Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life re writing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Frederick, I do believe writing talent is a gift. I cannot nurture it any more than my mother hoped to nurture music in me. Vasco, (my dear piano teacher) if you're reading this, I forgive you for running away without even getting paid. My dad still has the Dh200, he owes you :)) However, one can nurture and cultivate a desire to be well-read, well-spoken and interested in the issues of the day. This is amenable to nurture. I too am trying to experiment with my daughter. I've already written her acceptance speech for the Booker's prize. So far she is showing great promise. She's learnt the one word that she can punctuate every sentence with later on in life, caca. I hear the origin of caca is the latin word cacare, of the same meaning. I take this as an assuring sign that she also has an aptitude for languages :)) I think the problem parents have, trying to encourage children to pursue writing, is that they perceive so few people can actually make a living out of it. This perception is incorrect. Writing can lead one into a variety of careers from advertising to television to publishing to training. Years ago I told my parents I wanted to be either a journalist or a cabaret dancer. They said both careers would expose far too much. As a result of which both my pursuits have remained strictly amateur, only to be performed from the sanctuary of my bedroom. :) Elisabeth -- --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gabe, I sincerely believe writing talent (read: confidence in one's abilities) is created. It's not something one is born with. The only question is: how do we build skills to promote and build a vast critical mass among Goa's young. I'm experimenting with training my daughter, because she's within close reach :-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * August 5, 2006 * Goa promises to life the four-week max stay limit for charter tourists (Goan and foreign) entering Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] / d8 Founded in e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ 1994 by 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Herman 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 Carneiro / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ Y http://www.goanet.org * Building social capital. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] * CHARTER ARRIVALS, whether Goan or foreign tourists, will be allowed to stay beyond four weeks, which is presently the stipulated maximum duration, tourism minister Dr Wilfred de Souza announced at a news conference. (NT) * Candolim Jazz Bar and Restaurant ransacked. Next to the primary health centre, it was run by Raj Kittur of Karnataka, who had signed a five-year-agreement with Pia Lobo which expired on August 3, police said. (NT) * Private helicopter service may fly in Goa. In a bid to further promote high-end tourism, union ministry of civil aviation Praful Patel has given its nod to consider introduction of private helicopter services. The three helipads built at Sinquerim during the CHOGM Retreat in 1984 could be made operational to benefit the high-end tourists through the helicopter, in vogue in most developed countries. (GT) * Mechanised vessels violating fishing ban: Churchill.(GT) * Centre asks Goa to beef up security on I-Day. (NT) * CCP expresses inability to stop garbage disposal in city. (NT) * Interest-free loans worth Rs 90 lakh disbursed to 179 students.GT * Spate of mishaps at Raia. (GT) * Security tightened around religious places. (GT) * Complaint against ex-mamlatdar of Bicholim. (GT) * Potholed roads behind mishaps in Sanguem. (GT) * Focus in GT: Baina parish, Nossa Senhora de Candelaria (GT) * It's the Hindu religious month of Shravan. (GT) * Raksha Bandhan festival coming up soon, Arti Das in GT. * Willy for status quo in Official Language Act. Sharp differences have developed between the Congress and the Nationalist Congress, coalition partners in Goa. In a letter to Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, NCP's deputy CM Wilfred de Souza said: The Congress party in Goa now suggests equal status to Konkani and Marathi. The Goan people will never accept this. Konkani is our language and Goa is our state. Presently, Konkani in the Devanagari script is the sole official language of Goa. Matter of script does not arise because everybody can write Konkani in their own script, Dr de Souza also argued. (NT) * Airport Authority of India to get land for Dabolim expansion before August 15. Vice Admiral Bedi has assured to transfer around 9 acres of naval land to the AAI for the construction of an apron and the new terminal building, at Dabolim, and the related file has gone to the cabinet committee on security. (NT) * Minister of Minorities A R Antule to hold interactive session with minority community leaders at Congress House on August 6, 2006. MEeting on Sunday, Aug 6, 10 am. (NT) * India's leading hermatologist Dr M B Agarwal guides docotors on bleeding disorders. (NT) * Cops release posters of 'most wanted' men. (H) * Storm brewing over 'kabrastan' graveyard at San Jose de Areal.H * Centre says Goa could be used as arms transit point. (H) * Centre, Goa to jointly organise IFFI, says New Delhi. (NT) * No-confidence motion against Tivim sarpanch Sharda Korgaonkar.NT * GSPCB officials inspect illegalities at Cuncolim. (NT) * Three fire-fighters injured at Merces; wall collapse. (NT) * Chief Secy inspects structures violating CRZ norms at Vasco.NT * Former Mormugao councillor Deepa Tari arrested for cheating.NT * Traffic circulation plan in Panjim to stay till October. (NT) * Fish vendors defy SGPDA directives. (NT) * Govt to implement law to popularise breast-feeding. (NT) * Bharne Creations marks Jeans Day on August 14. * New directory of Archdiocese released; Rs 100. (NT) * Videography of govt records allowed under Right to Info Act. * Prince Jacob's: Sant Anton, Milagrincho Sagor. New play. (NT) * Politician Ramakant Khalap is 60 today. (NT) * Opposition to expressway across Salcete. (H) * Waste greets GPCB officials at Cuncolim industrial estate.(H) * Govt gets mixed response to mandatory AIDS tests. (H) * State Govt asked to
Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, N. Korea, Chinese and Cuba have self serving dictators, who are not really bothered about the welfare of the common people. Aristo, I have not been to N. Korea or China and cannot comment on the state of affairs there. I have been to Cuba (several times.) Every Cuban in Cuba will vouch that Fidel's number one priority is the welfare of his people. He has provided free universal education and free health care for ALL his people. Can you name me one other leader in N. or S. America that is more concerned for his people? Aristo responds: You are right. I did forget to mention my distaste for communism's affiliation with Autocracy with Anarchy in some cases. But Communism can survive in a democratic setup, but again, that's only when they are in a minority and have no other option. Here is lies the fault of Communism. The two surviving communist states, N. Korea and Cuba, have resorted to nepotism in its purest form. The Korean leader inherited his job from his daddy just like the old kings on England. Fidel must have spawned idiots as his only hope now, is to transfer power to his 75 year old brother. Lastly, I would respect any communist govt that can win free elections. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 5vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Eka dhadoxi kazaran khashi manakui zago attaplolo asta. (A happy marriage includes respect for personal space.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 5, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Go to Goa (Ohmynews) On the west coast of India lies Goa, famous for its exotic beaches, Portuguese-style old villas and historical churches. Its 82 miles of coastline are blessed with some of the finest... http://www.ohmynews.com/function/rss_ArticleView.asp?lng=engat_code=350819 *** Mininig cos to construct bridge in Goa (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Mining companies will join hands to construct a bridge across a river in Goa's mining belt to facilitate the ore transport, officials said. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1844249.cms *** Tourists coming to Goa on chartered flights can stay longer (New Kerala) Panaji: Tourists visiting Goa on chartered flights from abroad will be able to stay in the state for over four weeks from the next tourist season, Goa Tourism Minister Wilfred D'Souza said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2119 *** Notices to foreigners in Goa purchasing property (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government today issued public notices to foreigners purchasing properties in the state, cautioning them against the violations of Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), 1999. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=1341 *** Goa to decide on making pre-marital HIV test mandatory (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government will discuss at the next meeting of the state cabinet the issue of legislation on mandatory HIV tests before marriage, officials said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2102 *** Pre-marital HIV test mandatory in Goa? (The Times of India) The Goa govt will discuss at the next meeting of the Cabinet the issue of legislation on mandatory HIV tests before marriage. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1854382.cms *** Goa govt names five freedom fighters to attend function (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa Government has named five freedom fighters to attend the `At Home' function to be hosted by the President of India on August 9 at Rashtrapati Bhavan in New Delhi. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2186 *** Organization opposing 'outsiders' stage protest in Panaji (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 3: An organization opposing influx of migrants from neighbouring states to Goa today staged a protest here expressing concerns on priorities given to outsiders. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=1822 *** Goa to set up Film City (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 1: The Goa government plans to set up a film city or film park in the state to provide exposure to local artists and open up new employment avenues, Industries Minister Luizinho Faleiro said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=376 *** Mining just got easier in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: Mining in Goa has just got easier with the state government giving the green signal to the Goa Infrastructure Development Corporation Pvt. Ltd. (GIDC) to build a four-lane bridge across the Usgao-Pale area of North Goa to facilitate the transportation of ore. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=579 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions .. re Godfearing evil
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dr Colaco and Dr Helekar, Although both of you offer interesting points of view, I tend to have a third perspective. Evil, as we traditionally define it, cannot exist if one is either an agnostic or atheist. The concept of evil, is a corollary to the concept of God, hence evil emanates from the devil and goodness from God. To me all evil is just mental dysfunction. It is the belief that one is right and it is dysfunction because at the extreme end of the spectrum it makes the person incompatible with society. In between there are various degrees of this dysfunction. Hence a person can be god-fearing as in Andrea Yates (who feared God so much she drowned 5 of her kids) and evil at the same time, by the traditional definition of what is evil. In another time and century she would have been burnt at the stake for being a witch perhaps. Mercifully our understanding of mental disorders, post-partum depressing and other dysfunction today enables us to appropriately classify this evil. As we learn more about the mysteries of the mind, in time we will be able to identify more accurately, all forms of evil. Elisabeth --- --- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, It is almost always that you profer the right point. I am afraid that this is not one of those times. I submit to you that the term An Evil God Fearing Person is an oxymoron. A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Misconceptins about God and evil - response to dr Helekar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear dr helekar, if history is any indication the most horrible atrocities commited by man against fellow human beings have been in he name of a loving God. And most of the the times the perpetrators'faith in God was so unshakeable that they genuinely believed that what they were doing was in fact good. Both theists and atheists have been mass murderers. Yes, some God-fearing people who profess their faith openly, have started illegal and immoral wars. George Bush is a good example. In the Iraq war, 30,000 innocent Iraqis have died. And now he is standing by while Israelis bomb women and children. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Konkani, ROMI DEVANAGIRI WGD
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Jose, My inbox went down over the Viva Goa photos, almost 1,500 hits daily, the e-mail response was staggering. I must quickly weave together the disparate strands uniting Rene, Goa Day the Devanagiri script. Certainly you may be right wrt the re-engineered Konkani Romi script. That does not make wrong my displeasure with the underhand slipping in of the much-detested Devanagiri script into Goan life. It might be tolerated and even now accepted alongside the Romi script, but must never again be allowed to enslave us. For the record I'm not a 'mogi', nor fluent in Devanagiri konkani, just the Devanagiri script. Rene is the face of Goa Day, whose antecedents remain unclear. Despite spirited defenses, there is a difference. Credit must always be acknowledged, lest a maverick take advantage of the vacuum. A co-ordinator and a genuine founder are quite different. Like Solomon's judgement, a genuine founder would have understood the call to arms. Goa Day is a creation, an ephemeral child, of the diaspora. How many Goans in Goa take even a moment's notice of it, let alone celebrate it ? Therein lies your problem - the long simmering resentment of native Goans with the diaspora, and their glib, flighty, fanciful ways. When irate Goans march for their script in the flooded, steamy streets of Goa, the diaspora Goans are celebrating WGD with song and dance, toasting their personal success year after year, tossing off jarring phrases boonies,freeway, summering,turnpike, blah, blah, blah... is it any wonder brilliant writers like Elisabeth end up being mauled by the likes of Cecil Pinto and Sunith V? The diaspora could do heaps for those who fight on back home. Like support the script battle. And if you think it is possible to ignore those of our less fortunate brethren, then may I quote Walter Pitkin in reminding you that we must remain the enemy of the good - because to love the best is to see the whole Goan world in a fresh and startling light. As with the origins of WGD, that being possible to hate half-knowledge, half-hearted ideals, half-skills, sussegado,complacency, sets fire to something inside you. Like many, our Goan world perishes under the misleading of stupid people who disbelieve in perfection. Pitkin again. Calling themselves realists, they are actually victims of the vulgar myth of man's supreme, invincible incompetence. Rank leaders rise up with the day, saving Goa from the govt., the Raj, the ghanttiis, even Goans themselves. Deeming people to be much worse than they are, these so-called leaders become compromisers, shirkers, or false liberals who spout words and choke on deeds. True leaders will unite the diaspora and the native. And never allow ourselves to be sold short, of our cuture or destiny. Verily the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Always, FR. . Dear FR, wrt Rene: Like you too have said, he is a good guy. He does the best he is able to, and I commend him for that. Let's assist him if we can. wrt the Goa Day origins: I am sure the credit lies with the Kuwait Goans who started this event in the early 1990s. I also credit Prof George Pinto (and a fine Goan lady whose name escapes me at this moment) with the date etc of the present GoaDay. However, whoever the parents of the idea, and we should surely acknowledge them, it is Rene Baretto who has played the role of the active 'Father' of Goa Day, and Basilio Magno as the 'Godfather'. wrt Devanagri: Is it possible that we are somehow mixing up Devanagri (the script) with English (the language)? I personally believe that Devanagri is better suited to correctly give letter-form to the spoken form of Konkani. However, as Jorge de Abreu Noronha wrote in some time ago, that difficulty can be overcome in the Romscript, quite easily and without the headache of the reEngineered Romi Konkani script. If Konkani is to grow in more avenues than just the Tiatrs, the movers and shakers must think again. One method is to accept that alienation NEVER... ULO is the only present Konkani publication which has a chance of succeedingwhile Sunaparant and Gulab have every opportunity to post a... Do understand very clearly, FR it is NOT the script which is the foundational problem for Konkani, it the mutilated and re-engineered Konkanithat is. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY - BANGALORE - India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ooo Hello Rene, Apologies for the delay in replying to your mail of July 27. You will recall that we, the Karnataka Goan Association, Bangalore, heartily responded to your call to abserve World Goa Day two years ago - and you will be happy to know, we shall be celebrating it for the third year in succession on 25th inst. WGD has become a permanent feature in the calendar (comprising about 15 events in a year, with something happening virtually every month) of this 1500+ strong association of Bangalore residents of Goan origin. By design, it is a signature event with friends, fun, music and Goan cuisine as its essential ingridients. Regards, Fausto Cardozo , President, The Karnataka Goan Association, Bangalore, India 0 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jose Colaco writes: Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, [deletia] A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. BTW: I am sure you will agree with me that Those who proclaim to be God fearing, may not really be what they proclaim to be. Jose, Allow SanTosh to put aside scientific cynicism aside for a moment. How else will he be able to make his case that God-fearing people can be evil? If someone commits acts of evil and claims to be God-fearing at once, it is the prerogative of every agnostic and atheist (scientist or otherwise) to accept such claims at face value. Please don't take the fun out of this argument! Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Allegiance of Kuwaitis.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The following what I wrote in todays Arab Times, I am reproducing it for the reading pleasure and information of the netters. Some of the Goanetters may find it interesting. AVF. Going down the memory lane, I can still remember very well what has happened on 4th day of the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. On 5th August, Sunday, Saddam Hussein gave an open call to the ordinary Kuwaiti people to come forward and take over the reins of Kuwait in their hands discarding the legitimate rulers of the country. Admiringly and of course surprisingly none of the Kuwaitis - big and small, elite and commoner - came forward to occupy the rulers seat. In one word all the Kuwaitis rejected the offer given to them by the conqueror Saddam Hussein. By rejecting this offer, the Kuwaitis have shown their total allegiance and support to the ruling family headed by Baba Jaber in whom every Kuwaiti reposed his total confidence. This is something rare nowadays to happen in any other country especially in the Third World and Black World where people and tin pot leaders are lustfully waiting eagerly to occupy the highest throne by hook or crook. See the defections in India and coups in Pakistan, Bangladesh and some African countries. My admiration goes to the Kuwaitis to show their firm support to their leadership even during the time of crisis. Not only this, on the very first day of the invasion when the ordinary Kuwaiti Taxi drivers - Red Colour Taxis - when they got the news of the invasion of their country, stopped plying their taxis thereby giving total non-cooperation to the invaders. Not only this, during the later part of the invasion month when Banking sector resumed work, with the exception expatriates none of the Kuwaitis resumed their duties thereby showing further non-cooperation to the invaders. The non-cooperation given by the Kuwaitis to the invaders including the establishment of Resistance Force by the Kuwaitis was the sign of total allegiance to the Ruling Family, to the legitimate leadership of Kuwait under the stewardship of the late Amir H. H. Sheikh Jaber Al Ahmed Al Sabah - May His Soul Rest In Peace. As a matter of interest and information about the confidence Kuwaiti people had in late Amir of Kuwait, I narrate one small but touching incident. One maid from my place in Goa was working for a Kuwaiti family. After 3 months of invasion, as all others, she too volunteered to return to Goa. While leaving she wanted her salary which was outstanding. But unfortunately for her, her employers were not in position to pay the same because they were short of cash due to prevailing situation. Hence, her Kuwaiti Madam told her - Mary, you go now to your country but I have no money to pay you because you know how bad our situation is. But, Mary, you dont worry for your salary, once our country is liberated I will surely send your salary to Goa by a Bank Draft. When Mary asked her Madam whether it is possible for the liberation of Kuwait, the confident Kuwaiti Madam replied thus: of course! Kuwait will be liberated and we have full confidence in Baba Jaber that he will work hard for it. This is the confidence of the Kuwaiti people in the ruling family and the leadership of Kuwait. Such confidence in their leaderships is not easily seen elsewhere nor such allegiance to their leaderships is easily noticed elsewhere. This is the uniqueness of Kuwaiti society and if it was not for the invasion of Kuwait I would never notice these great attributes of Kuwaiti citizens, ordinary and elite. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Trouble in paradise!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2006/08/05/pgoa05.xmlsSheet=/property/2006/08/05/ixptop12.html Thousands of Britons, drawn by the tropical climate and easily affordable lifestyle, have bought houses in the Indian state of Goa. Now, some may face investigation for a possible breach of the property laws - and the threat of losing their home. Peter Foster reports Sitting in his modest, lagoon-side house in the Indian holiday state of Goa, Rajan Ghate is plotting a revolution. With his laptop and new tele-fax machine installed in a small room, he has equipped himself for a fight that could have serious ramifications for British people wanting to buy property along Goa's palm-fringed coastline. Goa 'It is estimated that about 5,000 foreigners, including as many as 3,000 Britons, have properties in Goa' Mr Ghate is a young politician from the state's ruling Nationalist Congress Party. Among the paperwork on his desk is a leaflet distributed to all his party members. The British came to India as traders and ultimately ended up as the rulers, it declares. They purchased immoveable properties in India and we were compelled to expel them out of India. The hostile tone is clear. More than 40 years after the first western hippies discovered Goa, a small but vociferous group of Goan nationalists are saying it is time to put a stop to the latest foreign invasion. It is estimated that about 5,000 foreigners, including as many as 3,000 Britons, have properties in Goa, drawn there by the climate, easy-going atmosphere and low cost of living. Many are British pensioners attracted by the chance to buy a new-build, two-bedroom apartment in the sun for as little as £25,000. As Acron, one of the state's largest developers, says on its website: A couple can live in Goa, comfortably, on less than £500 a month, including expenses on food, utilities, car and chauffeur, entertainment, council taxes etc. Medical facilities are also affordable and first-rate. However, some Goans say they now feel overrun by the foreigners who, they claim, are driving up property prices and destroying the old, simple face of Goa. I am appealing to all Goan people and political parties not to sell land to foreigners in order to preserve our culture and identity, says Mr Ghate. His anti-foreigner campaign might almost be written off as comical were it not for the fact that it has struck a chord with some of the state's leading politicians. Last month Goa's chief minister, Pratapsing Rane, ordered a retrospective investigation into 445 property deals to see whether they had breached India's strict laws on foreigners buying property. Under the Foreign Exchange Mangement Act (FEMA) of 1999, non-nationals can buy property here so long as they are resident in the country for 182 days in the financial year before they buy. Traditionally - and particularly in Goa - the Act has been interpreted liberally, with some estate agents admitting privately that bending the rules was widespread as they sought to cash in on the state's property boom. There are unscrupulous builders and agents dishing out flyers to foreigners getting off their charter flights, said one agent. Even taxi drivers are in the property business. They tell people they can just put down a deposit and they will fix the paperwork - which often means doing a deal under the table with the registrar's office. However, the screws are rapidly tightening. All sale-deed registrations must now go through Goa's Home Department and be scrutinised by the police machinery to ensure they conform with FEMA. Until recently, prospective buyers could claim residency merely by swearing an affidavit - a practice which activists like Mr Ghate say has been widely abused. More worryingly for past buyers, the state government has said that it has clinching evidence that foreigners have broken the law. Mr Rane promised a local newspaper that any property found to have been bought illegally would vest in the custody of the government - that is, be confiscated. Understandably, such bellicose rhetoric has got many of Goa's foreign homeowners, developers and estate agents worried. The chief point of contention is whether foreigners looking to buy property can fulfil their 182-day residency qualification period while on a tourist visa, which has been common practice over the past seven years. The state government has now said that visitors on a
[Goanet] Response to JF Vaz's comment on the WGD.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Joe, You have hit the nail on it's head!. I fully endorsed your comments. The point in contention should be, not who is the originator but who works hard to make the event famous and reach each and every corner of the diasporia where the Goans have found their eventual aboard. I don't think Rene Baretto is as small in his thinking as this fact 'to affect his ideologies'. Cheers Mate! Newton Marques, From Down Under (One of the founder memebers of the WGD org. committee in Australia). _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:Code Watch:25 Years of Protecting Breast feeding
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. -- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO -- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 11th August from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC:Code Watch:25 Years of Protecting Breast feeding The IMS Act: Making it known to people SPEAKER: Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] NGOs: Non Governable Organisations?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. For Sachin Phadte's information, all institutions (including the Nirmala's Institute of Education, as seen in a recent case) which receive a substantial part of their funding from the government ARE covered under the Right to Information law. More at http://egov.goa.nic.in/rtipublic/start.aspx On 02/08/06, Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his article on the subject, Miguel makes an intriguing point as follows: My experience with NGOs in Goa over the last 22 years shows that most of these organizations play 'by the ear'. No rules really apply to them. Anyone who feels he or she is a 'born leader' forms a rag-tag 'association' of individuals with egos often bigger than their common agenda. Perhaps we should work towards having some transperancy in these organisations, similar to the one that is rightly being demanded of the government with the Right To Information Act. Sachin Phadte -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Nasci I have my doubts if you truly respect Hindus from your comments on this forum. You take the actions of a fanatical few Hindvata types (who are not real Hindus) to disparage Hindus in general. Yes, of course the caste system is wrong, but that is your crutch to attack Hinduism. And you conveniently state it is not part of this thread, when Goan Catholic injustices are brought to your attention. If you had the spine, why don't you address women's equality and Goan Catholics or do you agree with my comments below. Regards, George Nasci responds: I respect all that may be good in Hindu philosophy and good practices. They have NO RIGHT to have their Bad Practices to impact in public. Keep it strictly Private, confined to the Temple and or Home. George Pinto says: And if you are really interested in fighting injustice why don't you speak up and fight for it within the Christian tradition. Take women's equality for example (and I am not refering to women priests only). Can you honestly say that Goan women are treated equally in the Goan Catholic home? Do they have the same access to education, money, and other benefits? Are they treated equally in inheritance matters? Are they offered the same access to good paying jobs? Are they treated in a non-sexist manner by Goan Catholic men? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gabe, Like every story, there are two sides to this one, as well. First of all, the Indian Rupee is ever unlikely to get dearer (over long term), against most major western currencies. The logic being: the Indian government works overtime, to ensure the deliberate weakness of its currency. Therefore, if you just hang on to your Pounds, Euros or Dollars, you'd more likely come out a winner over long term basis - roughly, a ten year period. If the British and Indian economies keep cranking at their respective current pace and if you factor in, the expected Indian government's intervention to keep its currency value lower, you could almost guarantee yourself that your Pound would fetch 100 Rupees or more, for every Pound you sell in about 5 years. This brings me to the other side of the story: I have been drawing a quite chuckle, every time I read foreigner's are buying land and other immovable assets in Goa. In my opinion, these guys have no idea what they are getting into! The expected gain in the value of their assets, would almost get wiped out, by the devaluation of the Rupee. Moreover, its risky to purchase land/apartments in Goa, specially, if they get caught up in legal hassles with the locals. Goan courts are notoriously slow in dispensing off cases, should you get entangled in one. To drive my point home, let me explain this scenario with a personal experience: I purchased an apartment in Candolim in the mid-nineties. For arguments sake, lets says I paid 1 million (10 lakh) Rupees. I exchanged my dollars at that time, for something like 32 Rupees to a USD - or a total value of $31,250. Now fast forward to the year 2006 and compare the outcome: The apartment is now valued at 1.5 million (15 lakhs) Rupees. If I sell it and convert the amount back to US Dollars - what do I get back? A lousy $32,600 (at 46 Rupees to a Dollar). And this does not include other costs such as brokerage fees, stamp duty, capital gains tax (if any), currency conversion costs and all the other hassles, one has to go through. Also, note that the US Dollar, is amongst the currencies that grew the least in value, versus the Indian Rupees over that time. Thank god, the Rupee is only at 46 at the moment; had the Rupee gone down to 55 against the USD, I would have gotten clobbered. If I invested $30,000 ten years ago, into some stupid fund, I'd have doubled my money by now. Considering I work on Wall Street and would admit, I am reasonably good at investing on my own (instead of plowing the money in the funds), I could have made much more! So now, do the defensive Goans, see my point ? Let the foreigner's buy as much properties as they want. They aren't going to make much - actually, they would take on more risk and almost always loose. A smart Britisher would be better off, investing his money at the London Stock Exchange. Jim Fernandes. New York. -- Original message -- From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sterling is riding high! In Margao you should get at least 87 Rupees to the Pound. Better still sell up and migrate to Goa!! Have a ball, your money will buy more, you will be helping the economy as well! Buy before its too late!! Sterling is high because of USD weakness! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. And ... there are specific guidelines to determine what Self Defence really means. Dear Josebab, Sarcasm aside, you make a good point. Slippery definitions can be conveniently invoked for words such as god-fearing, anti-semite, terrorist sympathizer, hater of freedom and democracy, etc. A swami, a mullah or a priest who is defined as god-fearing one moment can be conveniently re-defined as godless the moment he commits a crime. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa/Konkani Day (Sonvsari Goyem/Konknni Bhas Dis)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dominic The issue is not naming the day. Now that Marathi is being proposed as an official language of Goa, I can forsee someone suggesting the name as World Goa/Konkani Day/Marathi Day or Goa Language Day. Then non-vegetarians may want it named after their eating habits, then the vegans, etc. The real issue is what should Goans DO to celebrate. I am afraid in this respect, most Goans prefer words to action. Regards, George --- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Goenkar bhav-bhoinnanim, August 20 is sixteen days away when we will be celebrating World Goa Day. This date also happens to be the 14th anniversary of the inclusion of our Konkani language in the VIII Schedule of the Indian Constitution. This is exactly why Miguel Braganza has suggested that it also be celebrated as the World Konkani Day. This message is to request Goans/Goan Associations all over the world to patronize Konkani by using it in connection with the World Goa Day. From now on, I suggest that the subject line read as World Goa/Konkani Day (Sonvsari Goyem/Konknni Bhas Dis.) The translation of the title will not only lend solidarity but will also announce to the world that we are celebrating a Goan function. I also suggest that World Goa/Konkani Day functions end with the following slogan: Viva World Goa Day - Viva Konkani! Have a wonderful World Goa/Konkani Day 2006! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Can anyone STOP this so called God fearing Catholic Woman to forgive herself? Is it NOT her own free-will to forgive herself? Is it not, whether forgiveness come from you, others or God is completely another matter? The need to forgive self and others comes only when one opens a negative account. And, the moment one settles this negative account by forgiving or by any other ways then one can set himself/herself free. The billion dollar question is: Are human beings NOT capable to STOP on time opening these negative accounts in the first place? Can anyone share his/her experience (NOT views) on this matter? Just a thought! Cip -Original Message- Gabe Menezes wrote on 04 August 2006 22:07 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples RESPONSE: I have kept away from this. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Not only in the Christian Religion but Common and Natural Law requires that restitution be made!! I do hope that all who support this woman, are also mindful that their actions only propogate and further the evil. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry (attn. G.Pinto)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I have my doubts if the author of [Goanet] Christian Goanet? truly respect Hindus, Catholics and Muslims equally on this forum? Cip -Original Message- George Pinto wrote : 05 August 2006 02:18 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry (attn. G.Pinto) Dear Nasci I have my doubts if you truly respect Hindus from your comments on this forum. You take the actions of a fanatical few Hindvata types (who are not real Hindus) to disparage Hindus in general. Yes, of course the caste system is wrong, but that is your crutch to attack Hinduism. And you conveniently state it is not part of this thread, when Goan Catholic injustices are brought to your attention. If you had the spine, why don't you address women's equality and Goan Catholics or do you agree with my comments below. Regards, George Nasci responds: I respect all that may be good in Hindu philosophy and good practices. They have NO RIGHT to have their Bad Practices to impact in public. Keep it strictly Private, confined to the Temple and or Home. George Pinto says: And if you are really interested in fighting injustice why don't you speak up and fight for it within the Christian tradition. Take women's equality for example (and I am not refering to women priests only). Can you honestly say that Goan women are treated equally in the Goan Catholic home? Do they have the same access to education, money, and other benefits? Are they treated equally in inheritance matters? Are they offered the same access to good paying jobs? Are they treated in a non-sexist manner by Goan Catholic men? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life re writing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. An excellent comment Elisabeth. Good writing helps you convey your ideas clearly and succinctly as well as extend your thought processes. And its of value not only in the careers that Elisabeth mentions but of great necessity in science, teaching, law and business. A well written email from a businessman is surely going to impress more than one with U 2 R . So good for you Fred - keep up your fine work of raising Riza to be a well written and well spoken young woman. I enjoyed her blog. Helga I think the problem parents have, trying to encourage children to pursue writing, is that they perceive so few people can actually make a living out of it. This perception is incorrect. Writing can lead one into a variety of careers from advertising to television to publishing to training. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] ROAD SAFETY:Protest highlights death trap at Tembi in South Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- -- ROAD SAFETY:Protest highlights death trap at Tembi -- Volunteers of the Raia Civic and Consumer Forum, villagers of Ambora and Camorlim along with Goa Civic Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) held a protest demonstration at Tembi to highlight the road safety and traffic management issues of the area. The protestors held a two hour action armed with placards with slogans highlighting the specific issue of the road widening that has been neglected by the Public Works Department (PWD) for over ten years. Although the land acquisition process had been initiated many years ago the PWD has been dragging its feet for the last three years when they have to compensate the land owners and widen the road. Tembi-Camorlim has become a death trap with hundreds of heavy vehicles which come from the NH 4A in Ponda via Borim go through the village at break neck speed and as the road has not been widened are unable to negotiate the sharp turns and therefore crash into peoples homes. As per the plans of the Goa Govt. the road was to be widened from Raia to Borim via Ambora and Camorlim villages, however there has been no action forthcoming from the PWD. To add insult to injury the PWD had recently hotmixed a stretch of the road near the Ambora bus stop which has become very slippery due to some fault in the materials used in the hotmixing process. This has resulted in over one hundred accidents in the last month after the start of the monsoons, with one accident causing a lot of damage to the Ambora bus shelter. The Ambora youth who participated in today's protest action stated that their Club has made representations to the Village Panchayat of Camorlim with regards to the slippery road and the damaged bus shelter with copies to the Loutolim MLA Mr. Alexio Sequeira, Police Inspector Maina Curtorim Police Station, Assistant Engineer Roads PWD, Fatorda, Assistant Director of Transport and Deputy Collector SDM Mr. Suresh Pilarnekar. The Camorlim Village Panchayat members Mrs. Lydia Coelho and Mr. Anthony Dias who participated in the action today assured to take up this matter at the forthcoming Panchayat meeting and Gram Sabha. Speaking at the protest action Raia Civic and Consumer Forum secretary Mr.Raymond Rocha stated that the inaction of the PWD is highly deplorable especially when the accidents at Tembi involve tankers carrying hazardous substances and pose a danger to the lives of people. He further stated that the Forum will approach the District Administration to deal with the matter. Mr. Roland Martins speaking at the action extended support of GOACAN to the villagers of Raia and Carmorlim in ensuring their right to Road Safety and Traffic Management. He further stated that GOACAN will draw the urgent attention of the PWD Secretary Mr. Santosh D. Vaidya, PWD Minister Mr. Sudin Dhavlikar and PWD Chief Engineer Mr. J.S.S. Rego with regards to the death trap at Tembi. Meanwhile the Raia Civic and Consumer Forum will discuss the future course of action on Road Safety and the role of the PWD at its monthly meeting. --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Konkani, ROMI DEVANAGIRI - agreeing with FR, Godfrey Floriano
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Francis, Brilliant stuff! Well expressed indeed - and Thank You once again for your courtesy. I add here that this thing called Kokni, masquareding as our mother tongue Konkani, is an engineered and IMPOSED IMPOSTER. The Goa Church with its weak-kneed hierarchy has fallen for it, and courtesy the IMPOSITION some among us have fallen for it, too. We may wish to ask ourselves, IF THAT IMPOSTER is really our mother tongue, How come our mothers cannot follow it ? As one (what I call PaperGoan) -i.e. person who is born in Goa - who calls himself Goan when it is convenient - but also calls himself as anything but Goan when it suits him said to me : In fifty years the mothers of that time will have forgotten the Konkani you talk about. That is probably the idea. The neo-Hindiwallas did that to Hindi-Urdu, the neo-Kokniwallas are doing it to Konkani. I am also advised by some of the purists ...that Variation in the various dialects of Konkani (Sashti, Bardezi etc) is similar to the variation of the various dialects of English (Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc). Yet, the purists say ...there is Standard English. That (I am further reminded) is the goal of the Kokniwallas i.e. To have a standard form of Konkani. These alleged purists need to be advised of two points wrt English: 1. The Welsh, Irish, Scottish mothers understand Standard English, Our Konkani mothers do not comprehend this travesty called Kokni. 2. Standard English was NEVER engineered. 3. English has enriched itself by including all words which have influenced it. This process continues even till this day. Our Kokniwallas have set themselves on decapitating words from Konkani and imposed words from Jhumritallaya ...to borrow a name of a place (;-). Please pick up a copy of Gulab in the Romi script or a copy of Sunaparant. Please pay for it. Please tell me IF you will PURCHASE another copy. As I said before All Power and Glory to those who slave in the hopes that Gulab and Sunaparant will be read - forget about understood (without a dictionary) and PAID for! ULO is so far (from the edition I have read) making some effort to be in the centre. I hope ULO succeedsThough, it is my personal belief that this IMPOSITION will drive most 'capable of financially and literally supporting' Goans towards English. I certainly will NOT support any Imposter language which masquarades as my mother tongue - however well it is engineered, and whichever script it is written in. If I want to read good Devanagri literature, I will purchase a Marathi publication. I will definitely not support a Kokni which sounds like a 3rd rate Nasal dialect of Marathieven if it is written in Romi or reenginered Romi Script. The more I think about it the more I agree with Godfrey Gonsalves and Floriano Lobo. Francis, once again I thank You for your civility. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net The views on the website are ONLY those of the author. We publish opposing views (minus personal abuse) uncensored. Please note: ALL the views do NOT belong to JC or TGF Original Message Follows From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Jose, My inbox went down over the Viva Goa photos, almost 1,500 hits daily, the e-mail response was staggering. I must quickly weave together the disparate strands uniting Rene, Goa Day the Devanagiri script. Certainly you may be right wrt the re-engineered Konkani Romi script. That does not make wrong my displeasure with the underhand slipping in of the much-detested Devanagiri script into Goan life. It might be tolerated and even now accepted alongside the Romi script, but must never again be allowed to enslave us. For the record I'm not a 'mogi', nor fluent in Devanagiri konkani, just the Devanagiri script. Rene is the face of Goa Day, whose antecedents remain unclear. Despite spirited defenses, there is a difference. Credit must always be acknowledged, lest a maverick take advantage of the vacuum. A co-ordinator and a genuine founder are quite different. Like Solomon's judgement, a genuine founder would have understood the call to arms. Goa Day is a creation, an ephemeral child, of the diaspora. How many Goans in Goa take even a moment's notice of it, let alone celebrate it ? Therein lies your problem - the long simmering resentment of native Goans with the diaspora, and their glib, flighty, fanciful
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Perhaps what Santosh is trying to say is that many if not most of the so called God fearing individuals are what as Jesus would refer to as being today's Pharasies. Since one is free to widely interpret and practise one's religion (like Mario's Cafeteria Catholism which allows him the freedom to believe that the Vatican was allied with Islamic terrorists!!), the defintion of what can be construed as a sin is itself open to debate. To some, thou shall not kill is a pretty definative statement. To many so called God fearing individuals killing is acceptable under a wide swath of options ranging from the Nazi genocide of the Jews to saving the life of stem cells at the expense of the lives of fully functional human beings. The same could also be said about non god fearing individuals. Being religious or not religious is not a sufficient criteria for being moral. If we could agree on a broad definition of morality and place people within this bell curve of morality, I suspect both the religious and non religious people would have their morality curves overlap each other - basically no difference. Humans are overly complex people to be categorized based on a single parameter. Marlon --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose Colaco writes: Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, [deletia] A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. BTW: I am sure you will agree with me that Those who proclaim to be God fearing, may not really be what they proclaim to be. Jose, Allow SanTosh to put aside scientific cynicism aside for a moment. How else will he be able to make his case that God-fearing people can be evil? If someone commits acts of evil and claims to be God-fearing at once, it is the prerogative of every agnostic and atheist (scientist or otherwise) to accept such claims at face value. Please don't take the fun out of this argument! Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tourism sector set to fly high
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. BY HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, AUG 4 — In what may be deemed as a major boost to the State’s tourism sector, the Union Civil Aviation Ministry is slated to lift the restrictions imposed on the duration of stay by charter arrivals in Goa. In other words, Charter arrivals whether Goan or foreign tourists will be allowed to stay beyond four weeks which is presently the stipulated duration. This was announced by tourism minister and the Deputy Chief Minister Dr Wilfred de Souza at a press conference on Friday noon at the Secretariat, Porvorim. Dr Willy who was in Delhi earlier this week met Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel and discussed a host of tourism and civil aviation matters concerning Goa. Dr de Souza told the media today that he had received a request from Goans travelling on Charters for a relaxation in the stipulated duration of stay. After discussing this at the centre, Dr Willy said that the union civil aviation ministry has agreed to lift the restrictions for all. “They can now stay in Goa as long as they want,” he said. He further disclosed that the civil aviation ministry has agreed to allow foreign (scheduled) airlines to come directly to Goa. “This will bring in the high end tourists to Goa”, he said, adding the hotel industry will also benefit from both the mentioned decisions. Similarly, Air India will also be granted permission to introduce more flights per week on the Kuwait-Dubai-Mumbai-Goa sector as soon as its new fleet of aircrafts arrive. Speaking on the Dabolim airport expansion plans Dr Willy said that the stage was set for the transfer of land from the Goa government to the Airport Authority of India. This is likely to be executed before August 15. Similarly, work was also in progress for the transfer of nine acres of land from the Navy to the AAI. This, he said, will enable the authorities to kick-start works for expansion and upgrading the airport at Dabolim. In the meantime, Dr Willy pointed out that the Dabolim airport would be made operational 24 hours from the ensuing tourism season. “Except for a small period in the morning for Naval exercises the airport will be operational 24 hours,” he said. “While the Navy has enough staff to keep open the control towers 24 hours, the AAI has also offered to provide people to man the tower”, he said. He disclosed that the AAI and the Navy had entered into an agreement in this connection. In what also seems to be very interesting, the civil aviation ministry has granted permission for commencement of a helicopter service in Goa. 000 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario I definitely was not wanting your usual much repeated absurdity in a sermon. I neither needed nor wanted what you had to say. My gentle questions were to A. Veronica Fernandes who wrote an article about the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and was present when the rapes were supposed to have taken place in Goa and in Kuwait. I am sure he could provide an infinitely better response than you could ever do. Mario responds: Cornel, I hate to burst your bubble, but you do not have the luxury of controlling the dialog in a public forum like Goanet. There is no doubt that you did not want to hear my trenchant comments, because they exposed the very heart of your intentions. The REAL absurdity lies in the fact that AFTER A. Veronica Fernandes had described the situations in Kuwait and Goa, you come along with your typical propaganda on behalf of the Iraqi Baathists with the ridiculous assertion, ...the evidence of brutality and rape in Kuwait was subsequently deemed to be untrue, especially about the removal of vital equipment in a hospital where babies were being treated. I have also heard this from a Kuwaiti colleague, permanently resident in Kuwait, and who was present throughout the brief occupation. Here are your comments that are BEYOND ABSURD: a) The rape was deemed to be untrue because of some uncertainty that some hospital equipment was removed or not, and/or because of one of the many fictitious friends that you cite to support your propaganda? Reminds me of your Palestinians friends who said they had no animosity towards the Jews in Israel. b) The occupation of Kuwait was brief!!! Why do you think it was brief, Cornel??? Did Saddam suddenly have a change of heart??? What hard evidence will satisfy you, huh? DNA samples from the women? As we all know eye witness accounts are unreliable. And what difference does hard evidence make to someone so deterimined as you to defend the atrocities and intentions of the Islamo-fascists? You still refuse to accept the hard evidence that the Arabs have been trying to eliminate Israel since 1948, even after the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran openly and publicy say so, over and over again. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. One such example is Osama Bin Ladin. Mario responds: Unfortunately for Santosh's continuing attempts to propagate religious misconceptions, Osama Bin Laden turned out to be anything but God-fearing. Anyone who follows current events would know that Osama does not fear his God. In fact, he claims to represent his God, that he is doing his God's bidding, that he is destined to go to heaven by doing so. REAL God-fearing Muslims that do follow Islam's moral code consider Osama to be a heretic who has distorted their religion beyond any recognition. By normal standards Osama would be classified as a delusional homicidal and suicidal psychopath. In the meantime, history is replete with evil Godless tyrants who routinely massacred millions of their own people simply for their political opposition, and deprived them of any humanity, personal property and personal freedoms. Two of these remain in power, Kim Jung Il of N. Korea and Fidel Castro of Cuba. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Uncomfortable truths about modern competitive societies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. A POSITIVE ATTITUDE IS YOUR MOST PRICELESS POSSESSION. 2. YOUR ATTITUDE DETERMINES YOUR ALTITUDE. Mervyn Lobo responds: Don't you think that all the slogans in the world are useless if one still goes around calling oneself a barbarian and using the name of Jesus Christ to cuss? Mario observes sadly: The slogans and the American spirit they embody are useful for anyone who has to compete in the very competitive US. Those who reject them, as Mervyn obviously does, are better off someplace else. Mario, I will join the chorus of Goanetters who point out that you cannot read nor understand simple sentences. Take your first slogan: A POSITIVE ATTITUDE IS YOUR MOST PRICELESS POSSESSION. Your interpretation of the slogan is to use of the name of Jesus Christ to cuss. Your interpretation of the second slogan, YOUR ATTITUDE DETERMINES YOUR ALTITUDE is even more intelligent. It has resulted in you claiming/(aiming?) to be a barbarian. Best wishes to you my friend. Mervyn3.0 There is no defeat in the confession of one¹s error. The confession itself is a victory. Mahatma Gandhi (Thought for today, Oman Daily Observer, Sunday 18 May 2003; p. 12) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Subject: Generalization of . questions
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mario Will you please explain your assertion below? In the UK we call what you said, a cop out as it has no credibility whatsoever. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! This is a facile mistake to deliberately make, as the...strenuous attempts to cast Hitler, Stalin and the Mafioso as Christians would indicate... ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life re writing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Years ago I told my parents I wanted to be either a journalist or a cabaret dancer. They said both careers would expose far too much. As a result of which both my pursuits have remained strictly amateur, only to be performed from the sanctuary of my bedroom. :) I like it, Elisabeth! You're great! -- RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a rather humorous story WHY ARE YOU HERE Maxie Dunnam asks the questions: What is it that brings you here? Joe Vaz, The first commandment is: I am the Lord your God, do not have false Gods above me. I really liked your story about: And with that, poor Herman had had enough. He turned to Mary and said, I don't want to hurt your feelings, Honey, but you know if it weren't for your money, I probably wouldn't be here either! My questions for you or any pious Christian in S. Arabia is: Since you are told very clearly PRIOR to signing your contract that you will not be allowed to worship in a church in S. Arabia, why would one willingly go to such a place? What attracts you to a place where a follower of Christ cannot go and pray in the open? These two questions have troubled me since I was a teenager. Any help/views will be appreciated. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Misconceptins (sic) about God and evil - response to dr Helekar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if history is any indication the most horrible atrocities commited by man against fellow human beings have been in he name of a loving God. And most of the the times the perpetrators'faith in God was so unshakeable that they genuinely believed that what they were doing was in fact good. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both theists and atheists have been mass murderers. Yes, some God-fearing people who profess their faith openly, have started illegal and immoral wars. George Bush is a good example. In the Iraq war, 30,000 innocent Iraqis have died. And now he is standing by while Israelis bomb women and children. Mario asks: Vivek, You can't be serious - or so monumentally misinformed about history. The worst atrocities in history had nothing to do with religion. Only the Christian Crusaders of old, the Irish conflict and the modern Islamo-fascists cited and cite religion as their motive. The ancient Roman and Greek conquests were not religious. The Turks genocide of Armenians was racial. Hitler's massacres were racial. He killed non-German Christians and Gypsies as well as Jews. However, these atrocities pale when compared with the worst killers in history who were all avowed atheists, regardless of your ignorance or amnesia and Cornel's desperate attempts at factual distortion. Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot were all REAL communists and are credited by reputable historians for over 50 million deaths, all for political reasons. George, The liberation of Iraq is only immoral from the viewpoint of the Iraqi Baathists and Sunni minority, who make up less than 20% of the population, and their apologists and propagandists, like you for example. Regarding the legality of the liberation, you are just plain false, deliberately in my opinion because the basic facts are widely known and documented. The liberation of Iraq was legally authorized by UN 1441, which was passed unanimously by the UNSC, and in the US by the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1998, and the Joint House-Senate authorization of October 2002. Most of the 30,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed by the Al Qaeda terrorists trying to foment sectarian violence in Iraq and in the sectarian violence itself. This compares with the 300,000 innocent Iraqis found in mass graves courtesy of Saddam Hussain and the thousands of Kurds and Shia that were killed by his chemical WMD's to the point that the UN had to impose no fly zones in the morth and the south to protect them from aerial attack. The foundation for all that is going on in Iraq was set well before George Bush became US President in 2001. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins some brief history
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. -- One uninformed Goan wrote: My personal view on the World Goan Day effort and bringing it to every continent and country was that of Rene Barreto. It is not so much as to who conceived the idea for the Goa Day, but more so who nurtured, tendered and propagated it to the ends of the globe. It is interesting people have personal views without access to facts first-hand. As I have mentioned several times, Rene worked tirelessly for WGD, organizing WGD. Why do you think he won a Goa Sudharop award for WGD? He was not ALONE in the first three years while WGD got off the ground, but the public face. Goa Sudharop simply did not conceive the idea, but played a founding role. See excerpts from Rene himself below. All the international phone calls to various Goans groups, articles written in Rene's name, 500+ emails to various groups including the early promotion to get WGD going, including drafting Rene's emails to various forums and groups, motivating Rene to continue when he was ready to give up because of the lack of response from various Goans, setting up the website, setting up the Yahoo Group, etc. etc. Sure does not seem like just conceived the idea to me. All the early heavy lifting was done by Goa Sudharop and Rene with Goa Sudharop staying behind Rene and in the background. It is not in my nature to claim any credit, but sometimes the truth has to be told to offset people's personal views. Rene acknowledged that in an email in Goan cyberspace in Nov 2003, excerpts below. I think Francis Rodrigues understands the difference (correctly) between Founder and Organizer. Excerpts from an email in Goan cyberspace from Rene in Nov 2003. Please read GOA SUDHAROP for George Pinto, I do not want any personal credit, and GOA SUDHAROP provided the resources. The occasion [WGD] has drawn many Goans TOGETHER and this has been made possible with the support from many, but uppermost among them was Goa Sudharop. Others who helped to make this occasion a success were the Coordinators of WGD, a network of individual Goans and Goan organizations globally. The very first ever WORLD GOA DAY was celebrated on the 20th of August 2000 and was well supported by Gaspar Almeida and Ully Menezes www.Goa-World.com organisation along with a few other Goan Forums / organisations. In the years that followed , we seemed to have lost that support, But George Pinto, who is also the President of Goa Sudharop, came to our aid and gave us his personal and organizational support too, they has done so ever since. When WE were frustrated for want of responses and support George was there, encouraging us. He helped us by his postings on the various Goan e-groups. The articles George helped publish in the Houston Goan Convention program (in 2002) and Los Angeles this year (2003), made this event well known through out the GOAN WORLD. Goa Sudharop and George gave us the opportunity of launching our World Goa Day website (sponsored by Goa Sudharop and designed by Mario Alvares) in Goa earlier this year, that too gave us the opportunity of making the idea of World Goa Day known to Goans in Goa ! It's not just the support, its George's participation in the WORLD Goan events (Goa - Houston, L A, UK, S.F etc ., etc.) that has made that difference to us. We believe that TIME is an important factor in today's world, not just MONEY. George's efforts have been ably supported by Filomena Giese. Our thanks also go to Viviana Coelho of Goanet admin., Ariosto Jose Coelho and Mario Mascarenhas from Goa Sudharop for their support. End of excerpts. However, the larger point I am trying to make is that the Goan community has devalued WGD to a picnic, song, dance affair and refuses to do anything substantial. I am not referring to giving money, in fact I recently suggested support for Romi Konknai and Abbe Faria as two issues that could have been supported by Goan expats but were not. Fred has posted some ideas for WGD, and there is no shortage of ideas of what can be done. The real issue he and others have raised, are Goans going to do anything? As in ACTION. Or do they never want to be interrupted waltzing and jiving on the dance floor? Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DEVANAGARI FORCES RECONCILED TO FAIT ACCOMPLI
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Even as most of the Hindu Brahmins are reeling under the thunderbolt effect of the 31st July 2006, CLP decision and have gone in hibernation, ---the SUNAPARANT with a fifty member workforce ---the Konkani only in Devanagari newspaper ---with a daily 4000 to 5000 copies printed of which only around 1500 are sold (and purchased mostly by the Hindu Brahmins and the Scheduled Tribes -- Hindus /Catholics --- ) as confirmed by their employee --- they have started featuring some write ups in their daily by some noveau riche Hindu Bahujans and STs except the Hindu Brahmins to give a semblance as if the CM (read common man) is against the CLP decision. Even Mr Serafino Cotta, from Betalbatim Salcete the Vice President of the Konkani Basha Mandal a staunch pro Konkani Only devanagari script has also come out with a strong statement in another local English daily condemning the CLP decision, now as the Convenor of a new front Konkani Ekvottobviously floated by this same lobby. Mr Rajan Narayan editor of Goan Observer DOES NOT support official status to Roman script yet in the latest issue of his GOAN OBSERVER he bluntly admits : quote -- in cover story - The Devanagari Konkaniwadis have brought the DISASTER on themselves by their selfishness and self centeredness. The charge that the Devanagari Konkaniwadis have appropriated much of the benefit of Konknai in the Devanagari script being made the official of the State IS TRUE to a significant extent. I have repeatedly pleaded with the Devanagari Konkaniwadis to be generous and gracious and share the fruits of Konkani in the Devanagari script being made the official language with their Romi brothers and sisters. They should have WOKEN up to the fact that sibling rivalry can have lethal consequences The Devanagari Konkaniwadis have been GUILTY OF TREATING THEIR ROMI KONKANI siblings with as MUCH SCORN AND CONTEMPT. (P.S letters in caps emphasis mine) And in a surprise development this writer received today a tele-call requesting for a suitable spot in Margao to be delivered a letter from tumcho - Pundalik Naik Od'dheokx Goa Konkani Akademi (established by the Government of Goa) Ref No:10/1/86/GKA dt 24/07/2006 addressed to the undersigned as Bhov Manest Shri Godfrey Gonsalves. The contents of the letter refers to a workshop to be organised by it on 24th September 2oo6 at 10 a.m Kala Academy Black Box MANDO ani DULPOD hea vixoiacher ek kariaxalla workshop ghoddoun haddunk evjilam. Never did this writer recieve any such invitation in the past and what is intriguing is how could a body Goa Konkani Akademi (established by the Government of Goa) address this letter in Roman script, when the official language of the State is Konkani in Devanagari script and there is no mention whatsoever of the Roman script as of now in the Goa Daman Diu Official language Act 1987? Is it a change of heart,or minds, is it signs of COLD TURKEY owing to the bomb that the protoganists of Konkani in Roman provoked the CLP to to explode on 31st July, 2006. Mr Pundalik Naik should kindly note that these gimmicks could serve his interests -- Konkani in Roman script votaries do not want doles, assistance, but what is legitimately ours. GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions .. re Godfearing evil
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--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Dr Colaco and Dr Helekar,
Although both of you offer interesting points of
view, I tend to have a third perspective. Evil, as
we traditionally define it, cannot exist if one is
either an agnostic or atheist. The concept of evil,
is a corollary to the concept of God, hence evil
emanates from the devil and goodness from God.
Mario observes:
Don't you just LOVE this wand-waving brand of atheism
or agnosticism? Doesn't it prove what I have been
saying on this forum, that there are no reliable
standards when it comes to the moral codes of
unorganized individual atheists and agnostics?
This is the most comical version of evil I have heard
in a long time. The communist totalitarian dictators
must be smiling in their vinegar.
Actually, evil has little or nothing to do with the
concept of God. The concept of God simply highlights
the difference between good and evil.
The concept of right and wrong is not restricted to
religious people. It should be instinctive to every
civilized adult, but it apparently is not in the
version under discussion in this post. The dictionary
definition of evil includes:
a) morally reprehensible [Elisabeth essentially says
that atheists and agnostics cannot be morally
reprehensible, because morality comes from a belief in
God. In other words, We atheists and agnostics
reject the notion of God and therefore the notion of
goodness, so you can't call anything we do evil,
because we never agreed to be good in the first
place.]
b) arising from actual or imputed bad character or
conduct [The concept of bad also derives from God,
which means that atheists and agnostics cannot be bad,
according to Elisabeth, because they never agreed to
be good in the first place.]
c) causing discomfort or repulsion {Even the most
die-hard atheist/agnostic MUST understand what THIS
means.]
d) causing harm [I wonder if the concept of harm
also derives from God, which means that atheists and
agnostics cannot cause harm. Nah! Even atheists and
agnostics must understand harm. Right? But who
knows any more?]
Elisabeth writes:
To me all evil is just mental dysfunction.
Mario observes:
This will come as a shock to mental health
professionals. Is Elisabeth now practicing medicine
without a license? The consequence is that all
prisons around the world must now be turned into
mental health facilities.
Elisabeth writes:
Hence a person can be god-fearing as in Andrea
Yates (who feared God so much she drowned 5 of her
kids) and evil at the same time, by the
traditional definition of what is evil.
Mario observes:
Andrea Yates was diagnosed as medically insane, which
makes any assertion that she was God-fearing equally
absurd. One must be sane to understand the connection
between being God-fearing and eschewing evil.
Elisabeth writes:
As we learn more about the mysteries of the mind, in
time we will be able to identify more accurately,
all forms of evil.
Mario adds:
The Crusaders, the Inquisition types, the Irish nuts,
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il,
Fidel Castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama Bin Laden and
the Islamo-fascists, Hitler, Mussolini, the pedophile
priests and all Mafioso and drug dealers everywhere
are all breathing a sigh of relief for suddenly
finding themselves off the hook in Planet Elisabeth
because they are all simply dysfunctional.
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[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 6vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Tuka tan lagchea adim tuvem bhaim marunk zai. (You have to dig a well before you get thirsty.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 6, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Go to Goa (Ohmynews) On the west coast of India lies Goa, famous for its exotic beaches, Portuguese-style old villas and historical churches. Its 82 miles of coastline are blessed with some of the finest... http://www.ohmynews.com/function/rss_ArticleView.asp?lng=engat_code=350819 *** Security stepped up in Goa (The Hindu) Alert about possible terrorist activities in coastal regions http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/06/stories/2006080605181200.htm *** Tourists coming to Goa on chartered flights can stay longer (New Kerala) Panaji: Tourists visiting Goa on chartered flights from abroad will be able to stay in the state for over four weeks from the next tourist season, Goa Tourism Minister Wilfred D'Souza said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2119 *** Goa to decide on making pre-marital HIV test mandatory (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government will discuss at the next meeting of the state cabinet the issue of legislation on mandatory HIV tests before marriage, officials said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2102 *** Pre-marital HIV test mandatory in Goa? (The Times of India) The Goa govt will discuss at the next meeting of the Cabinet the issue of legislation on mandatory HIV tests before marriage. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1854382.cms *** Goa govt names five freedom fighters to attend function (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa Government has named five freedom fighters to attend the `At Home' function to be hosted by the President of India on August 9 at Rashtrapati Bhavan in New Delhi. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2186 *** Goa put on alert following caution from Centre (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 4: A security alert has been sounded across Goa following a communication from Central government, State Chief Secretary J P Singh said here today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=2558 *** Goa aim for taekwondo gold in 1st Lusofonia Games in Macau (Navhind Times) Margao, Aug 4: A four-member senior taekwondo team in the Olympic weight category, will represent Goa at the inaugural Lusofonia Games in Macau in October. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081813 *** Centre asks Goa to beef up security on I-Day (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 4: The ministry of home affairs has sounded alert to Goa on the Independence Day, August 15, and asked to tighten the security around vital installations and soft targets, markets or places frequented by tourists. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081719 *** Goa's spirits high with Konsan Feast (Yahoo! India News) Fields in Goa are green ready for harvest. The season starts with a unique festival called Konsan Feast. http://in.news.yahoo.com/060805/211/66gb9.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life re writing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Of course, I don't believe what Elisabeth says. Writing isn't a talent. It's a discipline. Anyone can learn it, just as anyone can learn swimming, cycling, neat handwriting, calligraphy and many more skills. Of course, music is a different ball game. I too am tone deaf, and have absolutely no ability at it. But writing is different. I call it applied common sense. It's not rocket science! More importantly, you need to psyche yourself into believing that you can write. To your surprise, you will be able to. Give me anyone interested in the field, and I could turn them into a writer. (Of course, I don't mean a Shakespeare, but someone who can contribute to society through his or her writing.) BTW, have you seen that amazingly practical book on writing, by Strunk and Write. (Omit needless words. Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. - William Strunk, Jr.) You can find a still-relevant 1918 version of this book at http://www.bartleby.com/141/ --FN On 05/08/06, HELGA GOMES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An excellent comment Elisabeth. Good writing helps you convey your ideas clearly and succinctly as well as extend your thought processes. And its of value not only in the careers that Elisabeth mentions but of great necessity in science, teaching, law and business. A well written email from a businessman is surely going to impress more than one with U 2 R . So good for you Fred - keep up your fine work of raising Riza to be a well written and well spoken young woman. I enjoyed her blog. Helga -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jim Fernandes, If considered in pure economic terms, your post is right on the button. You really would have to be an idiot, if you were a foreign national(of non-Goan descent) buying property in Goa for purely investment purposes in the long term. However if you look at it in terms of a lifestyle investment, it starts to make sense. Where else in the world could you have wonderful weather, beaches, locals who will bend over backwards for you, chauffer driven transport, fine dining, etc. all for less than the monthly rent for a single room in a student residence in London?? While shrewd politicians like Rajan Ghate and Pratapsinh Rane are now using this issue to bolster their 'swadeshi' credentials it must be remembered that the whole issue started because of an RBI notice to the Goa government regarding the disproportionate number of Private Limited Companies(bogus ones!) that were being setup in Goa every year and that these companies were violating existing foreign exchange regulations in their purchase of immovable assets. This fundamental issue has suddenly been sidelined, and the focus has now shifted to colonialism and rising property prices. It is a joke to blame foreign nationals for the rising property prices in Goa. Any person who has bought property in Panjim will testify to the astronomical rise in property prices in the last ten years, and foreigners have not played any part in this. If foreign nationals weren't buying properties in the beach belts, wealthy Indians would be and prices would be the same as they are today. Self righteous goans and crafty politicians have conveniently ignored the fact that the developers and real estate agents are the ones bending the rules and raking in illegal foreign exchange. They are all Goans and not foreign nationals or ghantis or bhaile. If anyone should be punished it is them. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the government is suddenly interested in confiscating these properties for the sole motive of auctioning them off to their cronies at throw away prices. We are not a Banana Republic did someone say?!? Does any Goanetter know the name of the very high ranking RBI official who sent this notice. She is of Goan descent(Lorraine D'Souza???). I remember reading about the notice in the Times of India some time before Rane raked up this issue in the assembly. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 05/08/06, Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Can anyone STOP this so called God fearing Catholic Woman to forgive herself? Is it NOT her own free-will to forgive herself? Is it not, whether forgiveness come from you, others or God is completely another matter? The need to forgive self and others comes only when one opens a negative account. And, the moment one settles this negative account by forgiving or by any other ways then one can set himself/herself free. The billion dollar question is: Are human beings NOT capable to STOP on time opening these negative accounts in the first place? Can anyone share his/her experience (NOT views) on this matter? Just a thought! Cip RESPONSE: One can continuously be sorry after the fact, then onwards tally ho, to the next despicable act...and so on and on? We are again then drawn, to the the so called Moral compass; one either has it or has not! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanetters, I think Santosh is making a very valid point that God-fearing people can, and do engage in horrendous evil. Osama bin Ladan is a perfect example, killing for his warped view of the love of his God-fearing maker, and the 'sacred' land of Saudi Arabia where Mohamed the prophet was born and lived. And so are the suicide bombers, wanting to get to heaven in double-quick time to meet the God they so fear and also love! So also were the Crusaders in earlier times. Other examples are the Ku Klax Klan, some among the Boers in apartheid South Africa and even Hitler. The first two definitely drew highly selectively from the Bible to support their warped arguments about their right to demonise and eliminate 'lower' groups. Hitler in turn, drew his bizarre inspiration from his God-fearing sense of Christ's unfinished business of eliminating the Jews. These guys were thoroughly mistaken but they were most certainly frighteningly God fearing! There is no oxymoron in this assertion at all. The oxymoron suggested by JC reminds me of a good friend of mine who when hearing that someone was divorcing a women whom he had loved desperately before, claimed that the bloke had not really ever loved her in the first place. Fortunately life's experience has helped my friend to change his mind about his daft previous oxymoron. In some respect this is also like the Catholic Church rejecting the concept of divorce but happy to be instrumental about (sometimes after years of marriage, children etc) the mind-boggling concept of annulment, especially assured to the rich, famous and powerful. Cornel - Original Message - From: Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, I submit to you that the term An Evil God Fearing Person is an oxymoron. A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. CORNEL: It is precisely because some guys are obsesively God-fearing that they can engage in horrendous evil. Why are some on Goanet so confused about this point? I believe that those who are not God Fearing, have a higher propensity of being evil. Cornel: obviously, the ultra devout Catholic Mafioso who definitely claim to be God-fearing, do not come into the frame for pure convenience! It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER [Cornel: I am sure ever was meant and that this is a typo] commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060806/9e659a12/attachment.ksh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] When beer goes in the brains go out - Goan Festival uk 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. - Original Message -=20 From: Melvyn Fernandes=20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: When beer goes in the brains go out - Goan Festival uk 2006 Gabe Menezes rightly pointed out my error of calculating a 300ml can of = beer instead of 500ml but ignores that I was trying to compare the price = with the bar prices on a scale model at Viva Goa Toronto, My apologies = to Greg Carvalho and the Bar team at the Goan Festival in London for any = offence caused you did a splendid job in keeping with your motto of = aiming to please and not to Fleece. To me a can of beer is a can of = beer I normally look for the strength rather than how many mils. Those = in the know will confirm that the kidneys process one unit per hour = regardless of how many mills had at the time, I am unable to confirm how = many mils makes a unit as different beers vary in strength our caterers = play an important part for serving quality food to ensure that visitors = dont drink on an empty stomach or end up with food poisoning and of = course the musicians reliving our traditional music makes this annual = fest a true Goan party with all the ingredients Good Food,Good Music and = Drink to individual taste .Guests leave happier than when they came = ensuing a trouble free event an important safety issue for everyone. I note the concerns expressed about the playing fields not being level = at the Goan Associations UK Sports Day this is not within my remit and = will pass this on to the sports secretary and his team for any continued = action with a suggestion that you may volounteer to attend with a = spirit level and carry out a risk assesment before each race or wet = grass during the tug of war with appropriate signs in Yellow (uk = standard colour for warning signs) Participants can then take part at = their own risk saving our army of volounteers and armchair advisors the = paperwork in dealing potential litigation. The Goan Association UK as = far as I am aware strives to work in patnership with our Community and I am sure that all steps = are taken to ensure the safety of all our visitors. Even though we are = homeless and have to hire Grounds and facilities I look forward to yet = another GOA sports day with three cheers to all our volounteers. I may = be on your side of the Bar Best Regards Melvyn Fernandes (written in a personal capacity) 5 August 2005 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] What's on in Goa... biodiesel demo...scholarloans... breast cancer ... Zai Whitaker
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I would very much like to have more information about Zai Whitaker and possibly her contact details. Would this be possible? Regards Caroline I love reading all your news and articles about Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
