[Goanet]NEW YEAR WISHES FROM FLORIDA,USA
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- === A HEALTHIER, SAFER AND HAPPIER 2004 === What would convey the flavor of Florida more than the following scene? As seen from the edge of the fenceless parking lot of my office. Alligators of various sizes (the closest one being about 20 feet away) from the adjacent, gigantic retention pond rest motionless as they soak up the early morning sun after a unusually cold night. None of the reptiles however, expressed the slightest interest whatsoever in attempting to make a sumptuous meal out of this portly, over-inquisitive photographer. http://www.geocities.com/bohuroopi/KSCgator01ASIT.JPG === Asit K. Ghosh Rockledge, Florida __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RE: SURNAMES contd...
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:21:12 +0100, "Alfred de Tavares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pls add two more: Sorry Bachico; sorry Fancun... Don't see how you escaped the my net so far! SARDINHA, BRANCO, BOAVENTURA Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]SGPIAG's WISH LIST for 2004 - CHECK SALE OF LIQOUR
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:32:22 + (GMT), "President\(sgpiag\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the coming year 2004 we at SOUTH GOA PUBLIC INTEREST ACTION GROUP a regd NGO based in Margao with jurisdiction in the entire South Goa Parliamentary Constituency plead to the Government of Goa to ensure that from this Year onwards, let the Goa Excise Duty Act & Rules 1964 be implemented in letter and spirit with a view to ensure that the youth and able bodied citizens do not fall prey to the ill-effects of consuming alcohol. The Government should put a ban on opening new Bars who take licences as Restaurant and Bars but conduct no activities of Restaurants. If there is a need to plug this loop-hole the Government should whet the Rules or alternatively the Government should consider separate taxation to those whose turnover shows that they vend alcohol exclusively though having a licence of a Restaurant. The amendments carried out in 2001 enhancing the fines are welcome and so also the other measures to plug tax evasion. It should also review the functioning of Bars near religious places of worship and educational institutions. In the past three years we have visited almost every village in South Goa and found that alcohol consumption has become rampant among youth and men. This is the complaint of several women and men as well. It is most unfortunate that in underveloped Talukas the problem is grave. and also among the tribals and middle class. The proliferation of Tavernas and Bars specially where migrant workers are found has also led to the ruination of families. On every street and corner one finds drunken men fallen on the street this gives a bad name to this State . Though we accept that drinking is not a taboo it has been imbibed in moderation since pre- Liberation. One of the major violation observed is that though: No licenced vendor or manufacturer and no person in the employ of a vendor or a manufacturer and acting on his behalf shall sell or deliver any "excisable article" or foreign liquor a) to any person apparently under the age of 21 years or b) to any person of unsound mind. and there is also a provision that liquor outlets are are not permitted to vend alcohol before 11.00 a.m. and after 11.00 p.m. and on days when they are notified as prohibited the licenced vendor can also restrict the sale of liqour to those that consume beyond the limits Yet one sees gross violation of the above rules. It would therefore be advisable that the Chief Minister of Goa directs the Excise Officials to conduct stringent checks within their jurisdiction and check the menance. One way for the public to detect Bars or liquour outlets violating the laws would be to ensure that the Excise Licence be prominently displayed on the hoardings. The CM could also provide a Helpline to women who are victims of the alcohol malaise, as often it is the cumbersome procedure to book an offender that has been the cause of rampant violations. We also desire that all liquour advertisments be removed forthwith and advertising in any form specially for sports , educational and cultural functions be banned. We at SGPIAG will extend our full co-operation in achieving this objective to UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW & IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE OF GOA. Let those who vend liquor also realise their social responsibility to Society. WISHING YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR. 2004 Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT (SGPIAG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit our weblink http://Mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goenchem Prize webpage up and running
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:40:13 +0530, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Check it out at: http://www.goa-world.com/goenchemprize/index.htm Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Gomant Vishwa Sammelan
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:36:45 +0530 (GMT+05:30), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Floriano, Thank you for your message and New Year greetings, which are heartily reciprocated! I am glad and relieved to learn that your accident was not a very serious one and that you are back in harness. As I mentioned in one of my posts, no one (least of all the organisers!) can guarantee that the Gomant Vishwa Sammelan will turn out to be a success, but the effort would at least have been worthwhile because I feel the objective is a worthy one. Regards, ---Tony. Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Surnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:21:05 -, "ferros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is my surname that is not on your list FERROS Stephen Ferros Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Full text of Dr Helekar's Introductory Speech to the Goenchem Prize
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:00:44 -0800 (PST), Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I assume that all those on the selection Committee and the presenters like Dr. Basilio Monteiro have given up their religious beliefs which are basically superstitions and myths, as well as devotion to religious idols and icons, not to mention the campaigns of disinformation on matters like miracles. Filomena --- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > INTRODUCTIONS > By > Santosh A. Helekar > > > Honorable chief guest, guests of honor, ladies and gentlemen, > My name is Santosh Helekar, and I am delighted and honored to be in > your presence this evening at this inaugural award ceremony of the > Goenchem Prize for the promotion of public honesty, Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Surnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:48:28 +0530, Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These are some of the goan surnames which come to my mind: Albuquerque (correct spelling) Miranda Nazareth Mascarenhas (correct spelling) Torcato Sa Coelho Pinho Velho Diniz Wishing everyone a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: of all the surnames in GOA !!!!!!!!!
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:15:45 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travas Happy holidays to Goanetters headed HOME !! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Learning Post
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Subject: Learning post. Hi Filomena: Don't you think it would have been more intellectual for you to have written (at least one good reason) why it is difficult for Goans to have a chief guest at their functions? Rather you chose to give an inflammatory response. For your information all Goan functions in Bombay (during my days) had chief guests. Your post was quite un-lady-like for a Goan lady!!! Wish you and your family a Happy New Year. Regards, Gilbert ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Pls fill in
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Goan doubble-barelled monickers A: Abreu Lobo, Abreu Noronha, Araujo Mascarenhas, Ataide Lobo B: Barreto Miranda, Barreto Xavier, Braganca Pereira, Bruto da Costa C: Cabral e Sa, Cota Carvalho, Correia Afonso, Cotta Cruz, Costa Bir, Costa Pereira, Cruz Fernandes D: (--?) dos Reis E: Egipsy Sousa, Elvino de Sousa F: Filomeno Figueiredo G: Gama Pinto, Gomes Pereira, Gouveia Pinto, Gracias Flor H: I: J: K: L: Leao(?) Pinto, Lima Fernandes, Lima Leitao, Lopes Pereira, Loyola Furtado M: Martins dos Barros, Martins Fernandes, Matias Menezes, Matos Sequeira, Menezes de Braganca, Messias Gomes, dosMilagres Monteiro, Monte da Silva N: Noronha Ferreira O: Osorio Saldanha P: Pacheco Figueiredo, Peres da Costa, Pinto Menes, Pinto Rosario, Prazeres da Costa, Proto Barbosa, -- (Cant recall his first handle) Proencas Q: R: -- dos Reis S: Santa Rita Vaz, da Santana Silva, Santimano Fernandes, Seco Sousa, Sequeira Lobo, Socrates da Costa, Sousa Ferrao T: Teles da Silva, Telo(?) Mascarenhas, Tovar Dias U: V: de Vasconcelos e Cunha, Vaz e Lima, Veiga Coutinho, Vila Nova X: Xavier Fernandes Y: Z: _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Learning Post
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Response: George, what I wrote, and you rightly quoted, has been done by "Goans to help other Goans" and it has worked very well. Perhaps you missed the posting of the St. Xavier's feast by the New York City Goans and the speech by their chief guest Ralph D'Souza. The speech by the chief Guest was also posted on the GoaNet and it was an excellent speech. Pity you may have missed it. Goans complain that most of our get-together are tamashas and when suggestions and example are given, they are ? overlooked. Happy New Year. Regards, GL From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rather than posting speeches, better to post what Goans do to help other Goans. This way we can have some successful ideas which other diasporic [sic] Goans can implement. --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a good example, on this and other networks we have made several > calls, indeed pleas for Goan social events this season to have a Goan > chief guest and to post their speech on the Goan cyber space. We have > not received even one such posting. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Happy New Year
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Hello Everyone, Wishing you all a Very Happy NEW YEAR 2004. May God shower his blessing on each one of us and our families and May our dreams come true. Cheers All Wilson Soares Calgary Canada __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goan Catholic surnames & Churchill Jokes
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Since this sudden interest in compiling a list of Goan Catholic surnames has come up on GoaNet I would like to share a few (rather juvenile) Goan surname jokes that were popular in the late nineteen eighties. These jokes are much better in proper spoken narration than in writing. It's all in the telling, with the correct emphasis. What do you call a Goan who farts softly? Disouza! What do you call a Goan who farts loudly? Ferrnandes! What do you call a Goan who just stepped into some bullshit? Paheco! etc. There are many more in a similar thread which I don't remember, because they were rather trite. -- These surname jokes faded out of popularity with the evolution of Churchill Jokes in the early nineteen nineties. Everyone knows "On what grounds. On Fatorda Grounds of course!" and "I'm not joking! I'm Churchill. Joaquim is my brother!". But there are some rare gems on this series that are not so well known. For example this classic below which will only be understood by people knowing Konkani and actual life in Goa very well: - Churchill is being interviewed on Goa Doordarshan. "Sir, what is your opinion on Youth and Society in Goa?" "Amche tornate Goenchen nav voir kaddtat. Te khuimcheai sportsan vantto gheun inam joddtat. Ani shikpak... ani sogglech toren bori asat. Society? Societichem uloich naka! Tanu melona, sakor melona..." More details will be made available in my upcoming book "Humour Trends in Post Liberation Goa". Contributions and suggestion welcome. Cecil == ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Homo v/s Homo
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Yesterday's Herald (30th Dec. 2003) had a screaming headline on an inside page and a large article on how "Homos" from all over the world were making a bee line to Goa for the New Year celebrations. Whether or not this may be true, it is definitely impolite to use the word 'homo' to describe 'homosexuals' or 'gays' Below is an educative article on the issue. Cecil Homosexuals and Homo Sapiens: A Formal Confusion By Phil Baldi, Pennsylvania State University Well, here's a pair of terms that are sure to be confusing to a lot of people, namely the "homo" of "homosexual" and the "homo" of "homo sapiens". The word "homosexual" of course means 'someone who shows feelings for someone of the same sex'. It is first attested with this meaning in English around the turn of the century. It is coined from two classical roots: the Greek form "homo-", which is an adjective meaning 'same', found also in forms such as homogeneous and homonym, and the Latin root "sexus", which means 'male or female sex, gender'. So, homo-sexual literally means 'of the same sex or gender'. In principle, the term "homosexual" is indifferent to gender (that is, you can have male and female homosexuals), though current usage seems to favor members of the masculine gender. The "homo-" part of "homosexual" can be used alone as "homo", a derogatory shortening of the full form "homosexual" which has been in use since the 1920's. So here's where it gets interesting...the "homo" of "homo sapiens" is a Latin word meaning 'human being, man' (in the general sense), recoverable in English "homicide" and "hominid". "Sapiens" is a Latin word meaning 'wise' or 'knowing'. The "homo" of "homo sapiens" has absolutely no connection historically with the "homo-" of homosexual (in fact, the Latin form "homo" is ultimately related to the word "humus" earth, so that a "homo" to the Romans was a kind of 'earthling'). A "homo sapiens" is a "wise human", that is, modern man, while a homosexual is someone who has feelings for members of the same sex. But the two words seem to be linked for many people, who don't distinguish between the two distinct (Greek and Latin) classical traditions. This may explain why the derogatory word "homo" is generally applied to males and not to females, since "male" seems to be the normal interpretation attached to "man", and why the term "homophobe" seems to mean 'fear of homosexuals' for some people, but 'fear of humans' for others. But in historical, etymological reality, the two "homos" have no connection whatsoever. Source: http://www.yourdictionary.com, === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Bombay Katlics - please give due credit
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Werner, This article below on "Bombay Katlics", which you have sent to GoaNet, was written by Ms. Joan Pinto for the Times of India, Mumbai about two years back. She is very rarely given credit for this hilarious piece despite it doing the rounds of the Net so often. Joan is an accomplished writer and a sort of e-friend of mine. We correspond but have never met. Joan suffers from a rare disease called 'kodakaphobia'. It is but fair that she be given due credit whenever her fantastic article is quoted. Joan can be e-mailed at Regards Cecil === Message: 6 From: "Werner Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:47:31 +0530 Organization: work Subject: [Goanet]Nice one Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SHE'S A KATLIC, MEN! Thou shalt drink Thou shalt jive' If there were commandments requiring you to be a 'Katlic', those would be the first two. 'What to do, men?', I always find myself facing people who exclaim "What, Men! you don't drink! What kind of Katlic are you?' (As though the Pope decreed it) . Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:40:14 -0500 To: "Werner Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Venantius J Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Nice one_Of a Katlic Mien_or Katlic Disposition Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wener Fernandes, I cherish the end of your post. It says a lot of the lot of us Goans. (The Katlic male anthropos) "simply play hockey or football till they die!!!." === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Let's have some humanity here
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Ms. Pereira, Though I agree with your sentiments about the Red Light area in Baina being an eyesore and a nuisance to decent and law abiding citizens of the area, I beg to differ on certain finer points you have raised. - "Flush them out and they will fend for themselves. I pass this area every day on my way to work and it makes me sad. " I don't quite get this. Are you sad for the prostitutes who are forced to sell their body to make a living? Or for yourself and the other locals who have to put up with the nuisance? I suspect it is the latter since you want to "flush them out". Do you think this is a humane approach? - "We watch them in buses/ eating houses/ beauty saloons." So perhaps they should not be allowed to use public transportation, eat in public restaurants and enter beauty saloons? Reminds me of South Africa. Or was it the medieval 'untouchability' system? - "A group of them even enter the church and walk up the aisle ,in the middle of the service and begin venerating the images around. " Surely the local priest can stop this disturbing practice. But I hope you are not suggesting that they now not be allowed in the Church to pray - as long as they do it respectfully and reverently? Turning away the faithful is against the teachings of the Catholic faith - I think. - "We could help with some monetary assistance but let them go." This is a positive sign. But I doubt some small monetary assistance will alleviate their loss at losing their right to pursue their livelihood. A more practical solution would perhaps be proper relocation and rehabilitation. They are human beings too. Flushing them away, physically or with money, will mean just putting your dirt into the neighbour's backyard. A bigger perspective of the problem is required. Cecil === Message: 6 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:48:59 +0530 From: Wilma Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: Baina cutting off victims Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Zarine Chinvala I understand your concern for the inmates of Baina Red-light area But May I offer my views .Being a Goankar of this area I am thoroughly disgusted to have such an area in our locality .It is a temptation not only for Tourists but our growing children and not so young husbands ,The growing number of AIDS cases reported daily is shocking and life threatening to the locals too. As a teacher in a nearby school I hate to state that many of our students have fallen prey . Recently, while on a National seminar in Rasjasthan I was quizzed mainly on this area by my curious colleagues. I realized to my horror that this area has given us Goons a cheap image (although most of the prostitutes are non -Goons ). It's been years we've been hoping and praying for this area to be wiped out. Private is no excuse for ruining our children / homes and threaten our health. I congratulate the Present Government and the Police force .,for taking a tough stand. In the past, corrupt politicians supported them for their votes . Flush them out and they will fend for themselves. I pass this area every day on my way to work and it makes me sad. We watch them in buses /.eating houses/ beauty saloons .A group of them even enter the church and walk up the aisle ,in the middle of the service and begin venerating the images around. We could help with some monetary assistance but let them go. Ms Pereira = ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]NEW YEAR.s GREETING
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- WISHING ONE AND ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR 2004 LET US DEDICATE OURSELVES TO MAKE GOA A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN GODFREY J. I. GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Common ward names in Goan villages
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- In Aldona and in Calangute there is a Naikawado. Origins rather obvious. Same with very common ward names like Siqueira Vaddo, Cruz Waddo etc. And many villages have a Gaunsavaddo where most of the Gaunkars of the village originate from. Same with Bammonvaddo. But what about Quitula, Bhatlem, Maddel and similar ward names that are quite common? Would appreciate if anyone who knows a rare ward name, that exists in at least TWO villages, would post the same. I can then compile a list and approach some experts for the Origins and Meanings of these ward names. This is part of a larger study Eng. Jose Lourenco (of Amazing Goa fame) and myself are undertaking on the evolution, and stratification of wards, within Goan villages through history. Cecil == ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re. Diaspora
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Rico and all, religion is not the only reason for migrations as I already mentioned in the case of Goan Christians who migrated to Karnataka in the 16th-17th centuries They could not accept the western dress and food habits imposed upon them by the Goa Inquisition. They still refer to cow meat as *vhoddleachem* (will some Mangalorean confirm it?) for not using the word *cow* out of respect. Eating cow-meat is one of the things they could not admit. Many left Goa due to increasing land taxation. The Portuguese were in the habit of raising land taxation every time they needed some more money for their war budget! In the neighbouring kingdoms there was was policy of attracting cultivators by freeing them from any land tax during the first 25 years! Even Shivaji had this practice. It is not surprising therefore if money-conscious Mangaloreas moved out from Goa! This is not casting any aspersions upon them. Even some branches of my own family from Divar moved out to Mangalore and later to Calicut, to Calcutta and now to Delhi! Migrations have other most unexpected motives. Jesuits had missions in Karnataka, and some Jesuit parish priests who had been in parishes of Salcete (Goa) took with them their sacristans and cooks when they were posted to Karanata (then called Kanara) missions. To the best of my knowledge the families of Frs. Pratap Naik and Mathew Almeida of TSKK belong to this type of migration. Wishing an excellent New Year to all goanetters, Teotonio R. de Souza Frederick wrote: Religion isn't the only, or even the main, reason for people to migrate out of Goa. If at all, it has played a minor part. The migration of Goan Christians in Portuguese colonial times itself to places like Mangalore and other parts of the Canara coast is something that we perhaps need to understand better. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Sports: Victories
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Victories [ TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30, 2003 02:08:49 AM ] Finally, the upper hand India capped a sparkling display in the year with three successive wins over Pakistan, unprecedented in over five decades of bitter hockey rivalry. Four tournament wins out of six, the last two coming after rousing victories in September's Asia Cup in Kuala Lumpur and the inaugural Afro-Asian Games in Hyderabad a month later, ups India's stocks ahead of an early meeting at the Azlan Shah Cup in Ipoh, Malaysia, in January, and the Olympic qualifiers in Madrid. From Johannesburg to Adelaide Indian cricket accomplished two major highs in 2003. The first one was reaching the World Cup final. The second: Taming the Aussies in the Adelaide Test. The Indians played spectacular cricket in the World Cup and clicked brilliantly as a unit, until it all evaporated in the final against the Aussies. The Adelaide coup, on the other hand, saw the same Aussies lose their strong grip on the Test, for once. And India, to their great credit, took advantage and scripted a win which was more than a Test victory. East (Bengal) is best Indian soccer created a stir when East Bengal tamed Thailand's Bec Tero to win the prestigious Asean Cup in Jakarta. It was a coup beautifully plotted by their coach Subhas Bhowmick. He planned everything to perfection, with South African physio Kevin Jackson making the players eat aerobics for breakfast and the officials not throwing their weight around. Many may disagree, but the 3-1 win ranks as the country's most memorable win, as they became the first Indian club to win a tournament overseas. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Diaspora - We Need Another Word
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- I agree with Teotonio R. DeSouza and other readers that the word Goan Diaspora has a negative connotation, It brings to mind a similarity to the Jewish Diaspora arising from progroms, while indeed no such historical similarity exists. Goan emigration through the ages has been mainly an economic one. I say mainly because there have been other sub elements like political oppression, desire to escape from caste and religious prejudices, family disgrace and other minor reasons. Therefore what word would adequately describe this mass movement. Is it the "Goan Dispersal"? That would not do factual or romantic justice. For one, "dispersal" would be a connotation for being blown away but would not adequately describe the gathering together again of Goans in such large numbers as in the UK, Canada, and the USA, not to mention the temporary repopulation in the Gulf countries. For another, the word 'Dispersal' is decidedly plain. Would our wordsmiths put their brains in high gear and come up with a single word that could, like Churchill's Iron Curtain and Nehru's Third World, in context, do justice to the Goan Diaspora? Oliver (Bill) Seixas ___ Dreaming of a Swiss Account? Get it here: http://freemail.swissinfo.org ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Fw: [Goanet]Re: Baina cutting off victims
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Wilma Some of the sex workers from Baina have now shifted to Zuarinagar. This for information only. simon Subject: [Goanet]Re: Baina cutting off victims > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > Dear Zarine Chinvala > I understand your concern for the inmates of Baina Red-light area But May I > offer my views .Being a Goankar of this area I am thoroughly disgusted to > have such an area in our locality .It is a temptation not only for Tourists > but our growing children and not so young husbands ,The growing number of > AIDS cases reported daily is shocking and life threatening to the locals > too. As a teacher in a nearby school I hate to state that many of our > students have fallen prey . Recently, while on a National seminar in > Rasjasthan I was quizzed mainly on this area by my curious colleagues. I > realized to my horror that this area has given us Goons a cheap image > (although most of the prostitutes are non -Goons ). It's been years we've > been hoping and praying for this area to be wiped out. Private is no excuse > for ruining our children / homes and threaten our health. I congratulate the > Present Government and the Police force .,for taking a tough stand. In the > past, corrupt politicians supported them for their votes . > Flush them out and they will fend for themselves. I pass this area every day > on my way to work and it makes me sad. We watch them in buses /.eating > houses/ beauty saloons .A group of them even enter the church and walk up > the aisle ,in the middle of the service and begin venerating the images > around. We could help with some monetary assistance but let them go. > > Ms Pereira ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goan Sirnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- The list does not include Machado,Monteiro,Jaques,Zuzarte However I couldnt think of any with I,J,K,O,U,W,X andY...JEG ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goans in Pakistan
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Hello Fred, The article "Goans in Pakistan... looking ahead" by Menin Rodrigues provided on Goacom website is wonderful and well balanced with a lot of factual information. In our City of Calgary, Alberta, Canada, we have many individuals, South Asian in appearance, who have family last names similar to Goans but refuse be part of the Goan community and refer to themselves as Canadian Oriental Christians and their Association as CANORIENT. I have often wondered who they are and how they came by such last names. While not related to Goa is it possible to provide us similar information (or a reliable website) on "Managloreans". I feel, I can then confidentially inform my children on these neighbours that will not allow us as Christians tolerate the other. Thank you for your assistance Caetano de Menezes e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Sports: The top 50 sports people
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- The top 50 sports people By Jon Anderson December 31, 2003 WHAT criteria do you use when asked to name the top 50 sports-people in the world? Recent brilliance? Marketing appeal? Longevity? Total domination? Sportsmanship? Or a ranking based on the numbers who play a particular sport? For me it was all of the above, plus a lot of reading, research and phone calls to catch up with overseas performances in 2003. I do not put this up as a definitive list, more as one person's view on the respective capabilities of our greatest. Clearly Tiger Woods wasn't as dominant in 2003 as past years - he didn't win a major - yet the overall package is still high on my list. Soccer star Zinedine Zidane has to be ranked very high, given he is considered the best player in the world's biggest sport. Then you have to try to rate a one-legged athlete such as Marlon Shirley, against a sprinter such as Maurice Greene. I don't expect everyone to agree with my selections. But, for better or worse, here's my Top 50 sportspeople as they stand at the end of 2003. Fully Article at: http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,8291263-26099,00.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]NOVEA VORSACHO NICHEU - ek kovita
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Mojea mogall vachpeanom, Krist Joyontichea somoiear anvem moji kovita dhaddleli "KHUXEAL NATALAM", aunddeon tumkam sogleank Khuxealbhorit Natalamchi porob. Atam Novem Voros umbrear paulem, tor Novea Vorsant bhitor sortanam, aum tumkam bhettoitam him moji dusri kirkoll kovita "NOVEA VORSACHO NICHEU" anink aunddetam tumkam anink tumche familik ek Dhadosbhorit anink xeantikaiechem Novem Voros 2004. Wishing you all a very Happy and prosperous New Year 2004. Best regards, Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA) NOVEA VORSACHO NICHEU Kela anvem nicheu Mojem tondd bond dorunk Dolle dourun ugtte Mojim soglim kamam korunk Konneim kiteim mhunnot Hea kananim aikotolom Tonddantlean bhair ghalchonam Moje bhitoruch jiroitolom Uzvo hath dita tem Davea hatak kollchenam Moje motin assam kitem Sumar konak mellchonam Kal passun ghoribak Adhar korit ailam Pun ghorib zaun ghirest Visorloi aplim pallam Pun tankam lagun oso Kiteak boldum mojem jinnem? Moji vatt aum cholot rautolom Kortolom jem korchem assam anvem Deva, hea novea vorsak Zaum dhi moji jinn ek vat Ji dusreak uzvadd dhiun Koddot veta akhi rat Anink tea uzvaddantlean Fankom sovostkaiechim kirnnam Hea novea vorsak eukar ditanam Hinch zaun assant mojim prarthnam ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet](no subject)
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Frederick, Re info below, I wonder if you can fill me in on whether it is true that India expelled some pro-Portuguese people from Goa at the time of Liberation? Thanks, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:55 2003 > >factors. In the case of Goans incidentally, Hindu > >Goans were persecuted and went into exile under the > >Portuguese Inquisition. > > --- > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:59 2003 > >Thanks to Teo for the above link. In regard to Goans > >living overseas and especially soon after the invasion > >of Goa in 1961 I wonder what would be the category. > >Diaspora? Expats? Migrats? > >Colaco > > The repeated selective rendering of facts could lead to a dangerous > situation where a section of the population feels only it it was > discriminated against, and justify their own aggression or intolerance > towards others. > > Historians could correct me on this: > > Contarary to colonial-influenced renderings of Indian history, the > periods of the past cannot be neatly divided into eras on the basis of > the religion of the rulers. It is unlikely that people saw themselves as > "Hindus" as is now categorised. There were other mass migrations out of > Goa even prior to those fuelled by the religious-based intolerance of the > Portuguese. > > Likewise, a whole lot of Goans -- surely there would be some from many of > our families -- migrated out of Goa in the pre-"invasion/liberation" > period prior to 1961. In Bardez, economic pressures and famine lead to > large-scale migration around the 1920s, when the kind and efficient > Portuguese ruled over this part of the globe. > > Religion isn't the only, or even the main, reason for people to migrate > out of Goa. If at all, it has played a minor part. The migration of Goan > Christians in Portuguese colonial times itself to places like Mangalore > and other parts of the Canara coast is something that we perhaps need to > understand better. > > Identity is a very complex issue. Yours and mine are varied, and defined > by gender, skin-colour, ethnicity, caste, nationality, age, economic > class, and more. Why should religious identities take precedence over all > other? FN > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Tehelka chief to deliver talk in Panjim
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Tehelka chief to deliver talk - Editor-in-chief of Tehelka, Tarun Tejpal will deliver a talk in Panjim on January 1 at 5 pm. Tarun Tejpal, who became a household name in India, following Tehelka's pathbreaking investigations into defence scandals through 'Operation West End' and match-fixing in cricket, is set to launch Tehelka in it's new avataar as a weekly newspaper Tehelka On The Weekend. The newspaper is scheduled for launch on January 31. He was earlier associated with The Indian Express and The India Today, before spearheading the launch of Outlook magazine as Managing Editor. - HERALD 31/12/03 page 3 - === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Gomant Vishwa Sammelan
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Tony, Thank you for the clarification. I regret for replying to your post as late as this cause I was involved in a minor scooter mishap. Nothing serious but because of the jarring knock on the head, I was out of commission for a full week. Am back to almost 85 percent. I wish you and the GWS all the very best. I do have my own reservations but I am not against the Samelan. It must continue and foster confidence in NRIs to take Goa places where it deserves. Wish you, your family and Goa at large Season's Greetings and a Very Happy , Prosperous and SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR 2004. With warm regards Floriano - Original Message - From: Tony Correia-Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Gomant Vishwa Sammelan > Goanet meets in Goa: December 27, 12 noon and January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). See you there! > -- > > Dear Floriano, > I fully appreciate your concerns about the N.R.I. Cell being associated > with the E.D.C. > When C.M. Parrikar accepted the suggestion for establishment of an NRI > cell at the WWG Convention in Dec.2000, he wanted the organisers to take > over its management and was averse to it operating under any government > agency, but since the necessary resources and infrastructure was lacking, he > had perforce to accept the reponsibility. Since he did not want it to > function directly as a Government Department, the next alternative was to > associate it with a Public Corporation such as the EDC. > It should, however, be clarified that although its offices are located > in the EDC premises and one of its officers has been deputed as a Nodal > Officer to the Cell, it does not function directly under the EDC management > but under a non-official honorary Chairman Mr. Chandrakant Keni. > ---Tony Correia-Afonso. > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RESOLUTIONS AND HOPES FOR THE NEW YEAR AND BEYOND.
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Another year will very soon come to an end. And it will be time for New Years resolutions and expectations. Just because one could not live up to last year's ones does not mean one cannot make new resolutions and hope for new expectations. Look at the politicians. They make all sorts of promises at election time and do not keep up to them and yet they make a whole bunch of fresh false promises at the next election and yet get re-elected by a thumping majority. Life is getting complicated by the day so it makes sense keeping one's 2004 resolutions and hopes plain and simple. It shall be my solemn vow in the New Year not to recommend to anyone any name or company for any service or business. This is because of a gruelling and painful experience that has pinched my meagre pockets very distressingly. A very prominent politician who also not long ago became Goa's Chief Minister and lost his chair on a trip to the kangaroos asked me to recommend him a name of a good travel agent. I naively recommended the name of a reputed travel agency which was being manned by a close friend though a distant relative. This politician approaches the travel agent, purchases tickets for him and the family for a world tour and tells the travel agent that the bill will be paid by me. The politician travelled around the world and the travel agent waited in patience confident that I would pay a bill I was not even aware of. After having waited long enough the travel agent broaches up the topic of the money I owed him much to my utter surprise. I was pained to see the travel agent who is also a friend and distant relative, in trouble. With great distress I had to shell out Rs 90,000/- to pay up for having advised the politician a name of a good travel agent. So its my firm resolution anyone asking the advice of a good professional service shall henceforth be re-directed to the police control room at tel no 100 to make all the enquiries they want. It is not fair that one recommends a good service provider and ends up footing the bill too. I have not heard from the politician nor seen my money back. The law will have to take its course in the New Year. I would have never visualized that wearing a helmet would ever be one of my New Year resolutions. Nevertheless I would not wish to be proclaimed dead for not wearing one. Kicking the bucket for having consumed a bucket of Kingfisher would be a more soothing and comforting verdict in the autopsy report. In the New Year I shall wear a helmet as required by the law and give the Government of Goa an opportunity to prove within a year of implementation of the rule that using helmets saves lives. It is a fact that making helmets compulsory by itself will not minimise the number of fatal accidents and people will continue to die regardless of whether they wear a helmet or not as long as the Government does not take some concrete steps to deal with the root causes of accidents. I hope it will be the Government's New Year resolution if it is really interested in road safety to take the right step and end the rampant corruption in the police and transport departments. Let us hope for Goa's progress and prosperity is coupled with political stability. And all this is possible with Goa's Opposition firmly re-resolving to stay divided thus allowing the BJP to achieve its hidden agenda and objectives without any resistance. I have also resolved to fight with added vigour the legal causes of my clients. I shall renew my resolution never to wink in consent at the lawyer of the opposite party. Every citizen has a role to play in maintaining the highest standards of the judicial institutions. Of course we lawyers have major responsibility to ensure that under no circumstances should we contribute by our acts and deeds to the desecration of the temples of justice that the founding fathers of the Constitution had visualized would be eternally sacrosanct. Let us hope that the independence and integrity of the Judiciary will be preserved at all costs. Every citizen is duty bound to ensure that the independence of the Judiciary is not tampered with. A lawyer, being an officer of the Court, has an even greater obligation to ensure this. The Judiciary should always blossom with the fragrance and freshness of its integrity and independence. The Judiciary has to be transparent and never should the Government try to mishandle it, presuming the Courts to be one of its own departments. The Judicial process has to be free and fair with no trace of match fixing. We have seen enough of it in Cricket! A Former Chief Justice of India S.P. Bharucha had estimated the number of corrupt judges as being 20 per cent. Justice Michael Saldanha of the Karnataka High Court says it is 33 per cent. It has to be ensured that the public faith and perception
RE: FW: [Goanet]Corrections in Surnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- From: "ACC GENERAL - CYPRIANO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: [Goanet]Corrections in Surnames Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:26:04 +0300 Hi Goanetters, Here are some more corrections- COUTHINO TO BE READ AS COUTINHO ESTEBEIRO TO BE READ AS ESTIBEIRO (There are quite a few families that write ESTEBEIRO, but I feel it is a TYPO somewhere along the line. AT) REBEIRO TO BE READ AS RIBEIRO VEIGAS TO BE READ AS VIEGAS There are VEIGAS also, as in Pe Lucio Veiga Coutinho. AT) AND HERE ARE SOME MORE SURNAMES... L - LACERDA, LOPES, LEWIS (Aglicanisation of LUIS) S - SAPECO J - JACQUES M - MAZARELLO O - OZARIO (OZORIO, OSORIO, as in the Osorio Saldanhas of Canssaulim. And, that reminds me: We have missed EGIPSY of Calangute) V - VERDES Best regards, Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA) Folks this is a good, enjoyable quiz. Let's start a following one listing the family-nicknames. In some villages one cannot find some houses without mentioning them. Most are outrageously pictureesque: as in BONKANBHOTA-guer! Each of us could supply list of our respective villages. I wouldn't mind to compile the lot. With love. Alfred de Tavares, Maltesholmsvagen 83, SE-165 55 Hasselby, Sweden 0046 8 759 6214 -Original Message- From: vivek araujo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Surnames Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- There are some corrections as regards spelling mistakes tobe made on the surnames which is very important. Surnames : AROUJO TO BE READ AS ARAUJO ALBOURQUE AS ALBUQUERQUE BOTELLHO AS BOTELHO CORREA AS CORREIA CALDERIRA TO BE SPELT AS CALDEIRA D ABERO ABREU FERAO FERRAO - HEIRERA HEREDIA - MASCRANHAS MASCARENHAS RODRIQUESRODRIGUES MARQUAIS MARQUES If some dear friends could throw some more light on the spelling mistakes , this is only meant to correct the error. I could be wrong somewhere so please do correct me if i have made a mistake also. With kind regards Vivek _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re:Diaspora
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- In response to Gilbert, I suggest that expats, migrants could be the alternatives. The Portuguese use "emigrantes" for the many thousands of Portuguese settled in France, USA, Switzerland, South Africa, etc. I agree with Filomena Giese and Bernado Colaço that large numbers of Goans, both Hindus and Christians too (as in the case of Mangalorean Goans who moved out because of imposition of western food and dress habits following conversion) moved out because of Inquisition in the 16th-18th centuries. Possibly, some moved out of Goa after 1961 regarding the integration of Goa into India as "invasion". But neither of these reasons permit a blanket use of "diaspora" for all Goan migrants. I would not include myself in "diaspora , and there must be many others who moved out voluntarily. Teotonio R. de Souza From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:51:07 -0500 Subject: [Goanet]RE: Searching for a name Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Gilbert Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Response: So what name would you suggest? GL -- From: Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Diaspora: right use? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The dispersion of the Jews because of persecution is indeed one of the meanings of "diaspora." But the word is used for any group of people of a commmon national origin or belief who have been dispersed or scattered because of exile, migration, or other factors. In the case of Goans incidentally, Hindu Goans were persecuted and went into exile under the Portuguese Inquisition. The scattering of Goans around the globe for whatever reason can be described as the Goan diaspora. Filomena - From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Diaspora? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > The following link could assist in discussion of the > issue. > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04775c.htm Thanks to Teo for the above link. In regard to Goans living overseas and especially soon after the invasion of Goa in 1961 I wonder what would be the category. Diaspora? Expats? Migrats? Colaco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]SURNAMES contd...
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- From: "Alfred de Tavares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Abranches, Alves (Costa) Bir, BARATA, BARACHO Caeiro, Camara, Cardoso, Cavaco (dos) Dores, Duarte Fragoso Longuinhos Machado, Matos, Meyrelles, Moniz Neves, Neri Pitogras SANCHES Ticlo, Tovar, Trinidade, TORRADO Velho Zuzarte _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOAN CHRISTIAN SURNAMES!
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Here are some more corrections, please: COUTHINO should read as COUTINHO FEREIRA as FERREIRA REBEIRO as RIBEIRO VEIGAS as VIEGAS OLIVEIRO as OLIVEIRA TERXEIRA as TEIXEIRA RAPOZ as RAPOZO ABRANCHE as ABRANCHES The following may be added to the list: FONTES FROES MIRANDA TRAVASCO By the way, is XAVIER a Goan surname? As far as my knowledge goes, it is a proper name, but I may be wrong! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA From : vivek araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent : Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:22:59 PM To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Re: [Goanet]Surnames There are some corrections as regards spelling mistakes tobe made on the surnames which is very important. Surnames : AROUJO TO BE READ AS ARAUJO ALBOURQUE AS ALBUQUERQUE BOTELLHO AS BOTELHO CORREA AS CORREIA CALDERIRA TO BE SPELT AS CALDEIRA D ABERO ABREU FERAO FERRAO - HEIRERA HEREDIA - MASCRANHAS MASCARENHAS RODRIQUESRODRIGUES MARQUAIS MARQUES If some dear friends could throw some more light on the spelling mistakes , this is only meant to correct the error. I could be wrong somewhere so please do correct me if i have made a mistake also. With kind regards Vivek - WILMARCO RODRIGUES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Wish you all a Happy New Year 2004. Cheers, Wilmarco Rodrigues. There are some Surnames which I have come across and not listed. C - Catulo H - Henriques P - Pimenta M - Marquais On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:19:35 -0800 (PST), marsh mendonca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: of all the surnames in GOA ANDRADE , ANTAO , ALVARES, ALMEIDA , ALPHONSO, ALBOURQUE, AROUJO. BARETTO, BRITTO, BRAGANZA, BORGES, BOTHELLO, CALDERIRA, CORREA,CASTELINO, CRASTO, COUTO, COLACO, CARVALHO,CARNEIRO, COUTHINO. D'SOUZA, DSA, DEMELLO, D'CUNHA,DOURADO, DREGO, DACOSTA, DIAS, D'SILVA,DEMONTE,D'ABERO. ESTEBEIRO, FERNANDES ,FERAO, FEREIRA, GOES, GODINHO, GONSALVES, GOMES HEIRERA LOBO, LEITAO MENDONCA, MASCRANHAS, MORAIS, MISQUITA, MENDES, MADEIRA, MONTANA MENEZES. NORONHA. PAES, PIRES, PEREIRA, PINTO, PACHECO. QUADROS, RODRIQUES REBEIRO, REBELLO, REGO SOARES, SOUZA, SEQUEIRA, SIMOES, SEIXAS, SALDANHA, SILVEIRA TAVARES ,TELLES TRAVASSO. VEIGAS, VEIRA, VAZ. pl add to these surnames... ANY IN ( I, J, K, O, U, W X , Y , Z) and if they have any meaning pl share it with yours truly. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP!
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Tujem tondd bond dovor, punn dolle ugtte! (Keep your mouth shut, your eyes open). Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]East Timor... another perspective
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- > One of the 20th century's biggest wars -- in terms > of the > per capita deaths -- arose from the 1975 Indonesian > invasion of > East Timor > > In 1974, the Portuguese military rebelled and > overthrew > their government in Lisbon. The cost of fighting > their > African colonial wars was bankrupting the country > and > wrecking the military. What the great jurist has forgotten is that the communists were in power in Portugal. In Angola it is believed that the MPLA, the communist backed rebel group were given the powers to ruin Angola. The process of decolonisation hook or by crook were designed by the UN and followed by those in power in 1974 in Portugal. Colaco Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Flight to the West
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Cornel's advice could not have come at a better time. Europe, and much less Portugal, are no beds of roses! Even though I was better prepared to move out, aged 48 (after 40 the chances of a decent job are reduced even for qualified persons), it is very very hard to create conditions for a comfortable settlement which may be comparable to general middle class in Europe. With the euro becoming stronger by day, this situation becomes even more problematic for someone who has to rely on savings (even from the Gulf) and without a regular new source of income. The decreasing employment rate, bad salaries and rising cost of living in Portugal (as elsewhere in EU in recession) can traumatise even persons already sufficiently well-settled here. Only a very enterprising new-comer, who speaks well the lingo, has the capital and the know-how to launch on one's own, could move into Portugal or EU today without great worries. I had to work out recently a small but representative study of Goans who have come to Portugal at various times across centuries. It may be published very soon in Goa. I studied the group that came directly soon after 1961, following the anti-Indian "hysteria" created by the former regime. It is true that many of them were given free ticket via Karachi and were given free lodge at a place called *cordoaria*, where many rooms had broken or no panes on windows during winter! Many of those persons had come totally unprepared for the new clime (social and economic). Many of them were forced to move to Africa for military service. Most did get themselves employed as they could. But it was pitiable to see large numbers drinking their lives away at bars in regular group meetings till years and decades after 1961! Consequences to families were disastrous. I believe they would have been better off in Goa. This does not mean that amidst this grim picture some did not excel in their efforts and performance. But one or a few swallows do not make a summer! I am writing this note because I have been receiving repeated requests from Goa to help in their process of *recuperation* of Portuguese nationality. These persons generally forget that Portuguese bureaucracy may be bad, but follows its rules pretty honestly! I do not remember having to bribe anyone to get any work done. It is true that money speaks louder in today's culture everywhere, and there have been networks of paid agents who arrange privileged access to bureaucracy and get things moving faster. From time to time the authorities have tried to reduce or end such practices when denounced. Those interested in nationality should take the trouble to know the rules and demand their implementation. Many in Goa believe that someone resident in Portugal can solve all their problems at the Central Registry (in Lisbon) which handles the processes of nationality. They do not realise that working people here do not have time to spend in queues at CR. The work cannot be entrusted also to someone else who may have the time, but has no official powers of attorney granted by the interest party in Goa. The friends in Goa generally interprete these difficulties, when conveyed, as lack of interest or concern on the part of us here. Teotonio R. de Souza Subject: [Goanet]Flight to the West Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:06:27 -, "Cornel DaCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: More young Christian Goans seem determined to leave Goa for employment overseas than ever before, and for many reasons, London/UK is currently a key destination. This is perfectly understandable as jobs in Goa/India are very hard to come by. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Unrevising the actions of the Konkani revisionists
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- It should not surprise anyone if "linguistic imperialism" is an effective way of domination, be it politically or economically. All western colonial powers have done that by imposing their language. During the Portuguese regime the competence of a Goan was measured by his capacity to handle Portuguese language. As a result, in his own native land, Goenkar´s Konkani was of no use. It reminds me of a definition of "mother-tongue" by Ravindra Kelekar. It is the language that helps one to earn his bread or livelihood. How would it be if we had asked the Portuguese to learn Konknni to continue staying in Goa? I also think that we need not re-invent the wheel by trying to list words of Portuguese origin that entered as loan-words into Konknni. An elaborate and scholarly work has already been done by our countryman, Sebastião Rodolfo Dalgado and it was published in Baroda with an Introduction in English by Anthony Xavier Soares 1936, and was reprinted 1998 by Asian Educational Services in Delhi. It is a volumous tome with 320 pages and entitled *Portuguese vocables in Asiatic languages*. We are even provided with minute details about the origin and derivation of such words. I recommend that all discussing this issue on Goanet stop wasting their time and acquire a copy of this book. Those wishing to place it on website could also do so, because the book belongs already to public domain and is no longer subject to copyright. Teotonio R. de Souza From: The Goan Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Unrevising the actions of the Konkani revisionists - 1 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Further to what the good Goemcar Godfrey Gonsalves has posted about Konkani and the attempt to forcibly Sanskritize it (much like HINDI was), we are placing a provisional list of Konkani words which are being targetted by the Saraswat Revisionists for decapitation. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Surnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- An this one is for Gilbert Lawrence... Is ur surname Lawrence??? then i guess this need to be added in the list !! Just curious...if you con't mind. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
FW: [Goanet]Corrections in Surnames
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Hi Goanetters, Here are some more corrections- COUTHINO TO BE READ AS COUTINHO ESTEBEIRO TO BE READ AS ESTIBEIRO REBEIRO TO BE READ AS RIBEIRO VEIGAS TO BE READ AS VIEGAS AND HERE ARE SOME MORE SURNAMES... L - LACERDA, LOPES, LEWIS S - SAPECO J - JACQUES M - MAZARELLO O - OZARIO V - VERDES Best regards, Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA) -Original Message- From: vivek araujo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Surnames Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- There are some corrections as regards spelling mistakes tobe made on the surnames which is very important. Surnames : AROUJO TO BE READ AS ARAUJO ALBOURQUE AS ALBUQUERQUE BOTELLHO AS BOTELHO CORREA AS CORREIA CALDERIRA TO BE SPELT AS CALDEIRA D ABERO ABREU FERAO FERRAO - HEIRERA HEREDIA - MASCRANHAS MASCARENHAS RODRIQUESRODRIGUES MARQUAIS MARQUES If some dear friends could throw some more light on the spelling mistakes , this is only meant to correct the error. I could be wrong somewhere so please do correct me if i have made a mistake also. With kind regards Vivek ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Learning Posts
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gilbert, > > Rather than posting speeches, better to post what > Goans do to help other Goans. This way we can > have some successful ideas which other diasporic > [sic] Goans can implement. > > George > Agreed. There's too much hot air, not enough action. Filomena __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Helmets
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Hi Everybody Best wishes for an exciting 2004. It's my head and it's my life. And it is entirely a subjective matter if, as a two-wheeler rider, I choose to leave my brain exposed to hemorrhage. It's for me to constantly be aware of the fact that I could be dead meat any moment on our infamous roads. Rather than telling us what we should do to protect our susceptible skull the authorities would do well to do well what they are expected to do. To give back our roads some semblance of roads and to control traffic effectively partcularly at strategic points. Ironically, commonsense is something not that common to the point of being rare. So from tomorrow we will be forced to ride with helmets as if on the moon full of crater-like potholes. Happy moon ride. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Decision Making
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- The following story is quite interesting and really gives us an insight into . Which one will you choose? A group of children were playing near two railway tracks, one still in use while the other disused. Only one child played on the disused track, the rest on the operational track. The train came, and you were just beside the track interchange. You could make the train change its course to the disused track and saved most of the kids. However, that would also mean the lone child playing by the disused track would be sacrificed. Or would you rather let the train go its way? Let's take a pause to think what kind of decision we could make.. * Most people might choose to divert the course of the train, and sacrifice only one child. You might think the same way, I guess. Exactly, I thought the same way initially because to save most of the children at the expense of only one child was rational decision most people would make, morally and emotionally. But, have you ever thought that the child choosing to play on the disused track had in fact made the right decision to play on a safe side? Nevertheless, he had to be sacrificed because of his ignorant friends who chose to play where the danger was. This kind of dilemma happens around us everyday. In the office, community, in politics and especially in a democratic society, the minority is often sacrificed for the interest of the majority, no matter how foolish or ignorant the majority are, and how farsighted and knowledgeable the minority are. The child who chose not to play with the rest on the operational track was sidelined. And in the case he was sacrificed, no one would shed a tear for him. The friend who sent this, said he would not try to change the course of the train because he believed that the kids playing on the operational track should have known very well that track was still in use, and that they should have run away if they heard the train's sirens. If the train was diverted, that lone child would definitely die because he never thought the train could come over to that track! Moreover, that track was not in use probably because it was not safe. If the train was diverted to the track, we could put the lives of all passengers on board at stake! And in your attempt to save a few kids by sacrificing one child, you might end up sacrificing hundreds of people. While we are all aware that life is full of tough decisions that need to be made, we may not realize that hasty decisions may not always be the right one. *** "Remember that what's right isn't always popular... and what's popular isn't always right." MAKE A NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION Don't use this forum to get your evil desire's fulfilled, we can all contribute to make this world a wonderful place to live in. Thanks & best wishes for A Very Happy & Prosperous New Year 2004 to all of you Wilmarco Rodrigues IMPORTANT: This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipients, and must not be re-transmitted in an amended form without our consent. If you have received it in error, please contact us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone. Please then delete it and do not disclose its contents to any other person. Security and reliability of e-mail is not guaranteed. Advice should be verified from a mailed or faxed copy. We operate anti-virus programs but you must take full responsibility for virus checking. All e-mails to anyone @adic.ae are communications to the firm and not private and confidential to any named individual. Furthermore this email represents the opinions of the author and not necessarily those of the Abu Dhabi Investment Company (ADIC). *** ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet](no subject)
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:55 2003 >factors. In the case of Goans incidentally, Hindu >Goans were persecuted and went into exile under the >Portuguese Inquisition. --- >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:59 2003 >Thanks to Teo for the above link. In regard to Goans >living overseas and especially soon after the invasion >of Goa in 1961 I wonder what would be the category. >Diaspora? Expats? Migrats? >Colaco The repeated selective rendering of facts could lead to a dangerous situation where a section of the population feels only it it was discriminated against, and justify their own aggression or intolerance towards others. Historians could correct me on this: Contarary to colonial-influenced renderings of Indian history, the periods of the past cannot be neatly divided into eras on the basis of the religion of the rulers. It is unlikely that people saw themselves as "Hindus" as is now categorised. There were other mass migrations out of Goa even prior to those fuelled by the religious-based intolerance of the Portuguese. Likewise, a whole lot of Goans -- surely there would be some from many of our families -- migrated out of Goa in the pre-"invasion/liberation" period prior to 1961. In Bardez, economic pressures and famine lead to large-scale migration around the 1920s, when the kind and efficient Portuguese ruled over this part of the globe. Religion isn't the only, or even the main, reason for people to migrate out of Goa. If at all, it has played a minor part. The migration of Goan Christians in Portuguese colonial times itself to places like Mangalore and other parts of the Canara coast is something that we perhaps need to understand better. Identity is a very complex issue. Yours and mine are varied, and defined by gender, skin-colour, ethnicity, caste, nationality, age, economic class, and more. Why should religious identities take precedence over all other? FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
