[Goanet]Einstein, Bose, Gandhi
UN has dedicated this year to Physics. From what I know, Bose in Calcutta was recognized by his peers in India only after Einstein acknowledged his statistical error as no error! Bosons entered into the new physics as a result! India has also the Raman effect to its credit in the realm of modern physics. Independently from these scientific contributions, Einstein was an admirer of Gandhi. Perhaps more than of Tagore. I would appreciate any comments from our goanetters Teotonio R. de Souza
Re: [Goanet]Gilbert's house-guests
--- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilbert Lawrence wrote: About fifteen years ago, we were living very comfortably in our home in the USA with our teenage daughter. One day an affable Goan relative comes from Canada to visit us and pend some time with us. But the relative comes with their live-in lover. Should I make this relative: 1. Very much at home and make the persons an example to my kid. Mario replies: I assume Gilbert is speaking of a hetero couple. When we were faced with such a situation several years ago, we described the woman, with her acquiescense, to our kids as our relative's fiance, and made the couple sleep in separate bedrooms. They had the sense and grace to refrain from any public shows of affection in front of the kids.
[Goanet]When and to what extent should priests/nuns be involved in politics
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *--The Church should not get involved in partisan politics, except when a party is against human rights... --- Mario Goveia asks: Is the right to be born after conception a human right? During the last US Presidential elections, John Kerry, a Catholic who voted against a ban on partial-birth abortions, was warned by several US Bishops that he would be refused Holy Communion in their dioceses. These Bishops were strongly supported by the Vatican in taking this stand. Was this partisan politics, or just putting their foot down on a politician publicly defying a major doctrine of the Catholic Church, while professing to be a Catholic? response The Holy Communion refusal charade is a classic reason for the Catholic Church to be FAR AWAY from partisan politics. I support the Right to be Born after conception as a Human Right. BUT, I cannot OFFER one, the Human Right to be born and takeaway another's (Mother's) Human Right to live . .(and to look after the other children who are alive and well) IF the pregnancy is (say) anencephalic ... or IF the Mother's life is in imminent danger. That (just in case the partisan folks do not tell you) is the ONLY proviso under which the partial-birth abortions can be carried out IF the Woman's Life is in imminent Danger. But then perhaps the Man's life should have been in danger. May be then ...the Holy Communion charade would have been missing in action. Talking about a major doctrine of the Catholic Church ... One is THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Is Holy Communion being denied to Catholics who support the Death penalty? Returning to the Vatican: - Did Catholics follow ALL the Vatican PLEADINGS of 2003? To the credit of the Catholic Church, it has consistently ( after that horrible Inquisition ) been absolutely and totaly against both abortion and the death penalty. It has the only true Pro-Life position. No wonder the Vatican told those Latin American Liberation Theologians to either leave priesthood OR leave violent company. I trust that those who doubt - will read widely and see the wisdom of the Vatican in that matter. jc Hammer Tong Inc.(;-) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]BJP lies and distortions - expose by Tehelka
As the June 2005 bye-elections loom, it appears as though the BJP's bid of reclaiming the kodel has been stymied by the Judiciary. Even so, Goans who support the BJP's communal agenda may wish to read the following from Tehelka entire article at http://www.tehelka.com/story_main12.asp?filename=ts060405Demolishers_in.asp Demolishers in the dock Former UP Chief Minister Kalyan Singh IGNORED state intelligence inputs on the threat to the Babri mosque in 1992, and LIED to the Centre in a secret communication. Former Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani MISQUOTED Nehru to justify the elaborate rituals for the construction of the Ram temple. These facts were revealed during their cross-examination by the Liberhan Commission of Inquiry probing the outrage. Ajmer Singh reports In their written statements to the commission, Kalyan Singh and LK Advani WRONGLY claimed that the VHP owned the disputed land The Babri Masjid demolition inquiry and the cross-examination of key witnesses by the Liberhan Commission of Inquiry, which is currently on, has exposed some of the blatant LIES of the Kalyan Singh government, which was in power at that time in UP. It is now revealed that Kalyan Singh, as the chief minister, had written intelligence inputs about the threat to the disputed structure from the state police, but he LIED about it in a secret communication to the Government of India. Even the Central governments secret communication, in this context, was ignored by the state government. Moreover, former Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani and Singh, in their written statements to the commission, wrongly claimed that the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (vhp) owned the disputed land, which in fact belonged to the government. The commission records, accessed by Tehelka, also reveal that Advani DISTORTED facts regarding reconstruction of the Somnath temple, while drawing parallels with the Ram temple. (see box) A few months before the demolition, Singh had written to the Centre that security arrangements were in place and there was no threat to the Babri Masjid, even though the state government had received an intelligence report suggesting a serious threat to the disputed structure, as some security barricades had been removed and massive digging and levelling work had begun around the complex. The Union home ministry had also cautioned the state government about the threat to the structure. Tehelka is in possession of the secret report dated June 7, 1992, prepared by the intelligence wing of the UP police and signed by the then Superintendent of Police, GK Shukla, and the goi secret reports dated May 29, May 30 and June 3, 1992. Former Union Minister of State for Home MM Jacob had written to the chief minister that there was a deliberate attempt to raze the structure, and that some speakers had declared that the next phase of the Ram temple would involve the demolition of the Babri Masjid. According to the state intelligence report dated June 7, 1992 (translated from Hindi): After the levelling work around the disputed structure and dumping of earth towards the western side, security arrangements of the disputed structure have weakened. The removal of the outer security ring has made access to the disputed structure much easier, and dumping of earth near the barricades towards western and southern sides have further facilitated access. Towards the western side of the disputed structure, iron gates have been installed to prevent entry, but it is not safe in the absence of barbed wire and locks, as anyone can enter the disputed structure after opening the gate. The report further stated: In order to bring a bad name to the bjp government and create serious problems for the district administration, any determined or anti-social element or Opposition party could damage the disputed structure. After levelling work was carried out around the disputed structure, security personnel (Provincial Armed Constabulary) did not stay as alert as they were earlier, and followers of the vhp and Bajrang Dal were rarely stopped by them. There is a need to reconsider and strengthen security arrangements within the Ram Janmabhoomi/Babri Masjid disputed structure. The Singh government, after receiving this report, forwarded a contradictory report (in possession of Tehelka, dated June 16, 1992) to the Centre. The report said that there was no let-up in the security of the structure, and after the construction of the perimeter wall, security arrangements are stronger than before. It said, sentries were on duty 24 hours, closed circuit cameras were in place, and devotees were being searched. It also said that there was no threat to the structure from digging or levelling and there would be no water-logging. I assure you that from time to time security arrangements are being reviewed and security of the disputed structure is of utmost importance to the state, Singh said in his letter. full article
[Goanet]Virus From Emirates
Is any one getting emails with viruses attached from the Emirates I am getting many and while they can not infect my systems they are becoming a pain especially when i am away from my systems and need to access email with my Palm over a mobile phone link. Can we ask all our friends in the Emirates check their computers for viruses. Dave -- David Futers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newbiggin by the Sea http://www.futers.org Northumberland NE64 6NL UNITED KINGDOM
Re: [Goanet] going hammer tongs on Science and Values
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Santosh and Fr. Ivo, We are indeed seeing some movement in the thought process . ... Morality ? depends whose Morals? Dear Jose, As you know, my humble quest has always been to get folks to admit once and for all that their beliefs regarding morality, spirituality, theism, or any such matters come from their own parochial faiths - nothing more, nothing less. Is it asking too much for people to concede that their private convictions may not have any currency or applicability to all and sundry subscribers of a secular public forum such as this one? Time and again in this forum, as well as elsewhere, I have found that most people refuse to do so. They try their darnedest to advance all kinds of rationalizations and justifications, sometimes even audaciously claiming that their particular insular beliefs are supported by science and reason, or by some highfaluting scholastic or vedic notions. Why use such contrivances when they can simply state with a clear conscience that they believe in something because it is written in their sacred book, or because it has been uttered by their most revered authority? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Violence Against Women Rampant in Asia
On 27/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: I was kidding you because I do not understand your relentless hostility towards the US and your support for the brutality of the Saddam Hussain regime. .. Furthermore, you would have had far more credibility if you had shown some awareness of what Iraq was really like under your buddy, Saddam. RESPONSE: You are again bringing debate to a low, low point. I have stated before, but obviously you have great difficulty in taking in information proffered on a plate to you - I repeat again! I am quite sure, that there is not one person on Goanet who supports or had supported Saddam Hussein. Now why don't you jump on yer bike and take a ride, as stated by a former U.K. Government Minister Norman Tebbit. Truly, you have one heck of a way of bringing people to dislike you to the point, of getting them to the brink of being abusive towards you - but heck you couldn't care less, as usual! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Argam Tuka Dhonia - A tiatr review
ARGAM TUKA DHONIA Written and Directed by TONY DIAS Ask any teenager or an unemployed Goan lad, as to what he is presently doing or what he wishes to do and you will hear him promptly say Aum Bott-ir Asam/Oitam (I am employed /am looking forward to work on the Cruise Liners). Tony Dias, popularly known in the Tiatr World as History Creator, under the banner of Conny Enterprises, uses this latest fad among Goan lads of striking it rich in his splendidly weaved masterpiece Argam Tuka Dhonia. The writer- director illustrates the dream voyage from the Goan soil to the vast open oceans. The magic and efficacy of Tony Dias previous venture Ti Mhoji Mai part I, II III, Musical Show Bombay to Goa and Kor Mhojem Kalliz Tujea Kallza Sarkem and the spellbinding performances of the little wonders of the Konkani stage, prompted a huge audience for the premiere show of Argam Tuka Dhonia - much to the surprise and chagrin of many tiatr goers who had to return back for lack of tickets. This is a classic example of public appreciation of good show business and confidence in the directors technical expertise to wield the tools for a fascinating performance. It was indeed a treat to the eyes to watch the Hitman of Konkani Stage * Sylvester Vaz* coming from Kuwait to perform in Argam Tuka Dhonia, introduce in his superb title song and equally graceful voice the young; and budding stars of the evening: Shruti, Sonia, Royston, Jr. Chico, Victor, Hazel, Alliston, Franky and Baldwin. These little wonders kept the audience glued to their seats with their superb renditions of some powerful and variety theme Solos, Duets, Duos and Trio. While Tony Dias efficiently dished out a different concept with juniors having the cream and crust on stage in Ti Mhoji Mai - Parts I, II III and Kor Mhojem Kalliz Tujea Kallza Sarkem, with Argam Tuka Dhonia the seniors strike back with revenge and near to perfection center stage performances. The senior cast includes Sylvester Vaz, Jessie, Irene, Menino Mario, Mario de Vasco, Filu, Willy, Antonette, Philip, Franklin, Rizby, and Aurelio, while Comedian Marcus, Joana and for the first time Comedian Twins Anthony Rosario kept tickling the ribs with laugh riot sequences. Sylvester Vaz delivers a punchy performance along with Jessie Mario de Vasco supporting in stellar roles. The most powerful performance was put up by Philip Almieda. A rare feat deserving a mention is the huge, mind-blowing Hollywood-like setting with special light effects on-stage which scores full points for Argam Tuka Dhonia. The opening song special curtain, the exteriors and interiors of a newly built two storeyed posh bungalow, is a feast to the eyes. After many years has a director opted for mix of talent, good script, good music and splendid on-stage setting. Tony Dias and his troupe deserve a pat on the back for their superb performances. Finally, for a good performance, we can really say ARGAM TUKA DHONIA Augusto Gracy Morais Ribandar-Goa28/05/2005 http://www.goa-world.com/goa/credit/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Exclusive to http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter
[Goanet]THOUGHT OF THE DAY
The only way we can ever teach a child to say I am Sorry is for him to hear it from our lips first.
[Goanet]Re: Poll on sexual attitudes
Santosh, If it can be of any use for the ongoing debate I will fetch and translate the material mentioned. i am posting specimen info releases. I am more a fator than dotor but the famously renowned Karolinska Institute have me on their list of information, and keep me religiously informed, about their excellent research. As you know, they select the annual Nobel laureates in medicine. Perhaps they want to donate me a prize or hope I will donate then my various organs for helping their laureates-in-waiting achieve their laurels. Alfred From : Karolinska Institutet Email blocked Sent : Monday, May 9, 2005 11:00 PM To : Alfred de Tavares[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Homosexuella män reagerar på manliga feromoner (Homosexual men react on male fermones.) Brakets mine. Homosexuella män reagerar på manliga feromoner En testosteronliknande doft som stimulerar den del av den kvinnliga hjärnan som är inblandad i det sexuella beteendet, stimulerar homosexuella män på ett likartat sätt. Heterosexuella män däremot blir inte stimulerade på samma sätt. Det visas i en publikation från Karolinska Institutet. §§ From : Karolinska Institutet Email blocked Sent : Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:02 PM To : Alfred de Tavares[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Rolf Luft Award 2005 Rolf Luft Award 2005 Stephen ORahilly, professor vid Cambridge University, Storbritannien, tilldelas årets Rolf Luft Award. Han får priset för sina forskningsinsatser inom diabetes och fetma. (Breakthrough on diabetis and obesity) Genom att studera patienter som skiljer sig starkt från övriga i befolkningen, exempelvis extremt feta individer, har professor Stephen ORahilly kunnat identifiera en rad genetiska mutationer som kan kopplas till både diabetes och fetma. §§ From : Karolinska Institutet Email blocked Sent : Friday, May 20, 2005 10:49 AM To : Alfred de Tavares[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Forskarmöte i Stockholm om hjärna och kön Forskarmöte i Stockholm om hjärna och kön (The research congress in Stockholm on brains and gender) Ett intressant område för medicinska forskare att undersöka är hjärnans plasticitet. Det är känt sedan tidigare att det finns en del fysiologiska skillnader i hjärnans struktur och funktion mellan kvinnor och män. Men det är fortfarande en gåta hur dessa skillnader formas, dvs. hur dessa fysiologiska skillnader utvecklas under livets gång genom bland annat arv, hormoner och miljöfaktorer. Sex differences in the human brain, their mechanisms and implications är ett Nobel Mini Symposium som hålls på måndagen den 23 maj klockan 9-17 i Nobel Forum, Nobels väg 1, Karolinska Institutets campus i Solna.
[Goanet]SENSIBLE STANCE ON MOPA/DABOLIM
Once Mopa is built, we can kiss goodbye to Dabolim.[Goanet/carlos, May 28] The name of the game (if you havent it realised yet) is precisely to build Mopa while ensuring that Dabolim remains a civilian facility! The people of Goa need two full fledged airports not the apology for one as at present. Its not going to be easy by any means. Unfortuntaely a big part of the problem is the constantly shifting ground as exemplified by your post which trashes statements made by our own politicians in Parliament! How does one achieve traction on an issue in this kind of a situation? Beats me! P.S. Playing the card of politicial cynicism is OK if it was not combined with an incipient tendency to defeatism bordering on irresponsibility towards Goa -- esp in a goanet functionary!
Re: [Goanet]Re: Emails from Mario Goveia's address
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada maintains influence over just one country. Mario replies: If you think US immigrants are second class citizens because we cannot run for US President, while Canadian immigrants are first class citizens while being called Pakis by their own in-laws, then so be it. This reminds me of my psychiatrist friend who warns me that it is futile to feel sorry for his patients, most of whom feel sorry for the rest of us. Mervyn Lobo writes: Your emails clearly identifies ONLY the address they were sent from. Mario replies: Since only YOU seem to have a problem figuring out who is sending emails from my address, you will have to either figure out your dilemma on your own, or be kept in a state of suspense of your own making.
Re: [Goanet]Returning..........................
Vivian, My view is not based on any systematic study on this topic but it is more than a shot in the dark. I have innumerable contacts who have decided to try and make a go in Goa, usually for retirement purposes after a long time in the West. However, they have not burnt their boats. Not one of them has given up the foreign passport. But I do not doubt that there will be some who have done so. However, do you know of any Vivian? Have you done so yourself? Of course, I could be proven wrong if there is evidence that a significant number have surrendered their foreign citizenship to live permanently in Goa. I do hope you might throw some light on this issue Vivian. Regards, Cornel - Original Message - From: Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: [Goanet]Returning.. Cornel says that those who return to India from abroad invariably hang on to their foreign passports. Does Cornel have facts to support this contention or is this a shot in the dark ???
[Goanet]A tribute to Indians, by Jack Welch
Live News Indian intellect overwhelms me: Jack Welch 5/23/2005 1:00:00 PM Indian companies should also follow the rule of 20-70-10, according to which companies should nurture their top 20% employees, encourage the middle 70% and weed out the lowest 10%, feels former CEO and Ex-Chairman of General Electric, Jack Welch. Welch is very positive about India and Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh. He also paid glowing tribute to Indian managers and technocrats. Excerpts from CNBC-TV18'S exclusive interview with Jack Welch: On whether the 20-70-10 rule should be employed by Indian companies too: Yes why not, if you always want to have the best cricket players on the team and you do not keep the bad cricket players, then why keep the bad employees? Today, when I talked to 1000 young entrepreneurs in America, and then I talked about 20:70:10, I got a standing ovation. Thriving and winning companies know you have to put the best players on the field. Having said that, I am too kind to lay off the bottom 10. That is not kind, that is cruel. Keeping people until they get older and then dealing with them is not kind at all. On advice to Indian managers, people trying to tap into US markets: I think they are doing well. I was in Atlanta three weeks ago and of the top 20 companies in Atlanta, 10 are run by Indians. I think they know how well to do it. It is always how you utilise the genuineness and intelligence of Indians, which is enormous. For the past 20 years, I have been overwhelmed with the intellect of the Indians. On what is special among Indian managers: Their abilities, their sensitivity is among the most important. They are extremely hard working and they are honest as can be and you can trust their word. Look, I am a crazy fan of India, I love India, I love Indians, I have got nothing but success while dealing with them and I do not have a critical word for India. Besides, I love the new Prime Minister. I have known him for so many years and India is so lucky to have a leader like that. On whether there are things to learn for US companies from their counterparts in India and China: I think everybody can learn from each other and the learning is part of winning companies formula. I am always open to ideas from anywhere, so I think we can learn from each other all the time. We have learned a lot from our relation with Wipro and see what Azim Premji has done there, absolutely fantastic job.
[Goanet]Re: Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Someone using the account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gibberish from Mervyn, who has delusions of living in an influential world power called Canada, continues unabated. dude(s) Canada maintains influence over just one country. That country is one which denies citizens like you, the rights its other citizens have. We are working on your problem and will soon convince Bush that ALL citizens should have unalienable rights. In the meantime, thank you for waiting in pain outside your emergency wards and sending those health care savings up to Canada. Now, that's what influence is all about :-) Since every one of my emails clearly identifies whom they are from, and no one else seems to have a problem with whom the message is from, I can only conclude that the hallucinations seem to be spreading to other issues. dude(s) Your emails clearly identifies ONLY the address they were sent from. You have repeatedly not answered my simple questions in private correspondence and those questions that you have chosen to answer from public questions are contradictory and seem to be coming from multiple personalities. I have no problems dealing with (unsigned) multiple personalities. My concern is that there are people here who want to be, and who behave like first class members of Goanet. Then there are others who behave like. Mervyn3.0 You don't need help fallin' down but a hand up sure is welcome. From Savvy Sayin's, True Wisdom from The Real West. Collected by Ken Alstad.
[Goanet]Re: Fr. Ivo on Dr. Helekar 2
Querido Ivo, I feel that the distinction that you seek to draw from empiristsitss could be best obtained from a comparison with Kipplinng and Saumerset Maugn on one hand and Twain on the other. Alfred
Re: [Goanet]Re: When and to what extent should priests/nuns be involved in politics?
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *--The Church should not get involved in partisan politics, except when a party is against human rights... Mario asks: Is the right to be born after conception a human right? During the last US Presidential elections, John Kerry, a Catholic who strongly supports abortion on demand, and even voted against a ban on partial-birth abortions, was warned by several US Bishops that he would be refused Holy Communion in their dioceses. These Bishops were strongly supported by the Vatican in taking this stand. Was this partisan politics, or just putting their foot down on a politician publicly defying a major doctrine of the Catholic Church, while professing to be a Catholic?
[Goanet]Promoting Goa University
Dear Goans/ Goa lovers, The letter reproduced below has been published in the oHERALDo newspaper on 27 May, 2005. Many persons who met me [or phoned in] said they agreed with the views that I have articulated therein. The Goa University needs our support. I am happy to inform you that the oHERALDo carried on the same day a news item that the Western Ghats Kokum Foundation [WGKF]has signed a MoU with the goa University to plant different tree species on the Goa University campus and the road leading to it from NIO Circle, Dona Paula. The State Bank of India, which had funded a mini orchard at Goa University in the early 1990s has loosened its purse-strings again. The funds are routed through the WGKF. The Multi Commodity Exchange of India [MCX] is also funding the project. The Chowgules[ Ravi Chowgule] have assured that they will make rock breaker JCB and other equipment available for excavating pits on the rocky campus. I am putting the experience gained in doing just this at Goa University[ in 1991-93] at the disposal of the University for free. You are invited to join the effort. Write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to contribute to the building up of the Goa University's environment. Let it show case the best of Goa and not become a poor second to Aldeia de Goa, Paradiso de Goa or any other private housing project. Let it be different, not inferior. It is our University. Viva Goa. Miguel - Original Message - To, The Editor, oHERALDo, San Tome, Panaji Sir, The Editorial in the oHERALDo dated 24 May, 2005 entitled Killing it slowly raises a valid issue and suggests some of the causes and effects that need to be ameliorated, if not reversed entirely. A University that is being increasingly deserted by its teaching faculty, of Goan origin or otherwise, cannot be a growing University. Any creature that stops growing ,begins to die. Goa University has just crossed its 'turbulent teens' and is yet to reach its 21st birthday! It is time this adolescent received some attention. Your editorial may well be the beginning of that process. Thank you. The Goa University was my employer for 25 months. Dr.Padmakar R.Dubhashi, IAS[Retd.] had taken over as the Vice-Chancellor of the Goa University in October, 1990, and created a storm by shifting the teaching Departments from the cozy and convenient GMC complex at Bambolim to an abandoned-before-occupation type of complex at Taleigao Plateau. It was a No Man's Land between Bambolim and Dona Paula till he willed it otherwise, living in a bungalow with the tell-tale drip marks of the previous season's rain from the leaking roof tiles. I was recruited on deputation from the Directorate of Agriculture and served at the Goa University till 31 May, 1993, as its first and only 'Garden Superintendent' to date. Dr.Dubhashi left soon therafter. The University has never been the same again. The Goa University is now headed by Dr. P.S.Zacharias, a scientist chosen for the job by a man who is now the President of India. It is a crying shame for Goa, and its claim to good governance, that this man was made to plead for funds, forced to restrict the retirement age of the Professors and other teaching faculty by two years and made to suffer the diktats of an Administrator appointed by the very dispensation that had chosen him to head the only University that Goa has ever had. The shame is greater because our politicians claim to be highly 'educated' and flaunt their professional degrees. The pittance that the only University in Goa needs to run its day to day affairs[ as compared to monsters like the PWD, Electricity Department and, more recently, the GSIDC require] should have been willingly given as a guru dakshina by those politicians who have been educated in India at the state's cost. The fees that they paid for their undergraduate courses did not suffice to pay the salaries of their teachers and the operation of their Institutes and Universities in those days. What if the Governments of the day had cribbed likewise to fund the Universities during their student days? Would these worthies be able to obtain then and now flaunt their degrees ?? It is time the Goan society [ I am no believer in the bhaille theory as almost half the native Goans have obtained their degrees outside Goa or from Bombay University, NOT paid from Goa Government budget] redeems its honour and helps to support the Goa University. Otherwise, let these worthies return their degrees or pay their market cost with interest from date of graduation. It is time to shed the apathy and to get to the Action Stations. Each one of us should contribute to the Goa University what we can. Even a few words of encouragement help the runner complete the last few laps, a tiny finger can help a toddler to stand on its own feet and a pat on the back can make an adolescent believe in oneself and rise to great heights. Let us do what human beings
Re: [Goanet]Returning from East Africa with prejudices?
Why no comment from some real East African Goans on the following discussion? --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cornel wrote: I am puzzled by the specific point you make that: the large numbers of East African Goans who brought their prejudices back with them, when in Goa itself these same caste prejudices were on their way out. You may indeed know more about this than I do, and I therefore hope you will find the time to elaborate on your contention please. --- Cecil: Actually it is just my subjective reading of the situation as I know a lot of people from Saligao. I am not generalising to the whole of Goa. For example in my village of Aldona too there are many East African Goans but they don't seem to have had any effect on the caste consciousness of Aldona society.
Re: [Goanet]Topics for discussion
Maria G. As Gabe has suggested, instead of making suggestions to us, why don't you, Dr. Joachim and others post something you think is interesting, and, if you strike a chord, someone will respond if they have anything relevent and interesting to say on those topics. What you need to be prepared for is that what may be relevent and interesting to you may not be to someone else. By definition, the regular posters on Goanet, who all have rhino skins, do not sit around and wonder what may be interesting to the silent majority. They write about what moves them. Others respond or let the topic die. An example is when I made some comments recently about Indians, who have proven to the world that, as a group, we are second to none in intelligence, education and initiative, and are currently dreaming about becoming a world power, continue to persist in the most disgusting personal habits in public, the silence was deafening. Again, when I expressed a vehement objection to our new Pope fast-tracking Pope JP-II towards sainthood, on the grounds that we don't need saints who were soft on pedophile priests, blamed the media for exposing this heinous and disgusting historical blot on our religion, honored a Cardinal who had been forced to resign to avoid being prosecuted for being a pedophilia enabler, and did NOTHING to address the life-destroying plight of the hundreds of victims, there was not a single response, both from our religious types, or from our many vocal atheists. So it goes. Some of us find a way to reiterate a post that has been ignored, as I have just done. I have no problem with Dr. Joachim's suggestions, or with your endorsement of his suggestions. But if someone among the regular posters had been interested in those topics, this would have not been necessary. Regards, Mario. --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/05/05, Goretti Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Dr Joaquim De Souza for suggesting topics for discussion, I think this is the best way for people to hold debates and discuss on topics that are relevant to the improvement of lifestyle in Goa rather than the now boring topics of Caste, homosexuality and Iraq. Maria G. RESPONSE: Well said madam, so why don't you start and we shall see if we can enter the fray! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Aiyappa gives India victory
Aiyappa gives India victory Last Updated: May 26, 2005 21:56 IST A last-gasp goal saw India beat South Africa 2-1 in their opening match and begin their campaign in the Azlan Shah Cup hockey tournament in Kuala Lumpur in great style on Thursday. Len Aiyappa scored at the stroke of the final whistle from a penalty-corner to give India victory, though the side struggled for most of the match to come to terms with the hot and humid conditions. Aiyappa also scored India's first goal from the team's second penalty-corner, five minutes before Clyde Abrahamas drew parity converting from the set-piece. In the opening match of the tournament, Pakistan beat New Zealand 2-1, while in the last match of the day, Olympic champions Australia routed Malaysia 3-1. It was the first time that the Indian team played an international match under new coach Rajinder Singh (jr), who, despite the victory, has a lot of things to look at before the next match against New Zealand on Friday. India must consider themselves lucky for earning full points from the match as South Africa, just before Aiyappa scored the winner, missed out on a scoring opportunity when a shot from one of their players from a penalty-corner hit the cross bar before going out. Aiyappa, a penalty-corner specialist who played several seasons in the Malaysian League and was well aware of the testing conditions at this time of summer, clinched victory by sending his flick to the top of the net. Indian goalkeeper Devesh Chauhan played his heart out, thwarting the Kiwis with some fine saves. The only time he faltered was when the equaliser came off a rebound, but it was a scorcher which would have beaten the best in the business. India took the lead in the 47th minute from their second penalty-corner as Aiyappa drag flicked low to the right of goalkeeper Chris Hibbert. His earlier attempt was warded off as the ball rose towards the roof of the net. But Indian joy was shortlived as the Proteas shot back three minutes later from their third penalty-corner. This was again a set piece with full back Justin King's wristy flicks read perfectly by Chauhan. However, the clearance went to Clyde Abrahams whose reverse hit went home like a bullet. Both sides thereafter missed a few opportunies as the Indians went into a crowded defence. This tactic nearly proved suicidal as the South African strikers nearly took the lead, but attempts by Emile Smith and Eric Rose Innes were well anticipated by Dilip Tirkey. With two minutes from the long whistle South Africa were awarded their fourth penalty-corner after Harpal Singh could not make a clean clearance. But they could not convert this chance into a goal with the crossbar coming to India's aid. India, however, had the last say as they forced a last minute penalty-corner after Prabhjot ran with the ball into the rival circle but was tackled roughly by defender Ken Forbes. Aiyappa made no mistake again as he neatly sent the ball past the hapless South Africa defence to give India victory. India coach Rajinder Singh Jr. said while he was happy with the win, his boys will have to improve as the tournament progresses. All the games are tough, he said, adding that the squad is handicapped by the absence of Viren Rasquinha and Vikram Pillay in the hal-fline. I am confident that this team will play better tomorrow, he said. India play New Zealand on Friday. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Re: going hammer tongs on Science and Values
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza noted : By the fact that the psychologists found that homosexuality was not an illness, it does not follow that it is normal and morally right to live in homosexual relations and found gay families... Santosh Helekar noted : There seems to be some progress here. But why is it not normal if it is not an illness? Why is it morally wrong? Dear Santosh and Fr. Ivo, We are indeed seeing some movement in the thought process . So... we have reached a point where ...there might be some accord towards believing that Homosexuality may in fact NOT be abnormal. Morality ? depends whose Morals? For instance - Is it Morally right for a woman to be having lunch in the same room as Men? say in Saudi Arabia? Furthermore - How do we know for sure that it IS a homosexual relationship? Do we really know that both parties are actually male or both female? jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Gilbert's house-guests
Gilbert Lawrence wrote: About fifteen years ago, we were living very comfortably in our home in the USA with our teenage daughter. One day an affable Goan relative comes from Canada to visit us and pend some time with us. But the relative comes with their live-in lover. Should I make this relative: 1. Very much at home and make the persons an example to my kid. Cecil: Yes indeed! I would make an example of them. I would tell my kids, See that lousy cousin of yours? Thinks he's affable. I don't think he's affable. Dropping in without letting us know, and bringing someone else along. Where are they going to sleep now? They could use the sofa-cum-bed in the hall but then what if I want to watch TV till late night? See what I mean? Disturbing our comfortable lives. Don't ever be like that! What are phones and e-mail here for? If ever you're visiting someone let them know well in advance how many people are coming so that they can make sleeping arrangements. Let this be an example to you. --- Gilbert: 2. Allow the two lovers share the same bed room for as long as they want to be our guests. Cecil: Definitely not! My apartment is not some bloody free-forever lodge. They've got to let us know approximately how many days they're planning to stay. Then I will take them every night to all the expensive restaurants I always wanted to visit (and couldn't afford) and make sure that they pay the bills! Of course they have to share the same bedroom because (a) I don't have that many bedrooms (b) I don't want them sneaking around in my apartment in the night for a romantic rendezvous and disturb my late night TV watching --- Gilbert: 3. Force them into separate bedrooms and abide by our mores while they are under our roof. Cecil: Depends on your mores Gilbert. After all its your household. Do you condemn pre-marital sex? Do you condemn same sex couples? If so then you will have to clearly state so and uphold your house rules. I personally have played overnight host to quite a few unmarried couple friends and have no hang-ups on these issues. And I would play host to a same gender couple friend without a second thought. But they have to be known and nice people and not some impolite 'affable' cousin who turns up un-announced - with a lover in tow. -- Gilbert: 4. Pack this relative back home or to a hotel ASAP. Cecil: If they were the sickening kootchie-koo type (always looking into each others eyes and kissing and hugging) or if they were noisy in bed, I would hint that they should leave. And if they don't get the hint I will just casually mention that there's a hidden camera recording everything in their bedroom and broadcasting it to the world via pay-per-view. But if they were a nice well behaved interesting couple I would make them most welcome. I like conversing with interesting people, and there are so many new expensive restaurants that me and Beatrice want to try out. ==
Re: [Goanet]Violence Against prisioners at Guantnamo Bay
Someone using the following address [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabe, it is you and Mervyn who are the masters of misinformation and blatant distortions. Since you both seem to get your information from propagandists you may be surprised to learn that no one who is simply opposed to the USA is either interrogated or tortured. That would qualify a good part of the US population dude(s), You live in a world of your own. To find out whats happening in the real world, try reading what your fellow American has to say on torture and interrogation. I am not sure if you will recognize the name of the journalist. Heck, I am not even sure that you will recognize the name of the publisher! However, if you are going to comment on the article, please do AFTER you have read it. Mervyn3.0 -- May 27, 2005 Just Shut It Down By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN London Shut it down. Just shut it down. I am talking about the war-on-terrorism P.O.W. camp at Guantanamo Bay. Just shut it down and then plow it under. It has become worse than an embarrassment. I am convinced that more Americans are dying and will die if we keep the Gitmo prison open than if we shut it down. So, please, Mr. President, just shut it down. If you want to appreciate how corrosive Guantnamo has become for America's standing abroad, don't read the Arab press. Don't read the Pakistani press. Don't read the Afghan press. Hop over here to London or go online and just read the British press! See what our closest allies are saying about Gitmo. And when you get done with that, read the Australian press and the Canadian press and the German press. It is all a variation on the theme of a May 8 article in The Observer of London that begins, An American soldier has revealed shocking new details of abuse and sexual torture of prisoners at Guantnamo Bay in the first high-profile whistle-blowing account to emerge from inside the top-secret base. Google the words Guantnamo Bay and Australia and what comes up is an Australian ABC radio report that begins: New claims have emerged that prisoners at Guantnamo Bay are being tortured by their American captors, and the claims say that Australians David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib are among the victims. Just another day of the world talking about Guantnamo Bay. Why care? It's not because I am queasy about the war on terrorism. It is because I want to win the war on terrorism. And it is now obvious from reports in my own paper and others that the abuse at Guantnamo and within the whole U.S. military prison system dealing with terrorism is out of control. Tell me, how is it that over 100 detainees have died in U.S. custody so far? Heart attacks? This is not just deeply immoral, it is strategically dangerous. I can explain it best by analogy. For several years now I have argued that Israel needed to get out of the West Bank and Gaza, and behind a wall, as fast as possible. Not because the Palestinians are right and Israel wrong. It's because Israel today is surrounded by three large trends. The first is a huge population explosion happening all across the Arab world. The second is an explosion of the worst interpersonal violence between Israelis and Palestinians in the history of the conflict, which has only recently been defused by a cease-fire. And the third is an explosion of Arabic language multimedia outlets - from the Internet to Al Jazeera. What was happening around Israel at the height of the intifada was that the Arab multimedia explosion was taking the images of that intifada explosion and feeding them to the Arab population explosion, melding in the minds of a new generation of Arabs and Muslims that their enemies were J.I.A. - Jews, Israel and America. That is an enormously toxic trend, and I hope Israel's withdrawal from Gaza will help deprive it of oxygen. I believe the stories emerging from Guantnamo are having a similar toxic effect on us - inflaming sentiments against the U.S. all over the world and providing recruitment energy on the Internet for those who would do us ill. Husain Haqqani, a thoughtful Pakistani scholar now teaching at Boston University, remarked to me: When people like myself say American values must be emulated and America is a bastion of freedom, we get Guantnamo Bay thrown in our faces. When we talk about the America of Jefferson and Hamilton, people back home say to us: 'That is not the America we are dealing with. We are dealing with the America of imprisonment without trial.' Guantnamo Bay is becoming the anti-Statue of Liberty. If we have a case to be made against any of the 500 or so inmates still in Guantnamo, then it is high time we put them on trial, convict as many possible (which will not be easy because of bungled interrogations) and then simply let the rest go home or to a third country. Sure, a few may come back to haunt us. But at least they won't be able to take advantage of Guantnamo as an engine of recruitment to
[Goanet]Homosexuality ani dilemma
GL: Arre Baba, Dotor Jose, Poile svater tum munta, I would not ask personal questions of anyone be it homosexual or heterosexual. Magir tum munta, You were negligent by NOT doing due diligence. Aka munta amchi bashen, Tho yeta or veta rre?:=)) You cannot win for trying to be helpful.:=)) Pun kakut kor ani sang, BTW...did you donate the Bed Sheets to ..? Should I have donated the sheet to them and said more gifts to follow - when they invite us for their tuti-fruti? How come only two male Goans responded to the poll? Where are all the other theorists on sexuality gone? Was this poll too hot for them on either side of the situation?.:=)) All the bossesess are busy with the long weekend. And I am off to catch my plane. Otherwise they would be keen to respond. (Ah! Ah!) Now at least the men are not hogging this thread.:=)) Everybody may be waiting to see what the others are saying on this touchy but more frequently seen situation - when Goans loose their cultural mores. Regards, GL jose colaco: JC 2: I can understand NOT asking personal questions. I would not ask personal questions of anyone be it homosexual or heterosexual. 2. However, IF we invite the relative or agree to his/her request for Room with us, we'd certainly try ascertain WHO is coming, WHO else is coming along, the duration of the intended stay etcBEFORE we say OK. 1. You were negligent by NOT doing due diligence BTW...did you donate the Bed Sheets to ..?
Re: [Goanet]Ismael Merchant Dies - Correction
That should have read as It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Felicity Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Er.. the Macieira got the better of me ;-)) Gabriel. P.S. In case an early email of mine relating to GP/JC discussion did not reach goanet, the Kendalls came to Goa in the early 60s putting up excerpts from Shakespeare at Don Bosco's old refectory (The Shed), a place where many a free film was shown on Sunday evenings. This was in the days before the new buildings came up... --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Jennifer Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 68, in London. His Shakespearwalla brought the revered Kendalls to India, introduced Sashi Kapoor to his beloved Felicity and made them all Goa lovers and residents. He told us of a big debt to St. Xavier's College in Bombay, wrote a large in New York to prove it. RIP.eric. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Omagbemi adjudged best
Omagbemi adjudged best May 27, 2005 20:52 IST Sporting Clube de Goa's star player Macpherlin Dudu Omagbemi has been declared the best player and best forward in the ninth edition of the National Football League, which was won by Goa's Dempo Sports Club. The 20-year-old Nigerian scored a maximum of 21 goals in the tournament, taking Sporting's goal tally to 46, the highest for any team in the league. All India Football Federation Alberto Colaco also announced the honours in other categories. Best goalkeeper: Satish Kumar (Dempo) Best defender: Mahesh Gawli (Mahindra United) Best midfielder: Climax Lawrence (East Bengal). Fair Play: JCT Mills. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]BJP to challenge Mumbai HC order against Goa MLAs
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=300927 BJP to challenge Mumbai HC order against Goa MLAs NEW DELHI, MAY 27 (PTI) Apparently upset over the Mumbai High Court's decision setting aside the election of two party MLAs in Goa ahead of the crucial bypolls to five seats in the state, BJP today said it would challenge the judgement in the Supreme Court. Pointing out that the Panaji Bench of the High Court, while giving the verdict, had granted a stay on the order for 30 days, party spokesman Prakash Javadekar claimed that the order, therefore, would not deprive the two legislators of their rights and they would be able to exercise their rights if any Government formed after the bypolls has to prove its majority. Following the court's decision setting aside the election of Rajendra Arlekar from Vasco Seat and Dayanand Mandrekar from the Siolim seat on the grounds that the two held office of profit during the election period, BJP's strength in the 34 member Assembly as been reduced to 15 including the support of one UGDP MLA compared to the 17 claimed by the Congress and its allies. The state is currently under President rule with the Assembly put under suspended animation. Javadekar also claimed that the verdict would not influence the bypoll results which could prove decisive in the formation of the next Government in the state. Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]OMNI2 TV (Canada) Interview with author Silviano Barbosa
Interview with author Silviano Barbosa Author Silviano C. Barbosa will be a guest of a show called Bollywood Boulevard on Toronto's OMNI2 TV channel 14 on Rogers Cable on Sunday May 29th at 5:00 p.m. (The show begins after the Bollywood Hindi Free Time movie which begins at 2 p.m.). The show will be repeated on the same channel the following Monday and Friday from 9 am to 10 am.Hostess Melissa Bhagat will conduct a short interview with the author of the first Canadian/Goan novel The Sixth Night.
[Goanet]SpiceJet starts flights to Goa
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/006200505272068.htm SpiceJet starts flights to Goa New Delhi, May 27 (PTI): New no-frills private carrier SpiceJet today launched its flights from Delhi and Mumbai to Goa at a competitive price range with a Boeing 737-800 aircraft in an all-economy configuration. While the Delhi-Goa-Delhi fare ranged between Rs 2399 and Rs 6799, the Goa-Mumbai-Goa fare stood between Rs 899 and Rs 2399, the airline said in a release here. The carrier claimed that the it received an overwhelming response from the market selling 37,368 tickets in a day which is the largest number of tickets sold by any airline in Asia on the first day of their booking. The budget carrier's Director, Ajay Singh, said we can only win customer confidence by reducing prices without compromising on quality and reliability. A Nevada-based company, Royal Holdings Services Limited, has a major stake in SpiceJet, with FIIs and institutions like Citibank, ABN AMRO, Goldman Sachs and ILFS holding over 20 per cent. Three days ago, SpiceJet launched its first flight on the Delhi-Ahmedabad-Mumbai route with an all-economy flight having 189 seats. It was flagged off by Civil Aviation Minister, Praful Pate Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Returning..........................
Cornel says that those who return to India from abroad invariably hang on to their foreign passports. Does Cornel have facts to support this contention or is this a shot in the dark ???
[Goanet]Fwd: ambelim panchayat cup football-- attention simon
Note: Forwarded message attached -- Orignal Message -- From: armstrong augusto vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ambelim panchayat cup football-- attention simon ---BeginMessage--- hosts ambelim sports club crashed out of the Ameblim panchayat cup inter village football losing 2-0 to ICSC Paroda in the quarter final encounter at Ameblim grounds today evening. Both the goals came inthe second half. Brijesh Dessai and Peter Carvalho scored for the winners. ---End Message---
RE: [Goanet]goans in Brazil
I would guess less than 100 families! JF From: B Rodrigues goanet@goanet.org Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]goans in Brazil Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:51:22 -0400 Dear members How many Goans lives in BRAZIL? BRodrigues
Re: [Goanet]A public apology to Dr. Helekar
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]A public apology to Dr. Helekar Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:30:10 -0700 (PDT) You are right. There is no way for me to prove that. But some would say that it is better to lose one's cool than to use a ploy. So I am actually admitting to committing a graver offense. That should count for something. Unless of course, all of this is a ploy. Nobody other than myself would ever know that. That is the nature of our consciousness. It is entirely private. That is why it is the last uncharted frontier of science. Cheers, Santosh Allow me, dear Santosh, to disagree with you, Certainly, not the last not even by a long stretch, the penultimate, u. frontier. Scoffers scoffed at Archimedes, Galileo, Darwin and Freud, among other vindicating visionaries that they had no longer any horizons to chart. There is allways the West, my boy! Go West and keep at it Alfred _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
Re: [Goanet]Hell Raiser- 2
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Hell Raiser- 2 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) --- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dear Mario, How could poor Cecil, you or I, ever find out, hopefully later than sooner what heaven or hell is exactly like. Mario replies: Alfred, be patient, we will all find out when we get there. You are already giving me a taste of HELL with your questions. Maybe such important religious questions should be better addressed to our resident religious expert, Padre Ivo. My dear Mario, I will spare you further hadian torments. Fr. Ivo will do me proud. We have had very pleasant conversation, last week. He was at Heidelburg, but could not make it to Stockholm. I would have the pleasure of displaying him the healthy church that we nuture in deceptively godless Sweden. Abraços mui fortes, pá... Alfredo _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
RE: [Goanet]Re: Jose's apology for the Vatican continues
Hey George! Was it not you who said that Mother Theresa is being fast tracked to sainthood, only because of her 'white' origin. You did not say that mother Theresa was doing the good socialist work and more, for the poor and discarded in the region; a job which should have been undertaken and funded by the leftist and so called socialist goverments in the region, for so many decades now. Amartya Sen also got the Nobel Prize! He is not 'white' as per you perception! George, from your writing on this forum, I now know, that you are a pretentious socialist, anti white skin and anti capitalist; and you are extremely race and skin colour conscious! That would make you one of the greatest racists in the world! There is no 'Nobel Prize' for that! Capitalism has evolved over the centuries; it was never forced on any society or country; as has been 'Communism' which was forced violently on peoples of this world. Even you realise that you have to earn your bread in a so called capitalist country, in order to make amends for your socialist pretentions?? Fast track your socialist objectives without being anti white and anti capitalist and anti Vatican; That will make you a 'Good Boy' to begin with; before being a 'Good Man'. I have no intention of 'fast tracking you here!! :-) :-) Bye George. No offense meant! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: Jose's apology for the Vatican continues Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Jose, Cut the games and word playing. Please withdraw the lie that I have criticized SFX or Mother Teresa. George
Re: [Goanet] Science and Values
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the fact that the psychologists found that homosexuality was not an illness, it does not follow that it is normal and morally right to live in homosexual relations and found gay families... There seems to be some progress here. But why is it not normal if it is not an illness? Why is it morally wrong? Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]RE: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #2212 - 18 msgs
As far as the Computer world is concern, one should recognise his requirement. I feel if you build your own will be cheaper than rest.
[Goanet]Hawai?
AT THE POST OFFICE-3 TOM: Can I have some Aero-gramme forms? Mhaka thodim Hawai Potr-foma melot? CLERK: What? Kitem? TOM: Aero-gramme forms. Hawai Potr. CLERK: Hawai? Hawai chappals? You think this is a store? Hawai vhanno? Hem dukan kitem? TOM: No? No? Aero-gramme forms. Na! Na! Hawai Potr. CLERK: What Hawai-Hawai? Kitem Hawai-Hawai? TOM: Pig my brother! Just give me those forms there on the desk. Dukra mhojea bhava. Thuim mezacher forma assat tim di. CLERK: You want aerogrammes? Why didn't you say so? Tuka aerogramme zai? Oshem sang murree! FOREIGNER LADY: Aloha! TOM: Hawai? CLERK: Arrrh!!! = Just kidding, I hope Edward de Lima's LEARN KONKANI gets more people interested in learning our lovely language. =
[Goanet]Fw: The politics of loyalty (Tomazinho Cardozo)
Attn: Goanet Dear All, I fully agree what Mr. Tomazinho Cardozo wrote about politicians loyalty or loyal to party. First of all politcians means trying to grab the loyalty of the party by words and gains to themselves without thinking/doing anything to the party or party followers/people of the party. Before election they give the sweet words and when they are elected they forget everything they said and go after their power of gains i.e royalty. Soon they become selfish even forget their health and hug for the wealth. Some of them don't even sleep well but think day and night how start their business. Any candidate who is unloyal to their party run after their gains by forgeting or without consulting their voters. They will be like one man's band dancing with his/her own tunes. They will choose the ruling party who will be giving them benifits. Every voter has right and should punish such candidate. If there is any collapse of the ruling party Governor 's rule should applied till the next election. No other party should be given a chance to form the new government. This leads to run and join the new party. Like this too a kind of lesson/punishment to the politicians which to tie their hands and gives no chance to act during the period. Now a days we never see any good politician, Goan politic is like a circus , without a ring master. According to me a good politician should stand by his/her loyal party or they should work as independent candidate for the sake of the people needs. An elected candidate of any party means he/she is voted by the people and they should work for the people though the party. He/she should try to grab the high position and work for party and think of the people who supported him/her. If a candidate who is not loyal to the party or to the people, he/she runs away here and there to grab the position, powers and gains should not be voted/elected at all, because they are unloyal.they should be punished by the voters.Without any vote no one can can be choosen. Vote is first and most valuable weapon of the candidate. Finally in India we have too many people and countless parties and every election new-new parties are also formed which is absolutely wrong. Everybody thinks this is democracy. There is no decency of democracy, it is like killing the democracy rights and they go beyond their limits and voters become the loosers. This shows the founder of the party becomes the leader and he goes with his/her own rules. In India if we opt to have just 2 main parties and an independent candidate our Country will flourish and improve, all corruption will be declined and hope one day India will stand top of the world with all aspects. That's all from me. Regards to all, Mario V. S. Pereira, *** ## # Don't just read the news...discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet # # Goanet was setup in 1994 and has spent the last decade building a # # lasting Goan non-profit, volunteer-driven network in cyberspace. # # Visit the archives http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join Goanet. # ## The politics of loyalty By Tomazinho Cardozo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Politics, as I understand, is an art to gain political power. The only way to obtain such power is to have control over the Government. It does not matter whether the means used to achieve this goal are legal or illegal. In other words politics means struggle for power, its only aim being to grab power under any circumstances. Loyalty, on the other hand, is one's firm allegiance to a political party. Loyalty demands faithfulness, dedication and sincerity. A loyalist is ready to sacrifice anything and everything for his party. A loyalist is a soldier of the party in the true sense of the word. Does loyalty have any relevance in today's politics? I am touching upon this subject because of Goa former Congress president Ms. Nirmala Sawant's resignation from the Congress party. Her resignation was highly publicised by the media branding her as the loyalist of the first order. As for me, in today's Goan politics, no politician is loyal to his or her party irrespective of party affiliation. The MLAs who swear by the party today, if denied a ticket to contest the elections, will definitely fight it out as independents against the party candidates. In other words, a politician is loyal to his party only as long as the party dances the tunes of the politician. I have personal experience in this matter. When I was defeated in the Calangute Constituency by Suresh
[Goanet]CABLING GOA FOR TELECOMS
How can we assist (in any method) to improve communication network i.e.internet, phones.wifi,wimax in GOA.[Joaquim DeSouza, May 26] http://www.business-standard.com/iceworld/storypage.php?hpFlag=Ychklogin=N; autono=190108leftnm=lmnu9leftindx=9lselect=0 Villages may get Net, telephony on cable The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (Trai) is planning a convergence of voice data services. It is expected to send a proposal to the government for allowing cable operators in rural areas to offer basic telephony and Internet services. Trai is also to suggest a reduction in the licence fee and spectrum charges for rural cellular services. It is also proposed that Internet protocol (IP)-based telephony is permitted and the licensing structure amended, allowing broadband providers to offer voice services in rural India. --- Is this plan to your liking? Hope to get your take on it.
[Goanet]Another Picnic Spot 'Am-ghe-tinga'
re-sent without pics attachment = Well, not axactly am-ghe-tinga but well within the walking distance say about 20 minutes (from our home=Amghetinga). Its Campal Park or Campal Beach or Children Park. Its becoming very popular too. Recently a large group from Siolin or Candolim came here (Parish counccil). Also understands many school picnics come too. Its quiter compare to miramar beach etc. Its a nice family spot. Plenty of children play activities, Pedal boating within the garden, canteen, Bhelpuriwala, Icecreamwala etc. One can see tourist boats (river crusing) passing, Barges carrying iron ore, fishermen boats etc. During the day time one can seat on the benches under the shades (see pic) and relax. check the 3 pics attached. Campal Park, Shades Sunset. If you do decide to come for a whole day, one can even go for the cenema matinee shows, INOX which is just across the road. All shows before 1pm priced at Rs.50 per ticket then after it cost up to Rs.110 per ticket. Mention 'JoeGoaUk' and get 50% discount*. INOX is just 6 months old. Its a 4 screen multiplex, well maintained like that of Western cinema houses. Now Showing: BUNTY BABLY 7shows, KUNG FU HUSTLE 3shows, STUART LITTLE2, NAZAR, STAR WARS, KYA KOOL HAI HUM, NAINA, KAAL, WAQT THOMMANUM MAKKALUM (malayalam). Just before the start of the main film, they show/play National Anthem where entire audience stands in respect to NA. Dont know why it is shown even now and why all stand (except mi)despite paying Rs.110. Panjim market is just other side of Inox. How to get there (Park)? From Panaji Bus Stand, take any city bus to Miramar, get down either at INOX or just Out side the gates of Campal Park, fare Rs.4. Rickshaw may charge around 30. Pvt cars, plenty room inside the park where parking area is allocated. * all shows before 10am only. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Jazzy Joe website
Hi there, Please visit http://www.geocities.com/jazzgoa/joe and checkout sound samples from Jazzy Joe's new album at his webpage hosted by Jazz Goa. Regards, Jazz Goa __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Camping Sites in Goa
Going through the recent postings of forts in Goa, I wasn't aware that there were so many of them... Some of them are fairly good tourist spots, and others are just depict remains of ruins On another subject, has anyone every been camping (usually, this stop over takes place en route to another) in Goa? I know there are a lot of places that one can camp at outside Goa, for example while travelling to Bombay, Mercara etc. The last place I found exciting for camping was at Dandeli when travelling to Jog falls. Cheers, Allwyn -Original Message- From: Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 19:50 To: Goanet Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's Forts You are right, Alfred, I did forget to mention Anjediva. That was in effect the first ever fort built by the Portuguese in the whole east. It was only after its construction, in 1505, that Dom Francisco de Almeida took the title of Viceroy of India which had been bestowed upon him by the King of Portugal. But that fort was made of wood and had to be dismantled soon after. At a later date a new fort was built, having even a chapel - predecessor of the present Church of Nossa Senhora das Brotas (Our Lady of Springs - Zhorinchi Saibinn). - But alas! the island (with its fort and all) is now out of bounds for civilians, as it is in the hands of the Indian Navy, included in its Sea Bird project. Jorge - Original Message - From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's Forts Jorge, haven't you forgotten Anjediva. I think that was the very first bastion erected by the Portuguese in that region of Malabar. The Rachol fortifications played an important role in the Christianization of South Goa. The village must be a veritable mine of archaological goodies. Alfred From: Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's Forts Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:03:12 +0200 Some other forts that I can remember: Corjuem, on the island of the same name, belonging to Aldona village Betul (a very small fort) Cabo de Rama, in Canacona taluka Alorna (or Halarn) fort in Pernem taluka Nanuz (or remnants of it) in Satari taluka Long walls and the Viceroys' Arch which belonged to the fort surrounding Old Goa The arch which was part of the Rachol fort. There are remnants of a fort also at Dona Paula. And there used to be a small fort, called Gaspar Dias fort, in the locality which itself used to be known as Gaspar Dias and is now called Miramar, between Panjim and Caranzalem. Jorge - Original Message - From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: [Goanet]Goa's Forts corrected.. This is not a game pl. === Can any one help?? Just want to know the names of all Forts in Goa including its location. No matter how small or big, whether just a wall remains etc (it can be even just outside Goa) You just name it (if u know, with location) and I will do the rest. Following Forts I have been so far: Fort Aguada (light House) Sinquerim (Taj) Chapora (vagator) Reis Magos (opp Inox) Tirakol Pl add on.. Upon reading news item on Navhind Times on 15th May 2005, we headed for chandor only to find no Fort there. (it was said it is located near the ancient 11th century Kandamba Shiva Temple) there, we ask a house of 3 people, some youth at the road junction next to the temple site, and a shop none of them were aware of the said fort, Knocked at the doors of two old portuguese houses but no answer, we came home disapointed. I am sure there is one but the locals are not aware of it. They even said the Ruins of Shiva Temple is the same as Fort. I wish the writer in the NT gave his contact details etc . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miramar
RE: [Goanet]Semantics of Goan migration
I would think that: one's citizenship, acquired or birth right, is and should be, the criteria for this. A Canadian Goan would mean, that the person is a Canadian citizen and happens to come from Goa India, the previous nationality. Similarly, a Goan Canadian would mean that he is a Goan Indian, or of Indian origin but residing in Canada; aiming or not for Canadian citizenship. The above is my contention! I would like to hear more on this from other goanetters. Viva Goa! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne. From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Semantics of Goan migration Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:02:05 +0530 Bosco D'Mello wrote: I am after all a GOAN CANADIAN! = Is Bosco a Goan-Canadian or a Canadian Goan? Is Fred an East African-Goan or a Goan-East African? Is Paulo a Goan-Portuguese or a Portuguese-Goan? Is Lino a Goan-Kuwaiti or a Kuwaiti-Goan? Is Viveca a Goan-Malaysian or a Malaysian-Goan? Is Alfred a Swedish-Goan or a Goan -Swede? Is Vivian an American-Indian or an Indian-American? Where is Jorge de Abreu Noronha when we need him? Cecil
Re: [Goanet]Re: When and to what extent should priests/nuns be involved in politics?
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Christian cannot be silent when there is rampant corruption, violence and injustice. Dear Fr. Ivo, I am in total agreement with your statement. Wished every Goan Catholic politician had the same view. Can the Goa Church help educate these people (The politicians as well as the people who voted them) with morals and values? Peace, Carlos
Re: [Goanet]SENSIBLE STANCE ON MOPA/DABOLIM
Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Madgao First demanded that the Dabolim airport should continue to be domestic airport even after opening of international airport at Mopa, the news report says. This is entirely consistent with the stand taken by Churchill Alemao, MP, in his speech in Parliament earlier this year. Phillip, This is the game played by the Goa Corrupt politicians who want to appease both sides for their votes. Lets have Mopa and lets have Dabolim too so that pro-Dabolim folks are onboard with us at present. You know what will happen next. All the Air traffic will go to Mopa as it will be the new airport with all the infrastructure that the airlines prefer. Once Mopa is built, we can kiss goodbye to Dabolim. Our Goa Conmen cannot argue with the Delhi Congmen who have already made up their mind on Mopa. Best regards, Carlos
[Goanet]New Portugeuse Songs VCD 'SAUDADES'
I also saw a new VCD of Portuguese songs at VP SINARI Panaji, took details on a piece of paper, just in case there is some interest from Goanetters particularly Portuguese speaking. SAUDADES (Memories) VCD by Agostinho da Cruz Rs.300 Songs: (pl excuse spelling mistakes if any) Prelude manha de Carnaval Goa Dourada Al se os meuis olhos falassem Ca-deza-za/mam eu quero/Sebastiao Eu Daria Minha Vida Olhos negros Foi Deus O Tempo volta p'ra traz Ingratidao Mariana Marcha de Fontainhas === I also have one VCD 'GOA a Paradise by Agostinho Da Cruz Nov.2003 Rs.250' which was the best amongst all the VCDs on GOA so far. Pl refer my earlier review on the same. Based on above, I guess, this one 'Saudades' would be good too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Cricket's taking a beating
Cricket's taking a beating Deepti Patwardhan May 27, 2005 Cricket may thrive as long the Indian subcontinent exists, but it is an endangered species globally, without a restoration plan. It is time to explore where the game stands as a sport in a larger context and why it has failed to become a global phenomenon. A poignant reminder to this is this week's sports line-up. England are busy flogging Bangladesh, and Pakistan and the West Indies are involved in an insipid contest while the rest of the sporting world is still recovering from the attack of the Reds and busy talking about a potential mouth-watering French Open teenage battle between Rafael Nadal and Richard Gasquet. Steven Gerrard's inspirational leadership and goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek's dramatics during the Champions League final penalty shoot-out saw Wednesday night dressed in crimson as Liverpool completed an epic turnaround. This, only days after a heart-stopping FA Cup final that was also stretched to the shoot-out. Manchester United made move after move and squandered them all. Arsenal, as they later conceded, were only trying hard 'not to lose.' They finally didn't! Liverpool showed uncommon spirit in the second half and Arsenal underlined the importance of patience. In the end both the games reflected the heart of sport, their teasing unpredictability and the brilliance of the playmakers. Paris anticipates a contest between Nadal and Gasquet on Friday. Both 18, both ambitious. Nadal is one of the contenders for the crown; Gasquet the potential spoilsport in the scheme of things. Roger Federer is also looming large on Paris. Talent and grace live with him. There is Maria Sharapova and her quest to top the world; and Justine Henin-Hardenne, refreshed in body and soul. And there are a whole lot of pretenders lurking around Roland Garros. It is a Grand Slam known more for the upsets than the unfancied winners it decides to pick. While football and tennis are capturing young minds and has everyone swooning after them, the cricket matches have hardly created a ripple. Bangladesh, you think don't belong to Lord's. They were bowled out for 108 on the first day by England. West Indies, with a top order weaker than Steven Gerrard's left toe, gave an unpalatable batting display. Brian Lara lifted the game, showed his genius and then burned himself out. Every now and then cricket throws up such leathery feasts. The game is restricted in quality as just ten teams belong to the top rung. And effectively there are only seven teams competing. Australia are too good for the rest; Zimbabwe and Bangladesh hardly matter. Everyone in between is plagued by inconsistency. Every sport has its off day, but the number of such days is simply piling for cricket. The International Cricket Council's 10-year programme makes sure that you don't have India or England play Australia the time. So we have to make do with Australia playing Zimbabwe and call it a Test. There is a very little chance that cricket will go global. Given Bangladesh and Kenya's progress, including more countries in the circle may further demean competition. The ICC's ambition of making countries like the US, Canada and Hong Kong play with the big boys was rendered useless as the minnows were flogged hopelessly. Jagmohan Dalmiya tried to take the game to unconventional places but rather than expanding its influence, it may have unwittingly introduced the game to match-fixing. The strains of the malaise have also been found as far back as 18th century but it just bellowed as the game started to move out of its traditional centres. Peter Roebuck wrote after the McKinsey report, commissioned by Cricket Australia to study demographic trends in cricket viewership, showed a steady decline in cricket audience in Australia: 'In part it is a global phenomenon. A suburb has become a city, a city has become a province, a province has become a nation, a continent and finally a planet. Modern wars can be understood only as the dying rage of the different. 'Australian cricket's main rival is distant and probably untouchable. The English Premier League dominates the thoughts of young sportsmen from all corners of the planet.' In this global village, cricket will find it difficult to retain its audience. Satellite television is providing a variety of sport and the growing Internet influence has already starting to take its toll on the young audiences in India. The ESPN School quiz Olympiad on Indian television showcases the students' familiarity with football, tennis and Formula One as well as a complete disregard for cricket's history. They have no difficulties identifying even an average player from football but struggle to recognise Vijay Hazare. Cricket is slow, long, and the games that matter are played in white flannels. None of this will excite youngsters who
[Goanet]'Give Sweden green carpet welcome'
'Give Sweden green carpet welcome' May 26, 2005 18:59 IST Former Davis Cup captain Ramesh Krishnan feels India will have to overcome the dilemma about playing on grass in order to put themselves in the best frame of mind ahead of the crucial World Group play-off against Sweden later this year. Krishnan said the surface was less a factor than the lack of high ranked players for India's stagnation in the zonal group in recent years. Playing on grass is your home court advantage. Grass is definitely our preferred choice, Krishnan said. I do not know whether it (over dependence on grass) is counter productive but our present players are not ranked as high as our players of 1980s and 1990s. That is the issue. India host Sweden in September in the play-off, and the winner gets promoted to the World Group next year. India have the right to decide on the surface but Sweden have top ranked players strong on grass, the hosts' traditional strength. Krishnan said the Indian team should begin their preparations for the tie soon. Davis Cup ties require lot of physical energy. One has to be ready to go the distance. In Davis Cup play, one needs little more of endurance than in other events. They have to gear themselves two-three months before. Even now it should be at the back of the mind of players and build towards that. India have a poor head to head record against Sweden, having lost in all the four previous meetings including twice on grass at home. In fact, the Swedes whitewashed Indians on three of those occasions. Vijay Amritraj's win over Mats Wilander in Bangalore in 1987 being India's only victory in 20 rubbers. Krishnan, who was in the two losing sides (in 1985 and '87), was in awe of the team's domination. They were clearly a better team and they defeated us in India twice on grass. They are also a good Davis Cup nation, he said. They are not only better players but they all come well prepared. It is a combination of both. Krishnan said modern generation of players do not play many tournaments on grass but still India should roll out a 'green carpet' welcome for the visitors in September. Other than Davis Cup, none of our domestic or the ITF events are played on grass. Our kids do not play on grass at all. It is only in the Davis Cup thats we use it because we feel it is to our advantage. We are a grass playing nation. Even Great Britain and Australia, two traditional grass court nations, play their Davis Cup matches on other surfaces too. I would say it is not counter productive because our kids per say do not play on grass. Krishnan said although surface played a crucial role in a team's success, there were other factors that made the difference between victory and defeat. It is a question of how a player considering his style of play adapts his game to a particular surface. At the highest level, adaptability is more important. He said the youngsters should rise upto the occasion as Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi were on the verge of calling it a day. I would say that our team is in transition. Leander and Mahesh are slowly on their way out but still you cannot count them out. They are still doing well in the doubles. It is good that they can pass on some of their experiences to the youngsters in the team. More importantly, the youngsters should take advantage of the situation. Krishnan was of the opinion that though more and more children were taking to tennis, the huge numbers was yet to translate into quality. Sania Mirza is playing in the French Open and many kids are also playing the junior events. As far as Sania is concerned, she has come through the system. I do not want to mislead people. I think the quality needs to be raised, particularly in the men's side. We have not had anyone playing in the Grand Slam singles events for a long time. It is important that somebody gets to that position, which were used to for many years in a row. I hope a youngster comes through and does it sooner than later. The former Davis Cupper was of the opinion that roping in a foreign coach for the Indians was a very expensive proposition. Who is going to foot the bill? As for Davis Cup, it is played only for three weeks in a year or four weeks at the most. I want to dispel the notion that foreign coaches are good and Indian coaches are bad. There are bad foreign coaches also. Good coaching in today's world does not come cheap. All these cost lot of money. It is a deep subject. At the same time there is no denying the fact that our children need good coaching. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Airport Revolution
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/may/27guest1.htm The great airport revolution May 27, 2005 [Barun Roy] If these new-age airports have anything to tell us, it's this: Herding passengers through immigration and customs is not the only reason they are there. When tens of millions of passengers pass every year (27 million passed through Beijing in 2004, 30 million through Bangkok, 30.4 million through Singapore, and 36 million through Hong Kong) or hundreds of flights take off or land every day (786 in Hong Kong in March 2005), airports become hubs, connecting points, and places for long waits where people need to divert themselves, do business, check with contacts, besides resting, dining, and shopping. And airports need to be clean, comfortable, attractive, and interesting enough for people not to feel bored or disgusted. Today's airports, therefore, are increasingly like mini cities, complete with services, facilities, and activities, combining downtown excitement and suburban charm, where even long waits won't be a waste of time or tell on your nerves. To think that Goa is going to be dragged, kicking and screaming, (IFFI-style?), into a world class A380 airport in 2014 when it hasnt earned its wings running a purely civilian facility for over 40 years (i.e. since Liberation)! Why are the people of Goa the butt of hare brained ideas like this?
