[Goanet-news]CYBERMATRIMONIALS -- Canada, US, Gulf, Goa, etc (Dec 29, 2004)
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[Goanet-news]30 DEC 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS December 30, 2004 THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: Zonn eka munxeachi iad tachi khasgi videa.) (Everyman's memory is his private literature.) domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] GOA A SAFE DESTINATION: Even as Thailand and Sri Lanka reel under the enormity of the tragedy that has befallen them, European travel companies, having already committed to clients, are desperate to recover from the disaster with as little losses as possible. The answer, they feel, lies in Goa because it offers sunny, palm-fringed beaches and atmosphere, which is on par both Thailand and Sri Lanka. Moreover, Goa escaped the disastrous effects of the Tsumani and is considered a safe destination. However, the State is unable to absorb the few thousand tourists who would be diverted to Goa if the operators had their way. As Travel and Tourism Association of Goa president Charles Bonifacio put it, We do not have the capacity to handle the existing in-flows. We have been receiving, 3,000 more passengers per week as compared to the last season but there hasn't been a proportionate increase in rooms. (GT) ARMY MOUNTS BIGGEST PEACE-TIME OPERATION: The country's armed forces have mounted their biggest operation in peace-time to provide succour to people in the country's tsunami-hit areas, with 4,000 troops and scores of ships and aircraft joining the effort, the Defence Minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee said on December 29. (IANS report in NT) SCRAP THE FILM: Though Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has said that the government would be amenable to any changes to the VCD on Goa's Freedom Struggle, the Congress Party's Vichar Vibhag has stated that the film was beyond repair and should be scrapped to pre-empt any misuse now or in future. Speaking to reporters yesterday, Vichar Vibhag chairman Uday Bhembre said the government's motive in producing the documentary is a deliberate and malicious attempt to pursue the communal agenda of the Sang Parivar under the pretext of presenting the history of Goa's freedom struggle. (GT) A BRIDGE IN DARKNESS: During the past fortnight (the state-of-the-art cable stayed) bridge (between Aldona and Corjuem) and the approach road are thrown into darkness with not a single light being lit.The place becomes pitch dark in the night and the place is so barren without hoses nearby that any untoward incident, especially involving girls, is just waiting to happen. (Anthony Soares, Corjuem, in a letter to the editor of Herald) RTO OFFICIAL FACES AXE: The vigilance department has decided to suspend Assistant Director of Transport GS Narvekar for allegedly manipulating investigation records and colluding with the police apparently with the intention to let a pick-up van driver go scot-free in an accident case in which one motorcyclist was killed at Guirim, Bardez. (H) TB CUNHAS'S PORTRAIT SHOULD BE PLACED IN PARLIAMENT: EDUARDO: The Rajya Sabha member from Goa and former Union minister, Mr Eduardo Faleiro, has requested the Lok Sabha Speaker that the portrait of Dr Tirstao Braganza De Cunha, who played a prominent role in Goa's liberation struggle, be placed in the Parliament House along with that of other national leaders. (NT) SECOND GOMANT VISHWA SAMMELAN: About 500 delegates, including 100 NRIs, are expected to participate in the 3-day second Gomant Vishwa Sammelan, organised by the NRI Facilitation Centre, and set to begin at the Kala Academy complex, Panaji, on January 3, 2005. This second conclave of world wide Goans will focus on two issues - healthcare and agriculture. The conclave will also bring out a report card on what action has been taken on the recommendations of the last conclave which had deliberated on five thrust area of agriculture, education, tourism, industry and healthcare. The inauguration will be followed by a presentation on the Cultural History of Goa by Dr Nandakumar Kamat and a seminar on Emerging Identity of Goa. (NT) GOA MARRIOTT EMPLOYEES CLEAN UP BEACH: Employees of Goa Marriott Resort rolled up their sleeves to cleanup Miramar beach in yet another Spirit to serve the community initiative on Friday. The enthusiastic group of 35 people collected a total of 20 bags of plastic waste and miscellaneous garbage, after the closing ceremony of the IFFI. (GT) BOOKED FOR VIOLATING SMOKING ACT: In a major raid on December 29, the flying squad of North Goa District booked forty-seven cases against violators of the Goa Prohibition of Smoking and Spitting Act 1997. Fines to the tune of Rs.23,400 were collected in the raid which
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariq, Sorry, but I do not have the time to educate you. However, if you are interested in the subject you may conduct a search under the name Jagdish Bhagwati, a Professor of Economics at Columbia University, and educate yourself. Now, my simple question was asking you to provide statistics on the number of jobs lost due to outsourcing and how those jobs have been replaced by other jobs in the US. That is something that you have not done and I probably expect you to never do. Returning to Jagdish Bhagwati. He has two main points: 1. Globalization is good for the world in the long run. 2. Globalization will reap benefits only if all parties (countries) commit to it fully. Both in my opinion are theories that have no definitive time frame for fulfillment. Dr. Bhagwati himself evades the answer, preferring to point out that benefits are not possible unless all countries commit to it fully. If you do, you will find the answer to the issue of jobs created in the US by foreign companies versus the jobs lost to US operations in foreign countries. The issue is one of free trade not minutiae like outsourcing and insourcing. How does it make a difference to the jobs created why a company places a plant or business in another country? The difference here is that the plant being set up in, say China, does not mean that the US worker(s) will concentrate on other aspects of the business process, to either improve or expand revenue. Rather, the US worker is simply being dismissed and his job is being given to the lowest bidder. In any case, your argumentative posts in favor of a posted question addressed to someone else are once again irrelevent because the US free enterprise system places no restrictions on US companies and how they and where they do business. Your comments above are quite untrue. There are notable restrictions placed on US business. In a true free-market society, movement of labor should be allowed as well. Yet, we see restrictions on importation of labor. Therefore, to work around this restriction, big businesses lobby to arrange free trade agreements. The sole purpose of these deals are not to allow US products in those countries, that is presented as a smokescreen. Rather to allow US companies to set up factories and offices in those countries that allows duty free import of that product in the US. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]CAUTION - Tsunaimi Victims Relief Fund- Donors
The moves to assist the victim of natural catastrophe is well recieved . Such moves given the colossal magnitude of the damage to life and property will definitely receive the support it deserves. This writer has been discussing this issue of assistance for the past couple of days with several good samaritans and they believe firmly that their mite in cash or kind should go directly to those whom such assistance is intended. Many also do not suscribe to the idea of compulsory deductions of a certain amount from their salaries or a days wages as they argue that in their individual capacities as members of other organisations too collectively they may end up contributing more then they intend. Further in the opinion of several persons that this writer has interacted with they state that the Gujarat Earthquake relief fund collected from donors almost for a whole year round by the previous Government at the Centre and the State Government was distributed according to political, caste, affiliations and economic profile of the victims. Far worse the amount collected from caste /community based institutions were demanded to be given only to like caste/community and none other. This was the human irony even in such natural tragedies. These were bitter experiences of those that contributed in cash or kind in the fervent hope that the poor amongst the poorest or the truly needy who have lost kith kin or were orphaned or their roof or economic holdings lost and in despair should deserve priority. Take yet another case of Latur (in Maharashtra) earthquake, they say it was the same formula and to prove the point there was an instance where this writer himself learnt of a Headmaster of a prominent school in South Goa hailing from Latur (the Constituency of the present Union Home Minister Mr Shivraj Patil of the Indian National Congress Party ) who while in Goa recieved large donations as an earthquake victim enough to rebuild a bungalow. Unfortunately he too faded away a year after occupying the same post retirement. Yet another shocking instance was in Orissa floods where the non Brahmins were made to atone for their sins by offering prayers to the Brahmins (who in India have others believe that they are incarnates of God Almighty on Earth and other lower castes must pay obeisance to them and succumb to their dicatates right or wrong ) as the Brahmins held their sins responsible for Gods wrath (cyclone and floods) on humankind. How can one expect the donations to reach such persons if they are blamed for the tragedy. There have been instances where the district administration has been lethargic when it comes to people of a certain low caste being affected. Unlike Goa where the Primeiro Bairro around the Churches or Baixo areas near the coastline are invariably are inhabited by the upper and lower caste, in places elsewhere in India this caste and religion based community wise habitation is predominant and water tight. For a low caste to drink from a well of the upercaste is a mortal sin. Or the shadow of the lower caste following on an upper caste is still practiced in several states in India . Little wonder then how these donations suffer. And in such a situation where caste and communal configurations are predominant in the Indian psyche and where merit is by birth rather than ones worth, and the Dravidian states follow this in letter and spirit there is a demand that this time there should be caution excercised in both the collection and distribution of donations. They also state that the numbers of dead or missing or the damage to property are inflated by respective governments in power only to extract their pound of flesh (money ) from the Centre in the name of natural calamity and siphon it either to party coffers or for political or individual purposes. Unfortunately due to rapid decompositon of bodies the mass cremations and burials necessitated to avoid an epidemic there is no recorded evidence of the persons actually killed and it may take some time for realisation to dawn on the near accurate figure of those dead or missing. The unrecorded deaths and missing persons could throw up a legal fiction depriving the needy of funds. Therefore rather than leave the Government and the bureaucracy to distribute the funds they suggest a s safe way out. Let the list of those dead missing and their dependants besides personal property both immovable and movable for each ward down in a Village Panachayat Municipality or Corporation be put up by the Government authorities. The Circle Inspectors the Aval Karkums and Mamlatdar are competent to make out these lists ward and Saza wise . Once this data is ratified by the local District Magistrate/Collector then the donors could be given the lists of each ward in a Village Panchayat Municipality or Municipal Corporation consisting of and the donors could directly distribute the amount to the donee by opening savings or bank
Re: [Goanet] Cheney likes Chinese
Mario Goveia wrote in a previous post addressed to Santosh Helekar: Anyone who reads your posts can see that it is you who show little decency or civility, while whining about others. Santosh responds: I do not feel the need to respond to anything in the above post because it contains nothing of substance in it. Hopefully, this will be the end of this discussion with Mr. Mario Goveia. Mario replies: I am not surprised that you feel no need to respond, but you should. When I called someone stupid recently, I apologized to him because what I had said was inappropriate. The substance that you seem to have missed was your intemperate language, a series of ad hominem insults as can be seen below, ALL FROM ONE POST, while you are quick to object to any slight, whether real or imagined, when addressed to you.: 1. Mr. Mario Goveia fails miserably to defend his false assertion 2. Displaying an utter lack of sincerity and decency 3. disseminate misinformation in the service of his discredited ideology. 4. Mr. Goveia is deceptive 5. Mr. Goveia is lying
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
TO: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tariq writes: I will agree with you when you show me the UN resolutions for intervention in Grenada, Panama and Vietnam. Mario replies: Those were Cold War days. Different times, different conditions, different rationales. It's kind of hard to explain UN resolutions to someone like Tariq who refuses to acknowledge them and what they have called for. Here is what one anti-Vietnam activist says today: Four months after the Democrats cut off aid to Cambodia and Vietnam in January 1975, both regimes fell to the Communist armies. Within three years the Communist victors had slaughtered two-and-a-half million peasants in the Indochinese peninsula, paving the way for their socialist paradise. The blood of those victims is on the hands of the Americans who forced this withdrawal: John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and George McGovern and antiwar activists like myself. - David Horowitz Tim de Mello, an anti-Iraq-liberation gang member heartily agrees with Tariq: Yes, and we must not forget that if non-conformance to UN resolutions was the reason for the US intervening in the affairs of Iraq, then the US should have acted against Israel many years ago. It has consistently disregarded UN resolutions. Instead the US consistently vetoes UN resolutions even when the rest of the Security Council are unanimous. A double standard. A visit to http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html will give one an idea of the scale of this double standard. Mario replies: Tim, In the case of Israel, there is much blame to go around, but part of the double standard is from the UN. The US vetoes all UN resolutions against Israel because the resolutions never include the hostile actions by the Palestinians, only the reactions of Israel. To get into this issue you must be prepared to go back to the formation of Israel by the Brits and the UN, the early attempts by the Arabs to wipe it out, losing territory each time, the subsequent acceptance of Israel's right to exist by Arafat in the late 80s, and the continuing refusal by most Arab states to recognize the state of Israel. Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al Aqsa Brigades still don't accept Israel's right to exist. With Arafat's passing there now seems to be some movement towards a 2 state solution. If not, Israel will complete its security wall, which it should have built decades ago, and everyone will suffer, especially the peace-loving Palestinians who depend on Israel for their livelyhoods.
[Goanet]A New Muslim Political Party!
With reference to the education dept's CD on the freedom struggle my logic does imply that the atrocities committed by Hindus on Muslims in Gujrat should not be the subject of a film because tender muslim minds might begin to harbour a hatred of Hindus. Check this for better effect: If a CD on the Gujarat atrocities is shown in graphic detail to young children all over India it will only further antagonise the muslims against the Hindus. Let the informed inform me how that exercise will benefit anybody positively. Perhaps a Muslim political party could win muslim votes enmasse by making a true-to-facts Gujarat atrocities CD. Tony Martin --- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is spurious and dishonest logic. By this token, the atrocities committed by Hindus on Muslims in Gujrat should not be the subject of a film because tender muslim minds might begin to harbour a hatred of Hindus. __ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]A CIVILIZED SOCIETY DOES NOT REOPEN WOUNDS - A GT REPORT COMMENTS
I think Gabe misses the point that I am making and that is why he says: Please give us guidance on what you expect Christian Goans to do - just accept the VCD and a few days, weeks, months or years later, we can be brought to accept the yoke or taken to the slaughter house? Nowhere in my message have I even given a hint that I want to take the Christian Goans to be taken to slaughter house. The editorial in Goa is titled: A Civilized Society Does Not Reopen Wounds. The issue is whether a civilised society should change its history because some may feel hurt with the truth. And I said that the editorial does not give any indication that facts have been wrongly stated. Gabe says: I do not know, which Religion you espouse to but if you are a Hindu and a similar VCD was made which shows that the Hindus created a lot of atrocities - ala Gujarat, I am sure you would not want to be associated with this extremity! And this is exactly the point. I denounce the atrocities committed against the Muslims in Gujarat. Just as I denounce the burning of the Hindus in Godhra. And this I do not because I am a Hindu, but because I am a human being. I would like to end this message form quoting what Halur had written in context of this thread. Hindus are not total idiots, inspite of what you may think. They can distinguish between cruelty committed by Portuguese conquerors hundreds of years ago, with the bible in one hand and the sword in the other, and the present day catholic inhabitants. Sachin Phadte _ Don't know where to look for your life partner? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Trust BharatMatrimony.com
Re: [Goanet]close down national Institute of Oceanography
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not see why my (tax payer's) money should go in funding an institute such as NIO (National Institute of Oceonagraphy)if such an all important event about our ocean such as tsumani goes unpredicted by the institute. This is infinitely more important than trips to Antarctica, and growing algaes. The Indian govt. should immediately close all institutes related to oceanography and divert all funds spent in such useless endeavours to relief work. Dr. Samir Kelekar, I would expand the work of NIO to include Tsunami warnings. But then again, Indians don't like paying income tax, so maybe you are right. Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Re: A tragedia do Mar-moto: uma sugestão
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another version about the Andaman Islands... this from http://en.wikipedia.org -- which believes in a NPOV (neutral point of view ... a concept which might not be always possible to attain, but it's impresssive the way Wikipedia tries). Like all aboriginal people worldwide, those of the Andamans have been treated poorly by a succession of rulers, including post-1947 India. But to prop up this as an example of 'colonialism' -- and thus diminish the relevance of other forms of colonialism we have know -- might not make for a coherent argument --FN That said, what is the current situation in the Andamans given the recent tsunami? Looking at the map, it is pretty close to Thailand, and very apt to be almost drowned by the giant waves. Our local newspapers encircled them in red (potential victims). Has the Indian Govt done anything about surveying the damage caused providing relief to the islands? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]London: New Year's Eve Dances
Fri. 31 Dec. New Year's Eve Gala Ball - Harrow Leisure Centre, Harrow. 7.00pm to 2.00am. Music by LOW LEVEL DARK STAR. Tickets: Adults £15 before 15th December, £19 thereafter. Children: £10 under 10 years. For tickets call Hazel Rodrigues: 020-8357 6776. For a Ticket Application Form or other information, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't miss another SELL-OUT night to remember! For the flyer see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2004/Nov/issue2/Gala_Ball/index.htm Goan Association (UK) members can avail of two tickets at £13 each. Please contact - Bernie Gracias on 020 8723 1322 Fri. 31 Dec. (7pm till 12:30am). The South East Goans Sports Social Club: New Year's Eve Ball at the Woolwich Town Hall, Market Street, London, SE18. Disco by Say One Do One . Entry inc. snacks: Members £10; Guests £15. Contacts: Eusebio: 020 8304 9089; Alex: 020 8306 0974; Evelyn: 01322 433393; Chris: 01322 400732; Victor: 020 8303 5106; Bonnie: 020 8851 4677; Damaciano: 020 8316 1473 Fri. 31 Dec. North London New Years Dance, White Hart Lane school, Wood Green, London N22. From: 7:30 pm to 2:00 am. Music by Danda Cousins Nite Shade. Tickets: Adults (16 +) £12 and Children (ages 10 - 15) £7. Children under 10 (free). No Tickets at the door. Formal Dress code only. Neville 0208 807 7830, Felix 0208 482 3277 Fri 31 Dec 7.30pm till 1.45am. New Year's Eve Ball. Dress code Black Tie. Venue: Winston Churchill Hall, Pinn Way, Ruislip, Middlesex. Live Music Disco with Owen and featuring from Canada Melissa D'Souza promoting her new album. Tickets £25 with meal. Children 5 to 13 yrs £10. Contact 07808 780498 or 01895 272594. For the flyer http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/Fyler/NYE.jpg Fri: 31 Dec. New Year's Eve Dance at St Andrews Church Hall, Quadrant Road, Thornton Heath Surrey. 8pm-1am Music by Moonlight Tickets include a hot meal. Adult £10, Child 5-12 years £5. Under 5 free. Limited tickets book A.S.A.P. Contact Sarah 020 8670 3257 or Mervyn 020 8689 2970 or Lennie 020 8771 6047. Fri: 31 Dec. 8pm to 1am. Club 2004 New Years Eve Ball at Putney Leisure Centre, Dryburgh Road, Putney. SW15 1BL. Music By Nite Life. Tickets: Adults £12 Children (5-16) £6. At the Door £15. Licensed Bar. Food on Sale. Contact Sandra 020 8769 3168; Rosie 020 8644 8504; Claver 020 8672 4562; Xavier 07787 390 553. Tickets Not Guaranteed On The Night. For later events see: http://goanvoice.org.uk/forthcoming.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004
[Goanet]Re: [Goanet]Re: A tragedia do Mar-moto: uma sugestão
- Original Message - From: Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:- Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: [Goanet]Re: A tragedia do Mar-moto: uma sugestão On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:03:25 + (GMT), FERNANDO DO REGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andaman: as ilhas na Baia da Bengala que foram mais afectadas da India e onde ainda algumas ilhotas, desapareceram do mapa Fernandobab, The tragedy is bad enough The negligence of those in authority - is another . These Islands are bang NEXT to Sumatra - the site of deveastating earthquakes in the past, and yet ... NO warning systems against Sunamis were in place. What was the NIO doing? But please, Fernandobab. please do NOT place these Islands in the Bay of Bengal. That they are NOT! These Islands with a negrito population - are NEXT to Indonesia and Thailand. The first colonialists of those Islands were the Marathas in the 1700s having said that good wishes for 2005! jose RESPONSE: I have heard on the News that even if there were Tsunami warnings for those closest to the epicentre, it would have been to no avail. The Tsunami hit them within a few minutes. An example was given of a Tsunami in Japan - an alarm was raised but too late to save over 200 people. In the case of India mainland there was a 90 minute time lapse - it would have been sufficient for warnings. The Indian Govt. has now issued a statement stating that it will join the Tsunami warning system. cheers, Gabe.
[Goanet]Blessed is the man who...
Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact. George Eliot. [The daily quote email is an opt-in list supplied by theQuoteBoard.com.]
[Goanet]Tsunamic Calamity (Matthew Maavak, in dissidentvoice.org)
Mathew Maavak publishes an eclectic online journal called the Panoptic World (www.maavak.net). He is a journalist based in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and wrote this on December 28: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Dec2004/Maavak1229.htm Tsunamic Calamity A Natural Selection of Victims by Matthew Maavak www.dissidentvoice.org December 29, 2004 Chennai, India -- It was my last afternoon in Goa when fellow vacationer Ashwin Sivakumar -- who swapped an arctic Helsinki for family and suunshine -- stumbled upon news of a hurricane on the net. I didn't pay much attention and was thinking of the long, intolerable bus trip back. In my case there would be two. In retrospect, it was incredibly surreal that both of us were sitting there at the net café, enjoying the soothing sounds of the rolling waves. Western tourists could be seen browsing for traditional souvenirs. Others were flocking to the famous Calangute-Baga beach yards away for another round of sunshine. A tsunami had already claimed tens of thousands that morning, a large number of them in Chennai, situated right across on the Southeastern coast of India. No one we spoke to in Goa was aware of the incident yet. One of the net operators was confident that the patron saint of Goa, St Francis Xavier, whose mummified body I had peered at on Christmas day, would save Goa yet again. There was one problem. There was no patron saint for Chennai, where I had pitched camp since early December and was returning to my host's apartment within 36 hours. Ashwin was worried and called up his relatives there. They were ok. We went back to our usual topics of how well we haggled with the traders, his biotech project and my occupation - best termed as dreamer. There was no further thought about the matter till we reached Ashwin's home in Bangalore. That night, only when we watched the Tamil language Sun TV did we realize the magnitude of the mayhem. The images were horrific. We were shown image after image of little bodies, housewives and men wailing hysterically, mass burials with bulldozers, and a resort in Thailand or Malaysia that was being enveloped by a giant wave in a manner that was morbidly aesthetic, if only it was Hollywood. Villages were flattened, little bodies dangled unclaimed. Debris and body were in a deathly embrace. Aswin's mother was livid. They shouldn't show such images on TV. They are just kolandegele (children)! Earlier that day, we were treated to a different sight - exotic saris of every silken hue at a store located in Bangalore's trendiest shopping enclave. I purchased four of them. If there is another dimension to this tragedy, that was it. Silk saris, and people who never had, or will ever again have a chance to don one. Those tourists in Goa must have still been sunbathing, even after the news broke out. The full reality -- if there is indeed such a thing -- sunk in at night. Emails were pouring in, particularly from fellow writer Rowan Wolf enqquiring whether I was safe. My Chennai host, an American expat back in Texas for Christmas, forwarded the following alert issued by the American Consulate. Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Tiatr commentators
This is one of the many reports which were posted on tiatr and tiatrists in Kuwait - some of these tiatrists will be seen in January-February 2005 for the upcoming shows: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-February/010098.html KONKANI SHOW TIATRO TIATRIST As scheduled, Kuwait Goan Tiatristanchi Sonvstha initiated by Marcus Vaz as announced on the stage,... - Pray remember was this sonstha not formed in the first instant by Marcus Vaz as he could not take your barrage of name calling of fellow professional and award winning tiatrists. Though the show was scheduled to begin at 3.30, it finally started at 4.10. The show was attended by the capacity crowd. - Ofcourse, with over 50 artistes and musicians, the show was unique and a first time at this grand scale. The second one also promises wholesome entertainment. Hope they allow you to be amongst them. -- Before the start of the show, Derek Mendes one of the sons of the late Anthony Mendes inaugurated the photographic display of some of the dead artistes. A. Veronica Fernandes Kuwait - Now the question is: wasn't this gap consumed for the brief introductory speech, Derek Mendes' introduction to the audience, the walk-along to the display area, photos session, etc. Oh! It was just for the sake of usual jealousy that got you running to post the item. Archives of goanet.org do not lie. I timed the start at 3:38 p.m. True to tradition, a small prayer backstage by all the performing artistes must have taken 5-6 minutes. So considering this, the show did start in time. A rarity, ofcourse, considering other outfits similar presentations. Possibly its time to get a new goddial (watch). Didn't I read someone in the U.K. recommending a Titan this week on goanet? Such tiatr commentators have a lot to learn on the basics of posting such comments in a balanced manner rather than make themselves a laughing stock of the cyber community. AlmeidaG(ji) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]Re: Promoting Konkani Musical Shows and belittling tiatrists
- Why can't this fellow, A.Veronica Fernandes, expose the name of the tiatrist and the other tiatrists in question? Who is he afraid of? Promoting Konkani Musical Shows in the name of Konkani and Tiatr and belittling Konkani tiatrists. What a paradox, indeed. Just curious. AlmeidaG(ji) RE: Thank you Almeida(ji) to bring to our notice the above topic AVF please expose the names or we will believe that you are more ROSTAD Felicio Fernandes-Salmiya
[Goanet]CLOSING - Iraq/ US Election debate
Dear Goanet members: The Goanet Admin team has decided to close the discussion on the Iraq War and US Elections otherwise we are not going to see the end of it. We feel that both sides have had adequate time to debate the issue. Please send in closing comments if you so please. We will not approve posts on the subject after Dec 30th, 2004. Thank you for your cooperation, -- HERMAN CARNEIRO Goanet Admin Goanet: http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet Email: herman at goanet.org
[Goanet]Yadneshwar Nigale Wins the 2004 Goenchem Prize
We, the members of the Goenchem Prize CyberCommittee are delighted to announce that the 2004 Goenchem Prize for the promotion of public honesty, rationality and common sense is awarded to MR. YADNESHWAR NIGALE. We thank Mr. Nigale for graciously accepting the prize. Mr. Yadneshwar Nigale is an unsung hero in the fight to eradicate the harmful superstitions and irrational practices that afflict our society. He has tirelessly led the Goa Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti as its president in this courageous effort, often against strong opposition and public apathy. Among his many achievements are: The successful organization of a Scientific Awareness camp for 150 primary teachers from Ponda Taluka; effective assistance of law enforcement authorities in prosecuting godmen who exploit the public; organization of lecture/demonstrations in colleges and secondary schools to inculcate the scientific spirit, to debunk eclipse-related superstitions and to provide scientific explanations for miracles; creation of awareness about cults; and holding of public discussions on pseudo-spiritualism and on the constitutional imperative of adopting a scientific attitude in India. During the past year the Goa Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti organized a daylong seminar on the form and nature of the prospective Anti-superstition Law, and a public discussion on the question of whether this law would be anti-religious. Through such extraordinary efforts and more Mr. Nigale continues to be a champion of the rational and scientific outlook in today's Goan society. We had a very difficult choice in selecting this year's winner. The runner up this year was an equally exceptional person - Adv. Albertina Almeida. Adv. Almeida has made it her avocation to promote the welfare of the women in Goa. She has provided impressive leadership through her Bailancho Saad organization in empowering the women of Goa to be fiercely independent in making decisions or taking actions, to do it out of their personal conviction rather than have such decisions and actions be imposed on them. She is also deeply concerned about the right to information, about stopping the trafficking of women and children, and about providing legal assistance and counsel to victims of various forms of violence. Bailancho Saad under the leadership of Adv. Almeida has contributed immensely to the progress of women in Goa. We had four other outstanding nominees this year. Mr. Gurunath Kelekar who has dedicated his life to the freedom struggle, the cause of Konkani and the promotion of road safety in Goa; Mr. Floriano Lobo, a social activist who is relentless in his fight against injustice and corruption in Goa; Mr. Rajan Narayan, the fearless editor of Goan Observer who has persisted in being a strong voice of dissent in the midst of sycophancy; and Mr. D'Satish, a magician who is devoted to public health causes such as cancer and AIDS awareness. The 2004 Goenchem Prize to be presented to Mr. Nigale at a specially arranged award ceremony to be held at a later date in Goa, will consist of a citation plaque and a cash award of Rs. 13,666. Sincerely, Santosh A. Helekar On behalf of the Members of the Goenchem Prize CyberCommittee Dr. Basilio Monteiro, U.S.A. Mr. Cecil Pinto, Goa Dr. Jose Colaco, Bahamas Dr. Marina Correia-Afonso, Goa Ms. Margaret Mascarenhas, Goa Mr. Ramrao Wagh, Mumbai Mr. Rene Barreto, U.K. Dr. Samir Kelekar, Bangalore Dr. Santosh A. Helekar, U.S.A. Mr. Tariq Siddiqui, U.S.A. Mr. Valmiki Faleiro, Goa Mr. Vivian D'Souza, Goa
[Goanet]NEWS: It`s party time for corporate honchos
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?hpFlag=Ychklogin=Nautono=176820leftnm=lmnu1lselect=0leftindx=1 It`s party time for corporate honchos Reeba Zachariah / Mumbai December 30, 2004 This Friday night will see a string of business tycoons letting down their hair and boogie into the wee hours of the first day of the new year. As usual, liquor baron Vijay Mallyas party tops the list. To be hosted at the Kingfisher Villa in Goa, the bash will be attended by the whos-who of the corporate and entertainment world. Mallya, in his element after the recent strategic alliance with Scottish NewCastle in his beer business, said: 2004 has been a good year .the United Breweries stock skyrocketed from Rs 108 to Rs 575. I am looking forward for the launch of Kingfisher Airlines in 2005. Goa has always been the happening place for party animals. Chairman of Leela group of hotels Krishnan Nair will celebrate the new year eve at his property The Leela Goa. Gautam Singhania has, however, chosen to stay put in Mumbai for his new year party. Singhania, chairman and managing director of Raymond, said: Year 2005 would see us realising our vision of becoming a global player in our area of core competence. We have already established ourselves in the fabric segment and now we want to be a dominant player in the apparel sector as well. The coming year is going to be a milestone year for us at Raymond. Mumbai will also be the party destination for versatile south Indian actor Kamal Hassan, musician duo Leslie Louis and Hari Haran better known as the Colonial Cousins and model-cum-fashion choreographer Marc Robinson and his wife Waluscha who will attend the much advertised To Celebrate New Years Eve, (modelled on New Yorks Central Park) at Mumbais Grand Hyatt. A few others, however, prefer to usher in the new year quietly. For Venugopal Dhoot, chairman of the Rs 4,000 crore Videocon group and his family, the new year eve will be spent under the blessings of Lord Balaji at Tirupati. His target for the new year? We want to emerge as the largest TV glass producer in the world in 2005, from the current second ranking, said Dhoot. Amar K Deb, head honcho of Channel [V], prefers a new year of serenity with a few close friends, pitched tents, campfire and all that to go with it. Thats how he has been celebrating his new year over the last couple of years. Be it in the hills, forests or beaches he can go anywhere to get away from the madding crowd. Destination this year is undisclosed as he does not want others to follow him. For Rana Kapoor, managing director of Yes Bank, 2004, has been a challenging year which saw the fruition of his dream project of setting up a commercial bank. A lot of hard work gone into setting up the bank and family responsibilities took a back-seat. I am taking a couple of days off to make up to my family for all the lost time. I will spend the new year eve with my family. My two daughters are back in India for the new year celebrations, said an excited Kapoor. Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Finally some facts
GL responds: Hi Philip, Thanks for your input of yesterday. You seem to suggest that when the December numbers come in, the annual figures may be higher? :=)) Either way, since you are 'keeping your hand on the pulse' of revenues from tourism and especially from the two events, (SFX and IFFI) perhaps you can update us on the facts. As I said, it is always a pleasure to read some factual information on Goa. Like you say, one should be not so fast to claim success. By the same token: Is the corollary not true? Should Goans be quick in claiming failures / fiascos by individuals or the government without even asking / seeking basic information? Can Goa's news-reporters and professional-writers take a lead and make a New Year's resolution to compose fact-backed / stated opinions in cyber-Goa? This is not directed at anyone but hopefully will be the first step in a road for all of us, Goenkars. IMHO, being 'disparaging is a poor substitute for ignorance'. Regards, GL. Philip Thomas: Not so fast! The Seminar issue is dated NOVEMBER 2004. Hence the material predates IFFI/SFX. The estimate of a Rs 500 cr increase in tourist FX earnings over the average figure of previous years (not the actual for 2003-04) may be based on projected increases in tourist arrivals in Goa based perhaps on international trends etc. It would be premature to ascribe the increase in FX earnings to IFFI/SFX and conclude about good ROI from it. Gilbert Lawrence, Dec 27]: Can someone tell us why the 500 crore INCREASE in foreign exchange THIS fiscal year? And how much has translated into increased state tax receipts? This 500 crore (increase) is into Goa's local economy spent by tourists' consumers at the retail level. And of course this does not include the tourist expenditures by Indians / non-foreigners who visit Goa. They are reported / estimated to be 60% of Goa's tourists. We are told this year, IFFI and SFX exposition cost the Goa government 125 crore (75 + 50). By my calculations, and I hope the accountants come to the same conclusions, that is some pretty good 'return on investment' for native Goans. Please educate me otherwise. I am all ears.
[Goanet]Hyatt to quote rupee tariff for foreigners too
Headline: Hyatt to quote rupee tariff for foreigners too BY: GIRISH RAO Source: Economic Times. WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 29, 2004 at http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/974098.cms Full Text: BANGALORE: Leading hospitality brand Hyatt is graduating to a single currency and single tariff platform from January 1 in India for its guests - both domestic and foreign. It may be the only established five star chain to shift to single rupee tariff now. The entire three to five-star market here more or less works on a dual tariff - dollar for foreigners and rupee for Indians. Hyatt officials told ET that it is borrowing a page from the hospitality industry's international business model of quoting room rates in their local currency for all guests. It means that for all its customers Hyatt International will quote rupee tariffs in India. The brand offers around 2,000 rooms in India spread across five properties, including two in Mumbai and one each in Goa, Delhi and Mumbai. Some years back the tourism ministry sought to moot the idea of a single currency tariff under pressure from the travel trade. However, the plan could not be implemented for long since hotels opposed it strongly. Hyatt did follow a single dollar tariff (Indians would of course pay in rupees) in Delhi many years back for some time. Hyatt officials say the move is also an attempt to stop discrimination and to treat its foreign guests at par with its Indian audience. In the long run, the strategy will prove advantageous, officials said. Hyatt's move comes at a time when the hospitality business is experiencing a hitherto unheard of boom in rates and demand across all gateway cities and tourist hubs like Rajasthan, Goa and Kerala. Among the country's business centres, Bangalore is quoting some of the highest tariff in its history. The trade associations like Federation of Hotels and Restaurants Association of India have stepped up a campaign for government intervention to make land available for putting up more star and business hotels to cater to the boom. It has said about 1,00,000 more rooms are needed in three to five years to house foreign and domestic guests. This year, domestic and international tourism to India has seen strong double digit growth. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004
[Goanet]The UN's Abu Ghraib, Or Worse
From: Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [Goanet]The UN's Abu Ghraib, Or Worse Do you suppose this will provoke the same kind of outrage and press exposure as the Abu Ghraib scandal? There were calls for Rumsfeld's resignation when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, might there be similar calls for Kofi Annan's resignation? It will be interesting to watch this pan out. RESPONSE: There were calls for Rumsfeld's resignation - neither did he jump, nor was he pushed! Now the same Republicans want Kofi Annan's head. I can see the logic in this as well as Mr. Peter D'Souza. cheers, Gabe.
[Goanet]TSUNAMI - India rejects foreign aid
See story at http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/afp/20041229/wl_sthasia_afp/asiaquakeindiaaidforeign_041229092823
[Goanet]Re: A tragedia do Mar-moto: uma sugestão
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:03:25 + (GMT), FERNANDO DO REGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andaman: as ilhas na Baia da Bengala que foram mais afectadas da India e onde ainda algumas ilhotas, desapareceram do mapa Fernandobab, The tragedy is bad enough The negligence of those in authority - is another . These Islands are bang NEXT to Sumatra - the site of deveastating earthquakes in the past, and yet ... NO warning systems against Sunamis were in place. What was the NIO doing? But please, Fernandobab. please do NOT place these Islands in the Bay of Bengal. That they are NOT! These Islands with a negrito population - are NEXT to Indonesia and Thailand. The first colonialists of those Islands were the Marathas in the 1700s having said that good wishes for 2005! jose
[Goanet]Re: Seminar, Nov 2004 issue *Amchem Goem*
TO: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] George Pinto writes to Goanetters: You must be as tired as I am of having to educate Mario on this forum. He is now bombarding me with private emails even though I requested him to stop. It is unfortunate that besides his inaccurate knowledge of most matters and his mispresentation of some of my views, he continues to SPAM this list. The Delete button is getting tired. Please wish him a new hobby in the New Year. Mario replies: George, before you can presume to educate me you could use some education yourself. Generalized attacks on me are like pouring water on a duck's back, especially from people who are blissfully displaying their ignorance or bias while trying to malign me, as you are above. I'm sure most Goanetters can tell the difference. I sent you a private email because I was embarrassed with your peculiar claims that a major investigative report by a duly constituted commission of the US Government was not credible because the members of the commission were white people, without any regard to who they were as individuals or the contents of their report. I am not the only one on Goanet who has noticed your blatantly racist comment, so for you to hide behind the generalities above is a continuation of your intellectually challenged rhetoric. I would have more confidence in your education and knowledge if you had cited some of the Commission's findings, and rebutted them with facts and opinions of your own. They were not investigating capitalism, control of mid-east oil or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, all subjects you apparently think should have been in the report. Frankly, I don't think you have even read a summary of the report. Every conclusion that the 9/11 Commission reached was thoroughly researched and documented. Several brown skinned middle-east experts were interviewed and their opinions are part of the report. The complete report is available at www.senate.gov. Before continuing his rant against white Americans in general, George should read it. Maybe he will learn something. I am not holding my breath. Here are 5 examples of George's educated mentality and/or knowledge of this subject: 1. It ( the 9/11 Commission report) is written by mostly white males in the USA who understand little about the Middle East. 2. Instead, the more popular explanation - Islamic terrorism is used for a Christian audience. Islamic terrorism is code (or politically correct in certain circles) for being anti-Muslim. No mention of any Israeli terrorism is made: neither the terrorism that radical Israeli settlers practice or the state-sponsored Israeli genocide on innocent Palestinians. 3. The Middle East situation today is yesterday's colonization which has become today's neocoloninzation. It is based on white superiority, among other issues. 4. And yes, the 9-11 would have greater credibility if it had dark-skinned people on the panel - like a few people from the Middle East who are scholars there and can offer a better perspective and some former Governor or Senator from the USA. 5. Bush had to be chaperoned by Cheney. Combined, they testified for A WHOLE HOUR with pre-screened questions. The 9/11 Commission was equally comprised of Democrats and Republicans appointed by their respective parties. There were several opponents of the Bush administration on the Commission, as anyone who followed its proceedings would know. There were several middle-east scholars who were interviewed and their views documented as part of the report, as anyone who followed its proceedings would know. The commission had one task, which was to investigate everything they could about 9/11. They were tasked with only reporting what they could verify through testimony and documentation, without any political subjectivity and rhetoric. They used the term Islamist terrorism not Islamic terrorism because all 19 of the suicide attack team were renegade Muslim heretics who had cited the peaceful religion of Islam as part of their rationale for their heinous attack on mostly innocent civilians, which is prohibited by the religion of Islam. They were called terrorists because they attacked mostly innocent civilian targets, without regard to the skin color of their victims. Several brown skinned people, including hundreds of Indians, were killed. George knows little or nothing of what I have outlined above. The proof? In point 2 above he says that the commission should have referred to Israelis as terrorists. The only Israelis and Palestinians involved in 9/11 were innocent civilians, so how could the commission refer to Israelis terrorists, or Israeli settlers or even genocide on innocent Palestinians? Regarding point 5, Bush and Cheney testified with no pre-screened questions and no time limit. Commission members said that Bush answered 90% of the questions asked. George tries to insult President Bush by saying he was chaperoned by Cheney, which says more
[Goanet]Indian students win Oracle's ThinkQuest award
Indian students win Oracle's ThinkQuest award Bangalore, Dec. 29 (PTI): A website on Yoga created by a joint team of students from India and the United States has been adjudged the first place winner in the 19-and-under category of Oracle's global, educational website contest -- ThinkQuest. Ajinkya, Rahul and Sagar along with their coach Sangram Patil, all from Kolhapur, will join a group of outstanding students selected from all over the globe in three different categories, at ThinkQuest Live -- an educational conference and awards event, scheduled to be held in the US in 2005. Oracle's ThinkQuest competition, which is held twice every year, is open to teams across the globe. This time's winning websites reflect ThinkQuest's unique focus on collaborative, cross-cultural learning, featuring team members from nine countries -- Australia, Germany, India, Mexico, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Singapore, the United Kingdom and the United States, an Oracle statement said. The Indo-US winning team in the 19-and-under category, won the ThinkQuest competition for their website Yoga - The Ultimate Attainment. Coached by Sangram Patil from India and Van Truong from the US, the team, through their website, has sought to tackle misconceptions about yoga and provide an in-depth introduction to yoga and its scientific basis and its interpretation. - Forwarded by AlmeidaG(ji), www.goa-world.com/goa/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]The UN's Abu Ghraib, Or Worse
Do you suppose this will provoke the same kind of outrage and press exposure as the Abu Ghraib scandal? There were calls for Rumsfeld's resignation when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, might there be similar calls for Kofi Annan's resignation? It will be interesting to watch this pan out. PD'S *Sex for Food* The Wall Street Journal, December 29, 2004; Page A8 Two years after the charges first surfaced, Kofi Annan has finally admitted that U.N. peacekeeping troops sexually abused war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo. I am really shocked by these accusations, the United Nations Secretary-General told reporters last week. He shouldn't be. Allegations of sex crimes committed by U.N. staff and troops date back at least a decade and span operations on three continents, in places like Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Cambodia. But rather than showing the kind of zero tolerance toward sexual crimes that Mr. Annan now promises, the U.N. has treated such instances with cavalier nonchalance. In Congo, some 150 cases are under investigation. The charges range from rape, in which some victims were children, to sexual exploitation. In some cases, women and young girls have been coaxed into sex in exchange for essential food items. A French U.N. staffer was arrested for raping underage girls and taking digital pictures of them. He has been sent back home where he will stand trial. U.N. officials reportedly are worried that if these pictures and other rape videos allegedly shot by U.N. troops find their way into the media, it could become the U.N.'s Abu Ghraib. The difference, of course, is that the abuses in Iraq came quickly to light through the chain of command and were immediately prosecuted by the U.S. military. In contrast, the U.N. is investigating the cases in Congo only after much delay and even now is unwilling to name and shame the countries whose soldiers committed these crimes.
[Goanet]NOVEA VORSAK EVKAR DITNAM - ek kovita
NOVEA VORSAK EVKAR DITNAM Novea vorsak evkar ditnam Sortelea vorsacher il'li nodor marumea Jinnecho koso ami upeog kela Ek khinn bhor matxe monant golloumea Kelea ami xeva ghoribak Dila adhar mozot magteleak Ghatlam on'n bhuken vollvollteleak Udka tembo jibecher tanel'leak Dilam bhiradd ghor sodteleak Dilam nesunk vingllo asleleak Paula akantak konn nasleleak Dakoila rosto vatt chukleleak Nam Jezu nam, soglem hem Hanv visrun ghelom Hi jinnechi vatt cholot astanam Khud mojea svarta passot melom Devachea ghorant sodanch poilo Pun sumurtiche kaide pallunk nam Vatter ghorib bhikarn bhik mago Pun kotten tiche att annem ghalunk nam Rosteavelim lhan bhurgim fattik lago Hatanim khunna korun khaunk mago Pun kaliz mojem vollunk nam Him misam, tim retiram korunuim Hacher kednanch niallunk nam Pun atam novea vorsak evkar ditnam Monachem hea bodlop kortam Fattim ghalun svartiponachim chintnam Novea vorsant novem paul martam Regards, Cypriano Fernanes (Riyadh, K.S.A.)
[Goanet]CAUTION - Tsunaimi Victims Relief Fund- Donors
The moves to assist the victim of natural catastrophe is well recieved . Such moves given the colossal magnitude of the damage to life and property will definitely receive the support it deserves. This writer has been discussing this issue of assistance for the past couple of days with several good samaritans and they believe firmly that their mite in cash or kind should go directly to those whom such assistance is intended. Many also do not suscribe to the idea of compulsory deductions of a certain amount from their salaries or a days wages as they argue that in their individual capacities as members of other organisations too collectively they may end up contributing more then they intend. Further in the opinion of several persons that this writer has interacted with they state that the Gujarat Earthquake relief fund collected from donors almost for a whole year round by the previous Government at the Centre and the State Government was distributed according to political, caste, affiliations and economic profile of the victims. Far worse the amount collected from caste /community based institutions were demanded to be given only to like caste/community and none other. This was the human irony even in such natural tragedies. These were bitter experiences of those that contributed in cash or kind in the fervent hope that the poor amongst the poorest or the truly needy who have lost kith kin or were orphaned or their roof or economic holdings lost and in despair should deserve priority. Take yet another case of Latur (in Maharashtra) earthquake, they say it was the same formula and to prove the point there was an instance where this writer himself learnt of a Headmaster of a prominent school in South Goa hailing from Latur (the Constituency of the present Union Home Minister Mr Shivraj Patil of the Indian National Congress Party ) who while in Goa recieved large donations as an earthquake victim enough to rebuild a bungalow. Unfortunately he too faded away a year after occupying the same post retirement. Yet another shocking instance was in Orissa floods where the non Brahmins were made to atone for their sins by offering prayers to the Brahmins (who in India have others believe that they are incarnates of God Almighty on Earth and other lower castes must pay obeisance to them and succumb to their dicatates right or wrong ) as the Brahmins held their sins responsible for Gods wrath (cyclone and floods) on humankind. How can one expect the donations to reach such persons if they are blamed for the tragedy. There have been instances where the district administration has been lethargic when it comes to people of a certain low caste being affected. Unlike Goa where the Primeiro Bairro around the Churches or Baixo areas near the coastline are invariably are inhabited by the upper and lower caste, in places elsewhere in India this caste and religion based community wise habitation is predominant and water tight. For a low caste to drink from a well of the upercaste is a mortal sin. Or the shadow of the lower caste following on an upper caste is still practiced in several states in India . Little wonder then how these donations suffer. And in such a situation where caste and communal configurations are predominant in the Indian psyche and where merit is by birth rather than ones worth, and the Dravidian states follow this in letter and spirit there is a demand that this time there should be caution excercised in both the collection and distribution of donations. They also state that the numbers of dead or missing or the damage to property are inflated by respective governments in power only to extract their pound of flesh (money ) from the Centre in the name of natural calamity and siphon it either to party coffers or for political or individual purposes. Unfortunately due to rapid decompositon of bodies the mass cremations and burials necessitated to avoid an epidemic there is no recorded evidence of the persons actually killed and it may take some time for realisation to dawn on the near accurate figure of those dead or missing. The unrecorded deaths and missing persons could throw up a legal fiction depriving the needy of funds. Therefore rather than leave the Government and the bureaucracy to distribute the funds they suggest a s safe way out. Let the list of those dead missing and their dependants besides personal property both immovable and movable for each ward down in a Village Panachayat Municipality or Corporation be put up by the Government authorities. The Circle Inspectors the Aval Karkums and Mamlatdar are competent to make out these lists ward and Saza wise . Once this data is ratified by the local District Magistrate/Collector then the donors could be given the lists of each ward in a Village Panchayat Municipality or Municipal Corporation consisting of and the donors could directly distribute the amount to the donee by opening savings or bank
[Goanet]Goa Governor does a jig while State mourns
Hypocrisy is the inborn character that distinguishes Indians from others. Take this case. The State Government issued a notification declaring seven days State mourning as a mark of respect for the demised ex Prime Minister of India late Mr P V Narasimha Rao the first non Nehru dynasty PM and who completed five years term in office and was better know as Father of LPG -- Liberalisation Privatisation and Globalisation since early 1991 when radical reforms were introduced. The seven days mourning commencing from 23rd December, 2004 implying no government celebrations will end only on 30th December, 2004 Yet newspapers in Goa featured prominently a photograph showing the Governor of Goa a Constitutional figure head , a Catholic native of the seven sisters , North Eastern State of Nagaland a Mr S C Jamir, doing a brief jig with spouse in tow on the dance floor at the inaugural session of the 65 hrs non stop dancing party where 31 contestants will dance non stop to vy for a place in the Guiness World Book of Records at the Radisson Resort in Varca Salcete Goa until New Years day. True this was a non Government event but could a constitutional head belittle the State mourning. The Governor Mr S C Jamir ironically also announced publicly to do away with the New Years eve celebration in view of the Tsunami tragedy that has affected South Indian States. How could then the Governor adopt a dual stand one wonders? GODFREY J I GONSALVES Borda Margao Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
Re: [Goanet] Cheney likes Chinese
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who reads your posts can see that it is you who show little decency or civility, while whining about others. I do not feel the need to respond to anything in the above post because it contains nothing of substance in it. Hopefully, this will be the end of this discussion with Mr. Mario Goveia. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Re: Seminar, Nov 2004 issue *Amchem Goem*
Rene, I receive endless material via Goanet which I read selectively. Consequently, a lot is unread and discarded at the touch of a button under MY control i.e. not under somebody else's control. Thus, I would never support the view, implicit in your post, that some material normally received on Goanet should face a form of censorship even if the discussion seems endless at times. Clearly, one person's meat is another person's poison, but such is life and the silence from 7000 odd Goanetters not responding to your specifiic view is surely an answer in itself! Therefore, please let us have inclusionary persuasion among Goanetters, and not exclusionary practice under any pretext even if this were possible. One fear I have, but whether warranted or not, I do not know, is that the 'confining agenda' for Goanet you seem to propose, could kill off Goanet's vibrancy. However, I entirely accept that your suggestions for more specifiic Goan newsworthy type of items are right, and hopefully, further suggestions will be added to your list. Cordially, Cornel
Re: [Goanet]RE: A CIVILIZED SOCIETY DOES NOT REOPEN WOUNDS - A GT REPORT COMMENTS
--- D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not write history from the beginning? We should know how the earlier inhabitants in Goa lived. Afonso de Albuquerque stopped the practice of Sati in Goa. Was this fact made known to the general public? The Portuguese introduced S. American goodies such as chillies and tomatoes which are the mainstay of many an Indian dish (let alone the variety of Goan dishes), besides fruits like chikoos and pineapples as well as grafting methods that have given us such a rich variety of mangoes. Were these facts made known to the general public? The Portuguese introduced a unique social environment the likes of which do not exist in the rest of India, which has made Goa all the more attractive to the European/American tourist. Was this fact depicted anywhere in the VCD? Was the VCD only meant to depict the evils perpertrated by the Portuguese on Goans? What about the evils perpertrated by India on post-liberation Goa? They didn't exist? Don't they exist even today? Such as giving back a measly fraction of a percent of taxes collected, for Goa's development? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Dec 28, 2004!
Hello Goanetters Is it coincidence that these two articles came on the same day? Yes , what Bosco and Domnic says is true, its time to move forward, if not we will lag so behind, so behind that even Bihar will beat us. The crab mentality that our leaders have, who are only interested in the chair and their own pockets will ruin us completely. Time to wake up. Time to know what is right and what is wrong. And time to move Forward. Cheers Jerry From: domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Dec 28, 2004! ¡°Zo konn fuddem pollenam to fattim urta.¡± (He, who does not look ahead, remains behind.) From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]OPINION: Editorial Herald - 28Dec04 LET'S GO FORWARD Does Goa want to go ahead or backward? Does Goa want to disintegrate because of some hidden agenda or does it want to rise above the rest of India. Consider the controversial Department of Education CD, which has just been released and is raising a ruckus all over the State. What is hypocritical of the entire CD is only one sided and does not show the positive side of the community and the country? Guaranteed Portugal, when it took over Goa did commit many grave mistakes but to keep harping on these mistakes shows a lack of foresight.
[Goanet]Re: Stirring Communal Hatred - By: Dr. Francisco Colaco - Comments
STIRRING COMMUNAL HATRED (Herald 28 Dec, 2004) By: Dr. Francisco Colaco, Margao I dread at the way things are going on in Goa and thereby fear for our children and grand-children. If the RSS is allowed to have its way we, the minorities, will soon be decimated. Goa will be left in the hands of gravediggers who will have nothing else to gloss over except the morbid pleasure of gloating over one's prey. The CD (under discussion these days) was conceived finalized long back, long after Manohar Parrikar took over, if my memory serves me right. More or less at that time the Vidya Prabhodini SSC marks scandal (which was hushed up) also had surfaced. That the CD was demeaning to genuine freedom fighters (not the neo-RSS heroes) and, above all, communally charged, became apparent even then. Due to adverse criticism at the time it was kept apparently on the back burner. And every one must have thought it had sunk into oblivion. But for the RSS fanatics and their zealot leader it is always one step back, two forward, for the kill. Now that we have seen what the CD is all about, it is necessary that everyone speaks out fearlessly (not only the Church!), Me, you, Mathany, Felipe Neri, each and every freedom fighter worth his salt, all right-thinking members of the majority community, etc. If we are to prevent Goa from being divided into pieces then we must act now. If necessary, President's rule must be ushered in. This is simply inciting to communal hatred and divisiveness and must not be tolerated. COMMENTS: I feel some warmth in my heart that someone else, besides me, has felt that the this Parrikar government must be dismissed and President's rule brought in. But at the same time, I do not second the good doctor on: if RSS is allowed to have its way, the minorities (read Christians) will soon be decimated. No chance- Niente. On the contrary I am optimistic that the RSS in Goa as well as the RSS as an organization as a whole will be extinct, sooner than later, and of its own doing. Manohar Parrikar, as the defacto RSS chief of Goa, has played his last card, very wrongly, through this CD affair. And that happens when one is surrounded by flattering chamchas and rats with pea brains, just like the peacock being surrounded by cuckoos. Manohar Parrikar extended his peacock feathers after the IFFI and basked in enough glory, that he forgot to knot his belt tight enough. In the bargain he has let his pants slide down with this most sensitive bomb, the bomb that will blow him to kingdom come. After all, we must remember that Goans are no fools that they may be led by other conceited ideological fools like Togadia, Advani, Modi and even Vajpayee. When I say Goans, I do not mean the Catholics or the Christians and the Muslims. By Goans, I mean our own Goan Hindu brethren. Who was it that saved Goa's merger with Maharashtra? Our mai-bhass Konkani?. Catholics??. I have more regards to the consciousness and the intelligence of our Hindu Goan bretheren than the Catholics of Goa. A few rotten apples who have lost their sense of direction may be dancing with Manohar Parrikar and company, guys like Prakashchandra Shirodkar, the former Director of Archieves, but they will have to wind up that dance and run for their lives. For the RSS bigots must realize, or will someone whisper into their ears that ideological fundas take roots over a full stomach??. We have surpassed the divide and rule of the British to the larger extent and the Portuguese to a lesser extent. And this baseless RSS corrupt and bigoted machinations will never take roots in the Goan community as a whole. It must be remembered that once a leaf becomes yellow with age, it ultimately falls to join others on the ground while millions of green one are having a good hearty laugh at its descent. Manohar Parrikar, sir, rest assured your time is close at hand to take the dive. But please be informed that along with the millions of greens who will be showing their teeth, there will be most of your close chamchas and pea brained rats who will not only be having a good laugh but will be doubling up with mirth. As for Prakashchandra Shirodkar, the guy, who as the Director of Archieves, rushes to the Bishop's Palace on an altogether annonimous call, and expect Goans to believe him, must have polished RSS marbles in his head. Who is he trying to fool with his lenghty article in the GT? (29 Dec,2004). Cheers Floriano goasuraj
[Goanet]FOCUS: Confessions of an ex-expatriate - by V.M. De Malar
It's that time of the year again. The two weeks when Goa suddenly becomes the place where everyone wants to be, when revelry seems to stretch end-to-end. It's also the time when Goans abroad miss home the most, when the mind's eye returns unerringly to what has been left behind. This week, in Canada, bebincas are being made in high-powered gas ovens, but those who eat it will sigh sorrowfully and praise those made without such aids. Right now, in Australia, a Goan has pulled out a precious bottle of feni that had been hidden away for years. It tastes bittersweet, like a draught of pure exile by those who forgot to make travel plans for Goa this year. And in the Gulf countries, scores of young men are counting their days of work like currency, calculating when the pay-off will amount to a trip back home. How do I know all this? Well, I was once one of them. But no longer. So this is a brief diary entry from a proud ex-expatriate. I too have spent hours on the phone trying to get my share of the end-of-the-year feeling from Goa. I too have scrambled through recipe books, and sent frantic emails, trying to recreate a holiday sweet. And I too have toiled at the stove in a wintry place very far away, trying in vain to capture just a single taste that could satisfy the yearnings. I see them all come back now, just as I used to. They walk the by-lanes of the old vaddos so eagerly, often with a reluctant new generation in tow. The rafters of houses that slumber quietly for 50 weeks of the year suddenly resound with accents usually native to North London and New Jersey, Queensland and Dar es Salaam. And every where there are streams of children running, running, climbing, getting acquainted with cousins and relatives who they only get to see once in a while. I had the same look in my eyes as the children. I too hated to leave at the end of my trip. I too wondered why we had to say goodbye to the fields, the endless beaches, the easy-going family members, the cashew trees and cattle egrets. If all this was in Goa then my conviction was that this was clearly where we belonged. I too felt the same annual anguish as the parents who had to take their children back from this beloved place to lands where life can be considerably less appealing. The migrant's life comes with significant rewards but nothing quite makes up for what is irreplaceable at any cost. At this time of year, when the imagination turns to thoughts of resolution and friendship and family, the expatriates always finds that his world again revolves around the axis at home in Goa. And how that home has changed. Economic liberalization has filled the shops with precisely the kind of goods that used to be prized as rare gifts from abroad. The youth here watch the same TV shows (with more channels) as elsewhere and idolize the same universally popular athletes and singers. But they generally speak more languages and are far more resourceful, polite and respectful than our cultural orphans raised abroad. The expatriate thus finds old assumptions turned on their head. Money flows out of the stock markets of the West and into the Indian bourses. The rupee gains in value every week against the dollar. Thousands of Britons and Germans and other outsiders decide that they'd rather live in Goa most of the year and resurrect crumbling village houses to former glory. And as India sustains real economic growth, this state is consistently ranked the best place to live in the whole country. Some of that news can provide solace to those who are leaving their homeland again after this brief holiday interlude. Perhaps we've seen the beginning of a shift in 2004, and behind all those newly resident Westerners lurks a wave of our own. It has happened in other parts of India, and it can and should happen here too. Take it from me, the best part of being an expatriate is when you extricate yourself and return home. The above article appeared in the December 29, 2004 edition of the Herald, Goa. --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Dec 28, 2004!
Hello Goanetters Is it coincidence that these two articles came on the same day? Yes , what Bosco and Domnic says is true, its time to move forward, if not we will lag so behind, so behind that even Bihar will beat us. The crab mentality that our leaders have, who are only interested in the chair and their own pockets will ruin us completely. Time to wake up. Time to know what is right and what is wrong. And time to move Forward. Cheers Jerry Message: 5 From: domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:57:17 ÆÜ Subject: [Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Dec 28, 2004! Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org ¡°Zo konn fuddem pollenam to fattim urta.¡± (He, who does not look ahead, remains behind.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Message: 6 To: goanet@goanet.org From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:25:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Goanet]OPINION: Editorial Herald - 28Dec04 Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org LET'S GO FORWARD Does Goa want to go ahead or backward? Does Goa want to disintegrate because of some hidden agenda or does it want to rise above the rest of India. Consider the controversial Department of Education CD, which has just been released and is raising a ruckus all over the State. What is hypocritical of the entire CD is only one sided and does not show the positive side of the community and the country? Guaranteed Portugal, when it took over Goa did commit many grave mistakes but to keep harping on these mistakes shows a lack of foresight. Yes, there was intolerance toward the followers of other religions. And agreed there were 40 armed revolts in Goa, which were put down with a heavy hand. But by rehashing the gory details of the past what is Goa trying to achieve - progression or regression by creating divisions of hatred in Goan soceity. No doubt Goa has progressed on its own and compared to the situation under Portuguese rule, Goa has now seen a high level of social development - as reflected by its high literacy, low birth rate, improved health care, and educational facilities. But let us not forget that the Portuguese have contributed something, which has made Goa stand out from the rest of the country? How come everyone has forgotten about the Uniform Civil Code, which is applicable to all communities irrespective of religion? How convenient it is that people have forgotten the communidade land system, which sustained villages? How come people have forgotten the low rates of law and order then? There are many other aspects, which have been conveniently forgotten, and to rake up certain issues is hypocritical and wrong. Perhaps the only logic behind recreating such images is maybe to fuel somebody's perverted agenda. An agenda, which began in early 1999 with new claims on churches, supposedly old temples, must now be taken over by the RSS. It does not matter to the Sangh Parivar that India had, in 1962, successfully liberated Goa from the Portuguese. In the Sangh Parivar's lore, Goa still remains unliberated because it retains signs of Christianity and a very big number of Goans are Christians by faith. And before we start labeling communities let us just consider one thing - it was the Portuguese who gave us western style buildings and culture. It was the Portuguese who gave Goa an ambience, which is similar to Cannes. And it is because of this atmosphere, people voted in favour of IFFI, of which the credit is going to others not the people who brought in the ambience. So let us not be hypocritical and close our eyes. Let Goa progress, by not creating divisions, and do not distribute CDs which will make Goa regress _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]TRIBUTE: A gentleman for all seasons - by Basilio Monteiro
Amidst the glowing coarseness of the society, civility, gentleness, and soliticiousness are seen as weakness, and these virtues are on the wane. Unfortunately, even the church has not been spared of the disease of coarseness. Maybe it is a disease of the postmodern society where rugged individualism is expressed ruggedly. Every now and then we come across individuals, increasing fewer and far in between, who epitomize gentility, civility and soliticiousness, and one wants to hold onto them. My friend Olavo Velho Pereira, was a multi-talented individual who shared himself with whomsoever in a most generous manner; he was quintessential delicado and for whom delicadeza came as natural as breathing. The Portuguese word delicadeza is very much part of our Goan idiom. He was a fine human being who did not know not to respect the other. We can remember this gentle departed soul and celebrate his life in ways unimaginable. He was rich in talents, but his wealth was his generosity. People will honor him for being a fine priest with a heart of the servant, as prophet Isaiah would characterize a priest, who simply delighted in serving and by being of service. I want to remember and honor him as a fine human being who traveled the increasingly less traveled road of nobleness. Fr. Olavo Velho Pereira was an example of the best of humanity, and the best of the Catholic Church. He was a self-taught man in almost every aspect of his life. As a prolific and accomplished artist, without any formal training, he has left his imprint in every area of church life. His self-nourished singing talent endeared him to the young and old. Whether it was catechetical assignment, youth-ministry or communication responsibilities, he embraced them with the zeal of a novice, self-teaching all that he needed to know and excelling in everything he did both for the church and for the society. As a gifted speaker, both in substance and presentation, he understood the art of communication. As a point man of the Archdiocese he clearly understood that he was the public face between the church and society, that he was facilitating a social and civil discourse between church and the state, between and among various faith communities. He was friendly, prudent, judicious, diplomatic, scholarly and above all a person of intellectual and personal integrity. He understood that as a spokesperson of the Church of Goa, he was the meeting point between the Church and the secular world; a responsibikity and a burden he was clearly aware of. He leaves a marvelous legacy behind: he showed just how high a human spirit could soar the heights of nobility. Olavo was a noble and virtuous man, who belonged to the aristocracy of humanity. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote very eloquently that captures the spirit of Olavo: To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded. And Olavo Velho Pereira succeeded. The words of an anonymous poet would speak for the wishes of Olavo as I say farewell to my friend with whom I will miss having massala dossa at Hotel Kamat near the Panaji Church Sqaure. When I come to the end of the road, and the sun has set me free, I want no rites in a gloom-filled room. Why cry for a soul set free. Miss me a little, but not too long, And not with your head bowed low. Remember the love that we once shared Miss me but let me go. For this is a journey that we all must take, and each must go alone. It is all part of the Master's plan, a step on the road to home, When you are lonely and sick of heart Go to the friends we know And bury your sorrows in doing good deeds. Miss me, but let me go The above appeared in the Herald dated December 27, 2004 --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]Airlines News: New Budget Airline (India Domestic) 'Kingfisher Airlines' Starting soon..
Likely to start from April next year.. -30 Airbus Aircraft ordered.(174 seaters) -The Airline will be modelled after the US carrier 'JetBlue' -It will be low-cost operation but the aircraft will have frills -Flight attendants would be 'Fashion Models' Vow!! - e-ticketing, online booking etc -Just one class i.e. no FC or BC -Every seat will have individual TVs - Fares would be 25% cheaper than Jet Airways i.e. around Rs.2625 GOA-BOM (about Rs.3500 by JA) Vijay Mallya, Chairman, UB Group, has hit the headlines for inking some major business deals. For starters, UK's Scottish Newcastle bought a 37.5 per cent stake in United Breweries Limited for Rs 940 crore (Rs 9.40 billion). UB Group's IT solutions company also acquired a couple of IT consulting services companies in the US. That's not all. Mallya signed a deal with Airbus to acquire 14 A-320s for his Kingfisher Airlines to be launched in April. The maverick Member of Parliament (Janta Dal Secular) also introduced the third edition of the much-coveted swimwear calendar. Source; Various (Rediff, TOI etc) = for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ for SFX Expo cheap Goa flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa/ Church official web site on SFX Expo..(mass timings, facilities, etc) http://www.archgoadaman.org/Dioceses/SFX/index.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet]Re: Seminar, Nov 2004 issue *Amchem Goem*
I was surprised that NOT ONE of all the 7000 plus supported my call for the end of this on going unproductive discussions about a month ago. We have no one else but ourselves to be blamed , by participating in these discussions ..we have encouraged and prolonged of these discussions. Ignore them and these discussions will die a natural death. I believe that it is time for the 7000 plus Goans world wide have their say , that is if they feel that such irrelevant discussions should be stopped. Or may be that they would like to see these discussions to continue : - ) Its time that the Cyber Goans on Goa net agree to some sort of * aims and objectives * for this Cyber Goan Community. My suggestions. Use the Goan Forums to discuss matter relating Goan related issues , support GOOD Goan projects. Work on Goanlinks , encourage and support Goan Local Voluntary projects ie Primary Health Centers , encourage Schools in Goa TWINING with schools abroad. I am sure many of you will have your own thoughts , please do add them if your TIME permits. I am sure some one would be in a better position to put these thoughts in a more understandable format ! just my simple thoughts..for the coming 2005 ! rene --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, You must be as tired as I am of having to educate Mario on this forum. He is now bombarding me with private emails even though I requested him to stop. It is unfortunate that besides his inaccurate knowledge of most matters and his mispresentation of some of my views, he continues to SPAM this list. The Delete button is getting tired. Please wish him a new hobby in the New Year. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is blatant reverse racism pure and simple. You do not understand reverse racism if you equate what I say with it. etc., etc. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]CALLING all VASCOKARS , present anwhere in Goa
0 CALLING all VASCOKARS , present in Goa. 0 Dear members, The meet up is confirmed for the 30th of Dec 2004, at the Flintstone Rest. Chicalim-Airport-Vasco junction. time : 6:15 pm Pls. confirm your presence for the meet up by calling up Adolph on 9822158521 at the earliest!!! Regards, Levina 000
[Goanet]RE: GFA slips up (PTI)
It's a healthy start to have paramedic and ambulance on standby during soccer tournaments. All crowded activities such as fetes, competitions and religious ceremonies should have medical personnel and ambulances in its vicinity to take care of emergencies. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait ___ From: Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] MARGAO, Dec. 28. =97 The Goa Football Association has not really learnt a= lesson from the tragic on-field death of Dempo striker Cristiano Junior,= Ten minutes into the match, the goalkeeper of Mundvel Sports Club, Alex, = and a ABC Benaulim Sports Club midfielder went in for an aerial ball. It = is believed that the midfielder=92s elbow hit Alex on the chest, leaving = him unconscious on the ground for nearly five minutes. A GFA official admitted that Sunday=92s incident was an eye opener. He sa= id the association should arrange for medical requirements during all the= GFA leagues matches. =93We spend quite an amount on the referees and the= match commissioners to supervise a match. Requisitioning the services of= a doctor would not make much difference,=94 he said.=20
[Goanet]URGENT FROM ALL INDIA CATHOLIC UNION
For favour of sharing/publication via yr net.Chris Fernandes All India Catholic union Founded 1919, Registered under Societies Registration Act 1860. Representing the Catholic Laity of India through 120 Diocesan, units nation-wide Administrative Office: DTC Building 3(superscript: rd) Floor, EDC Complex, Patto, Panaji, Goa 403001 India Phone: 01-932 2438156 Fax: 91 832 2438151 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National President: Dr. John Dayal National Vice President: Mr. Dolphy D'Souza Secretary General: Mr. Elias Vas Treasurer: Mr. Eugene Gonsalves PRESS STATEMENT All India Catholic Union and The Bombay Catholic Sabha gear up for Operation Tsunami Relief Work. The All India Catholic Union [AICU ] has urged each of the Diocesan Units where the tragedy has struck with a vengeance to set-up a task force to co-ordinate the relief work. It has also alerted the rest of the Units all over the country to help raise resources for this calamnity. This will be done in close collaboration with the Catholic Bishops Conference of India [CBCI], Caritas and the local Diocesan efforts. At the Mumbay level, The Bombay Catholic Sabha [BCS] has already extended its whole hearted support to the Archbishop of Bombay, Cardinal Ivan Dias and collaborate with the Centre for Social Action. Shri Lavy D'costa , Secretary General of the BCS has already met with Rev. Fr. Rocky Banz , Director , Centre for Social Action to discuss the ways and means to work on this relief programme. The BCS has already alerted its Units and urged its members to put their whole heart and soul in this campaign which is the need of the hour. Mumbai has always shown the way in reaching out to any calamity with speed and generosity. We therefore appeal to all wellwishers to have a low key New Year celebrations and contribute to the relief fund. You are kindly requested to give due publicity to this press note in your esteemed newspaper. Thank you. Best Regards, Dolphy D'souza National Vice-President - All India Catholic Union Vice-President Spokesman-The Bombay Catholic Sahbha AICU Vice-President's address for personal correspondence: 43. Kalina, Behind Kalina Police Chowky, Hotel Viswashanti, Santacruz [e], Mumbai: 400 029. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 26665447 / 26662585/ Mobile9820226227. Disclaimer : This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by any one who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that MOSt is unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmission and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this messages are those of the individual sender and does not bind MOSt unless the sender does so expressly with due authority with MOSt. Before Opening any attachment please check them for viruses and defects.
[Goanet]Except the Gulf...
Govt of India has decided Indian private airline operators to fly overseas, except the Gulf, news just being announced here says. Any idea why except the Gulf? Is it because this is a lucrative route for the government-run carriers? FN Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://fredericknoronha.stumbleupon.com http://fn-floss.notlong.com Avoid Word/PowerPoint: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
[Goanet]CYBERMATRIMONIALS -- Canada, Mumbai, US, Goa, etc (Dec 29, 2004)
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[Goanet]RE: Finally some facts
We need to accept that a whole lot of statistics churned out of Goa are based on wishful thinking. ... Earnings from tourism, in an economy which has so much under-reporting, untaxed incomes and a grey-market economy, is speculative at best or a gross exaggeration [Frederick Noronha, Dec 28] If this is so then the government of Goa is flying blind. Its instrument panel on the Goan economy is wonky. It cannot really plan to do this or that including running IFFI for tourism and making Goa an entertainment hub It is flying by the seat of its pants and we have to hope fervently that no inadvertent contact will be made with the ground unexpectedly!
[Goanet]RE: A CIVILIZED SOCIETY DOES NOT REOPEN WOUNDS - A GT REPORT COMMENTS
Why not write history from the beginning? We should know how the earlier inhabitants in Goa lived. Before and during Stone Age were they cannibals? Did any surrounding clans enforce their will? Any atrocities committed by dominating clans? It is very convenient to write history of Portuguese rule. What about the rulers before Portuguese? Did they commit atrocities? All the answers to above questions will definitely put history of Goa in right perspective and enlighten the young minds of school children. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait _ From: Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:- I would like to respectfully disagree with the tone of the editorial in Gomantak Times. History has to be narrated the way it is, and it should not be falsified because some group may find it uncomfortable. The atrocities committed by the Portuguese in Goa, and many other places in the world, did happen. Not talking about them in fact makes things worse as far as the memory of the sufferers is concerned. In the editorial, a question is posed as follows: Are scenes of Nazi brutality shown to young Jews? The answer is: No, it is shown not only to the young Jews, but also to all the people, Jews and non-Jews, old and young. And there is a huge holocaust museum where people can see the brutality. RESPONSE: Dear Sachin Phadte, I am not in Goa and have not seen the VCD nor had an expose about it. From what I can garner, it is not the fact that the Portuguese may have butchered our fore parents. It is about the fact that this VCD is clearly out to create a communal divide! I do not know, which Religion you espouse to but if you are a Hindu and a similar VCD was made which shows that the Hindus created a lot of atrocities - ala Gujerat, I am sure you would not want to be associated with this extremity! If the Christians were a majority and we prepetrated the same sort of proprganda on you, the whole lot of you would be outraged. It abhors us all, if we are to believe that we (Christian Goans) were converted at the point of the sword. So what would you have us do? We should all renounce Christianity and return to the Mother faith - Hinduism - and may be some of us were Muslims before that and some, from other Religions before Hinduism took hold of Goa. Please give us guidance on what you expect Christian Goans to do - just accept the VCD and a few days, weeks, months or years later, we can be brought to accept the yoke or taken to the slaughter house? Cheers, Gabe.
[Goanet]GoanetReader-Diaspora -- Scram From Kenya
SCRAM FROM KENYA -- TELLING THE STORY FROM DIVERGENT PERSPECTIVES James Franks of Fitzroy House 10 High Street Lewes BN7 2AD 01273 472962 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] recently released a book titled 'Scram from Kenya'. He says: The book is concerned just with the transition of Kenya from colony to republic during the period 1946-63. Thanks to Mervyn Maciel for bringing this book to attention on Goanet. Below is Franks' introduction to the book, which might be of interest to Goan expats with a 'Kenya connection': In 1989 Eliud Waweru, our Kikuyu driver in Kenya, shared with us his experiences and copies of Daily Nation. One issue of the newspaper contained an article about veteran Mau Mau leader Mwariama and his execution of a British soldier. It was Eliud who suggested that an objective and balanced account of the post-war years leading to Kenya's independence had yet to be written. 'Scram from Kenya!' is an attempt to fill the gap he saw. 'Scram from Kenya -- from colony to republic' is intended for readers in Britain, Kenya and elsewhere interested in the end of colonial power and the birth of a republic as experienced by people living in Kenya or were involved in the dramatically unfolding story. It provides core-reading, a record of events, rather than a scholar's analysis and is the sequel to Kenya; the colonial years, which explores developments, (outlined in the beginning of this book) from 1895, when Kenya became a British protectorate, until 1946 when the Second World War came to an end and Jomo Kenyatta, a potential leader of an independent republic, returned home to Kenya from England. The Kenyan experience can be viewed as a microcosm in a single colony of the end of the British Empire. In a speech made at a Conference of All-African People in December 1958 Tom Mboya, one of the foremost Kenyan black African leaders, called for solidarity and urged delegates; tell these colonial nations -- your time is past, Africa must be free, scram from Africa. Five years later Britain did, indeed, scram from the colony and Kenya gained its independence. A superficial perusal of the Sources section of the book indicates that there is no shortage of books about Kenya. This account draws on published materials, but it also includes hitherto unpublished accounts of some 60 people, black, brown and white who were involved in these momentous events. Audio-taped interviews, biographies, diaries, contemporary correspondence and documents are used to construct an account of significant happenings in forest, farm, Nairobi streets and political chamber. Two aims have been uppermost in the mind whilst writing. First, that people, all too frequently in conflict, should be at the centre of the story. Secondly, that all sides should be presented in a balanced account. So it is, for example, that conflict in the forest draws on accounts by people such as Njama, Wachanga and Mwariama for Mau Mau and Campbell and Kitson for the British military. Nellie Grant, Joan Scott and others provide the white farmers' perspective. On the political front Odinga, Mboya, Kaggia, Blundell, Baring and Mitchell, to mention just a few names, provide views of political developments while the Indian/Asian community and Administration are also represented. Some contributors, most of those mentioned above and others, provide strands which are unbroken for years on end and are central to the plot, others provide ephemeral local colour. The index should help in tracing strands. In the introduction to his autobiography one of the Mau Mau leaders in the forest suggests that another leader wrote about events as he would have liked them to be rather than as they were. All writers have their own perspective and apply their own gloss, none is completely objective or impartial. Memories are notoriously unreliable and some times people do not tell the truth. Most have a case to make and interviewees tend to say what they think the researcher wishes to hear. Readers should continually note the source and draw their own conclusions. Although 'Scram from Kenya!' is concerned principally with the struggles to bring about change from colony to republic, the opening chapter paints the background against which the change may be understood. The epilogue attempts to draw together the wealth of material researched and present questions, hypotheses and assessments. References and footnotes are given after the epilogue. The Sources and Acknowledgements sections indicate the breadth and scope of available information for research, by no means all of it used in this text. -- James Franks 'Scram from Kenya -- From Colony to Republic 1946-63' can be ordered from James Franks, Fitzroy House, 10 High Street, Lewes, England, BN7 2AD (Tel/fax 01273 472962, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- priced UKP 18 per copy plus pp within US UKP 4.50, Europe UKP 6, outside Europe UKP 10. Paperback UKP 14 plus postage. Please state if you wish copy/ies to be
[Goanet]Re: Seminar, Nov 2004 issue *Amchem Goem*
Folks, You must be as tired as I am of having to educate Mario on this forum. He is now bombarding me with private emails even though I requested him to stop. It is unfortunate that besides his inaccurate knowledge of most matters and his mispresentation of some of my views, he continues to SPAM this list. The Delete button is getting tired. Please wish him a new hobby in the New Year. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is blatant reverse racism pure and simple. You do not understand reverse racism if you equate what I say with it. etc., etc.
Re: [Goanet]Tariq on Insourcing
TO: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tariq writes: You still have not understood my argument. When Honda set up a factory in the US, it did not close down a plant in Japan. Moreover, the product was meant for the US and not for the Japanese market. To help you understand better, I have no problem if GM sets up a factory in China and builds cars there for the local Chinese market. I would have a problem if GM sets up a factory in China only to build cars for export to the US and closes down factories here at the same time. There is also another aspect here that you should consider. If you outsource a certain part of your business process because you need to have your employees concentrate on other process to generate more revenue, that would also be acceptable. Mario asks incredulously: I would have a problem if GM sets up a factory in China... (?) I hate to let reality get in the way of your preferences, but, if you believe in the free enterprise system, why would you have any problem with anything a private company does, unless you own a piece of the company, in which case you can excercise your right to express your opinion to the management, or sell your stock? Companies locate their plants for all kinds of reasons, mostly to stay competitive and increase profits. The US unemployment rate is expected to trend downwards from the current 5.4% towards the 5% range, which is approaching full-employment in this country.
Re: [Goanet]Saddam supporters getting desperate
TO: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have written: If my comment were irrelevant, then you would not have bothered to reply to each and every post of mine. But from your response and continuing effort to peddle lies nearly 2 years after the invasion of Iraq points to relevance of this topic. The desperation is on your end, that you still continue to lie 2 years after the fact. Mario replies: Your pro-Saddam and anti-Iraqi-liberation propaganda needs to be pointed out by someone. There is no way you can continue to twist every detail about why the Iraqi action is taking place and then turn around and claim that you support the liberation of Iraq. Sending me the opinions of others is intellectually lazy. You and Santosh have been reduced to simply repeating assertions that are devoid of history, context or perspective. The irrevelence of your assertions is shown by the fact that they are not being used in anything positive that is actually going on in Iraq, though the anti-democracy insurgents will derive much moral support from your comments. There is no desperation at my end at all, because events are progressing in line with my point-of-view, and the Iraqis are going to get their freedom and democracy in spite of the propaganda of you and people like you. Anyone who reads your repetitive posts can tell that it is you and Santosh who are getting more hysterical and desperate as your opinions diverge from actual events, so you cling to irrevelencies without context or perspective.
Re: [Goanet] Cheney likes Chinese
TO: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone who reads your posts can see that it is you who show little decency or civility, while whining about others. Your posts are getting increasingly hysterical and desperate as you hide behind the opinions of others while your positions dissolve under the weight of facts, context and perspective. Here are some examples, from just one of your posts: 1. Mr. Mario Goveia fails miserably to defend his false assertion 2. Displaying an utter lack of sincerity and decency 3. disseminate misinformation in the service of his discredited ideology. 4. Mr. Goveia is deceptive 5. Mr. Goveia is lying
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Dec 29, 2004!
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[Goanet]Free software in Goa... Dec 27, 2004
Present for the meeting: * Bijon Multi Distro Shaha * Mario PHP Alvares * Sylvester Hardware GeekBox * DP (Hiding Behind The Alphabets) * FN reporting on some points that came up * We handed over copies of GeekBox and Ubuntu to Mr Joshi of Goa Sc Centre * Bijon Shaha gave us an update of LB-2004, the Bangalore FOSS event * The talk veered around to pendrives, Ubuntu * Can we do something to re-start meetings in South Goa, at the useful D-Link venue? Another offer is to hold meetings at a cybercafe in Vasco... * Debian Weekly News is a great model for an e-letter sharing information about what's happening in the FLOSS world. * Mario mentioned his experiences on a Mac, with OSX * Woes of Fedora Core 3 users and the security hassles outlined. * Is Fedora Core 3 just too secure? * Sylvester offered information about SLAX, the Slackware distro. Slackware is more customisable. [EMAIL PROTECTED] has a copy. * Mario is keen to create a live distro with Postgres on it. * This was followed with a demo of Ubuntu, the live version For free copies of this distro, just log on to http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org and ask for it. They even offer you free postage, and encourage you to ask for multiple copies (postage is costlier anyway than the medium!) * Later, a pen drive -- UMAX Apus 208 -- was easily got working on Mandrake 9.1. Did the same on EgovOS (based on Red Hat). Had some difficulty in getting with going with Debian Woody. Any clues? * Some useful tips for newbies or challenged-learners (like myself) Use this command to download an entire site wbet -m http://www.sitename.com To compress a folder tar cjf newfile /home/user/directory and to uncompress a folder tar xjf To unzip a filme unzip filename MC, or Midnight Commander is a good tool for this. * DP mentioned that Open Office 2.0 preview is out, which offers OOBase, a tool similar to DBase or Access in utility. * Later, the session continued with informal networking. We shifted to Cafe Prakash, the usual haunt, and shared some moments with friends there. Please point out any errors or mistakes above. Next meeting: January 22, 2005 (fourth Saturday). Miramar Science Centre. Our websites and URLs: http://ilug-goa.swiki.net (website on Swiki.net) http://www.ilug-margao.org (Margao site: Andrew, Arvind, Clinton...) http://ilug-goa.notlong.com (website on IOSN.net * free space for LUGs) http://iluggoa.iosn.net (Wiki on IOSN.net * free space for all LUGs) http://iluggoalist.notlong.com (short link to this list) http://ilug-goa-announce.notlong.com (low volume announce) http://tyl.notlong.com (for newbies) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linuxgoahelp (specifically help list) PS: OFFTOPIC -- Derek Cordeiro pointed out to me this useful tool for bookmarking and sharing sites. Please visit http://stumbleupon.com and also my tiny attempt below... works great! Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://fredericknoronha.stumbleupon.com http://fn-floss.notlong.com Avoid Word/PowerPoint: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
