[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * July 28, 2006 * Third murder, 17-year-old girl, in a month in Calangute-Candolim belt * Gusty winds play havoc in Goa
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[Goanet] 28th July FRIDAY BALCAO to focus on Goa Govt. SEZ policy.
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com -- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO -- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, Friday Balcao the fortnightly discussion event to be held on 28th July will focus on the Goa Govt. policy on Special Economic Zones. The Goa Govt. has recently announced its policy on Special Economic Zones (SEZs) and the same was published in the Official Gazette in Series 1 No.15 dated 13th July 2006. The socio-economic & political implications for citizens will be enormous as the setting up of these Special Economic Zones will impact Goa being the smallest state in the country. Some of points covered in this policy are: The setting up of Special Economic Zones will be permitted in the public, private joint sector or by the State Governments. These SEZ's are to be deemed foreign territory for tariff and trade operations. The State Government will take appropriate steps to declare the SEZ's as Industrial Townships to enable the SEZ's to function as self-governing autonomous municipal bodies. The State Government shall make appropriate and exclusive arrangements within the SEZs for the maintenance of law and order. It is therefore evident that these SEZ's will impact democracy and law & order in Goa as they are going to enjoy special privileges over the existing business houses & residents. It may be recalled that earlier the Govt. had tried to convert Goa into a Free Port after the Ranauq Singh Committee had identified the State as the most suitable location for the same. Subsequently this proposal went a step further and various models of the Free Port were being suggested and studied by the Indian Institute of Foreign Trade (IIFT) New Delhi. The study by IIFT even recommended a casino based Free Port for Goa modelled on Macau which did not materialize due to stiff opposition from various quarters. The present experience of the Industrial Estates managed by the Goa Industrial Development Corporation (GIDC) is interesting as they were de linked from the Village Panchayats and Municipal Councils in whose jurisdiction they were set up. Issues linked to Industrial Estates such as power shortages, air pollution, sanitation, garbage disposal, toxic & hazardous scrap, crime, taxation and migrant labour influx have been regularly debated in the village Gram sabhas & Municipal Council meetings. In matters of Law and Order the earlier controversial proposal of an Auxiliary Police Force contained in the Goa Police Bill (which did not get the assent of the President of India) seems to have resurfaced in the case of the SEZ's. What will be the impact of the current SEZ policy on the forthcoming Panchayat and Assembly elections ? Will the residents of the various villages and towns be used for their votes while the politicians will convert some of the present Industrial Estates into SEZ's of the future ? Was there in fact a plan to declare the Rajiv Gandhi IT Habitat at Dona Paula and the proposed IT Park at Socorro as SEZ's so that they can then be converted into Industrial Townships to enable the SEZ's to function as self-governing autonomous municipal bodies ? Is the land for the proposed Pharma Park at Keri-Savoi Verem in Ponda Taluka, the IT Retreat at Mandrem in Pernem Taluka, the Food Park in Naqueri-Quitol in Quepem Taluka, the Rajiv Gandhi IT Habitat at Dona Paula in Tiswadi Taluka, the IT Park at Socorro in Bardez Taluka and the Industrial Estates in Verna & Cuncolim in Salcete Taluka part of the Master Plan for development of Industrial Townships ? How does the proposed Mopa Airport and Expressway fit in this Master Plan ? Will SEZ policy of the Goa Govt. eventually facilitate Goa being a remodelled Free Port ? The Balcao discussion will cover these questions and also evolve an agenda for action by citizens on the issue. Friday Balcao will be from 4pm to 6pm at the Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11 Liberty Apartments Feira Alta, Mapusa and is open to members of the public. We invite you to attend the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. C
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons"
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For a change, the religion-bashers are on the run! > First it is "no disrespect to religion". Then it is the disrespect which > needs "protection from > censorship". Now it's, we are "victimized" because we are not permitted to > use "religious > parody". Since when did Goanet become a bulletin board on religion parody or > English > literature? Since this is Christian Goanet, I have a confession to make. I think it was wrong to suggest Gilbert is the Goan Moses, he might actually be the second coming. While it took a good peg of feni to make it past the first sentence of his usual confused posts and a bottle to finish the entire post, it is now clear that he is on to something important. Every word drips with wisdom, every phrase with profundity, every sentence with sensibility. We should demand that Gilbert share his wisdom on every forum, several times a day. Gilbert, can you make a speech about the LION KING. Should the kingdom have been divided into atheists, agnostics, theists? Should Christian lions be separate from the rest and should religious parody be allowed in the kingdom? Are only Christian lions allowed to insult others or should insults be banned as long as it is done by non-Christians lions? Are Christian lions morally superior to all others, or merely agnostic and atheistic lions? Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Why SEZ could work for Goa but inevitably will not.
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com We need a CEO for Goa. A CEO who will sit down and do a SWOT analysis, establish a brand identity and map out a five year plan on exactly how, this vision is going to be established. First of all, we have to decide what our brand is. Given that tourism was handed to us on a silver-platter, we failed miserably to reap its full potential. The three S's of a world-class tourist destination are sun, sand and shopping. While mercifully, the sun and sand came courtesy of a generous mother-earth, our politicians could not in 40 years of a lucrative tourist market, develop Goa into a shopping zone. A walk down the corniche of Colva, the silver-sanded paradise of the South, brings home this dismal point. The few carpet shops that hug the dirt road leading to the beachfront, do not even have a footpath for shoppers to walk on. But that is small-fry compared to what should have been achieved within 40 years. Sri Lanka spun-out from its gigantic tourism industry, an even more powerful export industry of handicrafts, garments, specially packaged teas, etc. Almost every country that is the beneficiary of tourism, also has a lucrative industry in handicrafts. Why did Goa fail dismally in this respect? Is it that indigenous handicrafts were lacking? Hardly, we could have set up factories for blue & white pottery, (a shop in Fountainhas churns it out on a very small- scale), backed initiatives in needlepoint like crochet, (very lucrative in Maccau), batik, Kashmiri Crewel, furniture caning, and a host of handicrafts which Goans are traditionally known for or we could have imported know-how from other states. Even if one postulates that this was not feasible, we could look still have turned Goa into a commercial shopping zone, much as Dubai has. We should have subsidised and begged retailers from Mumbai and Bangalore, such as Shoppers Stop, to set up shop in Goa. Sometimes we have to galvanise demand by sheer dint of effort and well aimed publicity. If people can fly to Bangalore for a weekend of shopping, they can fly to Goa for a weekend of shopping, sun and sand, instead of cheap booze and a shack-meal. This is what brings money into our economy. Not ferry tours down the Mandovi river. Enter the SEZ. Here at last is an opportunity to lure investment into Goa, even 100%FDI investment. Inevitably, our politicians will entice some land-grabbing manufacturing unit to set-up shop. Some project that will be abandoned two to three years after thousands of trees are felled and acres of land destroyed. What we need instead is industry that is aligned with tourism. Manufacturing units that will further advertise Goa as a tourist destination. Let's have manufacturing units that produce furniture, batiks, carpets, tiles, garments, superior quality handicrafts to come into Goa, to cater to the local tourist market as well as the export market. Let's have India's top retailers and fashion houses set up shop in Goa. Let them export to the rest of the world from Goa. This way, we have synergy and resources working in tandem, always furthering Goa's image as a top-notch tourist destination. SEZs, could work but given the lack of vision displayed by our politicians, inevitably will not. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 2006 Calangute Social September 23rd,2006
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com 2006 Calangute Social September 23rd,2006 The Calangute Association of Canada, would like to extend an invitation to all of you to attend the fifteenth anniversary on Saturday, September 23, 2006 at the Clairport Place Banquet and Convention Centre, 65 Claireport Crescent, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada. A night to remember. From 6.00 p.m. To 1.00 a.m. Fifteenth anniversary gala ball dinner buffet (prepared by authentic Goan/Portuguese/Italian/Canadian/Ceylon Chefs). Hors d’oeurs: Vegetable Pakora and Meat Balls on cocktail sticks. Caldo Verde Soup- Veal parmigana - Egg plant mojo -Chicken pili pili Ceylones shrimp masala Arroz Refogado (Goan Pulao), Mixed Vegetables - Penna alla vodka (in white sauce) - Potato masala Tossed Garden Salad,Choice of dressing - Vegetable tray - Dinner rolls/butter Dosa Bar: Masala Dosa, Ghee Dosa, Plain Dosa etc. Dessert-Buffet, Tea/Coffee. Dress formal. Dance to popular band 'Goa Amigos' and DJ Fatz. Special Goan, Portuguese and Canadian floor show. Fireworks and surprises. Cash bar. Mini bazaar: Sale of members' crafts, preserves, delicacies (Goan sausages, bebinca, pickles, chutneys etc.) Special anniversary rates: Adults & Seniors $25.00 Children under 12 years $15.00. We welcome prizes and cash donations Purchase your tickets early to avoid disappointment. Table reservations are encouraged, with full-payment, on first-come, first-served basis. 10 seats to a table. To purchase tickets, please contact any one of the following: Antonio Mascarenhas President Tel (905) 270 – 9773 Mississauga. Kevin D’Costa Vice President (416) 623 – 0688 Toronto. Elizabeth Fernandes Secretary (905) 286 – 5277 Mississauga. Colin Lobo Treasurer (905) 820 – 9970 Mississauga. Savio Tavares Social Secretary (905) 567 – 5705 Mississauga. Fleming Viegas Member (905) 812– 6949 Mississauga. Alice Pinto Member (416) 722 – 3482 Scarborough. Sandra Correa Member (905) 388 – 4474 Hamilton. Nicholas De Souza Member (905) 619– 2323 Ajax. Michael Lobo Member (905) 820 – 9970 Mississauga. Calangute Association of Canada. 336 Karen Park Crescent, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5A 3C6. Telephone: (905) 270 – 9773 Fax: (905) 820 – 1297. Toll Free: 1-888-270-9773 (Canada & USA) Website: http://www3.telus.net/calangute2006/ E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] In search of Goan politeness
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com In search of Goan politeness Beach-belt courtesy can be just skin deep By Cecil Pinto I finally got hold of the controversial Reader's Digest issue that pegged Mumbai as the world's least polite city. For those of you not in the know, here's a synopsis. The magazine sent out undercover reporters to check for three tests of 'politeness' (a) People holding doors open for others (b) Sales people saying 'thank you' to customers (c) Passers by helping to pick up papers fallen out of a folder. After compiling the results from all 35 cities, New York was rated as the most polite and amchi Mumbai as the least polite, in the July 2006 issue of Reader's Digest. As can be expected all hell broke loose in India's commercial capital. Every person who has ever felt Mumbai's warm embrace defended the city and its people. Some fine pieces of writing emerged that showed the kindness of the city, especially as it coincided with the cruel bomb blasts. Whether the defense was about 'kindness', 'helpfulness' or 'politeness' is a bit ambiguous but anecdotes of the humaneness of the city were cited in every media. Jerry Pinto wrote a superb piece in the 8th July issue of Tehelka magazine. In his concluding paragraph he quoted Suketa Mehta's essay in the book Bombay Meri Jaan, "If you are late for work in Bombay and reach the station just as the train is leaving the platfor, don't despair. You can run up to the packed compartments and you will find many hands stretching out to grab you on board, unfolding out from the train like petals. As you run alongside you will be picked up, and some tiny space will be made for you on the edge of the open doorway." Consider how Mumbaikars will somehow make space, where none exists, as they empathize with the passenger who might lose his job, or worse, if he is late. After you're in the train they might even reprimand you for trying to get into a moving train, but first they will help you in. These are the type of impolite, but helpful, Mumbaikars I have come across in my many encounters with the city - and I salute them heartily. 'Politeness' is a rather culture specific quality and difficult to measure across different populaces. An orthodox Hindu will feel insulted if offered an edible with the left hand, whereas an Arab feels compelled to burp loudly to compliment the host for a good meal. Asking a woman in New York her marital status would be bordering on discourteousness, but a similar question posed at Palolem beach is considered basic foreplay. Along with a good friend, Kate, who happens to be a fair skinned foreigner, I decided to check the 'politeness' quotient in Goa. We started off in the early evening at a beach shack in Baga. Kate decided to take in the sunset and was promptly ushered to a beach bed and her limbu-soda was served with a cute little umbrella sticking out the glass. When I requested a beach bed I was very curtly told it would cost me Rs. 100/- even if I sat on it for just five minutes. My large beer was served to me in the bottle, un-chilled, and with no accompanying glass. Later we went to a 'happening' discotheque in Candolim, about which I had read rave reviews. I was told by one of the black t-shirted bouncers to wait outside with the rest of the taxi drivers! When I protested and identified myself as Kate's friend I was allowed in but only after paying a 'cover' charge of Rs. 300/-. I saw all females, foreigners, journalists and those-who-looked-like-big-spenders being let in without any cover charge. Inside there were many similar black t-shirted guys with the word 'BOUNCER' printed prominently on their backs. Quite unnecessary, unnerving and rude, I think. Nowhere have I seen a bouncer needing to be labeled as one. They normally can be identified by their attitude and brawn itself. Kate and I headed towards the bar. She got immediate service. I had to yell to get the barman's attention. I asked for a peg of Caju Feni and was quite aghast when he sneered and told me they don't serve local drinks. "Looks like you don't want to serve locals either", I muttered. From there Kate and I headed to South Goa. The tourist taxi driver completely ignored me but spoke to Kate in a sort of Jamaican accent and asked her if she was interested in buying a house in Goa. Apparently he moonlighted as a real estate broker and had contacts with lawyers and government officials to bypass any property ownership laws for foreigners. In an aside he whispered to me in Konkani that if I helped cinch the deal I would be given a good commission. Despi
Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com > >Goa is fortunate to have an enlightened archbishop like Msgr. Felipe Neri > >Ferrao. Goa is also fortunate to have India's first IITian turned CM in > >Manohar Parrikar and so many successful Goan entrepreneurs in its world > >wide diaspora. > > > >However, we are less fortunate to have Goan Gaon Goon lawmakers like > >undereducated dorji-turned minister Mickey Francisco Pacheco or nefarious > >characters like undereducated MP Churchill Alemao or Joaquim Alemao as > >elected representatives. > > > >Its about time - Goans send the Goan Gaon Goons to their early retirement > >and ensure meritocracy in government - all for the greater glory of our > >beloved Goa. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, > >Goan, IITian, > >Indian Harbour Beach, Florida.v > > > > > > >- From: "Gabe Menezes" wrote: > > > >Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society > > > >PANAJI (ICNS) -- Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferro of Goa and > > >Daman says there is an erosion of values and principles in governance > > >and rising corruption in the society and that families and schools can > > >help children making them good citizens in India. > > > > > >In a pastoral letter addressed to the priests, religious and laity in > > >the diocese, the Archbishop lamented that society is enmeshed in > > >corruption and wrong doings. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Religious heterodoxy in Thomas More's Utopia
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Elisabeth wrote: > >Goanet is not Thomas Moore's Utopia. It's a >microcosm of the world that we live in. I have no >doubt that Hindu fundamentalists, Muslim fanatics and >Christian bigots lurk in the corridors of Goanet. > Elisabeth, I had not read More's Utopia. Since it was written in the 16th century, your above quote piqued my curiosity. I wanted to know whether some form of secularism and religious pluralism was practised in Utopia. So I looked it up. Not only were there several religions in Utopia but a special law was made to enforce religious freedom and heterodoxy. There were, however, a couple of problems, such as slavery. I copy and paste below some relevant quotes that are quite illuminating, and I emphasize that they are not my words, but those of Thomas More, written in 1516, in a fictional novel entitled Utopia): BEGIN QUOTE "There are several sorts of religions, not only in different parts of the island, but even in every town; some worshipping the sun, others the moon or one of the planets. Some worship such men as have been eminent in former times for virtue or glory, not only as ordinary deities, but as the supreme god. Yet the greater and wiser sort of them worship none of these, but adore one eternal, invisible, infinite, and incomprehensible Deity; as a Being that is far above all our apprehensions, that is spread over the whole universe, not by His bulk, but by His power and virtue; Him they call the Father of All, and acknowledge that the beginnings, the increase, the progress, the vicissitudes, and the end of all things come only from Him; nor do they offer divine honours to any but to Him alone. And, indeed, though they differ concerning other things, yet all agree in this: that they think there is one Supreme Being that made and governs the world, whom they call, in the language of their country, Mithras. They differ in this: that one thinks the god whom he worships is this Supreme Being, and another thinks that his idol is that god; but they all agree in one principle, that whoever is this Supreme Being, He is also that great essence to whose glory and majesty all honours are ascribed by the consent of all nations.." "..Those among them that have not received our religion do not fright any from it, and use none ill that goes over to it, so that all the while I was there one man was only punished on this occasion. He being newly baptised did, notwithstanding all that we could say to the contrary, dispute publicly concerning the Christian religion, with more zeal than discretion, and with so much heat, that he not only preferred our worship to theirs, but condemned all their rites as profane, and cried out against all that adhered to them as impious and sacrilegious persons, that were to be damned to everlasting burnings. Upon his having frequently preached in this manner he was seized, and after trial he was condemned to banishment, not for having disparaged their religion, but for his inflaming the people to sedition; for this is one of their most ancient laws, that no man ought to be punished for his religion. At the first constitution of their government, Utopus having understood that before his coming among them the old inhabitants had been engaged in great quarrels concerning religion, by which they were so divided among themselves, that he found it an easy thing to conquer them, since, instead of uniting their forces against him, every different party in religion fought by themselves. After he had subdued them he made a law that every man might be of what religion he pleased, and might endeavour to draw others to it by the force of argument and by amicable and modest ways, but without bitterness against those of other opinions; but that he ought to use no other force but that of persuasion, and was neither to mix with it reproaches nor violence; and such as did otherwise were to be condemned to banishment or slavery. This law was made by Utopus, not only for preserving the public peace, which he saw suffered much by daily contentions and irreconcilable heats, but because he thought the interest of religion itself required it. He judged it not fit to determine anything rashly; and seemed to doubt whether those different forms of religion might not all come from God, who might inspire man in a different manner, and be pleased with this variety; he therefore thought it indecent and foolish for any man to threaten and terrify another to make him believe what did not appear to him to be true. And supposing that only one religion was really true, and the rest false
Re: [Goanet] Peace initiative
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi Vivek, While hiding behind the 'goan_voice' label, you seem to be trying to discredit the Nandita Haksar report, and the ugly truth it brought to the surface about communalism in today's Goa. I take my hat off to Nandita for the work she and her team has done on this. On 28/07/06, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will start by giving you one example so that we can > deal with issue and discuss it further if you so > choose to. What is "one example"? Are you trying to discredit the entire report by pointing to just one issue? The question you need to reply is: are the findings of the report overall valid or not? Or, do you support the kind of communalism we have been seeing from all sides grow in Goa? > Of course you have the option of calling me "saffron" > "sangh parivar stooge" or "fascist" and end the matter > right here. Nobody has said that. Why do you have these subconscious fears? > The report mentioned a grenade attack on a mosque in > priol. was there ever such an attack? to the best of > my knowledge the incident involved a firecracker set > off or some thing to that effect and was in no way > connected to any communal conspiracy or mobilization > as insinuated by the report. Please see my note below. The way in which Goan society is trying to delegitimise the religious places of one community (i.e. Muslims) is frightening. And what is more, this is happening in the midst of a major temple building spree in HIndu Goa, and a demolish-and-rebuild Church-building drive among Catholic Goa. To me, it seems just patently unfair. This is not about *one* case. It is about a repeated trend. So who are these guys stoking up religious infighting in the name of 'illegal structures'? > This is my understanding of the incident. If you can > furnish some more evidence and correct my statement I > would willingly and unequivocally apologise to you on > this forum. > As far as my name goes, i want that information > withheld for certain reasons. Very interesting! FN LUIZINHO FLAYS BID TO BURN MOSQUE: The Goa Pradesh Congress Committee president Luizinho Faleiro expressed shock over the attempt to burn the mosque at Mardol on December 13. (GT) DEC 14, 2004. http://www.goacom.org/news/getStory.php?ID=1316 PROTECTED MONUMENTS: Ten more ancient and historical sites in the State have been brought under the protective shield of the Goa, Daman and Diu Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Sites and Remains Act, 1978 with effect from October 16, 2003. These include the Fort of Reis Magos at Verem, the Fortress of Khorjuve at Aldona, the Cave of Sidhanath at Surla, the Mosque and Tank at Tar Surla, the British Cemetery at Dona Paula, the Fortress of St Estevam, the Fort at Marmagoa, the site of Kaivailya Math at Consua-Cortalim, the Cave at Shigao-Sanguem and the site of Narayandev at Vichundra in Sanguem. (H) OCT 19, 2003 http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-news/2003-October/000352.html Maulana directed not to hold demonstrations in front of masjid VASCO: Sub-Divisional Magistrate, Mormugao, Levinson Martins, in an order passed on March 16 directed the Maulana of Madina Masjid, Vasco, and the managing committee not to hold any demonstration in front of the mosque or take any rally in and around Vasco city or cause any breach of peace. (GT) MARCH 17, 2006 http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006mar/17mar06.htm 'Demolish all illegal religious structures in Mormugao' The Murgao Samaj Seva Samiti of Vasco has demanded that all illegal religious structures - be it a mosque, temple or church - in Mormugao taluka be demolished by the concerned authorities and that there should not be interference from any quarters. The Samiti has also requested the Hindus, Christians and Muslims to support the authorities in this task. (WE-GT) MARCH 19, 2006 http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006mar/19mar06.htm Desecration of mosque at Housing Board, Mapusa, flayed. According to the Mufeedul Muslameen Youth Organisation, antisocial elements had demolished the compound wall, important parts of the mosque and burnt the mats used to perform namaz. (H) OCT 11, 2005 http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian.goa/browse_frm/thread/591bb7fa58617803/768233be15bb61f7?lnk=st&q=mosque+Goa+Noronha&rnum=7#768233be15bb61f7 Curti village council discusses the masjid (Muslim prayer centre) issue. Gova Doot. Dec 6, 2005. http://tinyurl.com/ngp57 Tempers ran high at Curti-Khandepar on Friday, when residents held a demonstration to demand the demolition of a masjid project under construction at Curti (H) Oct 15-16, 2005 http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture
[Goanet] Pandurang Fernandes
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Well it is straight forward ! The Problem lies with the Chimbelcho , who is so fond of mongrelizing Goans ! thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060728/488e4cf6/attachment.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi Sunith, Thanks for your response to my post. I am glad you kept it logical and short. Hope we can maintain it that way. I think you have totally mis-read my post. You have NOT COMPARED the social parameters of "Taliban" society to modern socio-economically advanced society! I am not requesting you to score a society. I am requesting a comparison of two societies for the same end-points. I suggested to compare the RATES for the various parameters for Modern and Traditional society. So the following makes no sense to me, "Under Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Parameters 1-7 were close to zero. Parameter 8-11 probably remained the same. Parameters 12,13 probably decreased or stayed the same. Parameters 14-15 decreased dramatically (the Taliban owned all the weapons and the killed most of their prisoners)." BTW, is Taliban rule representative of modern or old society or neither? Was Taliban rule even a society - Muslim or Afghan society? So before you digress (old Goanet trick), why don’t you check the data for the parameters that I outlined. Then compare those end-points for a modern and traditional- Goan Muslim, Hindu and Catholic societies? That in part may be difficult to research from Panaji. You may not have access to western data (or be exposed to it) unless you are well conversant with US or UK or EU statistics. Yet you could do it with the help of Santosh and Elisabeth. You live in Panaji-Goa, which may be in transition from old to new society. So you may or may not have a glimpse of the issues. Since you are young, I strongly urge you to look at the hard statistics / data / numbers - no explanations needed! Do not be satisfied with just giving opinions and having impressions; or dismissing other peoples' views (including older folks) with terms (not your's) like "hackneyed" and "cliched" terminologies. If the above two US residents do not cooperate in giving you the American data, that says a lot. It is perhaps, they are arm-chair discussants, or more likely, the statistics are so bad that they do not want to frighten you and the rest of us. It is not because they are "too intellectual" to work with you. The parameters you outline (2, 4, 5) like wars, "self determined democratic political systems" is a reflection of the government rather than the society governed. So I hope we can talk the same semantics referenced to the same subject group. I share your optimism for the future. As one progresses socio-economically, the skill is to learn from societies and others that have been down that path and avoid their pitfalls. A good modern society to emulate is Japanese and rural US society. Your challenge is how to emulate the good while avoiding the potholes. Panjim and Goa is a good incubator to hold-on to the age-tested values while also incorporating SOME WELL-TESTED new outlooks. So the old and new is NOT mutually EXCLUSIVE. It is not one OR the other, as some on Goanet make it out to be. One's smartness and innovation is how one can have both! It can be done. By the grace of God we and many others have achieved both. Response to your other points in another post. Kind Regards, GL Sunith Velho, Panjim-Goa wrote: As a supporter of scientific and logical argument will try to disapprove your simplistic analysis to support your belief that " today's society is spinning out of control " Under Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Parameters 1-7 were close to zero. Parameter 8-11 probably remained the same. Parameters 12,13 probably decreased or stayed the same. Parameters 14-15 decreased dramatically (the Taliban owned all the weapons and the killed most of their prisoners). So we can see that these parameters when used alone tell us nothing about the state of a society. I submit that some useful parameters for evaluating the state of world society would be 1. Female emancipation and equality. (After all half the world is female) 2. Number of Major Conflicts/Wars(In terms of number of deaths) 3. Racial tolerance 4. Religious/Belief Tolerance 5. Number of people living in self determined democratic political systems. What is your opinion of human progress w.r.t. these parameters(especially over the last century)? Goanetters can add to that list. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Absolutely well said, Miguel. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society > Dears, > > Good values are not 'taught'; they are imbibed. We have to set a good example > for our children to be good. > > The first commandment of promise is the fourth commandment [ the first three > commandments are compulsions to acknowledge and serve God ]. It reads > thus, "Honour thy father and they mother...and you will not be put to shame at > the city gate." How do parents who have put their aged parents in a "Home for > the aged" expect to get love and respect from their children, friends and > neighbours?? And how does an organisation that lacks transparency, > accountability, integrity and even honesty, hope to clean up politics? > > Physician, heal thyself! Portrayals do not help. Children of today are not as > naive as we were when young. Kids of five years will tell you the facts of > life without batting an eyelid. It is the parents who squirm at the thought of > telling these things to their children at puberty. > > Viva Goa. > > Miguel > > "Gabe Menezes" > > Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society > http://www.theindiancatholic.com/newsread.asp?nid=2606 > > PANAJI (ICNS) -- Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferro of Goa and > Daman says there is an erosion of values and principles in governance > and rising corruption in the society and that families and schools can > help children making citizens in India. > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Abuse of public forums--response to Vivek
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I share your concerns regarding the constant > personal insinuations and abuse carried out by a > section of individuals on a public forum. > In fact Goanet appears to be far far more civilised > then some other forums that I have read. > Mario responds: > Vivek, Thanks for noticing that Goanet is far more civilised than other forums you have been in. In my experience, it's kind of in the middle. > I agree with your observation of Dr. Helekar's erudite-sounding comments which he "almost always" backs up with solid-sounding references, especially your perspicacious use of the adverb "almost". > You probably cringed when he launched in to this particular outburst against his debating adversaries, accusing them of "...petulant outbursts and abusive attacks, whining and complaining, distortions and fabrications, bombardment with spam and hate mail, and ranting and raving..." yada, yada, yada. > Vivek writes: > > I sincerly hope that you or any one else wouldn't be > demoralised by this tirade of personal abuse and > vilification and would continue to take part in > lively discussions over the forum. > Mario adds: > Vivek, great pep talk, man. I really needed it. I hereby resolve to not be demoralized when some on Goanet petulantly characterise religious people like me as being brainwashed members of "mobs" and "herds". Also, when they try to insult the intelligence of all Goanetters by using erudite examples like allegations against Sai Baba, illegal polygamy by Mormons, nudism by Digambar Jains, "sati" by a deranged widow, and the arrests of some Christians, to paint all religious moral codes as "fake morality", especially when they don't disclose their own moral code for comparison. [Memo to Vivek: Dr. Helekar now says he is not an atheist, and has never been one. Sort of undercuts his atheist supporters, does it not? Imagine, Dr. Helekar now just another mob member? Seems like a non sequitur that we will have to get used to, depending on what he continues to write:-))] > Please be assured I will continue to take part in lively discussions no matter how scurrilous some people get, even when they are aided and abetted by some others who ignore what their friends actually say and want us to be diverted by personal testimonials and not by what is being actually written on Goanet. > Vivek writes: > > And if you ever happen to find a effective way to > stop this abuse please let us all know too :-) > Mario responds: > Vivek, I think you already gave us a great suggestion in another post when you wrote: "...i would also wish that in the interest of many silent netters who happen to be deeply religious Santosh as well as others would leave subjects such as religion alone." > I think it was unintentional when you only mentioned the sensibilities of "...many silent netters who happen to be deeply religious..." and really meant that the religious sensibilities of all religious Goanetters should be respected by the godless, and vice versa. I hope I am correct that you were not discriminating in favor of the silent Goanetters. > Finally, since even super-intelligent posters like Elisabeth and Bosco missed the entire gist of the recent debate on moral equivalency [I'm not sure why because of all the repetition] it may help to reiterate that I respect all atheists who do not push their exciting discovery that there is no God in my face, and boldly trumpet their sagacity relative to the rest of us brainwashed "mob" and "herd" members, who apparently can't think for ourselves. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Of Castes, Religion and Gulf Goans
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi Elisabeth, Thanks for the clarifications regarding your post. Well my post appeared on goanet almost two days after I e-mailed it and in the meantime you clarified a lot of points. Let me start by apologising for the impolite tone of that mail( I wrote it when I was a bit upset) It would be inappropriate of me to comment on the social order in Goa when you were growing up( many years before I was born) because caste is a cuss word in my home and is hence never discussed(even for purely academic purposes). I do have a question though, do you think that much has changed in Goa since then? I for one surely do but at the same time I am very aware of all the economic benefits I have enjoyed by virtue of coming from a bhatcar family. Also let me state that I despise the caste system and consider it the earliest form colour discrimination conceived by humanity. However, I believe that by launching lengthy tirades against people based on their caste serves only to perpetuate this evil. I'm happy we agree on a lot of issues( and disagree on a few!) because I enjoy reading your intelligent views which are a refreshing change from most of the "redneck cowboy logic, GWB style" posts I am used to reading from netters residing in your side of the world. Regards Sun(one N)ith Velho Panjim-Goa Elisabeth wrote: For a person of my "caste", it was far better to be raised in the Gulf than in Goa. My parents were what one would call today, educated professionals. One was an accountant, the other a nurse. They both spoke fluent English, Konkanni and Portuguese. Yet their opportunities in Goa will zilch to zero, made worse by the burden of my father's caste. My father's first paycheck was Rs100 working in a mine. They were not landed gentry, they didn't inherit bhats, they didn't have "access" to good jobs and for all purposes my father was like a second class citizens in Goa. I had the opportunity to go to a good school, to travel widely, to grow up with a cosmopolitan mindset. My father had the opportunity to create the type of wealth unimaginable within one generation in Goa, and this in turn opened doors of opportunity for us in Goa, which until then had remained firmly closed. Which life would you rather he have chosen for his children? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fwd: Bombay Bombings(reply to RKN)
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear Elisabeth, It's pointless to argue with that Nasci fellow. Remember that Chesterfield quote and just ignore him. Regards, RKN daer Elisabeth! How far removed you are from reality! The spirit in me is the HUMAN SPIRIT that agonises from the truth that people in India are miserable and kept that way, and discriminated against, only because of the no caste/low caste womb that give birth to them. Is my spirit wrong then; or does it mean that you and other agnostics have no spirit at all?? Do you know that Santosh, Aristo and Kevin and perhaps Cornel, are all brahmin born? Also that (RKN)the Nair's is a well know brahmin clan in Kerala?? This is the reason that RKN shoots off, no sooner I mention caste and that it should be 'eliminated' from Indian society. May my spirit prevail in you! :-) Nasci Caldeira. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DELAYED EMAIL MSGS: Was Re: Of Castes, Religion and Gulf Goans
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com There's a reason for the delay, Sunith. If you post in a non-text format, your post has to be sent to a volunteer, reformatted, and then come up for approval once again. A waste of time, unnecessary delays, and additional work for the (overworked) admin volunteer team. Please therefore, all posters, take the easy way out and talk to Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] for how to configure your software to send only plain-text mail. Tell him what combination of software and ISP you're using, e.g. Outlook/Sancharnet, Eudora/VSNL, webmail/Gmail, Mozilla/yahoo, whatever... FN On 28/07/06, velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well my post appeared on > goanet almost two days after I e-mailed it and in the meantime you clarified > a lot of points. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi, I wonder where the this thread is leading to. The subject line seems to be forgotten as it says, can a Christian be a communist? Can he or can’t he? As far as I know, communism is not a religion but a form of Government. If a communist can be democrat than he can also be a communist isn’t it? See we have former Russia as communist country but they are orthodox Christians. If China has banned Christianity, does it mean, there are no Christians in China? I believe they have underground churches for their worship, and gradually its opening for that too, with many embracing Islam too. According to Karl Marx the favourite quoted communist of Vidyadhar Gadgiland Friedrich Engels, The theory of communism may be summed up in one sentence : Abolish all private property. According to another deffination, “The theory which teaches that the labor and the income of society should be distributed equally among all its members by some constituted authority. Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Usually I avoid getting into these debates because > they drag on endlessly and the noise levels are > high, i.e. there is not much useful content. > Mario observes: > Vidhyadhar, Good idea. When one cannot stand the heat it is far better to claim the moral high ground and exit the kitchen. > Vidhydhar writes: > > One point here, why do we accept 'godless' in its > pejorative sense as a word of abuse? If 'godless' > means being an atheist, what's wrong with > that? > Mario responds: > Vidhyadhar, this is called building a straw man and then jousting with him. No one other than yourself has used "godless" as a pejorative. It was simply used as a descriptive. Unless you have followed this debate you would know that no one said that there was anything wrong with being an atheist if that is what you want to be. There are NO consequences on this earth and you are welcome to take your chances thereafter. > Since you seem to have missed the crux of the matter, the point that was made and widely misunderstood by the anti-religious faction on Goanet is that we have no way of knowing what moral code is being followed by each and every unorganzied individual out there. Instead, one self appointed spokesman for all atheists took umbrage at this and demanded that we agree that all atheists had developed admirable moral codes because they had engaged in serious independent study and research and deep introspection. We never learned how he would know what everyone else had done. > Vidhyadhar writes: > > Why do atheists come in for so much abuse on > Goanet? > Mario observes: > A second straw man in the same post. Since this post seems to have eluded you completely how do we convince you that it was the religious types that came in for abuse? To understand this you would have to go back and read everything from the beginning. I'm not sure you are up to such "serious independent study and research and deep introspection." > Vidhyadhar writes: > > As Santosh Helekar and others have repeatedly > pointed out, belief in a God or religion often has > only peripheral overlap with having a good code and > practice of ethics and conduct. And if you believe > in a God, fine, it's your opinion, but why do > people get so excited and upset about people who > don't? > Mario asks: > Is this a third straw man or a straw woman mate of one of the other two? No matter. The only people who got excited were the anti-religious types who took umbrage with a simple observation as I have outlined above. Besides, isn't it you who asks us on behalf of Karl Marx in every post to "Question everything?" Apparently I took this more seriously than you do. And I'm the one who thinks that this is the ONLY sensible thing that old Karl ever said in public. Funny thing is that HE did not follow his own advice either:-)) > Viodhyadhar writes: > > So, yeah, put me down as a 'godless commie' on the > same page, no problems :-) > -- > Question everything -- Karl Marx > Mario adds: > OK. You replace Aristo on the "Godless commie" list. > BTW, there is only one list. As I explained to Aristo, "Godless" and Commie" go together like white on rice. Aristo thought that Commies were religious types, apparently from wandering into the wrong part of Google. > -
Re: [Goanet] Debate between Mario G and Elizabeth C re atheists
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear Mario, Here is the question in very simple English, once again. What does Manmohan Singh saving India have to do with atheists? Elisabeth -- --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > > > Dear Mario, > > With all due respect, what do the atheists on > Goanet > > have to do with Manmohan Singh. Are they guilty of > > something else, I am unaware off, besides running > > around naked, being promiscuous and generally not > > sharing in your rock solid code of conduct? > > > > I take it you like painting a lot. It pays to > change > > the brush now and then. > > > Elisabeth, > > > I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you > must > have been getting pooped on by your baby while > reading > what I had posted:-)) I see you have become a > knee-jerk defender of atheists whether they need > defending or not:-)) > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Triumph over Adversity
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear All, Most people though still believe we are fudging or lying about the number of readers that the Goanet lists have :-) FN PS: Please do your bit to help, by introducing Goanet to potential readers. Send in your almost-live reports from Viva Goa and the BMX (Britto's Mary's Xavier's) stall there. We are all tuned in! On 28/07/06, Valerie Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was truly surprised at the number of personal e-mails I received in response > to my article on Joseph Pereira which was kindly posted by George Pinto of Goa > Sudharop. Since there have also been some requests for Joseph's contact > details I am, with Joseph's permission, posting his telephone number below. He > would certainly benefit from orders for his excellent paper bags, especially > bulk orders from corporates/business establishments. > > Joseph can be contacted at Tel : 2745349 / 9850452337 > > Regards, > Valerie Rodrigues -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] ANNOUNCEMENT: Goan Voice UK Subscription
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Goan Voice UK Subscription Posted by: "Pires, Elizabeth J." [EMAIL PROTECTED] piresbetty Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:47 pm (PST) Can you give me some information on the UK Goan Festival? Where? When? Is it open to all? Many thanks Betty Pires Hi Betty, The UK Goan Festival was held in London by the G.O.A. on the 23rd of July 2006(last Sunday). It was open to all. For more information about these you may wish to contact the organisers via www.goauk.com. warm regards, Jen *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOANS MEETING FOR ROMI KONKANI:
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com GOANS MEETING FOR ROMI KONKANI: There is an ongoing agitation for recognition of Konkani in Roman (Romi) script in Goa since June 2005 with well meaning persons, and institutions viz the Thomas Stephen Konkani Kendra and Dalgado Konkani Academy spearheading the movement, and of late the Konkani Tiatrists (Dramatist) Group. After The Goa Daman& Diu Official Language Act 1987 was passed, instead of rejoicing it turned out to be a damp squib. It was not Konkani written in Roman script, that was recognized but section 2(c) definition of Konkani specified-- Konkani written in Devanagari script. The obvious question on every ones lips -- why have these people awoken after nineteen years. The answer is better late then never. The harm that neglect of this issue can cause eventually to Goa and Goans demand that we address to the problem now without mourning the past. A meeting has been called by Konkani loving Goans on Monday, 31st July 2006 at the Village Inn Restaurant, Kuwait City, to express solidarity and mobilise all resources in support of the Romi Konkani script. Support and cooperation of all Goans, Goan Village Associations, Goan Organizations, Tiatrists and Tiatr Promoters, Goan Football Clubs, and Konkani lovers is requested. For more details, please contact Tel: 2613689, 9047401, 7165438, 9300257 or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Let's endure to preserve the cherished communal harmony in Goa and among Goans and strive to promote and get the recognition for the Konkani Romi script. Diversity in script alone will help flourish the Konkani language. Let us join hands to achieve this agenda and wipe out the monopoly claimed by some through one script one language. Appeal also goes to the Goan associations worldwide to express their love for the Romi script. Looking forward to your valuable presence and cooperation. - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Why SEZ could work for Goa but inevitably will not.
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Finally a discussion worth getting my teeth into rather than those stupid irrelevant debates about Religion, USA politics and Caste among Goan Catholics. By the way the last time caste discussions surfaced in a major way in GoaNet was in March 2005, 16 months back. Perhaps one of our amateur resident statisticians could go through the archives and find out the periodicity of caste discussions and we could find some cause-and-effect connection. That same statistician could also give us statistics of anti-caste posters who, despite claiming to be casteless, very conveniently somewhere in their postings let us know their caste, or that of their mother or spouse! Why have I suddenly woken up? 1) Just to remind everyone that last year at this time I was on luxury tour of Delhi-Agra-Kashmir, with my wife and kids, totally paid for by Dr. Eric Pinto. 2) Next month is August. Besides being the Month of the Dog (sunneancho mhoino), in Goan CyberSpace it is also relevant as the month of Goa Day and Rene Baretto. We will be blasted throughout the month by self-congratulatory messages from Rene and organisers all over the world. Any chance meeting between three or more overseas Goans will be hailed as a Goa Day function and messages to this effect will be circulated on all Goan forums. Nobody will get a word in edgewise in August on anything of relevance. Just three days left to have your say before August, the month of Goa Day and Rene Baretto, starts. 3) I'm feeling a bit bored on a slow Friday evening! -- Elizabeth Carvalho (EC) wrote: We need a CEO for Goa. A CEO who will sit down and do a SWOT analysis, establish a brand identity and map out a five year plan on exactly how, this vision is going to be established. Cecil Pinto (CP) replies: Andhra Pradesh CM Chandrababu Naidu projected himself as just that. He lost the next election. Parrikar was projected as an efficient CEO. He was thrown out. It is not the labels we give our leaders, or they give themselves that matters. The vision they have, and their capacity to work towards it, is more important. - EC: First of all, we have to decide what our brand is. Given that tourism was handed to us on a silver-platter, we failed miserably to reap its full potential. The three S's of a world-class tourist destination are sun, sand and shopping. CP: Fantastic! Where did you get this from? Heritage sites, mountain hiking, safaris, museums don't have all of the three "S" and yet attract tourists. Please get your facts right and don't make flamboyant, top-of-the-head statements EC: While mercifully, the sun and sand came courtesy of a generous mother-earth, our politicians could not in 40 years of a lucrative tourist market, develop Goa into a shopping zone. CP: Are you sure Goans in Goa want Goa to become a shopping zone. Or do you feel you, sitting in USA, know better what we want/need? By concentrating on making Goa a 'shopping zone' are we not throwing ourselves open to competition from other states who can do a similar thing. Shouldn't we be promoting whatever it is that makes us, and our state, unique? -- EC: A walk down the corniche of Colva, the silver-sanded paradise of the South, brings home this dismal point. CP: I know a 'corniche' to be a road winding around a steep coast or cliff. Last time I went to Colva it was a flat beach and road with no cliffs. Have things changed that drastically since February? - EC: The few carpet shops that hug the dirt road leading to the beachfront, do not even have a footpath for shoppers to walk on. But that is small-fry compared to what should have been achieved within 40 years. Sri Lanka spun-out from its gigantic tourism industry, an even more powerful export industry of handicrafts, garments, specially packaged teas, etc. Almost every country that is the beneficiary of tourism, also has a lucrative industry in handicrafts. Why did Goa fail dismally in this respect? Is it that indigenous handicrafts were lacking? Hardly, we could have set up factories for blue & white pottery, (a shop in Fountainhas churns it out on a very small- scale), backed initiatives in needlepoint like crochet, (very lucrative in Maccau), batik, Kashmiri Crewel, furniture caning, and a host of handicrafts which Goans are traditionally known for or we could have imported know-how from other states. CP: Kashmiri Crewel is a traditional Goan handicraft? Batik is a traditional Goan handicraft? Please get your facts right before hitting the keyboard? - EC: Even if one postulates that
Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Floriano, Do you have anything to add to Miguel's comment? Cip -Original Message- Behalf Of floriano Sent: 28 July 2006 11:44 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society Absolutely well said, Miguel. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society > Dears, > > Good values are not 'taught'; they are imbibed. We have to set a good example > for our children to be good. > > The first commandment of promise is the fourth commandment [ the first three > commandments are compulsions to acknowledge and serve God ]. It reads > thus, "Honour thy father and they mother...and you will not be put to shame at > the city gate." How do parents who have put their aged parents in a "Home for > the aged" expect to get love and respect from their children, friends and > neighbours?? And how does an organisation that lacks transparency, > accountability, integrity and even honesty, hope to clean up politics? > > Physician, heal thyself! Portrayals do not help. Children of today are not as > naive as we were when young. Kids of five years will tell you the facts of > life without batting an eyelid. It is the parents who squirm at the thought of > telling these things to their children at puberty. > > Viva Goa. > > Miguel > > "Gabe Menezes" > > Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society > http://www.theindiancatholic.com/newsread.asp?nid=2606 > > PANAJI (ICNS) -- Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferro of Goa and > Daman says there is an erosion of values and principles in governance > and rising corruption in the society and that families and schools can > help children making citizens in India. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rock solid Christian moral code
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com What an unusual vocabulary of a angry EGO of a peaceful & wonderful Goanetter! Perhaps, excellent opportunity to practice TOLERANCE and anger management. Cip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of cornel Sent: 25 July 2006 19:21 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] The rock solid Christian moral code Gilbert You really must be off your rocker to say what you have said below. Can't you see that when I said I was a liberal it had nothing to do with preaching anything? What on earth is the matter with you? Are Bill and Hilary Clinton not deemed to be liberals compared to the conservatives and Christian Right? I have to say that you do not answer questions asked but have simply started to project absolute rubbish. I had planned to send you a reasoned argument as to why you came through as pretty traditional in outlook and totally unaware of the real world. However, after the rubbish from you, I don't think I will. Are you really a medical doctor? Doesn't a medical doctor need some intellect however minimal? Cornel - Original Message - From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: [Goanet] The rock solid Christian moral code > > > As > Elisabeth and Cornel, have publicly said, they preach a liberal philosophy > on Goanet (see virtues of casual extra-marital sex), but don't practice it > personally. Many people do it in the opposite direction. But we are Goans. > Or is it called fantasizing while typing one's thoughts on goanet? No > wonder goanetters are tired of this thread. Also cheap way to get > infatuated and irritate the hell out of a nice guy like Mario. Why don't > they just thumb through Playboy, Playmate, Hustler? Perhaps Goanet should > allow those pictures instead of the posts. :=)) You will certainly > increase ACTIVE membership. Pun, tem samkem kanjus / marwadi murree! No > offence to marwadis - just some amchi bhas Konkani. > > Last sentence of your paragraph below should have read: "inherently > supporting the view that TRUE followers of specific religions, are MORE > LIKELY TO BE morally superior to Atheists and Agnostics." (Just some minor > details. We don't want to irritate Cornel and Santosh and their heroine.) > Kind Regards, GL > > Bosco D'Mello > > It's disappointing to note that Gilbert and Mario were both unable to > respond to a direct question. Both have stirred the pot and point to each > other for answers and have chosen to explain the other's point of view. I > don't see a difference between Gilbert & Mario's point of view because > they are both supporting the view of the subject thread : "The rock solid > Christian moral code" and inherently supporting the view that followers of > specfic religions, are morally superior to Atheists and Agnostics. > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] peace initiative- response to Fred
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com dear Fred: First of all must tell you tthat you have been one of the very few people on Goanet who are very balanced and least prejudiced. So i have to be very careful when i debate with you because probably you will be right most of the time :-) lets say a group of people led by a lawyer from SC who defended say some one like dara singh comes out with a white paper on the request of bajrang Dal which exonerates BJP and RSS from all responsibility and shifts the blame on muslims for the riots would you give the the same credibility?? If not, and I suspect you wont, could you tell why? -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Who would Goans want as Chief Minister ? - Parrikar or Pacheco ?
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi Oscar, Thanks for your post. For the greater good of Goa who would you prefer as Chief Minister of Goa: IITian Manohar Parrikar or undereducated Goan Gaon Goon dorji - turned MLA/minister such as Mickky Francisco Pacheco ? Please provide your clear concise choice between the two, with your justification and not an evasive, convoluted answer. Best Regards, Carmo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGNet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:39:15 -0400 For public office, a superior level of education may be a necessary condition for success, but it is never sufficient. It will not work in isolation, without the concurrence of other factors, including integrity. Second, politicians should not be evaluated by âinput factorsâ or âingredientsâ which go in their make up, such as academic achievement, but by results they are able to deliver. In the case of Mr. Parrikar, it should be asked if the Goan Catholic Community received equitable treatment, specially when it comes to employment opportunities. Building Cinema complexes for International Film Festivals, or other public works for visibility is not enough. Or if BJP and RSS types were the main beneficiaries. Finally, how was the vandalizing of Fontainhas by âfreedom fightersâ dealt with? Oscar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; goanet-news@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [CGNet] Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society Goa is fortunate to have an enlightened archbishop like Msgr. Felipe Neri Ferrao. Goa is also fortunate to have India's first IITian turned CM in Manohar Parrikar and so many successful Goan entrepreneurs in its world wide diaspora. However, we are less fortunate to have Goan Gaon Goon lawmakers like undereducated dorji-turned minister Mickey Francisco Pacheco or nefarious characters like undereducated MP Churchill Alemao or Joaquim Alemao as elected representatives. Its about time - Goans send the Goan Gaon Goons ro their early retirement and ensure meritocracy in government - all for the greater glory of our beloved Goa. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Goan, IITian, Indian Harbour Beach, Florida.v July 27,2006 Goa Archbishop laments corruption in society http://www.theindiancatholic.com/newsread.asp?nid=2606 PANAJI (ICNS) -- Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferro of Goa and Daman says there is an erosion of values and principles in governance and rising corruption in the society and that families and schools can help children making citizens in India. In a pastoral letter addressed to the priests, religious and laity in the diocese, the Archbishop lamented that society is enmeshed in corruption and wrong doings. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] peace initiative- response to Fred
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com "Vivek", You're veering off the point. The test is whether the hypothetical "lawyer" makes a credible case or not. The findings of the Nandita Haksar-led committee were, to me, very well-founded. While the BJP and its ideological allies tried to pick holes (tiny ones, for the most), the larger points she made were very much valid. We are grateful that so-called "non-Goans" like Nandita are around in Goa to speak up when most of us Goans would prefer to take a weak-kneed stance to a matter of vital importance to everyone's future -- social justice to the people, regardless of their religion. That Nandita has a solid reputation of standing up for the rights of the wronged (regardless of race, religion or region) only adds weight to the report and her work. But that is only incidental. To answer your question, knowing the facts as they emerged in Curchorem (including the whipping up of the hysteria by the closeted BJP-aligned 'Gova Doot' newspaper), I really doubt any Supreme Court lawyer would be able to do a credible white-wash job on the lines you suggest below. If you could give me a report, any report, that looks into the facts of the Curchorem violence, I would be more than open to reading it. But don't try to sell me that bull that "Muslims from outside Goa are violent" or "only Muslims are building illegal shrines" or even a non-Goans-versus-Goans sob story meant to win allies among the Catholic community and play on that urge to find scapegoats that is ever present in Goan society. FN On 28/07/06, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First of all must tell you tthat you have been one of > the very few people on Goanet who are very balanced > and least prejudiced. So i have to be very careful > when i debate with you because probably you will be > right most of the time :-) > > lets say a group of people led by a lawyer from SC who > defended say some one like dara singh comes out with a > white paper on the request of bajrang Dal which > exonerates BJP and RSS from all responsibility and > shifts the blame on muslims for the riots would you > give the the same credibility?? > > If not, and I suspect you wont, could you tell why? -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SEZ excellent post by Cecil Pinto
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com cecils post is a excellent and well writen rebuttal to some of the outrageous and absurd advice dished out from all over the world to goans in goa! -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] PUCL and biased reporting
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear Fred: I will provide another example of the mischiveous and biased "fact finding" reports circulated by PUCL and its associated orgnization (I call them associated because the PUCL website carries this report) Please read the full report at http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Religion-communalism/2003/sholapur.htm witha open mind . On 11 octber 2002, a mob of muslims protesting against the remarks of jerry Falwell against Prophet Muhammad, attacked and ranssacked hindu properties and religious places. A total of 11 people were killed ,over 150 injured and 500 arrested. Amongst the dead were a Shiv sena shakha pramukh who was stabbed to death while 5 muslims died in the police firing. The fact finding report says the following: "The natural question that arises is that can a small timer politician like M. D. Sheikh with his minor paper like Dainik Bandhuprem and an organization like MVP can on its own heat so influence the Muslim masses as to come on roads and indulge into rioting with such ferocity as described in the Press and narrated by the Hindu victims like Narsingh Mengjis family. No reasonable person can answer this question in affirmative" SO HERE THE COMMITTEE IS QUESTIONING THE CREDIBILITY OF THE VICTIMS THEMSELVES WHO FOR A CHANGE HAPPENED TO BE HINDUS! NARSING MENGJI IS THE EX BJP MLC OF THE AREA AND IF HIS HOUSE COULD BE BURNT DOWN , THE NATURAL ANSWER IS THAT THE RIOTEERS WERE MUSLIMS, NOR RSS ACTIVISTS. "Except for a case of stabbing of Shiv Sena Shakha pramukh Chandrakant Mhetre in Vishnu Nagar and burning of house of Narsingh Mengji, Ex-MLC of BJP there was no case of significant damage from Muslim mobs that we come across. There were of course allegations of goddess idols being broken, the photographs of some of them having been already published by some papers." THE SAME REPORT CLEARLY MENTIONED BEFORE THAT "Around the same time, a mob attacked a pandal of Shraddhanand Navratra Mahotsav Mandal in Vijapur Ves. The police had to resort to firing in air to disperse the mob" SO IF THE MUSLIM MOB ATTACKED A NAVRATRI MANDAL ISNT IT PLAUSIBLE THAT ALLEGATIONS OF GODDESS IDOLS BEING BROKE COULD BE TRUE? ALSO IF A SHIV SENA PRAMUKH COULD BE STABBED TO DEATH AND A TOP BJP LEADERS HOUSE COULD BE BURNT DOWN DOESNT IT MEAN THAT MUSLIMS WERE THE ONES WHO WERE LEADING THE RIOTS? " Some people outside Vishnu Nagar however told us that his (Shiv sena leader Mhetres)murder was executed by his own people taking cover of the riots. It was beyond our means to verify this." CLASSIC TACTIC OF BLAMING THE VICTIM HIMSELF,WE DID HEAR THE SAME EXPLANANTION in case of godhra that the train was burnt by BJP activists themselves,FURTHER ISNT IT PROBABLE THAT MUSLIMS TOO ATTACKED FELLOW MUSLIMS TAKING COVER OF RIOTS IN SHOLAPUR AND ELSEWHERE? "It appears that in the earlier communal riots also Mengjis had become the chosen target of Muslim mobs. One had to naturally ask why the entire anger of the Muslim community is directed towards them. The answer did not come from Mengjis. They appeared to accuse Congress for lending tacit support to Muslims in their ire against the BJP. The information that we gathered reveals that Narsingh Mengji is a very vocal advocate of Hindutva politics and represents its face in Sholapur. He is the person who led people from Sholapur area to Ayodhya in 1992 and participated in destruction of Babri Masjid. The BJP leadership in Sholapur talked about teaching lesson to Landyas on the Gujarat pattern as claimed by the CPM leader Com. Adam Master. This cumulative information can profile Mr. Narsingh Mengji and explain how Muslims take him. IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT THERE WERE RIOTS IN SOLAPUR EVEN BEFORE GUJARAT HAPPENED,AND MUSLIM MOBS WERE ACTIVE AND THEY HAD TARGETTED THE BJP LEADERS HOUSE BEFORE CLEARLY INDICATING WHO WERE THE DOMINANT PARTY IN THE RIOTS FURTHER THE REPORT "NATURALLY" ASKS THE QUESTION WHY A MOB HAS TARGETTED A POLITICIANS HOUSE IN THE PAST THE REPORT IMPLICITLY SUGGESTS THAT THE BJP LEADER HAD IT COMING BECAUSE OF HIS POLITICAL LEANINGS.THAT IS IS "NATURAL" THAT IF yOU BELIEVE IN A PARTICULAR IDEOLOGY YOU ARE A LEGITIMATE TARGET OF MUSLIM MOBS. MY COMMENTS: every fact finding report released by PUCL either blames RSS or the State machinery, and every tme muslims and chrstians are the innocent victims. I wanted to see one report in which the perpetrators of the violence were muslims. As the above report shows the PUCL and its allied organizations are highly biased towards one particular political ideology.The above report is not only blatantly biased but allmost justifies the vicous ass
Re: [Goanet] Why SEZ could work for Goa ... - pour mon ami Cecil
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear dear Cecil, Down boy, down!! Et tu eh? You were a lot more interesting regaling us with the etymology of "pissing in the wind" and other such illuminating tidbits. Your outburst is more reminiscent of a post-adolescent emotional tantrum, rather than a substantive debate on the economic fortunes of Goa. Apart from arrogant demands for "facts and statistics" while simultaneously providing none of your own, you do little to add to my knowledge of SEZs in Goa. For the sake of argument let me humour the humourist. Some of your points are not worth a response but I'll respond to a few that are worthy. --- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CECIL: > Are you sure Goans in Goa want Goa to become a > shopping zone. RESPONSE: What do Goans in Goa want? Has there ever been a coherent plan as to what direction Goa intends to take. MetaStrips yesterday, film festival today and IT park tomorrow. Infrastructure develops when development is aligned. Ancillary services mushroom to support the main industry, provided we know what the main industry is. CECIL: > Or do you feel you, sitting in USA, know better what > we want/need? RESPONSE: Are you saying Goans sitting anywhere other than in Goa have no say in Goa? If so, then tell the government to stop giving NRIs voting rights, stop wooing the NRI for investment, stop NRI conferences, stop forums that engage in debate with the diaspora, stop everything foreign in Goa including investment, technology and aid. Your insularity is not becoming of someone as intelligent as you, nor is it doing Goa a service. CECIL: > By concentrating on making Goa a 'shopping zone' are > we not throwing > ourselves open to competition from other states who > can do a similar thing. > Shouldn't we be promoting whatever it is that makes > us, and our state, unique? RESPONSE: Ofcourse you're competing with not just the other States, but the giants of shopping in SE Asia such as Bangkok, Sri Lanka, Singapore and DUbai (Gulf -before you pedantically point that out). But competition is the name of the game. Are you not in competition with the rest of India and China, when politicians propose to set up IT parks? At least with industry synergistic with tourism you have some available know-how and infrastructure. Where do you start with an IT park? Other states are far ahead of the game in terms of infrastructure as well as technical know-how. CECIL: > Kashmiri Crewel is a traditional Goan handicraft? > Batik is a traditional Goan handicraft? > Please get your facts right before hitting the > keyboard? > RESPONSE: So easy being pedantic isn't it? Did you expect me to put in little inserts saying Kashmiri crewel - not traditionally Goan. I expect the reader to have a modicum of intelligence and make the connection. CECIL: How much does Bangalore pursue, and make from, weekend shopping tourists? Does it anywhere compare with how many people come to Goa on an average weekend during tourist season. Facts and figures are more important than armchair analysis. RESPONSE: The point is not how much people spend on hotel and accommodation during a weekend trip to Goa, the point is how much more they can pump into the economy. Shopping is the big ticket item when it comes to tourism. Not the piddly sum they'll pay a charter flight to take them there, and a tour-operator bargained hotel rate they'll end up paying the hotel. The money spinners are shopping, food & beverage, transportation, entertainment. If you fly to Las Vegas, accommodation is usually free. Why? because they don't care for your room rate, they want you in their casinos spending the big bucks. CECIL: Economic solutions for Goa's problem's need hands-on experience and not distanced armchair analysis devoid of ground realities. I hope that was a blistering enough attack to get you to respond with all your fury. Lets have us a merry time before August starts and Rene grabs centre stage. RESPONSE: And the usual tactic. Start a fire to get someone to take notice of the house. Cecil darling, why don't you learn to spell "multiplier effect" before you denigrate someone with a solid grounding in economics and six years experience in the Dubai Tourism industry. Goa needs people who have a wider perspective because the clowns you have incharge of the tourism industry are going to keep you eating out of shacks for the rest of Goa's tryst with tourism. Elisabeth -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Julhaiachi 29vi, 2006!
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Fokot khoim ek bhas asa thoim sonvsar asa. (Only where there is a language is there world.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] First ever Certificate 'A' Tiatr soon
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Minin Mario's "KITEAK HO BAZAR CHOLTA" tiatro with an "A" certificate may be the first adult tiatro/show in this century. In the last century, somewhere in the mid 1960s, a tiatro by John Claro with an A certificate was staged in Mapusa in the newly built ALANKAR theater for the first time. It was one of Sucurrine's first professional tiatros. Sorry, can't get the name. John Claro or Sucurrine, could you please let us know the name of the tiatro? BTW, that was the first and last time a Konkani tiatro was held in Alankar theater; the reason? The owner (Mr. Rao) suffered a big loss by way of damaged seats! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA From : JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To : "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent : Friday, July 21, 2006 1:05 PM To :goanet@goanet.org Subject : [Goanet] First ever Certificate A Tiatr soon First ever Certificate A Tiatr soon N.R. Entertainment presents Mini Marios KITEAK HO BAZAR CHOLTA ? (A) This show will be staged for Adults only First time in the history of Konkani Drama, the stage is set for adults show. With topmost artistes of Konkani stage from Mumbai & Goa. Nevis Oliveira, Remy Colaco, Sabina, Marcelin de Betim, Felcy, Anna, Willy, Bushka, Ronny, Elvis, Collins, Frank, Nevil, Rizby, Com. Sally, Com. Aurelio, Com. Dias, surprise Comedian and Mini Mario. 14 powerful Songs with melodious music and 5 stories with moral values. The script is discussed with the Priests, Lecturers and well educated people. 4th August at Margao 3.30pm 5th August at Panaji 7.30pm Above is taken word by word from the ad that appeared on Herald 16th July. JoeSays: Hoping to see Top as well as Topless artistes Cant wait to see the first ever Adult show: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Why SEZ could work for Goa but inevitably will not.
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Hi Cecil, CP writes: "That same statistician could also give us statistics of anti-caste posters who, despite claiming to be casteless, very conveniently somewhere in their postings let us know their caste, or that of their mother or spouse!" Sunith responds: I really am against the caste system. You can come over and ask my father. He is very fair and owns many houses and land. He wouldn't lie On a more serious note your post regarding SEZ's makes a lot of sense. Long distance armchair analysis works on matters like religion and philosophy. When commenting on micro-economic issues relating to Goa, one really needs to be resident here to understand the issues facing us(as evidenced from Elisabeth's ludicrous mini Dubai and Labour control ideas). Our current tourism policies have helped(economically) those who needed help the most. The boat cruises on the Mandovi( however cheesy!!) help our local bands, taxis, and numerous others. Most shack leases are not owned by the big businessmen but by the erstwhile economically depressed classes( though the shacks are often run by fellow Indians from out of state). The same is with beach huts. Huge five star hotels and golf courses simply can't provide economic benefits to the economically weaker sections of goan society. That being said, it would however be very short sighted to neglect the potential of up market tourists. Would you agree that tour companies and enterpreneurs from out of state have been able to market Goa alot better than goans ourselves( to upmarket tourists that is)?? Isn't it ironic that many(most?) of the people promoting the historical, architectural, ecological aspects of Goa are non native Goans? By a conservative estimate, I know more than a 100, Old Goan style houses that have been brilliantly refurbished as exclusive residences and boutique hotels by these enterpreneurs. We goans are the better for it I believe(in terms of preservation of our heritage). Its amazing that we shout ourselves hoarse with this outsider nonsense while goans go on destroying the only things that make us unique from other destinations the world over. Our own brethren have turned Baga-Calangute-Candolim into a concrete, Manchester Utd. hooligan infested belt(as one of my Brtish friends referred to it) where goans are not welcome. Morjim-Arambol has been turned into the drug and russian mafia belt( in cahoots with the local populace) where non-druggies/mafiosis are not welcome. . The state of Palolem, Mobor and Colva would reduce one to tears. But guess what the tourists keep coming back and our locals keep not-learning. I strongly believe what we need is to change is our attitudes and mindsets towards people in general( Foreigners, Indians, a fellow goans). An improved toursim policy and a different set of more demanding tourists will then automatically follow. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa P.S. I think the road leading to Calamari in Candolim now qualifies as a corniche. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] KONKANI IN ROMAN SCRIPT -NOW
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com As a strong protagonist of Konkani in Roman script since the language agitation began in September 1985 it may interest the participants of the meet being held in Kuwait city on the following: a) Goa with Daman and Diu was an Union Territory (under the rule of the Central Government ) after its Liberation on 19/12/1961 (call it annexation conquest whatever); b) India's first PM late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru strongly felt that Goa should maintain its unique identity; c) The idea of a State of Goa was formulated then. d) In the first elections to the Legislative Assembly of the Union Territory of Goa Daman and Diu with 28 + 2 seats the Indian National Congress fielded 28 landowners and they all lost their deposit. It was Mr Bhausaheb Dayanand Bandodkar who took a cue from then Maharashtra Chief Minister late Mr Yeshwantrao Chavan who advised the fielding of tenants/mundcars at they won. But the Maharashtrian agenda was simple to merge Goa with Maharashtra. e)They were confident to succeed in this design because those in the Novas Conquistas (new Conquests) talukas like Bicholim Sattari Ponda Quepem Canacona Sanguem Pernem were essentially dominated mainly by low caste Hindus and migrants from Maharashtra who adopted Goan village surnames like Dhargalkar from Dhargalim in Pernem Pednekar from Pernem etc; At the same time these people feared that if the Hindu Brahmins and Catholics in the Salcete Mormugao Bardez Ilhas now Tiswadi dominated the political scenario they would continue to suffer post Portuguese regime. It was this divide that dictated the politics of Goa and continues to dicate every issue -- Opinion Poll. the Language Agitation, the Nylon 6'6 the Konkan Railway the Meta Strips agitation and the Language issue and now finally the script Roman or Catholic. f) In all this covertly or overtly it is the Catholic community that remained at the recieving end and were used first by the Hindu Brahmins as stepping stone to their success and later by noveau riche Hindu Bahujan (non Brahmins ) g) gradually it is the Hindu community that has been trying to gain a predominance over the Catholic community and this obviously because the Caatholics had their good days during the colonial period. h) there is always a skin deep divide between the Hindu Brahmin and Hindu non Brahmin community which gains legitimacy in the temples. Yet when it comes to extending support to Catholics the Hindu Bahujan samaj would be sympathetic but never take active part nor openly demonstrate thier support. With this background examine the politics of Konkani script a) first battle was won on 26th February, 1975 when Konkani was recognised as an official language b) but on 21st November, 1981 the cunningness of the Hindu Brahmins was clear when they asked the National Academy of Letters (a body which recognises languages from among the numerous languages of the country) that in the case of Konkani ONLY DEVANAGARI script would be accepted as the natural script for Konkani and none other whether it is Kannada, Perso Arabic, Kannada or Malayalam. It is this major decision which came to light only in 2005 when the Konkani Academy of Karnataka sought this letter as they were demanding Konkani in Kannada to be accepted for all purposes. This decision was not made public until now. In 1985 when the script issue came up. Mr Uday L Bhembre Advocate and ex Independent MLA Margao did not tell the Konkani Porjecho Avaz Catholic leaders about the resolution of 21st November, 1981 instead they told them these half truths: a) for statehood to be attained Goa should have an official language because states were re-organised (from the over 550 princely states in India during British rule) since 1956 on liguistic basis thus Andhra Pradesh had Telegu Kerala Malayalam Orrisa Oriya Bengal Bengali Maharashtra Marathi and obviously Goa Konkani. b) then Mr Bhembre told the KPA Catholic leaders that it was better to accept the devanagari script because i) it would make the Hindu community viz the non Hindu Brahmins who were demanding Marathi as the official language (this was only a political demand --- no Goan in the Velhas or Novas Conquistas will demand this literally becuase if that happens jobs will easily go to Maharashtrians who are more conversant in written and spoken Marathi) would easily accept Konkani in devanagari script since they were familiar with the script. c) therefore Catholics need to make some sacrifice and that is what happened 19 years ago. But after the Language Act of 1987 in 1994 Mr Radharao Gracias brought about the Bill to introduc
Re: [Goanet] Of Castes, Religion and Gulf Goans
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com --- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Addressed to Dr. Helekar: > but you have to stop denigrating organised religion > and its followers (whatever way you look at it word > like mob/herd mentality even if true are hurtful). > For the record I am an atheist myself. > Mario responds: > For the record, Dr. Helekar now says he is not an atheist and never has been. Apparently, he is able to think and write like one. > Velho, just FYI, several people on this forum may not be what they appear to be or even who they say they are. Nom de plumes are frequently used to hide identities. Some are posting under more than one identity. 'Nuff said. > It is about time that an atheist with at least some sense joined Vivek in speaking up against Dr. Helekar's gratuitous and unprovoked attacks on religion and religious people, which have apparently gone on for several years now. > None of the Hindus on Goanet were motivated enough to challenge him. > Among all the accolades to Dr. Helekar's contributions to science and mankind, not one atheist noticed his statistically absurd use of exceptions and claims of wrongdoing by fringe religious members in order to suggest that ALL religious moral codes are "fake". Then he ducks behind his boiler-plate cover that he is tolerant of everyone. Now, he is suddenly not an atheist and never has been. We shall see. Stay tuned. > Then Cornel, whom we can always count on to be illogical, classifies Hitler and Stalin and Castro as Christians because he says their birth-religion identifies their religious beliefs. Never mind what they actually practiced, says Cornel. Well, duh! > Wouldn't that make Cornel and Kevin "Christians" and Santosh and Vivek "Hindus" and Velho whatever his parents were? I wonder what religion Cornel would say the murderous atheist despots like Mao, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot belonged to? > Velho writes: > > My views on the above topics I believe represent the > young educated goan who is a successful member of > the second fastest growing economy in the > world (thanks to Shri Singh, Sinha and > Chidambaram). I would love to give my views on the > land, labour and capital issue but they are very > similar to Mr. Krishnayya, so I will allow him to > take the personal abuse all contributors are > subject to. > Mario responds: > Velho, notwithstanding your youth, education and success you seem to have missed the fact that rebuttals to Mr Krishnayya's views have been based on facts and logic, and not on any "personal abuse". > In a public forum specious claims of "abuse" and "insult" later raised to a higher level with threats of lawsuits against political and social adversaries in a public forum is simply a ploy to chill free speech and robust, free-flowing debate and intimidate many to remain "silent". > I am personally acquainted with only TWO Goanetters, and have nothing personal against people I don't know and can only respond to how and what they write in this forum. > Velho writes: > > I just have one question for Mr. Mario Goveia (in > particular) and other netters too. As the Indian > economy progresses at this overheated pace, what > should we do to ensure that the rural-urban divide > does not cause this country to erupt in chaos. > Mario responds: > Velho, Interesting question, but, if you are serious about working philosophies and ideas, you have come to the right place for this seminar:-)) Just kidding. > However, I will outline my thoughts in a separate post. Thanks for asking. > > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We, you and I, have become cannon fodder for terrorists.
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Mario is right. Israel is not exterminating Christians in its random bombing raids, it is killing them. That should make those killed feel a lot better that they were killed and not exterminated. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George Pinto says, "Israel is exterminating Christians in its random bombing > raids in Beirut." > Exterminating Christians? Random bombing raids? > --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Israel is exterminating Christians in its random bombing raids in Beirut. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Pandurang Fernandes
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com --- Dominic Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well it is straight forward ! > > The Problem lies with the Chimbelcho , who is so > fond of mongrelizing Goans! > A conceivably fair criticism of me because my perspective cannot be guaged by a stranger from a distance. But suggesting by implication that my real-life Chimbelche friends were mongrels is very unfair. I knew several people in Chimbel with old Hindu first names and Catholic surnames because they were reconverted Hindus. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet? Religion-bashing & Bigotry
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > Frankly, I was a little appalled that not many > Christians with their "rock solid code of conduct" > called on Nasci when he specifically referred to > some posters as uncivilised Hindu pagans. Frankly I > was aghast. If someone had called Christians, > ungodly or uncivilised, then I'd be furious and I'd > call them on it. > Mario responds: > Elisabeth, Didn't you turn a blind eye when Santosh was characterising ALL religions as having a "fake morality" and ALL religious people as members of "mobs" and "herds" then piously claiming that you had not seen a "scintilla" of evidence yada, yada, yada. Were his words not evidence enough for you? > Elisabeth writes: > > With reference to Santosh's writing, I have not come > across any that make personal reference of such a > nature or derogatory references to any religion, > other then in the course of theological debate. Are > we so thin-skinned that we cannot tolerate any > commentary on our religion? What does that say > about us? > Mario responds: > Would it be fair to conclude that personal comments offend you whereas bombarding entire religions and their members with verbal WMD's, does not. > "Theological debate'??? Good one, Elisabeth. What was the theology behind the Sai Baba allegations, the allegations of "sati", nudism and polygamy and some Christians getting arrested as "proof" that ALL established religious codes were fake? Sounded more illogical than theological to me. > How about general references to "mobs" and "herds" and "fake morality". How do I, as a religious person, exempt myself from such derogatory references? > Here is how Santosh described the posts of his adversaries on Goanet at the height of the debate on specious moral equivalencies, "...petulant outbursts and abusive attacks, whining and complaining, distortions and fabrications, bombardment with spam and hate mail, and ranting and raving..." > BTW, thanks for continuing to give me the opportunity to point all this out. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] THE ALLIANCE OF WORLD GOAN ORGANIZATIONS - WORLD GOA DAY 20 th August 2006
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Goenkars ! I am pleased and proud to announce that the Goan Welfare Society of Nairobi , Kenya - under the leadership of Dr. Joyce Shamshudin Chairperson - GWS Nairobi Kenya - will be celebrating WORLD GOA DAY and discussing the formation of the Alliance of Goan Associtaions in Kenya. rene barreto WORLD GOA DAY 2006 www.goaday.com 8 WORLD GOA DAY - 2006 88 Goan Welfare Society of Nairobi - Kenya in conjunction with The Goan Gymkhana- Nairobi,The Goan Institute -Nairobi and Goans of Nairobi will be celebrating WORLD GOA DAY on Sunday 20th August 2006 at the Goan Institute, Pangani, Nairobi- Kenya. Holy Mass will be celebrated at 11.30 am with our All the Goan priests of Nairobi in attendance , traditional grams served after the mass. We shall celebrate the festivities typical Goan way- wine, dance and song in the hall where an Authentic Goan cuisine will be served from the Coconut Restaurant ( the only Goan restaurant of its kind in Nairobi.) with typical Goan sweets for desert. Traditional dance and songs to entertain the guests, a Tinto selling Goan delicacies and pickles will be set up. We invite all the Goans of Nairobi to attend this function to commemorate THE ALLIANCE OF WORLD GOAN ORGANIZATIONS - WORLD GOA DAY 20 th August 2006 This event is billed to commence delibrations to form the Alliance of Goan Associtaions in Kenya. Ivitations will be sent to The Goan Community Mombasa, The Mombasa Institute to make it a Kenyan occassion Rgds Dr. Joyce Shamshudin Chairperson - GWS Nairobi Kenya O 8 O Please share your WORLD GOA DAY events with us - and feel PROUD TO BE GOAN. 000 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goan judge (Ferdino Rebello) makes news in Mumbai...
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=194567 Film-makers win battle against NFA censorship Festival screenings can go on without Censor Board certificate Georgina Maddox Mumbai, July 27: It wasn't high drama at the courts but a filmy matter did get sorted out for he better. A Bombay High Court division bench ruled on Thursday that films can be shown at festivals without a censor certificate, adding that films screened at such fora could be in other formats, too, and not necessarily on 16mm and 35mm film. The judgment, delivered by the bench comprising Justice F I Rebello and Justice V K Tahilramani, is being hailed as a victory of sorts for the creative and artistic community, who have long been championing the cause of freedom of expression. Now, the case: The National Film Awards (NFA) versus documentary filmmakers Gaurav Jani, Anand Patwardhan and Simantini Dhuru. The judgement: It upholds Article 14 of the Constitution—freedom of speech and expression—over NFA's writ policy for rejecting films on the grounds that they did not meet section (d) and (e) of their eligibility criteria. In May 2006, when the new eligibility criteria for the NFA were announced, section (d) and (e) shocked filmmakers. Under section (d), formats like digital and video could no longer compete for NFA, unless they were converted to film format, which would cost around Rs 25 lakh. Under section (e), the filmmakers required a certificate from the Censor Board of Films. According to human rights lawyer P A Sebastian, who represented the filmmakers, ''After we filed a writ petition in court, the NFA agreed to lift section (d). However, they insisted on upholding section (e). But the court has struck that down, too.'' Patwardhan, known for films like Father, Son and Holy War, War and Peace, Images You Did Not See, told Newsline from Hyderabad: ''This case has been fought in the name of three people but it will touch all documentary and even fiction filmmakers, who can now enlist their films for the NFA without a censor certificate. We had the backing of almost 30 documentary filmmakers from all over the country,'' he says. The petitioners also pointed out that film festivals like the government-sponsored Mumbai International Film Festival (MIFF) has run for 14 years without a censor certificate requirement, and the government has recently adopted a policy document which enables it to exempt even more film festivals from the purview of censorship. ''It is discriminatory to insist that a small, government-appointed jury at NFA cannot view uncensored films,'' adds Dhuru (Narmada Bachao Andolan). Justice Rebello even recommended that once a film is adjudged by the NFA jury, it should be made available to all delegates, journalists and peers of the filmmakers. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200607280922.htm HC strikes down censor requirement for national film awards Mumbai, July 28 (PTI): In a victory for independent film makers, the Bombay High Court on Thursday struck down the censor certificate requirement for all films competing for the National Film Awards. Upholding the arguments of filmmakers Anand Patwardhan, Gaurav Jani and Simantini Dhuru, the court quashed the censor requirements for the National Film Awards. The petitioners had demanded the requirement of a censor certificate for a film to compete in the National Film Awards should not be a pre condition and also sought removal of the condition that only films released on celluloid be allowed to compete for the awards. "During the pendency of petition itself the government conceded to the demand that digital and video films be allowed to compete for the NFA in their original format, but did not agree to the demand for removal of censor certificate requirement," advocate for the petitioners P A Sebastian said here. "Our argument was that if a censor certificate is not required for international film festival which is organised by the I&B ministry, then why should it be a pre condition for National Film Awards. This amounts to discrimination, and is in violation of Article 14 of the constitution," he said. The petitioners also argued that since only the jury judging the entries for the NFA would watch the films there should be no requirement for a censor certificate and they should be allowed to see the original version. Reacting to the judgement, film maker Anand Patwardhan said "this is just a small step in our endeavour to make the entire system more flexible and open and less discriminatory." FOR MORE POSTS on documentary film in India: http://groups.yahoo.co
Re: [Goanet] SEZ excellent post by Cecil Pinto - to Vivek
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Dear Vivek, While your arrogance and insularity knows no bounds in insulting the absurdity of the Goan opinion in diaspora, please remember that many a diasporal family's blood, sweat and tears laid the founding stones for the freedom and relative prosperity that you enjoy in Goa today. Since, even migrant labourers with no connection to Goa are allowed voting rights, I hope you'll allow us the small privilege of voicing our opinions in cyberspace, however ignorant you may think they are. Your frog-in-the-well attitude doesn't make you the village hero, it makes you what you actually are. Insular and myopic. Elisabeth -- --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cecils post is a excellent and well writen rebuttal > to > some of the outrageous and absurd advice dished out > from all over the world to goans in goa! > > -vivek > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com >Gilbert Lawrence writes: >Thanks for your response to my post. I am glad you kept it logical and >short. Hope we can maintain it that way. Sunith responds: First of all, you have not answered the very specific question I posed and instead responded with a long completely illogical sermon. So lets in the future keep it "logical and short". Let me repeat that question. Do you accept that some people need religion/written moral codes to guide them but others don't? or is it your contention that for society to progress everyone has to follow a God/written code? If not.. please list your reasons.( A Yes or No answer to a specific question) >Gilbert Lawrence writes: >That in part may be difficult to research from Panaji. You may not have >access to western data (or be exposed to it) unless you are well conversant >with US or >UK or EU statistics. Yet you could do it with the help of >Santosh and Elisabeth. You live in Panaji-Goa, which may be in transition >from old to new society. So >you may or may not have a glimpse of the >issues. >BTW, is Taliban rule representative of modern or old society or neither? >Was Taliban rule even a society - Muslim or Afghan society? >So before you digress (old Goanet trick), why don?t you check the data for >the parameters that I outlined. Then compare those end-points for a modern >and traditional- Goan Muslim, Hindu and Catholic societies? Sunith responds: All us goans living in Goa( especially Panjim, Goa) are very thankful for your sympathy with regards to our lack of access to statistics and data. If you could please point out a single source of information(except for Fox News of course!!) that you, Santosh or Elisabeth have access to and I dont, I would highly appreciate it.(Very specific question deserving of an equally specific answer) If you wish to compare the parameters you mentioned only with respect to the the EU, UK and US please state so very explicitly. I'm sorry I was not aware the term society referred to Caucasian societies. Many thanks for including Goa as an after thought. My post was only to prove that the parameters you mentioned were more a less bogus as a means for evaluating any society be it American, Goan or Afghani. Once again you have failed to respond to the main issue and digressed (an old Gilbert Lawrence trick!). Gilbert Lawrence writes: Good modern society to emulate is Japanese and rural US society. Sunith responds: W.r.t. rural US society do you mean Hill Billies, Hamish, Mormons, Quakers, the Una-bomber and anarchists, the Ku-Klux klan, rural Alabama?? Please be specific. By Japanese do you mean the society that started WWII in Asia and later became famous for eating the internal organs of Allied soldiers in their prison camps?? Please please be more specific in the future. Gilbert Lawrence writes: The parameters you outline (2, 4, 5) like wars, "self determined democratic political systems" is a reflection of the government rather than the society governed. So I hope we can talk the same semantics referenced to the same subject group. Sunith responds: Is it your contention that governments and societies are mutually exclusive or that they share a very high degree of correlation?? Are the terms democratic, secular and racist used to describe governments, societies or both(Another very specific question). I have heard of the terms "democratic/secular/racist" being used to describe societies (all the while being stuck in poor ignorant Panjim, Goa), have you?? Are wars a clash between societies or governments?? Your second statement makes no sense because the frame of reference you use is bogus as a means for evaluating society(I hate to repeat myself!!). Please use your parameterss to compare Europe in the dark ages and Europe today.. Please use the same parameters to compare the USA(in the slave labour years) and the USA of today. Please use the same parameters to compare the R.S.A society pre and post apartheid You will find that most of the RATES have increased, so by your logic US society was better off with slavery, the South Africans with Apartheid and European society was better off believing the earth was flat(among many other things). Today's society is spinning out of control did someone say? If yours were the views of the majority I would definitely agree. Regards, Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa P.S. I'm moving to Kings College, London in September to do my masters. I will then sign off London, UK instead of Panjim, Goa. Bad news buddy One of the pillars of your whole ill structured argument w
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY events - LONDON
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com o Dear Rene, World Goan Day is upon us. The South East Goan Community under my presidency offer you our full support to unite and bring together Goans from all around the world, young and old. Our Goan community is spread far and wide and we need to remember our roots and traditions and what you are doing suggests this is happening. Well done! What's ON - UK GOAN HERITAGE celebrations 13th August 2006 WORLD GOA DAY events - LONDON South East Goans - UK Family Summer Sizzler on 13th August 2006 is being dedicated to " World Goa Day ". A Fun packed day out for the whole family to enjoy in typical Goan Style. ( Music, Goan Food, Salsa, Latin, Bhangra Dancing, Sports and lots of side stalls) Sunday 13th August 2006 Time : 12pm- to 7.00pm Venue Hurstmere School , Hurst Road , Sidcup , Kent , DA15 9AW Entrance £1.- pp Children under 9 FREE ! Chris Pinto President , The South East Goans London "chris. pinto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] C. Pinto >01322 400732 We congratulate you on your efforts to unite Goans all around the world. The web site looks good. = ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for July 29, 2006
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa may sue State if it diverts Mhadei waters (Deccan Herald) Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane on Wednesday said his government would seek legal recourse if Karnataka goes ahead with the proposed diversion of the Mhadei river water for its irrigation project. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul262006/update1424442006726.asp *** Goa offers incentives to lure IT cos (New Kerala) Panaji, Jul 26: Goa government has offered various incentives to lure Information Technology companies to set up their ventures into the state, the Legislative Assembly was informed today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=28997 *** Goa to get monorail project: Minister (New Kerala) Panaji: The state government will go in for a monorail project based on the Mass Rapid Transit System, Goa transport minister Pandurang Madkaikar told the state Assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29417 *** Goa withdraws affidavit as a domicile proof for foreigners (New Kerala) Panaji: In the wake of increasing land purchase by foreign nationals in Goa, the state government has withdrawn the provision of submitting affidavit as domicile proof for registration of deeds by foreigners. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29882 *** Goa offers incentives to lure IT cos (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Goa government has offered various incentives to lure Information Technology companies to set up their ventures into the state, the Legislative Assembly was informed on Thursday. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1815842.cms *** 13 children's homes in Goa enjoy foreign fundings: Minister (New Kerala) Panaji, July 27: Goa has 24 children's homes of which 13 are enjoying foreign fundings, state Women and Child Development Minister Subhash Shirodkar said in the Assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29501 *** Goa moving towards zero revenue deficit: CM (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 27: The Chief Minister, Mr Pratapsingh Rane today said that the state was doing financially well and growing at a fast economical rate, even as he expressed his governments firm resolve to make Goa a commercial hub and create more and better infrastructure to maintain the pace of high growth so that people of Goa benefit. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072816 *** Mhadei: Goa to ask Centre to set up water dispute tribunal (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 26: The Water Resources Minister, Mr Filipe Neri Rodrigues today said that the state would seek setting up of water dispute tribunal by the Union water resources ministry to resolve the dispute between Goa and Karnataka over the proposed diversion of water from Mhadei basin. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072717 *** Goa to make available vegetables and pulses at affordable price (India Daily) The Goa government will initiate steps to make available the vegetable, pulses and other essential commodities at a reasonable price, the State Assembly was informed today. http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/76420.asp *** Sesa Goa Apr-Jun net profit at 1.33 bln rupees -TV (Reuters via Yahoo! Asia News) July 26 (Reuters) - Iron ore exporter Sesa Goa Ltd. has posted a net profit of 1.33 billion rupees, compared to 1.58 billion rupees for the same period last year, according to two television channels. http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060726/3/2nmzi.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] VIVA GOA - 29TH JULY 2006
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use the BMX booth as a meeting point. Please list your name on the message board that will be provided, courtesy of BMX. http://bmxgoa.com - A message from Oscar Furtado - President GOA TORONTO , Canada. - OOO WORLD GOA DAY MESSAGE OO It’s that time again! An opportunity for us to celebrate our proud heritage. The goans from Toronto Canada send their best wishes to goans around the world as we celebrate ‘Goa Day’ on August 20th. As we have in the past, we start our celebrations early as we host ‘Viva Goa’ on July 29th. Viva Goa attracts many goans from around the world. We welcome goans from around the world….mark your calendars! Once again we have designated our Viva Goa celebrations as part of our Goa Day celebration. The goans in Toronto strongly believe in Goan unity and solidarity. It is this unity with goans around the world that will give us a strong voice in times of need. Every year the attendance at Viva Goa continues to grow. We expect the numbers to exceed 6000 goans this year. We use this day to celebrate our culture, heritage and proud traditions through dance and shows, sporting events and fine cuisine. Celebrating Goa Day is very important as we have an opportunity to reflect on what it is like being a Goan while sharing this experience with family and friends. The goans from Toronto continue to support Goan unity and solidarity around the world. We salute Rene Barreto who has shown great leadership in helping bring Goans around the world together to celebrate Goa Day. We have reached a very important crossroad in determining where we take our solidarity. The goans from Toronto continue to pledge their commitment and support to the formation of an ‘Alliance of World Goa Organizations’. We are ready to start discussions with Goan organizations around the world to determine how we can all benefit from such an alliance. We strongly believe that the Goan community around the world has a very important voice. People will listen to us if we are united. Best wishes to all goans as we celebrate Goa Day 2006. Oscar Furtado, President, GOA Toronto, Canada Oscar Furtado VIVA GOA : www.goatoronto.com Oscar Furtado , - "Good ideas are two a penny. They only become valuable when someone implements them.Then they become innovation." --- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
