Re: [Goanet] Foreign Students Account for Nearly 80% of S&E Doctorates Awarded in America
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Hi Carmo, You really do have difficulty in providing facts when asked for, and it is you who continue to embarass yourself in this forum.I have provided you with the latest official statsics from the National Science foundation but you have provided me with a research article that says just (quote)"Indeed, in a number of highly ranked engineering schools, international students account for nearly 80 percent of doctoral students, while in fields such as law they rank as low as one percent"(endquote) How does this prove to anyone but the mentally challeneged that of the 900 doctorates awarded in computer science 80 % are awared to Indians? You further provide proof of your ignorance when you claim that Information Science and Computer Science are wholly unrelated. In most colleges in India as well as abroad the degree is called Computer and Information Sciences. I have done my Bachelors in Engineering in India and am doing my Masters in the UK, I am well aware of techinical courses and degrees. Then we are given this gem " ...I quoted was restricted to the very highly skilled field of COMPUTER SCIENCE - instead you referred to aggregates of the relatively easier fields of computer/ electrical engineering which are typically dominated by white Americans.." Do you ever read what you write?? Can you provide any data to support your claim that Computer Science is more difficult than Computer/Electrical engineering?? Are you aware that software companies in India provide first preference to Computer Engineers rather than BSc./MSc graduates in Computer Science. I had asked you to wake up to the real world once before, but obviously your eyes are still shut. Finally, your complete ignorance is revelaled in your below statement (quote)"But for us IITians, our educated guesses and speculations are as good or better than painstaking research done by you non-engineers."(quote) There is no use arguing with such garbage! Did your brain perhaps get a bit mushy while praciticing hanging upside down from crosses or is the foam annd froth still in your eyes. Regards Sunith Velho ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Anglo India's Singers - for Alfred
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tony Brent Hi Eric, Here's some info on Tony Brent which may interest you. He was born Reginald Britagne (pronounced Britayne) in Bombay in 1937 but later changed his name to Brent. Mother was part Irish and father part French. His parents encouraged him not to associate with or call himself an Anglo-Indian. He lived in Spence Lane, Byculla, with his family. He left India when his career took him to Australia and England in the early 50s and also had some hits in the US at around that time. He later settled in Australia where he opened an Indian Restaurant in Sydney. Dear Roland, I lived on Spence Road in Byculla from 1940, when I was fourteen, until July 1956, when I left with my wife and infant daughter for America. As a teenager I knew every kid on the block, whether Goan, Anglo-Indian, Bene-Israelite, Muslim, or Hindu. The only Reggie there was Reggie deLappa-Soares, a Goan. There were no Britagnes in any of the six buildings that lined our little blind alley. Could he have moved to Spence Road in the late 1950s? Best regards, Victor ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings - 23 (Of the Bane of India's march towards Progress]
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details --- Floriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have said it umpteen times before and I want to > say it again, that if India wishes to progress into > a world super power (the potential being rightly > there), it has to kill its religious fanatical > roots (read Hindutva) that are spreading like > cancer and more so since the Gujarat episode. When > I talk about India as a super power, I am not > talking in terms of the arms race or arms > supremacy which is basically meant to kill people > and the environment which supports life. I am > talking about knowledgeable India; India which will > use its resources optimally; India that will lead > the world in protecting its environment; India that > will look at the people of the world as human > beings and not as whites and blacks, Hindus, > Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, what have you; etc. > Mario adds: > Floriano, I agree and support almost all your very noble goals and ambitions for India to be an intellectual and moral superpower, with the one exception of national military strength, which you glibly describe as "...basically meant to kill people and the environment which supports life." > Military strength is basically meant to defend a country and it's citizens, which is the primary responsibility of any government, occasionally with pre-emptive offensive action if the threat involves WMDs, even if some of the aggressors are killed in doing so. I'm not sure how the environment is harmed by this. > It would be fine if everyone around India were benign countries following the principles of Buddha. Unfortunately, as we saw in 1947 with the pre-emptive Pakistani attempt to annex Kashmir by force, in 1962 with the pre-emptive Chinese rout of Indian forces in annexing part of Assam, and the unfortunate and relentless killings for decades of Indian citizens a few dozen to a few hundred at a time by Islamic radicals [which the survivors curiously ignore by looking the other way and proudly returning to normalcy within 24 hours], a country surrounded by nuclear powers that have attacked it in the past needs to be strong enough to deter the aggressive and homicidal intentions of others. > A true superpower, especially one with the supposed allegiance to the UN as India does, must also be able to occasionally provide military support for the defense of others that the world body deems necessary. To be unwilling to do so is incredibly selfish and inhumane, in my opinion. > Floriano continues: > > We do not see any worthwhile leadership on India's > horizon that will shape and/or ensure India's > SECULAR POLICIES. > Mario adds: > I think the Congress would do a better job of this if they were not constrained by some of their coalition partners. After all, the non-secular BJP was soundly defeated when their non-secular tendencies became apparent. So India as a whole is remarkably secular for such a diverse country trying desperately to emerge from decades of corrosive economic policies. > Floriano writes: > > Modern India requires leaders of the likes of the > 'terminator' who will forcibly flush these worms > (read RSS) and consign them to the pits of hell > to burn and evaporate into nothingness. > Mario observes: > I had no idea GoaSuraj had any intentions of recruiting and nominating Dr. Carmo for national leadership:-))) > Floriano writes: > > In Goa, we have these worms at work too. > > The Goa Su-Raj Party, with which I am solidly > associated from its inception, took its birth to > the understanding and belief that RELIGION and > POLITICS must never mix. It has taken this > thinking six long years to knock on the ear-drums > of the Goan people, but has made very little > inroads. And I/we believe that it will take more > than another six years for that status to change > because Goans are not yet ready to accept that they > are in danger. > Mario adds: > Floriano, you are truly a Goan patriot, and generally on the right track in my opinion. Most people would have said, "To hell with it!", but you keep fighting in the trenches for what you believe. Unfortunately, the problem with democracy, especially in such a chaotic, diverse sub-continent that is more analogous to Europe than any single country, is that it takes time and incredible patience and education, and a majority have to agree on even the smallest things. And sadly, more time than you probably have. > But yet you can't qui
Re: [Goanet] IITs Are The Best- Padre Conceicao College of Engg(PCCE) can come a close second
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Hello Dr. D'Cruz, I am proud (actually not really) to say that I am an alumni of PCCE. Let me tell you that it is in no way comparable to its counterpart FCCE in Vashi. Firstly, in its early days, the top management was mired in a corruption scandal, in which the then Principal resigned. The Principal that took over, who I presume is still the same till date, had no sense of leadership and direction, as I saw it. As far as facilities and infrastructure, it was decent for a new college. As a defiant backbencher, I was never in good books with MOST (not all) of my lecturers and Professors. In fact, this was the case from childhood. The students interaction with the professors is of paramount importance. This interaction has the potential to mould the students into great individuals. Unfortunately, none of my professors were inspiring, although some had good intentions, and thus, I am not a great individual. Yet. With no infectious enthusiasm from their side, I got bored and skipped most of my classes. By 4th year, I had only 4% attendance. While I used to pass my time sitting at the A/c Pub of Hotel Leonoras by the side of PCCE, speaking to the kind owner and manager who gave me refuge, my four years did not all go down to waste. Sometimes, I used to sneak into the Library (the then egoistic Librarian refused to give me a Library Card because of a trivial issue that I cannot remember, and I never applied for one after that) after the Librarian left for home early and go to my favorite section and immerse myself. I colluded with the Copier guy to copy my favorite books (80% of it, so as not to violate copyright laws) without a library card. I had to inspire myself, and I did. Although I never got the best of grades (in part due to those professors who hated my guts giving me the bare minimum passing marks for my internal assessments), I am proud to say that, eventually, I rocked the foundations and window panes of the college with the sonic booms of a supersonic rocket motor built by my project mates and myself, tested within the campus. My point is, had I been inspired and encouraged, despite my belligerent nature then, there's no saying where I might have reached. That is where you come in. Since your intentions are pure, I fully support your future plans of turning PCCE into a world class engineering institution. My advice to you is to persuade the top management to hire devoted, well-intentioned, inspiring, enthralling and of course, competent professors. And do not forget that students of that age require a sense of direction. I am sure Sunith will have his own unique perspective, and we would all love to hear it. However, Dr. D'Cruz, PLEASE do not infect your students with your personal views regarding Bardezkars, Organ Harvesting, and Intelligence varying across races and ethnicity's. You can restrict those views to us here on Goanet. Serious. I do hope you succeed in transforming PCCE in to a world class institution, so that one day I can honestly say that I am proud to be an alumni of PCCE. I can then also sit in my beach condo balcony in my red kashti with the sandy breeze blowing in between my thighs and post messages on a forum on how I think PCCE is the NUMBER 1 ENGINEERING INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD and how we are not necessarily nerds! Regards, Aristo. On 10/20/06, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Samir, > > I think India should not waste its precious resourses on developing > world-class research programs. We should do better with what we have because > if India doubles or triples its budget for graduate research, the PhDs > produced by these programs will soon be recruited by the American and other > foreign countries' companies, research organizations, and universities. And > India will lose even the few indigenous PhDs who chose to stay back after > their Bachelor's degrees. The IITs should have vigorous programs to hire > part-time foreign-returned faculty from the local companies, visiting > faculty and visiting researchers from America to enhance their teaching and > research programs, because after all the US-based IITians want to give > back - and after living and working in America for a few years, they have > developed new perspectives and attitudes and work habits which India needs. > > I have already decided how I will spend my sabbaticals in India. I will > teach short courses in the IITs and collaborate with the I
[Goanet] Sethu Sunday - Please donate generously
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Sethu is doing wonderful work in Goa for differently-abled children in Goa. The annual Sethu Sunday is one of their main fund raisers. Please contribute in whatever way you can. - Donate items for sale. Check out for unused stuff around the house in good condition. Duplicate gifts and such brand new items can be used as prizes for raffles etc. - Attend on 29th and buy stuff and participate in games etc. The proceeds help Sethu reach out to underprivileged children. - Give cash. Sethu is a registered trust. Cheers! Cecil -- SETHU - A BRIDGE TO HOPE AND UNDERSTANDING Dear Friends, Sethu works with children with disabilities, learning, emotional and behavior problems. We conduct training for parents and teachers to help them understand and deal with children better. In order to do our work in the best possible way and reach out to more children, we need the support of the community. Sethu is happy to announce the second SETHU SUNDAY - 2, a 'good as new' and food fair on 29th October 2006. The funds raised through this event will be used for vital audio visual and training equipment needed at the centre. This is an appeal for your support. We would be delighted if you could donate items for the sale, as well as attend the function with your family and friends on 29th October. Donations can include; toys, books, clothes, household and gift items, plants, foodstuff, etc. We look forward to your generous contributions as soon as possible. Please deliver items to Shalini at Sethu Centre, 1st Floor Fredrica Apartments, Caculo Colony, Miramar. Or if you prefer the items to be picked up, call Mike on 9822489023 (Panjim area) or Elvina on 9823405082 (Mapusa area). With regards and thanks from all of us at Sethu, Elvina Menezes Sneha Bhandare Dr. Ameeta Mascarenhas Dr. Nandita de Souza Anjali Barretto Yogita Joshi Anisha Dias Shalini Fernandes REMEMBER, YOU MAKE A LIVING BY WHAT YOU GET, BUT YOU MAKE A LIFE BY WHAT YOU GIVE .TOGETHER, LET'S STAND UP FOR GOA'S CHILDREN! Sethu Centre for Child Development & Family Guidance, 1st Floor, Fredrica Apts., Caculo Colony, Miramar, Goa - 403 001Phone : 6513749 == -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release Date: 10/19/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Postgraduate education and research in India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Correct analysis by Dr. Santosh for the state of research and higher education in India. The position of India in terms of scientific output (both in terms of number of publications, citations, and quality of work) has gone down considerably. Small countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, Israel have overtaken India in this regard. For instance, how many quality papers do we see from India appear in top journals such as Nature, Science, Cell, etc. Besides how many Nobel Laureats the great IITs, IIMs and IISCs have produced? U. Cal and MIT has a Nobel Laureat/s almost every year. IITS and IIMs are placed at 50s in 2006, as per the list of top universities published by the Times recently. Regards jeevan On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 Santosh Helekar wrote : >Sunith is right. India has excellent undergraduate >professional colleges such as the IITs, IIMs and some >engineering and medical colleges of top universities. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FW: Pedro Pokhol the hot shot(revised)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Pedro Pokhol of Panjim (a.k.a. Peter Pacheco ) had recently moved to the States. He was naturally trying to improve his status by impressing people in his new environment. Pedro used to brag regularly to his boss at work , "You know sir , I know everyone important there is to know in this world. Just name someone, I mean anyone and I know them." Tired of his boasting, his boss was determined to call his bluff, "OK, Pedro how about Tom Cruise?" "Sure, yes, Tom and I are old friends, and I can prove it." So Pedro and his boss fly out to Hollywood and knock on Tom Cruise's door, and sure enough, Tom Cruise shouts, " Pedro, Great to see you! You and your friend come right in and join me for lunch!" Although impressed, Pedro's boss was still skeptical. After they leave Cruise's house, he tells Pedro that he thinks his knowing Cruise was just lucky. "No, no, just name anyone else", Pedro says. "President Bush," his boss quickly retorts. "Yes," Pedro says, "I know him, let's fly out to Washington."And off they go. At the White House, Bush spots Pedro on the tour and motions him and his boss over, saying, "Peddyboy!!! , what a pleasant surprise, I was just on my way to a meeting in the West Wing, but you and your friend come on in to the Oval office and let's have a cup of coffee first and catch up." Well, Pedro's boss is much amazed by now, but still not totally convinced. After they leave the White House grounds, he expresses his doubts to Pedro about the completeness of his universal contacts. Thus Pokhol again invites the boss to name anyone else. "The Pope," his boss exclaims in a challenging tone. "Sure!" says Pedro. Soon Pedro and his boss are in Rome jostling through the hoi polloi assembled in Vatican Square. Then Pedro declares in frustration,"This will never work. I can't catch the Pope's eye and get his personal attention among all these masses. "Tell you what chief, I know all the Swiss guards, so just let me go upstairs and I'll come out on the balcony with the Pope. So he disappears into the crowd, headed toward the Vatican . Sure enough, half an hour later Pedro emerges with the Pope on the balcony. But by the time Pedro returns, he finds that there is a big commotion. Unfortunately his boss appears to have had a minor heart attack and is surrounded by paramedics. Working his way to his boss's side, Pedro bends over and asks him, "What happened, sir?" His boss looks up and says, " Pedro, I was doing fine until you and the Pope came out on the balcony and this white European looking stranger next to me said, " Who's that chap on the balcony with Pedro? Moral of the story - NEVER underestimate a Goan !!! _ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] IIT /Indian propagated myths about America
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details --- Sunith Velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...but then again we are well used to fake > experiments and random statistics on this forum. > Mario asks: > Hey, Sunith, Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of those misrepresenting the opinion of a certified physician on this forum recently? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Foreign Students Account for Nearly 80% of S&E Doctorates Awarded in America
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Sunith, I really do not have time for a p--ing contest with you on the facts and figures of Doctorates in Computer Science awarded to Indians in the US (atleast that's what the tone of your note below was like) - But for us IITians, our educated guesses and speculations are as good or better than painstaking research done by you non-engineers. Here is a research paper excerpt that shows that my rough, off-the-cuff guess as a Goan IITian was better than your painstaking, mis-interpreted Internet research and speculations. You should not make a public display of your ignorance of technical fields and embarass yourself on a public forum. Our discussion below and the percentages I quoted was restricted to the very highly skilled field of COMPUTER SCIENCE - instead you referred to aggregates of the relatively easier fields of computer/ electrical engineering which are typically dominated by white Americans because of the job opportunities available to them in the US Defense-related High-Tech industry or aggregates of Computer Science (highly skilled field dominated by Asians esp Indians) and Information Science (relatively much larger, lower skilled field dominated by White Americans) - There is a very big disconnect here. Do You Get it ? The selective 2003 data for an aggregate number of doctorates in all fields is way off the mark and off the focus of our discussion which was restricted only to COMPUTER SCIENCE. No data you quoted was exactly for Computer Science(which is dominated by Indians) instead the table which you have wrongly read had Computer Science lumped with Information Science. Foreign Students Account for Nearly 80% of Doctorates in Science and Engineering Awarded in America (Colloquially "Foreign" Students also comprise foreign-born US citizens or US citizens of foreign parentage; Chinese students are primarily members of the global Chinese diaspora). The field of Computer Science is dominated by Indians and Chinese, and because of their fluency in English and Mathematics Indians dominate it by a nearly 80-20 margin. REF: "The Contribution of Skilled Immigrants and Intenational Graduate Students To US Innovation" by G Chellaraj, KE Maskus and A. Mattoo (2005) "Relatively open access to international students has allowed U.S. universities to accept the brightest graduate students in science and engineering from all over the world. In turn, international graduate students contribute to innovation and patenting. Presumably, this is because international graduate students are relatively concentrated in such fields as science and engineering. Indeed, in a number of highly ranked engineering schools, international students account for nearly 80 percent of doctoral students, while in fields such as law they rank as low as one percent" "Further, because of work restrictions for international students, domestic students have greater opportunities to be employed in non-research activities in both university and non-university institutions. Hence, it is not surprising that the presence of international students along with skilled immigrants, including international faculty, exchange visitors, research fellows and post-doctoral research associates, is a significant factor behind sharp increases in innovation and patenting at universities." "Concluding Remarks: This study provides the first systematic econometric results about the contributions of foreign graduate students and skilled immigrants to U.S. innovation and technological change. While it may have become conventional wisdom in some circles that these personnel flows contributed extensively to learning in the United States, the idea had not been tested. Our results strongly favor the view that foreign graduate students and immigrants under technical visas are significant inputs into developing new technologies in the American economy. The impacts are particularly pronounced within the universities but spill over as well to non-university patenting.The significant contributions of international graduate students and skilled immigrants to patenting and innovations in the United States may have international and domestic policy implications. At the international level, it is evident that the United States has a significant direct comparative advantage in exporting the services of higher education, especially in training scientists, engineers, and related personnel. This situation
Re: [Goanet] the Oct 18 meeting of Goans in Toronto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details For Ema, Lynette and me, it was an absolute pleasure to be in the company of the Toronto Goans who met first at the Sutton Place Hotel and then at the Biriyani House on Wellesley on Wednesday Oct 18, 2006. The happy and very positive minded company included Ben Antao and his lovely wife Marinella, Silviano Barbosa, Roland Francis, Olinda Fernandes, Mervyn Lobo, Bosco D'Mello, Francis Rodrigues and his lovely wife Clara. It heartened us to note that these good people had gathered on a busy midweek evening to share their precious time with each other. As always, a personal meeting puts a face to the signature who sends those emails. It was good to see so many good people, some for the first time, and participate in a very happy occasion. It was meant to be a short dinner meeting to raise some funds for Goencho Ulo - it turned out to be a swell party which Nobody appeared to want to leave. To everyone's good fortune, the weather was excellent and the food was delightful. Missed Lisette & Kevin Saldanha et Carol & Nash Lobo. God Willing, there will be another occasion to meet again soon. I'd like to add our very sincere Thank You to all who made it, and to all who tried. A special Thank You too to Nash Lobo and in turn to Floriano Lobo for the favour done with such speed. Till another day with much love and thanks from Nassau jc _ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Outubrachi 21vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Vavr vorto vo supurlo zanv; bore baxen kor nam tor korichnaka. (Be the labor great or small; do it well or not at all.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: In search of Agabochke Part II - My type of meal
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Talking Photos: In search of Agabochke Part II - My type of meal Sorry, I completely forgot about this part II (until someone reminded me). Well, as I walked from KTC Panaji To Bambolim GMC( in search of the Flower Agabochke) and while I was looking for a pilot there to return back home, this lovely fried fish flavour (kailintle nusteacho vas gheun mhojea pottantli gantt pasun kuxin sorli) right into my sharp nose. I don't usually take day time meal but I could not resist as I new it was coming from a nearby local eating house (see pic) I immediately rushed in and ordered my meal with extra plate of fish. Although, I am not used to large steel 'Tali' plate, I still enjoyed it very much (with spoon and a fork which I asked for). I also saw many high class people there having their lunch. check this pics http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=274862034&size=o Sometimes, it is not just the money we look at but the type of meal (with fish etc). Moreover, most of the times, even if you pay 10 times the price elsewhere, one will still not get what he wants. And it happened to me all the times. FYI, if in Panjim, we usually visit Ritz classic for fish curry rice around Rs.50 only (with fresh King fish slice, veg, Tisrio, miskut etc) hot/soft drinks extra. This is not only cheap but fresh and quick service too. While on the main road (Agassaim- Panaji), we usually visit a local eating house behind Bambolim Cross/Church very popular for its fresh fish etc, beer/whisky etc also served. Monday closed I think. See part I here (agabochke) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/262067315/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A generous Goan
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would you please tell us what the members' > initiative on Goanet is and also about Mervyn's > "My Camp" Hi Roland, "My camp" was a spur of the moment attempt by me to raise funds for Goa Sudharop. The offer is now closed. I almost talked to you about it at Dr. Jose Colaco's place two days ago. My offer was not too popular on Goanet. There supposedly are 9,000 members on Goanet. I could have been used to make a USD $90,000.00 donation to Goa Sudharop but very few took me up on my offer. Thankfully you were one of those who replied. For each reply, I sent $10.00 to Goa Sudharop. Each and every person that replied to me also got a thank you note. Now that I have meet you and know how generous you are, I think we should get together some like minded people in Toronto and see how we can raise funds for Goan charities. Mervyn3.0 "Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness." - George Santayana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] POLICE BEGIN INQUIRY INTO ATTACK ON SGF MEETING
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details 1. First the elected representatives loot the public exchequer left right and center. 2. Then they pay handsomely to the punks who call themselves citzens of Goa who are on their payroll to fend for them. 3. When exposed, the elected representatives lose control at cabinet meetings in the hope that the cabinet collegues will be cowed down. I have personally congratulated Mr. Diwan Chand , the Vigilance Secretary at his Secretariat office, who investigated this Sonsodo Mega Scam pinning Joaquim Alemao. When asked if he is on the firing line (relieved) he said he didn't know and that it will not bother him. "If they want me to leave, I shall happily go" he said. This gave me the feeling that he was insinuating 'who will deal with this chor rascals?" I left not before telling him that we sensitive and upright Goans will stand by him and that he can bank on our support. To that he warmed up and gave me a pleasant smile. I also told him that the exit of Mrs. Dungra was not well taken by Goans in general. Floriano goasuraj. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] IIT /Indian propagated myths about America/response to Roland
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Dear ROland, You always manage to make me laugh, especially when we bring Carmo into the picture. Throw in his penchant for his kasti and we have not just a contest for first place in education but a pending patent for the thong. I was wondering where my strong response came from and I think it comes from the fact that my brother is American, having studied in a US college and is no lesser a person than any counterpart in India. Add to that my daughter is American, not to mention a handful of nieces and nephews. Which begs the bigger question, who are NRI Goans and where do our loyalties lie? Perhaps we've reached a point in our cultural evolution, where we have parallel identities and dual loyalties. Perhaps this is a good think for humankind, provided it doesn't lead to too much dysfunction. Take care, Selma -- --- Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In this regard you are as bad as our Carmo ; )) who > actually took my > question and turned it into evidence in support of > his own theory, as > Cornel so rightly pointed out. > > Regards, Roland. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] IITs Are The Best - Please Stop Your Sychophancy Towards Americans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Dear Mr Carmo, Sunnith has already provided you those stats, which amount to a mere 15% as opposed to your statistics of 80%. If we are to believe you, American colleges consist of just Indians and Chinese, (many of whom are Americans please note), while white Americans are busy serving them hamburgers at the campus cafeteria. Secondly, please read the article provided by Eddie. Here it is again, incase you missed it the first time. http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1056963 So there goes your assertion, that IITs are ranked no. 1. Unfortunately, they are ranked no.57, not 1, or 2 or 3 but 57. Also note, that one of the parameters for this ranking was their hiring eligibility. Ofcourse at the time, I contested IITs superiority over Harvard, I didn't have these facts before me but I knew them instinctively. Especially since the alumnus of IIT go around advocating death by crucifixion. Presumably those meeting their fate in this manner, all studied at Harvard. Selma --- CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Selma, > > Thanks for your message. Please find out how many of > the 900 doctorates in > Computer Science are awarded to Asians and How many > of those are awarded to > Indians. I am sure it must be close to 80% in both > cases. > > Best Regards, > > Dr. Carmo D'Cruz > Goan, IITian, > Indian Harbour Beach, Florida > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Photos of narkasur... etc
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details My Goan friend based in the US Rajan Parrikar (we actually start off with verbal dues and skirmishes in cyberspace!) has some great pictures of the narkasur festival from Goa. Check out http://www.parrikar.org/images/narkasur-1/index.html Rajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bis currently in Goa. He's a GEC (Goa Engineering College) alumni, and take a lot of interest in Indian music, a topic he's well versed about. He's also very deep into Usenet newsgroups. (Sometimes it's lonely on soc.culture.indian.goa -- because of the strict, moderated, news-only ontopic-only policy of that network. And also the fact that Usenet newsgroups are kind of old technology... not very popular nowadays! It's a kind of prehistoric animal, except that it's good to archive news and such posts. Sometimes.) -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ Free Software gives you the freedom to run, study, copy and improve software! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Timeline of events in India, including Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/indian.html > I found this fascinating and fairly detailed timeline of events in India from 1802 to the present, including appropriate references to Goa. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Left wing vs Right Wing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Frederick: As you know, Goanet' forum can frequently become the venue of an interminable pitched battle between liberalism and rightism. Among the combatants it's apparently perceived as a free-for-all, no-holds-barred melee between adversarial forces of free-thinking vs fundamentalism. Amusing and even informative and thought-provoking the conflicts can be. However at times , the overarching ennui and sense of futility engendered by the bitter obfuscatory arguments with no end in sight tend to vitiate Goanet's cyberspace. Despite the 'best efforts' catharsis of Goanet's moderators, such squabbles seem to degenerate into cantankerous exchanges. If not stemmed and reconciled amicably, one day the outlook could resemble a medieval shrieking witches' coven on Halloween Night. It's high time some of the warring correspondents learn to differentiate between debate and dog fight, adroitness and acrimony, elegance and egotism. Hence I yield to expressing in verse deep chagrin, perplexity and concern but optimistically also hope of ultimate reconciliation. Trouble could be brewing in Goanet's cyberspace ring Hostility is rife between antagonistic left and right wings The fractious environment is beset by undesirable baiting The oxygen of Goanet's erudite and social air depleting The contest spilling over is sadly good old Goa cheating Frustrating the noble objectives envisaged in creating This wonder cyberspace concept for Goa's well being It's Fabianism vs Capitalism, one another's guts tearing Each side vigorously vying to prove it's absolute king In logic, morals and knowledge, vicious head butting As each opponent indulges in criticism and mud slinging Carping that their foe in principle and reason is ailing Making the other side, sour wiseacres and ding-a-lings Not marching in step, in cacophony different tunes sing Going at each other flailing like prize fighters in a ring With a tempest in a teacup each flap has its beginning But next lo and behold a perfect storm is fast brewing And with intense intellectual food fights they've a fling Between them there's no love lost, only lack of feeling Goanet's moderators role is to promote the right thing using a commonsense approach and to virtue appealing Hence let's all cooperate with Goanet Admin's inspiring Behind all that bewildering welter causing perspiring Secretly the two hot sides may be one another admiring Envisage an end in sight with compromise in the offing Let's import Goa's revelry with feast, dance and singing With bonhomie shake hands exchanging friendship rings Seeing peace, understanding and serenity it will bring One day let's hope this rivalry has an Utopian ending Cheers Arnold _ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo005002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Misinformation regarding cancer/response to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Hi Cornel, Thank you for your kind words but I must say Mario's posts have no effect on me neither personally nor professionally. Unfortunately he will never grasp the difference between knowledge and wisdom because he has none of the former and laughably claims to possess the latter. This is obvious from his complete inability to answer a simple question which I will now repeat. 1. Can anyone quote the journal and article here Gilbert's ficticious mice experiment with its nonsensical conclusions was published ?? It really is disappointing to see an educated(?) adult behave in the childish manner that Mario sometimes does. Regards Sunith Velho Cornel writes: How utterly preposterous and disgraceful, on a community site for a poster to scornfully say to a young Indian intending overseas student that: "as a developing scholar who fancies himself to have a half-way decent command of English but still hasn't grasped the difference between knowledge and wisdom ...etc?" ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Toronto... and a "Hindu" Mass
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks to Maxwell Pereira and Fatima for sending > across this link: > http://www.cfnews.org/CF-HinduMass.htm Without wanting to get into yet another endless religious debate, I had remarked to Fernando Rego a couple of years ago, that Roman Catholic Mass that is said in Goa is the same that is said in Lisbon, Paris, Adelaide, Sydney, London, Melbourne, or for that matter in New York, apart from the language in which it is said. That is what the word "catholic" stands for - universal. If bishops in India want to "Indianise" the Church, then by all means form a Protestant church, but don't call it Catholic, especially not Roman Catholic. One might have a special ceremony to honour the Aborigines (or Hindus or Muslims for that matter), but as an aside from the main celebration, which must retain its universality. Having had my say, please do not feel offended if I do not reply to any comments made regarding my remarks above. Time may not be on my side. Cheers, Gabriel. Do you Yahoo!? Upgrade to Internet Explorer 7, optimised for Yahoo!7 http://au.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44716/*http://au.downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanetter Frederick Menezes... in an interview on technical writing
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Interview with Frederick Menezes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/technical_writers_india/files/TechCraft/ See TechCraft eNewsletter Volume 25_October 2006.pdf TechCraft - India's leading eNewsletter on Technical Writing (October 2006, Volume 25) Quote: "Right from my school days, I had a love for writing. During my college days, I was able to get some of my articles and poems published in Goan newspapers. During my MCA days, I started noticing advertisements for technical writers, particularly in Express Computer. Though I had no clear picture about what technical writing exactly was, somewhere in the back of my mind, I thought that I could be a teachnical writer. Given my love for writing and my ongoing computer software studies, technical writing in teh software field seemed to be a good match" "You need to have the right content, and this content is not at all easy to source. You need to get under the skin of the product and figure out how the product functions. There's also the challenge of instructional design. I have heard many people saying that instructional design is commonsense." -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FLOSS ... and a Goan researcher abroad
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Nice page (brief but informative) that I came across http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adesouza/ Andre is doing his second year of his PhD at Stern Finance. and he's talking about: * Perl scripts * ImageMagick's convert * Picasa * PDF output from his Gauss programs * A perl script he wrote "to automate the TEX-ing of output and the writing of it to a destination accessible to a browser, which has saved me so much work it's unbelievable." He writes: "I am a Goan from Goa. My home is in Nachinolá, but I spend a lot of time in Anjuna. No, I don't spend my time getting drunk (the two times I've gotten near-drunk, I was in New York), or doing anything unbecoming. Though of course, that depends on how you define unbecoming. My view of Goa is home. Take a look at some pictures." --FN PS: Andre, welcome to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa ... Goa's Free Software and Open Source network. Are you Britto's alumni? -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] IIT /Indian propagated myths about America
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Dear Sunith, Your observations on the subject were well written and the facts enlightening to us. About the students in Canada, I can endorse the same situation as prevailing in schools of higher learning in this country. What I say is anecdotal, gained from experience in two of my children currently studying in Universities themselves and the views of many other students with whom I have talked and asked opinions firsthand. Since it is subjective it may be with variance with the facts in some matters, but it is generally true. One problem I think, starts at the guidance stage itself. There are trained counsellors at school and university, but they are more focused in getting the student to be well adjusted to the system and not in career guidance per se. For example rather than taking the student in a career direction that suits temperament and talent, they talk about what is available to them. There are other resources for this and the counseller would well spend time in explaining what the outside world will look like if a certain path is taken, about which the student is not much aware of as this information is not available in any brochure. The Canadian education system after high school gives a choice for either University or Community College. Classically one was academic and resulted in a degree and the other, a certificate or diploma but the college system has evolved considerably in the past few years. They are cheaper, more hands-on, job oriented and in touch with industry and the corporate world. They have introduced programs for professional certifications where it is possible to get say a CMA (Certified Management Accountant) or a CFP (Certfied Financial Planner) which are recognized as much more advanced than mere degrees. Universities have realized that they are being left out of the job race and are now integrating some of their studies with those of these College programs. In fact some Universities have even allowed these colleges to integrate their courses with University degrees and maintain brick and mortar building within their campuses. At the professional level, there are restricted seats in the reputed institutions, so many brilliant Canadian students go to the US where the opportunities for enrollment are much more and so is funding via scholarships. After finishing their internships there, they return home as mostly their US studies are recognized here at that professional level. The Corporate and professional world is so far dominated by the Caucasians (read Anglo and Scottish ancestry) who zealously guard their turf and erect glass ceilings. However in the major cities university rolls are filling with second generation Canadian immigrants be they Chinese, Indian, or East European. This will undoubtedly change the demographic in the higher echelon of jobs in the next 10 years. These kids are not cleverer than the Caucasians. They just study harder, have a higher motivation to succeed and want to break the existing glass ceiling which they will, once the old boy school tie network crumbles with attrition. Mathematics (but not sciences) in Canada at the lower and early years of high school, levels are woefully backward, but that may be I think since the schools are too pre-occupied with getting them to think and logically figure and get their brains in a problem solving direction rather than get them to actually solve the problems. But this helps them cope with the sudden expectations of high mathematical standards that are required of them at the last years of high schools and in Universities. At that level they are undoubtedly on an average basis, superior to Indian students at the same level. Hope I have not been too boring in enunciating my thoughts on your question. By the way have you heard of Indra Nooyi a Madras University Alumni gettin the top job at Pepsi on the basis of her ability to determine strategy alone, without having any operational experience in the company? TIME says she is now the most powerful woman corporate figure in the world. Regards, Roland. On 10/18/06, Sunith Velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Selma and Roland, > > In all probability it is true that the students from Harvard and Yale failed > the IIT entrance exam. This does not reflect on their intelligence but just > on the extremely wide scope and high level of the IIT-JEE exam. My friends > who got into IIT started studying for the entrance ex
[Goanet] Press Note for kind favour of Publication
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details 20 October, 2006 To, The Administrator, GOANET. Sir, Subject : Press Note for kind favour of publication. The Goa Su-Raj Party congratulates the Secretary, Vigilance, Mr. Diwan Chand for his efforts in exposing the Sonsodo-Hyquip-Ministry of Urban Development multi-crore scam. The Party also acknowledges the efforts of the SAVE GOA FRONT to highlight the magnitude of the scam and the involvement of the Urban Development Minister Mr. Joaquim Alemao. The Party deplores the tactics employed by the Urban Development Minister to prevent the Save Goa Front from addressing the public meeting at White Hall, Cuncolim, even to the extent of inflicting bodily harm to the activists wanting to bring awareness to the people of Cuncolim of the connivance of the Urban Development Minister with the Cuncolim Industrial Estate units, releasing toxic pollutants within the Industrial Estate which has polluted most of the ground water of the area. The Party wishes Mr. Diwan Chand and the Save Goa Front convener Mr. Aires Rodrigues well and cautions the present government that any effort to sweep the dirt under the carpet to save the chair of the Urban Development Minister will have cascading effects on the government, especially on Congress Party in particular. The Party is hopeful that the police will carry out an independent and unbiased investigation into the White-Hall incidence and punishes the culprits appropriately. The Goa Su-Raj Party joins the Save Goa Front in demanding the resignation of the Urban Development Minister with immediate effect. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) General Secretary/Spokesperson Phone: 2266111, Mobile 9422060347 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Anglo India's Singers - for Alfred
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Tony Brent Hi Eric, Here's some info on Tony Brent which may interest you. He was born Reginald Britagne (pronounced Britayne) in Bombay in 1937 but later changed his name to Brent. Mother was part Irish and father part French. His parents encouraged him not to associate with or call himself an Anglo-Indian. He lived in Spence Lane, Byculla, with his family. He left India when his career took him to Australia and England in the early 50s and also had some hits in the US at around that time. He later settled in Australia where he opened an Indian Restaurant in Sydney. He released his last CD in 2000 called The Magic Of Tony Brent through Tower Records. Don't know if he is still alive, but you can email his daughter Karen Bretagne at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get any other information. Wickipedia has some pretty detailed personal info on our friends Englebert and Cliff Richard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(singer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Richard Cliff Richard's Anglo Indian ancestry is mentioned though he might have posed as being born to British parents in India. Reminds me of the several chuckles I intoned when I used to hear our Africander Goan boys call him Clf Richard when they came to Goa in the first repatriation waves of the 60s with their family's Ford Anglia's and Volkswagen Beetles. Didn't take their poor fathers too long to spend away their savings which they hoped would stretch a long way in Goa, then beating a hasty retreat to England to make it their permanent home. Though of course their version is that they didn't like the life in Goa. Can't blame them, though it is funny when taken in context of todays dirty Goa as compared to the beautiful Goa of the 60s, that these same repatriates/expatriates are now making Goa their final destination. Which may be fine after all as this time around they have the retirement money funded from their savings, pensions and possible sale of homes which have appreciated considerably in the past 10 years to more than last them their remaining lifetimes. I am talking of the older folk as their children have integrated too much in English, American, Canadian and Australian societies to follow the same path as their dads. Nota Bene my dear Africanders, these gratuitous comments are only observations made by a Bombayite, with malice towards none. On 10/19/06, eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We were proud of "our Tony Brent", my mother's very proud claim, and she > was there, up in the front rows, when he returned to perform at the Metro > Cinema in Bombay in the late 50's. I believe he had lived on Sankli Street > in Byculla. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: I wish our Dirty Ministers were...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Talking Photos: I wish our Dirty Ministers were... (see pic for rest of it) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/274775854/ AMCHE SUJ MONTRI '' ZAL'LE ZALEAR.. HANV TANCHEA POTTANT FOGETTI ANI GORNAL GALUN, LASUN TANCHO BHOSM KORTOLOM ASLOM '' Hem kitem tem zanna zaunk, polle hem chitr.. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=274775854&size=o [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Sethu Sunday?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Helene Derkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent me this note: "Hi there, Sethu is having another 'Sethu Sunday' which is an excellent opportunity for you to donate all unwanted items from your house and pick up some new ones! (this does not include spouses, pets or in-laws!! :) ) "Please have a sort out - any 'unwanted' or duplicate gifts we could do with for our raffle and for prizes for the activities. Household items are much appreciated as is anything 'good as new'. Once you have a bag or box sorted you can either drop it to Sethu, my place or one of the volunteers will come and collect it. Couldnt be simplier so spend 30 minutes over the weekend sorting out that cupboard that you've always been meaning to but got havent got around to and start donating!" A soft-copy of a poster she included said: "Sethu Sunday 2006 jumble sale. 29 October 2006. 9 am to 6 pm. Venue: 32 Defence Colony, Porvorim (terrace). To donate/volunteer, contact Shalini tel 651 3749. Sethu Centre, Caculo Colony, Miramar." Sethu is the child development and family guidance centre. One of the interesting but untold stories of our times in contemporary Goa is about citizens initiatives... which sometimes do work! -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ Free Software gives you the freedom to run, study, copy and improve software! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] An article by Goa's prominent Architect Sarto Almeida
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * House for Sale: Recently restored and renovated 350 sq. mtr Antique Type House on 1,125 sq mtr property in Coimavaddo, Aldona No brokerage offered. Serious buyers only Visit http://www.goa-world.com/goa/aldonahouse for details Article: Architecture of Goa : Seeking Vision and Identity -- the Current Scene Text by Sarto Almeida and Jaimini Mehta Abstract: Interestingly, this concept of , Goanness is still being evolved; we will 'know' what constitutes Goan architecture only when we see it expressed in temporal forms. A survey of architecture in the forty years since independence shows various strands of this search for expression; this essay, however, will examine not just the present architectural trends but also trends that began to reveal themselves in the last years of Portuguese rule. Keywords: Evolving Architecture, Goa, Overview, view all keywords + Coverage: Goa, India © the Author. in @ Az|Core: Category Research Abstracts and Texts (primary) 'With Goa, independence from centuries of Portuguese rule, and the subsequent political integration with India, have led to a curious dilemma: While Goa seeks to be part of the larger Indian polity, culturally our society has become more conscious of its Goan identity, and wants to preserve and express it. Like music and literature, architecture has sought to express this "Indian yet Goan" character. Interestingly, this concept of , Goanness is still being evolved; we will 'know' what constitutes Goan architecture only when we see it expressed in temporal forms. A survey of architecture in the forty years since independence shows various strands of this search for expression; this essay, however, will examine not just the present architectural trends but also trends that began to reveal themselves in the last years of Portuguese rule. In the past, Goa's identity was defined by its beautiful natural environment together with the prevalent Indo-Portuguese and vernacular styles of architecture. Since architecture mirrors local material culture, and there had been little change in that culture for centuries, Goan architecture remained relatively static until the 1960s. However, a few stray examples of a far different architectural style did crop up. The earliest, the Mandovi Hotel at Panaji, was built to cater to the influx of visitors expected to attend the Exposition of St. Francis Xavier in 1952. There being no architects in Goa then, the hotel brought them in from Bombay/the designed the Mandovi, our first multistoried building, in the Art Deco style then prevalent in that city. The Art Deco style may thus have been a necessary steppingstone to a more robust modernity. A truly modem building, the original airport terminal at Dabolim, came up in the mid-1950s when Benard Geddes was Goa's Governor. The word "modem" is used here to mean something more particular than "contemporary"; it means the new type of architecture that is contributing to the art of architecture. The designs were prepared in Portugal, as the project was under the Overseas Ministry. Making extensive use of large glass areas, wooden partitions, and hollow block external walls, it was one of the finest small airport buildings in the world. Unfortunately it is now off-limits to the public as it has been taken over by the Naval Air Wing. Simple plans, functional design ... The last few years of Portuguese rule, under Gen. Vassalo e Silva, saw quite a lot of construction undertaken by the government. The Governor, an engineer by profession, indeed several bright architects from Portugal and Goa into the Brigada; their simple and functional designs made use of the latest structural methods and materials. Examples of this were the oneroom village school, the Junta godowns at Cortalim ferry, the military barracks at Ponda, and the military chapel at Rawanfond, Margao. The prototype school, rectangular with a small verandah, used hollow-block walls, operable glass louvers, and a reinforced cement concrete roof; a mural of glazed blue decorative tiles flanked the entrance. The simple chapel plan featured a steeply sloping reinforced cement concrete roof slab over hollow-block walls with pre-cast grilles for light and ventilation. In the same period a plan for Old Goa included landscaping the area between the Se Cathedral and the Born Jesus church and installing a statue of the poet Luis de Camoes. Stating that the facade of Born Jesus was meant to be in exposed laterite, the engineers and architects had the existing plaster stripped off. Now we know that the plastering . helped
