Re: Fwd: [Goanet]Susie a Goan? Then Sonny is, too.
George Pinto, who has been known to debunk a few hoaxes, now risks the ire of the Goanet Hoax Police by declaring everyone a Goan. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Eric, Thanks Eric for the info. We can now say Susie is a Goan and Sonny is a Goan son-in law. I had heard that Susie's Dad was from Portugal. Regards, Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Her late father, who i have met, was with the World Bank in Washington. She is a niece of the Conductor, Caesar Coelho and Prof. Yvette Coelho Aguiar - all Porvorim Nobles. Yvette, 90, founded the Alliance Francaise de Westchester, New York, fifteen years ago. eric. Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Goan? Then Sonny is, too. Good point. This may make Sonny Bono a Goan posthumously.
[Goanet]Re: Joseph Zuzarte on Feni
Dear Goanetters, Cecil is absolutely right, although Joseph Zuzarte is not necessarily wrong. All Gymnosperms[ including the common Cycas and Zamea] have naked[ exposed, if you prefer]seeds. So are nuts like the coconut and betelnut...only these nuts do not have a swollen 'hypothalamus'. Therein lies the rub.;-)) - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph Zuzarte wrote: In fact, cashew fenny and the fenny stills in villages are practically a part of our collective Goan racial memory. Cecil: a) Considering that the Portuguese introduced the cashew tree to Goa just a few hundred years ago I don't think it can be really have been assimilated so soon into our 'racial memory'. Joseph Zuzarte freshly squeezed out neera or juice of cashew fruit, the only fruit with its seed outside its body. Cecil: I am sure there are other fruits that have the seeds outside the body. Miguel Braganza will surely educate us on that. Technically though, what is referred to as the cashew 'apple' is not actually the fruit but is a modification of a part of the flower that breeds the fruit. The cashew seed itself is the 'fruit' and the inner edible kernel is the actual 'seed'. But lets not go into the technical details and just accept for the time being that the 'apple' is the cashew 'fruit' in layman's language. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]Re: Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
On 19/06/05, Salus Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . You also spoke about education and careers in detail. Well, I do believe that one needs a good educational background for any career of choice. While there are lots of career opportunities in India, we still hear of many companies showing preference to overseas qualified candidates as compared to the local ones. This is not something new anyway. Even in our time, we used to envy the foreign returned blokes to took over [talk of Harvard etc!!] . So you see, it is a matter of choices, and not a matter of running down Goa or wanderlust as some may think. The benefits are there too. We do afford more, live better than we ever did, but then that comes with the package I suppose! And at the core of that big package lies a lot of hard work! Comment: The flip side as reported today in Goan Voice U.K. http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Half-of-foreign-students-report- racism/2005/06/14/1118645806611.html?oneclick=true International students studying at Australian universities are suffering from alarming levels of discrimination, isolation and financial pressure, according to research. A Monash University study has found that half the international students interviewed had suffered from discrimination or bad treatment; 57 per cent of female students reported discrimination. One in 10 said they felt unsafe in Australia. Racism was most likely to occur at work or when students were seeking somewhere to live, the research found. I wear my headscarf back in Brunei, one Muslim student said in her interview. But in Australia, everybody was staring at me. I wore that headscarf for three days, and then I started telling myself that it's not safe. I decided not to wear it. The study, whose full results are revealed by The Age, was conducted by the Monash Institute for the Study of Global Movements. It interviewed more than 200 students from 34 countries. AdvertisementAdvertisement Principal researcher Simon Marginson said the finding of students feeling unsafe was striking, and showed Australia had a way to go in providing a welcoming atmosphere for international students. Professor Marginson said safety and security were key factors in student choice about where to study. And with a slowing international student market, he cautioned that the findings should be ringing alarm bells. Almost two-thirds of students reported feeling isolation and loneliness, with females and those in regional cities more likely to suffer. More than two-thirds work or have worked here, with 35 per cent reporting financial difficulties. RMIT vice-chancellor Margaret Gardner said similar surveys by RMIT found a sense of belonging and support were key issues for international students. Professor Gardner said universities had made many improvements in helping international students in their transition to studying in Australia and realise more needs to be done. The findings coincide with a new report to the Federal Government urging an overhaul of the regulations covering international students. The report expresses concerns about students' pastoral care. It identifies home stays, financial hardship, mental illness, unlawful activities and visa breaches as areas of concern. Student care is emerging as an area of considerable risk to not only the wellbeing of students . . . but also to Australia's reputation as a destination for overseas students, it says. Growth in the international market has continued to slide. The number of international students starting study in Australia is down by almost two-thirds so far this year on last year. Monash University vice-chancellor Richard Larkins said Australia was in danger of losing the race for international students as universities in neighbouring South-East and Northern Asian became more competitive. He warned that overreliance on revenue from overseas students could cause fee rises that would deter students from studying in Australia. We're probably getting very much in danger of pricing ourselves out of the market, he said. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]New York Goans.
Hey Erico, Pretty interesting them Goans you got in New York !!! I heard you were late - and so you would have almost missed, what would have become the best part - a free boxing match ... with at least a nasty round or two. Unfortunately (or fortunately), the boxers ran out of gas ( or possibly feni? ) even before the match began :( I wouldn't be surprised if they have at least two or three such associations in the coming months in the metro area. And finally, guess who's laughing about all this? Me ... ofcourse !!! Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Picnicked at a nice beach park last sunday around a large table topped with pulao and sorpotel and Indian treats and feni. There were guitars and old songs and a even a few games. They also elected a new Committee for the year: Peter D'Souza D.Phil. was proposed for President by Ramesh Mehta and Michelle Higgins, and was duly elected, unopposed. Peter's wife, Loretta will continue treating us to Bandra East- Indian vindaloo, and Michelle will sing cousin Tony Brent's songs. Paul Coutto will keep an eye on funds, and keep up supplies of free bebidas - Goan and Scottish. Tillie Udipi will stay on as legal advisor, and Nonna Pantaky is permanent catering consultant. Cabby and Molly will enforce. .. .. eric.
[Goanet]RE: Freedom Fighters.
Freedom Fighters. The Portuguese government during the 50's and on the 19th. December 1961 was a dictatorship, and if I am not mistaken the Late Dr. oliveira Salazar was in power. At that particular time anyone accused of posting a simple anti-portuguese poster was considered a criminal and languished in portuguese jails in Aquada for over 8 to 10 years. In aldona the village from where I was born and brought up there were 3 youngsters in around the age of 20 and three school teachers who were all jailed and suffered a lot of beatings that words cannot mention. There were also others in jail who were more aggressive and were also jailed for far longer periods. After the liberation of Goa there were many who claimed to be freedom fighters. Some claimed that they had fought for freedom from other parts of India. There were also others who wrote books and letters against the portuguese from Bombay and if they had the courage to visit Goa, jail was imminent. Concluding how to define a freedom fighter is a matter of enterpretation. Tom de Sousa in Hong Kong
[Goanet]Re: Spreading fear through Chain letters
I thoroughly agree with the writer. Francisco Colaco Margao. Goa. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spreading fear through chain letters (such and such a pin was found in a theater and someone got AIDS through it) -- unless these claims are substantiated through evidence --- should not just be banned, but those who post such posts should be held liable for any damages caused.
[Goanet]Spreading common sense
Mario: The big difference is in how you say it in the post. If you say be careful of needles, that is indeed a good thing. But if you say that some one got AIDS because he sat on a needle and the story is false --- , that it acquires a different dimension. So, one can always warn, but dont use falsehoods to do that. samir PS: request not to change the titles of the post as far as possible in your response because I dont read all posts on Goanet and I go by the titles to catch a thread. Mario wrote: Hey, Samir. Before you go any further, please check out the definition of a chain letter.
RE: [Goanet]Blindspot In Meaningful Aviation Planning
Hello Gerry, Your attack on Phillip Thomas' above mentioned article, is unwarranted. I beg to differ completely on your so called Fallacies List. You have only made (false) statements and you presume that goanetters are gullible, to take your statements as fact! Well I am not; and please read me further down. From: gerry ferns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Blindspot In Meaningful Aviation Planning Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 05:34:55 -0700 (PDT) FALLACIES a}that military and civilian uses are mutually incompatible/exclusive. Nasci: For 'efficiency and streamlining operations', they are incompatible and should be exclusive; only in the emergency of war, all such facilities will come under the control of the war machine. b}that military and civilian aspects of national security are seperate, hermetic compartments. Nasci: It is correct that these be seperate! c}that development of another airport in North Goa would neccessarily eat into the tourism pie of Goa. Nasci: The Mopa Aoirport will certainly eat into the tourism pie of Goa; definitely so! d}that if the airport in Mopa also massages development in Maharashtra,it would be against the interests of India. Nasci: It will not be against the interest of India, but will certainly be completely against the interest of South Goa, Middle Goa and Eastern Goa, that will remain underdeveloped! e}that Managements of Hotels in South Goa are so ossified/fossilised ,that they would be completely unable to respond to the changing Aviation scenario in Goa. Nasci: They will certainly not be able to respond and will in time 'go bankrupt'; and many of the residents of South Goa will loose jobs and business a plenty. It can and will soon become a 'backward area; Such will be impact of Mopa on South Goa! f} that the citizens of India residing in SOUTH GOA, have greater priority than citizens of India residing in NORTH GOA, to infrastructure,employment -generation,business opportunities, accessibility and convenience. Nasci: No! In the case of Mopa, its the residents of North Goa alone who will have good access and priveledge; where as in the case of Dabolim, ALL the people of Goa, North, South, and East, already have equal access and priveledge etc. Besides, the Dabolim Airport location etc has already made it a 'tremendous airport! All the infrastucture servicing the airport is close at hand; the roads etc are already there; and the Terminal and other infrastructure facilities can be further beefed up, at a fraction of the cost involved with Mopa! Only the 'Naval Air' has to move either to Sea Bird or to Mopa; Let the Navy build and use Mopa airport if at all! g}that the Tourism Industry has yet not factored the prospect of the airport in North Goa in their business plans ,and are yet to take off the block in terms of accquiring land in North Goa in the vicinity of the Airport to further their business prospects in Goa. Nasci: The Tourism Dept. should never acquire land etc. in North Goa/ Pernem. Let the Navy do the acquisition for the Mopa Airport, for their use, if at all! h}that hotel businessess currently operating in SOUTH GOA have a divine/inalienable right to control every variable in the business environment that might even remotely impact their business. Nasci: What rubbish are you saying? We are talking of all Goans; it's you who is talking only for Pernem residents! You seem to have a vested interest in land in North Goa! Is this true? j}that the YOUTH in North Goa, have no stake whatsoever in the EMPLOYMENT GENERATING CAPACITY OF THE AIRPORT IN MOPA. Nasci: These are your words! If you are 'Youth' than you are mistaken youth! Open your eyes, and see how big the world is. k}that the new airport in MOPA is out of SYNC with the National Aviation Policy. l}that it is utterly neccessary to protect the STATUS QUO and not build another Airport in North Goa, as this would be against the interests of ALL GOANS/INDIANS. Nasci: This is true! If funds, private or Govt. are diverted to Mopa; then Dabolim will be neglected and the Youth of Goa'' who you seem to be vouching for, will be the worst sufferers! Sell the Dabolim Airport to the private sector and build it up and let the Naval Air acquire lane at Mopa and develop the same' if they so need it. COME ON MR THOMAS RESPECT THE READERS OF GOANET.LET NOT MILK BE PASSED OFF AS SEASONED WINE Nasci: Gerry, I hate to say this! But it is you who is trying to pass off 'Urine' as wine! Think well and truly for all of Goa and support the efforts of PhillipThomas and myself. Phillip Thomas is thinking of all of Goa and all of India too; very much unlike you. Cheers! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne.
[Goanet]Re: Everyone is a Goan
Carlos, Jose Thanks for your humorous posts. Regards, George
RE: [Goanet]Moira road logic
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Moira road logic Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:08:12 +0530 Cecil P.S. Please note that Floriano is a man I respect and consider a friend. All this is just friendly banter. I think a little Aldona-Moira skirmish is far preferable to the Canada-USA war that is going on at GoaNet and boring most everyone to death. === Near death, young Cecil, to date, near dreary death... dead we are not yet, as the survivors we are! How long shall we survive is to maintain wit vs dreariniss.. and, you young Cecil shall be our captain to carry us to this victory (?). Alfred, your worthy sub-altern a.k.a, Sancho Panza!
Re: [Goanet]Re: Everyone is a Goan
On 23/06/05, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was doing some non-historical research at the Panjim Central Library this morning and this is what I learnt: Mahesh Gopalnath took the Aldona ferry as a young man and like his extensive posts, his ferry ride converted into a long, meandering voyage to America where he took the name Mario Goveia upon his initiation into the white-Christian party (Republicans as Howard Dean calls them). However, his primary motivation for the name change to a nice Catholic sounding name was to confess his cyber-sins... RESPONSE: I have heard authoritatively, that a banana boat via Jamaica was the carrier.The song by Harry Belafonte; come Mister tally man, tally me banana, was inspired by this Banana Man. Thought I'd clarify for sake of clarity! cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]Everyone is a Goan - new urban legend
Hey, George, This will surely get you in trouble with the Goanet Hoax Police, who will censure you for spreading urban legends. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I was doing some non-historical research at the Panjim Central Library this morning and this is what I learnt: Zubin Metha was born Zerome Mendes and grew up in Salcette. As a young boy, while playing at Colva beach, he got the idea to become a conductor and took the stage name Zubin Metha. It is not well known that his first job was a bus conductor on the Vasco-Panjim route which inspired him to Philharmonic conducting. In fact, a bus conductor job inspires most to anything except bus conducting. Englebert Humperdick was born in Chicalim. His birth name was Joao but when he visited Benaulim some people called him John. To avoid any confusion and a Portuguese-English conflict, he settled on the name Englebert Humperdick which is spelt in Romi Konkani as Englebert Humperdick. He used to hang out in Vasco as a teenager where the girls ignored him, hence the song A MAN WITHOUT LOVE.
[Goanet]Advice to Goenkars.
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/23perfin1.htm How to prevent credit card fraud Ellen Simon in New York | June 23, 2005 14:41 IST You may not be able to keep hackers or dishonest employees out of your credit card processors' office, but you can keep thieves from filching your credit card information from the garbage. Consumer advocates and credit card companies say people can take simple defensive measures, from checking statements often online to calling their credit card company immediately if a monthly statement doesn't appear in the mail. Credit card fraud is in the spotlight after a string of data thefts and losses, most recently the disclosure that 40 million credit and debit card accounts were at risk for fraud after hackers broke into a company that processes payments for all the major cards in the United States. Still, credit card fraud is on the decline in the US. Issuers lost only 4.7 cents for every $100 in credit card charges in 2004, down from a peak of 15 cents for every $100 in 1992, according to The Nilson Report, a trade publication. Why is fraud down? Cheap telecommunications costs mean that 98 per cent of all transactions receive authorisation. Systems built by Visa and MasterCard also run transactions through fraud-monitoring neural networks before they're authorised, according to Nilson Report. Visa introduced an authorisation system last week that checks each transaction against system-wide fraud patterns and personal spending habits. Such security measures mean that some unusual transactions can be denied. When New York swimsuit designer Judy Knight went on a buying trip to Cancun recently, American Express froze her card while she was shopping. The company wouldn't let her make purchases even after she got on the phone at one shop and verified her account number, her mother's maiden name and her own social security number. Knight was able to use the card only after an American Express representative checked her voice against her voicemail at work and spoke to her office receptionist to confirm she truly was an employee. She came back on the phone and said, 'Yeah, that's you,' said Knight. Yet even as the rate of credit card fraud shrinks, it remains a threat that consumers can fight by taking commonsense precautions: Make sure your credit card company has your current phone number so the company can call you if they see a suspicious pattern of charges on your card, said Tom Kelly, a senior investigator at Stroz Friedberg Investigations, a division of a computer forensics and technical services company. Don't use a debit card over the Internet. Your credit card fraud liability is limited at $50 but debit card fraud could drain your checking account, said Ed Mierzwinski, a consumer advocate at US Public Interest Research Group. If you get a phone call or an e-mail about suspicious activity on your account, give no information over the phone or online. Instead, take down the card representative's name and call them back at the number listed on the back of your card, Mierzwinski said. Keep track of your transactions. You should be able to tell a company representative what your last five transactions were, said Susanna Montezemolo, a policy analyst at Consumers Union. Use your credit card less, said Paul Richard, executive director of the Institute of Consumer Financial Education. His group sells credit card sleeves that read, If you can eat it, drink it or wear it, it's not an emergency. Notify your card company if a monthly statement or an expected new credit card fails to arrive in the mail. Shred statements once you've checked to make sure they're correct. Shred credit card solicitations, too, so someone else doesn't apply using your name. Keep your receipts and check your credit card statement against them. If you have online access to statements, check them weekly, Montezemolo said. Some people find, through an honest mistake, that a store has added an extra zero to a transaction, she said. Also be on the lookout for small unusual transactions, Mierzwinski said. Sometimes the bad guys will test an account at a gas station, he said. Keep a record of your account numbers, their expiration dates and the card company's phone number in a secure place. Don't leave your credit card payments in your home mailbox. Instead, mail them at a post office or a secure mailbox. When you travel, be careful about using your credit card at Internet cafes or anywhere with a wireless connection. Check your credit report at least once a year. If you find incorrect transactions on your statement, call your credit card company immediately then write the company with the same information and keep a copy of the letter, Montezemolo suggests. Taking precautions may seem like a pain, but the stakes are high. It's your financial well-being, said Montezemolo. It's surprising how many people don't do the things we assume everyone does: Check their credit card statements and bank balances
[Goanet]Re: ABC of Marriage
--- kenneth fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEAR CYNTHIA THIS IS A POSTING I HAVE POSTED BEFORE ON MANY GOAN AND MANGALOREAN GROUPS, INCLUDING THIS GROUP Y R U COPYING AND POSTING MY POST KEVIN cynmacfernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A - Absolutely adore each other B - Be best friends C - Compromise Good heavens, is the pot now calling the kettle black? Don't know if the two of you are related with the same last name, but certainly in the cut paste department you are. While posting to lists, remember some do not allow attachments and so your message comes across blank. You may want to take those groups of your list and spare us all the wasted bandwidth. Regards, George
[Goanet]Re: Moira Road Logic
Hi Cecil Floriano, Nice to see 'friendly' fights between Aldona and Moira. But I'm confused about the side I should take. My Grandfather was brought up in Burma/Aldona, but married a Nachnolkar and retired in Moira. All my childhood memories were based in Moira, so I guess I'm biased to the Moira camp. But then Moidekars are associated with madness, and that makes me think again. Thank heavens I'm living as a Benaulikar! :-) Nowaiteaarghh!!! They are known for their madness too! I was born in a Bandra hospital, and technically lived in the big city for a week. Does that make me a Bomoikar? Leaving my origins and villages behind, and talking about speed breakers, the Verna speed breakers were put up on the NH17 because of accidents on the road. However, when I waved my hand at the President of India, who visited Goa in 2004, the speed bumps were duly removed, for his majesty's comfort, and re-affixed the very next day of his departure. Mr. President, could you please move your residence from Delhi to Benaulim? I promise you Mr. President, I promise, as a Benaulikar to another Benaulikar, I won't make fun of you as a Benaulikar. In Benaulim, we don't need speed breakers to curb the speed of our speedsters. No, we don't have great road sense or cows on the roads, but we do have more than our fair share of potholes, lop-sided/sinking roads, village drunks and non-functioning street lights (they actually took off working streetlights and replaced them with non-functioning lights outside my home!) that help in reducing speeds and population levels too. Clinton.. A/S/L? : 24/m/Benaulim earlier you had said: P.S. Please note that Floriano is a man I respect and consider a friend. All this is just friendly banter. I think a little Aldona-Moira skirmish is far preferable to the Canada-USA war that is going on at GoaNet and boring most everyone to death.
[Goanet]Admission to Degree course .
Hello There!!! Can anyone(goa netter)IN GOA,inform me as to the Degree courses to be conducted in computer engineering or IT in GOA,AND the details of getting admission to the same,like preconditions,cost, hostel facilties, etc. URGENTLY. THANQ v.f. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Recent items from Goanet
Congratulations to Ben, Charles, Rahul and the producers of 'Raag'. Keep it up. Great to see Goans do well and prosper. Regards, George --- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada-based Goan author, Ben Antao has produced a new novel on the Goa Liberation struggle called 'Blood and Nemesis'. It was released at the International Centre, Dona Paula, Goa. Charles Correa, the celebrated Goan architect has been commissioned by his alma mater, the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA, to design its new neuroscience Centre. An interesting report has been presented by A. Veronica Fernandes about the release of a new Konkani Album 'Raag' in Kuwait. Finally, Rahul Alvares, provides details of his fascination for snakes and
[Goanet]New York Goans.
Picnicked at a nice beach park last sunday around a large table topped with pulao and sorpotel and Indian treats and feni. There were guitars and old songs and a even a few games. They also elected a new Committee for the year: Peter D'Souza D.Phil. was proposed for President by Ramesh Mehta and Michelle Higgins, and was duly elected, unopposed. Peter's wife, Loretta will continue treating us to Bandra East- Indian vindaloo, and Michelle will sing cousin Tony Brent's songs. Paul Coutto will keep an eye on funds, and keep up supplies of free bebidas - Goan and Scottish. Tillie Udipi will stay on as legal advisor, and Nonna Pantaky is permanent catering consultant. Cabby and Molly will enforce. For those who remember, Peter's dad supplied three generations of music makers with sheet music at his Marine Lines store. He was hockey captain, St Xaviers School class of '62, and remembers Hillary, George Waites, Luis Ramos - all Toronto, Dinky Fialho - IAF, the late Captain Clement Coutto, Steve Pinto, and Brige Vora - IAS, who sadly passed away in Delhi last week.eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Eight Gifts
Eight Gifts Eight Gifts that Do Not Cost A Cent: 1) THE GIFT OF LISTENING . . . But you must REALLY listen. No interrupting, no daydreaming, no planning your response. Just listening. 2) THE GIFT OF AFFECTION . . . Be generous with appropriate hugs, kisses, pats on the back and handholds. Let these small actions demonstrate the love you have for family and friends. 3) THE GIFT OF LAUGHTER . . . Clip cartoons. Share articles and funny stories. Your gift will say, I love to laugh with you. 4) THE GIFT OF A WRITTEN NOTE . . . It can be a simple Thanks for the help note or a full sonnet. A brief, handwritten note may be remembered for a lifetime, and may even change a life. 5) THE GIFT OF A COMPLIMENT . . . A simple and sincere, You look great in red, You did a super job or That was a wonderful meal can make someone's day. 6) THE GIFT OF A FAVOR . . . Every day, go out of your way to do something kind. 7) THE GIFT OF SOLITUDE . . . There are times when we want nothing better than to be left alone. Be sensitive to those times and give the gift of solitude to others. 8) THE GIFT OF A CHEERFUL DISPOSITION . . . The easiest way to feel good is to extend a kind word to someone, really it's not that hard to say, Hello or Thank You. Friends are a very rare jewel, indeed. They make you smile and encourage you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share a word of praise, and they always want to open their hearts to us. Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Ma-Ka-Paos, Rain Festivals, Bread and Majorda
Carlos wrote: I thought Mumbai Catholic Goans were called Makapaos (maka pao di - give me bread). Are Keralite Christian also called Makapaos? And what is the correct spelling of Makapaos (or Macapaos)? Dear Carlos, In matrilineal Hindi speaking communities, like Dhobitalao, Goans are referred to as 'ma-ka-paos' (mother's rain) but in patrilineal Hindi speaking communities, like Eastern Madhya Pradesh, they are referred to as 'pa-ka-paos' (father's rain). A direct linguistic etymological connection can be established here to Majorda which has produced more priests and poders (traditional bakers and not those fancy pastry makers from the Institute of Hotel Management) per square kilometer than any other village. There is wide debate in academic circles whether 'paos' refers to rain or is the plural of bread (pao). Also whether father's rain refers to a priestly Rev. Father or a normal father father. Just hold on while I pour another peg of this brilliant Caju Feni from Siolim. Viva Sao Joao! Viva Sao Joao! VIVA SAO JOAO! Just getting in the mood for tomorrow. Burp! Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet]RE: George Pinto's patently faux story about Everyone is a Goan
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zubin Metha was born Zerome Mendes and grew up in Salcette. As a young boy, while playing at Colva beach, he got the idea to become a conductor and took the stage name Zubin Metha. It is not well known that his first job was a bus conductor on the Vasco-Panjim route which inspired him to Philharmonic conducting. In fact, a bus conductor job inspires most to anything except bus conducting. Dear George Pinto, Have you joined Faux Nooj or what? What Faux (mis) inphormation are you posting here. Zubin Metha was born in Aldona and named Zuze bin Mathias (not Zerome Mendes as you very fauxly state). For reasons not known even to the Ponnje Maha-Informatoria, he left Bardez and decided to grow up in Salcete. Many sensible people do that (:-) - for one, the food is tastier in Salcete. As a young boy, while playing at Betul Beach ( not Colva beach as you wrongly point out), he got the idea to become a conductor and took the name Zubin Metha. His first job was that of a bus conductor but NOT on the Vasco-Panjim route (as you wrongly state) but on the Betul to Margao route. What you failed to record is what really it is about the Goa Bus Service that inspired him to Philharmonic conducting. It is the confusao, bus horns and window rattles which are sine qua non of bus travel in Goa. It is on one of those sweaty, smelly days as a conductor cum killinder while he was 'squeezing' past (yeah right) the young ladies standing in the hyper-crowded 8:30pm Margao-Betul bus that Zuze bin Mathias decided: Hey out of all this bobatt ani confusao, I can make Mujik! Now .write it down before you forget (:-) jc That 8:30pm Margao to Betul bus is know to stop service a few miles short of Betul - at a place called Assolna. From there you have two choices walk to your destination OR (sorry) no other choice _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]More about Goa's Central Library
If you wanted to know more about Goa's Central Library, here's the place to go: http://www.citizenchartersofgoa.nic.in/departments/centlib/intro.htm CENTRAL LIBRARY Central Library is the State Library of Goa. It was established as Publica Livraria during erstwhile Portuguese Rule in 1832, four years earlier to Calcutta Public Library. The library name underwent several changes, on the eve of liberation the library was known as Biblioteca Nacional de Goa, after liberation the library was renamed as Central Library. The Library has a rich collection of books in Portuguese, French English and Latin, which were acquired prior to liberation by way of purchase, legal provisions, or gift. Bibliographical rarities dating back to XVI XVII centuries also are found in this collection. Since liberation the books in English and in Indian languages like Marathi, Konkani, Hindi are being regularly added. Besides the library being a State Library comes under the purview of Press and Registration of Books Act, 1867 by virtue of which the library is entitled to receive 2 copies of every publication from Goa. Presently the collection runs to over 1.5 lakhs. Central Library being a public library functions as living force for education, culture and information as declared by Unesco in its Public Library Manifesto. Central Library is under the administrative control of Government of Goa, Directorate of Education. Curator is the Head of Central Library. The Curator Central Library Near Police HQ, Panaji - Goa phone No: 91-832-425730,436327 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]OFF TOPIC: Americans going to Cuba for free education.
dudas @ Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, on another net I belong to, someone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated yesterday, that Americans were stupid. Mario replies: By your statement above, you are only confirming to everyone on Goanet who accuse me of being overly pro-American, that you often understand little of what you read. duda, The output from your email address is astounding! One moment you want to be more American than the Americans and in the next email you call the Americans STUPID. Let me clarify, Mervyn. It is not Americans that are stupid, it is people who live in third world countries like Canada, you for example, who think so as your postings in the archives will show. I am not sure if the personalities involved at your email address allow you to read all that's sent to you. I have clearly stated that I have the utmost regard for real Americans. If you want, I will send you links to these emails. Finally, your reluctance to deny that email originating from your address has specifically called Americans stupid, speaks volumes about you. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Seb thinks the US invaded Iraq for oil!
Seb, Why don't you try and rebutt what I said in my posting on the subject, with some facts and opinions of your own? Why haven't you explained why the US left all that mid-east oil in 1991 and went home? What you have cut and pasted below says that strong countries have more options than weak ones. How does it make your point that the US liberated Iraq for oil? Where does it even refer to oil? You are right that Iraq is worse off - for the minority Sunnis and Saddam Hussain, whom you seem to have so much sympathy for. They were murdering the majority Shia and Kurds previously to subjugate them, and are now killing them to deny them the freedom and democracy they desire. --- Seb dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, I guess you need more bedrest. A never thought! check your post below, thats what you said. Even a one liner would have done. I don't need to read your long bashan. You can give that to people who follow your ideology. Anyway thanx all the same. PS: Btw you do good cut and paste work. ** Earlier: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote. Basically, countries do what serves their perceived interests. The strong ones have far more options than the weak ones, who are left to accept the status quo because there is nothing much they can do about anything. - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Seb thinks the US invaded Iraq for oil! --- Seb dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean; US invaded Iraq for Oil??? Sorry to say, but thats how it sounds to me ! Mario replies: Seb, I'm sorry, too, but it sounds the same to many people who know nothing about world affairs, and about who needs oil and who doesn't. These people also seem to know nothing about what Iraq was like under Saddam, Iraq is no better now either!!!
Re: [Goanet]Will India's UN nominees get Washington's nod?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indo-Asian News Service Washington, June 20, 2005 There is something in the diplomatic atmospherics in Washington that suggests India's aspirations to permanent membership of the UN Security Council may get some dramatic endorsement, perhaps from President George W Bush himself, during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's first official visit next month. I wonder what India's motives are. Remember that India got Goa only because one totalitarian country, USSR, which itself was practicing colonialism (known by another ism) vetoed the Security Council motion that India get of Goa. Today all the former colonies of USSR are independent ... Gabriel. Do you Yahoo!? Win a dream trip to Western Australia, courtesy of the NEW My Yahoo! http://au.my.yahoo.com/
[Goanet]Arch Bishop Millingo
Coming back to the first line I wrote, what are you up to? A coward who does not want to be recognised on this forum of Goencars, you shame us all. So how about standing up for the truth for once, and tell us who you really are. Truthfully of course! Cheers! salus [niz Goencar in Melbourne] Hi Goanetters, Mr Salus may know it @ 'know it all'. But, there was one who wrote in saying, 'have u sent a copy of your query to the vatican and got their reply from them?' - What was THAT all about. - AS IF I WILL. ...in my dreams. They kept him under house arrest (like - su chi yo min of Burma - controvertial person), for casting out devils, cos the white man (priest) cannot do the same. Black person becoming a pope? don't make me laugh. Ask the Indian priests who are working in the vatican or studying there - How they are treated. the only reason they are keeping their mouth shut is, - they will be sent back before their study or work period and every one at home will question their motives - so they rather shut up. Indians in the Vatican are treated like DOOR MATS thats for a fact. Milad Meah.
[Goanet]Re: Englebert
All, I inadvertently (and I was not trying to be cute), misspelt Englebert's last name in my prior post EVERYONE IS A GOAN. I apologize for the error. I have always had difficulty spelling his last name and copied it (his name not the post) from a website which I guess also got it wrong (or perhaps they were trying to be cute). I thank the goanetter who privately informed me of my mistake. Regards, George ... wrote: Dear George, Englebert Humperdick? That was VERY naughty!
Re: [Goanet]Re: Everyone is a Goan
George, Very true. George Bush family also hails from Goa. Bush family comes from Moira, their Aryan ancestors had migrated to India during the Aryan invasion and then settled in Gomantak, now called Goa. Regards, Carlos -Original Message- From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Goanet]Re: Everyone is a Goan All, I was doing some non-historical research at the Panjim Central Library this morning and this is what I learnt: Zubin Metha was born Zerome Mendes and grew up in Salcette. As a young boy, while playing at Colva beach, he got the idea to become a conductor and took the stage name Zubin Metha. It is not well known that his first job was a bus conductor on the Vasco-Panjim route which inspired him to Philharmonic conducting. In fact, a bus conductor job inspires most to anything except bus conducting. Englebert Humperdick was born in Chicalim. His birth name was Joao but when he visited Benaulim some people called him John. To avoid any confusion and a Portuguese-English conflict, he settled on the name Englebert Humperdick which is spelt in Romi Konkani as Englebert Humperdick. He used to hang out in Vasco as a teenager where the girls ignored him, hence the song A MAN WITHOUT LOVE. Cliff Richards was born in Anjuna. His birth name was Richards Fernandes. As a young boy he played by the Anjuna cliffs (this was before greedy developers stole the sand and the cliffs collapsed). His parents used to yell out and say Cliff, Richards to warn him from going too close to the cliff's edge. Hence the name Cliff Richards. He often visited his summer home in Moira over the school holidays, hence the title of his new album SOMETHING'S GOIN ON. As a matter of fact, all of us know something is going on in Moira, we just don?t know WHAT is going on. Mahesh Gopalnath took the Aldona ferry as a young man and like his extensive posts, his ferry ride converted into a long, meandering voyage to America where he took the name Mario Goveia upon his initiation into the white-Christian party (Republicans as Howard Dean calls them). However, his primary motivation for the name change to a nice Catholic sounding name was to confess his cyber-sins. To the non-Goans (and hidden spammers) on this list, please know that everyone is a Goan, all the world is Goa. Classified archaeological research soon to be made available under the Freedom of Information Act will show humankind originated in Goa. The Book of Genesis will show Goa was created in 6.5 days (perfection takes awhile), the rest of the imperfect world took half a day. So know you know the truth. Regards, George
Fwd: [Goanet]Susie a Goan? Then Sonny is, too.
Mario Eric, Thanks Eric for the info. We can now say Susie is a Goan and Sonny is a Goan son-in law. I had heard that Susie's Dad was from Portugal. Regards, Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Her late father, who i have met, was with the World Bank in Washington. She is a niece of the Conductor, Caesar Coelho and Prof. Yvette Coelho Aguiar - all Porvorim Nobles. Yvette, 90, founded the Alliance Francaise de Westchester, New York, fifteen years ago. eric. Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Goan? Then Sonny is, too. Good point. This may make Sonny Bono a Goan posthumously.
[Goanet]Not my best match: Sania
Not my best match: Sania June 23, 2005 19:50 IST Despite impressing one and all with her valiant performance in the second round of Ladies' singles at Wimbledon on Wednesday, Sania Mirza is not ready to rate it as the best match of her fledgling career. I lost the match, whatever it was. Even if I played the best tennis of my life, I still lost the match. I still think when I played her in Dubai that was the best match of my career, because I won it, the 18-year-old Indian said after pushing world No. 5 Svetlana Kuznetsova to the wall on the hallowed Centre Court of Wimbeldon. Sania, who beat Kuznetsova in the Dubai Open earlier this year, refused to concede that her victory in the UAE gave her a psychological edge in Wednesday's match. Well, it has to be at the back of her mind that I had beaten her before. She was ready for it. You could see; whatever my ranking is, whatever her ranking is, I think she was ready from the start. She knew I could come back and I knew she could always come back. When I went out there I didn't think that I had beaten her in Dubai or anything like that. Every day is a different day. It just depends on how you play on that particular day. I think we matched each other point to point except for that one point where she made an exceptionally good volley, Sania said. The Indian star was referring to what she considered was the turning point of the match, when Kuznetsova, facing break-point in the third set, came up with an amazing volley winner. I think what separated us was that volley she made at break-point, at 5-4. That was one amazing volley she made. Credit to her for that! I think that's where I just lost out on that point in the third set. I still don't think anything went wrong. 5-2 down, I came back to 5-4. Could have gone any way, even at 5-4, Sania was quoted as saying by the official Wimbledon web site. The Hyderabad youngster really lapped up each and every moment from the sizzling encounter and said she just loved it. Great (feeling). I think it's everyone's dream to play on Centre Court. First time Wimbledon, playing on Centre, I was... you know, I loved it. It was great, she said. Speaking about her dreams, the 2003 Wimbledon junior doubles champion said the cherished one is to play in the Wimbledon final. You always have dreams. When you start playing tennis, you always dream that you are going to play Wimbledon Centre Court one day. That dream came true for me early in my life. But I hope I'll have many more Centre Court matches to play. I hope I'll be here second Saturday on Centre Court. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Recent items from Goanet
From http://www.goanvoice.org.uk RECENT ITEMS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST ON GOANET. BY CORNEL DACOSTA Canada-based Goan author, Ben Antao has produced a new novel on the Goa Liberation struggle called 'Blood and Nemesis'. It was released at the International Centre, Dona Paula, Goa. Charles Correa, the celebrated Goan architect has been commissioned by his alma mater, the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA, to design its new neuroscience Centre. Readers of the Goan Voice (UK) will find excellent continuing coverage and analyses of Wimbledon 2005 from the veteran Goan Sports reporter Mr Eastaquio Santimano. While most GV(UK) readers will be familiar with the role of the Catholic Church in Goa, insights into the role of the Syrian Christians around Kochi, and in particular, through their endeavours, the availability of distinctive higher education there is well worth finding out about. An interesting report has been presented by A. Veronica Fernandes about the release of a new Konkani Album 'Raag' in Kuwait. Attached to this report is a brief history of Goan Tiatro starting with Italian Burgo in Bombay and the production of the earliest song/music cassettes and CDs, later on, by excellent Goan musicians and song writers. Finally, Rahul Alvares, provides details of his fascination for snakes and how to handle them safely. Rahul's presentational style, with graphics, is very infectious and one must wonder why any of us have been fearful of reptiles which are plentiful in Goa. Please visit the Goanet archives at http://www.goanet.org/ To subscribe to Goanet send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]On the use of aliases
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear salus for our collective info.the following from GoaNet: Rules and Regulations Use your real name as the Sender, not an alias. The continual appearance of Milad's posts indicates to me that they have concluded that Milad might be his/her real name. or. Those rules are only to be selectively applied good wishes as always Mario asks: And how about the mythical Halur Rasho? Is that his or her real name?
[Goanet]Bhupathi-Woodbridge in second round
Bhupathi-Woodbridge in second round June 23, 2005 18:53 IST Indian ace Mahesh Bhupathi and Todd Woodbridge of Australia advanced to the second round of the men's doubles at Wimbledon on Wednesday. The sixth seeds got the better of Graydon Oliver and Jared Palmer of the United States 6-4, 6-2, 6-7(5/7), 6-3 in a first round match. The Indo-Australian pair will take on Stephen Huss of Australia and Wesley Moodie of South Africa, who rallied to beat the French-Belgian duo of Cyril Saulnier and Tom Vanhoudt 6-7(6/7), 6-3, 6-2, 6-3, on Thursday. Leander Paes and Nenad Zimonjic were tied at a set apiece against Luicas Arnold of Argentina and Daniele Bracciali of Italy on Wednesday. The scores were 7-6(2), 6-7(5) 0-0 when the match was called off for the day. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]IFFI... call for (film) entries
Directorate of Film Festivals has called for entries for the Indian Panorama (IFFI 2005) section from film producers. This is open to both feature and non-feature films. This ad doesn't say whether the IFFI will be held in Goa. But while this was announced last year, Goa's new CM Pratapsing Rane says he wants the bill to be footed by the Centre, if IFFI is to be held here. Non-feature films, to qualify, must be made in any Indian language, shot on 35 mm, 16 mm or on wider gauge or digital format but released on either film or Betacam SP (broadcast quality) format. t also needs to be produced in India and certified by the Central Board of Film Certification, between August 1, 2004 and July 31, 2005 (both days inclusive). The advert, on Page 17 of the Times of India of June 23, 2005 (Thursday) also seeks entries for the Asian competition section of the 36th IFFI. Details at http://mib.nic.in/dff Last date for receipt of entries for Indian Panorama is August 16, 2005. Entry forms and regulations can be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meanwhile, just a note to say the docuwallahs list has now touched 150 members. Thanks for being with us! FN = docuwallahs2 for information on documentary film in india http://groups.yahoo.com/group/docuwallahs2 = Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]New address
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[Goanet]Re: Everyone is a Goan
All, I was doing some non-historical research at the Panjim Central Library this morning and this is what I learnt: Zubin Metha was born Zerome Mendes and grew up in Salcette. As a young boy, while playing at Colva beach, he got the idea to become a conductor and took the stage name Zubin Metha. It is not well known that his first job was a bus conductor on the Vasco-Panjim route which inspired him to Philharmonic conducting. In fact, a bus conductor job inspires most to anything except bus conducting. Englebert Humperdick was born in Chicalim. His birth name was Joao but when he visited Benaulim some people called him John. To avoid any confusion and a Portuguese-English conflict, he settled on the name Englebert Humperdick which is spelt in Romi Konkani as Englebert Humperdick. He used to hang out in Vasco as a teenager where the girls ignored him, hence the song A MAN WITHOUT LOVE. Cliff Richards was born in Anjuna. His birth name was Richards Fernandes. As a young boy he played by the Anjuna cliffs (this was before greedy developers stole the sand and the cliffs collapsed). His parents used to yell out and say Cliff, Richards to warn him from going too close to the cliff's edge. Hence the name Cliff Richards. He often visited his summer home in Moira over the school holidays, hence the title of his new album SOMETHING'S GOIN ON. As a matter of fact, all of us know something is going on in Moira, we just dont know WHAT is going on. Mahesh Gopalnath took the Aldona ferry as a young man and like his extensive posts, his ferry ride converted into a long, meandering voyage to America where he took the name Mario Goveia upon his initiation into the white-Christian party (Republicans as Howard Dean calls them). However, his primary motivation for the name change to a nice Catholic sounding name was to confess his cyber-sins. To the non-Goans (and hidden spammers) on this list, please know that everyone is a Goan, all the world is Goa. Classified archaeological research soon to be made available under the Freedom of Information Act will show humankind originated in Goa. The Book of Genesis will show Goa was created in 6.5 days (perfection takes awhile), the rest of the imperfect world took half a day. So know you know the truth. Regards, George
[Goanet]If it's Thursday... and items from Kenya
If it's Thursday, by evening the temple in our village reminds you of the fact, by playing devotional (and other) music via the loudspeaker. By late evening, Eddie Fernandes' GoanVoice.org.uk newsletter enters your mailbox -- with unfailing regularity. The latest issue has some interesting links to items related to the Nairobi Institute centenary celebrations. Including: * NI Centenary Celebrations Report http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/NICentenary.html * Nairobi Institute: All Set to Celebrate Its 100 Years http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1newsid=50871 * Nairobi Institute: Down Memory Lane http://allafrica.com/stories/200506060714.html * Nairobi Institute: Silent Contributors http://allafrica.com/stories/200506060691.html [Mentions JM Nazareth, Romeo Fernandes, Joe Rodrigues, H da Gama Rose etc] Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]What if Zubin's heart is in Goa?
--- rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity of sharing with you my thoughts on Goa and Goans -the question I often ask is - If a Goan decides to settle in Kerala or Maharastra - does he call himself / herself a Kearalite or Maharastrian ? and why does he refrain from doing so ? I believe that one needs to be PROUD of what one is born into - and one needs to make the best of the situtation we are put into ... enjoy the good and help to overcome the bad. - BE HAPPY ! Mario opines: I'm not sure whether you want the Goan who settles in some other state to call himself or herself a Goan or not, but I agree wholeheartedly with your advice to make the best with the hand we're dealt. Ancestry is the result of a biological crapshoot. As the saying goes, one cannot choose one's biological parents. So, being a Goan, Keralite, Maharashtrian, etc. is a biological fact, or not, and the only options seem to be to look in the rear-view mirror and be proud of this accident of nature, or look forward to achievements of one's own making. My sense is that, even in India, it will be harder to determine one's ancestry as we go along because of the boom in mixed marriages worldwide.
Re: [Goanet]Susie a Goan? Then Sonny is, too.
Good point. This may make Sonny Bono a Goan posthumously. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, I heard on this net that Manglorians were originally from Goa. So Susie could be a Goan. Carlos -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]What if Zubin's heart is in Goa? Carlos, I'm still trying to figure out the significance of a mansion in Arpora. Someone said previously that Englebert was from Cuncolim. My criterion is the old adage that Home is where the heart is. Unfortunately we will never know where Sonny Bono's heart was, and I'm not sure Susie is a Goan. I heard she's a Mangy. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not qualify as being a Goan, not even if he owned a sumptuous mansion in Arpora. Mario, Zubin never expected long discussions on Goanet on qualifications required to be a Goan. He thought Feni/Sorpatel would do. He was wrong. So he is now thinking of becoming UN-GOAN. Mario, Do you know if Late Sonny Bono could be qualified as a Goan. His third ex-wife is our famous Susuie Coelho (HGTV) and she is originally from our GREAT INDIA. Regards, Carlos
Re: [Goanet]Moira road logic
--- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gabriel, Next time you are down in Goa please drive from Mapusa to Aldona. At three places (Moira-Moira-Nachinola) there have been sets of two speed-breakers installed that mar an otherwise pleasant drive on a wide hot-mixed road. These speed-breakers are at places where a minor road intersects a major road. Will have the opportunity of doing that soon, when I next visit my brother-in-law in Nachinola :-) Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Do you Yahoo!? Win a dream trip to Western Australia, courtesy of the NEW My Yahoo! http://au.my.yahoo.com/
[Goanet]EL. Power Goa TT1 (Think Tank-3rd)
Hi all, As a Goan and being fond of Goa so much, is the reason, I have made this effort and will continue with it; however it is always better to get some constructive input from goanetters, in Goa as well as from those living outside Goa/ India. Philip Thomas writes in response to: 'Of power Woes in Goa'. Electricity Supply (steady, reliable, weather and tamper proof, cost effective) is Basic, among other things. Basic it is. Definitively a very Basic Requirement for every day living. And what do we find? Failure every where? Even Public Institutions are not spared from the effects of utter Incompetency on the part of the Electricity Department. Earlier, I have pointed out how the power supply situation can be resolved without any additional funding, and under existing constraints, in villages and towns, downstream from the local Transformer, supplying the local area. Then in the future, after the supply situation, has stabilised, more Transformers or upgrading the Transformer Capacity can be taken up; This is where additional funding comes in. Then there is also the solution with using 'insulated cables or underground cables'. From the Transformer to the various sub divisions covered by the particular Transformer, undergroung cables (just like the phone companies have already laid, in rural areas) can be laid and expedited, as a matter of utmost urgency, and on a war footing; Half the cost can come from the consumers and half from the Govt. or Supply Company; Consumer costs can be recovered monthly or half yearly from those who cannot afford, and in full from those who can; The cost of this will not be very high, as a number of households will be sharing the cost of any single cable and laying costs. In fact the consumers will be very grateful, as this is going to gaurantee uniterrupted supply of power, and they will have many a good night's sleep; and more inportantly live the modern age; without automatic enforced defrosting of refrigerators, without damages to their electrical equipment, and be able to use the full potential of their PC's and TVs, and have the cyberworld at their feet, just as I am doing here, all the time. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Tackling these problems on a war footing is required; But Goa has never been to war! This is a new kind of war; our war; Goan residents war, against the apathy and total incompetence of the Govt. the Electricity Dept. and their staff starting from the top to the lowest staff member. The Govt. and the bureaucrats and the Engineers etc in the Dept. cannot be relied on any more, as they are in a frame of mind and attitude that is not synonymous with innovation and or progress. This is my lowly opinion of these useless, no work cheats, in th employ of the taxpayer! I suggest complete privatisation, immediately, of the transmission, supply and distribution, to all consumers within Goa. The Govt. can maintain rights only of Procuring power for the state from within or without, control over pricing and seeing that the poorest of the poor are not disadvantaged, The poor can be subsidised by the Govt. for the extra costs that are going to come with effeciency and privatisation. This subsidy should come from within the local area; by way of an excess on unit power. Why I am saying this because, the locals know better than the Govt, as to who is really poor and needy, rather than the Govt. bureaucrats; and since the subsidy is going to come 'off' them; the locals will make sure that the persons claiming the subsidy are genuine! Privitisation alone can bring about some sanity and purpose in this field, of Essential Services. The Govt. will procure power and sell it to the Private Company and the Company will then recover the costs and the expenses and the profit, of course, from the consumers; The consumer then will only pay if they are assured of proper supply as per their contract. This gaurantees that the company will go all out to deliver. The conditions of supply etc. and the responsibilities of both consumer and supplier must be properly laid out in law, and enforceable. Goa is one of the more affluent States in the Country, and most people are prosperous, (does not matter where their income comes from) and are therefore able to pay up for the excellent facility that they are going to get. Then once this is acheived, there will automatically be more investment , more improvement all round and most Goans from Gulf etc who are running away to N. America, UK, and Australia may want to come back, invest and or settle in Goa. It will specially attract a lot of people wanting to retire in Goa, along with their savings etc. All this will be a big boost all round, to the happiness of everyone. END of MISERY !!! Of course the water supply, sanitation, roads etc are other essential services. More on that under other headings, which I encourage goanetters to write on, and help Goa and
[Goanet]Blindspot In Meaningful Aviation Planning
SPECK IN THE OTHERS EYE,IGNORING THE MOTE IN YOUR OWN With utmost respect I beg to submit that 'there are none so blind as those who refuse to see, and none so deaf as those who refuse to hear. And so on it can go on. Since I am sufficiently stimulated by the loud talk of the Article into NOT wanting to be categorised as ,,,none so dumb as those who refuse to speak, I am constrained to FOCUS attention to some of the FALLACIES underying the viewpoint of Mr Philip Thomas, which are discernible to my limited and UNTUTORED perception: FALLACIES a}that military and civilian uses are mutually incompatible/exclusive. b}that military and civilian aspects of national security are seperate, hermetic compartments. c}that development of another airport in North Goa would neccessarily eat into the tourism pie of Goa. d}that if the airport in Mopa also massages development in Maharashtra,it would be against the interests of India. e}that Managements of Hotels in South Goa are so ossified/fossilised ,that they would be completely unable to respond to the changing Aviation scenario in Goa. f} that the citizens of India residing in SOUTH GOA, have greater priority than citizens of India residing in NORTH GOA, to infrastructure,employment -generation,business opportunities, accessibility and convenience. g}that the Tourism Industry has yet not factored the prospect of the airport in North Goa in their business plans ,and are yet to take off the block in terms of accquiring land in North Goa in the vicinity of the Airport to further their business prospects in Goa. h}that hotel businessess currently operating in SOUTH GOA have a divine/inalienable right to control every variable in the business environment that might even remotely impact their business. j}that the YOUTH in North Goa, have no stake whatsoever in the EMPLOYMENT GENERATING CAPACITY OF THE AIRPORT IN MOPA. k}that the new airport in MOPA is out of SYNC with the National Aviation Policy. l}that it is utterly neccessary to protect the STATUS QUO and not build another Airport in North Goa, as this would be against the interests of ALL GOANS/INDIANS. COME ON MR THOMAS RESPECT THE READERS OF GOANET.LET NOT MILK BE PASSED OFF AS SEASONED WINE __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
[Goanet]False Innuendo, Insinuations and Accusations against me
Folks, Joe Vaz has insinuated that I am involving in the following (Please see some of his quotes below): 1. In lobbying other netters/friends for support and to strategize to browbeat anyone who differs with what I profess. 2. In canvassing popular net-vote/support by using a clandestine lobbying technique. 3. In applying on Goanet a practice that is skillfully perfected and successfully employed in politics. He has further accused that I was lobbing for support by ccing my Goanet post to some Goanetters, and that Goanet was prudent enough to cover my mistake. The above insinuations and accusations against me are false. I solemnly affirm upon my honor that I am not now involved, nor ever was involved, in any of these activities. I am not a member, owner, convener or moderator of any kind of clandestine Goan network or any other closed sectarian network. The only two yahoogroups whose archives are private, and of which I am a sole owner and moderator, are a prize winner selection committee and a Goa Medical College classmates group. Cheers, Santosh JOE VAZS FALSE CHARGES Joe Vaz falsely insinuates Santosh: Well, I have learned something for sure. I have learned how some netters lobby other netters/friends for support and strategize to browbeat anyone who differs with what they profess. No wonder there is something called the popular net-vote/support by using the clandestine lobbying technique. This practice is skillfully perfected and successfully employed in politics; why not apply it on Goanet? Joe Vaz falsely accuses Santosh: Goanet on the other hand was prudent enough to cover up your mistake through a system that weeds out all cced e-addresses...But then, Santosh was simply lobbying for support, and I can understand that.
Re: [Goanet]Brits are the experts on mad cow disease
Hey, Gabe, Doesn't it make sense to you that the US should ask Blighty for help with mad cows, since the Brits have the most experience with mad cows? --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3229428 Feds skipped key mad cow disease test in 2004 case USDA changes its protocols after animal initially had been cleared By DAVID IVANOVICH Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
Re: [Goanet]Spreading common sense
--- Seb dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First we cut and paste stupid hoaxes and urban legends to this public forum, then we try to defend them, then we try telling everyone how good it is to watch your behind. Mario advises Seb: Hey, Seb, DON'T watch your behind when you sit in a public place, and the same advice to Santosh, Sandeep and Samir as well. Are you all satisfied now?
Re: [Goanet] Debunk hoaxes, then use common sense
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santosh, For a fellow who claims to live by facts, you're making one huge assumption about people's spare time and energy. Peter, It is a scientific fact that writing an email, even one containing plagiarized garbage, takes some spare time (measured in seconds) and energy (measured in calories). Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]What if Zubin's heart is in Goa?
Goa Goans ! ARE we PROUD to be Goans ? why should we bother about others .being Goans ? How does that help Goa and its people ? If these discussion are just to pass our time , then - I would encourage you good people to continue to do so. I would like to take this opportunity of sharing with you my thoughts on Goa and Goans -the question I often ask is - If a Goan decides to settle in Kerala or Maharastra - does he call himself / herself a Kearalite or Maharastrian ? and why does he refrain from doing so ? I believe that one needs to be PROUD of what one is born into - and one needs to make the best of the situtation we are put into ... enjoy the good and help to overcome the bad. - BE HAPPY ! Having said that , may I remind you good GOANS wherever you may be - that WE - GOAN ORGANISATIONS world wide - have set a side a day - the 20th of August 2005 - a day to celebrate BEING a Goan,our Goan Cultural Heritage , Our Goan History ...in short all things Goan... you too have a choice , you can also JOIN us ! For details Please visit our website www.goaday.com and our electnonic album at http://community.webshots.com/album/41541835asPAuJ VIVA GOA DAY 2005 rene barreto www.goaday.com = --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not qualify as being a Goan, not even if he owned a sumptuous mansion in Arpora. Mario, Zubin never expected long discussions on Goanet on qualifications required to be a Goan. He thought Feni/Sorpatel would do. He was wrong. So he is now thinking of becoming UN-GOAN. Mario, Do you know if Late Sonny Bono could be qualified as a Goan. His third ex-wife is our famous Susuie Coelho (HGTV) and she is originally from our GREAT INDIA. Regards, Carlos __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]]BLINDSPOT IN MEANINGFUL AVIATION PLANNING
Congratulations - Philip -- your letter to Sucheta is very clear and to the point Thanks Aloysius - Original Message - From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: [Goanet]BLINDSPOT IN MEANINGFUL AVIATION PLANNING | Ms Sucheta Dalal | Reputed Business Columnist | | Dear Ms Dalal: | | I enjoyed your column in INDIAN EXPRESS, June 19, 2005, titled Wither | Airports?. You were right to highlight the fact that our aviation | authorities are unprepared for the monumental challenge of making our | airports uptodate, including A380-ready. This commendable stance is, | however, in stark contrast to an earlier report by others in the same paper | (on May 27) which blithely recommended that Goa go in for an A380 airport at | a greenfield site (Mopa in Goa) by 2014! Although this report made no | ripples at all, at least that I know of, it may still do incalculable harm | to Goa's already distorted aviation scene by further skewing the badly | needed efforts to improve it. In fact a careful look at the vexed problem of | Goa's aviation scenario may shed useful light on the overall national | problem of urgently updating our airport infrastructure that you have | rightly called for in your June 19 column. | | Great Wall of Goa | | What the May 27 report failed to disclose was that Goa's sole airport, | Dabolim in the south, is controlled since the early 1960s by the Navy which | places unrealistic restrictions on a tourism oriented facility in the name | of interminably training a couple of squadrons of pilots for carrier based | fighter operation using obsolescent and tricky Sea Harriers. | | As you may be aware, the Navy has recently commissioned a mammoth base | called Project Seabird at Karwar about 100 km south of Goa in Karnataka. The | ostensible purpose of this project is to decongest Mumbai harbour. However | there is no commensurate will to decongest Dabolim airport for civilian | flight purposes i.e. by shifting military flight training etc to Seabird or | even other places. The air station there is still only on paper, awaiting | financial and other high level clearances. It could become a reality in the | next phase of the project. Its another matter that the Karwar terrain is not | all that suitable for any airflield which is much more than of minimal | proportions. | | In the mean time, Dabolim has been booked for training pilots of MIG29Ks | which have recently been acquired along with an old Russian aircraft | carrier. These carrier based fighters are said to be the first to be ordered | by any Navy in the world. So the prospect of the Navy easing up on civilian | flight restrictions at Dabolim in the foreseeable future are quite dim. | That's why I call the military presence at Dabolim airport the Great Wall of | Goa! The only way out may be to push for joint military/civilian management | which is not unheard of abroad in places like the U.S. But where will the | push for this come from? More on this later. | | Mopa | | For the past couple of years, a proposal has been doing the rounds for a | greenfield airport at Mopa in North Goa. There is natural resistance to this | for several reasons. First, it is feared that once Mopa is ready then | civilian flghts at Dabolim will have to cease. There are several precedents | for this. This happened at the Navy air station in Kochi when the | public/private greenfield airport called CIAL came up nearby a few years | ago. The same thing is due to occur at HAL controlled Bangalore airport when | the new BIAL comes up in 2-3 years time. | | A discontinuation of civilian flights like this would always be a boon for | the military which would naturally prefer a free run at its bases. It is | another matter whether the Navy, whose essential armament is carrier based | aircraft, really needs an airport with a mammoth 11,000 foot runway which is | fit for jumbo jets (including perhaps the A380 after a suitable upgrade of | the type you described). Thus Dabolim at present, you will appreciate, is a | purely dog-in-the-manger situation. | | On the other hand, Mopa would cut into the business of South Goa hotels | which depend heavily on international chartered and scheduled domestic | flights at close-in Dabolim. There is also a strong hunch in Goa that Mopa | would only give a much needed boost to emerging competitor resorts in | southern Maharashtra. In fact the INDIAN EXPRESS article of May 27 | graphically shows links to offbeat places like Ratnagiri, Kolhapur, | Sindhudurg etc from Mopa, while ostensibly emphasising an aircraft | (A380)which is meant for hub-to-hub international travel. | | Low Cost Aviation | | Now that India has finally caught the low cost aviation bug there may be | some hope for beleaguered civil aviation at Dabolim. It is beginning to be | realised that there is a
