Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Monday, February 03, 2003 4:03 PM On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha wrote: At least up to mid-1940s the birth registries in Goa used to specify the race. I have with me a xerox copy of a birth registry of 1920 which mentions of white race (de raca branca in Portuguese) and another of 1944 which mentions of Indo-Aryan race (de raca indo-ariana). Jorge, Out of curiosity, were these the only two classifications available to the registrars when it came to race? Also, was there any criteria to determine race or merely skin color? -Tariq Tariq, I'm afraid I don't know if there were other classifications nor what were the criteria followed to determine the race. I think that for the registrars all Goans were white or Indo-Aryans. I wonder however whether they classified differently the Kunnbis who are usually thought to be the autochthons of Goa and of Dravidian stock. Jorge
Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Prof. Bryan Sykes at Oxford University has identified a total of 36 groups or clans, each representing a single female ancestor through a direct maternal line. A mitochondrial DNA sequencing will determine your maternal clan. Likewise a Y-chromosone analysis will determine your paternal lineage. A study of randomly selected individuals in a localized population -like Goa - would be interesting. Check www.oxfordancestors.com for more details. The book by Prof. Sykes entitled The Seven Daughters of Eve gives more details. T.D'Silva __ on 02/04/2003 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- In a message dated 02/03/2003 1:18:42 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of curiosity, were these the only two classifications available to the registrars when it came to race? Also, was there any criteria to determine race or merely skin color? My first US Driving License listed my Race as Code '2' The Race/Color Code (listed on the reverse of the driving license): 1. Black, Colored, American Negro 2. White Caucasian, Asiatic Indian (Natives of India and some Arab countries) 3. Mongloid, Oriental Asiatic 4. Mongloid, American Indian Such documents, as Goa's birth registries, can barely identify one's roots. They are designed to serve an intended purpose. And the old era changes, yielding place to new. Meticulous research is needed to delve into family history and available records for developing a family tree. And a continuity commitment is essential to justify such an effort. Colo(u)r, like beauty, is only skin deep. Caste and race, just as blinders, obfuscate the real life situation. It is who or what we are that make our mark in history! Proud to be a Goan: Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA
Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha wrote: At least up to mid-1940s the birth registries in Goa used to specify the race. I have with me a xerox copy of a birth registry of 1920 which mentions of white race (de raca branca in Portuguese) and another of 1944 which mentions of Indo-Aryan race (de raca indo-ariana). Jorge, Out of curiosity, were these the only two classifications available to the registrars when it came to race? Also, was there any criteria to determine race or merely skin color? -Tariq -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! ***
Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- In a message dated 02/03/2003 1:18:42 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of curiosity, were these the only two classifications available to the registrars when it came to race? Also, was there any criteria to determine race or merely skin color? My first US Driving License listed my Race as Code '2' The Race/Color Code (listed on the reverse of the driving license): 1. Black, Colored, American Negro 2. White Caucasian, Asiatic Indian (Natives of India and some Arab countries) 3. Mongloid, Oriental Asiatic 4. Mongloid, American Indian Such documents, as Goa's birth registries, can barely identify one's roots. They are designed to serve an intended purpose. And the old era changes, yielding place to new. Meticulous research is needed to delve into family history and available records for developing a family tree. And a continuity commitment is essential to justify such an effort. Colo(u)r, like beauty, is only skin deep. Caste and race, just as blinders, obfuscate the real life situation. It is who or what we are that make our mark in history! Proud to be a Goan: Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA
Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Dear Martin, You may find the answer at the Central Library and the Historical Archives of Goa, both at Panjim and with Fr. Pratap Naik, who is based in Porvorim, Goa and is part of the Thomas Stevens Konkani Kendre, which researches Konkani. Other books of interest a) History of Christians in Coastal Karnataka (Origin, development of Christian Settlement) by Pius Fidelis Pinto 71 pages b) The Christian impact of South Kanara (1999) by Dr. Kranti Farias c) Saraswati's Children - Alan Machado (Prabhu), who calls the christian community a fusionof two important historical and cultural elements - their Aryan inheritance from their original home on the banks of the Saraswati river, and their Lusitanian legacy following the Portuguese conquest of Goa and the conversion to Catholicism Researches who have worked on these books have found useful source of information at the above library and Archives.nbsp; I hope you too will find the answers N.B. This info was passed to me by a friend, who had seen an article on the Herald dated 17-04-2001 titled Goa's lost children look back at their roots .from Mangalore by Frederick Noronha; would like to have a copy of these books and wonder if goanet could help in finding outnbsp;in which bookshop they are available. Val
Re: [GOANET] Family-tree information
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Hi Maarten, At least up to mid-1940s the birth registries in Goa used to specify the race. I have with me a xerox copy of a birth registry of 1920 which mentions of white race (de raca branca in Portuguese) and another of 1944 which mentions of Indo-Aryan race (de raca indo-ariana). Jorge - Original Message - From: Maarten en Els [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: [GOANET] Family-tree information Now I have another question. A few weeks ago one of my cousins told me that a birth certificate seemed to proove: that we are descendants from Aryans that means converts from the Hindus many many years back. The Hindus are descendants from Aryans and Dravidians , we belong to the Aryan group. Does anyone know how an ordinary birth certificate can proove this??? All the best, Martin Van Camp, the Goan-rooted Belgian
