[Goanet]An airport's own low-cost carrier
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1123635,curpg-1.cms Another first: An airport's own low-cost carrier CUCKOO PAUL TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, MAY 27, 2005 12:53:51 AM] MUMBAI: AFTER booze-makers, travel agents, PR pundits and textile nabobs, guess who is now planning to set up an airline? It's open season for airline launches as India inches closer to open skies. In an unusual initiative, airport company Cochin International Airport (CIAL) is planning to launch a low-cost airline. The plan is to start domestic and international operations, using Kochi airport as a hub, - Kingfisher would have been a natural for Dabolim but that is not in our stars --- yet!
[Goanet]RE: subjects for discussion
Dear Administrator, Can I make a suggestion of topics for this weeks' discussion so we can move to a more progressive approach: 1. How can we assist (in any method) to improve communication network i.e. internet, phones.wifi,wimax in GOA. 2. How can we set up a system including desalination to guarantee drinking water in Goa ( forget the weels they are almost all polluted by groundwater contamination) 3. How can we ensure that people who have a motor vehicle have a valid driving license after doing the driving tests and did not bribe anyone? 4. How can we improve the Health response time with ambulances or 24 hour TRAUMA centre in GOA. 5. How can we arrest criminals who sell real estate with so called POA (Powers of Attorney) and have no legal capacity to convey title. Thank you Dr. Joaquim De Souza[May 26] Let me take the liberty of responding to this as a fellow goanetter and not in any official capacity. I would also like to preface my comments by sharing some personal experiences on a couple of forums other than goanet (basically by virtue of email membership). In one such forum, lengthy and learned articles appear regularly and one is allowed to post responses (within clear space limits) including replies to responses of others. These responses take 48 hours to appear. Some subjects have been known to attract 50 or more such responses but mostly there are just four or five if any. In another forum, your response appears instantaneously -- soon after you hit the send button. On this forum you can even initiate a discussion by posting the first message. But I find the postings to be largely inane and vacuous. Most initial messages do not receive any responses whatsoever. Recently I conducted a monologue over 5 messages of my own spread over many days! Compared to these, (and I am open to any correction)goanet appears to be a forum of leaderless group discussion. Anybody can post a message broadly pertaining to Goa and it is up to others to pick up on the thread and discuss until it fades out naturally in due course. All the questions you have posed are vital and valid and could conceivably be raised individually on goanet depending on your personal preference. Some of them may even be amenable to grouping (e.g around health or other such relevant category). But there is no guarantee the topic will fly on goanet let alone converge on some practical solution. We just have to be prepared to take our chances! Why is this so? Some of the problems may basically involve getting people to do their jobs the way it is supposed to be done. Others may involve launching into a scientific or technological process. These things may be beyond the scope of a talk shop like goanet where one can only hope to create a new mindset (social capital in the grand vision of some persons). Action may be possible only if organisations require key members to participate in goanet and use relevant inputs generated therein. The nearest actionable linkages I can think of may be with other media such as the press or TV news or even the PR arms of some organisations. Hence the progressive approach that is being advocated for discussion may make goanet a forum which is fundamentally different from what it presently is. How feasible would this be in the short run?
[Goanet]Re: Poll on sexual attitudes
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One day an affable Goan relative comes from Canada to visit us and spend some time with us. But the relative comes with their live-in lover. Should I make this relative: 1. Very much at home and make the persons an example to my kid. Yes, make them very much at home, preferably with Goan food. See what to do with the kid below. 2. Allow the two lovers share the same bed room for as long as they want to be our guests. Yes, share the same room but talk to them all night. Keep them awake by discussing various topics except the Inquisition or caste in Goa which will put them to sleep. 3. Force them into separate bedrooms and abide by our mores while they are under our roof. This won't work. Once you are asleep, they will sneak in together. However, you could stay awake all night and discuss various topics. 4. Pack this relative back home or to a hotel ASAP. Send the kid to the hotel. Teenagers like to be away from parents. This way the kid can tell her classmates the next day: Guess how lucky I got. A relative came over to visit from Canada and dad chatted to them all night. So as not to disturb me, dad put in a hotel room last night. Regards, George It is free to vote!:=)) Ladies as the boss of the home please opine. Regards, GL jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried very hard to answer your most excellent questions but I don't think I made sense to you. Either that ...or you do not read. I believe it is the former.. good wishes ... jc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not sure you answered any of my questions. None of them were trick questions. They were posed because I do not know the answer to them. Can you or any one answer the question? especailly Do you think same-sex pedophiles is a sexual-behavioral extension of adult homosexuality or is it a different 'kettle of fish'? If you do not know, please say so and let's not answer a question with a question.
Re: [Goanet]Emails from Mario Goveia's address
someone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Mervyn, a proud second-class Canadian Hi there unknown person(s) I am aware that you are a slow reader/learner so let me try this one more time. Canada has ONE type of citizenship. A citizenship allows ANY citizen to run for ANY public office. The current elected MP's include three who were born in the United States, two who were born in Tanzania and ten who are originally from the Indian sub-continent. There also are Indian born MP's in the Cabinet. The following link will give you some idea on how many and how far new Canadians have progressed in Canadian politics. http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/House/mpsbo.asp?lang=EHist=N Returning to your topic of second class citizens, it's my understanding that you, a US CITIZEN, cannot by law, run for some public offices in your own country. Now that's REALLY a second class citizen. Why no Canadian issues posted by Goan Canadians? where I asked why Goan Canadians were obsessed by the dominating shadow of the US and never posted anything about the social and economic mess in Canada? dude(s), The Fox network uses Have you stopped beating your wife? Any teenager can copy, re-word and paste as you do. When, oh when, are you going to come up with some original thought? Secondly, all that Canadians are interested in, is to keep those US tax dollars flowing directly north. We know how spend it and know what to send you good folks in return. Returning to the original topic on this tread, any pre-teen in the US will know, and will be courteous enough, to sign email s/he has authored. You have not shown us this courtesy. In fact, when you started here, every post of yours had bovine excrement in it. I told you several times that you were the only person using crude language but you insisted on using what YOU felt like. It's thanks to the adm team that you have cleaned up your language. Once again, I have the same request for you. Can you behave like a first class member and sign the emails that you post on Goanet? Either that, or we start treating you like the other teenagers that use false ID's here. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Goa's forts (website)
Dear Joe, there are several forts in Goa, some from the pre-Portuguese period then renovated/reconstructed by the Portuguese, and some from the Portuguese period. And some in the post-Portuguese period, if we consider Project Sea Bird at Karwar, occupying the Goan territory of Anjediv Island, or Indian Navy's presence in Dabolim! Curiously, the experience you narrate regarding a supposed fort in Chandor happened to me also. If you follow the Goa Tourism Department Map there is not only a fort in Chandor (inexistant, as you found out) as well as in Nanuz, few km South of Valpoy, Sattari's capital. I went there in 1999. Only after querying for over two hours with local villagers, some took us through dense vegetation up to a hill. There I found only a pillar with an inscription saying that there had been a fort there. Villagers told me there used to be a silver cross on the pillar, but taken back to Portugal. Later I found out that the same fort of Nanuz had been destroyed by the Portuguese themselves, in 1896 (I am not sure), to prevent it from serving as a hideout for local rebellions which were frequent in this region by the end of the 19th century. This just to show the ridiculous fact of Goa Tourims Department Map's (and most other tourist maps) showing a fort that does not exist for over a century. Please see the list of Goan forts (with images and brief history) I put up at Supergoa.com: http://www.supergoa.com/pt/fortes/f_intro.asp Regards, Constantino * Goa @ http://www.supergoa.com/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Re: Poll on sexual attitudes
GL responds: Hi JC: I don't believe you would not know the answers to those question if there were answers. That is my point. There are so many questions about homosexuality that we do not know and dare not ask - including medical questions. Dr. Joaquim DeSouza and Kevin had a lot of good generalization. But let me ask them and others how they would handle the following situation where: About fifteen years ago, we were living very comfortably in our home in the USA with our teenage daughter. One day an affable Goan relative comes from Canada to visit us and pend some time with us. But the relative comes with their live-in lover. Should I make this relative: 1. Very much at home and make the persons an example to my kid. 2. Allow the two lovers share the same bed room for as long as they want to be our guests. 3. Force them into separate bedrooms and abide by our mores while they are under our roof. 4. Pack this relative back home or to a hotel ASAP. It is free to vote!:=)) Ladies as the boss of the home please opine. Regards, GL jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried very hard to answer your most excellent questions but I don't think I made sense to you. Either that ...or you do not read. I believe it is the former.. good wishes ... jc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not sure you answered any of my questions. None of them were trick questions. They were posed because I do not know the answer to them. Can you or any one answer the question? especailly Do you think same-sex pedophiles is a sexual-behavioral extension of adult homosexuality or is it a different 'kettle of fish'? If you do not know, please say so and let's not answer a question with a question.
Re: [Goanet] Alfred de Tavares' 3 piece v 7 piece sartorialism
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does the 7-piece sartorialization you profer include 'cashti' and all? Alfredchacha/Josebab, In IRC a 7-piece suit is the following from inside out, bottom to top: Chaambdeachem zotem Kashti Haathkaapem Banyan Poodvem Khomiss Topi or chepem Judi Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: George and going after John Paul II - final
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look George, I believe I have said all I have to say about this matter save to add that a distinct anti-white foundation runs through your posts.(I would have understood it IF it was as a counter to some radical Rt. Wing Aryan group was posting here) but I see in my file a distinct streak of racism in your postings - whether it be re: John Paul II, the election of new Pope (Benedict), St Francis Xavier, Mother Teresa or even the late Archbishop Alan Basil de Lastic. If you CAREFULLY review my comments with an objective eye, you will note that I am opposed to unjust Power Structures which happen to be white in the topics/threads discussed. It is not white I am opposed to, but the injustices which flow from these offices/institutions. If we had 4 African Popes in a row I would ask what about Asia or Latin America. I have already asked what about women priests without respect to color. I am interested in the injustice as I see it (whether someone agrees or disagrees is another matter). If we had 6 women Hispanic USA Presidents in a row, I would ask what about Black men, white women, etc. If we had 50 Goan Catholic saints I would ask what about saints from Kerala. Your perception of my racial bias is incorrect. Regards, George
[Goanet]Exhibition Football Match - KFC v/s INDIA Select at Soor Grounds, Kuwait
Exhibition Football Match - KFC versus INDIA SELECT at Soor Grounds, Kuwait An exhibition football match will be held at Soor Grounds, Kuwait tomorrow, May 27th, 2005 at 7:30 a.m. between Kuwait Football Club (KFC) versus INDIA Select. Both teams comprises of young budding and talented footballers (school students). All are invited to attend. This match will be followed by the finals between Navelim Youth Centre and A.V.C. Sports Club organized by the United Goans Centre under the auspices of KIFF. (Info source: C.S.S.C.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Silence Vision
Bosco D'Mello wrote: RESPONSE: You are free to intepret any and all posts as you like and you are free to make an opinion. On behalf of Goanet Admin, I have done the same. Cecil: I was responding to statements (regarding 'benevolent dicatatorship' and a 'vision' for GoaNet) made by Fred in his personal capacity and as you clearly stated, NOT in his capacity as a member of the GoaNet Admin Team. I still can't understand why you are defending and interpreting Fred's personal messages. Can't he do so himself? Most strange? - Cecil: Well said. So can I assume that Fred's statement about the 'benevolent dictatorship' is not shared by the other Admin Team Members? Or is it? Bosco: RESPONSE: Once again, I have said what I had to. Everybody is free to form their own opinion. I don't see anything ambiguous with what I have said. Cecil: So how come you can't answer a simple question? Do you share Fred's opinion that GoaNet should be run like a 'benevolent dicatatorship'? If you don't want to reply it's perfectly ok. I understand you must be under a lot of pressure. Bosco: RESPONSE: I'm sorry if I have given you that impression as that was not my intent. I have no intention to skirt anything. I have no idea what is this vision that you are trying to figure out. Whatever Goanet Admin have had to say, is shared publicly. You will find those messages in Goanet Archives. Most of them have come from Herman Carneiro. Cecil: Then surely Fred has to clarify about his 'vision' for GoaNet, that is obviously not even shared by his fellow Admin Team Members, let alone ordinary subscribers like me. Bosco: RESPONSE: You are right - every country does have a constitution but Goanet is not a country. Did you say illogical ?? Cecil: The point I was trying to make is that writing down Rules and Guidelines does not ensure smooth running of any operation. There is always scope for interpretation - and modification. Cecil: Agreed. And also if there is a 'vision' that the Admin Team is working towards then it should be shared so we do not work at cross purposes. And Fred should clarify what he meant (as an individual or as a Admin Team Member) instead of asking others to interpret his statements. Bosco: RESPONSE: I've addressed this above but I'd like to add, if there are any Goanetters out there with ideas and suggestions for Goanet, Goanet Admin would delighted to hear them. Drop a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or drop a personal note to any of us individually. Cecil: You have addressed nothing. Fred spoke of a 'vision' for GoaNet. You claim you don't know about any such 'vision'. None of the other Admin members have spoken on this issue. So perhaps this 'vision' is Fred's solely. How quaint. - Bosco: RESPONSE: I don't think of you as a curmudgeon and I don't believe any others do. Don't be hard on yourself. You're a Goenkar in the pursuit of information!! Cecil: Better still, I am a Cyber Goan in search of the truth. And from your ducking and evading, and Fred's silence, I think I have my answers. - Cecil: For the weary subscribers I quote below Fred's statements below a few days back which I questioned and my questioning posts were rejected by the Admin Team repatedly even after re-writing them three times to get rid off whatever it was they considered unacceptable. Fred wrote: . . My personal view is that Net-based ventures are best run as benevolent dictatorships. With people getting peer-acceptance on the basis of the work they put in. . . Along the way I would surely get tired of it, and would love to hand it over to someone else -- but provided that someone shares the vision it was set up with, and is going to run it as well, if not better. ==
Re: [Goanet]A public apology to Dr. Helekar
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reviewing the record, I hereby withdraw my assertion that Dr. Helekar is a defender of Aids-infected drug users, and issue a public apology in the spirit of JoeGoaUk. Dear Mr. Goveia, Thanks for that. It is always good to speak one's mind. I applaud you on that front. If you say so. However, we will never know what REALLY goes on behind that computer screen, will we, now that you have disclosed that many of your statements are ploys? You are right. There is no way for me to prove that. But some would say that it is better to lose one's cool than to use a ploy. So I am actually admitting to committing a graver offense. That should count for something. Unless of course, all of this is a ploy. Nobody other than myself would ever know that. That is the nature of our consciousness. It is entirely private. That is why it is the last uncharted frontier of science. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Ismael Merchant Dies.
Thank you, Gabriel, it was Jennifer. She went too soon, had asked that her ashes be spread over her beloved Baga bay. Will post the Times obit, and a note here, Ivory and Merchant were not gay. eric. --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Jennifer Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 68, in London. His Shakespearwalla brought the revered Kendalls to India, introduced Sashi Kapoor to his beloved Felicity and made them all Goa lovers and residents. He told us of a big debt to St. Xavier's College in Bombay, wrote a large in New York to prove it. RIP.eric. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/
[Goanet]Re: Points made by Cecil Pinto
Hi Cornel I have read that there were caste-based Goans clubs in East Africa (I am not sure of the current situation). Did this practice end? Is it your feeling that Goans who returned to Goa or migrated to Canada, Australia, UK, etc. left their prejudices behind? I don't mean to single out East African Goans, but I am asking since that is the thread. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cecil, I am puzzled by the specific point you make that: the large numbers of East African Goans who brought their prejudices back with them, when in Goa itself these same caste prejudices were on their way out. You may indeed know more about this than I do, and I therefore hope you will find the time to elaborate on your contention please.
[Goanet]RE: subjects for discussion
Dear Administrator, Can I make a suggestion of topics for this weeks' discussion so we can move to a more progressive approach: 1. How can we assist (in any method) to improve communication network i.e. internet, phones.wifi,wimax in GOA. 2. How can we set up a system including desalination to guarantee drinking water in Goa ( forget the weels they are almost all polluted by groundwater contamination) 3. How can we ensure that people who have a motor vehicle have a valid driving license after doing the driving tests and did not bribe anyone? 4. How can we improve the Health response time with ambulances or 24 hour TRAUMA centre in GOA. 5. How can we arrest criminals who sell real estate with so called POA ( Powers of Attorney) and have no legal capacity to convey title. Thank you Dr. Joaquim De Souza
[Goanet]Re: Taking a vacation from logic
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marxism-Leninism is an atheistic philosophy, which is why a Catholic Marxist-Leninist Priest would be a genuine oxymoron. In theory yes. However, they were Catholic priests who were accused by the Vatican of having Marxist philosophies. The Vatican set up this oxymoron and it is one of the problems I have with their opposition to Liberation Theology. Jose repeated the Marxist connection. I think the burden in on the those who accuse the liberation theologists of being Marxist to demonstrate how Catholic priests can be Marxist at the same time. I see it is easy to throw around the word Marxist with people one disagrees with - as you have done with the Baathists below. The last time I checked, Capitalism was an economic system which does not include a religious component. I did not say Capitalism had a religious component. I wrote about the Church's alignment with capitalism. the innocent Iraqis are being targeted and killed by suicidal Sunni Marxist-Leninist Baathists, Innocent Iraqis are being targeted by Iraqis and have been caught in the crossfire of US coalition forces too. But Sunni Marxist-Leninist Baathists! Is this comedy? The Sunnis are atheists too? Or did you forget to add Trostsky to the Marxist Leninist combo. How about Sunni Marxist-Leninsist-Trostsky-Stalinist-Socialist-anti-capitalist-anti-democratic-pro-Canadian aids-infected Baathists. Now, that should make you feel good. These are the same Sunni Marxist-Leninist Baathists, led by Saddam Hussein, who had brutalized the majority of Iraqis for over 30 years, Saddam Hussein killed about 500,000 of his people, perhaps more. Capitalism and its quest for oil control has killed 100,000 in this war and about 200,000 in the first gulf war, including the carpet bombing of retreating Iraqi solders. Capitalism is currently losing the death count to Saddam. With his imprisonment and impending execution, capitalism will catch up. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Folks, will someone please translate the gibberish in Mervyn's post below? His high school Grammar teacher would have a fit. By the way, Mervyn, a proud second-class Canadian (according to his in-laws) studiously ignored my post of May 24, titled, Why no Canadian issues posted by Goan Canadians? where I asked why Goan Canadians were obsessed by the dominating shadow of the US and never posted anything about the social and economic mess in Canada? --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Het someone(s): When your'll started posting here, your'll unsigned posts where full of bovine excrement. The above term is not used any more. Now I have a small request, can your'll who are sending email from the above address please sign your'll email?
Re: [Goanet]Hell Raiser- 2
--- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dear Mario, How could poor Cecil, you or I, ever find out, hopefully later than sooner what heaven or hell is exactly like. Mario replies: Alfred, be patient, we will all find out when we get there. You are already giving me a taste of HELL with your questions. Maybe such important religious questions should be better addressed to our resident religious expert, Padre Ivo.
[Goanet]RE: Alfred de Tavares' 3 piece v 7 piece sartorialism
From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED]My dear dotor Joe, you soudly obfuscate my vision of a dandy a lá beu Brummel. We, Joe dear, have beem fitted, however obtrusely, with 3-piece suitts: Trousers, vest and jacket/coat. Does the 7-piece sartorialization you profer include 'cashti' and all? Alfred Mogal Alfredo Chacha, I prefer not to describe a 3 piece Sartorial arrangement in a public forum. The Censors at GoaNet might admonish me for being Inappropriate (:-) A proper 4 piece is also called Window Dressing in some parts of our Sashtti 1 Jacket, 1 Shirt, 1 Tie ani 1 Kashti just saw amchem Cynthia's contribution. All I'd say to her is she ain't been to Sashti! (:-) jc please see authentic kashti reference to Livia de Abreu Noronha's script at http://www.colaco.net/1/kashti.htm President Pandurang of the Independent Republic of Chimbel also weighs in with these thoughts The kashti will always secure what lies in front of us - our future, and at the same time, provide us full knowledge of and free access to what lies behind us - our past. http://www.colaco.net/1/SantoshKashtidefence.htm Other Kashti thoughts from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, Aloysius D'Souza and Vivian A. D'Souza are at http://www.colaco.net/1/MoreKashti.htm cheers! jc jc Der Kashtti is only used if there is a contralateral window it then becomes 4 piece _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]RE: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: George and going after John Paul II - final
Hey Alfred Even if you have counted the kasti or the langoti . its does not tally to 7 pieces probably he is counting the assests t. Cynthia From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@goanet.org Subject: RE: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: George and going after John Paul II - final Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:04:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 65.54.186.71 X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com ([216.155.201.66]) by mc9-f38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 26 May 2005 08:09:02 -0700 Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 15:04:24 - Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 15:04:24 - Received: from [66.218.66.33] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2005 15:04:24 - Received: (qmail 59491 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 15:04:21 - Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2005 15:04:21 - Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 15:04:20 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:04:16 -0700 Received: from 213.64.103.116 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, 26 May 2005 15:04:15 GMT X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGMg3kXRzyfVxHCLEGG/VqHj8UqIwKtA+A= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com;b=tAjHPCfKIRQEKGopN2/an/hV7k1tPYnjm1WKIBgfxcqxrQdKvAqYI0BaXyWNDFWck3cQsCpnqCkf3nXDtnR4bIuKpH8084L/hyWd/+aqvysa5QWugYnhQ6FsYo+b1zP/; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2005 15:04:16.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F53F5F0:01C56204] X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Goa-Goans.yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: George and going after John Paul II - final Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:13:40 + George Pinto wrote: Jose, if you want a serious discussion, cut the crap about George goes at John Paul II. I have changed the subject line in keeping with the topic Good Morning George. The above is fine by me, George. Dressing up in a 7 piece suit will not make me an aristocrat. It is an indisputable fact that (as is the norm on these lists - please check the archives) you, George have once again gone after John Paul II. My dear dotor Joe, you soudly obfuscate my vision of a dandy a lá beu Brummel. We, Joe dear, have beem fitted, however obtrusely, with 3-piece suitts: Trousers, vest and jacket/coat. Does the 7-piece sartorialization you profer include 'cashti' and all? Alfred _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore . http://us.click.yahoo.com/Dtf6vA/gsnJAA/d1hLAA/E5z3lB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Can Dr. Helekar admit he lost his cool?
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used one of the following strategies in my responses, all done in a deliberate manner to simply discourage my opponent in debate from persisting in such name-calling: 4. I have sent in an over-dramatized response, consisting of what one Goanet Administrator referred to as adjective-laced admonishment. I am sorry, I forgot to add the following option to my list of choice actions: 5. I have directly requested my opponent in debate to stop attacking me or calling me names, especially when I know from his/her history that he/she is capable of showing respect and common courtesy. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Ugharit - Truth in Labelling !!
Thank you, Alfredo. Since the edict applies to merchandise, i am free to disclaim a connection and tell you my language is called 'Culture', if you get the picture: in much the same vein, the Oxford tome on lexicon claims a indo-european origin for precursor words that are so clearly sanskrit. Perhaps it is the frost, but the Finns are the only group who can bring themselves to say they speak Finno-Ugarit, not so the Hungarians, Esthonians(Asthanya!) or Latvians(Lahtvyaa!). Perhaps a primitive compass could only track the 40th longitude, they stayed in line from Erithrea on north: every last Finnish surname can be found in Asmara. Finn myth and lore revolves around their beloved 'Kalavalla', their version of a Gita - not to hurt feelings here. The related Karalia became extinct only in th 20th century after Russian encroachment on their eastern territory. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Violence Against Women Rampant in Asia
Gabe, for you to compare the violence against women in Asia due to unpaid dowries with interrogations of battlefield combatants sworn to kill Americans, and who do not fall under the Geneva Conventions, shows how low some anti-Americans who were perhaps denied residency visas, have sunk. Interrogating battlefield combatants is not a license to anyone to commit abuse with impunity, which makes Amnesty International's assertions bogus. American's who have been accused of wrongdoing, mostly by their fellow Americans, are all being prosecuted and punished if found guilty. --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Violence Against Women Rampant in Asia KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- Violence and systematic discrimination against women was rampant in Asia last year, ranging from acid attacks for unpaid dowries in Bangladesh to forced abortion in China, rape by soldiers in Nepal and domestic beatings in Australia, Amnesty International said. RESPONSE: Amnesty had this to say about the USA too! : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4580991.stm Amnesty accuses US over 'torture' US soldiers with Iraqi detainees The US is accused of damaging human rights across the world Governments around the world betrayed their commitment to human rights in 2004, Amnesty International says. In a 300-page annual report, the group accused the US government of damaging human rights with its attitude to torture and treatment of detainees. This granted a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity, the human rights advocates said. ...
Re: [Goanet]Taking a vacation from logic
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose wrote: Did it not strike you that A Catholic Marxist-Leninist Priest would be an epitomy of an Oxymoron? George replied illogically: Logically, it could also follow that a Catholic Capitalist priest is an oxymoron. After all the Catholic church was around before Adam Smith and capitalism as we know it. It cannot now align with capitalism which would mean it was aligned with the wrong side prior to then. If it does align with capitalism now, what about the ills of capitalism? After all capitalism just killed a 100,000 people in Iraq. Mario points out: George, you need to cut the crap as well, and not turn both facts and logic on their respective heads. Surely a learned professor like you would know that Marxism-Leninism is an atheistic philosophy, which is why a Catholic Marxist-Leninist Priest would be a genuine oxymoron. The last time I checked, Capitalism was an economic system which does not include a religious component. To blame the LIBERATION by US-led forces of 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis on an economic system is the height of illogic, with all due respect. Furthermore, you seem to not be following the daily news, and so have missed the fact that the innocent Iraqis are being targeted and killed by suicidal Sunni Marxist-Leninist Baathists, in their attempt to deny freedom and democracy to the majority of Iraqis. These are the same Sunni Marxist-Leninist Baathists, led by Saddam Hussein, who had brutalized the majority of Iraqis for over 30 years, news of which also does not seem to have filtered up to your ivory tower.
[Goanet]RE: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: George and going after John Paul II - final
From: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: George and going after John Paul II - final Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:13:40 + George Pinto wrote: Jose, if you want a serious discussion, cut the crap about George goes at John Paul II. I have changed the subject line in keeping with the topic Good Morning George. The above is fine by me, George. Dressing up in a 7 piece suit will not make me an aristocrat. It is an indisputable fact that (as is the norm on these lists - please check the archives) you, George have once again gone after John Paul II. My dear dotor Joe, you soudly obfuscate my vision of a dandy a lá beu Brummel. We, Joe dear, have beem fitted, however obtrusely, with 3-piece suitts: Trousers, vest and jacket/coat. Does the 7-piece sartorialization you profer include 'cashti' and all? Alfred _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Someone using the address, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always use epithets advisedly, and rarely retract real targeted name calling I have engaged in, as Mervyn will confirm. Het someone(s): When your'll started posting here, your'll unsigned posts where full of bovine excrement. The above term is not used any more. Now I have a small request, can your'll who are sending email from the above address please sign your'll email? It will help the rest of us understand exactly who is doing the, real targeted name calling. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Science, religion and Dr Helekar
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Science, religion and Dr Helekar Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:01:44 +0100 On 25/05/05, sandeep heble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his essay Is There a God? the great Philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote: . The best I remember of Russel is his comment when philosophical nemesis, Satre was awarded, and refused, the Nobel Prize for literature, with the statement: I do not wish to be remembered as the intellectual who was awarded the Nobel Prize. Rejoined Russel, now he will be remembered as the one who refused the Nobel Prize. Alfred de T. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
RE: [Goanet]konkani Songs MP3 'Top collection' Vol.2...... a review
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]konkani Songs MP3 'Top collection' Vol.2.. a review Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:21:01 +0100 (BST) Manfa music has carefully selected 50 songs, all are good except the one sung by Marcelin de Betim titled 'Don Panam' All song was about Churchill and hence the title of the song should have been 'Churchill bab' He says, -Don Panan sent him Delhi by defeating Congress 'Hand'. -As a Chief Minister, he has done so much in 15 days that others could not do in 15 years. -Churchill is compared to Bahu Saib (First CM of Goa) -Ghorjebhair teje misgotik gelear te politician urchenant. -Xinkop asloleank and xinkop nasloleank tannem disco nachoila. -Churchil bab zindabad Dont know why this song was chosen, perhaps, the producers themselves are Churchill supporters. It may be ok, when it sung live in tiatr etc We buy CD not just during the election time but as souvenir- to keep it going through out its life time. Thats only my opinion. The song 'Viva La Goa' (by Aurvile Melque) was my favourite. for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Sottomayor /Sotomaior/Souto Maior
On 26/05/05, Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name derived possibly from the valley of Souto, in Spain. Being a large locality, it was termed Maior. The first known user of it as family name was Paio Mendes Sorede de Sotomaior (XIII c.) married to Eremesenda Nunes Maldonado. The descendants moved to Portugal. Their 7th grandson, D. Pedro Alvares de Sottomayor, viscount of Tui and count of Caminha, lived for some years in Portugal after 1476. His descendant D- Pedro Taveira de Sottomayor, played an important role in the military campaigs of the Restoration of.. Teotonio R. de Souza Question: How about Banco Pinto Sotto Mayor? Is this Institution also part of the family? -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]RE: USSR - unfriendly? - final
Jose Colaco wrote: Is the same USSR which entraped Indian diplomats and military 'attaches' with the help of Ruskie chicks (read KGB agents) and then blackmailed them into photographing Indian trade secrets? Is this the same USSR which dragged India into the quagmire of regressive Socialist inertia? Is this the same USSR that sold India suboptimal technology (for want of a better of a better word)? Is this the same USSR which fought for democracy and against Imperialism around the world but kept the various Soviet Gulags and Cuba as its colonies (read place to suppress Freedom)? Is this the same USSR which cracked wide open? A friend? ...give me a break! Chains with weights tied round the feet is more like it. No wonder the mindset of Indians ... is that Andaman is still Indian! Bravo! I say to those who are still Commie-ized response from From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED].. Dear Jose, I could as easily pick a number of similar points and prove how USA was unfriendly, or UK. Anyway, I don't want to get involved in a 'international politics' debate that interests very few here on GoaNet *chuckle*. What I was trying to suggest to Bosco is that it is not fair to condemn an entire country, and its people, on the basis of a few decisions of its political leaders. Criticising an individual (eg. George Bush) or a party (eg. Republicans) is acceptable but one doesn't refer to an entire country as 'unfriendly' or whatever. Cheers! Cecil ...response from JC... Dear Cecil, Thank you for you customary civility in discussion. You are absolutely right wrt how YOU could easily pick a number of similar points and prove how USA was unfriendly, or UK But that, my dear Cecil, is besides the point. I do not believe Anybody said that the UK or US were friendly towards India. Did anybody? Now if you wish please review the post to which I responded. No mas jc _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]FOR ALL MUMS
To the mom in all of us A man came home from work and found his three children outside, still in their pajamas, playing in the mud, with empty food boxes and wrappers strewn all around the front yard. The door of his wife's car was open, as was the front door to the house and there was no sign of the dog. Proceeding into the entry, he found an even bigger mess. A lamp had been knocked over, and the throw rug was wadded against one wall. In the front room the TV was loudly blaring a cartoon channel, and the family room was strewn with toys and various items of clothing. In the kitchen, dishes filled the sink, breakfast food was spilled on the counter, the fridge door was open wide, dog food was spilled on the floor, a broken glass lay under the table, and a small pile of sand was spread by the back door. He quickly headed up the stairs, stepping over toys and more piles of clothes, looking for his wife. He was worried she might be ill, or that something serious had happened. He was met with a small trickle of water as it made its way out the bathroom door. As he peered inside he found wet towels, scummy soap and more toys strewn over the floor. Miles of toilet paper lay in a heap and toothpaste had been smeared over the mirror and walls. As he rushed to the bedroom, he found his wife still curled up in the bed in her pajamas, reading a novel. She looked up at him, smiled, and asked how his day went. He looked at her bewildered and asked, What happened here today? She again smiled and answered, You know every day when you come home from work and you ask me what in the world did I do today? Yes, was his incredulous reply. She answered, Well, today I didn't do it. CYRIL PEREIRA TAN SALES (LONDON) LTD UNIT B, COLINDALE BUSINESS PARK 2/10 CARLISLE ROAD LONDON NW9 0HN ENGLAND TEL: +44 20 8205 6881 FAX: +44 20 8205 6884 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.tansales.co.uk This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
[Goanet]Re: George and going after John Paul II - final
George Pinto wrote: Jose, if you want a serious discussion, cut the crap about George goes at John Paul II. I have changed the subject line in keeping with the topic Good Morning George. The above is fine by me, George. Dressing up in a 7 piece suit will not make me an aristocrat. It is an indisputable fact that (as is the norm on these lists - please check the archives) you, George have once again gone after John Paul II. When I pointed out John Paul's opposition to the Marxisation of Liberation Theology in Latin America, you attempt to shift the goal post and now state that :The bigger issue is when and to what extent should priests/nuns/bishops/cardinals/popes be involved in politics? Should their non-involvement in a world full of injustices be considered un-Catholic? The bigger issue is an excellent topic for another day, George. For now,I will stick to the topic You raised. i.e. John Paul and Liberation Theology...which (minus the Marxist hijacking) is a product of Vatican II. re: my (JC) assertion that A Catholic Marxist-Leninist Priest would be an epitomy of an Oxymoron, you write Logically, it could also follow that a Catholic Capitalist priest is an oxymoron. I agree with you - but NOT because any capitalist country would prohibit Freedom of Religious Worship as the Marxists have done - albeit, step by step. BTW: Please see comments of Fr. Drinan who was asked by the Vatican to resign his seat from the US Congress (excerpt at foot of this message). == You note that :the Catholic church was around before capitalism as we know it. It cannot now align with capitalism which would mean it was aligned with the wrong side prior to then. If it does align with capitalism now, what about the ills of capitalism? After all capitalism just killed a 100,000 people in Iraq I repeat my believe that the Church should stay out of partisan politics ...and Marxism, Leninism or Stalinism too. After all Stalinism killed 20 million people in Russia alone. Look George, I believe I have said all I have to say about this matter save to add that a distinct anti-white foundation runs through your posts.(I would have understood it IF it was as a counter to some radical Rt. Wing Aryan group was posting here) but I see in my file a distinct streak of racism in your postings - whether it be re: John Paul II, the election of new Pope (Benedict), St Francis Xavier, Mother Teresa or even the late Archbishop Alan Basil de Lastic. With that, I will stop here now. Yours will be the final word on this matter. Have a good day and a good rest of the week. sincerely jc Meet the Press March 27, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7284978/ MR. RUSSERT: You are a Catholic priest, a Jesuit. You are also a member of Congress, and then the pope told you, Get out of politics. What was it like when you received that order? REV. DRINAN: Well, it's a little more complicated than that. They changed canon law. I had the permission of Cardinal Cushing to run for Congress, and he was enthusiastic about it. There were three or four Catholic priests in politics in Latin America, and they were contentious, and they were now revising canon law. So all that the pope did was to centralize the decision. A bishop can't do it anymore, the Holy See has to do it. And if you want to see some up-side to it, after I left Congress, I was in Brazil, talking to some priests over there, and one priest said to me, We wept for you, but that if priests were allowed to enter the Congress all over the world, we would have people who were very conservative, fascists, the brothers of generals becoming elected in Latin America. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Re: Points made by Cecil Pinto
Hi Cecil, I am puzzled by the specific point you make that: the large numbers of East African Goans who brought their prejudices back with them, when in Goa itself these same caste prejudices were on their way out. You may indeed know more about this than I do, and I therefore hope you will find the time to elaborate on your contention please. However, for now, notwithstanding my lack of ready statistical evidence, on the pattern of the outflow of the Goans from East Africa, but as an informed former East African Goan, I am sceptical about what you say for the following reasons: Those East African Goans who returned to Goa, permanently, following the general outflow from E. Africa would have been a small minority of older Goans. Sequentially, the vast majority went to the UK first, then to Canada and smaller numbers went to the USA and Australia/NZ. Of these, there was a further movement (sometimes, to and fro) between these countries for settlement purposes. The younger Goans who returned to Goa, often took up jobs in the then booming Gulf economies and sometimes moved on to the West or even took up temporary work contracts back in East Africa. Numbers, of course, have stayed on in East Africa and never left as such, even the relatively few from Uganda, (for complex reasons), following Idi Amin's 1972 expulsion order. Consequently, I can't see how there could possibly have been anything like a critical mass, able to reintroduce caste practice in Goa itself from East Africa. Further, I really have to question your point that this happened when in Goa itself these same caste prejudices were on their way out. Has caste ever been on its way out from Goa except as a form of export? I'd also like to take this opportunity to note two other points linked to recent related correspondence on Goanet: a) I believe that those who have expressed their enthusiasm for return to Goa from the more distant Goan Diaspora, invariably hang on to their foreign passports and do not, (unless 'forced' to), settle for Indian nationality which would surely be the firmest test of their intentions. b) re Mario's point about the occupations of the Goans in East Africa, by and large, they were in lower middle-class occupations, predominantly in the civil service but also in banking, insurance and other similar openings. They generally provided reliable clerical services for generations. However, there were others in the professions like doctors, engineers, architects, teachers, including school principals, and higher administrative workers, managers and lawyers too. There were still others in the catering and technical services and in enterprises like tailoring, pharmacy, the motor/transport trade, hotel and tourist services and in varied businesses. Regards, Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. Also Fred lives in Saligao, which despite a veneer of advancement still has a lot of caste discrimination among the Catholics. This is mostly because of the large number of East African Goans who brought their prejudices back with them, when in Goa itself these same caste prejudices were on their way out.
Re: [Goanet]Hell Raiser- 2
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Hell Raiser- 2 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:04:20 -0700 (PDT) --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, You don't quite understand. I am a very serious person in certain matters. Since you spoke so much about a HELL it is but appropriate that you explain to us what hell is. Or don't you have a clue either? If you were speaking in jest, or just shooting off your mouth, then just say so. I will understand and ask someone who knows if indeed there is a hell and what it is supposed to be like. Mario replies: Cecil, you will find out soon enough what heaven or hell is exactly like. My dear Mario, Your above statement leaves totally askance: How could poor Cecil, you or I, ever find out, hopefully later than sooner what heaven or hell is exactly like. With the exception of JC, who sojourned down under a couple of days after his terrible ordeal on the Calvary, and was fully cognizant of heaven before and has been since then I know of no other, except characters in Mangy jokes that have experienced both. You do put us in an advanced theological connundrum. If poor C. goes down there will he be enabled to fetch his water-melons, considering reported high degrees of temperature obtained in the intrepid Luciffer's kingdom? My only source for the obligatory permanent 'sauna' available there is old Dante. Could you please enlighten? Alfred de T. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Goa's Forts
Jorge, haven't you forgotten Anjediva. I think that was the very first bastion erected by the Portuguese in that region of Malabar. The Rachol fortifications played an important role in the Christianization of South Goa. The village must be a veritable mine of archaological goodies. Alfred From: Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's Forts Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:03:12 +0200 Some other forts that I can remember: Corjuem, on the island of the same name, belonging to Aldona village Betul (a very small fort) Cabo de Rama, in Canacona taluka Alorna (or Halarn) fort in Pernem taluka Nanuz (or remnants of it) in Satari taluka Long walls and the Viceroys' Arch which belonged to the fort surrounding Old Goa The arch which was part of the Rachol fort. There are remnants of a fort also at Dona Paula. And there used to be a small fort, called Gaspar Dias fort, in the locality which itself used to be known as Gaspar Dias and is now called Miramar, between Panjim and Caranzalem. Jorge - Original Message - From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: [Goanet]Goa's Forts corrected.. This is not a game pl. === Can any one help?? Just want to know the names of all Forts in Goa including its location. No matter how small or big, whether just a wall remains etc (it can be even just outside Goa) You just name it (if u know, with location) and I will do the rest. Following Forts I have been so far: Fort Aguada (light House) Sinquerim (Taj) Chapora (vagator) Reis Magos (opp Inox) Tirakol Pl add on.. Upon reading news item on Navhind Times on 15th May 2005, we headed for chandor only to find no Fort there. (it was said it is located near the ancient 11th century Kandamba Shiva Temple) there, we ask a house of 3 people, some youth at the road junction next to the temple site, and a shop none of them were aware of the said fort, Knocked at the doors of two old portuguese houses but no answer, we came home disapointed. I am sure there is one but the locals are not aware of it. They even said the Ruins of Shiva Temple is the same as Fort. I wish the writer in the NT gave his contact details etc . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miramar _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: [Goanet]Learn Tamil, Speak Basque !!
From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Learn Tamil, Speak Basque !! Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) They call themselves the Uzkhaddi, it is Vasco locally, i have no idea of the Basque word origin, guess we can blame our Cecil again, and as the Spanish would say, Berry good. They have 400 words in common with Tamil, and not one with Sanskrit, so Indo-European eludes them. They are the sole survivors in Europe of the pre-Ugarithic diaspora, a post-Bantu people who dominated the Rift Valley, the Nile Valley, and lost the Indo-Gangetic plain to you can guess who ! Someday soon, i am convinced, Cornel will prevail, and Gilbert will be banished to his former lair: the the King Edward Memorial and Tata Cancer Surgical Consultancy !eric. Eric, do you know if Finnish has any ties/origin the Ugarithic language. Or, if you know how it originated? It is not akin to any of the Scandinavian tongues, nor Russia, nor the Baltic ones. Alfred _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Goan-Canadian or Canadian-Goan? What is the right term?
Bosco D'Mello wrote: I am after all a GOAN CANADIAN! =
[Goanet]USSR - unfriendly?
Jose Colaco wrote: Is the same USSR which entraped Indian diplomats and military 'attaches' with the help of Ruskie chicks (read KGB agents) and then blackmailed them into photographing Indian trade secrets? Is this the same USSR which dragged India into the quagmire of regressive Socialist inertia? Is this the same USSR that sold India suboptimal technology (for want of a better of a better word)? Is this the same USSR which fought for democracy and against Imperialism around the world but kept the various Soviet Gulags and Cuba as its colonies (read place to suppress Freedom)? Is this the same USSR which cracked wide open? A friend? ...give me a break! Chains with weights tied round the feet is more like it. No wonder the mindset of Indians ... is that Andaman is still Indian! Bravo! I say to those who are still Commie-ized Dear Jose, I could as easily pick a number of similar points and prove how USA was unfriendly, or UK. Anyway, I don't want to get involved in a 'international politics' debate that interests very few here on GoaNet *chuckle*. What I was trying to suggest to Bosco is that it is not fair to condemn an entire country, and its people, on the basis of a few decisions of its political leaders. Criticising an individual (eg. George Bush) or a party (eg. Republicans) is acceptable but one doesn't refer to an entire country as 'unfriendly' or whatever. Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet]Amnesty report slams Gujarat, USA....
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200505260360.htm Amnesty report slams Gujarat on rights violation Kochi, May 26 (UNI): Stating that perpetrators of human rights violations continued to enjoy immunity from punishment in many cases, Amnesty International today said the Gujarat state authorities had failed to bring to book those responsible for widespread violence in 2002. In its annual report for 2005, simultaneously released in London and here on Wednesday, the international human rights watchdog also slammed the US Government for displaying a huge gap between rhetoric and reality in its repeated use of the language of justice and freedom. This gap was starkly illustrated by the failure to conduct a full and independent investigation into the appalling torture and ill-treatment of detainees by US soldiers in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and the failure to hold senior individuals to account. The USA, as the unrivalled political, military and economic hyper-power, sets the tone for governmental behaviour worldwide. When the most powerful country in the world thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights, it grants a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity, Amnesty International Secretary General, Irene Khan, said in the report. Receiving the copy of the report here, former Kerala High Court judge, K N Kurup, said human rights violations were not taking place only in custody. Even the lack of clean drinking water and air is a violation of the basic human right to live with dignity, he said. Among the other violations in India, the Amnesty International report alleged that security legislation was used to facilitate arbitrary arrests, torture and other grave human rights violations, often against political opponents and marginalised groups. In the north-eastern state of Manipur, local groups opposed human rights violations under the Armed Forced Special Powers Act and called for its repeal, the report noted. It also observed that India still lacked comprehensive legislation addressing domestic violence and had failed to submit overdue periodic reports to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women. On the continuing tragedy following the 1984 Bhopal gas leak disaster, the AI said that the site had still not been cleared up and toxic wastes continued to pollute the environment and groundwater. No one had been held responsible for the leak, it added. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]Violence Against Women Rampant in Asia
On 25/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Violence Against Women Rampant in Asia KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- Violence and systematic discrimination against women was rampant in Asia last year, ranging from acid attacks for unpaid dowries in Bangladesh to forced abortion in China, rape by soldiers in Nepal and domestic beatings in Australia, Amnesty International said. RESPONSE: Amnesty had this to say about the USA too! : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4580991.stm Amnesty accuses US over 'torture' US soldiers with Iraqi detainees The US is accused of damaging human rights across the world Governments around the world betrayed their commitment to human rights in 2004, Amnesty International says. In a 300-page annual report, the group accused the US government of damaging human rights with its attitude to torture and treatment of detainees. This granted a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity, the human rights advocates said. ...
[Goanet]Sottomayor /Sotomaior/Souto Maior
Name derived possibly from the valley of Souto, in Spain. Being a large locality, it was termed Maior. The first known user of it as family name was Paio Mendes Sorede de Sotomaior (XIII c.) married to Eremesenda Nunes Maldonado. The descendants moved to Portugal. Their 7th grandson, D. Pedro Alvares de Sottomayor, viscount of Tui and count of Caminha, lived for some years in Portugal after 1476. His descendant D- Pedro Taveira de Sottomayor, played an important role in the military campaigs of the Restoration of Portugal's independence from the Spanish rule in the mid 17th century. As compensation for these services, king John IV of Portugal confirmed him as Dom, and as very noble. He left numerous progeny that continued to use the family name. Their coat of arms have silver background, with three gold and red chess-bands. It also displays a red lion. There is no Sottomayor in any of the graveyard inscriptions recorded and printed by Brás Fernandes in his *Armas e Inscrições do forte de Baçaim* (Lisboa, Portuguese Academy of History, 1959) where many prominent white Portuguese descendants had their fortunes in India. However, Vol. III of Jorge Forjaz, *Os luso-descendentes da India Portuguesa* (Lisboa, Fundação Oriente, 2nd ed., 2003) has 8 pages for this family (pp. 785-792). D. Lourenço de Souto-Maior goes from Mozambique to India in 1609, and was captain of the northern fleet in 1613. Another, D. Francisco de Alarcão de Souto-maior came to India with the governor D. Rodrigo da Costa in 1707 and died in 1722. Occupied important posts in the navy. D. Diogo Manuel de Soouto-maior was born and died in Goa. Was captain of Daman and Diu in 1750s Belonged to the Misericordia de Goa. There is a Luis Filipe Valadares de Souto-Maior buried in the Church of Reis Magos (Consult the writings of Ricardo Micael Telles in *Oriente Português* for more details). Consult also Goanet archives: http://www.goanet org/pipermail/goanet-news/2004-February/000552.html Teotonio R. de Souza
RE: [Goanet]Re: Homosexuality normal / abnormal 2
Dear Santosh, Thank you for putting up the link to website for the American Psychological Association. As you will recall that I did include in my e mail a copyright at the bottom of article concerning the same Association. Another site which you may find of interest for all involved in this discussion on homosexuality is http://www.jeffreymichael.com/glbt_links.htm I generally sit on the sidelines and read all the messages which fly on the Goa-Net and its noteworthy that everyone should contribute in the discussions as this is the only way we can finally destroy the myths and find the truth however bitter it may be for some to accept. We just Have to take one day at a time and then overcome the prejudices which we have been brain washed to believe as being absolute truths. There are no absolute truths just discoveries! Kind Regards Dr. Joaquim DeSouza -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Santosh Helekar Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jose colaco Subject: [Goanet]Re: Homosexuality normal / abnormal 2 Kevin Saldanha wrote: A few comments made by various learned people recently made me question the level of common knowledge about homosexuality until Dr. Joaquim DeSouza took the time and trouble to get us all on the same page. It is important to point out that the information on homosexuality that Dr. Joaquim DeSouza posted is taken from the following website of the American Psychological Association: http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html Those who have followed this discussion on Goanet might remember that it was posted for the first time in that forum about a couple of weeks back with the proper link. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]konkani Songs MP3 'Top collection' Vol.2...... a review
Manfa music has carefully selected 50 songs, all are good except the one sung by Marcelin de Betim titled 'Don Panam' All song was about Churchill and hence the title of the song should have been 'Churchill bab' He says, -Don Panan sent him Delhi by defeating Congress 'Hand'. -As a Chief Minister, he has done so much in 15 days that others could not do in 15 years. -Churchill is compared to Bahu Saib (First CM of Goa) -Ghorjebhair teje misgotik gelear te politician urchenant. -Xinkop asloleank and xinkop nasloleank tannem disco nachoila. -Churchil bab zindabad Dont know why this song was chosen, perhaps, the producers themselves are Churchill supporters. It may be ok, when it sung live in tiatr etc We buy CD not just during the election time but as souvenir- to keep it going through out its life time. Thats only my opinion. The song 'Viva La Goa' (by Aurvile Melque) was my favourite. for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Science, religion and Dr Helekar
On 25/05/05, sandeep heble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his essay Is There a God? the great Philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote: . It is no exaggeration to say that the future progress of human society will be impaired by the continuing influence of superstition, pseudoscience, and religion in public and state affairs. What kind of World do we wish to live in; do we wish to live in a World that builds barriers and promotes violence and hatred in the name of God? Do we wish to live in a World where superstitions and myths continue to play strong roles in the society? Must Religion be allowed to warp a child's mind from being inquiring, or acquiring a thirst for knowledge? Does freedom of religion mean the freedom to impose religious dogma on society? Does freedom of religion mean the right of religious believers to use public forums, facilities and resources to promote their irrational beliefs? Cheers Sandeep Heble Panaji-Goa RESPONSE: Nice article, which brings us to the moot point. India and Indians are a deeply religious lot. Hence progress will be impaired. Europe on the other hand is moving away from religion, so we should see much progress? So Halur your contention that India will achieve much seems at variance with Sandeep. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet] Can Dr. Helekar admit he lost his cool?
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Helekar, it is disappointing to see you persist in your claim that I called you names during the Battle of the Behinds. I always use epithets advisedly, and rarely retract real targeted name calling I have engaged in, as Mervyn will confirm. In this case, I really believe I did not use any epithets against you, just spirited comments. This I would consider is name-calling: DEFENDER OF AIDS-INFECTED DRUG USERS If this name was not repeatedly called, and if there was no history of such name-calling, then I would not have made my spirited comments. I have been called many things in the past and since, and have been spuriously accused of various offenses (Please check the Goanet and Goa-Goans archives to verify). But I have never lost my cool. I have used one of the following strategies in my responses, all done in a deliberate manner to simply discourage my opponent in debate from persisting in such name-calling: 1. I have completely ignored the name-calling, especially if done infrequently or occasionally. 2. I have used sarcasm in response. 3. I have mocked the behavior, sometimes invoking my alter-ego, President Pandurang Fernandes. 4. I have sent in an over-dramatized response, consisting of what one Goanet Administrator referred to as adjective-laced admonishment. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Peon takes Rs.100 per birth certificate, what would be the charges of a minister ??
Charges (Bribe). Peon's : Need your birth certificate? leave your details on a piece of paper and come back tomorrow/MONDAY. Or give Rs.100 and take it within an hour. Lower/Upper Division Clerk: ..seen reading newspaper or chatting with other colleagues or on the phone (personal) for hours. Look we are very busy these days, huge backlog to clear, you come after 2 weeks. ...Please, I pay Rs.1000 for 'cha-panni'? ..Ok, I see, what I can do for you, come after some time. Sarpanch: Sarpanch bab, please help me with my new house which was built without proper plans. ..Give Rs.5000 (10,000 for NRIs) and I will take care of it 'Tum susegad rau'. Minister: Please clear or approve my building project file. I give you Rs.25,000. ..Kitem re ? Tum maka chonne dita so dista mure.. The would be minister like Babush/Monserate has.. 4 lakhs in cash 34 lakhs in Bank deposits/shares etc 14 lakhs in Gold Ornament 84 lakhs Advances (given) 16 Nos. Kinetic Scooters 5 nos other motor cycles 7 Nos Posh cars 10 Nos. shops (Rs.45 lakhs) 11 Nos. Flats/Bungalows (including one in Bangalore) 2 Nos. Plots (19 lakhs) Above is as per declaration at the time of filing the nomination papers (candidate for Taligao constituency) Real value could be 10 times more. Rs.25,000 would be rally like 'Chonne' to the ministers like him. / Please do not vote for any one but vote for JoeGoaUk. He really needs to make huge/quick money to buy himself a big bungalow at Dona Paula (only Rs.80 lakhs), Two new cars Scorpio and the latest from maruti (Rs.20 lakhs), 32 Kinetic Scooters to distribute to his blood sucking friends (15 lakhs) Diamond jewelry set to his european wife (10 lakhs). Let him be a minister just for 6 months and then he will resign, new elections, let some one else make money too. This way, election every six months i.e. give chance to every one to be a minister and to make quick money. See, he really cares about you all. Remember, on 2nd June, Vote for JoeGoaUk (independent- can support any party) \ for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]WHO COMES FIRST IN YOUR MIND??
There was this guy who loved two gals at the same time but he didn't know which one he loved more. Someone taught him. Ask yourself this question and answer it honestly : When you are happy, which gal would you want to share your happiness with? The one you think of is someone you love. Ask yourself another question and answer it honestly : When you are sad, which gal you want to share your burden with? The one you think of is also someone you love. If you think of the same gal when you are happy sad, that's the most perfect. But if you don't think of the same gal, I would advise you to chose the one you are willing to share your sadness with. In life, there are more sorrows than happiness. There are too many people that u meet that u can share your happiness with, not necessary your lover. If you live your life happily, you can also enjoy it alone. In sadness, however, there are not many people willing to share your burden with you. If you are willing to tell someone your happiness, I am sure that person has got to be someone close an understanding person to you. But it shouldn't stop there. If that person only thinks of you when she is happy, but looks for someone else when she is sad, this lover is too unstable, she doesn't treat you as someone she can spend the rest of her life with. Of course, I will be very happy if I am the first person to share her happiness. But, if she is sad, I will be too willing to stay by her side ease her pain. Only then, will I believe that I hold a very important position in her heart. If you are sad, who comes to your mind first?
[Goanet]Goa University signs MoU with Kokum Foundation
Press Release Greening Goa University Through Participation of Society The Western Ghats Kokum Foundation[WGKF], a registered society, and the Goa University have signed a Memorandum of Understanding by which WGKF will undertake the greening of the Goa University campus by raising funds from various philantrophic individuals, groups and companies who would like to invest in a better environment for generations of students and faculty at this only University in Goa. The MoU was signed by the Registrar, Dr.Jayant Budkuley, on behlf of Goa University and Chairman of WGKF, Dr.Ajit Shirodkar, on behalf of the Society in the presence of the Vice-Chancellor, Prof. P.S.Zacharias. The Head of the designated Nodal Department, Prof.D.Jayarama Bhat and the Executive Engineer Mr.V.L. Dharesh Sawkar of the Goa University and Vice-Chairman Mr.P.G.Kakodkar, Treasurer Mr.Shreekant Joshi and Jt.Secretary Mr.Miguel Braganza of the WGKF were also present at the simple function to exchange the MoU. The first phase of the MoU implementation will be formally launched on 07 June, 2005[ Mrig] with tree plantation in the existing State Bank of India sponsorred fruit orchard. This plantation, initiated in the early 1990s, will be spruced up, dead and damaged trees appropriately treated and systematic planting taken up in the vacant area available for planting. The fence will be mended, where needed. Access will be created for students of the University and residents of the campus to enjoy the shade and other benefits from the existing trees. Stone seats and benches will be installed to make this plantation a living space for all to enjoy.The costs of these improvements will be met through generous sponsorships obtained by the WGKF for this project from the State Bank of India[SBI] and the Multi-Commodity Exchange of India[ MCEI] . Further planting will be undertaken in this orchard along with the students during the month of June, including Founder's Day, after the academic year begins on 15 June, 2005. Discussions have been initiated on the plant for the entire campus, including the main NIO Circle to GMC road that passes through the Goa University campus. Shri Mohamad Fazl [former Governor of Goa and ex-officio Chancellor of Goa University who now resides near International Centre-Goa], Ms.Anju A.Timblo, Managing Director of Hotel Cidade de Goa, and other citizens have expressed interest to participate in the avenue planting from NIO Circle to Goa University. Mr. P.G.Kakodkar has been instrumental in planting Raintrees and Terminalia along the Marine by-pass from Mirmar Circle to NIO Circle five years back with funds from SBI. He has also helped raise the SBI Forest at Tirupathi-Tirumala Devastan complex in Andhra Pradesh. Now his entire focus is on his native land, Goa. At the age of seventy he has the enthusiasm of a seventeen year old when it comes to tree planting. There can be no looking back, except with pride in a job well done. With PGK there is just no other way! The MoU goes beyond social investment in tree planting and nurturing of the trees planted for a period of five years, with a express desire to extend it by another five years by mutual consent. It is the WGKF's desire and aim to bring the trees to fruit and then hand them over exclusively to the Goa University establishment for maintenance and utilization. Fruit trees are specially selected to make the latest varieties identified by the Dr.Balasaheb Sawant Konkan Krishi Vidyapeeth's Regional Fruit Research Station at Vengurla and the ICAR Research Centre at Ela-Old Goa available on the campus. Trees that attract birds, butterflies and other flying creatures by their fragrance, nectar and fruits will be identified and planted. Dr.D.Jayarama Bhat Professor Head , GU Department of Botany, will interact with the teaching faculty and research fellows in the Departments of Botany and Zoology at the Goa University and affiliated colleges to identify such trees. The WGKF will also tap the vast knowledge and experience of its members and associates in the Botanical Society of Goa[BSG], Worldwide Fund for Nature[WWF-N], Centre for Environment Education[CEE], The Energy Research Institute [TERI], Directorate of Agriculture, ICAR-Goa, Forest Department and other agencies to enhance the quality and delivery of the project. On the research side, the MoU seeks to set up collaborative projects for the advancement of knowledge and technology in the cultivation,post-harvest handling and processing of Garcinia indica,Choisy , commonly known as Kokum or brindonna. Kokum trees of various varieties will be included in the campus biodiversity. The project on preparation of Kokum wine, currently done as a pilot project by JRF Ms.K. Phadte under the guidance of Dr.Nandkumar Kamat of the Botany Department would be scaled up and other projects added on as may be decided from time to time. Dr.D.Jayaram Bhat is the designated Nodal Officer representing the Goa University in
