I guess I don't understand what you mean by offset your mortgage.

For the other things, things such as gifts and tithes, they would go into a 
liability account against the expense category you choose for them. When you 
pay / make the gift, you would transfer from your assett account (checking, 
savings, etc) to the liability account to zero it out.

The assett (cash) and liability (gift, tithe, etc) would appear opposite each 
other on reports.

Aug 6, 2024 03:20:24 Daniel Sheffield :

> Thanks Alan,
> 
> I wonder about the roll up figure on the accounts tab - I have heaps of 
> future transactions scheduled months in advance to help me forecast.
> But that means the account tab never reflects the current balance. So I can't 
> use that to reconcile.
> Unless there is a setting somewhere to show up to today only on the accounts 
> tab?
> 
> I also wonder about obligatory fund (ie, promised gift, allowance) - the 2nd 
> Tithe is a big deal for me, I view it as a liability because I can not spend 
> it on just anything I like. It's essentially on loan to pay a bill in the 
> future.
> Most people stick it in an external account. I'm not doing that so that I can 
> offset my mortgage. In a nut shell, I really can't have it factor into my net 
> worth because it's not my money.
> Sort of like if you paid without taxes withheld and will have to pay at the 
> end of the year. Every time you get paid, you're increasing your tax 
> liabilities.
> 
> The other funds, this notion is not so important, I can scrap the travel 
> money to pay the bills if I want - so your way could work for that... but if 
> I can find one way that works, that's even better.
> 
> But sub accounts on my checking account seems to be the prevailing view... 
> probably for a reason... perhaps I should try harder...
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel 
> 
> -- 
> In the beginning Kibo created the Internet. Now the Internet was formless, 
> and empty. Randomness was upon the face of computing, and the Spirit of ARPA 
> moved upon the face of the computers. Then Kibo said, "Let there be data": 
> and there was data. Kibo saw the data, and it was good, so Kibo divided the 
> data from the randomness, and Kibo named the data Information, and the 
> randomness Clueless. And the Information and the Clueless were the first 
> Network.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 5:24 PM Alan Johnson via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
>> Daniel,
>> 
>> I would suggest that you use the second savings account and it would help 
>> with the over spending.
>> 
>> I think it would look something like this, please forgive formatting as I'm 
>> on mobile, but you should get the idea.
>> 
>> Checking debit 10k / salary credit 10k
>> 
>> Credit checking 1k / debit savings2 1k
>> 
>> Credit savings2 500 / debit vacationfund [subaccount] 500
>> 
>> Credit savings2 500 / debit toyfund [subaccount] 500
>> 
>> Need money back in checking to spend?
>> 
>> Debit savings2 300 / credit vacationfund 100 credit toyfund 200
>> 
>> Credit savings2 300 / debit checking 300
>> 
>> Your roll up of savings 2 in the accounts list will tell you the amount 
>> which should match the savings statement. There should also, in theory, be a 
>> very few transactions to reconcile, and it keeps the checking account clean.
>> 
>> Alan
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[GNC] Fwd: Fund management without an actual account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Daniel,

I would suggest that you use the second savings account and it would help with 
the over spending.

I think it would look something like this, please forgive formatting as I'm on 
mobile, but you should get the idea.

Checking debit 10k / salary credit 10k

Credit checking 1k / debit savings2 1k

Credit savings2 500 / debit vacationfund [subaccount] 500

Credit savings2 500 / debit toyfund [subaccount] 500

Need money back in checking to spend?

Debit savings2 300 / credit vacationfund 100 credit toyfund 200

Credit savings2 300 / debit checking 300

Your roll up of savings 2 in the accounts list will tell you the amount which 
should match the savings statement. There should also, in theory, be a very few 
transactions to reconcile, and it keeps the checking account clean.

Alan
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Re: [GNC] Fund management without an actual account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I would suggest a sub account under your bank account, which will have the 
effect of reducing your available cash balance, so you don't spend it.

If you need to spend it, then you can transfer from assetts:savings:vacation to 
assetts:checking to spend it.

Also, you could open another savings account at your bank to save / lay away 
for things. While you would have a single account at the bank, sub accounts in 
gnucash could track this savings account easily, do to the few transactions it 
will have, and not confuse the bookkeeping in the checking account which will 
have more transactions. 

This would also report correctly in your various reports.
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash with charity restricted and unrestricted funds, advice wanted

[(Alan) David Smith]

Dear  Sir/Madam,

I am an FCCA in England and an ex PCC treasurer. The main point to bear in mind 
about funds is that they must be accounted for Separately. They do not have to 
be represented by separate bank accounts, but it may advisable in Certain 
cases. So one bank can share various funds. But the bookkeeping must be clear. 

Our church has used Financial co-ordinator software in recent years which is 
good for small and larger churches. It also clearly deals with Fund accounting 
and is easy to learn.

There is a charge - which I do not think is excessive and may be someone would 
be willing to donate the cost.

However I also use GNU Cash for my own books  and find it a good free program.

Regards,

David.

Ex PCC Treasurer  and current member of Finance committee.

On 25/05/2024, 21:13, "gnucash-user on behalf of Chris Green" 
 wrote:

I am the treasurer of a very small parish church council in the UK.

We have to present separate accounts for restricted and unrestricted
accounts, this is a legal requirement and also required by our diocese.

At the moment restricted funds are, basically, building funds and are
kept in an interest paying savings account.  The unrestricted funds
are kept in a bank current account.

My problem is that many donations to the restricted account (e.g.
donations that the donor has specifically said must be for repairs of
the church roof) go into the bank current account and have to be
transferred from there to the building society account.

For the last couple of years I have separate GnuCash data for the
current account and the building society account, this has worked
reasonably well.  However we are now moving into a period of getting
the roof repaired and much more money will have to move via the
current account.

So, how should I deal with this using GnuCash?  I can see that I could
separate accounts into two hierarchies (in a single database) -
restricted and unrestricted with expenses and income for each, etc. 
However is it then possible to present separate end of year statements
for them?  This would simplify incoming donations which are all to a
single bank account.

Or are there other strategies which work better for this sort of
situation?

I emphasise that this is a small church, annual income is only of the
order of £5000 and we have no full-time or paid employees.  So the
solution has to be simple and manageable by part-time,
non-professional people.

-- 
Chris Green
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Re: [GNC] Import matching

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Amazon doesn't split it into multiple invoices, but multiple payments per 
invoice. When you go into Amazon and go to Your Orders, click the *show 
invoice* link. At the bottom it will show you the payment break down (taxes, 
gift card, each CC payment made etc)

GNC will process this just fine. Just apply each CC payment to the appropriate 
open invoice.


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Re: [GNC] Import matching

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

For Amazon, your best bet is to use the vendor functions.
,
You can create the total invoice in GNC and then apply the payments to the 
invoice (which, on  orders with many items may be 3-4 payments).

Alternatively, you have to do janky things with placeholder transactions.

Apr 23, 2024 11:01:45 David Carlson :

> Gyle,
> 
> Please provide more information.  Not only have the import functions
> changed over recent releases, but there is more than one type.
> 
> Even without that information, I am sure that GnuCash cannot figure out how
> Amazon split one transaction into two.  You would have to manually check
> those and not expect a match.  My experience with matching in the OFX type
> has never been perfect and I plan on taking extra time to manually match or
> even just delete duplicates later for some transactions.  Results with some
> banks or credit cards are worse than others.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 4:06 PM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
>> Additional information.  Another credit card that can only import CSV, a
>> fast-food establishment submits information the day after the actual
>> transaction.  90% of the time it said there was no match, but on a few
>> occasions, it actually did match the transaction.  Import information in
>> preferences was not changed from the earlier submission.
>> 
>> BTW, it would be nice to have a reset to defaults on these preferences.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Gyle McCollam
>> 
>> Gyle McCollam
>> 
>> gmccol...@live.com   email
>> 
>> 
>> From: gnucash-user  on
>> behalf of Gyle McCollam 
>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 3:49 PM
>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
>> Subject: [GNC] Import matching
>> 
>> I tried importing credit card transactions.  There were 2 with no match
>> information.  Turns out Amazon split the order to 2 different
>> transactions.  I changed the transaction in the account to 1 of the amounts
>> and added a transaction for the other amount.  They were both dated
>> 02/09/2024.  The transactions on the credit card account were 02/13/2024.
>> When I tried double clicking on the transaction in the import window it
>> said there were not matching transactions.  I checked the preferences and
>> change the # of days to the attached information.  It still won't find
>> these transactions.  I tried closing GC and then opened and tried to import
>> them again, still no luck.  Obviously, I'm missing something, what am I
>> doing wrong?[cid:9657ec02-19b5-48f1-a2e9-0393f5c44ecf]
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Gyle McCollam
>> 
>> Gyle McCollam
>> 
>> gmccol...@live.com   email
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Re: [GNC] importing or pasting reports into spreadsheets

[Alan Hopkins]

Hi David
When you paste into Calc (I'll assume you are using Ctrl-v), you should get
an Import options screen pop up in which you can tick a box "Detect special
numbers (such as dates). I find this works for me (using different versions
of Linux on differing hardware)
I hope that helps!

Cheers
Hop

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024, 11:54 am David Carlson, 
wrote:

> I have found that I can select the text of reports directly in GnuCash,
> then paste it into a Libre Office Calc spreadsheet.  The problem then is
> that values are preceded with a dollar sign in the US and it seems that
> they are not currency numbers but some form of text, as numeric operators
> do not recognize them.  It also looks like dates are in some form of text
> as they have a format code "@" whatever that means.
>
> I am not very proficient with these format issues.  Does someone know of an
> elementary reference that is easier to understand than the spreadsheet help
> file?
>
> Just in case it makes a difference I am using GnuCash release 4.8 in
> Lubuntu 22.04 with a LXQT desktop.
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Re: [GNC] Bill total does not match real total

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I looked at the trial. The core they offer has a number of modules you
can use for free/self hosted/open source.  The accounting packages
require a subscription/paid service.  

On Mon, 2024-03-11 at 11:56 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I'm not sure if it is still entirely open source, but it started that
> way. I think they've added on features that are closed. (some may
> simply 
> be built with Odoo itself) The base package is still available as far
> as 
> I'm aware, and it is pretty powerful, but likely overkill for most
> small 
> businesses. They also don't make it easy to build it and get up and 
> running, preferring to 'guide' you to their paid support offerings.
> 
> Odoo is more of a tool to build an app, rather than a business app
> itself.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 3/11/24 10:33 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > Well ... if it is really "open software" they would have to make
> > the 
> > source code available for free (technically can charge reasonable
> > cost 
> > for a copy on medium -- the 'rule" was made before we got things by
> > download). The "open software" rules do NOT forbid charging for 
> > providing executables, support, etc. The originally concept was
> > that 
> > nobody could charge excessively for that or somebody else would
> > step in 
> > and provide at a more reasonable price. Yes, I am old enough to
> > have 
> > followed the original "open software" discussions real time.
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Re: [GNC] trying to use good gnucash billing in personal books

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

As others have said, you will want to talk to a CPA about how your
books are set up.  I'll share how I have mine set up. 

I also have a sole proprietorship/LLC with its own EIN. That entity has
its own set of books in GNUCash.  The LLC has its own bank accounts and
credit cards.  The preferred way of entering expenses is through the
vendor and customer interfaces.  As also mentioned, GNC doesn't really
do payroll, but you could set it up to enter the amounts.  I would set
up each employee as a vendor in GNC and then for each payroll copy the
values from your payroll service.  

For rentals, they also had their own account (under its EIN).  You
would receive the rents/other income into the biz account, pay the
bills out, and then take draws (against the equity account) when you
take funds out back to your personal accounts.  When you close the
books at the end of the year, you would close out to Retained Earnings.
 GNC would create a Profit and Loss, Balance Sheet, and Cash Flow
statement which your CPA would use to populate the Schedule C on your
personal return.  

On your personal books, you could represent the value of your SPP as an
Asset account (Assetts:MyOwnLLC) and adjust it's value to match the
equity amount on the balance sheet to reflect your net worth.  

Hope that helps.

On Sat, 2024-03-09 at 15:10 -0800, timothyscu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I started down the path of setting up accounts payable to hold the
> bills that my sole proprietorship sends to me which I then pay. I
> created a first bill, assigning the line items to various expense
> accounts in my personal books, which is where I want those line items
> to be allocated. I'm apparently running into a problem where GNU cash
> insists on having the complete business system set up before you can
> use any part of it. And then it seems to be set up assuming that the
> business accounts are all for the business and are completely
> separate from my personal accounts. I tried to put liabilities and
> accounts payable under my personal equity account and then tried to
> post my first bill to accounts payable but the gnucash wouldn't let
> me do that. It wouldn't let me choose any existing account it wanted
> me to create a new one. When I created a new account under accounts
> payable then the account type field was unavailable. I was not able
> to select any account type for the accounts payable subaccount. So
> I'm apparently trying to pervert the design that was intended by the
> authors of good gnucash.
>  
> My first dumb question as if I set up a separate set of books for my
> business to hold the accounts receivable for the business which will
> consist of its bills to me, that I don't see how I can assign the
> line items in that bill to accounts in my personal books which was
> the whole point of the exercise from my point of view.
>  
> I was hoping there was a way I could set up accounts payable that
> would hold bills inside my personal books with line items that
> referred to expense accounts in my personal books. Is there a way to
> do that and I'm I just not seeing it?
>  
> Tim
>  
> From: timothyscu...@yahoo.com  
> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 6:52 AM
> To: 'Alan Johnson' ; 'David Carlson'
> 
> Cc: 'gnucash-user' 
> Subject: RE: [GNC] split transaction description field length limit
>  
> Yes that's why I set up a sole proprietorship with employer ID so I
> can pay all the payroll taxes, deduct income tax and pay it to the
> government, pay unemployment, Worker's Comp. insurance etc. I agree
> with you that it's very important to do those things properly.
>  
> I'm using gnucash mostly for my personal books as opposed to the sole
> proprietorship books which are so simple that we’re doing them in a
> spreadsheet right now with the exception of the payroll software we
> use to try to make sure we get all the deductions right.
>  
> My sole proprietorship invoices me for the fully burdened cost of
> each month’s payroll and I reimburse it fully from my personal bank
> account into the sole proprietorship bank account. It sounds as
> though my solution will be to set up AR for my sole proprietorship
> and enter all of the line items into an invoice to myself personally.
> Up until now I'd been using a simple paper invoice.
>  
> Thank you so much for the suggestion.
>  
> Tim
>  
> From: Alan Johnson  
> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 11:01 AM
> To: timothyscu...@yahoo.com; 'David Carlson'
> 
> Cc: 'gnucash-user' 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] split transaction description field length limit
>  
> I use GNUCash for tracking rental properties as well. You can create
> as many expense accounts to track to whatever level

Re: [GNC] Bill total does not match real total

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I've looked at odoo, but haven't decided to pull the trigger on it. To
use the sales/accounting features you need to subscribe and I'm not
ready for that yet with my business needs. 


On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 13:58 -0500, Mark via gnucash-user wrote:
> Mar 10, 2024 11:01:45 Michael or Penny Novack
> :
> 
> > AFAIK no team in the open software world is trying to organize a
> > "business system" project.
> 
> There's Odoo ( https://www.odoo.com/ ). I haven't used it and don't
> know much about it. (I think someone on this list mentioned it awhile
> back.)
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Re: [GNC] Bill total does not match real total

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

It may not wholly be a GNC problem, but a vendor software problem.

Having entered numerous bills from Amazon and Costco recently, there have been 
a few cases where the sales tax did not match. This required an additional line 
item to adjust the sales tax to make the totals match.

Entering bills from some different places with different rates on the same 
bill, I gave up and entered it all with no tax and just added a line item at 
the end (I want able to discern which items were at which rate)

It would be a different problem if you were on the selling side and for 
whatever reason the state disagreed with your sales tax figures and thus what 
you owe them.

Alan

Mar 7, 2024 09:17:18 Michael or Penny Novack :

> On 3/6/2024 12:49 PM, Carl Linkletter via gnucash-user wrote:
>> OK, Found the bug.  The problem is that the tax is totaled up using 
>> sub-penny calculations. That causes a 1.004 + 1.004 to equal 2.008 which is 
>> then rounded to 2.01.  Each line should be rounded to the penny first, then 
>> rounded up.  So if 1.004 is first rounded to 1.00, then that would cause 
>> this calculation to total 2.00, not 2.01.
>> 
>> If that makes any sense :-)  Guess I will enter a bug on this.
> 
> Does NOT solve the problem (rounding to the penny first). It is simply the 
> case that rounded(A) + rounded(B) /= rounded(A+B).
> 
> You have given an example where 1.004 + 1.004 would give 2.00 if rounded 
> first and 2.01 if rounded after adding. But how about 1.004 +  1.004 + 1.004 
> which would give 3.00 if rounded before adding and 3.01 if rounded after.
> 
> The problem is actually because of using "reals" to represent decimal 
> quantities. Now MY working days were spend with machines whose architecture 
> directly supported expressing decimals in BCD (binary coded decimal). But the 
> fact that our current CPUs don't directly support BCD representation and 
> arithmetic does not mean couldn't emulate that in software (in our higher 
> level language). Most of us using c++ are doing that so we don't have to 
> "roll our own" << c++ is actually a "pre-processor" for c >> Somebody like me 
> COULD come up with a BCD arithmetic package and I assume existing developers 
> could also.
> 
> The point is that people like the late Admr. Grace Murray Hopper (WWII 
> cryptologist, designer of COBOL) understood that using reals to express 
> decimals would have this problem and so used BCD for money amounts. That's 
> because intended for business and business implies money amounts. THEN 
> machine were made with architecture to directly support it.
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
> PS --- BCD is essentially "integer" representation and math with the "display 
> amount" handling the editing to insert the decimal point. Now the only 
> arithmetic operation raising a rounding issue is division.
> 
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Re: [GNC] How to get a report in a format which is easy to edit?

[Alan Hopkins]

You just need CUPS-PDF installed as a print driver for producing pdf files.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 9:12 pm Alan Hopkins,  wrote:

> Glad to hear it
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm Chris Green,  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:01:36PM +1100, Alan Hopkins wrote:
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > Are you "printing to file" or are you doing something else? As Adrien
>> has
>> > pointed out, you have not really given us enough info to help you.
>> >
>> I tried various ways.
>>
>> >
>> > If you provide all info on the OS system & the version of GnuCash you
>> are
>> > using & steps you have taken, you might just find a GnuCash user on this
>> > list who can help you more directly.
>> >
>> It's xubuntu and I'm running GnuCash 4.8 and LibreOffice 7.3.7.2.
>>
>> However I have spotted my basic problem, opening a PDF file with
>> libreoffice opens it in lodraw and thus it *looks like* I have a PDF
>> with images.  I don't seem to be able to force libreoffice to open a
>> PDF in lowriter.
>>
>> I have managed a way round this now, pandoc will convert from HTML
>> directly to an loffice ODT file which gets me to the result I want, a
>> report I can edit reasonably easily in lowriter.
>>
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Re: [GNC] How to get a report in a format which is easy to edit?

[Alan Hopkins]

Glad to hear it

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm Chris Green,  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:01:36PM +1100, Alan Hopkins wrote:
> > Chris
> >
> > Are you "printing to file" or are you doing something else? As Adrien has
> > pointed out, you have not really given us enough info to help you.
> >
> I tried various ways.
>
> >
> > If you provide all info on the OS system & the version of GnuCash you are
> > using & steps you have taken, you might just find a GnuCash user on this
> > list who can help you more directly.
> >
> It's xubuntu and I'm running GnuCash 4.8 and LibreOffice 7.3.7.2.
>
> However I have spotted my basic problem, opening a PDF file with
> libreoffice opens it in lodraw and thus it *looks like* I have a PDF
> with images.  I don't seem to be able to force libreoffice to open a
> PDF in lowriter.
>
> I have managed a way round this now, pandoc will convert from HTML
> directly to an loffice ODT file which gets me to the result I want, a
> report I can edit reasonably easily in lowriter.
>
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Re: [GNC] How to get a report in a format which is easy to edit?

[Alan Hopkins]

As an afterthought Chris, check to see if you have Ghostscript installed -
it effectively provides a pdf printer (with editable files)

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 8:01 pm Alan Hopkins,  wrote:

> Chris
>
> Are you "printing to file" or are you doing something else? As Adrien has
> pointed out, you have not really given us enough info to help you.
>
> Most Linux systems I am aware of allow printing to file & selecting file
> type as pdf. I have not encountered a pdf from this method which couldn't
> be edited - try something like MasterPDFEditor - it was free for basic
> editing.
>
> As you are using Linux & libreoffice you can just export the HTML & import
> into Writer, adjust as required, then export to pdf.
>
> But, again as Adrien noted, you might achieve what you want via the Report
> Options pathway.
>
> If you provide all info on the OS system & the version of GnuCash you are
> using & steps you have taken, you might just find a GnuCash user on this
> list who can help you more directly.
>
> Cheers
>
> A.
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 6:58 pm Chris Green,  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 11:54:35PM -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> > Yes, those PDFs are indeed reasonably editable. Even LibreOffice can
>> > pull it off.
>> >
>> Which PDFs?  All the ones I have produced are images.  What's the
>> 'standard' route from a GnuCash report to PDF (on Linux, so
>> LibreOffice etc. are here by default).
>>
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Re: [GNC] How to get a report in a format which is easy to edit?

[Alan Hopkins]

Chris

Are you "printing to file" or are you doing something else? As Adrien has
pointed out, you have not really given us enough info to help you.

Most Linux systems I am aware of allow printing to file & selecting file
type as pdf. I have not encountered a pdf from this method which couldn't
be edited - try something like MasterPDFEditor - it was free for basic
editing.

As you are using Linux & libreoffice you can just export the HTML & import
into Writer, adjust as required, then export to pdf.

But, again as Adrien noted, you might achieve what you want via the Report
Options pathway.

If you provide all info on the OS system & the version of GnuCash you are
using & steps you have taken, you might just find a GnuCash user on this
list who can help you more directly.

Cheers

A.

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> On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 11:54:35PM -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > Yes, those PDFs are indeed reasonably editable. Even LibreOffice can
> > pull it off.
> >
> Which PDFs?  All the ones I have produced are images.  What's the
> 'standard' route from a GnuCash report to PDF (on Linux, so
> LibreOffice etc. are here by default).
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Re: [GNC] How to get a report in a format which is easy to edit?

[Alan Hopkins]

Chris

I support Adrien here - he is trying to assist you to get to the end-point
you want.

HTML reports can be imported into any decent word processing software. You
don't need to edit the HTML code.

And you can make financial reports look great using a spreadsheet - I've
been doing that for decades. Perhaps you might consider doing a short
course on using spreadsheets for layout?

Additionally, there are pdf editors out there that do a good job (some are
cross-platform) - my pdf's produced from GnuCash are all editable (I use
Linux) - not graphic images - maybe look for another driver/app to achieve
what you need? Years ago when using Windoze & the earliest versions of
Quickbooks which didn't print to pdf I used a free app - I think it was
called something like PDF24 creator - the pdfs produced by it were also
editable.

Anyway, keep trying & you'll find a suitable method to do what you want.

Cheers

Alan


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> On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 02:16:57PM -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > You can also select-all and copy/paste into a spreadsheet while viewing
> > any report.
> >
> You are a glutton for punishment!!!  Who on earth would try to make a
> report 'look nice' (which is what I'm trying to do) using a
> spreadsheet!??
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Re: [GNC] split transaction description field length limit

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I use GNUCash for tracking rental properties as well. You can create as
many expense accounts to track to whatever level of detail is needed.

For example, I have my structure set up as:
Expenses:
Overall R&M
-Property 1 R&M
--Property 1 HVAC
--Property1 General
--Property 1 Electrical
--etc

-Property 2 R&M
--Property 2 HVAC
--Property 2 General
--Property 2 Electrical
--etc

When you run a P&L at the end of the year, it will break out how much
was in each expense category, as well as a total for each property. 

Not a CPA or legal advice, but I understand that if you are paying
payroll to employees, you still need to pay payroll tax unless they are
their own business/1099, in which they should be paying their taxes
accordingly.  

You can assign as many line items and expense accounts/line items to
the invoices as you need. That's their intended function.  You can also
pay line items into an asset or liability account (such as witheld
taxes).  

Your handyman should provide you with a bill (or a work order).  

- Fixed property 1's toilet. 1 hr@ $x

You create a vendor in the vendor system (Handyman LLC)
Create an invoice 
Line item - Toilet repair $x Account: Expenses:Property1 R&M:Property1
Plumbing
Line Item - Outlet repair $y Account: Expenses:Property1 R&M:Property1
Electrical
Line Item - Door knob repair $z Account: Expenses: Property2 R&M:
Property2:General
Total $A
- Post invoice

Vendors -> Process Payment

Pay Handyman LLC $A from Assets:RentalCheckingAccount with check 1234 


On Mon, 2024-03-04 at 09:46 -0800, timothyscu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
>  
> I don't think I framed the problem completely. I have several rental
> properties and before I migrated to GNU cash I was using Quicken to
> generate “itemized spending” reports from which I could fill out
> schedule E for each property. When I tried to do the same thing with
> GNU cash for the transactions associated with, for example
> maintenance on property 1 or repairs on property 2 I did get a list
> of transactions but the descriptions of them were so truncated that
> it wasn't practical for me to verify the correctness of them the way
> I used to be able to do by just looking down the column of
> transactions.
>  
> I have a tiny sole proprietorship which runs a payroll to pay my
> part-time handyman and a part-time bookkeeper to avoid nanny tax and
> Worker's Comp. problems but my sole proprietorship's income is just
> reimbursements from me as an individual.
>  
> If I were to pervert the gnucash vendor bill payment system to detail
> the work my part-time employees do, would I be able to assign line
> items on an invoice to different GNU cash expense accounts associated
> with the different properties people worked on? And would reports
> generated by GNU cash be able to list the detail for the line items?
> That's my ultimate goal. I want to be able to generate reports from
> the gnucash for each calendar year, which also happens to be my tax
> year, so I can use that information to fill out schedule E for each
> rental property. I'm comfortable with doing that manually but I have
> been spoiled by having reports from Quicken that provide the detail
> associated with each expense account in a form that's easy to double
> check.
>  
> Thank you again for trying to help with my problem.
>  
> Tim
>  
> From: Alan Johnson  
> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 7:43 AM
> To: David Carlson 
> Cc: timothyscu...@yahoo.com; gnucash-user  u...@lists.gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] split transaction description field length limit
>  
> You don't have to have 'a business' to use the business features.
>  You would need to set up an AP and AR account to post the invoices
> to.  To me, the vendor bill - payment system is the proper way to
> store the data, rather than kludging the memo fields.  Here is an
> example of a Costco receipt entered as a bill, then paid with a
> credit card through the vendor-payments section.  
>  
> I think that this would be the best way to handle the handyman
> payments as requested and job tracking (create various expense
> accounts). It would also allow for multiple types of payments - e.g.
> check, credit card, cash all on the same bill if needed.  
>  
> On Sun, 2024-03-03 at 21:41 -0600, David Carlson wrote:
> > Whatever the actual character count limit is for the memo field in
> > a transaction line, I have found the practical limit is what can be
> > printed in reports that show that field.  On the computer screen
> > you cannot directly see anything that is after a linefeed character
> > unless you scroll past that character since the 'window' is one
> > line tall.
> >  

Re: [GNC] split transaction description field length limit

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I suggest you put your handyman in as a vendor. Then you can create a bill with 
long descriptions per item, and then pay the bill with a check. If you want to 
see what was paid, right click on the payment entry in the register and choose 
jump to invoice/bill. You can also run a vendor report.

Mar 3, 2024 18:39:49 Tim via gnucash-user :

> The descriptions that I enter in GNU cash for split items get truncated. Is
> there a way to change this or is this a hard limit?
> 
> 
> 
> To provide some context, I pay a handyman to work on various projects. When
> I write the check to pay him I split the amount among the various projects
> (which correspond to line items on his timesheet)that he worked on to
> allocated it to the different expense accounts associated with those
> projects. I like to enter a fairly long description which includes things
> like the date the work was done, the location, and a brief description of
> what was done but GNU cash truncates it when producing reports or when I go
> back and look at data that I entered earlier.
> 
> 
> 
> Should I be setting up an account for the handyman in which the line items
> of his timesheet would be entered as individual transactions which add up to
> the amount he gets paid? I get the impression that I'm probably trying to
> misuse GNU cash again as I was when I paid my credit card bills with long
> split transactions. I was able to fix that by entering the transactions in
> an account for the credit card and then having a single transaction from my
> bank account to pay off the credit card. I'm not adept enough at accounting,
> to put it mildly, to know if there's something analogous I should be doing
> in this case. Can you explain it in a way that a newbie would understand?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Trouble importing bills via csv

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

So, I was working on it and here was that worked as I was playing with
it. I'm using LibreOffice to edit the CSVs. 

Edit the filter on the "save as" dialog, then I set the field delimiter
and deleted the string delimiter and unchecked 'quote all text cells'. 

Then I was able to successfully able to import the bills.  

Alan

On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 19:10 -0500, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> I did read the manual, hence my usage of the quotes. I had done it
> before without.  
> 
> I'll make a video and send it out shortly. 
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Sun, 2024-02-25 at 10:02 +1000, David H wrote:
> > Alan,
> > 
> > Your file imports fine here after I add the vendor, create the
> > Accounts Payable liability, remove the header line and remove the
> > double quotes that you have plastered around every field for some
> > reason which probably causes the other errors.
> > 
> > It might pay to read up on Gnucash Bills Importing
> > at 
> > https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/busnss-imp-bills-invoices.html
> >  and the examples therein :-
> > 
> > You'll note a complete absence of double quotes in the following
> > example and no header line.
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Cheers David H.
> > 
> > 
> > Note on double quotes
> > If you use the field separator character within a field, the field
> > value should be enclosed in double quotes. Only for the fields
> > description (desc) and notes, can you also include a double quote
> > within a quoted field value, by doubling the double quote.
> > E.g. "This
> > field value uses the separator, and a ""quoted"" word", would be
> > imported as This field value uses the separator, and a "quoted"
> > word.
> > 
> > Example content for two bills; one of 2 entries, and one of 3
> > entries. The first is saved and posted, the second only saved.
> > Using
> > comma field separator, decimal point and dd/mm/ date format.
> > 1204;15/12/2018;2001;PO 210220;Special delivery;16/12/2018;Pride
> > and
> > Prejudice;pc;Expenses:Books;1;30.00X;;A1;17/12/2018;17/1/2019;L
> > ia
> > bilities:Accounts Payable;;X
> > 1204;15/12/2018;2001;PO 210220;Special
> > delivery;16/12/2018;Electronic
> > principles;pc;Expenses:Books;1;50.00X;;A1;17/12/2018;17/1/2019;
> > Li
> > abilities:Accounts Payable;;X
> > 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;Ultimate
> > Guide;pc;Expenses:Books;1;10.01;;;
> > 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;Dinner &
> > drinks;pc;Expenses:Dining;1;10.01;;;
> > 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;UG
> > course;pc;Expenses:Education;1;10.01;;;
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 at 04:09, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user
> >  wrote:
> > > I tried that with the same result. GNC says it ignored that line,
> > > and that's fine.
> > > 
> > > I'm concerned with the error messages indicating that the vendor
> > > and accounts don't exist. Have I input that data incorrectly?
> > > 
> > > Feb 24, 2024 13:00:20 Adrien Monteleone
> > > :
> > > 
> > > > Although you should be able to have header row(s), perhaps
> > > > remove
> > > it and try again.
> > > > 
> > > > The Documentation for this is worded oddly, but the samples
> > > provided don't show header info at all.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/busnss-imp-bills-invoices.html
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Adrien
> > > > 
> > > > On 2/24/24 10:15 AM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I'm having some issues importing a bill via CSV. I set up a
> > > trial run
> > > > > and I'm getting the below errors.  Vendor "05" does not
> > > exist,
> > > > > however that is the vendor ID for Amazon in my file.  It says
> > > account
> > > > > "Liabilities:Accounts Payable" does not exist (but it does).
> > > > > It
> > > says
> > > > > the Expense account also does not exist (but it does) and
> > > > > then
> > > it
> > > > > proceeds to ignore the line.
> > > > > How do I correct this for proper import? I've had the same
> > > > > issue
> > > on the
> > > > >

Re: [GNC] Trouble importing bills via csv

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I did read the manual, hence my usage of the quotes. I had done it
before without.  

I'll make a video and send it out shortly. 

Alan

On Sun, 2024-02-25 at 10:02 +1000, David H wrote:
> Alan,
> 
> Your file imports fine here after I add the vendor, create the
> Accounts Payable liability, remove the header line and remove the
> double quotes that you have plastered around every field for some
> reason which probably causes the other errors.
> 
> It might pay to read up on Gnucash Bills Importing
> at 
> https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/busnss-imp-bills-invoices.html
>  and the examples therein :-
> 
> You'll note a complete absence of double quotes in the following
> example and no header line.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> 
> Note on double quotes
> If you use the field separator character within a field, the field
> value should be enclosed in double quotes. Only for the fields
> description (desc) and notes, can you also include a double quote
> within a quoted field value, by doubling the double quote. E.g. "This
> field value uses the separator, and a ""quoted"" word", would be
> imported as This field value uses the separator, and a "quoted" word.
> 
> Example content for two bills; one of 2 entries, and one of 3
> entries. The first is saved and posted, the second only saved. Using
> comma field separator, decimal point and dd/mm/ date format.
> 1204;15/12/2018;2001;PO 210220;Special delivery;16/12/2018;Pride and
> Prejudice;pc;Expenses:Books;1;30.00X;;A1;17/12/2018;17/1/2019;Lia
> bilities:Accounts Payable;;X
> 1204;15/12/2018;2001;PO 210220;Special delivery;16/12/2018;Electronic
> principles;pc;Expenses:Books;1;50.00X;;A1;17/12/2018;17/1/2019;Li
> abilities:Accounts Payable;;X
> 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;Ultimate
> Guide;pc;Expenses:Books;1;10.01;;;
> 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;Dinner &
> drinks;pc;Expenses:Dining;1;10.01;;;
> 1205;15/12/2018;2044;PO 21099;;16/12/2018;UG
> course;pc;Expenses:Education;1;10.01;;;
> 
> 
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 at 04:09, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user
>  wrote:
> > I tried that with the same result. GNC says it ignored that line,
> > and that's fine.
> > 
> > I'm concerned with the error messages indicating that the vendor
> > and accounts don't exist. Have I input that data incorrectly?
> > 
> > Feb 24, 2024 13:00:20 Adrien Monteleone
> > :
> > 
> > > Although you should be able to have header row(s), perhaps remove
> > it and try again.
> > > 
> > > The Documentation for this is worded oddly, but the samples
> > provided don't show header info at all.
> > > 
> > >
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/busnss-imp-bills-invoices.html
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Adrien
> > > 
> > > On 2/24/24 10:15 AM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >> I'm having some issues importing a bill via CSV. I set up a
> > trial run
> > >> and I'm getting the below errors.  Vendor "05" does not
> > exist,
> > >> however that is the vendor ID for Amazon in my file.  It says
> > account
> > >> "Liabilities:Accounts Payable" does not exist (but it does). It
> > says
> > >> the Expense account also does not exist (but it does) and then
> > it
> > >> proceeds to ignore the line.
> > >> How do I correct this for proper import? I've had the same issue
> > on the
> > >> Customer invoice import side as well.
> > >> This is on Ubuntu with Flatpak 5.5
> > >> Here is the raw CSV import:
> > >>
> > "id";"date_opened";"owner_id";"billingid";"notes";"date";"desc";"ac
> > tion
> > >>
> > ";"account";"quantity";"price";"disc_type";"disc_how";"discount";"t
> > axab
> > >>
> > le";"taxincluded";"tax_table";"date_posted";"due_date";"account_pos
> > ted"
> > >> ;"memo_posted";"accu_splits"
> > >> "111-7425790-5888250";05/11/23;"05"05/11/23;"Low Profile
> > Fuse
> > >> Kit";;"Expenses:Auto:2016 Big
> > >>
> > Country:BigCountryMaintenance";1;12;;;05/11/23;05/11/23;"Liabil
> > itie
> &g

Re: [GNC] Trouble importing bills via csv

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I tried that with the same result. GNC says it ignored that line, and that's 
fine.

I'm concerned with the error messages indicating that the vendor and accounts 
don't exist. Have I input that data incorrectly?

Feb 24, 2024 13:00:20 Adrien Monteleone :

> Although you should be able to have header row(s), perhaps remove it and try 
> again.
> 
> The Documentation for this is worded oddly, but the samples provided don't 
> show header info at all.
> 
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/busnss-imp-bills-invoices.html
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 2/24/24 10:15 AM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'm having some issues importing a bill via CSV. I set up a trial run
>> and I'm getting the below errors.  Vendor "05" does not exist,
>> however that is the vendor ID for Amazon in my file.  It says account
>> "Liabilities:Accounts Payable" does not exist (but it does). It says
>> the Expense account also does not exist (but it does) and then it
>> proceeds to ignore the line.
>> How do I correct this for proper import? I've had the same issue on the
>> Customer invoice import side as well.
>> This is on Ubuntu with Flatpak 5.5
>> Here is the raw CSV import:
>> "id";"date_opened";"owner_id";"billingid";"notes";"date";"desc";"action
>> ";"account";"quantity";"price";"disc_type";"disc_how";"discount";"taxab
>> le";"taxincluded";"tax_table";"date_posted";"due_date";"account_posted"
>> ;"memo_posted";"accu_splits"
>> "111-7425790-5888250";05/11/23;"05"05/11/23;"Low Profile Fuse
>> Kit";;"Expenses:Auto:2016 Big
>> Country:BigCountryMaintenance";1;12;;;05/11/23;05/11/23;"Liabilitie
>> s:Accounts Payable";;"N"
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Re: [GNC] Start and End of Quarter Dates Incorrect - a Bug?

[Alan Hopkins]

   PS  Using start of accounting period to end of accounting period seems
   to work OK, so it just looks like the Quarter is out.  I haven't tried
   it, but if you have a whole lot of reports to do for the last Q, it
   might be easier to set the accounting period once in GNC Preferences so
   you can choose that quickly in Report Options - that way you only make
   one change rather than potentially many more

   On 11/2/24 16:15, Jay McSkimming wrote:

GnC 5.5
Mac OS Sonoma 14.2.1

Running a PNL for previous quarter, the report runs for incorrect dates namely s
tarting a month early and ending a month early.  Similar results for Cash Flow,
Income etc.

Seems to me that there’s a bug in calculating these dates correctly.  Runs corre
ctly if dates are manually entered but that defeats the purpose of the system va
riables.

I’ve set absolute dates for Start and End of Accounting Period as below as that
suits what I’m doing currently but makes no difference if it is the current FYE
30-6-2024.



When I run PNL report for previous quarter ie what should be 1/10/2023 to 31/12/
2023, the report is a month out ie a month early.











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Re: [GNC] Start and End of Quarter Dates Incorrect - a Bug?

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi Jay
   GNC 5.5 and PCLinuxOS here - the same thing occurs for me too.
   So I just use the to & from dates to set it right.  But it does appear
   to be a bug as it was working correctly before 5.5.
   I will check later (tomorrow) to see if my install on another machine
   running Fedora 38 does the same thing.
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 11/2/24 16:15, Jay McSkimming wrote:

GnC 5.5
Mac OS Sonoma 14.2.1

Running a PNL for previous quarter, the report runs for incorrect dates namely s
tarting a month early and ending a month early.  Similar results for Cash Flow,
Income etc.

Seems to me that there’s a bug in calculating these dates correctly.  Runs corre
ctly if dates are manually entered but that defeats the purpose of the system va
riables.

I’ve set absolute dates for Start and End of Accounting Period as below as that
suits what I’m doing currently but makes no difference if it is the current FYE
30-6-2024.



When I run PNL report for previous quarter ie what should be 1/10/2023 to 31/12/
2023, the report is a month out ie a month early.











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Re: [GNC] Change Printed Invoice

[Alan Hopkins]

Yep - it is as easy as John says. And I can clarify there is no issue in
Australia with having "Tax Invoice" on invoices below $1000. Go to the
supermarket or buy fuel and the machine docket will say Tax Invoice no
matter what you spend because it will indicate how much , if any, Goods &
Services Tax (GST) is included.
Lester - the information about your legal requirements with invoicing is
readily available - see
https://www.ato.gov.au/businesses-and-organisations/gst-excise-and-indirect-taxes/gst/tax-invoices#ato-Salesunder1000
Cheers.
Hop

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 5:29 am Glenn Fowler,  wrote:

> Thank you John, we learn new goodies everyday!
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 12:46 PM john  wrote:
>
> > Editing the code is unnecessary.
> >
> > After clicking the Print button you'll get an invoice report tab with the
> > invoice. Open report options and enter Tax Invoice in the Custom Title
> > field of the General tab, then click Apply or OK.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> > > On Feb 6, 2024, at 06:27, Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> > >
> > > You can edit invoice.scm and replace "Invoice" with "Tax Invoice". All
> > > invoices after will say "Tax Invoice".
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 2:42 AM Lester Bennett <
> lesterbenne...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Apparently Australian Tax Law requires an invoice over AU$1000 to be
> > >> titled Tax Invoice. How can I change the  default first line of a
> > >> printable invoice to read "Tax Invoice #"?
> > >> At present I save to a pdf then edit it with a pdf editor but it would
> > >> be simpler to have it read correctly from the start.
> > >>
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[GNC] Issues importing transactions (not matching)

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I'm attempting to import transactions from a credit card QFX file /
Quicken format.  


I have the pre-entered transaction as 'LEGO' in the amount of 45.14. 
The imported transaction is "LEGO Enfeild CT" in the amount of 45.14. 

Gnucash thinks these are not the same - and there are a number of other
transactions that are the same way.  How can I manually match these? or
adjust it so they match?

Thanks,

Alan


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Re: [GNC] No such file or directory error finding libgnc-expressions-guile.so

[Alan Hopkins]

   Glad it worked John!
   Enjoy!!

   On 26/1/24 12:26, John Haiducek wrote:

   Thanks Alan, that did the trick. I had previously tried "dnf reinstall"
   and that didn't fix it, but per your suggestion I uninstalled gnucash
   and then reinstalled using dnf and now it's working again.

   On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 5:36 PM Alan Hopkins <[1]hopp...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   I am using GnuCash on Fed38 too. I seem to remember when I installed it
   via the Software Centre it didn't install properly (ie some
   dependencies were missing) so I uninstalled, updated all and
   reinstalled via CLI and it runs like a dream. Maybe do what I did? Hope
   that is of some help
   Cheers
   Hop

   On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, 4:49 am John Haiducek, <[2]jhaid...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 I upgraded a bunch of packages using the PackageKit GUI and offline
 update,
 and gnucash was one of them. Software Center indicated that the
 system was
 fully updated afterward.
 On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:46 AM Derek Atkins <[3]de...@ihtfp.com>
 wrote:
 > Correct, it would say something like that.
 > Now, it could be that there is a sub-library missing.  I.e. this
 library
 > looks for libfoo.so (which it finds), but libfoo.so depends on
 libbar.so,
 > and THAT is missing.  ldd would not show that.
 >
 > So, question for you:  did you do a full system update, or did you
 JUST
 > update the gnucash packages?  I only ask because I am running F38
 and I
 > have GnuCash 5.5 running just fine.
 >
 > -derek
 >
 > On Thu, January 25, 2024 11:33 am, John Haiducek wrote:
 > > Here's the output from ldd. IIRC, missing dependencies would
 show up here
 > > as something like "=> Not found". It looks like everything here
 points to
 > > a
 > > specific file.
 > >
 > > $ ldd /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-expressions-guile.so
 > > linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffe3cf5a000)
 > > libgnc-expressions.so =>
 /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-expressions.so
 > > (0x7ff5df86a000)
 > > libguile-3.0.so.1 => /lib64/libguile-3.0.so.1
 (0x7ff5df6e3000)
 > > libgnc-engine.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-engine.so
 > > (0x7ff5df20)
 > > libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5df59a000)
 > > libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7ff5df022000)
 > > libgnucash-guile.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnucash-guile.so
 > > (0x7ff5def0a000)
 > > libgnc-app-utils.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-app-utils.so
 > > (0x7ff5df504000)
 > > libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
 (0x7ff5deeaa000)
 > > libgnc-core-utils.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-core-utils.so
 > > (0x7ff5dee6e000)
 > > libgc.so.1 => /lib64/libgc.so.1 (0x7ff5ded2c000)
 > > libffi.so.8 => /lib64/libffi.so.8 (0x7ff5df4f8000)
 > > libunistring.so.2 => /lib64/libunistring.so.2
 (0x7ff5deb7e000)
 > > libgmp.so.10 => /lib64/libgmp.so.10 (0x7ff5dead9000)
 > > libcrypt.so.2 => /lib64/libcrypt.so.2 (0x7ff5deaa)
 > > libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x7ff5de9bf000)
 > > /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7ff5df88a000)
 > > libicui18n.so.72 => /lib64/libicui18n.so.72 (0x7ff5de60)
 > > libicuuc.so.72 => /lib64/libicuuc.so.72 (0x7ff5de20)
 > > libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgmodule-2.0.so.0
 (0x7ff5df4ed000)
 > > libstdc++.so.6 => /lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x7ff5dde0)
 > > libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7ff5de99b000)
 > > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /lib64/libpcre2-8.so.0 (0x7ff5de566000)
 > > libgio-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5ddc2d000)
 > > libboost_filesystem.so.1.78.0 =>
 /lib64/libboost_filesystem.so.1.78.0
 > > (0x7ff5de979000)
 > > libboost_locale.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_locale.so.1.78.0
 > > (0x7ff5de4c4000)
 > > libicudata.so.72 => /lib64/libicudata.so.72 (0x7ff5dbe0)
 > > libz.so.1 => /lib64/libz.so.1 (0x7ff5de95f000)
 > > libmount.so.1 => /lib64/libmount.so.1 (0x7ff5de47e000)
 > > libselinux.so.1 => /lib64/libselinux.so.1 (0x7ff5de451000)
 > > libboost_atomic.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_atomic.so.1.78.0
 > > (0x7ff5de955000)
 > > libboost_system.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_system.so.1.78.0
 > > (0x7ff5de95)
 > > libboost_thread.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_thread.so.1.78.

Re: [GNC] No such file or directory error finding libgnc-expressions-guile.so

[Alan Hopkins]

I am using GnuCash on Fed38 too. I seem to remember when I installed it via
the Software Centre it didn't install properly (ie some dependencies were
missing) so I uninstalled, updated all and reinstalled via CLI and it runs
like a dream. Maybe do what I did? Hope that is of some help
Cheers
Hop

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, 4:49 am John Haiducek,  wrote:

> I upgraded a bunch of packages using the PackageKit GUI and offline update,
> and gnucash was one of them. Software Center indicated that the system was
> fully updated afterward.
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:46 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
> > Correct, it would say something like that.
> > Now, it could be that there is a sub-library missing.  I.e. this library
> > looks for libfoo.so (which it finds), but libfoo.so depends on libbar.so,
> > and THAT is missing.  ldd would not show that.
> >
> > So, question for you:  did you do a full system update, or did you JUST
> > update the gnucash packages?  I only ask because I am running F38 and I
> > have GnuCash 5.5 running just fine.
> >
> > -derek
> >
> > On Thu, January 25, 2024 11:33 am, John Haiducek wrote:
> > > Here's the output from ldd. IIRC, missing dependencies would show up
> here
> > > as something like "=> Not found". It looks like everything here points
> to
> > > a
> > > specific file.
> > >
> > > $ ldd /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-expressions-guile.so
> > > linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffe3cf5a000)
> > > libgnc-expressions.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-expressions.so
> > > (0x7ff5df86a000)
> > > libguile-3.0.so.1 => /lib64/libguile-3.0.so.1 (0x7ff5df6e3000)
> > > libgnc-engine.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-engine.so
> > > (0x7ff5df20)
> > > libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5df59a000)
> > > libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7ff5df022000)
> > > libgnucash-guile.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnucash-guile.so
> > > (0x7ff5def0a000)
> > > libgnc-app-utils.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-app-utils.so
> > > (0x7ff5df504000)
> > > libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5deeaa000)
> > > libgnc-core-utils.so => /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-core-utils.so
> > > (0x7ff5dee6e000)
> > > libgc.so.1 => /lib64/libgc.so.1 (0x7ff5ded2c000)
> > > libffi.so.8 => /lib64/libffi.so.8 (0x7ff5df4f8000)
> > > libunistring.so.2 => /lib64/libunistring.so.2 (0x7ff5deb7e000)
> > > libgmp.so.10 => /lib64/libgmp.so.10 (0x7ff5dead9000)
> > > libcrypt.so.2 => /lib64/libcrypt.so.2 (0x7ff5deaa)
> > > libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x7ff5de9bf000)
> > > /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7ff5df88a000)
> > > libicui18n.so.72 => /lib64/libicui18n.so.72 (0x7ff5de60)
> > > libicuuc.so.72 => /lib64/libicuuc.so.72 (0x7ff5de20)
> > > libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5df4ed000)
> > > libstdc++.so.6 => /lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x7ff5dde0)
> > > libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7ff5de99b000)
> > > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /lib64/libpcre2-8.so.0 (0x7ff5de566000)
> > > libgio-2.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0 (0x7ff5ddc2d000)
> > > libboost_filesystem.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_filesystem.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de979000)
> > > libboost_locale.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_locale.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de4c4000)
> > > libicudata.so.72 => /lib64/libicudata.so.72 (0x7ff5dbe0)
> > > libz.so.1 => /lib64/libz.so.1 (0x7ff5de95f000)
> > > libmount.so.1 => /lib64/libmount.so.1 (0x7ff5de47e000)
> > > libselinux.so.1 => /lib64/libselinux.so.1 (0x7ff5de451000)
> > > libboost_atomic.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_atomic.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de955000)
> > > libboost_system.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_system.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de95)
> > > libboost_thread.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_thread.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de431000)
> > > libboost_chrono.so.1.78.0 => /lib64/libboost_chrono.so.1.78.0
> > > (0x7ff5de945000)
> > > libblkid.so.1 => /lib64/libblkid.so.1 (0x7ff5de1c8000)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:15 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Run:
> > >>   ldd /usr/lib64/gnucash/libgnc-expressions-guile.so
> > >>
> > >> And see if perhaps it is missing a dependency?
> > >>
> > >> -derek
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, January 25, 2024 11:07 am, John Haiducek wrote:
> > >> > The file and its parent directory are both world-readable
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:46 AM R Losey  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> This is probably a silly question, but does the .so file have
> > >> >> permissions
> > >> >> that let it be read by your account? And/or what about the
> > >> >> containing directory?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:19 AM John Haiducek 
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> After upgrading to gnucash 5.5 on Fedora 38 (using the rpm package
> > >> for
> > >> >>> gnucash from the Fedora repos), I get the following error trying
> to
> > >> >>> start
> > >> >>> gnucash:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> $ gnucash
> > >> >>> Backtrace

Re: [GNC] Discount / Coupon question - How to apply?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I created the income account "discounts" and did it with a manual
transfer to the expense account.  




On Wed, 2024-01-03 at 11:16 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Thanks for reporting back, but for posterity, which method worked?
> 
> (assigning as payment, or using an intermediary account)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 1/2/24 11:31 AM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Thanks, that worked.
> 
> > On Sun, 2023-12-31 at 14:36 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > Is this screenshot taken while viewing the AR account? That error
> > > message usually means you don't have a split in the transaction
> > > that
> > > is
> > > AR/AP.
> > > > > Be sure to commit the transaction first, then try right-
> > > > > clicking to
> > > assign the payment.
> > > 
> > > If it still won't work, you might have to employ some
> > > intermediary
> > > accounts.
> > > 
> > > One option is to create a contra-income (sales) account for
> > > something
> > > like "Discounts & Allowances", and then issue a Credit Note for
> > > that
> > > Customer with a line item posted to that account. (the Credit
> > > Note
> > > itself will post to AR)
> > > 
> > > Then process a payment and select the Credit Note & Invoice to
> > > offset.
> > > ('pay' the invoice with the Credit Note)
> > > 
> > > Then do a manual transaction between the Discounts & Allowances
> > > account
> > > and your desired expense account. (moving the amount from contra-
> > > sales
> > > to expense)
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Re: [GNC] Discount / Coupon question - How to apply?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I'm not a coder, but I've considered learning to give it a shot :)

Alan

On Tue, 2024-01-02 at 12:34 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, January 2, 2024 12:31 pm, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user
> wrote:
> > Thanks, that worked. 
> > 
> > Perhaps a future feature to add a coupon/discount mechanism to the
> > customer invoice interface would be in order?
> 
> Patches always welcome!  :)
> > 
> > Alan
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Re: [GNC] Discount / Coupon question - How to apply?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Thanks, that worked. 

Perhaps a future feature to add a coupon/discount mechanism to the
customer invoice interface would be in order?

Alan

On Sun, 2023-12-31 at 14:36 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Is this screenshot taken while viewing the AR account? That error 
> message usually means you don't have a split in the transaction that
> is 
> AR/AP.
> 
> Can you turn on View > Transaction Journal and send another
> screenshot?
> 
> Be sure to commit the transaction first, then try right-clicking to 
> assign the payment.
> 
> If it still won't work, you might have to employ some intermediary
> accounts.
> 
> One option is to create a contra-income (sales) account for something
> like "Discounts & Allowances", and then issue a Credit Note for that 
> Customer with a line item posted to that account. (the Credit Note 
> itself will post to AR)
> 
> Then process a payment and select the Credit Note & Invoice to
> offset. 
> ('pay' the invoice with the Credit Note)
> 
> Then do a manual transaction between the Discounts & Allowances
> account 
> and your desired expense account. (moving the amount from contra-
> sales 
> to expense)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/31/23 1:38 PM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Adrien,
> > 
> > I tried that and I get the below error message:
> > 
> > The selected transaction doesn't have splits that can be assigned
> > as a
> > payment
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Re: [GNC] Discount / Coupon question - How to apply?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Adrien,

I tried that and I get the below error message:

The selected transaction doesn't have splits that can be assigned as a
payment



On Sat, 2023-12-30 at 21:31 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Alan,
> 
> Create a manual transaction between the desired expense account and 
> Accounts Receivable. (Debit the Expense, Credit AR)
> 
> Then right click the transaction after committing it, and choose
> 'Assign 
> as Payment'.
> 
> In the Process Payment window, select the invoice you want to apply
> this 
> to and any other relevant info, then commit the payment.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/30/23 6:16 PM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I have a customer that I have created an invoice for.
> > 
> > How do I create a coupon/discount to pay for the invoice and charge
> > it
> > to a marketing expense? I tried to choose the expense account but
> > it
> > will only allow me to use income or liability accounts.
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[GNC] Discount / Coupon question - How to apply?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I have a customer that I have created an invoice for. 

How do I create a coupon/discount to pay for the invoice and charge it
to a marketing expense? I tried to choose the expense account but it
will only allow me to use income or liability accounts.

Thanks,

Alan


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Re: [GNC] Monthly Expense summary Report

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

When I select "Expenses" and choose select children, it selects all of
the children appropriately.  When I go to Income, and then select
"Select Children" it deselects all of the expense accounts and leaves
only the Income accounts selected.  

Manually selecting via ctrl+Click deslelects the other accounts as
well.  This may be a bug - I should be able to use the select children
button repeatedly to select child accounts without it clearing the
previously selected accounts.  


On Thu, 2023-12-14 at 14:13 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Either of those reports (Transaction or Budget) should allow you to 
> select any accounts you want.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/14/23 12:19 PM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > That will work. Only annoyance is that I can't seem to select both
> > income and expense at the same time, requiring two reports.
> > 
> > The default had the asset and liability accounts selected, which
> > was
> > not needed.
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Re: [GNC] Monthly Expense summary Report

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Thanks,

That will work. Only annoyance is that I can't seem to select both
income and expense at the same time, requiring two reports. 

The default had the asset and liability accounts selected, which was
not needed.  

On Thu, 2023-12-14 at 10:53 -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> The Transaction Report can group by period with subtotals and totals.
> That is a listing of each transaction though. You can likely reduce 
> detail, but there should be a summary table you can turn on which
> might 
> get you close.
> 
> Also take a look at the Budget Report multi-period feature. If you
> don't 
> want the actual budget features, you can still use the report to show
> actual expenses. This report presents a column for each period by 
> account. You also get a YTD total column if you want it, and can 
> collapse previous/future periods from the one you want to focus on.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/14/23 9:17 AM, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Is there a way to have an expense report that breaks out the
> > columns by
> > week and/or month?
> > 
> > Other software will allow me to display the expense category for
> > each
> > month/quarter/week/chosen grouping period and then sum them at the
> > end.
> > 
> > For example, In this report I could see how much I spent on
> > Expenses:Auto:Fuel for Jan/Feb/Mar.../Dec and then the Year on one
> > screen without having to run 12 different reports.
> > 
> > I don't desire to have each transaction for those months, just the
> > summary of the amount spent in each category for the
> > month/week/quarter.
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[GNC] Monthly Expense summary Report

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Hello,

Is there a way to have an expense report that breaks out the columns by
week and/or month? 

Other software will allow me to display the expense category for each
month/quarter/week/chosen grouping period and then sum them at the
end. 

For example, In this report I could see how much I spent on
Expenses:Auto:Fuel for Jan/Feb/Mar.../Dec and then the Year on one
screen without having to run 12 different reports. 

I don't desire to have each transaction for those months, just the
summary of the amount spent in each category for the
month/week/quarter.

Thanks,

Alan


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Re: [GNC] How to change date of balance on register?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Thanks.  The Current / Current USD is what I was looking for (balance
as of today).  Playing around, I see a total (period) which shows a
negative balance but the account isn't actually negative. It looks like
it is showing the delta from the start of the 'period' - which I take
to be the start of calendar year, to today, something like a statement
of cash flows.  It would be nice of one of those options was
customizeable - say 30 or 60 days or a chosen date out.  

Alan

On Mon, 2023-12-11 at 12:31 -0500, Kalpesh Patel wrote:
> There is really not a way to specify the date range the way I think
> you want to -- like today to end-of-month or today to infinity --
> that is somewhat dynamically adjusting per se. As David mentioned,
> you can select from pre-built ones by putting a check mark in the
> ones that you want to display in the Account page. Out of those ones,
> I'll say 'Present (USD)' is likely to give you the closest one as it
> will normalize all accounts in to common USD basis rather than just
> 'Present' as you will not see the monetary value but amount of shares
> for each issue you have. If you want a bit more "custom" then you can
> enable view by 'Period' or 'Period (USD)' and then you can set the
> period range in 'Edit' -> 'Preference' -> 'Accounting Period'
> sheet.   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David H  
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:32 PM
> To: Alan Johnson 
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to change date of balance on register?
> 
> If you click on the down arrow in the header line of the accounts tab
> far right you can select lots of dates, see below - try "Present"
> 
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> [image: image.png]
> 
> 
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 08:12, Alan Johnson via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm running GnuCash 5.4.1 flathub.
> > 
> > Is there a way to change the date of balance shown in the account 
> > overview?
> > 
> > For example, I have a checking account with 10,000 in it today.  I 
> > have a couple transactions that are future dated which decrease the
> > balance.
> >  On the Accounts page, it shows the lower balance of the future
> > amount.
> > Is there a way to change which date is the reference date for 
> > displaying the balance?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
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[GNC] How to change date of balance on register?

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I'm running GnuCash 5.4.1 flathub.  

Is there a way to change the date of balance shown in the account
overview?

For example, I have a checking account with 10,000 in it today.  I have
a couple transactions that are future dated which decrease the balance.
 On the Accounts page, it shows the lower balance of the future amount.
Is there a way to change which date is the reference date for
displaying the balance?

Thanks,
Alan


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Re: [GNC] Have I got my USD accounts set up wrong?

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hello David
   We receive and pay for a multitude of currencies.  This made life
   complicated for a small business so we decided to use a FX service - we
   use OFX because we managed to get to them in their early days and were
   offered a special continuing deal.
   However, there are quite a few others too - TransferWise (now just
   called Wise) were probably the initiators in this area.
   The way it works is that we tell them what we need to pay in FX, we pay
   in our local currency and the bill is paid to the supplier in their
   currency.  On the receipt side, the client pays into a bank account
   local to them, the OFX service notifies us of the receipt, and then we
   can either convert to our local currency immediately or at some time
   over the next 2 months when we wish - this has an advantage (generally)
   in being able to get a more favourable exchange rate and thus a better
   return.
   The service costs less than banks - they provide a better exchange rate
   and have lower fees - and our accounts are all in local currency.  We
   just adjust our invoices/bills according to the rate received/paid.
   Easy peasy.
   I'm not sure that will help you but it just might!
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 30/11/23 11:05, David Kirkby wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 23:28, Adrien Monteleone <
[1]adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:


You can set your bank accounts nested however you want. GnuCash doesn't
care as there is nothing special about such accounts.

Gnucash *does* care about types Accounts Receivable and Accounts
Payable. (regardless of what you name them)

But exactly how these should be structured is still to be determined.

Regards,
Adrien



Is it possible, and so how, to move the A/R USD account directly under the
assets and not under the GBP account? When I set up accounts like that, the
P&L and trial balance agreed with each other.

I am still puzzled it’s now possible to delete a non-GBP transaction that
has been posted.  I think that’s a new problem , within the last day or
two.  I would need to go back to an earlier version to be sure.

I charge customer extra for non-GBP transactions, anti always say GBP will
be cheaper. They certainly do cause an extra overhead with software issues,
accounting issues, the need to maintain 3 price lists.

A few years ago I reported a bug to the bug tracker related to non-GBP
currencies. I think it was a report that was wrong, but that issue got
resolved.

Dave.




On 11/29/23 5:05 PM, David Kirkby wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 23:02, David Kirkby <

[2]drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk>

wrote:


But think about it, the fact one is supposed to set bank accounts that
way, probably implies one needs to do the same with A/P and A/R.

Dave.


I meant to say “thinking about it “  not “think about it “

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Re: [GNC] Dealing with escrow account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Your mortgage payment should be fixed, adjusting one a year for escrow
review. 

You can automate / enter a year's worth of payments from bank to
mortgage account.  

You should also have a the 360 (or other) payment amortization table as
part of your loan packet which shows you what each payment will be for
Principal and Interest.  Unless you are paying extra, you can just
follow that to pre-enter your transactions. 

Alternatively, you can enter 12 mos of payments from bank, enter 12 mos
of escrow (which should be fixed unless it adjusts) and approximate the
interest and then reconcile with your statement.  Interest will likely
decline a few dollars each payment.  

When you get your bills for taxes and insurance, if they are escrowed,
then you can enter/pay them out of the escrow asset account.  

On Thu, 2023-11-02 at 12:41 -0400, Jediator wrote:
> One way to automate the bill generation would be to create a payment 
> plan in a spreadsheet.  It should be fairly easy to calculate
> principal 
> and interest in each installment in a spreadsheet, and convert that 
> spreadsheet in to csv format for bill generation in GC, and import
> the 
> csv file to GC to populate the bills.  You may have to create two
> CSVs, 
> one with PMI and the other without PMI (i.e., when your principal 
> reaches 10% of your loan as in the US).
> 
> On 11/2/23 9:00 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > a) The amounts principal vs interest going to be changing each
> > payment 
> > (if here in the US with amortizing mortgages). How to automate that
> > not easy especially as the lender may have calculated the
> > amortization 
> > table differently (chance you and they used same method very small)
> > . 
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Re: [GNC] Dealing with escrow account

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

I structure my mortgage accounts like thus:

- Asset account representing the property value (sub accounts for land
/ buildings as needed)
- Loan/Liability account representing the amount borrowed which is
transferred to the Property Asset account
- Closing costs from the HUD-1 should also be accounted for as
expenses, along with contributions from checking/cash for down payments
- Asset account for escrow (initial transfer from purchase transaction
/ liability account to fund the account at closing)

- Payment from checking goes to the mortgage liability account
- I assess interest expense as an increase in the liability account
- Transfer escrow payment to escrow account out of (increase) liability
account

Although not expressly listed, the balance applied to the loan balance
is the principle payment that reduces the outstanding amount.  The
balance of the loan account should then be the pay off amount of the
loan, adjusted for accrued interest since the last statement/entry.  

Escrow account pays out expenses (property taxes, hazard insurance,
etc.) as expense line items. 

Tracking the escrow balance separately is also useful for tracking
refunds due to you when you sell and/or pay off the loan.  

Alan

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 11:10 -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 12:03 AM, Edwin Booth wrote:
> > Hi. How do y’all deal with a mortgage escrow account? Specifically,
> > each
> > month I pay into the escrow account along with my monthly PMI
> > payment. It
> > is all an expense. But when the mortgage company pays out money
> > from that
> > escrow account (for taxe and insurance payments) how do you account
> > for
> > them in GnuCash? Or do you just wait until tax time and record it
> > on your
> > return w/o even putting into GC?
> > 
> > Thanks, Edwin
> 
> 
> "each month I pay into the escrow account along with my monthly PMI
> payment. It
> is all an expense."
>   
> No it is not. In order to learn bookkeeping you need to unlearn the
> mental habit "if money leaves my pocket, an expense  and if money
> not leaving my pocket, not an expense."
> 
> When you make a mortgage payment it is a SPLIT transaction. What you
> pay (a credit against your bank account) and debits to THREE
> accounts. Only one of these, mortgage interest would be an expense
> account. The escrow account is an ASSET, your money being safely set
> aside in order to pay expenses when they come due. Expenses like real
> estate tax, water and sewer bills, property insurance bills, etc. It
> is quite possible that the lender will send you a statement for that
> account just once a year. You might want to be using the previous
> statement to enter ESTIMATED transactions on estimated dates and then
> reconcile (manually) when your next statement gives actuals.
> 
> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Australian Accountants familiar with GNUCash

[Alan Hopkins]

Agreed Suzie! That folder of info is really all you need!! 🙂

Cheers

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023, 7:46 am Susie Godden,  wrote:

> I agree with you Alan, I do the bookkeeping work and my accountant uses P&L
> and Balance Sheet that I send him at the end of the year.
>
> Perhaps it depends on the size of the business but often one also needs to
> supply bank statement reconciliations for end of year tax returns too, but
> gnucash can do those too.
>
> I save the years invoices, bank statements, bank recs, wage information,
> receipts  etc into one folder during the year that I can then share with
> the accountant at the years end (thats for businesses that I bookkeeper for
> - unfortunately they mostly have their accounts on proprietary cloud
> accounting software - unless I can persuade them otherwise)
>
> Good luck
> Susie
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct. 2023, 9:27 pm flywire,  wrote:
>
> >
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2023-October/109255.html
> > Alan Hopkins wrote:
> > > I know an accountant who has, for at least one business, accepted
> printed
> > P&L & Balance Sheet from a 2002 version of Quickbooks together with end
> of
> > year bank statements - he has never wanted to get the info on disk/USB as
> > his lackies just enter the financial data (from P&L & Balance Sheet) into
> > their software and check bank balances etc, so the same should be
> > achievable for GNUCash.
> >
> > lol, That's my accountant, tells me what reports and documents he wants
> > (which also includes a transaction statement and a summary spreadsheet
> for
> > various entities). He's a tax accountant and not interested in doing
> > bookkeeping. I value his advice more than getting the tax forms filled
> out.
> >
> > I'd suggest looking for a bookkeeper or someone with a finance/admin
> > background. People know what their interests are and the right person
> would
> > pick up GnuCash soon enough. It could be a good work from home job.
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Re: [GNC] Australian Accountants familiar with GNUCash

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hello Michael
   That's a very common story with accountants in Australia these days -
   they have often put themselves into a relationship with Xero, MYOB or
   Reckon and prefer you to use "their" system.
   Unfortunately, I don't know of the existence of any such list
   I know an accountant who has, for at least one business, accepted
   printed P&L & Balance Sheet from a 2002 version of Quickbooks together
   with end of year bank statements - he has never wanted to get the info
   on disk/USB as his lackies just enter the financial data (from P&L &
   Balance Sheet) into their software and check bank balances etc, so the
   same should be achievable for GNUCash.  Other documentation such as a
   Trial Balance (to show accounts are balanced) can also be easily
   generated from GNUCash.
   I also know a small not-for-profit charity that keeps their books with
   GNUCash and it is perfectly acceptable for their situation - with that
   one, however, I happen to be acting as their accountant! (this is not a
   commercial for my services by the way!)
   Keep in mind that you might be able to export the financial data in a
   form which the accountant could then import into her/his software, so
   it might be worth asking her/him what format is acceptable - that way
   you may avoid labour charges for keying in data.
   Perhaps you might need to look for another, possibly small, accountancy
   firm?
   Sorry I couldn't be of more help - someone like Flywire might have
   suggestions for you or know of such a list.
   Good luck!
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 25/10/23 13:41, Michael Campbell via gnucash-user wrote:

Is there a list of Accountants for each country looking for work that is
familiar with GNUCash?

I just got off the phone from an accountant that had agreed to take on
my company to find out he still has not done anything and said it was
going to be expensive due to his unfamiliarity with GNUCash, and that
they are already behind with their existing workload.

So - Is there any accountants on the list looking for work with all my
book keeping up to date in GNUCash?

Michael


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Re: [GNC] I need basic help

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

You need to assign each CC transaction to an expense account. E.g. McDonalds is 
"dining".

When you pay down your CC, you make a transfer from you checking (or cash/etc) 
to the cc account.

The expense categories will allow you to run reports and see what you are 
spending your money on.

Your checking / cash is an asset. Your CC is a liability (something that you 
owe).

Go into the credit card account register and assign expense categories to all 
transactions that are assigned to imbalance.

The imbalance account should be empty. If it's not, then something is not 
assigned properly. 

Hope this helps.

Oct 18, 2023 14:21:34 Edwin Booth :

> Hi. New to this. I just downloaded an OFX file for a credit card I have. I
> imported it into my “Unsaved Book.” That worked. It is now on the Accounts
> Page with an amount under the “Total” column. But there is also a line that
> says “Imbalance-USD” with the same same amount under Total. I understand (I
> think) that that Imbalance is due to the fact that I have no other account
> in there and so there is nothing to balance my CC account with.
> 
> So, I obviously need to enter some new accounts. I haven’t paid off all of
> that CC account, but I have paid some of it. The unpaid portion would be
> under “Liability” I assume, and the paid part under “Expense.”
> 
> Not sure what to do next. I’m running GnuCash on a MacBook Pro, which I’m
> also pretty new at.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Edwin
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[GNC] Issue with default invoice template

[Alan Johnson via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I'm using GNUCash 5.4, flathugb 5.4.1, finance quote 1.58 on Ubuntu
23.04. 

I edited the template for invoices successfully.  However, when I go to
a customer account and go to print an invoice, it changes to the
default invoice template every time. 

I've made the changes under Options and Applied / hit OK.  I've tried
Save Config, but alas it does not stick.  

How can I make it so when I print an invoice it will use my selected
template every time by default?

Thanks,
Alan


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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash 5.4 Released

[Alan Hopkins]

   I'll second that.
   I hope you guys go to the blood bank because your blood is definitely
   worth bottling!!

   On 25/9/23 07:47, Jediator wrote:

 Thanks John and the GC team for all your hard work and dedication!
 On 9/24/23 5:26 PM, John Ralls wrote:

 The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 5.4, the fifth
 release in the stable 5.x series
 Between 5.3 and 5.4, the following bugfixes were accomplished:
  Bug 728875 - Back button does not work in QIF import assistant
  Bug 797507 - GnuCash Splash screen may disappear before the
 main window appears
  Bug 798709 - Total(Period) column does not refresh period's
 value after update of the period in settings.a>
  Bug 798904 - GnuCash on Windows opens a CMD window at startup.
  Bug 798925 - Python bindings: "invalid unclassed pointer in
 cast to 'QofInstance'".
  Bug 798944 - Program crashes when matching transactions
  Bug 798950 - Bug Report: Incorrect Currency Conversion and
 Provider Invoice Payment Recording
  When balancing lots use the split amount, not the value
  Recalculate the values using deduced exchange rates after
 adjusting split amounts.
  Be conservative when recalculating values after breaking up
 a split to avoid imbalances caused by rounding.
  Bug 798958 - gncScrubLotLinks will infinite loop in some
 conditions
  Bug 798982 - GetQuotes crashes if Finance::Quote returns an
 empty date.
  Bug 798983 - Empty Orphan account appears after entering
 transactions in 5.3
  Bug 798990 - Notes No Longer Autofills
  Bug 798991 - Incorrect Account Name Order in Transaction Report
  Bug 798995 - Keystrokes ignored during ledger entry
  Bug 798998 - Job Report Not Working
  Bug 799004 - Update of Prices attaches incorrect Date
  Bug 799010 - gnc-register-account-sel-limited-option errors
 doesn't work
  Bug 799020 - widget of gnc-register-list-option disregards
 user's clicks
  Bug 799021 - Saved report renders default of
 gnc-register-list-option
  Bug 799036 - Import prices from a CSV date problem
  Bug 799039 - gnc:strify produces unusual results or crashes
 GnuCash when fed an option from gnc-lookup-option
  Bug 799048 - Hover on tab not correct
  Bug 799051 - Shortcut Ctrl + Tab not working in 5.3
  Bug 799054 - Stock Assist not functioning
  Bug 799060 - Consistent Crash in Invoices
  Bug 799068 - csv export active register not working
  Bug 799069 - Multicurrency Invoice Payment
  Bug 799075 - Saving display tab changes in Report Options does
 not work.
  Bug 799084 - Unable to create new scheduled transaction
 The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug
 reports:
  [import-main-matcher.cpp] After clicking/toggling A/U+C/C
 checkbox, reselect the row because it'll be much faster to use
 keyboard navigation -- use up/down/left/right to target desired
 checkbox, hit   repeatedly to repeat the same action
 over several consecutive rows.
  Implement support for !Type:Prices records in the QIF importer.
  Modernize construction of GObjects using G_DECLARE_DERIVABLE,
 G_DECLARE_FINAL, etc.
  Fix yet more leaks.
  [DBI backend] Change DBI test URLs to environment variables
 from cmake configuration definitions.
  Restore the Stock Transaction Assistant to full operation.
  Fix the Fancy Date file property so that it saves.
  Fix formatting error in po files project-id line.
  [simple-business-create.py] Overwrite an existing file instead
 of crashing.
  Update github action package versions.
  Add parsing mixed number and fraction (e.g. 10 1/2) to the
 gnc_numeric string constructor.
  Bump minimum cmake version to 3.14 and drop some conditionals
 for older versions
  Major speedup in the SQLBackend by replacing C++ exceptions
 with std::optional for null values.
  Refresh the GUI on completion of the import matcher so that the
 imports are immediately reflected in the register.
  Improve online quote retrieval error reporting.
  Test loading and saving XML files with and without compression
  [import-main-matcher] always defer_bal_computation during
 import to speed up both importing new transactions, and destroying
 existing ones.
  GncGtkListUIItem::set_option_from_ui_item: Iterate over
 selected items Instead of all possible items.
  Convert gnc-ofx-import.c, import-parse.c, import-utilities.c,
 import-format-dialog.c, import-account-matcher.c,
 import-commodity-matcher.c, import-settings.c,
 import-pending-matches.c, import-match-picker.c,
 import-main-ma

Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

Hello John,

I have spotted 2 files named: David Smith Money Final 25-1-22.gnucash.LCK.gcm 
David Smith Money Final 25-1-22.gnucash.gcm

I have transferred both to bin. One is a LCK file. 

Gnucash is now opening as normal. Does it matter that one is a LCK file?

Thank you for this.

Regards,

David

On 24/09/2023, 19:16, "John Ralls"  wrote:

David,

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 6:32 AM, (Alan) David Smith 
 wrote:
> 
> Exception Type:EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
> Exception Codes:   KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0039
> Exception Codes:   0x0001, 0x0039
> 
[snip]
> Thread 0 Crashed::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
> 0   libglib-2.0.0.dylib  0x10dbebb44 
g_hash_table_lookup + 36
> 1   libgnc-engine.dylib  0x10d6a2335 
gncTaxTableGetTables + 21
> 2   libgnc-gnome.dylib  0x109dd90b2 
gnc_simple_combo_generate_liststore + 50
> 3   libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib 0x10a26099e 
gnc_gui_refresh_internal + 222
> 

That seems to point to an invalid hash table in the book object, though I 
don't see in the code where that would happen. Regardless, try this: 
* Open a Finder window and select Go>Go to folder from the menu or press 
shift-command-g. 
* In the dialog type ~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash/books. 
* Find the file corresponding to your data file name with a .gcm extension, 
e.g. "my_file.gcm" and move it to Trash.
* Start GnuCash

I think you have an invoice tab open and something about its Tax Table 
listbox is causing GnuCash to crash. Removing the .gcm file will start GnuCash 
with only the Accounts tab and if I'm right will avoid the crash. 

Regards,
John Ralls 




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Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

I have tried this. Thank you very much for your help but there is still no 
trace file visible anywhere.

May be version 5.4 will work on my Apple when available, otherwise it looks as 
though GNUCash has permanently stopped working on my apple computer.

Regards,

David

On 17/09/2023, 17:13, "(Alan) David Smith"  wrote:

There is still no trace file. But you now have crash report.

On 17/09/2023, 15:13, "gnucash-user on behalf of Ken Farley" 
 wrote:

I think you might be missing some of the steps you were asked to 
perform, so here they are:

(1) Run Gnucash while telling it to save a trace file. This file lists 
all the actions of the program. This is done with the command (on 
MacOS):

/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug

This will run Gnucash, presumably until it crashes, while writing a 
trace file in the directory specified by the environment variable 
TMPDIR 
on your system.

(2) To make the trace file more accessible, you copy it to your user 
directory. To be sure it's in this location, perform the following two 
commands:

cd

cp $TMPDIR/gnucash.trace .

(3) Now that you have this tracefile, you want to provide it to the 
folks on the mailing list who can interpret such things. Since it's 
likely a very long file, it is not a good idea to copy and paste it's 
contents into a message. Instead, when you reply to the mailing list, 
you attach the file to the message, usually by dragging and dropping 
the 
file in Outlook, or using the "Attach File" button, etc.


Hopefully, if you do these things, someone will be able to figure out 
where your installation is going wrong.
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Re: [GNC] Automatic population of posting values based on description ACROSS accounts

[Alan A Holmes]

Jan,

There were several responses, some of which went to you directly as well as
the to the group, to your original posting, between the 12th and the 17th.
Perhaps you're not  receiving them directly, check your spam folder, and
also check wherever you see other postings in the group.



Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Jan via gnucash-user
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:55 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Automatic population of posting values based on
description ACROSS accounts

Just trying it one more time, in case somebody knows the answer. Thanks in
advance, Jan

 

From: jhoe...@googlemail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:48 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Automatic population of posting values based on description ACROSS
accounts

 

Hi everyone:

 

GnuCash "remembers" the description of postings and fills in previous
values, e.g. for account and value. This memory seems to be account
dependent, i.e. postings from one account are not remembered in another. Is
it possible to turn the automatic population of posting values based on
description ACROSS accounts on?

 

Alternatively, is there an easy way to cut a posting out of one account and
put it in another (other than using the Transaction Journal view and
changing the account manually). With Quicken, you could just cut and paste .

 

Thanks for any help, Jan

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Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

There is still no trace file. But you now have crash report.

On 17/09/2023, 15:13, "gnucash-user on behalf of Ken Farley" 
 wrote:

I think you might be missing some of the steps you were asked to 
perform, so here they are:

(1) Run Gnucash while telling it to save a trace file. This file lists 
all the actions of the program. This is done with the command (on MacOS):

/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug

This will run Gnucash, presumably until it crashes, while writing a 
trace file in the directory specified by the environment variable TMPDIR 
on your system.

(2) To make the trace file more accessible, you copy it to your user 
directory. To be sure it's in this location, perform the following two 
commands:

cd

cp $TMPDIR/gnucash.trace .

(3) Now that you have this tracefile, you want to provide it to the 
folks on the mailing list who can interpret such things. Since it's 
likely a very long file, it is not a good idea to copy and paste it's 
contents into a message. Instead, when you reply to the mailing list, 
you attach the file to the message, usually by dragging and dropping the 
file in Outlook, or using the "Attach File" button, etc.


Hopefully, if you do these things, someone will be able to figure out 
where your installation is going wrong.
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Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

I may have already sent this message but I cannot see anything in my sent box. 
I had a holiday last week so I am resuming from a week ago.

 

I  could not find the trace report after repeated attempts. 

 

I have no found a crash report which I hope may help resolve the matter:

 

Crashed Thread:    0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

 

Exception Type:    EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)

Exception Codes:   KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0039

Exception Codes:   0x0001, 0x0039

 

Termination Reason:    Namespace SIGNAL, Code 11 Segmentation fault: 11

Terminating Process:   exc handler [69310]

 

VM Region Info: 0x39 is not in any region.  Bytes before following region: 
140723048775623

  REGION TYPE    START - END [ VSIZE] PRT/MAX 
SHRMOD  REGION DETAIL

  UNUSED SPACE AT START

--->  

  mapped file  7ffca3558000-7ffcb26ac000 [241.3M] r-x/r-x 
SM=COW  ...t_id=66f0d883

 

Kernel Triage:

VM - (arg = 0x0) pmap_enter retried due to resource shortage

VM - (arg = 0x0) pmap_enter retried due to resource shortage

VM - (arg = 0x0) pmap_enter retried due to resource shortage

VM - (arg = 0x0) pmap_enter retried due to resource shortage

VM - (arg = 0x0) pmap_enter retried due to resource shortage

 

 

Thread 0 Crashed::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

0   libglib-2.0.0.dylib          0x10dbebb44 
g_hash_table_lookup + 36

1   libgnc-engine.dylib          0x10d6a2335 
gncTaxTableGetTables + 21

2   libgnc-gnome.dylib          0x109dd90b2 
gnc_simple_combo_generate_liststore + 50

3   libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib         0x10a26099e 
gnc_gui_refresh_internal + 222

4   libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib         0x10a26c817 gnc_post_file_open + 
1815

5   libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib         0x10a286843 
gnc_plugin_file_history_cmd_open_file + 243

6   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib          0x10abd75aa g_closure_invoke + 
298

7   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib          0x10abeeac7 
signal_emit_unlocked_R + 1607

8   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib          0x10abefb4f 
g_signal_emit_valist + 2767

9   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib          0x10abf0042 g_signal_emit + 130

10  libgio-2.0.0.dylib         0x10c655bc4 
g_simple_action_activate + 148

11  libgtk-3.0.dylib         0x10af58b9e 
gtk_menu_tracker_item_activated + 158

12  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib         0x10abd75aa g_closure_invoke + 
298

13  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib         0x10abeeac7 
signal_emit_unlocked_R + 1607

14  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib         0x10abefb4f g_signal_emit_valist 
+ 2767

15  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib         0x10abf0042 g_signal_emit + 130

16  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib         0x10abd75aa g_closure_invoke + 
298

17  libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib      0x10a1ce5ff 
idle_call_activate + 79

18  libgdk-3.0.dylib        0x10a48fb12 
gdk_threads_dispatch + 50

19  libglib-2.0.0.dylib        0x10dbffa7e 
g_main_context_dispatch + 414

20  libglib-2.0.0.dylib        0x10dbffda2 
g_main_context_iterate + 450

21  libglib-2.0.0.dylib        0x10dc000ca g_main_loop_run 
+ 266

22  libgtk-3.0.dylib         0x10af3fbfb gtk_main + 75

23  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib       0x10a270f9c gnc_ui_start_event_loop 
+ 76

24  Gnucash        0x100e140b9 
scm_run_gnucash(void*, int, char**) + 1417

25  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x1099b62b2 invoke_main_func 
+ 34

26  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x10999526f c_body + 15

27  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x109a2301b vm_regular_engine 
+ 1531

28  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x109a21b75 scm_call_n + 773

29  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x109a1e5a5 catch + 501

30  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x10999523c 
scm_c_with_continuation_barrier + 140

31  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x109a1e10f with_guile + 63

32  libgc.1.dylib      0x109858ea6 
GC_call_with_stack_base + 22

33  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x109a1c11b scm_with_guile + 
43

34  libguile-2.2.1.dylib      0x1099b6275 scm_boot_guile + 
69

35  Gnucash        0x100e14529 main + 601

36  dyld        0x20107741f start + 1903

 

Thread 1:: com.apple.rosetta.exceptionserver

0   runtime    0x7ff7ffc72634 0x7ff7ffc6e000 + 17972

 

Thread 2:: pool-spawner

0   ???    0x7ff8a5c229a8 ???

1   libsystem_kernel.dylib     0x7ff815fd70fe __psynch_cvwait + 10

2   libsystem_pthread.dylib     0x7ff81

Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

ders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/homed/TemporaryItems: 
Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.quicklook.ThumbnailsAgent/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.pluginkit/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.donotdisturbd/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.tccd/TemporaryItems: 
Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/itunescloudd/TemporaryItems: 
Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.amsengagementd/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.microsoft.Outlook/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/T/com.apple.mediaanalysisd/TemporaryItems:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/C/com.apple.WebKit.WebContent.Sandbox:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/C/com.apple.WebKit.Networking.Sandbox:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/C/com.apple.quicklook.ThumbnailsAgent/com.apple.QuickLook.thumbnailcache:
 Operation not permitted
find: 
/var/folders/4z/9_58dccx62533wcvwb6t4jmcgn/C/com.apple.WebKit.GPU.Sandbox: 
Operation not permitted
alandavidsmith@Alans-MacBook-Pro ~ %

Regards,

David

On 09/09/2023, 22:49, "John Ralls"  wrote:

David,

That's very strange, `string->number` is a guile function used only in the 
QIF importer. Please run 
  /Application/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug
and attach the resulting tracefile (see 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile). It may be quite long so don't try to 
paste in the contents.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Sep 9, 2023, at 12:57 PM, (Alan) David Smith 
 wrote:
> 
> Dear John, 
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions: there is nothing in the crash report and 
this is what the terminal output is:
> 
> Last login: Fri Sep  8 23:30:43 on console
> alandavidsmith@Alans-MacBook-Pro ~ % 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
> Application Path /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
> 
> (process:46072): gnc.gui-WARNING **: 20:54:04.010: [mac_set_languages()] 
Language list: en:en_GB:C
> Backtrace:
>   3 (apply-smob/1 #)
> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>   2312:4  2 (save-module-excursion #)
> In ice-9/eval-string.scm:
> 36:6  1 (read-and-eval # #:lang _)
> In unknown file:
>   0 (read #)
> 
> ERROR: In procedure read:
> In procedure string->number: Value out of range: 9739
> 
> Some deprecated features have been used.  Set the environment
> variable GUILE_WARN_DEPRECATED to "detailed" and rerun the
> program to get more information.  Set it to "no" to suppress
> this message.
> alandavidsmith@Alans-MacBook-Pro ~ %
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DAvid
> 
> On 09/09/2023, 17:55, "john"  wrote:
> 
>Open /Applications/Utilities/Console and click Crash Reports in the 
sidebar. If GnuCash is crashing there will be a detailed report there. If 
there's nothing, try opening /Applications/Utilities/Terminal and running 
GnuCash from the command line:
>   /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
> 
>to see if it prints an error on the terminal window.
> 
>Regards,
>John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2023, at 08:25, smit...@smith54.karoo.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Sir,
>> 
>> It stopped working suddenly. I then updated it to 5.3 and it still was
>> shutting down on opening it.  I have also only just updated to the latest
>> version of Ventura. This has made no difference. I have checked the Apple
>> permissions - again there is nothing obvious.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gnucash-user
>>  On Behalf 
Of
>> G R Hewitt
>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2023 2:57 PM
>> To: (Alan) David Smith ; GnuCash User List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> Has the MacOS been recently updated? This may have broken something or
    >> other.
>> 
>> You might try getting a fresh installation of GnuCash and installing it, 
or
>> y

Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith]

Dear John, 

Thank you for your suggestions: there is nothing in the crash report and this 
is what the terminal output is:

Last login: Fri Sep  8 23:30:43 on console
alandavidsmith@Alans-MacBook-Pro ~ % 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
Application Path /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash

(process:46072): gnc.gui-WARNING **: 20:54:04.010: [mac_set_languages()] 
Language list: en:en_GB:C
Backtrace:
   3 (apply-smob/1 #)
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
   2312:4  2 (save-module-excursion #)
In ice-9/eval-string.scm:
 36:6  1 (read-and-eval # #:lang _)
In unknown file:
   0 (read #)

ERROR: In procedure read:
In procedure string->number: Value out of range: 9739

Some deprecated features have been used.  Set the environment
variable GUILE_WARN_DEPRECATED to "detailed" and rerun the
program to get more information.  Set it to "no" to suppress
this message.
alandavidsmith@Alans-MacBook-Pro ~ %

Regards,

DAvid

On 09/09/2023, 17:55, "john"  wrote:

Open /Applications/Utilities/Console and click Crash Reports in the 
sidebar. If GnuCash is crashing there will be a detailed report there. If 
there's nothing, try opening /Applications/Utilities/Terminal and running 
GnuCash from the command line:
   /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash

to see if it prints an error on the terminal window.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Sep 9, 2023, at 08:25, smit...@smith54.karoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Dear Sir,
> 
> It stopped working suddenly. I then updated it to 5.3 and it still was
> shutting down on opening it.  I have also only just updated to the latest
> version of Ventura. This has made no difference. I have checked the Apple
> permissions - again there is nothing obvious.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
>  On Behalf 
Of
> G R Hewitt
> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2023 2:57 PM
> To: (Alan) David Smith ; GnuCash User List
> 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.
> 
> Hi Alan,
> Has the MacOS been recently updated? This may have broken something or
> other.
> 
> You might try getting a fresh installation of GnuCash and installing it, 
or
> you could use Time Machine and go back a couple of days and restore just 
the
> program file.
> 
> If none of those work I'd look at the security settings to make sure 
GnuCash
> has sufficient rights.
> 
> On Sat, 9 Sept 2023 at 13:18, (Alan) David Smith via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello  everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I am using MacBook Pro M! And my Gnu Cash has suddenly stopped 
>> opening. It looks was though it is opening up normally and then just
> switches off.
>> 
>> Does anyone no why - It does not make sense to me.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> David Smith
>> 
>> 54 Pryme Street
>> Anlaby, HU10 6SH.
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[GNC] Gnu Cash stopped working 2 days ago.

[(Alan) David Smith via gnucash-user]

Hello  everyone,


I am using MacBook Pro M! And my Gnu Cash has suddenly stopped opening. It 
looks was though it is opening up normally and then just switches off. 

Does anyone no why - It does not make sense to me.

Regards,

David Smith

54 Pryme Street
Anlaby, HU10 6SH.
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Re: [GNC] Expenses by Account

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hello Tom
   It's fairly straightforward, if I understand you correctly.
   There are several ways to achieve this but possibly the easiest is to
   choose the Income Statement (MultiColumn) report, then in the report
   Options go to the Accounts tab and select Clear All then scroll though
   you accounts list and Highlight/Select the Expenses Account (this is
   usually a Placeholder), then Select Children (this will select all the
   Expenses sub-accounts), then go to the General tab, for Period Duration
   select Half Year (or one of the periods in the drop down), then Select
   your start and end dates, Apply and you should see something like what
   you are after.  You can clean it up through Options, Display, uncheck
   "Include accounts with zero total balances".
   Have a play and discover how things work - once you have the report as
   you want you can save it using "Save Config As" eg "6 monthly expense
   comparison" or whatever.
   The important thing is to have a play with the Options so that you
   learn, rather than being told, how to do it.
   Enjoy GnuCash - I love it!  Big thanks to the developers and
   maintainers!!
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 7/9/23 11:07, Tom Balazs wrote:

What is the best report to use if I want to show all my expenses for
TimePeriodX broken down by account (e.g. Expense:Groceries, Expense:Auto,
Expense:Restaurant).
And how do I view trends over time (e.g. last month "Expense:Restaurant"
seemed high, but show me "Expense:Restaurant" each month for the past 6
months).

Tom
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Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items

[Alan A Holmes]

Catching up with this a little late.

GnuCash tabs are similar to tabs in other applications, e.g. Acrobat. The
difference is that the GnuCash tabs can be configured to display tabs at the
top, left, bottom, or right. Acrobat puts its tabs across the top, and I'm
not sure they be configured to be elsewhere.

If where you've got them means you keep clicking the close for a tab when
you mean to click close for GnuCash why not move them elsewhere so that will
only leave the one X on the right hand side, and see if that helps.



Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of G
R Hewitt
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 11:30 AM
To: GnuCash User List 
Subject: [GNC] Locking the side bar items

Greetings all,

I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened tabs from
being closed.
I have all the things I use - P&L, BS etc., on the right, and just can't
seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the program, which
closes the open tab instead.

If not, could this be added as a feature at some point?

Thanks in advance
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[GNC] Importing QFX

[Alan Schold via gnucash-user]

I just upgraded to 5.0 and now can no longer find the QFX choice under 
Import. Where did it go?


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Re: [GNC] Help with downloading transactions.

[Alan A Holmes]

I'm afraid I would disagree Phyllis. Having been scammed, through no fault of 
mine, I ALWAYS reconcile my accounts each month.

1. Banks do, and have made mistakes. Usually down to human error, though 
sometimes masked as being a computer error.
2. More importantly is fraudulent transactions. I've had 3 occasions where my 
credit card details have been scammed. If I hadn't checked my credit card 
statement against my receipts I would never have found 2 of the 3 scams.
a) The first occasion was in the days when you had to swipe the card, before 
chip and pin. Somehow the machine had been doctored and it made multiple 
transactions.
b) The second scam was when my card details were used at exactly the same time 
to purchase things at locations over 100 miles apart. The bank called me and 
after investigation found that my details had been stolen by a phone agent when 
I'd made legitimate transaction, and then used to buy something for themselves.
c) The third occasion I found a transaction I didn't recognise on my credit 
card statement and reported it to the bank. They investigated and found the 
transaction was at exactly the same time as another transaction at a Motorway 
Service Station when I'd paid by tapping my card. They found the cashier had 
their own machine under the counter so as I passed my card over the genuine 
machine it had also triggered the 2nd machine.
In all 3 cases the offenders were caught and prosecuted, my card was stopped 
and replaced to prevent further thefts, and I was refunded. Had I not checked 
my statement every month the first and third scams might not have been picked 
up as quickly or even at all.



Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  
On Behalf Of Phyllis Bruce
Sent: 17 March 2023 21:17
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Help with downloading transactions.

I did for many years retain my receipts for credit card charges and match every 
one to the statement.  Same with checks, etc.  The banks so seldom make a 
mistake that I find it a waste of time.  In recent years one of my banks has 
issued a correction.  That's good enough for me.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 10:50 AM Michael or Penny Novack < 
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> > This is a philosophical point.
> > There is group "M" who always enter every transaction first in their 
> > books and then use the bank documents to reconcile
> >
> > and
> >
> > There is group "K" who enter some things and use the bank download 
> > to keep their accounts.
> >
> > There are pros and cons to each method. Gnucash allows you to make 
> > your own choice.
>
> Well put, but more than a philosophical difference.
>
> The former group is "reconciling", confirming that their records match 
> those of the bank. Dealing with an errors or omissions. In my personal 
> experience, bank errors though rare do occur. Also rare but every now 
> and then, the error or omission at the books side.
>
> The second group is NOT reconciling anything. If the transactions in 
> the books came from a download from the bank it WILL match what the 
> bank bank statement. So the reconcile process in gnucash meaningless. 
> Any errors the bank might have made, say misreading a check, will not 
> be detected. We should also note that at any time the balance in the 
> books will be larger than the actual balance by the amount of the "float"
> (checks written and sent but not yet cleared)
>
> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Interest Income

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Abe,

One thing that helped me to understand using GnuCash when I first started was 
the naming of the columns. If you unset Edit->Preferences->Accounts->Label->Use 
formal accounting labels you then get column headings such as Receive and Spend 
rather than Debit and Credit. Much easier to get my head around when I first 
started, more real world than accounting. In fact I've left it unset even after 
3-4 years of using GnuCash, even though I know, more or less, what I'm doing 
now.



Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  
On Behalf Of Abe Sternberg
Sent: 20 February 2023 20:17
To: Gyle McCollam ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Interest Income

I understand that part.  If I buy clothes, I debit (-) the checking account and 
credit the clothes (+) account.  It is when things are not obvious or go to 
something like an equity account that I am totally at sea.

Thanks again,

Abe

On 2/20/2023 15:04, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> Just think of double entry as when you are spending, the money comes 
> from some account and is spent on something (expense account).  When 
> you are receiving money, it comes from somewhere Income, donation, 
> etc. and gets put into some asset account, savings, building fund, 
> cash on hand.  There are two items for every expanse or receipt.
>
> Thank You,
>
> *Gyle McCollam*
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.com <mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>email
>
> --
> --
> *From:* Abe Sternberg 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2023 2:53 PM
> *To:* Gyle McCollam ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Interest Income
> That sounds too simple - I'll try it.  I really get confused with this 
> double-entry business, but these records are for a non-profit and I 
> have to be sure they are kept correctly.
>
> Regards,
> Abe
>
> On 2/20/2023 14:31, Gyle McCollam wrote:
>> Just a thought, if you haven't set up your savings account before and 
>> you are setting up the initial balance as the transaction you are 
>> referring to you would debit the savings account and credit an equity 
>> account.  Most likely a beginning balances account.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> *Gyle McCollam*
>>
>> Gyle McCollam
>>
>> gmccol...@live.com <mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>email
>>
>> -
>> ---
>> *From:* gnucash-user
>> 
>> <mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail@gnucash.org> on behalf 
>> of Abe Sternberg  
>> <mailto:abe.h.sternb...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2023 12:46 PM
>> *To:* gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
>>  <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
>> *Subject:* [GNC] Interest Income
>> I have just started using Gnucash for my savings account, not much 
>> money involved here, and wanted to enter my first transaction.  Not 
>> being good at double-entry bookkeeping, I have no idea what are the 
>> two off-setting accounts.  I imagine that I use income, but what is the 
>> other account?
>>
>> Thanks for your help to a dumb guy.
>>
>> Abe
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Re: [GNC] Why does "Managed Document Link" send me to the wrong directory?

[Alan Hopkins]

Oops... sorry. I see you have changed the path head in preferences -
apologies for the confusion
Not sure what is happening there as it works ok on linux for me.

Cheers
Hop

Sent from my unbelievably smart phone

On Sun, 25 Dec. 2022, 10:40 pm Alan Hopkins,  wrote:

> Hi David
> Merry Christmas.
> You change the default attachment location in preferences. You appear to
> be changing it as per individual file which is ok if the attachments are
> all in different locations
>
> I'm not at my computer right now otherwise I could tell you exactly where
>
> All the best - &  I just love GNC - many many thanks & Merry Christmas to
> all the dev's & support people & best wishes for 2023
>
> Cheers
> Hop
>
> Sent from my unbelievably smart phone
>
> On Sun, 25 Dec. 2022, 6:20 pm Dr. David Kirkby, <
> drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm using GnuCash 4.12 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux. When trying to attach a
>> file,
>> the GnuCash GUI sent me to $HOME/Downloads. So I changed that to
>> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices. However, whenever I try to
>> attach a document, it starts from $HOME (/home/drkirkby/) rather than
>> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices. So I have to navigate to
>> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices each time. It's not a big
>> inconvenience, but I'm wondering why this is. Please see the attachments.
>> The numbers 1, 2 and 3 indicate the order I took the screenshots.
>>
>> Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
>> Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web:
>> https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
>> Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100)
>> Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT.
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Re: [GNC] Why does "Managed Document Link" send me to the wrong directory?

[Alan Hopkins]

Hi David
Merry Christmas.
You change the default attachment location in preferences. You appear to be
changing it as per individual file which is ok if the attachments are all
in different locations

I'm not at my computer right now otherwise I could tell you exactly where

All the best - &  I just love GNC - many many thanks & Merry Christmas to
all the dev's & support people & best wishes for 2023

Cheers
Hop

Sent from my unbelievably smart phone

On Sun, 25 Dec. 2022, 6:20 pm Dr. David Kirkby, <
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm using GnuCash 4.12 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux. When trying to attach a file,
> the GnuCash GUI sent me to $HOME/Downloads. So I changed that to
> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices. However, whenever I try to
> attach a document, it starts from $HOME (/home/drkirkby/) rather than
> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices. So I have to navigate to
> /home/drkirkby/accounts/receipts-and-invoices each time. It's not a big
> inconvenience, but I'm wondering why this is. Please see the attachments.
> The numbers 1, 2 and 3 indicate the order I took the screenshots.
>
> Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
> Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web:
> https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
> Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100)
> Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT.
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[GNC] per diem expenses

[Alan W Jackson]

Hi everyone,

I am new to GNUCASH and am working on my chart of accounts and journals
I am a owner op trucker and work with a single customer for now.
I use the customers credit card for all business expenses such as gas, tolls, 
trailer and truck expenses
Every week I receiver a payment document that details gross revenue, expenses 
down to net bank deposit
My question is how to record the $64/$69 food per day per diem.
The concept is to lower taxable income by the per diem amount, however it does 
not increase salary
So is the debit to per diem expense, the credit to ??
What is GNUCASH recommended approach?
Is this a tax return issue only?


Alan W Jackson
706-816-2452


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

I am running the same as you are on an M1 MacBook Pro

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> On Nov 14, 2022, at 7:07 PM, William Prescott  wrote:
> 
> Christian,
> 
> Are your running 4-12.1 or 4-12.2
> 
> I am running 4-12.1 (Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)) on MacOS Ventura 13.0.1 
> (22A400) with no problems. I have 4-12.2 installed as well but I haven't 
> switched to it. 
> 
> Will
> 
> On Nov 14, 2022, at 17:56, R Losey  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that update.
> 
> I think I'll hold off on doing the update for the time being.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 1:06 PM john  wrote:
>> 
>> It is indeed a Gtk bug,
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5305#note_1592320.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2022, at 7:50 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
>> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm forever locked on Monterey so I can't test, and I don't see that
>> problem with GnuCash, but, I do see it running Firefox on Monterey and
>> Win10, and I get it all over the UI in *buntu based VMs starting with the
>> 22.04 release.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if Firefox uses GTK+ code, but if so (and considering
>> GnuCash & the *buntu distros I tried do so as well) then I'd say it is
>> possibly a GTK bug, not GnuCash.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Adrien
>>> 
>>> On 11/14/22 2:54 AM, Christian Lynbech wrote:
 Anybody here who has experience running Gnucash (4.12) on the newest
 macOS Ventura?
 It basically works, but the UI is a bit wonky. The cursor does not
 update correctly, sometimes you need to click twice or be very carefull
 ot hit the text inside buttons.
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

I can find the account and open it  but I've to sort through the listings of 
all the accounts

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 1:46 pm, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is very odd indeed as now this isn't necessarily a Find Account problem 
> as it is an Accounts Tab problem.
> 
> Does this only happen after doing Find Account?
> 
> Now that you know where the account is, can you open it without doing a Find 
> Account first?
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 11/14/22 12:41 PM, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user wrote:
>> My mistake. I does not open the account it just brings up the account name 
>> then I click to open.
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

My mistake. I does not open the account it just brings up the account name then 
I click to open.

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> On Nov 14, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> It should not open any account. It should show you in the Accounts tab where 
> in the tree, that account exists, with it highlighted. Then you double click 
> or choose Open on the toolbar to open that account register. Odd that it is 
> opening any account at all from the Find window.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On 11/14/22 12:09 PM, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I go to Edit>Find Account and the search window opens. I type in a known 
>> account . It shows that account but when I click to open it, the last 
>> account I had open reappears.
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

I go to Edit>Find Account and the search window opens. I type in a known 
account . It shows that account but when I click to open it, the last account I 
had open reappears.

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> On Nov 14, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> What specifically do you mean by 'work'?
> 
> Does the window not open at all?
> 
> Are you using the Edit menu option, or the keyboard shortcut?
> 
> If the window opens, does it just not find an account you know exists?
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On 11/14/22 9:58 AM, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I can’t get the Find Account to work using Ventura
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

I can’t get the Find Account to work using Ventura

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> On Nov 14, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm forever locked on Monterey so I can't test, and I don't see that problem 
> with GnuCash, but, I do see it running Firefox on Monterey and Win10, and I 
> get it all over the UI in *buntu based VMs starting with the 22.04 release.
> 
> I don't know if Firefox uses GTK+ code, but if so (and considering GnuCash & 
> the *buntu distros I tried do so as well) then I'd say it is possibly a GTK 
> bug, not GnuCash.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On 11/14/22 2:54 AM, Christian Lynbech wrote:
>> Anybody here who has experience running Gnucash (4.12) on the newest
>> macOS Ventura?
>> It basically works, but the UI is a bit wonky. The cursor does not
>> update correctly, sometimes you need to click twice or be very carefull
>> ot hit the text inside buttons.
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[GNC] Save or Backup file

[Alan Fields via gnucash-user]

Is there any way to backup file before I exit software.  I am in the 
process of moving away from Quicken and your software is very impressive.


Thank you,

Alan Fields

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Re: [GNC] Printing/Exporting Invoices to PDF

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hello Waltr
   Choose Print and then print to a file of type pdf.
   Hope that helps
   Alan

   On 14/9/22 01:27, Waltr via gnucash-user wrote:

Dear gnucash users:

I have recently upgraded from 3.11 to 4.11. I have also recently been using the
3.11 Invoice "Export" button to export these invoices to .pdf files.

With the change to 4.11 the program now exports to .html files which cannot be u
sed.

How do I re-configure v4.11 to behave the same way on invoice export or get it t
o permit .pdf exports. We cannot use the .html as it will at least quadruple the
 time to produce a .pdf useable file.
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Re: [GNC] Find

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

Edit>Find Account??

Sent from my iPhone XS

> On Jul 31, 2022, at 11:47 AM, john  wrote:
> 
> No, Edit>Find is not an option for finding an account, nor is it a bug. Read 
> the dialog's title.
> 
> Regasrds,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What version of GnuCash and on what operating system?
>> 
>> I am using Gnucash 11.1 on Mac OS13
>> 
>> The account does appear I the account Tree but it was quicker to find it 
>> using the Find Account feature.
>> 
>> Another option is *from the Accounts tab* use Edit >Find (the plain one, not 
>> Find Account) to search for transactions.
>> 
>> 
>> This does not bring up a list of accounts.
>> There are transactions in the account.
>> I think its a bug.
>>>> On 28 Jul 2022, at 11:45 am, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Somehow Find has stopped working for me. When I select Fins Account from 
>>> the Edit list and type in the Account name it is not found. Any suggestions?
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Re: [GNC] Find

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

What version of GnuCash and on what operating system?

I am using Gnucash 11.1 on Mac OS13

The account does appear I the account Tree but it was quicker to find it using 
the Find Account feature.

Another option is *from the Accounts tab* use Edit >Find (the plain one, not 
Find Account) to search for transactions.


This does not bring up a list of accounts.
There are transactions in the account.
I think its a bug.
> On 28 Jul 2022, at 11:45 am, Alan Magnus via gnucash-user 
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> Somehow Find has stopped working for me. When I select Fins Account from the 
> Edit list and type in the Account name it is not found. Any suggestions?
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[GNC] Find

[Alan Magnus via gnucash-user]

Somehow Find has stopped working for me. When I select Fins Account from the 
Edit list and type in the Account name it is not found. Any suggestions?
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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: GnuCash Windows Bundle 4.11-1 Released

[Alan A Holmes]

I've just installed this latest update, as I do all updates, after return
from holiday. Though the setup.exe is definitely a different size to V4.11,
Help->About gives me exactly the same version number and build date. Is that
what I would expect?


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
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Of John Ralls
Sent: 02 July 2022 21:34
To: gnucash-annou...@lists.gnucash.org
Cc: gnucash-devel ; Gnucash Users

Subject: ANNOUNCE: GnuCash Windows Bundle 4.11-1 Released

This fixes https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798559, Online Actions
missing from menus.

It restores File>Import>MT940 and other SWIFT formats, Actions>Online
Actions, and Tools>Online Banking Setup.

63d98c5873e58191cbac5c6ba4f269528c67911d0d63e2dd114e2f1c12c328a7
gnucash-4.11-1.setup.exe

Downloads:
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/releases/gnucash-4.11-1.setup.exe
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/gnucash/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.11/gnucas
h-4.11-1.setup.exe
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/4.11/gnucash-4.11-1.set
up.exe

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

[Alan A Holmes]

Well spotted Gyle.

 

I've never displayed the Type field, so hadn't noticed that.

 

I've had a little play.

1.  Sort on the Hidden column - Accounts in Assets are sorted by Type,
in order Cash, Asset and then Bank, and then in order within those types.
Imbalance and Orphan are at the bottom of CofA so easy to locate and check
2.  Sort on the Type column - Accounts in Assets are sorted by Type, in
order Asset, Bank and then Cash, and then in order within those types.
Imbalance and Orphan are in CofA immediately after Assets so easy to locate
and check.
3.  Sort on the Account Name column - Accounts in Assets are in order of
name. Imbalance and Orphan come in alphanumeric order, so not so easy to
find and check.

 

As I said earlier I'm not complaining, just making an observation. I sorted
on the Hidden column because of where it put Imbalance and Orphan, and I can
live with the order under the Assets account. Having now tried sorting on
Type I also like that, because of where it puts Imbalance and Orphan.

 

I definitely don't like sorting on Account Name, because of where it puts
Imbalance and Orphan. That was really what I was trying to point out in my
original post, just passing on my experience of how I sort and why, and
noting that this didn't sort the Accounts everywhere. Had Michael Novack not
come in asking "WHAT are you saying, exactly?" I wouldn't have continued the
conversation to show what I was saying.

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Gyle McCollam  
Sent: 13 June 2022 20:10
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

 

Alan,

I noticed that the accounts under assets are not sorted in alpha order when
I assign account codes to the major cats, namely the Assets (1), Liabilities
(2), Equity (3), Income (4), and Expense (5).  I have determined this is due
to the Asset account type being broken down into Assets, Bank, and Cash.
For some reason Cash comes before Asset, which comes before Bank.  I was
thinking it was sorting on Type even though I didn't have "Type" displayed,
but having Cash before Asset types negates that reasoning.

 

Also, wanted to let you know that sorting this way also put the Imbalance
and Orphaned account as the first 2 entries.  I have my accounts filtered by
View/Filter By.../Other and I removed all the check marks.  The accounts
only display when they have a balance, which since they are at the top of
the list really makes them stand out.

 

Thank You,   
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

 <mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> gmccol...@live.com   email

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From: gnucash-user mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail@gnucash.org> > on behalf of
Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk>
>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:12 AM
To: ja...@comcast.net <mailto:ja...@comcast.net>  mailto:ja...@comcast.net> >; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>  mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree 

 

As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gnucash=alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On
Behalf Of
ja...@comcast.net <mailto:ja...@comcast.net> 
Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.  

Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

[Alan A Holmes]

Gyle,

 

As per my 1st reply

 

<< Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.

What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.>>

 

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Gyle McCollam  
Sent: 12 June 2022 17:07
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

 

Alan,

It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the
account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that
from the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as
you don't want to display the full account names.

 

Thank You,   
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

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From: gnucash-user mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail@gnucash.org> > on behalf of
Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk>
>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net <mailto:stepbystepf...@comcast.net>
mailto:stepbystepf...@comcast.net> >;
gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree 

 

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

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From: gnucash-user
mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gnucash=alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On
Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level 
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent 
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those 
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under 
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order. 
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

[Alan A Holmes]

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level 
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent 
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those 
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under 
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order. 
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

[Alan A Holmes]

As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


Alan A Holmes

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 On Behalf Of
ja...@comcast.net
Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.  

Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie

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[GNC] question

[Alan Brinker]

Hi,
I have transferred my account from Quicken to Gnucash and can open it fine but 
I can't find any way to write a check or enter it.  How can I do that or where 
can I find instructions on it.  I am just a basic user with no accounting 
training or experience beyond Quicken.

Alan Brinker 
CEO
Do-I.T. Where Small and Medium Companies Get Big Company IT. 
408 234 5100
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation discrepancies

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Rich,

I had a problem with reconciling just over a year ago. It happened on 2
separate occasions.

My workflow to reconcile on both occasions was :-
1. Open the bank statement, and copy the closing balance.
2. Open the appropriate account in GnuCash.
3. Click the reconcile icon.
4. Enter the Statement Date as the date of the bank statement, and paste
closing balance from 1. Into the ending balance field.
5. Select all the appropriate transactions, checking their values.
6. I'd then find difference, usually several hundred £'s. No missed or
incorrect transactions in GnuCash.
7. Cancel the reconcile.
8. Repeat steps 1-7.
9. Start tearing hair out.
10. Repeat steps 2-3
11. Enter the Statement Date as the date of the bank statement, and type in
closing balance from the bank statement Into the ending balance field.
12. Repeat step 5.
13. Lucky for me rather than unlucky. The account would balance.
Conclusion - Even though the bank account balance I copied and pasted was
the same as I typed in it appears as though something got copied across that
caused the problem. Whether it was an invisible character, or a bad
character, or what, I have no idea.

It only happened the twice. I still follow the workflow in steps 1-5 now,
but don't have the problem is step 5. Any differences I've found was down to
me.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Rich Shepard
Sent: 11 April 2022 22:37
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation discrepancies

Every now and then one of my bank accounts doesn't reconcile because what
the bank shows differs from what GnuCash shows. The amounts are significant.
What puzzles me is that the previous month's balances (bank and GC) match
and so do all the transactions. But, the end of month balances don't match.

Many decades ago a penny or two difference when reconciling a bank account
was common; I assume due to rounding errors. But why it is now more common
(but sporatic) puzzles both me and my banker. We've gone over the
transactions shown by the bank and by GC and neither of us can explain the
discrepancies.

Has anyone an idea of why this happens?

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Shevach,

 

All you’ve done is removed the Start Menu shortcut.

 

If you open File Explorer and navigate to see if you have a folder called 
C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin and within that a file called gnucash.exe. 
If you have then the GnuCash software is installed in the normal default 
location. If not then the location will have been specified by you when you 
installed it.

 

If it is installed on your C: drive then just try double clicking gnucash.exe 
to see if it opens.

 

Let us know what happens.

 

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Shevach Pepper  
Sent: 11 April 2022 16:55
To: Alan A Holmes 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

 

Oops! I think I did something wrong.

I did like you said and I found the shortcut but I didn't go into the 
properties I just deleted it.

Now when I typed in the start menu "gnu" it doesn't show anything.

I tried to reinstall it and I get the same message as before:



 

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 18:21, Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk> > wrote:

Hi Shevach,

 

If you get that message when you try to install V 4.10 then that means the 
system believes V4.8 is already there. 

 

Did you let it try to uninstall GnuCash V4.8? If so what happened?

 

If you cancelled the install of GnuCash V4.10 then if you find the shortcut for 
GnuCash, either on the desktop or under the start menu, look at the properties. 
That will tell you where it was installed.

 

 

 

I have to say that if your data was on the memory card, and you did not have a 
backup, then you’ve likely lost it.

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Shevach Pepper mailto:sheva...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: 11 April 2022 12:43
To: Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk> 
>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

 

Hi Alan,

Wow! Thanks so much for getting back to me.

I have windows 10.

I think I had it all on the memory card since I can't find any files on  my 
computer in File explorer.

This is the message I get when I try to install gnucash4.10 so it looks like I 
had 4.8.



Shevach

 

 

בתאריך יום ב׳, 11 באפר' 2022, 10:27, מאת Alan A Holmes 
‏mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk> >:

Hi Shevach,

What OS and version of OS are you using (I suspect Windows as your using Mail 
for Windows) and what version of GnuCash were you using?

Did you have the GnuCash software installed on the memory card, or the data 
file, or both? The answer and advice may/will be different.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user mailto:alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On Behalf Of Sh. Pepper
Sent: 10 April 2022 11:23
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

   Hello there,

   I have a problem that I had the gnucash installed on a memory card and
   the memory card was lost.

   I tried to reinstall it but I got the following message

   [cid:image001.png@01D84CDE.15C67D10]

   So now I’m stuck I don’t have the old copy and I can’t even start anew.

   Can someone please help me

   Thank you very very much

   Shevach


   Sent from [1]Mail for Windows

References

   1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Shevach,

What OS and version of OS are you using (I suspect Windows as your using Mail 
for Windows) and what version of GnuCash were you using?

Did you have the GnuCash software installed on the memory card, or the data 
file, or both? The answer and advice may/will be different.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  
On Behalf Of Sh. Pepper
Sent: 10 April 2022 11:23
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Problem reinstalling

   Hello there,

   I have a problem that I had the gnucash installed on a memory card and
   the memory card was lost.

   I tried to reinstall it but I got the following message

   [cid:image001.png@01D84CDE.15C67D10]

   So now I’m stuck I don’t have the old copy and I can’t even start anew.

   Can someone please help me

   Thank you very very much

   Shevach


   Sent from [1]Mail for Windows

References

   1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 3.8 Questions

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Hi Lokesh,

Unless you 150% trust your accountant to be honest I'd be reluctant to give
remote access. Many accountants are totally honest, but there are a few,
both self employed and employees of large accountancy companies, that
aren't. You only have to look at how many people are laundering the proceeds
of crime with the help of their accountants!

You could present your accountant with a copy of your GnuCash file and the
software required to look at it, or get your accountant to install the
software and just present them with a copy of your GnuCash file.

I suspect many accountants would be happy to have reports presented to them,
which can be done electronically, that give all the required information. Or
an export from your GnuCash file with the required information, in a format
that can be imported into another tool.

If they're trying to insist you use Xero, or any other specific software for
that matter, I think I'd look for another accountant. They're meant to be
serving you, not the other way around!
And for every one of their customers they manage to transfer to using a
specific software tool they probably get a bung/bonus from that company,
remember what I said about being honest above!


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Lokesh Yagnik
Sent: 07 March 2022 07:57
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 3.8 Questions

Dear all,

I am not an accountant but with the help of the various threads I have
managed to maintain the accounts for myself, my wife and a small business -
three separately.

My Accountant is quite used to using Xero and prefers I change to it. Xero
makes his work flow easier. I understand that.

I have advised that Gnucash is quite capable of handling most things I
require and generating various reports. Accountant is willing to give this a
go after I generated some reports for him and sent screenshots.

Questions
- Can this version (or any version) of Gnucash allow remote access? Or (from
what I think is the case) will just have to allow him to remote log in to my
computer and then look at Gnucash

- Since I was learning, I have resisted the temptation to update to a newer
version of Gnucash. To upgrade, my understanding is that I need to upgrade
each version to the most uptodate stable version.
 As for backing up the current stuff, I will need to back up the various
XYXYXY.gnucash files or does the entire string -
Folder1/folder2/folder3/XYXYXY.gnucash has to be replicated?

thanks in advance

LY
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Re: [GNC] mortgage calculator

[Alan Schold via gnucash-user]

Thanks to you all especially Derek's nice explanation. What I have been 
doing is no real burden, and I suppose I'll just press on until someone 
solves the problem.


On 2/18/2022 12:42 PM, Alan Schold via gnucash-user wrote:
Is there a way to get the mortgage repayment module to account for 
regular extra monthly payments? Now the calculations proceed as if I'm 
just paying the basic mortgage amount, and I have to recalculate the 
principal balance each month. The calculator is only right once!


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[GNC] mortgage calculator

[Alan Schold via gnucash-user]

Is there a way to get the mortgage repayment module to account for 
regular extra monthly payments? Now the calculations proceed as if I'm 
just paying the basic mortgage amount, and I have to recalculate the 
principal balance each month. The calculator is only right once!


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Re: [GNC] newbie question

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Shevach,

I'm not an accountant, and I freely admit I struggle to understand
double-entry book keeping. But I mange to get things sorted, by thinking of
things logically.

Start looking at this from the Cash (In my Pocket) account. You've received
some Income, so put that amount in the Income column, then fill in the
Transfer column for where it's come from, and then the Description Column.
Hit return and the Save.

Now go and look at the Income (n.ya) account. It'll show the amount in the
Income column, because that's what it is, you've received some income, which
you've then "transferred" to "In my Pocket".

I'm sure someone will come along talking about Debit and credit in the
various accounts, but if you look at it logically as it is in the real world
I find it much easier.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Shevach Pepper
Sent: 06 February 2022 20:32
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] newbie question

Hello there,
I have two accounts: income (n.ya.) and cash (my pocket) I got payed $500
from n. ya. and the money is  now in "my pocket".
My problem is when I record in n. ya. charge $500 and in the transfer column
'my pocket" it records it as a "spent" right hand column.
I just can't figure out why it is like this: According to my logic if it
goes out of income then it should be received by "my pocket"
Can someone help me to figure out my mistake?
Thanks a lot
Shevach
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Re: [GNC] Updates

[Alan A Holmes]

You should only have 1 GnuCash file, called “yourname”.gnucash, and lots of 
backup files (“yourname”.mmddhhmmdd.gnucash) and log files 
(“yourname”.mmddhhmmdd.log) in the folder where you originally specified 
they be stored. If you can’t find that do a search on your file system for 
“yourname”.gnucash using File Explorer or the search icon on the taskbar.

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Rhonda Anderson  
Sent: 03 February 2022 16:34
To: Alan A Holmes 
Cc: Derek Atkins ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Updates

 

Thank you Alan.

 

Would I then just choose the most recent GnuCash Financial Data file?  I 
apologize, as I am not a very technical person.

 

Rhonda

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 11:15 AM Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk> > wrote:

Hi Rhonda,

Is this simply an issue with GnuCash not remembering the file/s previously?
If so then you can use File->Open to locate the GnuCash file you want, and
it should then remember it on future occasions.

There have been similar threads recently, and this has usually been the
problem.

Windows programs can/do occasionally forget the list of previously opened
files, if a malware scanning app has been used. Some of these apps can
occasionally clear this type of thing if it's stored in the windows registry
or some easily identified other location.


Alan A Holmes

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From: gnucash-user
mailto:alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On Behalf Of
Rhonda Anderson
Sent: 03 February 2022 14:16
To: Derek Atkins mailto:de...@ihtfp.com> >
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Updates

Is there anyone else out there who can help me with this issue?

Thanks,
Rhonda

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:43 PM Rhonda Anderson mailto:rolen...@gmail.com> > wrote:

> I recently upgraded to Windows 11, but I was having this problem 
> before that.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:30 PM Derek Atkins  <mailto:de...@ihtfp.com> > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, January 28, 2022 12:24 pm, Rhonda Anderson wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > When I have attempted to install the last 3 updates, my data is not 
>> > carrying forward.  It opens as a brand new template, completely blank.
>> I
>> > have to go back and re-install version 4.6.
>> >
>> > Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> What OS/Distro are you using?
>>
>> 4.current should be able to read 4.6 data files just fine.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Rhonda
>>
>> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>
>> -derek
>>
>> --
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Re: [GNC] Updates

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Rhonda,

Is this simply an issue with GnuCash not remembering the file/s previously?
If so then you can use File->Open to locate the GnuCash file you want, and
it should then remember it on future occasions.

There have been similar threads recently, and this has usually been the
problem.

Windows programs can/do occasionally forget the list of previously opened
files, if a malware scanning app has been used. Some of these apps can
occasionally clear this type of thing if it's stored in the windows registry
or some easily identified other location.


Alan A Holmes

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From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Rhonda Anderson
Sent: 03 February 2022 14:16
To: Derek Atkins 
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Updates

Is there anyone else out there who can help me with this issue?

Thanks,
Rhonda

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:43 PM Rhonda Anderson  wrote:

> I recently upgraded to Windows 11, but I was having this problem 
> before that.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:30 PM Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, January 28, 2022 12:24 pm, Rhonda Anderson wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > When I have attempted to install the last 3 updates, my data is not 
>> > carrying forward.  It opens as a brand new template, completely blank.
>> I
>> > have to go back and re-install version 4.6.
>> >
>> > Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> What OS/Distro are you using?
>>
>> 4.current should be able to read 4.6 data files just fine.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Rhonda
>>
>> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>
>> -derek
>>
>> --
>>Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
>>de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
>>Computer and Internet Security Consultant
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] How to handle multiple entries of multiply reconciled entries

[Alan A Holmes]

Hi Jeff,

Did you take a copy of the database before you upgraded to version 4.9. If so 
you could take a copy of this backup and open that in version 4.9, which might 
tell you if the corruption existed before upgrading to version 4.9.

Do you have anyway of finding out which version you had before version 4.9? Was 
it another flatpack version, or was it the version as part of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? 
That version might still be available on your machine, or you could re-install 
that version, which would allow you to look at any backup copy before upgrading 
to version 4.9 in that version to see if the corruption existed.

You could also look at any/all backup copy taken automatically by version 4.9 
to see if the corruption exists. This depends on how many days of backups/logs 
you have specified should be kept in the settings. This might show when the 
corruption first started.

If you can find a backup copy that isn't corrupted then you could start with 
that copy and then either manually enter all transactions since then, or use 
the log files created since then to re-apply a subset of transactions (I think 
I remember a thread somewhere that said you can be selective in which 
transactions to re-apply).


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  
On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: 03 February 2022 07:43
To: Gnucash userlist 
Subject: [GNC] How to handle multiple entries of multiply reconciled entries

How I did this is beyond me, somehow I confused GNC to let it happen or had a 
data corruption when the journal was improperly saved (power outage, GNC lost a 
poker game, thought it was Quirken, etc).  I use uncompressed XML on Ubuntu 
20.04LTS.

I have discovered multiple (dozens) of transactions that are duplicates in 
several registers but; reconciled to the wrong accounts.  I am not sure of the 
easiest and proper way to correct them.

Example of the simplest ones are:  using Check 101, Cash, salary.

01/01/10 chk 101 -> Cash -> chk 101 reconciled

01/01/10 chk 101 -> salary -> salary reconciled

These are posted as 2 entirely separate transactions, in the same register, but 
are supposed to be only one transaction:

01/01/10 chk 101 -> salary -> both reconciled

As a result my current balance is now off by off by over $4,000.

And the real kicker, is that these errors now go back 3 years in this journal.  
I know these errors did not exist prior to FlatPak 4.9, not sure which version 
I upgraded from to 4.9.  Plus they would have shown up when I did reports for 
taxes and income expense statements last year.

Suggestions, besides burning more midnight oil than this old man has left, 
other than to delete all of them and enter all of them correctly as I find 
them.  I'm in tax time crunch here.

--
--JEffrey Black M.B.A.

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Re: [GNC] Period Ends

[Alan A Holmes]

Mike,

If you look back in the archive a few days you will see a discussion title
"Closing Books - Pros & Cons", where this has recently been discussed.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
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Mike Stillingfleet
Sent: 07 January 2022 09:40
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Period Ends

Dear All,

Several years ago I attempted to close off at end of year and it didn't end
well.

I am revisiting this topic and trying to work out if there is any benefit to
it.

1. My period runs 6/4/ to 5/4/ so on a calander basis therefore I
believe I should be choosing relative for period start and period end.

2. I currently have access to all my transactions which is very useful. If I
understand the process correctly to maintain access to these transactions I
need to create separate files for each year prior to doing the period close.
So for future searches I would need to work through several files.

3. If I have set the accounting periods and I have control over the date
ranges in other reports I am not clear as to what advantage I gain by
closing prior periods. When I used Quicken if I remember correctly closing a
period was part of the reconciliation process. However, transactions were
not zeroed as far as I remember and so that could still be viewed.

Any advice / comment would be welcomed. 

-- 
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  mikestillingfl...@fastmail.co.uk
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Re: [GNC] RFE: GnuCash's File> Properties menubar item

[Alan A Holmes]

David,

I don't get that if I right click, in fact I get nothing at all. However if
I left click, i.e. select the file, it does what you say. Do you have your
mouse settings set for a left handed person?


Alan A Holmes

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 On Behalf Of
David H
Sent: 10 November 2021 19:14
To: Geert Janssens 
Cc: Gnucash Users ; Stan Brown

Subject: Re: [GNC] RFE: GnuCash's File> Properties menubar item

It's a little disconcerting that in Win 10, Gnucash 4.8, if you
inadvertently right click (usually right click = context menu) on an mru
entry it immediately closes gnucash and then re-opens initially with an
"unsaved book" in the title and then repaints whatever registers were open
one at a time.  I would think this is a bug?

Cheers David H.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 03:49, Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> Op woensdag 10 november 2021 18:39:02 CET schreef David Carlson:
> > Geert,
> >
> > Wow, I had not noticed that the fully qualified file location 
> > appears in the status bar as you describe!
> >
>
> :)
>
> > Is there some documentation of the properties menu details 
> > discussion
> that
> > you mention?
> >
>
> I'm sorry, I don't remember off-hand where that discussion took place. 
> It could have been on the gnucash-devel mailing list or on a PR on 
> github or even on irc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:19 AM Geert Janssens <
> geert.gnuc...@kobaltwit.be>
> > wrote:
> > > Op woensdag 10 november 2021 15:34:39 CET schreef Stan Brown:
> > > > Why not change the MRU list to show location, not just file name.
> That
> > > > would avoid a lot of confusion for some of us.
> > >
> > > While I know some applications show full path names in their MRU, 
> > > I personally consider that suboptimal. File names can be very long 
> > > which could result in very wide menus. To deal with that some 
> > > applications put the MRU in a secondary menu and/or truncate the 
> > > file names, which IMO partly reduces the usefulness of the full 
> > > file name again.
> > >
> > > For that reason GnuCash has opted to show the full path location 
> > > in the status bar when you hover your mouse over one of the 
> > > history menu items.
> > >
> > > There has been some discussion on adding more details to the 
> > > Properties menu in the past, but there was no consensus so it 
> > > never materialized.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Geert
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Re: [GNC] Updating from v 2.6.16.

[Alan A Holmes]

I would add one thing to David's excellent instructions below. Each time
after upgrading and open a fata file for the first time I would recommend
using Actions->Check & Repair->All transactions. This is just a failsafe in
case there is any problem with a change to the schema.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
davidcousen...@gmail.com
Sent: 04 November 2021 22:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Updating from v 2.6.16.

Mike,

There are three major issues associated with upgrading:

Upgrading the data file format;
Relocation of user preference data/config data (changes of storage location
and methodology; Preserving any saved reports/config changes;

The first two generally take place, if at all at the major version
transitions
2->3->4.

Release numbers are major.minor.micro

The major component of the release number usually flags incompatible
architecture changes, changes to database schema and the API. Minor version
numberssignify stable releases if even and unstable releases if odd. These
are primarily bug fixes and minor feature releases. The micro numbers are
sequential for each release

GnuCash generally includes an inbuilt, run once only procedure to update the
data file format and usually to relocate any config and reports to the new
locations from the last minor release.

Since you ar on Windows, you won't need to build your files the programs.
You can find copies of all releases of GnuCash on SourceForge at this
location
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/.

Before starting it is a very good idea to make backup copies of your data
files,user data, config etc. File locations in GNuCash are discussed on the
wikipage https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations but this is a
fairly complex document as it covers all operating systems and GC versions.

Your data files are located in your user directory where you have chosen to
locate them.

The migration of user preferences, saved reports and online Banking data is
discussed in the wiki at
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html
. 

After making backups the procedure is fairly simple. Install GC V3.11
(download gnucash-3.11.setup.exe from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/3.11/
and run the .exe file to install it as usual on Windows. Open each of your
data files (if you have more than one data file) with the 3.11 version which
will do any necessary datafile modification and shifting of config data etc
to new locations and then save them. Check that all saved reports you use
are listed in the menu and can be used. If not you may need to copy them
from the ~/.gnucash directory specified in the migration wiki above. If
everything is working then you are ready to upgrade to V4. 

If not ask on the User forum for help before proceeding. You shouldn't have
to go back to 2.6 at all at this point, but if you did reinstall V2.6.16 you
would have to restore the data files and config, reports etc form your
backups before opening them.

To go to V4 if there are no problems the procedure is much the same. Make
backups of your data files and the config, reports etc files for V3 as
discussed in
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-migrate-settings.html
.
You shouldn't need these but it never hurts to be careful.

The download the V4 version you wish to install (4.8) and install it. Open
ALL your data files (if more than one) and save them after GC has done any
reuired conversions and migrations). Again check you have all your previous
functionality and that your saved reports are available and functioning.

If all is ok you are good to go at the latest version. If not come back to
the user forum for assistance.
David Cousens


On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 20:58 +, Mike Stillingfleet wrote:
> Good Evening All,
> 
> It would appear that my current version of 2.6.16 is a bit out of date.
> 
> I have been looking at a route to updating. 
> 
> I see that I can download a stable version 3.11 and 4.8.
> 
> My question is can I install all 3 versions at the same time so that I 
> can migrate and check the integrity before moving forward whilst 
> ensuring that I still have a viable system in 2.6.16.
> 
> If so how would I do the install.  I use Windows 10.
> 
> T.i.a

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Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

[Alan A Holmes]

Some while ago Adrien Monteleone went through all the steps necessary to 
upgrade from a very old V2.x of GnuCash to the last V2.y, then to V3.x and then 
to V4.x. I've just had a quick look at the archives but can't find it. Perhaps 
someone can find it more easily, or perhaps Adrien himself can point to it.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  
On Behalf Of Mike Stillingfleet
Sent: 02 November 2021 19:32
To: David Carlson 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Export Current Search

Ah OK. It would appear that I might be a little out of date. If I up date will 
my data be safe??

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 7:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> You stumped the experts and the rest of us too.  Nobody remembers whether 
> that option was available that long ago.   You would have a rather long 
> migration path to the current release of 4.8 or so, depending on whether you 
> have data files and reports to update too.  
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:44 PM Mike Stillingfleet 
>  wrote:
>> __
>> 2.6.16 windows 10.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:39 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>>> John asked "What version of
>>> > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?"
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 1:24 PM Mike Stillingfleet 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 6:18 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>> > Is a register page displayed in the main window? What version of 
>>>> > GnuCash and what operating system/distro?
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > John Ralls
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Nov 2, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Mike Stillingfleet 
>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> OK well I am afraid that I do not see that on my GNUCASH.  
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>>> >>> No, the Help is literally correct: There is a menu item "Export 
>>>> >>> Current Register to CSV..." but *only* if a register tab has focus.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Regards,
>>>> >>> John Ralls
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Mike Stillingfleet 
>>>> >>>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> OK so the option  export transactions is what the help is referring 
>>>> >>>> to? 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:48 PM, john wrote:
>>>> >>>>> No, Help is correct. As David pointed out that item is presented 
>>>> >>>>> only if the current active tab is a register.
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>> John Ralls
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 1:28 AM, Mike Stillingfleet 
>>>> >>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Michael.  This works. So the help files for GNUcash which 
>>>> >>>>>> show the fourth option no longer apply.
>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Nov 2021, at 07:31, Mike Stillingfleet 
>>>> >>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear GNUCash Forum,
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> Firstly I how that I have posted this correctly.
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> I have read in the GNU Cash help that if I have focus on the 
>>>> >>>>>>>> current search I should see 4 export options and one of those 
>>>> >>>>>>>> will be File->Export->Export Active Register to CSV.
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not have that option.
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this something that has been removed?
>>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>>> How else could I export the current search?
>

Re: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..)

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi Doug
   Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user!
   I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!)
   - I haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in
   the Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin
   year) and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting
   Period) to the correct dates.  I will need to change that for this fin.
   year (and those that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't
   see that as problem.
   Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and
   then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has
   the default settings you want.
   But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user!
   My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a
   terrific resource!!
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote:

Hi,
 has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window?
 Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30
June.

 I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defa
ults.

 I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for y
ears & love!)

regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!)
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Re: [GNC] Tax and Budget Reporting

[Alan Hopkins]

   Hi there
   I may not have fully understood but you just run a transaction report
   on your bank accounts (select you bank accounts in Options)?  That will
   give you deposits & withdrawals including tax.  If you want to know the
   totals for specific accounts (eg donations) you can just filter that
   report by using the account filter in the options box.
   I hope that helps.
   Cheers
   Hop

   On 6/10/21 23:14, GnuCash Charity User wrote:

Sorry if I wasn't clear, don't need to budget for taxes themselves, but
taxes included in line X. So if I budget $150, that's including tax paid,
hence want ability to report combined.

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 01:32, flywire [1] wrote:


Your reports show Expense:X and Asset:Tax Collected (but not reimbursed).
Why do you want to budget for tax if it is reimbursed with a net cost of
zero?


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[GNC] Monterey

[Alan Magnus]

Will the latest build of Gnucash run on the forthcoming Apple Monterey?
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