[Goanet]HOLIDAY EATING TIPS
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## HOLIDAY EATING TIPS 1. Avoid carrot sticks. Anyone who puts carrots on a holiday buffet table knows nothing of the holiday spirit. In fact, if you see carrots, leave immediately. Go next door, where they're serving rum balls. 2. Drink as much eggnog as you can. And quickly. Like fine single-malt scotch, it's rare. In fact, it's even rarer than single-malt scotch. You can't find it any other time of year but now. So drink up! Who cares that it has 10,000 calories in every sip? It's not as if you're going to turn into an eggnog-aholic or something. It's a treat. Enjoy it. Have one for me. Have two. It's later than you think. It's the holidays! 3. If something comes with gravy, use it. That's the whole point of gravy. Gravy does not stand alone. Pour it on. Make a volcano out of your mashed potatoes. Fill it with gravy. Eat the volcano. Repeat. Mighty good on French Fries, too! 4. As for mashed potatoes, always ask if they're made with skim milk or whole milk. If it's skim, pass. Why bother? It's like buying a sports car with an automatic transmission. 5. Do not have a snack before going to a party in an effort to control your eating. The whole point of going to a holiday party is to eat other people's food for free. Lots of it. Hello? 6. Under no circumstances should you exercise between now and New Year's. You can do that in January when you have nothing else to do. This is the time for long naps, which you'll need after circling the buffet table while carrying a 10-pound plate of food and that vat of eggnog. 7. If you come across something really good at a buffet table, position yourself near and don't budge. Have as much as you can before becoming the center of attention. It's like a great set of golf clubs. If you leave them behind, you're never going to see them again. 8. Same for pies. Apple. Pumpkin. Pecan . Have a slice of each. Or, if you don't like Pecan, have two apples and one pumpkin. Always have three. When else do you get to have more than one dessert? Labor Day? 9. Did someone mention fruitcake? Granted, it's loaded with the mandatory celebratory calories, but avoid it at all cost. I mean, have some standards. 10. One final tip: If you don't feel terrible when you leave the party or get up from the table, you haven't been paying attention. Reread tips; start over, but hurry, January is just around the corner. Remember this motto to live by: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, greasy fries in one hand, beer in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Re IFFI and bridge closure
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## I am sorry, Tony, but I don't remember anything about the bridge over the river Tagus having been closed for those celebrations of the 500th anniversary of the Portuguese Discoveries. Those celebrations took place in 1998 (commemorating Vasco da Gama's landing at Calicut in 1498); and, as the much-talked-about and extremely successful Expo'98 (World Exhibition) also took place during several months of that year, I doubt that it would be possible for the authorities to close the bridge at that juncture. Anyway, you may be right, after all. Jorge - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: [Goanet]Re IFFI and bridge closure Seb wrote on the subject (quote): Regarding the bridge closure, I must admit that the news about this bridge came as a bolt from the blue. I have no clue about its setting. But why close a bridge on a big highway for a party? Very strange, indeed. Strange indeed - It happens only In GOA Ajib hai Goa ke loag(people) remember!! -- Strange as it may seem, it is not so strange after all! If I remember correctly, the famous bridge on the Tagus river at Lisbon was similarly closed for a celebration some years ago (I think it was during the centenary celebrations of the Portuguese discoveries.) It is quite possible that the organisers of the Corjuem bridge party got their inspiration from this precedent! Perhaps Jorge (Abreu Noronha) could clarify. ---Tony Correia-Afonso.
[Goanet]for viviana
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## I am told Viviana and Aristo are in Goa. if anyone knows where they are, please let me know how to contact them, such as telephone number, etc. I am in Bogmalo and my cell number is 9890479418. unfortunately, i can't get calls on this in bogmalo because of the range problem. when I go to the hilltop at dabolim or vasco i get the calls. however, my home number is 2538004, but at times i am not at home. eugene __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Ayurvedic medicine warning
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Just a heads up for those of you who use ayurvedic medicines. I remember a spirited discussion on alternative medicine about a year ago. Newsday yesterday reported that a significant percentage of these products have been found to contain lead, arsenic and mercury in them. Full story here: http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hslead154084360dec15,0,4487375.story Regards, Daniel Soares Stony Brook, New York
[Goanet]What's that now?
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Hi Tim If the message you posted below is an Advt fine, but if it is just a message then you should imagine what will happen if the 7000 odd goanet members start congratulating the new parents and grandparents on this forum. I mean certain things are personal. Anyway people getting married (or even those intimately in love) are most likely to get kids. Why make the natural process of procreation as a sort of personal achievement to be trumpeted on a public forum. Tony Martin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: SKY BUS TESTING TO RESUME!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## In response to my question of Dec 8 about the findings of the investigation into the crash of the Sky Bus on its test run two and a half months ago, there was an interview in Times of India (Mumbai), Dec 15, 2004, in which the MD of KRC (the inventor of Sky Bus) has put the blame on the inadvertent RE-greasing of the test track 10 days after it had been DE-greased. This led to the speeding of the Sky Bus at 50 (fifty) kph instead of maintaining the rate of 20 kph around the curve. This explanation seems to clear the technology (which is close to the MD's heart) but raises grave doubts about a) test procedures and b) sabotage by vested interests. Regarding the latter the MD himself admits in the interview that one of the vital lessons for us is that technology with mass applications should be tested in more protected environs, preventing access to unauthorised persons. The test side has since been strictly barricaded. But more than physical barriers, there seems to have been a serious problem about the attitude or mind set of the testing staff right down the line. The test ride seems to have been more of a joy ride with pandals and crowds and a festive atmosphere. Why the seriousness of the re-greasing activity was not realised, monitored and rectified in time, is a real mystery. A full report of the investigation into the accident should be made public as promised by KRC at the earliest. Regarding Gabriel de Figueiredo's comment about the design, the TOI interview has this concluding line: It not only saves space but also optimises their use by allowing for cyber cafes, marts, jogging tracks etc on the roof top and deliver containerised garbage to dumps automatically. Hope this reference will be of interest.
[Goanet]Re IFFI and bridge closure
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## -- Strange as it may seem, it is not so strange after all! If I remember correctly, the famous bridge on the Tagus river at Lisbon was similarly closed for a celebration some years ago (I think it was during the centenary celebrations of the Portuguese discoveries.) It is quite possible that the organisers of the Corjuem bridge party got their inspiration from this precedent! Perhaps Jorge (Abreu Noronha) could clarify. ---Tony Correia-Afonso. The original bridge over the Tagus is known as the Ponte 25 de Abril and it bears a striking resemblance to the Golden Gate bridge in Frisco. It is only about 2.3 km long. By contrast the new Vasco da Gama Bridge inaugurated in 1998 to relieve the congestion on the Ponte 25 de Abril is a cable stayed bridge (like the Aldona-Corjuem(sp?) bridge?!) but it is reportedly 17km (seventeen km only!) long! I doubt if it was blocked any time after commissioning to celebrate anything! :)
Re: [Goanet]Re: Defence Committee visiting Dabolim in Jan 2005
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- flower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If any Goa netters have any relevant data or arguments in this regard, we would be grateful if you would send it in. Please see my submission at http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-September/017960.html. Cheers, Gabriel. P.S. A fuller version of that article complete with photographs will be shortly available on www.colaco.net. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Sea Harrier crash lands at the Naval air station at DABOLIM AIRPORT
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This conforms to the PRO's statement about crashing while touching down. It is not clear, however, what the flight trajectory had to do with the crash unless the plane had gone out of control. I reckon that is navyspeak (or gobbledegook) for pilot error. Fred's posting of Sea Harrier crashes in and around Goa including one missing in flight seems pretty high. Are these pilots sober when they take off? One should think they ought to have 0.00% blood-alcohol reading prior to taking control of the plane. Just my gut-feelings. Cheers, Gabriel. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Goa and migrants
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## It has been observed that a lot has been said and written on this forum mostly in support of the migrants. It is not at all my intention to refute. But I would just like to say that what has been so far presented is from one camera angle only. There is definitely another which I propose to present. Those who endorse the ghantis are chappies in North America. I wonder if these chappies landed in the States via parachutes. Goa is free for all. Except that Goans with their original citizenship have to visit police stations as part of the bharat post 61 package. Besides the US is a country of migrants but migration is somewhat controlled, this is not the case of Goa. Why do casmiris need to sell their stuff when some fake journo from Saligao could do the same? One must not forget that it is via Goa that bharat has prospered I am referring to the foreign exchange. B. Colaco ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I still haven't heard an explanation about what happened to the Iraqi WMDs that were never accounted for. Ooops! I forgot! The Globe Mail told you that they never had any! Sorry. Can't expect an answer from you on that question. I fail to understand why you continue to peddle lies on this forum. http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqweapons.html -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]All Colin Powell's fault!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9. I hate to disappoint you, Ronald, but I volunteered to go to Iraq, and they turned me down on the grounds that I'm an old fart with heart disease and on the verge of surviving cancer. So, I have no choice but to reiterate the facts as I know them until everyone at least gets their facts straight. Then whatever You could always go to Iraq on your own as a free lancer. Just catch a flight to Jordan and you should be on your way. -Tariq __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Sea Harrier crashes... factsheet
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Indian Warbirds Warbirds Overseas Air Crashes News Features Links IAF Attrition Details from to date 10 records +- |DATE|AIRCRAFT|CAT| RANK |NAME |UNIT| S NO | || NAME | | | || | |++---+---+-++---+ | 04-May-1988| Sea| F | Sqn | Vinod Mehta*| 300| IN-601| | Near Goa |Harrier | |Ldr| || | |++---+---+-++---+ | 27-Jun-1988| Sea| | | || | | Chengalpat-|Harrier | F | | | 300| IN-652| | tu dist|T.61| | | || | |++---+---+-++---+ | 09-Jun-1992| Sea| F | | | 300| IN-619| ||Harrier | | | || | |++---+---+-++---+ | 09-Dec-1992| Sea| F | | | 300| IN-612| ||Harrier | | | || | |++---+---+-++---+ || Sea| | | || | } 02-Aug-1994|Harrier | F | Cdr | K M Karnik* | 300| | ||T.61| | INASDabolim Cdr Rana killedTrainer |++---+---+-++---+ || Sea| | | || | | 08-Feb-1996|Harrier | F | Lt| Arun Poonia*| 300| IN-620| | From Goa - missing during nightflying over sea.| | |++---+---+-++---+ | 30-Sep-1997| Sea| F | Lt| TSS Prakash*| 300| IN-611| ||Harrier | Dabolim, Cr in sea || | |++---+---+-++---+ | 23-Nov-1998| Sea| F | | | 300| | ||Harrier | Cr in Indian Ocean Pt bo|| | |++---+---+-++---+ | 25-May-2001| Sea| F | Lt Cdr| Vikram Menon| 300| | ||Harrier | Cr near Canacona. TO from Dabolim| |++---+---+-++---+ || Sea| | | || | | 24-Aug-2003|Harrier | F | Lt| S H Azad| 300| | | Cr in sea off Goa - tech failure during ldg phase | | +- From http://www.warbirdsofIndia.com/Crashes/search.asp?plane=103pg=1
[Goanet]Symposium -- relevance of NOGs in Goa today (Dec 18, 3 pm Panjim)
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## GOA MUKTI DIN Contact Address: C/o. AITUC, Velho Bldg. 2nd. Floor, Panjim Municipal Garden, Panjim, Goa 403001. Phones: 436 / 2420424 On 19th. December last year, various Non-Governmental Organisations, Social Action Groups, Community Based Organisations, Trade Unions, Civic Action Groups and People's Movements, celebrated a Lok Utsav on Goa Mukti Din. It was held in an inclusive and popular style through song, dance, skits, speeches and a visual display of their respective activities. Many said it was a very meaningful way of commemorating this historic day, where people could express their views on what liberation meant for them. They also wanted that such an event be held every year. Continuing this practice, though in a different manner and on a day previous, it has been decided to observe Goa Mukti Din with a PEOPLE'S SYMPOSIUM on 18th.December 2004, from 3.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. at the T.B. Cunha Hall, Azad Maidan, Panjim. Subject of the Symposium: The Relevance of Non-Governmental Organisations in Goa Today. Presidium: Mr. Flavian Dias, Mr. Kalanand Mani and Adv. Norma Alvares. Secretary to the Presidium: Adv. Subash Naik After a brief introduction by a member of the Presidium, the participants will be free to critically voice their views on the subject of the Symposium, substantiating them with concrete evidence, wherever possible. Members of the Presidium will respond accordingly. The Secretary will later sum up the day's proceedings. We wish to invite you to continue making Goa Mukti Din, a significant and memorable day once more; and look forward to your active participation in this event. Conceptualised by: Mr. Kalanand Mani, Com. Christopher Fonseca, Mr. Beethoven Fonseca, Mr. Soter D'Souza Mr. Reggie Gomes.
Re: [Goanet]HERITAGE MUSICAL SHOW 05.
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## HERITAGE MUSICAL SHOW 05. The Musical shows organized by KHK are very much in demand because of the quality and performances of the local as well as visiting artistes. KUWAIT LOCAL ARTISTES ARE MUCH BETTER THAN GOAN VISITING TIATRIST. Felicio -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! Powered by Outblaze
[Goanet]Congrats Marlon and Aldila!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Congratulations Marlon and Aldila! On the birth of your beautiful baby. Make sure you celebrate the baby's Sixth Night and keep the home tidy and ready for the visit from the Goddess of the Sixth Night. Who knows what the future holds, make the Goddess welcome! Good luck! May God bless you all! Silviano Barbosa
[Goanet]17 DEC 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS December 17, 2004. SUICIDE PACT, ONE DEAD, TWO CRITICAL: Early Thursday morning (16 Dec) two young couples from Bangalore, upset at parental opposition to their relationships, attempted to commit suicide in a city hotel. One died and two are fighting for their lives at Goa Medical College hospital, while the fourth has almost completely recovered. Police believe that the suicide was planned well in advance even to the extent that the couples brought poisonous pesticides and varnish with them from Bangalore before checking into a hotel in Panaji. (GT) NAVAL JET CRASHES AT DABOLIM: A Sea Harrier fighter jet crash-landed at Dabolim runway at about 9.30 am on December 16. According to high level sources in the Naval administration, the fighter jet piloted by Lt Manik Mehta was on a routine sortie, and was hovering above the runway in preparation for landing when it suddenly lost power and crash-landed thereby blocking the runway to civilian air traffic for several hours. (GT) NEW POWER LINE TO PANAJI SOON: Decks have been cleared to bring the new power supply to Panaji from 220 KV Tivim sub-station across Mandovi river after PWD gave the green signal, informed Power Minister Digamber Kamat. (GT) LUIZINHO THREATENS TO CHALLENGE: Goa Pradesh Congress Committee president Luizinho Faleiro, on December 16, warned that if he found any statement or finding against him in the Pendse Commission report into the functioning of the EDC, he would challenge the same in the appropriate forum, to vindicate his honour, dignity and self-respect. (GT) VERNA TENSE: Tension is brewing in Verna after a group of locals and migrants clashed at Cumborta ward on December 15 night. Locals gathered in large numbers last night after news spread that migrant labourers assaulted local panch Socorro Braganza. (H) VASCO HAWKERS OPPOSE RELOCATION: A large number of hawkers staged a demonstration in front of the Mormugao Municipal Council building on December 16, in protest of the council's move to remove them from their site in the open space of the municipal modern market complex. (H) NEW ASSEMBLY SEGMENTS BY DEC END: The Delimitation Commission headed by Justice Kuldip Singh on Thursday finalised the proposals received during the two public hearings and the final decision of the redrawing of 40 Assembly constituencies would be made at New Delhi by December end. (GT) ARRESTED FOR CHEATING: Verna police arrested one Peter Gama from Cortalim on charges of cheating some youngsters from the village on the promise of providing them overseas jobs. (H) LIQUOR SEIZED: The Excise Department has confiscated foreign liquor worth Rs.25,000 reported to have been in the illegal possession of a hotel establishment in Colva. (H) DKA TO FELICITATE LUMINARIES: Twenty distinguished personalities of Goa who have excelled in music, dance, drama, literature, etc, will be felicitated by the Dalgado Konknni Akademi during the grand musical show Ek Konknni Sangitachi Sanz to be held today at 7 pm at Holy Spirit Church Ground, Margao. Those to be feted are Anthony Gonsalves, Sebastiao Araujo, Remmie Colaco, Rico Rod, Fr Moreno FD'Souza, John Claro Fernandes, M Boyer, Philomena Braz, Domnick Vaz, Antonio Moraes, Rom Tony, Master Vaz, BE Mendes, Titta Pretto, Martinho Dourado, Socorro Piedade Fernandes, Fr Lagrange Fernandes, Alegre Antao, John Gomes and Antonio XF Dias. Pormoll, the annual magazine of DKA will be released on the occasion. Jerome Mendes, a well wisher of Konkani language, will grace the function, while DKA's president Tomazinho Cardozo will preside. (GT) SAHITYA ACADEMY'S GOLDEN JUBILEE: The Sahitya Academy will celebrate its golden jubilee with a two-day programme beginning with a Mushaira-cum-Kavi Sammelan (poet's meet) from 6 pm on December 17 at the Kala Academy. Gulzar, the distinguished poet and film personality will be the chief guest for the function. On the second day the programme will have a documentary Film Festival at the Black Box of the Kala Academy from 10.30 am. GERMAN NATIONAL DENIED BAIL: The District and Sessions Court on December 15 rejected the bail plea of the German national, Gunte Backmann, 69. Backmann was arrested on 29 November by the Colva police on the allegation of having sexual intercourse with a minor girl. (GT) SCHOLARSHIPS FOR STUDYING IN SWITZERLAND: Gatson Foundation, Zurich, is offering scholarships for Indian students interested in studying post graduate level programmes in hospitality management in Switzerland. Those interested should write to Jaffe Punnoose Foundation, Kurichy, Kottayam 686 549, Kerala. Tel 0481-2430470. (H) RELEVANCE OF NGOS: The Goa Mukti Din, Panaji,
[Goanet]Re: Defence Committee visiting Dabolim in Jan 2005
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Members of a Defence Committee are expected to visit Dabolim Airport sometime in January 2005 to assess the necessity of the airport being under the Navy. A group of persons seeking to get Dabolim reverted to civilian status are working on a memorandum to be presented to the members of the Committee. If any Goa netters have any relevant data or arguments in this regard, we would be grateful if you would send it in. Or it may be an opportunity for others to also try and meet with the committee and make presentations if they wish to. I do not know at this point in time what the procedure is going to be, but it may be wise to be prepared. Thanks. Diana
Re: [Goanet]for viviana
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am told Viviana and Aristo are in Goa. if anyone knows where they are, please let me know my cell number is 9890479418.unfortunately, i can't get calls on this in bogmalo because of the range problem. eugene omment: What with all the focus on IFFI,and the justifcation to declare goa it's permanent venue, Will someone in the Govt. do something about the range problems,of the cell-phones of 'the common man in goa', in this day and age of GPRS WORLD ACCESS. Any feed back from journos' on their experiences in this regard? v.f. __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Sea Harrier crash lands at the Naval air station at DABOLIM AIRPORT
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## According to the HERALD, there were TWO pilots including a trainee, not one as the PRO's statement indicates. Both reportedly escaped unhurt. Also, the HERALD says that the Sea Harrier crashed on the runway during landing at a SHORT height (emphasis mine). This conforms to the PRO's statement about crashing while touching down. It is not clear, however, what the flight trajectory had to do with the crash unless the plane had gone out of control.
[Goanet]Re: Goa and migrants
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience of life tells me that there is some difference between Goans and others. We Goans are truly great. R.Cabral My experience tells me that there is very little difference between Goans and others. We seem to be no greater or worse than any other community. On average, we are well average. Regards, George
[Goanet]Niallunk
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Niallunk Chovis horancho dis dennem Devachem Hat paiam zoroun udarposonn kor tujem Disantleo kaim godieo Devak bhettoi Tachean ghoddtta mon somadhan korunk tujem. Daniel F. de Souza Vasku, Goem
[Goanet]Organise a clean up
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL responds: Beyond professional associations and social activities what else did you have in mind to We sure need to do something about this!? Perhaps you should do something with those whom you have on board. Rene's posting was as a result of my posting re volunteers (aka holding a working bee) to clean up the new GMC Hospital at Bambolim as well as the Asilo at Mapuca, to give them a more respectable and hygienic environment. If the Govt cannot be bothered, the citizens should start taking the initiative and do something about it. Recent photographs of the Asilo sent to me by Floriano Lobo (and I forwarded a couple of them to Dr. Jose Colaco as well) shocked me, in view of the millions spent on IFFI. To reiterate what I had said, I was conversing with an Aussie acquaintance, and the topic of Goan hospitals came up - the idea of approaching the Lions / Rotary clubs to organise a clean-up of the surrounds and perhaps spruce up the buildings themselves was the result. I had also requested input from the netters - nothing seems to have come out of it so far. One could also obtain sponsorship for these projects from busisnesses to supply specialists (landscapers, painters, gardeners, etc) materials required to give the places a renewed look. But it needs organising. I think Goa Su-Raj could make use of this opportunity to further its image and organise a group of volunteers (and sponsors -- with no strings attached apart from publicity -- if required) to do the needful (provided of course the hospital management and relevant authorities have no objection). Cheers, Gabriel. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: SKY BUS TESTING TO RESUME!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Gabriel de Figueiredo's comment about the design, the TOI interview has this concluding line: It not only saves space but also optimises their use by allowing for cyber cafes, marts, jogging tracks etc on the roof top and deliver containerised garbage to dumps automatically. Hope this reference will be of interest. Precisely. But the photos of the test track disprove this notion of space-saving! Imagine a sky-train between the Panjim town square (in front of the Church) to Miramar. Where are these huge concrete pillars going to be placed? On the middle of existing roads? On pavements? And what about access to the stations? Where will the staircases be? Will there be any lifts (elevators in American terms) for old/infirm/disabled people? I cannot perceive this project to save ANY space at all. Unless my imagination is faulty. Forget the cyber-cafes, marts, jogging tracks on any roof-tops. These are just pipe-dreams to divert attention from the problems. For a reality check, are there any adequate crossing facilities across the tracks at Konkan Railways stations for aged and/or disabled people? Remember the letters relating to old people having to cross railway tracks on foot and negotiate a steep climb to the station platform when a train at Margao station was diverted to an unused platform? Cheers, Gabriel. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Economics of IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GL response: Well said Miguel. The list of government improvements (expenditures) across Goa has improved the quality of life of Goans. And that is great! In macro-economic terms, however none of these projects (outlined below) that the gorrment built leads to significant revenues (return on investment). If they lead to some revenues it is from native Goans. In fact these Govt. projects will continue to be items where necessarily every year more gorrment money needs to be allocated for them! So where does this money come from? The answer is obvious except to those who wear blinkers! Tujem sangok sarkem assa ki amcho Goemkaramcho ekvott nam mhunn. Pun oh ekvott aminch somest Goemkaramnim goddun adcho podtolo xho maca dista. Aplea gharak saron bhailo eun marcho nam. Apnemch marpak zai. Regards, GL Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] kiteak music amche rogtant assa! Punn football player ami 'import' kortanv Kiteak tho amcho put...he is the son of Goa and not an outsider ani to kantaram kortalo 'Goan Film Festival of Goa' hachea mancher. To konkani uloita ani boroita and konkani filmani kantaram korta...Yeh hai Jaalwa ...o halwa. O Meri Munni, Pyar to hona hi tha and Pack that smack...drugs murre...soggle goemkar kortant...Everybody wants to unhh...without the fear of AIDS. Kaibori amchi bhas Adlea Sorkaran GMC bandhli Pednean, International Centre bandhlo Canacona, Assembly bandhli Sanvordean, High Court bandhlo Tilamola, Medical College bandli Valpoi, Dental College bandhli Bichole, Architecture College bandhli Cumbarjua, Home Science College bandhli Kalay ,Mental hospital bandhlo Benaule, Swimming pool bandhlo Cutbona and Kadamba bus depot bandhlo Chandor. Corjuem bridge, Amona bridge, Poira bridge, Chapora bridge ani her soggle pul asa Ponje. Canaconachem bus stand as Ponje. Kadamba by-pass road asa Ponje. Fondechem Rajiv Gandhi Kala Mandir asa Ponje. Soglench Cidade de Goa. Kitem re fottoi fottoi everybody? Goddeachi oklam munsheani galchi nhoim. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]Where is our pride?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Where is the famous Goan pride? Where is the famous Goan honour regarding its language Konkani? Konkani is our state language but are we Goans proud of it? Then why is it not being displayed on street signs, hoardings and above all used during various national festivals that this state hosts? Where is the pride and how come no one is fighting for it now? What has happened to all those stormy petrels who fought so assiduously in the 1990s? Where are their thoughts now, have they gone astray? It has been a good ten years, since the state and its people fought on the Konkani issue. The then Congress government made Konkani the official language but a walk around any market in Mapusa, Panjim and Margao and one will see English displayed on most street signs. Today it is more fashionable to speak English and any other foreign language but not the state language. What has happened and why are we Goans ignoring our state language and so blasé about it. Every state has its own news bulletin in their own state language and set of programmes in the state language catering to the local people. But in Goa, a different set of rules apply. We may have the Dordarshan Kendra but no news bulletin in Konkani. It is read out in Marathi from Mumbai. Why this step-motherly treatment to Konkani? What is the use of trying to set up a film culture in the state when the news bulletin, which is meant for the common man, cannot be read out in the state language? Yes, where is the Goan pride towards its own language? Where is the government and the people support for the language? The irony of the situation, we screen a Konkani movie at the recently concluded International Film Festival. No doubt it is a matter of pride but the irony the director is from Bangalore. Are their no Goan directors who can make the state proud? Even our mando festivals, which is the bedrock of Goan culture and language, is struggling for wont of funds from the government. It is upto the Goan people to fight and to show pride in their language. Every state in India be it Punjab, Bengal, Orrissa and even tiny Meghalaya is proud of their state language. We, Goans, too should show some pride and fight to see that Konkani is used predominantly at all international festivals and irrespective of the cause we should not let our thoughts stray from this issue. O Heraldo Editorial (15th Dec.2004) = http://www.goa-world.net/poems http://www.goa-world.net/poems/lino __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]This Friday's Screening -- My Girlfriend's Boyfriend
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## MOVING IMAGES My Girlfriend's Boyfriend (France, 1987) Director Eric Rohmer, 99 minutes Screening on 17th December 2004 Venue: International Centre Goa, Dona Paula Time: 6:30 pm Blanche (Emmanuelle Chaulet) works for the council at Cergy-Pontoise, a new town just outside Paris. One day she meets Léa (Sophie Renoir) and the two young women become friends. At the local swimming pool, they bump into Alexandre (François-Eric Gendron) and his girlfriend Adrienne (Anne-Laure Meury). Blanche is immediately attracted to Alexandre. However, one day during the holidays she bumps into Fabien (Eric Veillard), who's Léa's boyfriend. My Girlfriend's Boyfriend was the sixth and last of Rohmer's Comedies and Proverbs series, which occupied him through most of the 1980s. Each of the six films illustrates a saying: here it's 'My friend's friends are my friends' Rohmer's directing style had developed a simplicity that's deceptive, because the camera is always in the right place, and the editing (by Maria-Luisa Garcia) precisely right. There's no getting away from the fact that his films are slow especially by Hollywood standards, but Rohmer doesn't keep a shot on screen longer than he needs to. This seeming artlessness disguises how tightly plotted his best films actually are, in this case leading up to a twist in the tail. It's easy to overrate bravura displays of directorial flashiness over a self-effacing style like this, but that's always been the way. Rohmer is undeniably an acquired taste, but this film is as good an introduction as any other - chances are, if you like this you'll want to see the others. == We deeply regret that due to strict limitations imposed by law we are forced to restrict screening for Members of Moving Images only. More information about Moving Images and details regarding membership is available on our website www.moviesgoa.org. You can also email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 2464376 (8:00 am - 10:00 am). - * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/moviesgoa/
[Goanet]Where is the famous Goan pride?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: HERALD EDITORIAL 14 DEC 2004 Where is the famous Goan pride? Where is the famous Goan honour regarding its language Konkani? Konkani is our state language but are we Goans proud of it? Then why is it not being displayed on street signs, hoardings and above all used during various national festivals that this state hosts? Where is the pride and how come no one is fighting for it now? What has happened to all those stormy petrels who fought so assiduously in the 1990 s? Where are their thoughts now, have they gone astray? It has been a good ten years, since the state and its people fought on the Konkani issue. The then Congress government made Konkani the official language but a walk around any market in Mapusa, Panjim and Margao and one will see English displayed on most street signs. Today it is more fashionable to speak English and any other foreign language but not the state language. What has happened and why are we Goans ignoring our state language and so blas about it. Every state has its own news bulletin in their own state language and set of programmes in the state language catering to the local people. But in Goa, a different set of rules apply. We may have the Dordarshan Kendra but no news bulletin in Konkani. It is read out in Marathi from Mumbai. Why this step-motherly treatment to Konkani? What is the use of trying to set up a film culture in the state when the news bulletin, which is meant for the common man, cannot be read out in the state language? Yes, where is the Goan pride towards its own language? Where is the government and the people support for the language? The irony of the situation, we screen a Konkani movie at the recently concluded International Film Festival. No doubt it is a matter of pride but the irony the director is from Bangalore. Are their no Goan directors who can make the state proud? Even our mando festivals, which is the bedrock of Goan culture and language, is struggling for wont of funds from the government. It is upto the Goan people to fight and to show pride in their language. Every state in India be it Punjab, Bengal, Orrissa and even tiny Meghalaya is proud of their state language. We, Goans, too should show some pride and fight to see that Konkani is used predominantly at all international festivals and irrespective of the cause we should not let our thoughts stray from this issue.
[Goanet]PRESS STATEMENT- Re: Pendse Commission Report on EDC - For kind favour of publication
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## PRESS STATEMENT The Goa Su-Raj Party is not surprised that the former Industries Minister Mr. Luizinho Faleiro has been solely indicted by the Pendse Commission. This Commission was set up to deflect the probing eyes of finance-conscious citizens of this state on the conduct of the present Chief Minister, Mr. Manohar Parrikar, vis a vis the operation of the EDC and the grossly inappropriate and malafide OTS waivers granted to friends and family of the people in power including the family members of the chief minister himself. The only way this could be done was through the mutilated 'Terms of Reference of the Commission. Goa Su-Raj Party has sent legal notices to the Directors of the EDC to show cause how these OTS waivers were given. If at all any investigation was to be conducted, it should have been conducted in full transparency. Mr. Faleiro is not wrong in stating that he has been made a scape-goat. The Terms of Reference of this Commission is a hog-wash. Goa Su-Raj Party had made an application to the Commission that it would like to be given the opportunity to present its submission before it. The Terms of reference are manipulated in such a way that the entire heat is turned on the ex-industries minister. Why? If he is guilty, let him be indicted. So also others who may have been guilty, and who are guilty, should have been probed, specially the directors of EDC who are responsible for the functioning of this Corporation. The Pendse Commission's report is not cutting any ice with anyone. It is a manipulative tool that has been cleverly used to shift the heat of the blame where it would exact more damage. Goa Su-Raj Party is of the opinion that Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has done more damage to the Corporation than anyone else, before. We have proofs of how large amounts of funds have been siphoned-off as OTS and re-inducted into the BJP party funds to acquire large assets. The Chief Minister, having been emboldened in silencing the opposition through the fake White Paper on the EDC, has tried this again with IFFI with crores of rupees of tax-payer's money going into the pockets of friendly contractors like INOX where the same will be re-directed into the funds of the BJP. Much was expected of Justice Pendse vis a vis this commission of inquiry. This proves without doubt that we are anything else but a democracy, and that, there are eminent personages who can be bent like reeds. Can anyone be trusted anymore? Sd/- President, Goa Su-Raj Party. 2nd. Floor, Karekar Building, Abv. IOB, Angod-Mapusa.
[Goanet]I am not alone mesmerizes Chandigarh
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I AM NOT ALONE MESMERIZES CHANDIGARH 'Mein eekala nahin hanh' -- the Panjabi translation, of Goan poet Dr Brian Mendonca's poignant poem I am not alone, lent richness to Brian's poetry reading in Chandigarh on Sat, 27 Nov 2004. Organised by Professor Rana Nayar, of the Department of English, University of Panjab, the event was hosted by the Creative Circle, Chandigarh in collaboration with Kafila International -- a forum for writers. The reading was attended by faculty and students of the University of Panjab, writers of Punjab, and the public. Poet Gurdev Chauhan wrote, Your poetry thrilled me. Your poems are deep and intense. They have the quality of a settled thing amidst storm. Mr Bajwa, who chaired the session along with Mr Chauhan found it a richly rewarding listening experience. He urged Brian to keep this oral tradition alive by meeting people. Panjabi poet Govardhan Gabhri who translated I am not alone felt Brian should write more in Konkani. Student Gundeepika wrote, I liked the way you related the contemporary, day to day images to your beautiful poetry. Dr Neena Raina, with the World Health Organisation, S E Asia Regional Office, New Delhi felt that young people could be benefited if the poems also spoke of health issues concerning the youth today like AIDS, maternal deaths and gender discrimination.. Brian began the evening with 'Pinjore' written at the sylvan Mughal gardens at Pinjore where he had had his first poetry reading on the lawns with Rana and his family in 2000. Brian followed this up with his poem 'Malwa Express' written in Jammu (1998). He also read 'Takia' [Pillow] written at station, Central Uttar Pradesh (1999). 'UIMCF' [Unimpressive Indian Middle Class Family] written on the Mangala Express (1999) evoked titters from the crowd and led Mr Bajwa to step in with another rail poem inspired by the rocking of the rails. The students loved the love poems 'Sonya' (Betalbatim-Calangute, 2002) and 'Cut Loose' (Delhi, 1999). In 'Sonya' the listeners were awestruck at the beauty of the Portuguese language in the line which ends the poem. The line -- 'Aqui o mar acaba e a terra principia' [Here the sea ends and the earth begins] -- is the opening line of the Nobel prize-winning Portuguese novelist Jose Saramago's work The Life and Death of Ricardo Reis. 'Cut Loose' asks a kite whose string has been cut, whether it is going to meet its lover, and why it is blushing -- since its colour is red. The listeners also heartily enjoyed 'Hundra mhojea mama' which Brian played on his Yamaha classical guitar. They also sang along with him and Brian translated the words of the dulpod from the Konkani. Earlier he played the haunting Moorish melody 'Malaguena'. Your intensity, your authenticity, your soulful rendering -- all of it made evening richer, even deeper, somewhat like the patterns of phulkari we saw at the museum, wrote Rana Nayar. Phulkari is an intricate weave done by the women of the Panjab for their livelihood. It depicts motifs from their life and way of living. Inspired by his visit to Chandigarh, Brian has written three new poems. They are 'Free Fall' (2004), a poem about children, and 'Fields of Gold' (2004) describing the ripe fields of Haryana as seen from the Shatabdi. The title is inspired by the song by Sting, He is working on his third poem inspired by the Sikh gurus.
Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's Pacifism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not intend to besmirch Mahatma Gandhi's memory by entering into a discussion of revisionist history with you through his quotes. Let us agree to disagree. This must surely be a revisionist interpretation of revisionist history. Who would have thought that Mahatma Gandhi's own words would one day be characterized as revisionist history in the service of an ideology that was so utterly alien to him - especially, an ideology that is obsessed with blatantly and shamelessly revising the history of an illegal war over a meager span of two years. Regarding the rest of what this poster, Mario, has written in his last post on this thread, he seems to have once again found comfort in demonizing his detractor. The Thanksgiving Pledge that he oh-so solemnly affirmed in this forum seems to have not been sincere enough after all. Please witness his transparent attempts to unjustifiably and dishonorably smear me, his detractor, all simply because I posted some genuine quotes from the writings of Mahatma Gandhi, which contradicted his misguided notions regarding the Mahatma: I am glad that you (Santosh) think that the Japanese Imperialists were a benign and peace-loving power that India could have negotiated with. You (Santosh) are probably outraged that the US did not clap their hands in glee after Pearl Harbor, and exclaim about what wonderful people the Japanese were. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings I'm glad you (Santosh) think that the Chinese, who were invaded and brutalized by the Japanese, should have just layed back and enjoyed the rape of their country. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings By an extension of your reasoning, you (Santosh) must be quite pleased that the Jews in Germany and Poland went peacefully to the Nazi gas chambers without any resistence. I guess it never occurred to them to negotiate with the Nazis. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings I wonder what advice you (Santosh) had for the Nazis, the Viet Cong, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Saddam Hussein? With friends like you, their victims certainly did not need enemies. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings Most other Goanetters would have simply admitted that they were wrong or just stated their disagreement with Mahatma Gandhi's views, as evident from his quotes. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Goan Doctors
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert , I very much appreciate your email in response to a post made on the Goan Doctors Forum , you were right in saying in one of your post , that WE Goans have too much of * Sermaos * on the goanet. I believe We are all guilty of this , what we need to do ...is ask ourselves ...WHAT CAN I DO ? ..rather than telling people what they should do. Perhaps you should do something with those whom you have on board. If you think that GOA needs yours and my support , why should it be JUST ME that should give that support ? Why should it not be US ? Don't you think that it should be a Community effort ? I will play my part , I expect others to play their part too ..not just make posts on this forum , criticize and bash other Goans ! Do you agree with me ? Again , many of us Goans have accused our communities of doing nothing better than Socializing ..Singing ,Dancing and Drinking the same people who discourage such activities organize such functions themselves .again its the * Sermaos * as you said we are good at ! Its time we STOP bashing our very OWN Goans and supporting other Communities. In conclusion no more * sermaos * ask ourselves ...WHAT CAN I DO ? Share with us what YOU can do , not you wish others to do. Let us all be polite in your posts and keep at it. ( the original post was made on the - Goan Doctors - worldwide e-group ) rene --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL responds: Beyond professional associations and social activities what else did you have in mind to We sure need to do something about this!? Perhaps you should do something with those whom you have on board. Looking at the positive results, others may likely follow. Without some accomplishments, you are likely to loose the one's you have; never to get them back. Just my thoughts. Regards. Rene Barreto: What a shame ! We need do something POSITIVE about it ! We cannot give up. (name withheld at the request of the author) Hi Rene, No, I have not got any responses from any Goa doctors in the U.S... I think many goans dont make the time to involve themselves in professional associations or social activitieswhich is sad!..Even Dr.Amit Dias who had tried to create a database of goan docs around the world did not get a positive response!...We sure need to do something about this!!! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
RE: [Goanet]First Goan in Antarctica
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## FIRST GOAN IN ANTARCTICA. To the best of my knowledge and belief, the first GOAN to visit the Antartica is Luis D'Cruz of the Indian Institute of Geomagnetism, Colaba, Bombay. He is an alumni of St. Xavier's Technical Institute, Mahim Bombay. He was in the team that maintained the scientific instruments used by the Indian scientists in the Antartica expidition during the early 1980s. You may call him up at the IIG in Bombay and give him my reference. Norman Lobo Antelope, CA From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]First Goan in Antarctica Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:20:38 -0500 ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Fred Noronha's post was a great sermaum as reflected by the number of mea culpa from the membership. If Brother Fred had included a few words from the bible, I would have to call him Padre Fred. And if there were a few Latin words, unquestionably he would have been at least Monsignor if not Bisop Fred. Even one member who goes by JC (and is 'close to' Jesus Christ) was very cooperative with advancing the dialogue about Goans and Antarctic. He took time from his busy work schedule and forwarded me the entire cyberspace listing of Senhor Goes. This led me to all the published papers by this great Goan researcher and his work in this wonderland - even if it is undersea. Well I got enough material to write a thesis on this Goan in Antarctic. Thanks JC! However the purpose of writing this post is to point out that even with all our combined contributions from many knowledgeable members, we cannot expect to get it always right the first time around and sometimes even second or third time around. That does not mean we should not try and Fred can take Gabe's advice. Even the 'walking, talking and writing' encyclopedia of Goans overlooked an important group of first Goans to reach Antarctic. And this is the purpose of this post. This came to my mind after meditating over the contemplative sermaum from Bro. Fred. About ten years ago, I visited /participated in a cancer conference in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. One of the after-dinner walks took me to the port of Tasmania. There I saw a docked ship called Antarctic. I was very curious as it was well equipped with all research gear and also included a helipad. I drew close to the research vessel and boarded it. I found out this was a French research vessel that has been making trips to the Antarctic. Arriving (informally) on board, I was greeted and taken around by a group of four Goan tarvottis working as crew on this ship. So while all the xperto Goenkars on the internet were dialoguing on the poilo, dusro ani tisro Goenkar to reach the Antarctic, amcho ganv-bhavs - the silent tarvottis (silent, except among themselves) were having a jolly good laugh. Over the centuries these brave Goan men made planned and unplanned trips to the Antarctic (and everywhere else). These Goan tarvottis told me, the planned trips to the Antarctic occur only in the summer of the Southern Hemisphere (which is winter in the Northern Hemisphere). The start and the end of the sailing season are always treacherous with uncertain weather conditions, temperatures, winds and icebergs. Goan tarvottis have been Goa's life blood for many centuries. Unfortunately as a group they are the most unrecognized and under-appreciated Goans. Except for their close family no one recognizes them once they retire. The life of the shippie takes a toll on them and many of them die prematurely. So this Christmas season if you meet a Goan tarvotti give him hug for his contribution to Goa. And if you know the family of Goan tarvottis remember them in your prayers. I will do so as I remember my brother-in-laws the late Capt. R. Pereira (age 45, Sangolda) and late Master Capt. A. Mendonca (age 54, Aldona) who passed away this year. Regards, GL. Eddie Fernandes: Apologies if I gave the impression that Helga would be the first Goan to reach the Antarctica. The message I received indicated that she would probably be the fist Goan woman to do so. I chose not to include this in my report. With hindsight, this was an error. Cheers Gabe: RESPONSE: Now just to rake up the ambers; I have said before if the cap fits wear it. In this case I believe it was the hon. Dotore who mentioned that
[Goanet]SITEWATCH -- Amche Historr ... the Goan oral history project
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## URL: http://www.goanoralhistory.com/ Rating: Interesting and unusual *AMCHE HISTORR* The Goan Oral History Project /Bringing life to history/ Home index.htm About us # Who we are who.htm What we do what.htm Funding and partners funding.htm The Project # What is Oral History? history.htm Typical questions questions.htm News # Latest news news.htm Links links.htm Contact us contact.htm Welcome to Amche Historr You are here: *Home * *Amche Historr *means our history in Konkani, the language spoken by people from Goa. This is the website for The Goan Oral History Project which aims to enrich the historical record with stories from Goans living in the Croyden area. Can you help? contact.htm Sign up to be an interviewer or to offer your own stories to the project. Newsletter contact.htm Amche Historr's first newsletter was published at the beginning of October 2004. Sign up to receive a copy. Goan Awareness Day news.htm Read about our Goan Awareness Day, 25th October 2003. Home index.htm What is oral history? Oral history means recording people's memories. It lets ordinary people make their mark in the history books by preserving their stories and experiences. Oral history archives are stored in libraries, archives and on the Internet as a resource for future historians. We are interested in things like: childhood memories, experiences of life in different countries, family stories, food and drink, dancing, music, sport and politics, the world of work -- anything that is part of daily life. Who are we? We are a group of volunteers, funded by Croydon Council and the National Lottery, who are recording the history of Goan people living in the Croydon area. Our objective is to capture and preserve their experiences. The resulting oral history archive will be a permanent record for our community. The project co-ordinator is Shirley Gonsalves. Funding Amche Historr is funded by the National Lottery Awards for All scheme and by Croydon Council Heritage Awards. This means that the project can operate on a strictly not-for-profit basis. The members of the committee and interviewers are all volunteers. The funding pays for training, equipment, events and the work of preparing raw interviews for the archives. Events 16th October 2004. Get-together for contributors and people involved with the project. 25th October 2003. Goan Awareness Day in Croydon.
[Goanet]MUSIC: An off-topic post to all interested in music out there...
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## From Project Gutenberg: eMusic In our efforts to further the digitization of sheet music, Project Gutenberg also recommends the Mutopia Project. The following was contributed by the project team leader, Chris Sawer: The Mutopia project consists of a growing online collection of sheet music, all of which may be freely downloaded, printed, copied, distributed, modified, performed and recorded. It has just celebrated its fifth year online, and now has nearly 500 works, ranging from simple pieces for solo instruments, to large orchestral pieces and even an entire opera. Composers from Bach to Vivaldi are featured, along with some early jazz, and some modern pieces which have been released under a free license by their composers. Visit our website to see what we've got - and maybe contribute some music yourself! Website: http://www.MutopiaProject.org And please see the other information at http://www.gutenberg.org/music/ From http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ What is the Mutopia Project? Welcome to the Mutopia Project ... a place where music is free for everyone! Download it, print it out, and share it. Mutopia is similar in spirit to Project Gutenberg, but consists of free sheet music. Broadly speaking, copyright on a creative work expires 70 years after the creator's death. This means that the works of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and many other composers are in the public domain - in principle, they may be copied and performed without restriction. However, you may not normally copy or perform a sheet music edition which you can buy, because an editor also has a copyright on the edition, and an arranger may have, too. The copyright on the edition only expires when all these people have been dead for 70 years. Additional restrictions in the USA mean that only works published there prior to 1923 are in the public domain. Only sufficiently old editions fulfil these criteria, and are therefore in the public domain. But for a lot of classical music, editions do exist which are old enough, especially in libraries and private collections. The quality of the editorial work is generally as high as in recent editions, if not higher. Several composers were also notable as editors. (For example, Brahms's editions of Mozart works are now in the public domain) The idea behind the Mutopia Project is that volunteers typeset these editions on a computer, using the GNU Lilypond typesetting software, and make them freely available. The Mutopia Project also contains a growing number of modern editions, arrangements and new music. The respective editors, arrangers and composers have chosen to make these works freely available. All may be freely downloaded, printed, copied, distributed, modified, performed or recorded. How is the music made available? All music is available as Postscript (.ps) and PDF (.pdf) files, for both A4 and Letter paper sizes, as well as Lilypond's own file format (.ly). The first two are easy to print out (see the help page for more information on how to download and print out the scores), and the third allows you to reformat scores for other page sizes, and to see how the score was put together in the first place - perhaps you'd like to contribute to Mutopia yourself! Audio previews of the music are available as MIDI (.mid) files; these are computer generated but give a rough idea of what the music sounds like. Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com Difficulties to send email across? Write to fredericknoronha at vsnl.net Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
[Goanet]Two Goans die in Alaska sea disaster
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## HERALD NEWS BUREAU PANJIM, DEC 14 Two Goans are among the five Indian crew members feared dead after a Malaysian ship ran aground off the coast of Alaska last week. The five, along with a Filipino, were on board a US Coast Guard rescue helicopter that crashed into the sea. All efforts to search them failed by Saturday, according to reports.The Goan crew members were identified as Blaise M Mascarenhas (33) and Zaferino M Vaz (46), both from Salcete, while the other Indian crew members were identified as Dildar Singh (44) of Gurdaspur-Punjab, Durg V Singh (54) of Thane-Maharashtra and Narendra S Yadav (52) of Gurgaon-Haryana.The five Indian crew members along with Carlos Flores Santiago (45) from the Philippines plunged into the sea when a Coast Guard helicopter crashed at about 6.15 pm on Wednesday while evacuating them from the freighter. Four others, including three Coast Guard personnel, were rescued from the water by a second helicopter that evening. According to reports, Selendang Ayu, the 738-foot vessel that was carrying 5,00,000 gallons of fuel and bulk soyabean cargo, ran aground last Wednesday and broke into two in the Bering Sea. The vessel lost power in its main engine on Tuesday. The Selendang Ayu ran aground more than 40-hours after the ships main engine broke down causing it to drift in high winds and heavy seas. Tugs and Coast Guard cutters were unable to halt its drift onto a shoal, where it broke apart the next day. The Coast Guard has rescued 20 of the Selendang Ayus 26 crewmen. The 738-foot Selendang Ayu, owned by the Singapore-based IMC Group, was cleaved neatly in two, both pieces grounded upright and parallel about 200 feet from the shore near Skan Bay on the western side of the island. Farther upshore lay the wreckage of the Coast Guard helicopter, its red fuselage blackened and barely recognizable. On Monday, Admiral Thomas H. Collins, Commandant of US Coast Guard, called Indian Ambassador Ronen Sen in Washington to convey his condolences over the loss of five Indian lives in the mishap. Although no bodies have been recovered, chances of survival in the frigid waters were almost nil, Admiral Collins informed and conveyed his condolences to the next of kin. An Indian embassy spokesman said that relatives of the deceased have been informed. According to reports, about 20 other crew members, including eight Indians, were rescued by Coast Guard helicopters after the shipwreck. Rough seas hampered both the rescue operation and efforts to deal with a major oil spill. We have suspended the search The very first priority is not to endanger anyones life, US Coast Guard spokeswoman Cindy Marshall was quoted in the report.
[Goanet]'Goa' ... and the issue of underworld links (PTI)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://www.teamindia.net/news/index.php?action=fullnewsid=43988 Manikchand owner denies underworld links : Mumbai, Dec 13 : Rasiklal Dhariwal, chairman of the famous Gutkha brand 'Manikchand', summoned by Mumbai police over his alleged underworld links, today said he was unable to return to India in the current accounting year and expressed willingness for questioning through video conferencing. In a statement issued here from abroad, Dhariwal said he has already stayed in the country for six months and would be unable to return in order to maintain his NRI status. He said this has been conveyed to the police authorities. In the present year, I have already stayed in India for almost six months and therefore I am unable to visit India this accounting year, otherwise I may lose my NRI status, he said in the statement. The statement said that his son has also told the police about this and added that he was willing to undergo police questioning telephonically or via video conferencing. He denied that he is involved in any unscruplous activities and also denied that he was unavailable for the investigation. He called the media reports against him as unfortunate. Meanwhile, Police officials refused to comment on his statement. Dhariwal, alongwith J M Joshi, owner of Gutkha brand Goa was issued summons by police on December 3 for questioning in a matter related to their alleged links with underworld ganster Dawood Ibrahim. Their relatives, however, told the court that they were abroad. PTI
RE: [Goanet]All Colin Powell's fault!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Tim, I know that for some Canadians like yourself, with a non-existent security force and safe under the protection of the US, all this Iraq stuff is a joke, as displayed by this incredibly mean-spirited, callous and facetious post by you. I suppose you think you are being clever, or funny. This is not only just a game for you but you also seem to have contempt for the Iraqis and Afghans who were brutalized by Muslim tyrants and have never enjoyed the freedom and democracy that you take for granted. That young Marine whom you ridicule is risking his life for other people, while you sit back and oppose him and others like him. Since you seem to have missed it, on another posting titled, Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!, I had the following comment: 9. I hate to disappoint you, Ronald, but I volunteered to go to Iraq, and they turned me down on the grounds that I'm an old fart with heart disease and on the verge of surviving cancer. So, I have no choice but to reiterate the facts as I know them until everyone at least gets their facts straight. Then whatever opinions you arrive at are fine with me. After all, we have the luxury to have differing opinions, Ronald. In Saddam's Iraq and in the Taliban's Afghanistan, political opponents did not have that luxury. I know an Iraqi refugee in Detroit whose wife and daughter were raped in front of him by Saddam's goons, because someone told them that he had made a joke about Saddam. After hearing stories like that, dealing with opposition to the liberation of these countries has become my mission. I still can't figure out why some people, using every sophistry they can muster, oppose the effort to bring them this opportunity. --- Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## A question I have for Mario Goveia. You obviously feel very strongly about the USA defending liberty and democracy around the world. You were touch by the the US Marine's desire to get back to Iraq. The USA is currently experiencing strong opposition in Iraq . . . . so why don't you enlist with the US Army and offer to to to Iraq? Why expect others to do it for you? I am sure the US government will welcome you with open arms. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA
Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's Selective Pacifism
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please calm down and accept my apologies for personalizing my comments on the Gandhi quotes, which was the wrong thing to do. Mr. Goveia, Thanks for the apology. As for calming me down, it is unfortunate that an internet forum does not allow me to convey my mood or demeanor better to the readers. Because, if it did, you would have realized that I am an unsually calm man. Let me just say that your smears and accusations are among the mildest that I have personally experienced in cyberspace. With respect to the other points that you have made, this is what I have to say: 1. It is my humble opinion that your justification for the illegal Iraq war is indeed a spurious post-hoc rationalization. I simply do not have any interest in responding to it. Please don't mistake my refusal to respond for any lack of ability to do so on my part. 2. The meaning I attribute to the verb to demonize and all its derivatives is the same as that given in any English dictionary, which is to represent as evil or diabolical, or more concretely, to call somebody a supporter of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, etc. 3. I take Mahatma Gandhi at his word. I think he always spoke his mind, and as directly and plainly as he could, irrespective of whether it would be perceived as politically correct or not. I would always take his words to be literally true, unless there is some reason to think that he was being deliberately sarcastic or poetic. 4. Whether I agree with Gandhi's pacifism in its entirety or not has no bearing on whether someone can call me fit to be an adviser of Hitler and Stalin. Nobody can call me (or for that matter, any avowed pacifist) the latter, unless I have stated that in my own words or proved it by my actions. 5. When a Goanetter or anybody else sends me an abusive private email, I usually do not respond to it. Sometimes I send them a reply simply stating that I am returning their garbage. This should trigger a recall of some recent pre-Thanksgiving memories in you. I doubt you have grown a thicker skin than mine after Thanksgiving. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]G.O.A X'Mas Tree Party report
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Celebrating 25 years of existence, Goan Overseas Association (Goa Maroons) celebrated their annual Christmas Tree Party 'Lets Be Friends' at the Pearl Marzouk Restaurant, on Friday the 10th of December 2004, from noon till dusk. With the seasonal spirit in mind, the packed gathering of over 300 guests celebrated this year's theme that Christmas is the time for loving, and sharing. MC, Lloyd D;Souza with his original wit and humor made sure everyone had a great time and as usual Kuwait's leading music providers, Stepping Stones struck a cord with everyone with some catchy carols, sublime oldies, and Goan folk music. The event included a variety of programs including games for children of all ages, games for adults, the 'Lets Be Friends' novelty special and a quiz for teenagers. The highlight of the program was of course the grand entry of Santa Claus, who immediately set about distributing goodies and toys to all the children present. The adults too had their share of the bounty, as numerous prizes, gift vouchers and hampers were distributed during the program to lucky winners including spot prizes sponsored by JW Marriott Group, Sports Corner Company, Sheraton Group, Orient Sports Company, among others. During the course of the program, Mr. Raymond D'Sa, President of G.O.A in his address welcomed the guests and spoke briefly on the Association's achievements in the last 25 years and hoped the spirit of friendship shared by the G.O.A family during the program would continue over the years. He also thanked the sponsors and the managing committee for their support. Party photographs can be viewed on www.goa-maroons-kwt.org including the latest news on G.O.A activities, soccer results and social events. Julio Cardoso Kuwait
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Mervyn, God help you Canadians if you consider the Globe Mail a right wing publication. No wonder you have developed such a contempt for freedom and democracy for the Afghans and the Iraqis, while enjoying it for yourselves, under the protection of the US, with a security force smaller than the NYPD. Some 10 million people voted in Afghanistan, risking their lives to do so, under the supervision of the UN, not the US. There were over a dozen candidates for President. And what does this historic and unprecedented election in a country that has never experienced an election in its history, mean to you? That the President was hand-picked by the US and is like the Mayor of a city. Can anyone have any more contempt for freedom and democracy, and for the brave Afghan citizens, as you have just displayed? Regarding your comment about the reasons for the Iraq invasion, I would laugh too if all I knew about the facts of the case is what I see in the supposedly right-wing Globe Mail, or the even worse Toronto Star. Why don't you go to the UN web site and read what the resolutions said, especially UN 1441, and then see if you are still laughing. And I still haven't heard an explanation about what happened to the Iraqi WMDs that were never accounted for. Ooops! I forgot! The Globe Mail told you that they never had any! Sorry. Can't expect an answer from you on that question. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your detailed response, which made me feel like I was reading either the Guardian, the NY Times or the Globe and Mail, all left-wing media with an anti-Iraq-liberation slant on the news. Did you know that none of these papers reported the unprecedented, historic and successful elections in Afghanistan on their front pages? Ask yourself why. Mario, As far as Canadian publications are concerned, The Globe and Mail is a right wing publication. The Toronto Star is left of centre and The National Post is extreme right wing. I would not put labels on papers that I do not read.
Re: [Goanet]What's that now?
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Anthony Barretto wrote: Hi Tim If the message you posted below is an Advt fine, but if it is just a message then you should imagine what will happen if the 7000 odd goanet members start congratulating the new parents and grandparents on this forum. I mean certain things are personal. Anyway people getting married (or even those intimately in love) are most likely to get kids. Why make the natural process of procreation as a sort of personal achievement to be trumpeted on a public forum. Tony Martin Brother Tony, This is your personal view. I'd believe on Goanet we do have space for personal wishes -- specially those related to important events in the lives of Goanetters. And I'm not saying this only because Marlon is a long-standing member of Goanet, who played an active role (check the postings of early digests to Usenet newsgroups on http://groups.google.com), or because we were all wondering where he had disappeared all this time ;-) You have a point when you say there would be chaos if everyone posted their wishes to Marlon via Goanet. One would think many would have just sent him personal messages. You'd be suprised by all the behind-the-scenes communication that gets sparked off by postings on Goanet and the other Goa-related mailing lists. At this point of time, a few friends are busy posting abuse to each other (offlist, mercifully) which keeps me entertained sometimes whenever the deadline-stress affects my spirits. BTW, what's happening to a nice, friendly, uncomplicated chap like you? Is email-rage hitting the peaceful shores of Canacona? Are you getting affected by Goanetitis like the rest of us guys who are stuck for too long behind the keyboards? Are we all simply growing just too old ;-) Before you blow a fuse, here's a caution: don't take all this seriously. It's just in jest. Chill out. Forgive the Dalgado Konkani Academy and attending their function at Margao on Friday evening. Drop in for our contributory lunch and Goanetters' annual meet on Dec 21, at 12 noon at Clube Vasco da Gama in Panjim. Let's get a chance to see your smiling face there, and you can meet up with everyone else. FN PS: Don't forget... have fun.
[Goanet]Re: Highway from Pernem to Pollem
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Check out this article from The Economic Times which may have a bearing on the Goa government's approach to the state's problems Lessons from Bangalore EDITORIAL TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2004 12:11:46 AM] The debate on Bangalore's infrastructure has rapidly degenerated into a blame game between members of the present government and supporters of the previous SM Krishna regime. Underlying the facts and figures that are being bandied about is a rather depressing reality that does no credit to either side. The present government is clearly finding the task of developing Bangalore's infrastructure a heavy burden. And if things are as bad as some claim they are today, there was clearly something wrong with the infrastructure policy of the earlier regime as well. Neither side, nor indeed most state governments, are willing to learn the larger lessons of Bangalore's infrastructure crisis. This crisis can be traced to the project-centric approach of consecutive Karnataka governments, irrespective of party or factional affiliation. This approach identifies specific problems with grand projects. The pressure on air travel leads to a demand for a huge glamourous airport. The pressure on the city's roads leads to passionate pleas for investment in a metro rail. And so on. Since these projects are chosen for their glamour rather than their economic viability, they need state support to get off the ground. The pressure on the state's finances is so intense that the support is not enough to keep down the prices charged for this infrastructure. These higher costs directly or indirectly raise the costs of working in cities like Bangalore, leading to industry seeking other pastures and leaving politicians with no option but to point fingers at each other. A more effective response to the crisis in Bangalore and other cities like it would be to also consider less glamourous measures to reduce the pressure on the infrastructure. More effective urban planning would dramatically reduce the distance between the residence and the workplace, thereby reducing the pressure on roads. A more cost-effective approach to infrastructure projects like airports will release scarce state resources for investment in other essential infrastructure like water supply. And a more cost-effective infrastructure would make the city more competitive globally. But first state governments must recognise that glamourous projects are not always the best means of achieving an effective infrastructure. Print this article Mail this article Comment on this article RATE THIS ARTICLE
[Goanet]Google Is Adding Major Libraries to Its Database
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Google Is Adding Major Libraries to Its Database By JOHN MARKOFF and EDWARD WYATT/The New York Times Published: December 14, 2004 Google, the operator of the world's most popular Internet search service, plans to announce an agreement today with some of the nation's leading research libraries and Oxford University to begin converting their holdings into digital files that would be freely searchable over the Web. It may be only a step on a long road toward the long-predicted global virtual library. But the collaboration of Google and research institutions that also include Harvard, the University of Michigan, Stanford and the New York Public Library is a major stride in an ambitious Internet effort by various parties. The goal is to expand the Web beyond its current valuable, if eclectic, body of material and create a digital card catalog and searchable library for the world's books, scholarly papers and special collections. Google - newly wealthy from its stock offering last summer - has agreed to underwrite the projects being announced today while also adding its own technical abilities to the task of scanning and digitizing tens of thousands of pages a day at each library. Although Google executives declined to comment on its technology or the cost of the undertaking, others involved estimate the figure at $10 for each of the more than 15 million books and other documents covered in the agreements. Librarians involved predict the project could take at least a decade. Because the Google agreements are not exclusive, the pacts are almost certain to touch off a race with other major Internet search providers like Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo. Like Google, they might seek the right to offer online access to library materials in return for selling advertising, while libraries would receive corporate help in digitizing their collections for their own institutional uses. Within two decades, most of the world's knowledge will be digitized and available, one hopes for free reading on the Internet, just as there is free reading in libraries today, said Michael A. Keller, Stanford University's head librarian. The Google effort and others like it that are already under way, including projects by the Library of Congress to put selections of its best holdings online, are part of a trend to potentially democratize access to information that has long been available to only small, select groups of students and scholars. Last night the Library of Congress and a group of international libraries from the United States, Canada, Egypt, China and the Netherlands announced a plan to create a publicly available digital archive of one million books on the Internet. The group said it planned to have 70,000 volumes online by next April. Having the great libraries at your fingertips allows us to build on and create great works based on the work of others, said Brewster Kahle, founder and president of the Internet Archive, a San Francisco-based digital library that is also trying to digitize existing print information. The agreements to be announced today will allow Google to publish the full text of only those library books old enough to no longer be under copyright. For copyrighted works, Google would scan in the entire text, but make only short excerpts available online. Each agreement with a library is slightly different. Google plans to digitize nearly all the eight million books in Stanford's collection and the seven million at Michigan. The Harvard project will initially be limited to only about 40,000 volumes. The scanning at Bodleian Library at Oxford will be limited to an unspecified number of books published before 1900, while the New York Public Library project will involve fragile material not under copyright that library officials said would be of interest primarily to scholars. The trend toward online libraries and virtual card catalogs is one that already has book publishers scrambling to respond. At least a dozen major publishing companies, including some of the country's biggest producers of nonfiction books - the primary target for the online text-search efforts - have already entered ventures with Google and Amazon that allow users to search the text of copyrighted books online and read excerpts. Publishers including HarperCollins, the Penguin Group, Houghton Mifflin and Scholastic have signed up for both the Google and Amazon programs. The largest American trade publisher, Random House, participates in Amazon's program but is still negotiating with Google, which calls its program Google Print. The Amazon and Google
Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's Selective Pacifism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Santosh, Please calm down and accept my apologies for personalizing my comments on the Gandhi quotes, which was the wrong thing to do. In my Thanksgiving Greeting I did admit that my patience with emotional outbursts was still a work in progress. But am I demonizing you when I point out the fact that you avoid any specific responses to my detailed postings on Iraq, dismissing them imperiously in their entirety as spurious? I just don't get it. However, aside from the personalization that I have apologized for and should have avoided, how about the points I made, which were a literal interpretation of what the Gandhi quotes you posted would have meant to the Chinese and the Jews when dealing with the Japanese Imperialists and the German Nazis, and to India when dealing with the Japanese? On the one hand you describe my interpretations of Gandhi as misguided (I think you are demonizing me here!) and seem to agree with a literal interpretation of Gandhi's quotes. You describe him approvingly as a pacifist, even a suicidal pacifist, no matter what. Then you turn around and consider my interpretation of what this would have meant to what was actually happening during WW-II as a smear. Am I missing something? When some Goanetters email me personally and say they are sick and tired of me because I am a Pro-American, pro-George Bush, anti-Saddam, anti-Islamo-fascist nutcase, I don't take that as a smear. I take it as a compliment. Maybe my skin is much thicker than yours. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not intend to besmirch Mahatma Gandhi's memory by entering into a discussion of revisionist history with you through his quotes. Let us agree to disagree. This must surely be a revisionist interpretation of revisionist history. Who would have thought that Mahatma Gandhi's own words would one day be characterized as revisionist history in the service of an ideology that was so utterly alien to him - especially, an ideology that is obsessed with blatantly and shamelessly revising the history of an illegal war over a meager span of two years. Regarding the rest of what this poster, Mario, has written in his last post on this thread, he seems to have once again found comfort in demonizing his detractor. The Thanksgiving Pledge that he oh-so solemnly affirmed in this forum seems to have not been sincere enough after all. Please witness his transparent attempts to unjustifiably and dishonorably smear me, his detractor, all simply because I posted some genuine quotes from the writings of Mahatma Gandhi, which contradicted his misguided notions regarding the Mahatma: I am glad that you (Santosh) think that the Japanese Imperialists were a benign and peace-loving power that India could have negotiated with. You (Santosh) are probably outraged that the US did not clap their hands in glee after Pearl Harbor, and exclaim about what wonderful people the Japanese were. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings I'm glad you (Santosh) think that the Chinese, who were invaded and brutalized by the Japanese, should have just layed back and enjoyed the rape of their country. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings By an extension of your reasoning, you (Santosh) must be quite pleased that the Jews in Germany and Poland went peacefully to the Nazi gas chambers without any resistence. I guess it never occurred to them to negotiate with the Nazis. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings I wonder what advice you (Santosh) had for the Nazis, the Viet Cong, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Saddam Hussein? With friends like you, their victims certainly did not need enemies. - Quote from Mario Goveia's writings Most other Goanetters would have simply admitted that they were wrong or just stated their disagreement with Mahatma Gandhi's views, as evident from his quotes. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Goa Govt. Planning Board Sub-Com on Education, Employment and HRD
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## - Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - Goa Govt. Planning Board Sub-Committee on Administrative Reforms - Official Gazette - Government of Goa Notification No. DPSE/III/PB-M/80-XII/2003/5229 Read: 1) Notification No. DPSE/III/PB-M/80-XII/2002 Dated October 22, 2002 2) Corrigendum No. DPSE/III/PB-M/80-XII/2002 Dated November 7, 2003 3) Addendum No. DPSE/III/PB-M/80-XII/2002 Dated November 26, 2003 On recommendation of the Planning Board, Government of Goa is pleased to appoint the following sub-committees of the Planning Board with immediate effect. (a) Sub-Committee on Education, Employment and Human Resource Development 1. Shri Laximikant Parsekar, M.L.A. Dy. Chairman, Planning Board, Mandrem, Pernem, Goa 2. Shri Ramnath Kare, Chairman, Kare Group of Companies, Kare House, Next to Metropole Cinema, P O Box 739, Margao, Goa 3. Vice-Chancellor, Goa University 4. Prof. Anil Padoshi, Professor of Economics, Laximan Nivas, Near Hotel Mahalaxmi, Mapusa, Bardez, Goa 5. Prof. Datta B. Naik, 'Girija' Pundalik Nagar, Alto Provorim, Bardez, Goa 6. Shri Ramesh Pankar, C/o Shanu Pankar, Indira Niwas, 222 Altino, Mapusa, Bardez, Goa 7. Prof Haji Sheik, Irshad Sheik House, P-20, Davorlim Housing Board, Near Maruti Temple, Margao, Goa 8. Shri M.S. Rane, Member Secretary Dy. Director, Directorate of Planning, Statistics Evaluation, Panaji, Goa The following shall be the terms of reference of the above three Sub-Committees: The Sub-Committee on Education, Employment and Human Resouce Development and the Sub-Committee on Environment will look into the macro level issues related to plan formulation and monitor the achievement of the underlying objective(s) of the schemes and analyze their effectiveness, usefulness and benefits to the society. The Sub-Committee on Adminstrative Reforms will review the entire gamut of rules, procedures etc. followed in Government Departments and suggest ways and means to make them simpler and people friendly. The Sub-Committees will float new ideas and concepts to enhance the efficiency of the existing schemes/ programmes and also suggest new programmes, which may be taken up. The Sub-Committees may co-opt any other member of the Planing Board for their functioning, if considered necessary. The Sub-Committees will regulate their own procedures and the Member Secretary of the respective sub-committee shall make arrangements to hold the meeting and shall provide secretarial services and secondary data as may be required and shall co-ordinate with the concerned Departments as per the requirements of the committees. The Sub-Committees may call for the relevant information from any Government Department, undertake visits to departments/development projects, hold discussions and seek clarifications from the Secretaries/Heads of Departments in regard to the matters concerning the work entrusted to the Sub-Committees. The Sub-Committees shall submit their recommendations to the Chairman, Planning Board with 6 months of starting their deliberations. The observations and suggestions of the Sub-Committees will be discussed in the Planning Board meetings. The outstation non-official members will be permitted to draw airfare (both ways) for attending the Sub-Committee meetings. While in Goa, the outstation members (whose normal place of residence is outside Goa) will be treated as State Guests. Each non-offic ial member will be paid a sitting fee of Rs. 200/- per day for attending the Sub-Committee meeting. The member Secretary of the concerned Sub-Committee will be responsible for timely defray of all expenses inculding T.A. etc. of the members of the Sub-Committees. All expenses in relation to holding meetings/deliberations of the Sub-Committees and operations incidental thereto will be met by the Directorate of Planning, Statistics and Evaluation. By order and in the name of the Governor of Goa. S.K. Tewari, Director Member Secretary (Planning Board). Panaji, 22nd September 2004 Source: Official Gazette Series II No. 28 dated 7/10/04 page 663
Re: [Goanet]What's that now?
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Is your name Anthony Barretto or Tony Martin? Anyway, far be it for me to defend Tim de Mello, my strident political adversary from the safe and protected environs of Canada, but my unsolicited advice to you would be to calm down man, with all due respect, of course!! I understand that Marlon is a long standing and popular member of Goanet and I see nothing wrong in announcing that he has become a father on an open forum like this one is. I have seen other announcements of people getting ill, people dying, people insulting others, especially me, and all kinds of stuff that moves Goanet readers. In my personal opinion, all of this is part of the free speech that we all enjoy and take for granted, something that should be celebrated not restricted, because who gets to decide what is appropriate and what is not? By the way, I also have no problem with you expressing what is obviously something that concerns and moves you. Duly noted, my friend. I seriously doubt that such announcements are going to bury Goanet or Marlon's email system with 7,000 postings of congratulations. Because of the personal nature of this event, I, for example, decided to congratulate the new parents off this site, which may be something that Goanet readers should consider in such cases. --- Anthony Barretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim If the message you posted below is an Advt fine, but if it is just a message then you should imagine what will happen if the 7000 odd goanet members start congratulating the new parents and grandparents on this forum
[Goanet]New York Times ( Was RE: The chickens coming home to roost)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Radhakrishnan, I'm not sure where you live nor how often you read the New York Times. As recently as about 6 months ago the ombudsman of the New York Times admitted that the newspaper had a liberal bias. This was probably big news to devoted readers of the NY Times, but it offered no surprises to most astute observers. (Check: http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2004/0726.asp) To be sure, every newspaper's editorial page has a bias. The Wall Street Journal, for instance, is unabashedly conservative, while the NYT is pathetically liberal (or moderate, as they might call it). What distinguishes the NY Times is that its bias not only affects the editorials and commentary but it routinely creeps into its news reporting and headlines. Other major newspapers, including the Washington Post and USA Today, are reliably liberal but they seldom allow their editorial slant to influence their presentation of news. Your might want to visit timeswatch.org to get an idea of how subtly, and sometimes not so subtly, the NYT pushes its view on its readers. One of my favourite daily exposes of the NYT was http://smartertimes.com. That site is mostly defunct since its editor started a daily newspaper called the New York Sun. They might have archived material available for your reading pleasure. Good luck with your journalism studies. Peter D'Souza P.S. Reading the New York Times everyday for several years played no small part in my becoming a conservative. ~From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:05:45 +0530 ~Subject: [Goanet]RE: RE: The chickens coming home to roost ~Hi, Mario! ~The New York Times a left-wing publication? That's news to me! ~And, as a ~student of journalism, of immense importance to me. ~Thanx for that vital information! ~Regards, RKN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwG+7XtSoha+i4wwRAnYJAJ4gWwqV7QsolherBerYVz+/qxzHUwCfbnbl Puj5qKL/WRAV5YGQSvigXJk= =qkEX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Goanet]Chickens coming home to roost!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mervyn, Thanks for the warning! Thanks for being concerned about us from the safety of Canada. I wish you were just as concerned about the fate of almost 25 million Iraqis, who have never experienced the freedom and democracy that you seem to take for granted. But don't you think the Goans in US are more capable of arriving at a rational decision of whether to stay or leave, than you mis-informed anti-Americans, who seem to so strongly oppose the effort to bring freedom and democracy to that embattled region? Just to further your education in these matters, the reason the US gave up the draft is that a) they have sufficient volunteers to maintain the force levels they need, b) they have surplus forces currently protecting the Germans from drinking too much beer, and the S. Koreans from eating too much kimchi, which can be used if necessary, c) they found that it not efficient to draft and train people for short stints, and continue this endless cycle, when they have sufficient volunteers. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RESPONSE: Well, I hope you are correct and I also hope that the U.S.A., having gone into Iraq will not pull out when the going gets tough, like they did in Vietnam. What would your response be, if and when the U.S.A. and the American people decide enough is enough? Gabe, George Bush is not going to pull out of Iraq. I keep telling people on the other net groups I belong to, to make preparations to send their teenage children out of the US. The draft is coming. http://www.sss.gov/Default.htm Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Who is DKA fooling?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Let me confess at the outset that some organisation to protect and promote Roman Konkani was the need of the hour. Particularly in the absence of the Rev. Fr Freddy and Felicio Cardozo. So it felt good that DKA was taking up that task. But, please allow me to be honest, DKA looks like it is controlled by some selfish people out to promote themselves in the name of Roman Konkani. Point No 1. I am not sure if this is the best place to post my query directed to some individuals but I think there is no harm in trying. This is Net age. Agree Fred? Point No 2 Why announce a plain musical show as a MEGA event to create awareness among the people about Goan culture and Goan identity. In all honesty it should have gone as a fund-raising musical show for the new-born DKA. That too without paying a single rupee to the singers (if they cared). And felicitation by DKA? That's an incredible feat for a new-born. Point No 3 Fred, in the first place may be indirectly, I learnt of the DKA MEGA event on Goanet. Well never mind, but if you tell me the people at DKA have not heard of goanet I won't accept that. Point No 4 I have noted the ;-) in Fred query And, what may I ask, is the link between 'Naked Goa' and Romi Konkani But it's a good question. Naked Goa is a bit connected to Goan culture and Goan identity but let me add 'The Practical English Teacher' is not even remotely connected to Goan culture and Goan identity. But at least it would let some people know that people like Daniel, Domnic, Lino, Fausto, Tony Martin and scores of others don't write in Roman Konkani out of any personal compulsion. They know English. A Roman Konkani writer primarily, I have sold 5500 copies of the Practical English Teacher in Goa -- an odious comparison but I wonder how many copies Pundalik Naik has sold of his best book. Just curiousity, no malice? There are a few people who write good Roman Konkani but don't want to show it because they want to be known only as descendents of Oxford and Cambridge with no inkling of Konkani) Point No 5: Who has told DKA that Sharon is the voice of Goa. By what criterion/criteria anyway? I remember some years back I had staged Wilson Mazarello's tiatr in Kankonn. (not out of any love for Konkani or tiatr but only hoping to make a profit.) It ended up that only some 100 people turned up. I don't remember the name of the tiatr but I distinctly remember the sum. I had to pay the 'famous duo' another Rs 500/- after a lot of spot borrowing. And the great Wilson refused to continue the second half of the tiatr unless he got his Rs 500/- For every 10 devils there is at least one good samaritan. Of course I managed to pay him. I got a first hand taste of Konkani mogis. There was also something called tiatristanchi sounstha. The Sharon/Wilson duo were part of it. I wonder what happened. Let the DKA spell out their constitution, aims and objectives. Till then it is once again a matter of amchi daar, tumche fozznem. Or is it amche fozznem tumchem fest. (Amche = People who pay for a cause) Tony Martin Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:12:26 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha(FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: DKA MEGA event, details please. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Anthony Barretto wrote: Well I had asked for details about DKA MEGA event. But no answers so far. If there is going to be a book exhibition on Dec 17, I have three books to exhibit and sell. Naked Goa, The Hi Tony, Like most in Goa, the organisers of the event might not be regularly using email. It's also quite possible they're not part of Goanet. Are you sure this is the best place to post your query directed to some individuals? And, what may I ask, is the link between 'Naked Goa' and Romi Konkani ;-) FN __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]1000 Marbles!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## The older I get, the more I enjoy Saturday mornings. Perhaps it's the quiet solitude that comes with being the first to rise, or maybe it's the unbounded joy of not having to be at work. Either way, the first few hours of a Saturday morning are most enjoyable. A few weeks ago, I was shuffling toward the basement shack with a steaming cup of coffee in one hand and the morning paper in the other. What began as a typical Saturday morning, turned into one of those lessons that life seems to hand you from time to time. I turned the dial up into the phone portion of the band on my ham radio in order to listen to a Saturday morning swap net. Along the way, came across an older sounding chap, with a tremendous signal and a golden voice. You know the kind, he sounded like he should be in the broadcasting business. He was telling whomever he was talking with something about a thousand marbles. I was intrigued and stopped to listen to what he had to say. Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you're busy with your job. I'm sure they pay you well but it's a shame you have to be away from home and your family so much. Hard to believe a young fellow should have to work sixty or seventy hours a week to make ends meet. Too bad you missed your daughter's dance recital. He continued, Let me tell you something Tom, something that has helped me keep a good perspective on my own priorities. And that's when he began to explain his theory of a thousand marbles. You see, I sat down one day and did a little arithmetic. The average person lives about seventy-five years. I know, some live more and some live less, but on average, folks live about seventy-five years. Now then, I multiplied 75 times 52 and I came up with 3900 which is the number of Saturdays that the average person has in their entire lifetime. Now stick with me Tom, I'm getting to the important part. It took me until I was fifty-five years old to think about all this in any detail, he went on, and by that time, I had lived through over twenty-eight hundred Saturdays. I got to thinking that if I lived to be seventy-five, I only had about 1,000 of them left to enjoy. Only 1,000. And that was if I was lucky. So I went to a toy store and bought every single marble they had. I ended up having to visit three toy stores to roundup 1,000 marbles. I took them home and put them inside of a large, clear plastic container right here in the shack next to my gear. Every Saturday since then, I have taken one marble out and thrown it away. I found that by watching the marbles diminish, I focused more on the really important things in life. There is nothing like watching your time here on this earth run out to help get your priorities straight. Now let me tell you one last thing before I sign-off with you and take my lovely wife out for breakfast. This morning, I took the very last marble out of the container. I figure if I make it until next Saturday then I have been given a little extra time. And the one thing we can all use is a little more time. It was nice to meet you Tom, I hope you spend more time with your family, and I hope to meet you again here on the band. 75 year Old Man, this is K9NZQ, clear and going QRT, good morning! You could have heard a pin drop on the band when this fellow signed off. I guess he gave us all a lot to think about. I had planned to work on the antenna that morning, and then I was going to meet up with a few hams to work on the next club newsletter. Instead, I went upstairs and woke my wife up with a kiss. C'mon honey, I'm taking you and the kids to breakfast. What brought this on? she asked with a smile. Oh, nothing special, it's just been a long time since we spent a Saturday together with the kids. Hey, can we stop at a toy store while we're out? I need to buy some marbles. Make the best of your life while you can! _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]HERITAGE MUSICAL SHOW 05.
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## HERITAGE MUSICAL SHOW 05. In Kuwait Goan community in particular and Konkani people in general are very much involved in organizing their cultural activities in the form of dramas and musical shows. Konkani Heritage Kuwait is one such organization, which is on forefront in organizing Konkani Musical Shows for Konkani people mainly for Goans and Mangaloreans. The Musical shows organized by KHK are very much in demand because of the quality and performances of the local as well as visiting artistes. The new year will begin for Konkani people with the staging of Grand Heritage Musical Show 05 organised by KHK and it will be held at Hawally A/C Hall, opp. Al Mubarakia Hospital on 14th January starting at 4.00 p.m. In order to give total satisfaction for the audience, 7 visiting artistes all from Goa are coming to perform in this grand Musical Show amongst them the two topmost comedians of Konkani Stage namely Prince Jacob and his brother comedy supremo Humbert who will delight the audience by producing peals of laughter in the hall, of course as usual. The worth of their comedy is known only to those who have seen them in comedy roles earlier. The other visiting artistes who will mesmerize the audience with his beautiful style of singing is Melody Prince Lawry Travasso who besides singing other songs will also sing the most admirable solo SAIBINN which is creating lot of ripples in Goa. This song is in such a big demand in Goa that in every village where he renders this song he is requested to sing it again and again. The duet of Peter and Roshan is yet another sensation of Konkani Stage and both of them will provide fabulous entertainment for the audience. Roshan will render her beautiful solos one of them is Doom which is based on favourite Hindi film song. With her beautiful looks she will surely capture the minds and hearts of the audience. The most interesting item of the visiting artistes will be that of young College belle Veeam Bond Braganza who is dubbed as a replica of Lorna. Miss Braganza is a new sensation in Goa and crowd puller. Her enchanting voice easily grabs the attention of the audience. This is the first time she is visiting Kuwait only on the request of KHK. Besides the above, the last visiting artiste will be Bonaventure Pietro who will play the musical item and perform on the stage with his blowing instruments. He is also coming to Kuwait for the first time and during the show he will be honoured by KHK for his enormous contribution in the promotion of Konkani language. He is an editor of Magazine Arso, writer and editor of so many novels. The local artistes who will perform in this show will be the well known singer, writer, director and architect of first Konkani CD Rosary Ferns whose skit Antun Poun Paiem Sodd will surely delight audience as in the earlier cases, Marcus Vaz, evergreen Querobina, melodious singer Sanny de Quepem, Domnick, Bab Agnelo, Viswas Remimbus and sweet voice singer Roney DCunha his wife Jasmine. Rosary Ferns along with Querobina and Sanny de Quepem will sing a special trio song on Brazilian soccer player Cristiano Junior who recently died in Bangalore during the Federation Cup Final playing for Goa's famed outfit Dempo Sports Club. The musical score for the show will be provided by Dennis, Sucurro, Faustinho, Philipe, Allen, Tony, Johny and Menino de Ribandar. Sound system will be provided by Spiders. Stage Setting and Lights by Menino de Ribandar. The direction of the show will be done by Fidelis Fernandes. Gate Passes are available with Raja Stores tel 2412970, Golden Goa Kuwait City and organizers on tel nos. 2413634, 6583537,9745291 and 7643017. Remember It is a KHK presentation A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Ronald, 1. As you surely must know, John Kerry exactly articulated many things during the campaign, many of them exactly the opposite of another. Maybe you know exactly what he would have done, but 51% of the electorate were not willing to take the risk. 2. Well, regardless of how you play with the numbers, the last time I checked, George Bush had won the election and the Republicans had INCREASED their margins in the House, the Senate and the state Governorships. Bush and the Republicans would not have been in this position if most Americans who voted had not voted for them. So I think my my characterization is pretty solid, hardly fluid. 3. Only a very few soldiers are opposing the stop loss provisions as they are entitled to do, but they will probably lose because this is something they agreed to when they enlisted. Stop loss provisions are used to maintain what they call troop cohesion for short periods of time. 4. Saddam was not a threat is your opinion, and some others as well. I disagree. He not only represented a threat of providing Al Qaeda with WMDs in the future, but was a brutal and murderous dictator as well. Unfortunately for your side, Chain of Command, the one analysis that you have read among many, is not the ultimate authority. That would be President Bush. 5. By your own admission, when you complained that Saddam was being singled out from among many bad dictators, and by an observation of the facts, the US does not go to war with with every un-democratic country just to get it to become a democracy. Also, I wish you would read my postings more carefully. I DID NOT say that spreading democracy in Iraq was the stated reason for going to war. I explained in great detail that it was UN resolution 1441 and the 16 previous resolutions on the same subject over 12 years since 1991, all demanding that Saddam disclose an accounting of his WMDs. How can 17 UN resolutions over 12 years, the last one containing an ultimatum be described by anyone as making up a reason after the fact? 6. I will SERIOUSLY stop looking for the unaccounted WMDs once they are SERIOUSLY accounted for. Physics 101 taught me that matter does not disappear into thin air. There has to be a rational explanation for what happened to them. Not finding them is not a rational explanation. 7. Your problem seems to be that you believe the NY Times. I don't without independent corroboration. Furthermore, I think it is unseemly for you to continue to repeat the canard that Saddam was involved in 9/11, when President Bush has always said that he was not and the 9/11 Commission did as well. 8. I think it shows that you are running out of intellectual steam when you resort to insulting comments about me believing propaganda, not doing independent research and getting my news from TV. You seem to be insinuating that you have a higher level ability to get the facts, while you continue to spout left wing propaganda all over the place. 9. I hate to disappoint you, Ronald, but I volunteered to go to Iraq, and they turned me down on the grounds that I'm an old fart with heart disease and on the verge of surviving cancer. So, I have no choice but to reiterate the facts as I know them until everyone at least gets their facts straight. Then whatever opinions you arrive at are fine with me. After all, we have the luxury to have differing opinions, Ronald. In Saddam's Iraq and in the Taliban's Afghanistan, political opponents did not have that luxury. I know an Iraqi refugee in Detroit whose wife and daughter were raped in front of him by Saddam's goons, because someone told them that he had made a joke about Saddam. After hearing stories like that, dealing with opposition to the liberation of these countries has become my mission. I still can't figure out why some people, using every sophistry they can muster, oppose the effort to bring them this opportunity. Ronald Albuquerque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Because the Democratic candidate for US President this year was a Vietnam era holdover, it was critical to the liberation of Iraq
[Goanet]RIBANDAR MOLESTATION CASE: CHILDREN'S COURT TO HEAR COMPLAINT AGAINST PRIEST
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## The 4 member Children's Court headed by South Goa District Judge A.D.Salkar will on Friday 17th December hear the criminal complaint filed by Mr. Anthony Frois uncle of the minor girl allegedly molested by Ribandar Parish Priest Fr. Newton Rodrigues. The complaint which is the first of its kind before the recently constituted Children's court has been filed by Mr. Frois against the Parish Priest in view of the police dragging its feet in filing the charge sheet against the accused priest. It may be recalled that the Old Goa Police station had on 18th August 2004 registered an F.I.R against Fr. Newton Rodrigues based on a complaint from a 13-year-old Ribandar girl that on the pretext of taking confession the Parish Priest Fr. Newton Rodrigues took her to a room in the church and molested her. The investigation officer of the case Crime Branch Police Inspector Ezilda D' Souza who ironically also hails from Ribandar had in a statement before the Panaji Bench of the Bombay High Court on 16th September submitted that the investigation of the alleged Ribandar Church molestation case was in its last stage and that the charge sheet against Fr. Newton Rodrigues was being filed shortly. There have reportedly been attempts to hush up the matter by getting the victim to withdraw the complaint inorder to save Fr. Newton Rodrigues from being the first Roman Catholic Priest in Goa to be prosecuted for an offence of molestation. A contempt of Court petition filed against Inspector Mrs. Ezilda D' Souza for not complying with her statement is already pending before the Panaji Bench of the Bombay High Court. The Ribandar Church molestation case was also one of the bone of contentions in the recent row between Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and former DGP Mr. Amod Kanth with the DGP refusing to relent to political pressures not to chargesheet the Parish priest. The DGP had reportedly taken a very firm stand that nobody is above the law.
[Goanet]Dempo Tragedy II: trainer dies at club ground
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60843 Dempo Tragedy II: trainer dies at club ground MICKY AIGNER Send Feedback E-mail this story Print this story Posted online: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at hours IST Death at play PUNE, DECEMBER 14: Hours after Dempo Sports Club paid their last respects to Cristiano Junior the club mourned the death of their fitness consultant Lancy Sequeira. Sequeira, widely regarded as Goa's best coach, died yesterday after suffering a massive heart attack at the Campal Sports ground. Sequeira, 48, who was attached with the Sports Authority of Goa (SAG), was primarily an athletics coach who'd been attached with Dempo for the past two years. Known to be a strict disciplinarian, the Mangalore-born Sequeira was training the state junior squad and had come to the Dempo Club House to pay his respects to Junior, said club coach Armando Colaco. While at the club he complained of giddiness and collapsed twice while entering the ground. Meanwhile, Colaco -- himself suffering from high blood pressure -- has been ordered bed rest after his pressure shot up in the fallout of Junior's death. ''In all the running around and activity I missed my medication a couple of times, which had led to this,'' Colaco told The Indian Express today. ''Ever since Junior's demise, I've overworked myself and the whole episode has resulted in quite a bit of anxiety...probabally that's the reason.'' Even as he appeared upbeat about his recovery, he excused himself from further conversation -- I need the rest now -- saying that on Wednesday Dempo get back to practice. This would be the first session after Sunday, December 5.
[Goanet]Two minutes for TAJ!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Two minutes for TAJ! People worldwide are casting there votes to elect the New Seven Wonders of the world. Initially, there will be short-listing for 21 monuments till February and then the voting will continue and will be announcing the New Seven Wonders of the World on January 1, 2006. The Taj Mahal, for which we are proud to be, is also in the competition. As of yesterday, Great Wall of China is leading with higher votes and the Taj is in the seventh place. To bring this China wall to first position, more than 50% of votes are cast from the home country China. Unfortunately, the Taj is in the seventh position because of only 1.9% of votes from Indians. Can we spend sometime to cast our votes? Just login www.new7wonders.com and cast your vote. Pl circulate this to your friends and let's retain the Taj Mahal among them.
[Goanet]Goa and migrants
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## It has been observed that a lot has been said and written on this forum mostly in support of the migrants. It is not at all my intention to refute. But I would just like to say that what has been so far presented is from one camera angle only. There is definitely another which I propose to present. There is nothing in the world which is totally good or wholly bad.There are always plus and minus points. The Indian constitution guarantees the right of free movement. Migration has always been there and will always continue as long as man lives.Let us examine the plus points of the presence of migrants in Goa: 1. Helped in infrastructural development. 2. Contributed to the construction/housing activity. 3. Constitute a sizeable segment of the labour force in public as well as private concerns. 4. Provided the much needed menial labour. 5. Manned many of the posts in the educational sector. 6. Occupied most of the posts in the University. 7. Grabbed many higher posts in certain government departments like Electricity and PWD. I think that more or less sums up the contribution of outsiders. Incidentally ghatti/gantti came from the word ghatt or ghantt-the western ghats-which might have down the ages acquired a derogatory connotation. First and foremost let me analyse how such a big number of migrants reached Goa. Around 40% of Goa's population today is made up of migrants. Goa has a very low birth rate but Goa's population showed an upward trend precisely because of migrants. One reason for such a heavy influx is because word spread far and wide that Goa was a land flowing with milk and honey. Ask the maids working in Goan houses. The second reason was the greed of labour contractors. For every new project the same or a new labour contractor would import a new labour force. Why? I asked once a labourer digging a ditch for laying of telephone cables how much he was being paid per day. He said he was getting Rs. 30. At that time any man if hired was charging Rs.60 per day. So you see per day per person the contractor was pocketing 100% besides he would be making his own profit. Have a look at all the labour contractors and see how fat they have become. Big cars, posh bungalows, heavy jewellery, fat portubas, etc. Once the project is over they become our liability. They start scouting for land. They have then to meet their basic necessities. Since they are living in huts they do not have to pay for any of this. No problem. They are poor people. Let them enjoy at least a little bit of comfort. Soon the politicians smell an opportunity and ration cards are distributed quite freely. Never mind. Let them eat. Their children are growing up. We have a school. Let us enroll them. We too will make up our strength. The children start going to school. They grow up and approach someone or the other and land a reasonably good job. Then one day you see one of them going home. When he had come to Goa he did not even have a decent shirt. Today he's worn a mid-priced pair of jeans, a long-sleeved readymade shirt, a smart pair of cads, a pair of sunglasses and a brand new suitcase. He's going home like a hero. Actually its the same situation as with the Gulfees. But it does not end there. He has taken some money with him with which he will start constructing a house. He will also start a small business or start an irrigation system in his fields and grow some cash crop. Now who benefitted? In short what I want to say is that many Indian states have to be grateful to Goa for improving the educational, social, cultural and economic status of its citizens directly and indirectly. This is what I am sore about? At least acknowledge that Goa is doing a great favour to many of the other Indian states for if the pros and cons are weighed it can be clearly seen that Goa is doing more for them than they are doing for Goa. Here some people will say that many Goans have benefited from the largesse of other states. Agreed. Some are quick to cite the example of Bombay. But my question is how many, in comparison to the local population. Here it is 60% who's paying for the reamaining 40%. So what hurts is the justification. What hurts is the pride in saying you Goans cant do without us. And it is some half-baked patrakars who never try to present an objective, balanced, unbiased situation. What hurts is when after enjoying our hospitality they try to throw us out.( Remember the stroy of the Arab and the camel). Let me narrate just one incident. I was then around twenty years or so. I was sent to one of the departments in connection with my appointment. There was a Keralite manning the desk where I had to get my work done. I had come to
[Goanet]4 day -FOOD CULTURAL FETE at BAINA Vasco-da-Gama Goa
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## A Sea Harrier running off the runaway at Goa's civilian cum naval airbase Dabolim early morning with the pilot bailing out (as confirmed from the desk of PRO Indian Navy (Tel 2513950) made news today. Politically the Goa Government Cabinet meet yesterday decided to pursue to its logical (read political) conclusion the Justice Pendse report on the Economic Development Corporation imbroglio the one time settlements (OTS) . The accusations and counter accusations by the CM Manohar Parrikar and then Industries Minister, now present MLA (Navelim Constituency) and Goa Pradesh Congress Committee Chief Mr Luizinho Faleiro, is only intended to CHECKMATE moves for a political instability rock the CM's boat by the Indian National Congress as the Supreme Court decided to refer back the case of disqualification (on grounds of holiding office of profit and contesting the Assembly elections June 2002) of two elected representatives of the BJP Mr Dayanand Mandrekar Minister for Agriculture and Mr Rajendra Arlekar MLA VascodaGama BJP Chief in Goa back to the High Court . The rumours( at Mickeys birthday bash) floating of a comeback to the Parrikar fold by ex Tourism Minister Mr Francisco (Mickey) Pacheco MLA Benaulim, and the reported Town Country Planning Minister Mr Atanasio (Babush) Monseratte stay off (holidaying in gulf pastures Dubai) from major part of IFFI event happening in his backyard all these made news today. But then this is Chirstmas season and every one has a reason to dance the Xmas polka and true to this spirit the Mormugao VascodaGama Citizens Forum President Mr Andrew Alvares (a veteran trade union leader in the Port town )in association with the Mormugao Municipal Council headed by Mr Deepak Naik its latest Chairperson (after several rounds of musical chairs read seating and unseating of Chairpersons resignations withdrawals and what have you) have drawn plans to organise a 4 day (16 - 19 December 2004) under the stewardship of Mr Rajendra Arlekar (MLA and President of BJP Goa Unit) Food and Cultural Festival 2004 on the sands of the famous for its (then) infamous activity (the worlds oldest profession) city Beach Baina Vasco da Gama (the other being Miramar in Panaji which had witnessed the IFFI Goa 2004 entertainment bash up). This writer visited the festivity scene this afternoon,and found enthusiasts natives of Baina putting up the stage on the beach just beyond the Housing Board Colony, the giant wheel and a merry go round by a Kolhapur party. To stay off the High Court directives and vigilant NGOs the food stalls are put up not on the beach but on the road across the proposed highway which runs from Headland Sada via Bogda and via Desterro alongside the beach (but suffers illegal encroachment by squatters behind the MPT Hospital). There are still some traces of stench of excreta in the air a grim reminder of the hoary past ---pre June 2004 when demolitions of illegal hutments and encroachers (on the Government and Municipal land) existing since post November 1965 were carried out with NGOs Human right activitist fuming at the draconian inhuman act of the Parrikar Government moves and many knocking unsucessfully at the High Court's doors. It was a blessing in disguise said a native of Baina to this writer it needed political guts and guts he (read CM) has shown. But today it was different the debris has been cleared; but at the far end southwards of the 3.4 kms beach which ends up in the INS Hansa air base there are several partly demolished structures the occupants looked with suspicious eyes the movements of this writer. But they were all genuine labourers from Karnataka UP some Moslems (they have two Mosques one at the approach of the Beach which they have volunteered to have it demolished the other at the south end) who do provide support services in menial jobs in Goa, and some niz goencars toddy tappers, fishermen, now entered into commercial business bars, taverns, and the grocery (posres). This writer interacted with Mr Andrew Alvares President of the Forum who was overseeing the activites for the festivities -- they are happy that this third event is coming up this evening -- it has the support of every Goan there is no doubt -- Baina was never believed to have been changed to its present status. There is resentment but from the non natives but by and large the cosmopolitan community of Mormugao and Vasco da gama the Port town and city have welcomed the demolitions carried out in June to rid the palce of this menance. Little beyond along the southern side resides Mr Alvares in a cute looking recently built complex and beyond is the bungalow of
RE: [Goanet]Visas to India
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Norman Lobo wrote: Themistoclles, Could you explain why US citizens of Indian origin have to apply for visas and get clearance form Islamabad before they land in Pakistan: whereas US citizens of other nationalalities can get visas at the port of entry in Pakistan. The answer to this question is also the answer to your question. It is a case of reciprocity. Norman Lobo, Antelope, CA Without getting into the bitterness of the South Asian cold war, it needs to be pointed out that Goans migrated to Karachi long before 1947, and their decision was entirely economic -- not political. To treat Goans as 'traitors' on the other side of the border is to overlook a crucial point. I'm not saying this because of their religion, but because the history of Goan migration to Karachi (just another port city, only further away than Bombay) for economic reasons cannot be confused with the post-1947 migration for political/religious reasons. Don't you agree this point needs to be accepted, Norman? FN
[Goanet]OPEN LETTER TO G.O.A. (U.K.) LTD
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Dear Madam Secretary, Further to my previous email to you, I wish to furthr elaborate, on pertinent issues relating to the Articles or the G.O.A (U.K.) LTD :- APPOINTMENT AND RETIREMENT OF DIRECTORS ARTICLE 24 Unless otherwise determined by Ordinary Resolution, the number of Directors shall be not more than twelve in number and shall include the President, Vice President and such other designations and functions respectively as may be prescribed in the Rules of the G.O.A. The Rules do not make provision for a Chairman as per request for confirming same - notice to Members. ARTICLE 27 The Directors may for time to time and at any time appoint an Ordinary of Life Member of the G.O.A. as a Director either to fill a casual vacancy or by way of addition, provided that the prescribed maximum be not thereby exceeded. Any member so appointed shall retain his office only until the next Annual General Meeting, but he shall then be eligible for re-election. Not for confirmation as is being proposed by the Board of Directors. I urge the Board of Directors of the G.O.A (U.K.) Ltd to study The Memorandum and Articles of the Association before putting out notices which in effect are not legitimate. Yours faithfully, Gabriel V Menezes. Life Member.
[Goanet]Sea Harrier crash lands at the Naval air station at DABOLIM AIRPORT
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Sea Harrier crashlands SANJAY BANERJEE TIMES NEWS NETWORK PANAJI: A Sea Harrier crash landed at the naval air station, Dabolim airport on Thursday morning but the pilot, who was on a routine training mission, escaped unhurt, said commander, N V Kesari, PRO of Indian Navy. While touching down, the aircraft crash-landed. It is believed there was some error in the trajectory of the path that caused the aircraft to crash land. The aircraft was damaged in the incident. The Navy has ordered an inquiry into the incident. Normal air traffic was hit for a while. - Hope the Philip Thomases and RadhaKrishnans will open their eyes once again. - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com. __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Congratulations to Marlon and Aldila
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Tim de Mello wrote: Marlon's wife, Aldila, gave birth to their first born, Mark, on December 13. Mark came into this world a little earlier than planned weghing 6lb 4oz. Both mother and child are doing well. Dear Mr. de Mello, Could you please find out how Marlon is doing? Often at the time of childbirth we tend to forget that the father too has ben through a lot of tension. Specially for a first-time father it can be quite a stressful event. But our concerns are always exclusively focused on the well being of the mother and the child. Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet]Recipes... cake and bread
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Nice recipes for cakes http://www.mail-archive.com/cake-recipe%40yahoogroups.com/ and for bread too http://www.mail-archive.com/bread-recipe%40yahoogroups.com/ a wide range including Huichol Indian rat bread, Bama buttermilk cornbread, banana nut bread, motri (crunchies) from India, oat pancakes, Czech kolaches, fluffy white sandwich bread... and more. Enjoy! FN
[Goanet]Dutch fold like cheap suits
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## TWO MURDERS and the Dutch are fleeing their socialist haven in droves, their self-image of racial tolerance in tatters. But they are escaping to the increasingly racially diverse and multi-cultural countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand. What are these people thinking? Exodus as Dutch middle class seek new life (Filed: 11/12/2004) For years Holland was celebrated as a symbol of racial tolerance. But two high-profile murders have changed all that, reports Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Escaping the stress of clogged roads, street violence and loss of faith in Holland's once celebrated way of life, the Dutch middle classes are leaving the country in droves for the first time in living memory. The new wave of educated migrants are quietly voting with their feet against a multicultural experiment long touted as a model for the world, but increasingly a warning of how good intentions can go wrong. Australia, Canada and New Zealand are the pin-up countries for those craving the great outdoors and old-fashioned civility. The illusion that all was well in the Netherlands died in May 2002 when Pim Fortuyn, the shaven-headed, gay populist, was shot by a Left-wing activist in the country's first political assassination since 1584. Fulminating home truths than nobody else dared utter, Fortuyn swept on to the political stage protesting that Europe's most densely-populated country was full to bursting point, and that Muslim immigration, leavened with Salafist extremism, had reached a level where it was starting to destabilise Dutch society itself. His movement won more seats than the ruling Labour party in the 2002 elections. Theo van Gogh, his friend and disciple, was next. The mischievous film-maker had his throat cut by an Islamic fanatic last month as he bicycled to work through the heart of Amsterdam, punished for a film about repression of women in the Muslim world. A shrill provocateur, Mr van Gogh was not to everybody's taste. He once filmed kittens being mangled to death in a washing machine, which he thought was hilarious. But his ritual execution, apparently by an Islamist hit squad, has shocked the country. Two leading MPs known to be targets are in hiding. The political class has been chilled to the bone, while white gangs have firebombed or attacked around 20 mosques and Islamic centres. This was our 9/11. It was the moment the Netherlands lost its naivety. We always thought that we were the country of multicultural tolerance that could do no wrong, said Prof Han Entzinger of Rotterdam University. Frans Buysse, the head of Buysse Immigration Consultancy, said he received more than 13,000 hits on his emigration website in November, four times the usual level. His office in Culemburg is flooded with fresh applications. Van Gogh's death was a confirmation for them of what they already sensed was happening, he said. They're accountants, teachers, nurses, businessmen and bricklayers, from all walks of life. They see things going on every day in this country that are quite unbelievable. They see no clear message from the government, and they are afraid it's becoming irreversible, that's why they are leaving. The tales range from exhaustion with Holland's epidemic of road rage incidents, to fears that it is no longer safe to go shopping. Van Gogh was a very public victim, but there are unknown victims on streets all the time. It's the living climate that is deteriorating. There are too many people on this one small spot of land,'' said Mr Buysse. More people left the Netherlands in 2003 than arrived, ending a half-century cycle of surging immigration that has turned a tight-knit Nordic tribe into a multi-ethnic mosaic with three million people of foreign roots out of 16 million. Almost one million are Muslims, mostly Turks and Moroccan-Berbers. In Rotterdam, 47 per cent of the city's population is of foreign origin. While asylum claims have plunged, the exodus is accelerating, reaching 13,313 net outflow in the first half of 2004. Many retiring workers are moving to the south of France, but a growing bloc leaving the country appears to be educated, working families. Peter and Ellen Bles have applied for visas to Australia after falling in love with the country during a trip there three years ago. People are so relaxed and open to each other there. As soon as we got home I just wanted to pack up our bags and leave, said Peter, 41, a computer operations manager for ING bank. He was weary of the daily battles, short tempers, and coarsening manners at home. When you want to park your car here it's almost warfare. We go to the supermarket at 8am just to avoid having to fight, he said. A for
[Goanet](no subject)
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## To: Reuvon Proenca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Date: 16th December, 2004. Ref: JU/PC/2004-05/e-210 Sub: Reg: Tourism Related Paedophile a blind eye Reply to Reuvon Proenca - 2 Before I go to the questions, let me respond to the note in your introduction Reg. your article in GT dtd. 31-8-04 you say the information we provided in the report was also provided to tehelka by your office so what's the big secret? correct me if I'm wrong when I say that the info we published was the same that you have in your files. You seem reluctant to admit it Reuvon. The big secret is that we were sure that you used our information to pen your article in GT even if it was presented as GTs investigation. To quote it GT has been closely following leads on the movement of suspected paedophiles in S. Goa--- Our investigations reveal that there are, at the very least, four such people whose movements and activities are highly suspicious We think it was unethical of Tehelka to hand this information to you as it was given to them on a confidential basis to be used for further investigation by them and not for mere media sensation. We also did it because we believed that if the State could not take a stand, they should be exposed. And, it was unethical on your part to publish it, without our permission. Responses to Questions: 1. Does substantial information mean rape of a child? weren't you'll aware that Joe was living with a minor girl for almost 10-years? R. We have not said or implied that. If we were aware we would obviously have acted. Giorgio was a suspect on our list under another name for nearly 2 years and the said girl who has been declared to be 21 years old was a major then. A lot of incriminating evidence has come to the surface after he was booked. 2. There is a problem with the police. you know that and I know that. we all know there's a problem but is anyone trying to put forward a solution? R. Who is this anyone you have in mind? May be the press should take up a campaign like GT did with the Peoples Court to identify the deeper problem and put forward the solution. The NGOs on their part have on several occasions tried to define the problem and put forward a solution. The Goa Childrens Act 2003 was a major step in this direction. 3. Your allegations about Middleton are serious. Have you made any formal complaint in court or to any kind of authority. I would suggest you do that, if not done already. R. We realize you are not well informed about the case, to make the above suggestion. Despite all attempts by the enforcement agency to scuttle and close the case, we are still fighting for justice in the Court. 4. If not the police, then who? are paedophiles going scot free only because the police are allegedly cahoots with them? The children's act makes provision for arrest of paedophiles with hard evidence. R. Good questions. Maybe the readers will attempt an answer. We on our part do our best to see that they do not go scot free despite a lot of hurdles including during the investigation and prosecution process. 5. Ringlemann was a blot. but again, did the NGOs file a complaint against the police handling of the matter. there's always the judiciary. also, proving the Ringleman case, as per the info I have, would have been difficult. isn't it better that the monster is out of the country for good? R. As I said in my earlier response, CRG had informed the police long ago. Did the NGOs file a complaint? You ask. Should it be mandatory for NGOs to file a complaint for the police to act? This brings us to the question of the role of the State vis-à-vis such acts. Should it be merely reactive? Should it not be proactive? If Im not mistaken, in past instances, the police Courts have taken a suo moto approach and treated as an FIR, Newspaper Reports. That was precisely the question put to the DIG Randhava after the Tehelka private screening with the police by some of us - if they cannot act on the basis of the recorded statement/evidences in the video recording. Be it paedophilia cases or acts of vandalism the patent response of the State is: no one has made a complaint, implying that they can act only if a complaint is recorded. This certainly betrays a lack of will on the part of the State and an attempt to sideline and mislead the people. Is merely driving the monster out of the country, without even a shake-up, the solution? Such an approach doesnt even work as a deterrent or preventive, according to us! If we drive one out there will be other Ringlemans.
[Goanet]Initiative from club de Goa, Brisbane
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## On 15 Dec Joy de souza wrote: Club de Goa in Brisbane is having a Karaoke dinner and a prayer at a restaurant on the 18th night being a saturday to bring in 19th Dec, Goa Liberation day to promote Goan Peace and would like you and your organizations to also say a small prayer that day .. to Promote World Wide Goan Unity. A prayer does not cost anything and can achieve more than money spent on functions to make us all happy. == How very true!! It would be nice, if other Goan organisations worldwide, would also make prayer an integral and substantial part of their (Goa day and other) celebrations. Joseph Fernandes Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
Re: [Goanet]16 DEC 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## --- Joel D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WENDELL GIVES COLVALE A GYM: Bollywood star Arbaz Khan inaugurated the Felix Rodricks Gym at Colvale village among a cheering crowd of villagers and students. Donated by fashion designer Wendell Rodricks in memory of his late father, the gym is free for all Colvalkars. Wendell said, I hope other Goan villages will follow suit and that we build a better village life to prevent our youth from moving to large cities. I sincerely believe the beauty of Goa is in the villages. (GT) == CONGRATULATIONS to Wendell , I believe that this is the way forward , I also hope that more of our Goans will take a greater interest in their VILLAGE. You are so right , the beauty of Goa lies in the Villages , I am sure many will agree with that. I am aware that Wendell is on the Goanet e-group ..but I have also bcc him , I would call on him to share his thoughts on how we ..the Overseas Goans can work with Goans in Goa to help our VILLAGERS in projects like the ones he has just launched and projects like Primary health care. Wendell you have made it HAPPEN ! rene barreto === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]SFX EXPO: London to GOA: Last few deals to be there on or before 2nd Jan.
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Sorry, the reasons for long silence being there were no cheaper Deals available this month (due to Xmas rush/School holidays in UK etc) here is what I found... Date 1WK 2WKS 3WKS 4WKS 25Dec 379 399 399 399 (u can leave london after having Xmas dinner or have it on board as the flt. departs as flt. depart 2355hrs on 25th Sat.) 1Jan 379 399 399 399 Contact Mr. ASH on 01582488500 = for Goa Goa Flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa New Official (Church) Site on the SFX Exposition.. http://www.archgoadaman.org/Dioceses/SFX/index.html GOAN NRI related.. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Interest-Free Loan For Journalists
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## It is a little painful for me to write this, and I am doing so after mulling over it for a couple of days. I would request members on this list not to take my points personally. Fred's response gives me an impression of being helpless when it comes to the issues of certain code of conduct for the journalists. If that be so, then surely the same journalists do not have a right to 'expose' others. As they say, people who live in glass houses. If the journalists do not set out their own code of conduct, then they will lose their credibility. In a democracy the loss is not only to the good people in the profession but to the whole society. Sachin Phadte _ Hey there NRIs! Desi news, films, n more! http://www.msn.co.in/nri/ Stay in the loop!
RE: [Goanet]Visas to India
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Themistoclles, Could you explain why US citizens of Indian origin have to apply for visas and get clearance form Islamabad before they land in Pakistan: whereas US citizens of other nationalalities can get visas at the port of entry in Pakistan. The answer to this question is also the answer to your question. It is a case of reciprocity. Norman Lobo, Antelope, CA From: Themistocles D'Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Visas to India Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:04:47 -0500 ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Can anyone explain why it is difficult now for US citizens, who formerly held Pakistani passports to obtain tourist visas to India? There was no problem last year or in the past. TDS
