[Goanet]Re: Whats in a Name: Take Ten !
I am probably very wrong, but here is a wild shot... Finns = Suomalaiset Armenians = Hai Hungarians = Magyar --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are nations and towns whose popular but Anglicised names bear no link to what their natives care to label themselves, and so, the first person who tells us what the Finns, Hungarians, Armenians __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Whats in a Name: Take Ten !
There are nations and towns whose popular but Anglicised names bear no link to what their natives care to label themselves, and so, the first person who tells us what the Finns, Hungarians, Armenians and Moscovites call their homes makes ten US Dollars, cash or kind!! Reading up on the Irish, i discovered they believe they descend from an Egyptian princess, Skada, which lends to the very Keltic(Kaltic !!) Skodda, Scotta and Scott. Now a true Scottsman will not pass up on his beloved Caledonia, which still warms the cockles of the heart of this Kalidunyan who once surfed the Nile millenia ago. And yes, make that Neela to our friends in Egypt, all Arabs, and Indians too !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Fred, You are trying the defend the indefensible. The issue behind all this (back to square one) is whether it is reasonable for Floriano to question, in this forum, the wisdom of using the term Mhapsa without being subject to a tirade of abuse. Yes or No? Eddie aka Edward aka Ed aka BIG 'ED (and before you ask, the last is Cockney for Big Head!) - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names Hang on George, don't deny us the chance of beating you with a valid point... The issue of the cheque (doesn't matter if it's a check, as long as it spells money) is another issue. I doubt the problem was because of the spelling of Panjim/Panaji. It probably was because of the use of the term Panjim Municipality when, in fact, the civic body had got upgraded recently to being the Corporation of the City of Panaji (or Panjim). These, you would accept, are two different entities. Yes, the lethargy/delays over printing new receipt-books remains... but that's another issue. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Senhor Jorge's Words of Truth
Senhor Jorge Pinto boroita Noted journalist Fred Noronha said this is the first instance of Roman bias in Goan sports media. Jose Colaco said the first instance was in a SIDDI football game, but no one talks about the SIDDIS. Khorem re saiba. Senhor Jorge baban boremch boroilem. Ghae! Hemh vachath: http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19971223/35750303.html Substitute PJ Jose's blow in the 88th minute felled the dominating Goans in the Philips National Football League (NFL) encounter at the Cooperage. Jose, enjoying a kind bounce, unleashed an angular right-footer with the outstep that left JUJE SIDDI dumbfounded. Jose nuim Juje, na zuze, na Bernado, na Ole_Xac, na Vivek aiklam murre Malapropappa!?! latest on TGF : BJP = Congress+Assafrao? http://www.colaco.net/1/TGFgoamediawatch.htm _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RE: TIATRO TIATRIST
Dear All, Greeting to each one of you. As a matter of interest to all, it would be nice to discuss the various aspects of Tiatro Tiatrist. Let us all dwell into the finer aspect of the Konkani Damatic Art, that is purported to be highlighted, so that we expound to truth and not just highlight a few stray thoughts that come to mind of a few individuals. I am in full agreement with Cornel in this excercise. I am sure with his in depth knowledge of the subject, Mr. A. V. Fernandes, could throw more light on what is being discussed. Looking forward to promising revelations. Cheers, Rabindra From: cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet readers, I read the post from A.Veronica Fernandes on TiatroTiatrist with much interest and would find it helpful to discover the approximate date when Italian Burgo was first performed in Bombay. Secondly, Minguel Rod's (and others) oppositional contribution as tiatrists against the dominant castes is something I am particularly interested in. Please, could Mr Fernandes throw more light on this aspect too? Finally, is there a good book available which presents the revolutionary spirit of Goan Tiatr? Many thanks, Cornel _ Raja Ravi Varma paintings. Buy art prints. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/42737.asp At MSN Shopping. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]TIATR ODDITIES!
From: domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]TIATR ODDITIES! Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:30:55 +0300 The administrators also did not promote education for fear of revolt. There was only one Primary school in every village, and the highest Portuguese education then was either Liceum or Escola Technica. However, there was a prerequisite to join a school ones parents had to own a piece of land and a house on it otherwise his children could not attend school. Since Bhattkar was delegated full powers, if a tenant sent his children to school without his knowledge, he would summon that tenant, scold him and sometimes beat him with roth and make him withdraw his children from school. Not only that, he would instruct the tenant to immediately send his children to work in his property. The Seminary at Rachol, both predated as well as competed with Liceu. Majority of Goans who entered the Seminary did so to obtain a modicum of secondary education that would enable them to practice law, etc. esapecially if they were first sons/heirs. Non-brahmins, the left-handed, the squint-eyed, and several other discriminatory categories were strictly taboo. First non-brahmin boys were received only in mid-last century and too by devious circumvention: adopted by the bathkars, The taboo did not apply to the aristocratic Chardos of the coastal belt. To begin with Liceu (govt.) was only at Panjim. Later, Mapuca and Margao had private Liceu, but up to only 2do ciclo, of which Sharlekar's Liceu Abade Faria survived Dec 19th. Escola Tecnica opened only in the 1950s Escola Medica de Goa is perhaps the oldest secondary educational institution of them all. I believe that earliaest entrants to the EMG qualified through basic preparation at the Seminary. Saligao seminary is also quite new, 1950s _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Now you know the truth
Summarizing some of the recent emails on this forum: The Inquisition did not happen in Goa. If it did happen, non-Catholics supportive of the Carnival but not King Momo are to be blamed. A migrant group called Jews-for-Jesus (although that is not their official name as they believe a rose should be called a daisy and is just as sweet) clarified that Kashmiris came to Goa on boats but not with the Jews (at least not with the persecuted Jews according to Tariq). Santosh is looking into their common DNA and his inquiry (not to be misunderstood as inquisition) may become a separate chapter in the soon to be released book RATIONAL MINDS HISTORY. Gilbert, currently from Aldona, traced his ancestral roots to Moira, a migration which occurred between 1580-1750, although there is no historical record except some third-rate story in a revisionist Hinduvta newspaper in Baina (actually Panjim but many Goans in Mphasa say whats the difference - they say it in Marathi but people think it is Konkani as it sounds like the Devnagiri script used in Church). There were 32 entries in Cecil Pintos Valentine contest, although 31 never hit the SEND button on their computer. Melinda won 12 daises (a rose by any name is still a daisy, except is Assagao where the locals call it cashew feni and insist on drinking it). 118 goals were not scored in two recent soccer matches. Under investigation, the referees and teams clarified they occasionally use Roman numerals. Hence, they wrote II8 (10 goals) but the revisionist, biased press misquoted the score. Noted journalist Fred Noronha said this is the first instance of Roman bias in Goan sports media. Jose Colaco said the first instance was in a SIDDI football game, but no one talks about the SIDDIS. Paulo Colaco clarified under existing Portuguse law none of the football players qualified for Portuguese passports, but that should not stop them from consuming Portuguese Porto wine, even if they had fake Indian passports. Best regards, George Pinto __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Hang on George, don't deny us the chance of beating you with a valid point... The issue of the cheque (doesn't matter if it's a check, as long as it spells money) is another issue. I doubt the problem was because of the spelling of Panjim/Panaji. It probably was because of the use of the term Panjim Municipality when, in fact, the civic body had got upgraded recently to being the Corporation of the City of Panaji (or Panjim). These, you would accept, are two different entities. Yes, the lethargy/delays over printing new receipt-books remains... but that's another issue. FN On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, George Pinto wrote: Cecil Frederick I think you are mixing two issues. On the one hand, their are descriptive names for places (or people for that matter) which evolve over time and are sometimes based on complex histories. So it is not unusual for a place to have many variants not simply by language as both of you point out (hardly an issue), but over time. That is not my concern. In fact, it would not bother me if someone referred to Panjim as Pooli or Siolim as Colva as long as I understood what they meant. In their world such fantastic usages may work. The issue as I see it, is having an official name so the business of the city can be conducted. Take for example, Eddie's issue with the cheque. What if he wanted to make it payable to the City of Ponde and wanted the Panjim clerk to accept it. By your logic, she should. What if she decided that he should write the cheque to City of Party? Should the bank accept such a cheque into the city's account? Should there not be any common standard? This is my last email on this topic. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Congratulations - Kuwait Goans for the Konkani Musical Show
Dear Gaspar, Thanks for that posting about the Konkani Musical Show in Kuwait held yesterday. Knowing how difficult it is to organise these events - especially when one has a full time job to do, please llow me to add my Congratulations to the organizers. It is some credit to the organisers that there were over 45 participants in the show, including 22 member band (3 Goan musicians - trumpeters and saxaphone players were specially flown in). It is an absolute achievement to have got hold of Remmie Colaco and Jose Rod to be at the show. BTW, did the Kuwait-GWS have anything to do with the show. From what I understand, Kuwait-GWS is one solid organisation. Is the good AvF part of GWS. If so, Please convey my Congratulations to him too.and to Ashok, Wilson and Mario. No news from Uly! Hibernating? all the best jc _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]VOICES FROM GOA: Panjim, my dreamland (By Ramesh B Veluskar)
Panjim seems like another world away, when seen from the eyes of a village barely 10 kilometres off. Looking back at the town- turned-city from a pre-Liberation perspective. [REMINISCENCES] Panjim, my dreamland By Ramesh B Veluskar Panjim is close to me. It's the closest city to my village, being just ten kilometres away from my village named Palem. I do not exactly remember when I first heard about it. Nor can I locate that in my mind. This story though is more than half a century old. I was then about five or six. I do recall the festival of Nagpanchami, the day on which every folk from the village would take rest and no one disturbed the earth, because all of them were cultivators. They believed that Naga -- the serpant god -- took this earth on his head, and, that day being his very special one, he should not be given any trouble by creating a disturbance on the earth while it was placed atop his head. I always liked the love and respect shown by these people towards the serpent or Shesh Bhagvan, as it was practically expressed. They never worshipped an image of the Naga at home; but they would celebrate that day in particular with a day spent on entertainment available at that time. Most of them went to a cinema show in the afternoon; naturally it had to be at Panjim. There would be a lot of gossip on the subject of the particular movie showing. There was only a lone theatre in Panjim in those days, which was called Ravalem Thetar (Rao's Theatre). Actually, it's real name was the National Theatre. Keeping these people's wish in mind, the theatre manager would actually put up a nice mythological movie that they would appreciate. Once back home too, they would go on ruminating incidents from the cinema, over the next week or so. In fact, the week prior and the week following, I heard one very popular word on their lips -- Panjim. Panjim therefore was the place where the theatre was located. In my young mind then, I had a lot of fancy ideas about the words cinema and Panjim, and found a close association between the two. For me, Panjim was always a place full of wonder and amazement. I recollect that day when I saw Panjim for the first time. It was actually not by day, but by night. There were a lots of people who had gathered near our temple. There was a vehicle of the times -- then called a caminhao. All those who were present there went in the caminhao, even my parents and me. The gathering in the quaint, old-fashioned vehicle ranged from the elder to the child, of all ages. There was no light illuminating the inside of the vehicle. Some villagers smoked biddis, and those who were close to me disturbed my respiration with their unbearable stench. Anyway, I was not much affected, being engrossed in the journey to this dream-town, which one anticipated seeing in a short while. I drew in my mind a nice picture of Panjim, and it shaped up like the picture of an urban area one had till then seen only in books. Our caminhao ran fast through the darkness of the mind. As we crossed Santa Cruz's Bandrar -- I knew that was its name, because somebody said so -- one saw glittering lights from afar. Certainly, it was much like a dream. And, when one starts experiencing anything, there's no chance left to give play to one's imagination anymore. In the darkness, it kept coming closer, just like a dream. Up in the sky, there was a spread of uncountable stars, and down there, in a corner, a dream kept approaching, glittering like gold in the darkness. Panjim was shining with a number of lamps, spread across certain intervals, on every road. Almost as if it was daytime in the town. One could move around very freely, like it was day. I felt as if I was in some story of the Arabian Nights. Suddenly, it started drizzling. It was a strange and unexpected to enjoy the unimaginable scene of a filmy layer of rain at night. Our caminhao kept going past a number of nicely-painted buildings. At last, our vehicle stopped at a temple. I heard the sounds of bhajans, which were being played nearby. All the people from the caminhao alighted and walked across to the temple. It was Mahalaxmi Temple of Panjim, and the bhajani saptah was one. At the gates, there were some women selling flowers. I smelled the zayo, and was very pleased. People brought flowers and went for darshan. In the mandap, others who were chanting bhajans chanted melodiously. I felt like stopping awhile to watch the bhajan singers. Many had stopped by then. Someone uttered the name of Manohar Shirgaonkar, and others said instantly, Manoharbooa Shirgaonkar. He kept singing with utter devotion, his voice was very attractive and he looked like a king among the other singers. After the darshan, we spent about an hour listening to the bhajans and then got up to leave. From the temple, we went to the theatre. This was Raoalem Thetar. It was new to me. Surrounded by nice houses, this theatre was almost like a big palace from a storybook. There were
[Goanet]VOICES FROM GOA: Why keep Margao ugly? (Brian Antao)
If the Margao Municipality lacks funds to undertake the necessary development in the City, it could use some ingenuity in raising funds for development, though public financing. It's time the sleepy city of Margao awakened and its elected political representative do something more concrete than resort to sophistry and lip-service. Why keep Margao ugly? By Brian Antao With Goa being selected as the permanent venue for the IFFI, the many benefits of which seem to go to only the city of Panjim. It is good that the Goa government has drawn up ambitious plans for giving the entire city of Panjim a face-lift and transformation to a modern metropolis. However, too much of the Goa government machinery has been inefficiently drawn into the IFFI preparations, that developments across the rest of Goa seem to have fallen by the way-side since. With Panjim being the electoral constituency of the CM, he has but a political vested-interest to appropriate development to his constituency to ensure his electability in the future. Traffic congestion in Margao is a severe problem, and the city is very much in need of four-lane roads and fly-overs built to good international standards. Is the Goa Government so limited in its capacity in being able to handle development in just one city? Margao, the commercial capital of Goa, which sadly has always received step-child treatment from the Goa government in terms of development, continues to do so. The so-called beautification program for Margao comes and goes depending on the whims of the Margao-based politicians who also have their fingers in the IFFI pie. So far, the only effort done to develop Margao, is in the form of the lip-service of the construction of the traffic islands, which too are lagging way behind their promised scheduled deadline for completion of August 15, 2003. If one were to critique the aesthetics of the traffic islands, one might say that the red- masonry architecture gives more of an incomplete look, and some more work needs to be done in terms of a better finish, something on the lines of the island near the Holy Spirit Church. A big eye-sore in the heart of Margao is the dilapidating condition of the Margao Municipal Garden, and the governmental buildings all around that are badly in need of a paint job. An immediate painting of these buildings must be undertaken and one must suggest the use of a higher quality weather-resistant paint that will ensure the longer-term benefit keeping up a good look. The Margao Municipality should also bring in a requirement that all structures in the key areas of the city be maintained by the owners with a fresh coat of paint through regular inspections and a stiff fine imposed for violators. This will ensure to some extent that the main parts of the city are well maintained year- round. While the City of Panjim has a plan in place for heritage restoration, why is that Margao lacks such a program? The outer facade of Hospicio Hospital is very much in need of a heritage restoration. If the Margao Municipality lacks funds to undertake the necessary development in the City, it could use some ingenuity in raising funds for development, though public financing such as offering an attractive Municipality development Bonds or starting a Margao City development Fund. It's time the sleepy city of Margao awakened and its elected political representative do something more concrete than resort to sophistry and lip-service all the time on this issue! -- The writer is based in Margao ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The maiden show of Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonstha was EXCELLENT.
To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.c: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The maiden show of Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonstha was EXCELLENT. My comments as follows: --- A. Veronica Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KONKANI SHOW TIATRO TIATRIST As scheduled, Kuwait Goan Tiatristanchi Sonvstha initiated by Marcus Vaz as announced on the stage, organized their maiden show TIATRO ANI TIATRIST at Gulf English School, Rumethiya, Kuwait on Friday 20th of this month. Though the show was scheduled to begin at 3.30, it finally started at 4.10. The show was attended by the capacity crowd though the hall was small compared to IAC. - Very good! To my knowledge first time in the history of Kuwait Tiatro KD 10/- per ticket was charged for the first class and inspite of this no reservation allotted. - Very bad! Please collect your KD 7/- immediately as the person sitting with you must have 'eaten' it up. The show was organized in association with Goan Welfare Society and the proceeds of this show KD 600/- + as announced by the organizers will be distributed into 4 parts and sent to 4 ageing tiatrists namely 1: Prem Kumar. 2: Mary Vaz. 3: Paul Romy and 4: John Nazareth. - Very good indeed. 22 musicians like an orchestra - provided the musical score for this show. Due to these many musical instruments the clarity of the singers drowned thereby denying the audience the exact meaning of the words. Konkani tiatro system is such that audience needs to grasp the words clearly. Secondly the mike system was not up to mark. - O.K., we can recommend you an ENT clinic (for your EARS ellage). But their charges are also KD. 10/- to open a file. And mind you no refund. At an outset Jose Rod the author of the revengeful phenomenon first time introduced in this part of the world To Aslear Aum Nachona welcomed the audience and praised the old artistes who have done yeomen services for the cause of Tiatro. - Very well, tum marank suslai kosso dista Sanvordemkaracho? Yes, is Jose Rod worthy of praising those oldies who were immaculate in their character - Yes, you said it right. Yes, he is worthy a thousand times than your goodself. as against his own who is on record to destroy his colleague by using the above phenomenon? This point has to be understood very well by the lovers of tiatros and if necessary deliberated for the good of tiatro and tiatrist. - Yes, we understand from you. Are you not the same one who had started 'name calling' of the association and its members right from the start including the initiator Marcus Vaz. With what face did you and your bossom buddy go for the show. - No, you are not even fit to polish Jose Rod's shoes. Jose Rod is an angel with a golden voice and creativity. To summarize he is THE BEST entertainer. We get to listen to his songs on Kuwait Airways flights. The stage set up was not up to the mark as it should be. In future the organizers should take note of this. - Noted. It is very nice to help the old needy tiatrists but it would have been still better if GWS also had to come forward and help on their own not only the needy tiatrists but many of the needy Goans as well. GWS is having in its kitty around KD 30 thousand (approx. Rs. 50 lakhs) collected from the people patronage. After all GWS came into being as welfare association to look after the welfare of the people who need help. It is absolutely right to use public funds collected thru the assistance of public for the cause of public benefit, especially those who are in dire need, namely some of the poverty stricken tiatrists and promoters of Goan causes. In Kuwait many of our people need lot of financial assistance and if our associations decide to take up this issue seriously I am sure none of the Goans suffering from financial or any other deficiencies will face problem. - Your suggestions might be taken up by the above organization. Please contact Rabindra Pimenta, President of GWS or Gaspar Almeida, General Secretary of GWS. Mind you better get in touch with the former and beware of the shoes of the latter ! Like Parsis, we are a community with a special gift to care for the community cause, this is the tradition of Goans and it has to be maintained. KGTS must go on doing what they are doing now in helping their needy colleagues as they did now by disbursing the profits immediately to the needy. - If KGTS and GWS gets more well wishers, with God's blessings and Jose Rod's assistance, and their members support, this traditional 'special gift' might continue. May we have the same done by Konkani Heritage Kuwait (KHK) and KKK to follow suit and everything accountable, transparent unlike NOVEM Goem Prathisthan and the money racket. The musical show consisted of small skits and songs. Amongst the Skits the last one enacted by Mario Philip Domnick was excellent deserving mention while
RE: [Goanet]Photo of Emeliano da Cruz
From: fausto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Photo of Emeliano da Cruz Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:03:22 +0530 Hi, Can someone provide me with the colour photo of the musician Emeliano da Cruz and his 3 nusicians/singers. This is very urgent please. Fausto You could ask the maestro himself. But, he rarely opens his e-mail. However, Maoshe, Mario's son, will do the needful. Ask him where you would like to have it Alfred de Tavares _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Aitaracheo Kaskuleo: Xantichea Parveakui Daukulam Astat.(Dusro Bhag)
Xantichea Parveakui Daukulam Astat (Dusro Bhag) Dr. Selwyn ani Merlyn kazar zalear chear mhoine somplele. Adle toren dhuvo ani zanvoim kullaghora disonasleo. Merlyn kallzan vhodd girest aslem. Tem aple kaide ani xist samballpi. Sasu ani sasro aplich avoi-bapui zallea vorim kortalem ani tankam vhoddillponnacho man ditalem. Merlyn ghorant bhitor sortoch Xrimati Kermes vo Merlynachea sasuk gorvacho (arrogant) rog aslolo to, donuch mhoineani nixtem haddolir uzraitat te toren Merlyn-an tichea gorvachi nigut savai keleli. Xezaream thaim Merlyn-an bori ixttagot zhoddleli. Poilim konnuch xezaream tanchea ghorant ie naslim. Kiteak, Xrimati Kermes gorje bhair xezaream thaim kestanvam kortali. Durgant, xezarchem sunnem, mazor, kunkddam vo ani dusrim zonvaram Xrimati Kermesachea dollea samkara naka aslim. Zonvaram porkari kortana pollelem tor tika ti hollxig pollevn vitt ietali ani tabonastana vonkare ietale. Hech katir tinnem koslench zonvar mhottlelem ghorant posunk na vo posunk di nasli. Ek dis sokallinch Xrimati Kermes telefonar Karwarchea poskea dhuve thaim uloitali. Bai Remartiz, kitloch temp zalo mugo? Ligorio ani tum kazarak ailim titlinch. Mamacho ugddas iena go bai? Kitem mhottlem? Merlynank lagun ienant? Tannem tumkam kitem kelam? Papa-mama jivim asat tumchim Xrimati Kermes, fonar uloitana Merlyn aple nidpache khuddintlem dar ugddun nitt nannient bhitor sorlem ani tub-ant vonkunk laglem. Tonddar udok ghalun tem bhair sorlem tedna sasun zap keli SASU: Vonkare aile bai? Koxe aile? Jhiron bhori zavnk na asteli. MERLYN: Jhiron bori zalea mhonnonuch aileat teo. Kazarak chear mhoine odik zale. Mhaka vonkare ienvche nant tor tuka ietle ge? SASU: Moskoreo kiteak korta bai. Kalluch Felcy vichari. Boreaponnachi khobor asa kai mhonn. Baba zalear puro mhonntalem MERLYN: Tachea avoik, mhonnchem, tuka kitle baba asat? Taka itko husko kiteak ge? Hem nib ghevn kullarak parthean-parthean davn marun ievpak? Tem poir tedus, hospitalant fon korun Selwynank sango, hanv boro ievkar dinam. Hanvem haddaounk nant tujea dhuvank. Dar ugttench asa amchem. Ponn itlench sanglam, tanchem ghor zallea toren chollat , hansat, khellat ponn jevtana, khatana, pietana soireamgher ailleant mhonn somzunk zai tannim. Adle toren ghora portotana potieo, begam bhorun vorunk mellchenam. Ugddas ailo. Felcy-cho ghov Milagres poir Gomantak Vidhea Niketanan Ek Ankhi Nattkuleancho Spordha zalle kodden Micky sangatak aslolo hanvem pollelo. Spordha somptoch mhaka mellunk tankam rekad dhaddlolo. Tankam kosli bhirant dista mhoje samkarak ievpak? SASU: Hoi, hoi. Fonnar sangtale te. Selwynank ani tuka pollelim mhonn. Karnavalak songitacho proig (musical show) asa. Amcho Milagres ani tache sonstheche LRNB (Lipun Ravpi Net-ar Borovpi) vangddi mellun kortat. Tancheo zoran esaio (rehearsal) cholltat. Haka lagun te dogui Ek Ankhi Spordhecho nikal genastana bhair sorlele khoim. MERLYN: Ham?? Oxem??? Dekhunuch he kepek potramcher, internet-acher kritika na mista. Na tor lokak kantalo ieo passun zoroit astat. Xavier ailolo khoi. Kiteak? SASU: Narlancho paddo keddna korta kai mhonn vicharpak. MERLYN: Kitem mhottlem tuvem? Mhojea thaim vichar kori nastana Xavier konn, heo ratavoli pollevpak? Sang taka, adim kitem cholllem tem cholllem, atam nhoi. Bhitorlean dekhun zhaddamcher barik nodor ghalit zalear tache dolle chochun kaddtelim. Lokachea kuznant kitem xizta tacho vas ghevpak taka sonvoim zavn gelea..Mama mhojea jivak borem disona, matxe hadd poddtam. Poskateleak sang dud nastana ek kofi di mhonn SASU: Ekuch aik bai. Orde paddeache narl hanv vinkttam ani orde mhojea porank vattun ditam. Tim kazar zatana hanvem tankam subeij kainch divnk na, hea katir.. MERLYN: Atam koxi uloili tum? Tuka tujea dhuvank divnk tankunk na ponn dusreanchea ghorabeantle dhuvanchem magunk mat tuka vhoddli jib zali. Zo monis divnk noko tea monxan ghevnk favo na. SASU: Bai Merlyn fon vazta, goddie Selwynacho zait MERLYN: Borem hanv getam Hello hi honey... Itlea mhonnosor Xrimati Kermes thoimchi koddsorun kuznant geli ani Poskatelak kofi korpak hukum dilo ani ghorachea bolkavant aili. Bhair durgan xezarcho ek kutro durgant ailo ani tiche dolle samkara haglo. Hi hollxig pollevn Xrimati Kermesak vitt aili ani ti tambonastana vonkunk lagli. Novench tanchea ghorant kam korpi Poskatel dhavim dhavim Merlynank kolit korpak ailem. Tannem fon bond kelo ani sasu sorxim gelem MERLYN: Mama, tuka vonkareo kosleo ge he piraer? Tuvem mhojea sangatak spordhen bhag ghetla? SASU: Ho papacho guneanv. Taka sangtalim matxe voir kor mhonn ponn tannem mhojem chintinastana aplench korem kelem ani sokoll kelem. Bognar sarke mhoje. MERLYN: Mhonntoch tumvuim mhoje baxen gorbest asa? SASU: Ago kitem uloita tum? MERLYN: Tum mhonntai tuje bognar zale? SASU: Hoi. Papak sanglelem durig bandtana matxe voir bandun ghe, ponn na aplench korem korun sokoll bandlem. Atam durga velean sunim, mazram udkeo ghetat ani bhitor durgan hollxig kortat tem pollelem
[Goanet]VIVA CARNAVAL 2004--regales crowds at Panaji on Sabado Gordo
Carnaval 2004 got off to a dewy break of dawn. The Alvarado' began with the 10 men Cotta brass band from Santa Cruz led by Luis Cotta they stopped at prominent spots in the city Dona Paula Miramar Campal Taleigao. This Brass band was started by late Jose Santano Cotta in 1932. At exactly 1548 hrs (IST) the Cotta brass band provided a warm up to the miling crowds along Indias longest promenade from Patto Bridge to the Old Goa Medical College Complex to bring them in the spirits, with a happily married couple Cocno ani Cristao symbolising the communal harmony. Then Hon'ble Ministers Francisco Xavier (Micky) Pacheco dressed fancifully in red and a bandana round his head, Atanasio (Babush) Monserrate and Pandurang Madkaikar and Francisco (Babush) D Souza ushered in the King Momo Bondo (brother of Timoteo Fernandes of erstwhile Tuna Sparks fame)and Queen Momo cute Ms Naina Albuquerque. The Government sponsored Tourism began since Mr Percival Noronha then looking after Culture Tourism provoked the Goa Government to lend a helping hand. Today while the role of Government in such activities is being debated on this ocassion the politicians insignificant except that they are provided accomodation with thenon Goan IAS Secretaries on a huge shamiana in front of Adil Shahs Palace the present Secretariat. There are this year five prizes in each of the six categories and the prize amount is in lakhs. At last coount there were 63 entries that were of some consequence. Most of the themes were broadly based based on a)communal harmony viz; Visionaries of Loutolim Youth lets all live in Communal harmony Youth of Uzro Raia No racism Lets all sail together b)Bird Flu scare The group from Caranzalem showed a youth dead in a coffin and people mourning there three such floats on this theme c)Padaria from St Stevam led by neves Saldhana was an impressive float where the whole gamut of baking our very traditional Goenchem Pao was on display the poders were excellent so also those that baked the same. d)Taste of Goa -- led by Mesais Tavares of Algrio Bai Cardoso of Dream Merchants andNostalgios Chef Fernando of Raia not only prepared the dishes on the float but also distributed the xacuti pulav to the bystanders Mr Rudolf barretto from Benaulim provided the music. e) the Friends Circle of Mhapsa Rajwado showed a fishermen actually casting his nest and catching fish this artistic display won public applause f) Mad and Tachea Upeog was another attractive float that showed coconut trees and the manufacture of Goas Feni an excellent presentation there was also the artistic display of manking pots and grinding resembling a traditional household. g) liqour barons -- Honeybee displayed a big bumble bee then the Derby Special had three damsels on real horse backs which provided amusement to the crowd. Directors Special was a cast mostly of foreigners females and won adventurist almost bared all her top to the amusement of the audience; sure liqour prowess. However Dr Vijay Mallya the King of Good Times only had his name on the float Pirates St Sebastian Boys Mhapsa -- who danced to the rhythm of Viva la Carnaval h)the junk cars yes there was an OPEL --- Audi Gago GDA 2835 a 40 year old and another Volkwagon Flower Power GDE 3523 around 30 years old both moved majestically and as if to show the generation change PAULO TRAVELS displayed an antique Careiraof yester years and the new Volvo version which has now entered his fleet. Paulo hails for St Andre (Agacaim) and belongs to ex MLA Teotonio Pereira the veteran politician of yesteryears. i) then there were sarcastic themes - the International Film Festival -- Goa shining in tune with the 40 crore BJP Govt publicity India Shining showed Goa emerging as a film city with caricatures of Mr Bean Mr Joddy Foster Mr Arnold and some youth shooting and featuring films --- What next ?? for Goa j) the world latest innovation the SKY BUS an invention of the Konkan Railway Corporation Ltd and accepted by the Goa Government is seen to many as a financial resouce drain -- the commentary was of the prospects of the trial run now being assembled and replicated at the Margao Railway Station. k) Henrys Music Cafe and Goan Live for Music and Dance for Music were beautiful dance groups vibrant with music that enthralled the crowd. Carribean Fever Charles Darwin Theory of Evolution wGoan Living Concepts Dsoshys Living Concepts. Atleast two other Groups performed to Hindi music tunes bring a marked changed in the carnaval revelry of yester years. It is time that Goans need to show our Goan art and culture and not imitate others felt Andria Kosygin a Russian who was capturing the images of Goa for posterity. Rasta Boys Group Osborne Calangute -- mainly of foreigners demanded tat out Goan beaches be kept clean and a warning to Non Goans to avoid harrassment to foreigners apparently referring the recent spate of rapes of Swedes by non Goans. SDPO Vaman Tari who was
Re: [Goanet]Irrational Rational
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariq: Fine. But then explain why were Jews who were coming as refugees in boat-loads being victimized? They did not own any land in Goa. So if the Inquisition was about land grabbing, why were Jews killed? This logic does not make sense. The Portuguese tortured, killed and annexed the land of the Hindus so that they could resettle Jewish refugees and then (gasp!) went on to torture and kill these same Jewish refugees? Gilbert responds: As they say: This is how rumors start. :=)) The first reference is about displacing Hindus to settle the immigrants. The response is about killing and torture ani more killing. Talk about bias prejudice and more. :=)) You mean to say that did not happen? If you were to read the history of the Goud Saraswat Brahmins, there is plenty of acknowledgement of the above. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Inquisition in Goa
Re: Inquisition in Goa Gilbert Lawrence: You know the word Inquisition and beyond that you DON'T KNOW (the facts) and DON'T CARE about the realities or the terminology. Santosh: I know very little about the Goan inquisition. But if I wanted to know about it, I would choose to read at least one of the several scholarly books written on it by real historians, and glean some hard facts from this exercise, rather than rely on someone's conjectures, speculations and suppositions. Some of the hard facts that I know so far are as follows. The word inquisition is part of the recorded history of Goa, just as it is part of the recorded history of Europe. I know the name of the Catholic priest who appointed the first Goan inquisitor. I know the names of four physicians who were convicted by this Holy Office, two of whom were each burned at an auto da fe. In another case, the mortal remains were exhumed and burned many years after their interment. In the fourth case, the convicted individual was imprisoned and then consigned to hard labor on a galley. I know that there was a dreaded palace of the inquisition in Goa. I also know that thousands of records pertaining to the Goan inquisition were destroyed some time during the 19th century. Gilbert Responds: Of course we remember want we want to remember and are selective in our quotes. More importantly our otherwise rational mind and perceptive questioning suddenly takes leave of our senses. :=)) Some responsible writers - Catholic and Hindu have called the period in Goa 1560-1812 as atrocities by the civilian powers. Many who shoot from their hips whether out of ignorance, prejudice or to sensationalize their writings link the inquisition in Goa mainly to the Catholic Church. For some there is an economic incentive especially those in the tourist or related industry and for those with a political ax to grind. Inquisition and Catholic Church in Goa 'sells a lot better' to visitors than the expected colonial atrocities - like visiting a pirate's cave, instead of a hole in the ground.:=)) Regards ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Latest upload on Goa Media Watch: Goa Gorrment Consultants (Herald)
it is very important that the Press be kept on its toes. and Keep track of what the Goa Media is telling us: Revision, fact, fiction, whitewash, brainwash, or agenda-based masala. TGF January 1, 2004 http://www.colaco.net ENTER look under NEW!! critical comment invited jc Goa Gorrment Consultants (Heraldo) February 21, 2004 Bhaille v Bitholle: No jobs in Goa for Goans (IGO) January 27, 2004 Identity Crisis: Portuguese Nationality (PTI) December 24, 2003 Expel Goan applicants for Portuguese Nationality (NT) December 31, 2002 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Govt to develop Baina beach as tourist spot
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- -- Govt to develop Baina beach as tourist spot -- The state government plans to rehabilitate the displaced persons and sex workers at Baina by formulating a special scheme shortly and later develop Baina beach as a tourist spot. The government has no plans to hand over the vacated land to any private parties or to the Mormugao Port Trust. This was informed in the state assembly by the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, while replying the calling attention motion over the apprehensions of the people of Baina and Mormugao constituency in view of the High Court order for demolition of 250 cubicles. The motion was jointly tabled by Mr Karl Vaz and Mr Luizinho Faleiro. Mr Parrikar expressed his inability to explain how the government intend to work out a solution at this juncture. Besides, he said, that some vested interests operating in the red-light area might sabotage the solution. However, he said the interest of business community, especially the bar owners and pharmacies, besides sex workers, would be protected. All displaced persons from the area would be suitably rehabilitated, Mr Parrikar informed. The Chief Minister said the government had fixed a meeting with the affected people from Baina along with others on February 25 at 4.30 p.m. to work out some solution to implement the High Court order. After discussing with them I will work out a solution and vested interests would be locked up in jail, Mr Parrikar explained. Mr Parrikar also informed the House that the National Women's Commission is scheduled to visit Goa on February 27 and the rehabilitation schemes would be discussed with the NWC. He also said the government would consult three MLAs Mr Rajendra Arlekar (Vasco), Mr Karl Vaz (Mormugao) and Mr Mathany Saldanha (Cortalim) before finalising the scheme. In response to a demand from Mr Faleiro and Mr Vaz that the government should part with the land to any private parties to develop the area, Mr Parrikar emphasised and said the beach area would be converted into a tourist spot. To another query from Mr Vaz over deportation of sex workers, the Chief Minister said the government cannot deport any Indian citizen from Goa. I will develop Baina on the tourism map of Goa with a surgeon's skill, though I am not a doctor, Mr Parrikar remarked. Mr Rajendra Arlekar (Vasco) raised an issue over some non-governmental organisations provoking sex workers and bar owners and sought to know what action the government intends to take against such NGOs. Stating that the government was aware about the functioning of such NGOs Mr Parrikar said, The government would deal with iron hand against such NGOs. --- The Navhind Times 21/2/04 page 1 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Baina commercial sex workers get food grains from Goa Govt.
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Food grains distributed to Baina sex workers --- The Mormugao Municipal Council, (MMC) distributed food grains to 347 commercial sex workers in red light area of Baina. The food grain distribution programme started from February 17. The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, during his recent visit to the area, had instructed the MMC chief officer, Mr N D Agarwal to distribute food grains to the needy sex workers of the area. The Mormugao Municipal Community Development Society (MMCDS) had conducted a survey for the identification of the needy commercial sex workers. Altogether 450 commercial sex workers have been listed in the MMCDS survey. Each of the sex workers were distributed 10 kgs of food grains. Those present were the MMC chief officer, Mr N D Agarwal, deputy collector, Ms Meena Goltekar, mamlatdar, Mr Anthony D'Souza among others. The Navhind Times 21/2/04 page 3 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet](no subject)
ONE DAY SOCCER FESTIVAL BY CURTORCARES On 25th of this month which is the National Day of Kuwait, Curtorcares United Club under the presidency of well known Goan social worker and most popular citizen of Curtorim in Kuwait Salvador Dias, will organize their 8th Seven-A-Side soccer tournament. This is their annual event which draws lot of interest not only in participating teams but also in the spectators. The main sponsor of the tournament will be NGEECO SIEMENS and the team Curtorcares United is sponsored by SIEMENS MOBILE for the whole season 2003 2004. The total number of teams participating in this tournament will be 15 devided into two groups, Group A Group B. Group A comprises Santos FC, Jain Hind, Bombay Boys B, Goa Maroons B, UG Strikers, United Friends Club and Curtorcares B while Group B consists of Goa Maroons A, CRC Chinchinim, Kerala Challengers, Navelim Youth Centre, Rising Stars, Bombay Boys A, Curtorcares United A and AVC Club. The first match of the tournament will begin at 07.45 A.M. and final will be approximately at 11 to 11.30 A.M. There will be lot of prizes for the winners and runners up and so also for good players and disciplined teams. As usual maintaining its traditional approach, Curtorcares United under Salvador Dias will make this event a most fabulous one for spectators and participants to remember it for long time. As an added attraction, special female compeer Miss Thracha Dmello also the citizen of Curtorim will come from Dubai. Miss DMello is a well-known female compeer in UAE and her attractive presence and female voice will surely give an extra glamour for this one day soccer festival organized by Curtorcares United. During the short break, Curtorcares United will also conduct its Raffle Draw. Speaking to this writer, the president of Curtorcares United, Mr. Salvador Dias on behalf of his managing committee request all the participating teams to be there at Sour Ground in time and welcomes all the soccer loving Goans for this one day festival. As a matter of interest Curtorcares United has recently won the UG organized tournament by beating the strong condenders Bombay Boys and a few days before during their visit to Dubai to participate in Goan Mini World Cup, Curtorcares United earned a very good name for their good performance. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Inquisition in Goa
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some responsible writers - Catholic and Hindu have called the period in Goa 1560-1812 as atrocities by the civilian powers. Many who shoot from their hips whether out of ignorance, prejudice or to sensationalize their writings link the inquisition in Goa mainly to the Catholic Church. Can we know who these responsible writers are, and what the titles of their responsible writings are? It would also be nice to know which well-known, legitimate Goan and Portuguese historians who have written about the inquisition, were motivated by prejudice, sensationalism, etc. As for my posts on this matter, I am motivated only by making certain we are not subjected to revisionist propaganda. We have had enough of that from the Hindutva guys. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Irrational Rational
Gilbert: Now as you have well stated, (and I fully agree) the aim of the inquisition OR MORE CORRECTLY the Portuguese colonial atrocities is to displace the native Goans (obviously Hindus) and undertake a land grab. The question is: Why was a land-grab needed? - Stupid but fundamental question. Answer: To settle all those immigrants from Portugal, who as stated were pouring in their thousands into Goa to get away from Portugal ani Spain - for a whole variety of reasons. Tariq: Fine. But then explain why were Jews who were coming as refugees in boat-loads being victimized? They did not own any land in Goa. So if the Inquisition was about land grabbing, why were Jews killed? This logic does not make sense. The Portuguese tortured, killed and annexed the land of the Hindus so that they could resettle Jewish refugees and then (gasp!) went on to torture and kill these same Jewish refugees? Gilbert responds: As they say: This is how rumors start. :=)) The first reference is about displacing Hindus to settle the immigrants. The response is about killing and torture ani more killing. Talk about bias prejudice and more. :=)) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Global migration. Goan voice Cda.
Today we live in an age of migration. People from every corner of the globe are on the move in unprecedented numbers in search of a better life for themselves and their families. ADDRESS BY THE HONOURABLE JUDY SGRO, MINISTER OF CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION At the Ontario Immigration Roundtable Toronto, Ontario February 9, 2004. Click to see full address and article RESPONSE: How very true. While the people from the so called Third World aspire to go to the West, the relatively well off retirees are looking to retire in places like Goa where their pension will certainly go further, coupled with good weather. Let us hope that the retirees are welcomed with open arms! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Valentine anecdotes- Prize winner
Dear Cecil, Thank your for choosing me as the prize winner,even though I have won by default.I look forward to the basket of red roses. I am little surprised though that nobody shared any Valentine anecdotes. Regards, Melinda Powell ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Jewish Victimization
About the Goan Inquisition Tariq Siddiqui: Fine. But then explain why were Jews who were coming as refugees in boat-loads being victimized? They did not own any land in Goa. So if the Inquisition was about land grabbing, why were Jews killed? This logic does not make sense. The Portuguese tortured, killed and annexed the land of the Hindus so that they could resettle Jewish refugees and then (gasp!) went on to torture and kill these same Jewish refugees? Gilbert responds: Do you have any statistics of Jewish migration to Goa? Do you know why and how they landed? Were they illegal immigrants? Family sponsorship, encouragement by government etc.? Do you have any statistics of Jewish victimization IN GOA- dates, numbers and nature of punishment? I assume anybody coming to a foreign land needs a place to stay and make a livelihood? Thanks for the answers. Regards. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]TIATRO TIATRIST.
Goanet readers, I read the post from A.Veronica Fernandes on TiatroTiatrist with much interest and would find it helpful to discover the approximate date when Italian Burgo was first performed in Bombay. Secondly, Minguel Rod's (and others) oppositional contribution as tiatrists against the dominant castes is something I am particularly interested in. Please, could Mr Fernandes throw more light on this aspect too? Finally, is there a good book available which presents the revolutionary spirit of Goan Tiatr? Many thanks, Cornel ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AWAY FROM THE U.K. FROM TO-MORROW PM, SUNDAY 22 OF FEB TO 14 MARCH 2004
Dear all, I will be leaving the U.K. on Business Travel to India, The Far East and Australia. I leave London 10 P.M. to-morrow Sunday 22nd Feb and return back to London PM 13 March 2004. Please do not send any emails to this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but to the following Office email addresses, as I will be checking my messages everyday from these email addresses, whereever I am: 1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will be visiting the following Cities during my travel. If anyone has friends or Relations in these places, whom you would like me to say hello or pass on any messages do let me know asap on any of the above email addresses: I will be visiting Bombay, Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta (Indonesia), Victoria (Australia), Hong Kong, Shanghai, Taipei, Seoul, Tokyo, Bombay, Goa, Bombay, Muscat, London. Will be travelling in the same order as stated above. Hope you can give me names of some contacts in some, if not all places as this will at least be able me to kill some time, when I am not actually working. Hope to hear from some if not all on the above, soon. Thanks and very best regards, to all. Agnelo Fernandes Could you also please, direct all your emails, from to-morrow on wards to my following email address, as it can take unlimited number of messages than my own private, email address, until further notice. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The above message was originally sent to all my email contacts, friends, relations etc. I thank you in advance for your help plus co-operation. I would also like to add that though I have not sent any write up etc myself, I enjoy reading all the email messages that I get from you all, plus get all the up to date info on not only what is currently happening in Goa, but of Goans, all over the World. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. With very best regards Agnelo Fernandes 42 Wellington Road, Ealing. London W5 4UH also of: 6124 Briarwood Crescent North Delta, British Columbia, V4E 2Y3, Canada. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Inquisition in Goa
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know the word Inquisition and beyond that you DON'T KNOW (the facts) and DON'T CARE about the realities or the terminology. I know very little about the Goan inquisition. But if I wanted to know about it, I would choose to read at least one of the several scholarly books written on it by real historians, and glean some hard facts from this exercise, rather than rely on someone's conjectures, speculations and suppositions. Some of the hard facts that I know so far are as follows. The word inquisition is part of the recorded history of Goa, just as it is part of the recorded history of Europe. I know the name of the Catholic priest who appointed the first Goan inquisitor. I know the names of four physicians who were convicted by this Holy Office, two of whom were each burned at an auto da fe. In another case, the mortal remains were exhumed and burned many years after their interment. In the fourth case, the convicted individual was imprisoned and then consigned to hard labor on a galley. I know that there was a dreaded palace of the inquisition in Goa. I also know that thousands of records pertaining to the Goan inquisition were destroyed some time during the 19th century. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa to promote Virgin Islands as tourist spots: News report
Headline: Goa to promote Virgin Islands as tourist spots Source: UNI via Yahoo India News. 20 Feb. 2004 at http://in.news.yahoo.com/040220/139/2blo1.html The Virgin Islands referred to are presumably Grande and Pequeno islands and not Divar and Chorao. The article has other oddities (!) like: Last year it allowed foreign chartered flights to land and fly out of Panaji. == Full text: Panaji, Feb 20 (ANI): Goa is planning to promote its Virgin Islands as the country's major adventure tourism spot, a concept popular in neighbouring island countries, Sri Lanka and Maldives. The state government's new policy is expected to draw both international and domestic tourists who want to explore the natural beauty of these Islands. The state's Tourism Department has been urging the private sector to take up projects to bring new infrastructure to the remote islands to attract tourists. Tourism Director N. Suryanarayanan said the government would ensure environment protection while making the concept a reality. Somebody can come by boat and see the corals, go for scuba diving and from morining to evening, there are lot of activities. To connect the two islands, we want to make an escalator type of rope-way and at the half way there should be some resting place and there would picnic spots. Without spoiling the environment, without creating anything restaurants or something, it will be a good spot for picnic. Although nearly a million tourists visit Goa, famous for its sun kissed beaches, every year, not many know about the islands around the western coastal resort. But those who enjoyed it said the experience was incredible. We enjoyed specially the corals and all. It was really good, for children also it was a life-long experience. All over India, like in north...we are from north, there are no such beautiful places. So for those who are outside of Goa, it's a good experience, said Neelam Krishnamurthy, a tourist. The authorities hope that the concept would enable the tourists to enjoy various types of water sports like scuba diving, snorkeling, water diving and a glimpse of the corals. The state government has recently chalked out plans to market tourism extensively. Various up-market schemes also have been introduced to attract high-spending tourists to Goa. Last year it allowed foreign chartered flights to land and fly out of Panaji, a move aimed at giving a fillip to the tourism dependent economy of the state. The number of foreign tourists arriving in India in September jumped 23.5 percent from a year ago to 200,803 as the industry rebounded after a bad patch.(ANI) Forwarded by Eddie Fernandes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Fw: Garbage disposal facilities /Melinda Powell
- Original Message - From: David Powell To: goanet Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Garbage disposal facilities /Melinda Powell Hi all, I need some suggestions on how to proceed ,in procuring garbage disposal facilites for the village I live in. We have no bins,the only bin at the entrance of our village,was knocked down,in order to construct new traffic islands.Due to lack of facilities,the villagers are throwing garbage in a stream,which is getting choked with plastics. On Feb 2nd,(Idd holiday),I got all the children of our village together,and organised a village clean up campaign.I sent in a photo(children holding placards) and article which was published in the Herald a week ago.I also organised a signature campaign ,addressed to the Panchayat and to the Margao Muncipal Council,to request the authorities to take action. We are 2 kms away from Margao city,so the MMC says that it is not their responsibility. The Panchayat here is ineffective. Any ideas on how to proceed from here? Thanks, Melinda Powell ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]TIATR ODDITIES!
Cecil wrote: Why does the 'bhatkar' always have to wear a house-coat at home and most often smoke a pipe? First of all, I thank Gracy Morais for answering all the questions posed by Cecil Pinto. As for the above, I would like to comment as follows: Acting demands that an actor/actress enact the given role to the nearest perfection of the character. As such, when an actor/actress is assigned a role, he/she not only visualizes it but tries his/her best to live it in acting. Every one of yester year actors be it Anthony De Sa, Conception, Valente Mascarenhas, Tony Sax, to name a few, enacted the role of Bhattkar with great zeal but the best of them all was Cyriaco Dias who enacted the role with extra care and great precision which is why he was labeled as the Bhattkar of Goan Stage. All of these actors grew up during the Portuguese regime in Goa, and this factor must have helped them muster the role. Yes, every one who enacted the role did wear a house coat, did smoke a pipe, and did carry a walking stick (roth) in his hand because these were symbols of status of a real Bhattkar then. I shall give below some background which justifies the use of the above three symbols: The stories of most Tiatros half a century ago revolved around landlords and tenants. It was either a dispute between landlord and tenant or a love story between a tenants daughter and landlords son. I am sure everyone is aware that Portuguese ruled Goa through landlords or Bhattkars. The administrators made sure the Bhattkars enjoyed every privilege while the poor remained suppressed. The administrators also did not promote education for fear of revolt. There was only one Primary school in every village, and the highest Portuguese education then was either Liceum or Escola Technica. However, there was a prerequisite to join a school ones parents had to own a piece of land and a house on it otherwise his children could not attend school. Since Bhattkar was delegated full powers, if a tenant sent his children to school without his knowledge, he would summon that tenant, scold him and sometimes beat him with roth and make him withdraw his children from school. Not only that, he would instruct the tenant to immediately send his children to work in his property. Since the Bhattkar lived in luxury, he created a special status for himself both inside and outside the house. While indoors, he wore a house coat, sandals and smoked a pipe. When he went out of the house, he wore a pair of trousers, a shirt and a coat, a hat on his head, held a walking stick in his hand and smoked a pipe. Whenever he talked to tenants, he strolled up and down to convey his authority, took too many puffs at the pipe and swung the stick whenever he was angry and even beat tenants with it. The Portuguese provided Goans plenty to eat and drink. Thus, the pre-liberation Goan enjoyed all the leisures of life, which ultimately made him socegado. He actually ate, drank and went to sleep without any worries; he was too tired to think of anything, and why think when everything was easily available! The Portuguese was happy at the situation and thought it had succeeded in suppressing the Goans but there were others who had devoted themselves to the cause of freedom and they ultimately succeeded in liberating Goa from the clutches of dictatorship. The role of a Bhattkar in a Tiatr in yester years was a true reflection of the atrocities exercised by the landlords during the Portuguese regime. The rich class did not appreciate and attend tiatros because they were criticized from the stage. In those days, the Goan stage served as the venue to criticize the landlords or anyone who ill-treated the masses. Songs were sung in the form of ZUPATTEOS and even stories were filled with dialogues to taunt the wrong doers. However, Tiatr underwent drastic post liberation changes during the 4th quarter of the last century. New writers/directors emerged and they introduced new themes which were totally different from the old form. There was still criticism but it did not directly hint at landlords. So, gradually Bhattkars, priests, nuns, lawyers, officers, etc. began attending Tiatros and today almost anyone and everyone patronizes our Tiatros. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others #
[Goanet]KONKANI SHOW TIATRO TIATRIST
KONKANI SHOW TIATRO TIATRIST As scheduled, Kuwait Goan Tiatristanchi Sonvstha initiated by Marcus Vaz as announced on the stage, organized their maiden show TIATRO ANI TIATRIST at Gulf English School, Rumethiya, Kuwait on Friday 20th of this month. Though the show was scheduled to begin at 3.30, it finally started at 4.10. The show was attended by the capacity crowd though the hall was small compared to IAC. To my knowledge first time in the history of Kuwait Tiatro KD 10/- per ticket was charged for the first class and inspite of this no reservation allotted. The show was organized in association with Goan Welfare Society and the proceeds of this show KD 600/- + as announced by the organizers will be distributed into 4 parts and sent to 4 ageing tiatrists namely 1: Prem Kumar. 2: Mary Vaz. 3: Paul Romy and 4: John Nazareth. 22 musicians like an orchestra - provided the musical score for this show. Due to these many musical instruments the clarity of the singers drowned thereby denying the audience the exact meaning of the words. Konkani tiatro system is such that audience needs to grasp the words clearly. Secondly the mike system was not up to mark. At an outset Jose Rod the author of the revengeful phenomenon first time introduced in this part of the world To Aslear Aum Nachona welcomed the audience and praised the old artistes who have done yeomen services for the cause of Tiatro. Yes, is Jose Rod worthy of praising those oldies who were immaculate in their character as against his own who is on record to destroy his colleague by using the above phenomenon? This point has to be understood very well by the lovers of tiatros and if necessary deliberated for the good of tiatro and tiatrist. The stage set up was not up to the mark as it should be. In future the organizers should take note of this. It is very nice to help the old needy tiatrists but it would have been still better if GWS also had to come forward and help on their own not only the needy tiatrists but many of the needy Goans as well. GWS is having in its kitty around KD 30 thousand (approx. Rs. 50 lakhs) collected from the people patronage. After all GWS came into being as welfare association to look after the welfare of the people who need help. It is absolutely right to use public funds collected thru the assistance of public for the cause of public benefit, especially those who are in dire need, namely some of the poverty stricken tiatrists and promoters of Goan causes. In Kuwait many of our people need lot of financial assistance and if our associations decide to take up this issue seriously I am sure none of the Goans suffering from financial or any other deficiencies will face problem. Like Parsis, we are a community with a special gift to care for the community cause, this is the tradition of Goans and it has to be maintained. KGTS must go on doing what they are doing now in helping their needy colleagues as they did now by disbursing the profits immediately to the needy. The musical show consisted of small skits and songs. Amongst the Skits the last one enacted by Mario Philip Domnick was excellent deserving mention while the rest were not up to the mark. Amongst the songs, which deserve mention, were both the solos of Remie J. Colaco, one on Goa showing his concern for the ills happening in Goa and the other on Avoibapaiche Koixtt which he earlier rendered somewhere in late 1969/1970. I still remember this song, which was recorded then while he was singing it in Goa. Many of the young boys of my age then sang it for many of the local village based functions. I am sure it will have the required effect because many of our Kuwaitkars are neglecting and maltreating their parents and finally dumping them as dead stock in Old Age House when it was not necessary. Both the trios of trio kings Joaquim-Jr.Rod-Anthony were good. Joaquims delivery was beautiful and he has a very attractive voice. I understand he is the brother of veteran artiste Josephine from Colva. The first trio highlighted the ill effects of BJP and communalization of Goan life by Parrikar and the other on the death of Dr. Rosario Rodrigues. The second trio though rather late yet audience liked it. Peter - Roshan duets were liked by the audience and Roshans solo Yo Re Moga, Mojea Raja had a filmi touch in it. Her dress code, acting and singing created total romantic outlook and this solo really looked like the solo in the musical show. Her attractive looks and charming personality gave an added booster for this solo. Comedian Domnick rendered his solos in his usual style but lacked solid punch. The duo of Christopher and Laurent remembering some of the dead tiatrists was well sung. Joe Rose solos and his trio with Peter-Roshan rendered well. Joe Rose after a long gap showed that he is still one of the best singers and composers. Comedian Philips solo as a pregnant
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Sosnnikaechea munxeachea ragak samballun rau (Beware the fury of a patient man) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Cecil Frederick I think you are mixing two issues. On the one hand, their are descriptive names for places (or people for that matter) which evolve over time and are sometimes based on complex histories. So it is not unusual for a place to have many variants not simply by language as both of you point out (hardly an issue), but over time. That is not my concern. In fact, it would not bother me if someone referred to Panjim as Pooli or Siolim as Colva as long as I understood what they meant. In their world such fantastic usages may work. The issue as I see it, is having an official name so the business of the city can be conducted. Take for example, Eddie's issue with the cheque. What if he wanted to make it payable to the City of Ponde and wanted the Panjim clerk to accept it. By your logic, she should. What if she decided that he should write the cheque to City of Party? Should the bank accept such a cheque into the city's account? Should there not be any common standard? This is my last email on this topic. George --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are internationally known German cities. If they can manage with variations in the spelling of their names, why can't we? In almost any country, specially those that were once colonised, you will find variations in the way a city name is spelt. As long as it does not cause any major problems I feel we should let it be. There is a richness in diversity. --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to push for one over the other probably betrays a hegemonistic attitude. Anyway, that's how life is... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Inquisition in Goa
Santosh: I don't understand what you are trying to say. All I know is that there was an inquisition in Goa. It was conducted in the name of the Catholic Church and its religion. It is part of Goa's history, and we have to recognize that fact. We don't have to be grateful to anybody for bringing us the inquisition. Gilbert responds: I love your honesty! You know the word Inquisition and beyond that you DON'T KNOW (the facts) and DON'T CARE about the realities or the terminology. If you are going to make an opinion at least try to understand the issues. Like many you are just recycling the same old stuff. The inquisition for Heresy and Blasphemy was done by the Catholic Church and we Catholics do recognize them. But instead of making the statements, can you through your research place on the web one of more specific examples of inquisition IN GOA for heresies and Blasphemy. Or is it going to be generalities and the sodancehm rengetengten. :=)) Your example of the dotor could not hold water for the usual ani sodanchem 'Heresy and Blasphemy'. :=)) You like many Goans who opine on this period appear to want it both ways - unrestricted immigration and don't displace the local population. You may be a prefect candidate for a democratically elected governor of Goa in 1560. :=)) I am sure you know, but for others, I am looking for the Goan artist or sculpture in 1500-1800 that followed the Florentine artists and worked on Goa's version of (nude) Venus or David. :=)) Now that along with associated abhorrent and aberrant morals and sexual practices are examples of 'Heresy and Blasphemy'! So do you think native Goans of the 1530-1800 were into Heresy and Blasphemy? These are your and mine great grand grand. grand forebears. Do you think they were even close to Heresy and Blasphemy for which the Inquisition was so famous? At least we can agree on this: That it is very, very unlikely - not even in their wildest dreams. The reasons why this is unlikely is because Portuguese Goa of this period was a rural-agrarian-fishing society (Old Goa was the only city) that was steep into extended and joint-family living where everyone grew and behaved under the watchful eyes of some grand-parent or one or more aunts.:=)) The inquisition was at home. :=)) I am using this word Inquisition since we Goans are using it for everything else OR perhaps we are using a word we may not know the true meaning..:=)) As I read the web pages of the INQUISITION IN GOA by Goans and others, I could as well be reading the reports on the inquisition in Europe. There is little specifics of names of villages in Goa, time, date, name of the native Goan victim(s), age, sex, ethnic background, etc.. All that I read is a repeat of what occurred and has been published in Europe. Regards, Gilbert. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
