Re: [Goanet] Lourdes Miracles
From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a scientist Santosh, you have written a particularly unscientific reply. In what was a Faith thread, all I said was that faith was worn as a badge of learning in your case and as a social statement badge by Kevin. I then went on to explain what faith meant to those of us who have it. Why should we let you atheists go unchallenged in debate? We have the right to express our viewpoint also. ***You are right, Roland. While deepening the issues, I am also learning from the so-called atheists and agnostics. Let them know also why we believe without being gullible... Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Broadband services in Goa
Hi, Just wanted to check who are the major broadband providers in Goa and what are their typical upload/download speeds and the rates ?. How long does it take to get a typical broadband connection in Goa and what is the procedure ?. Also, do we also have wireless broadband ? .What is the range ?. Is it available throughout Goa ?. This is more for the Corlim-Ilhas area near Old Goa. Thanks for your help, -Maria
[Goanet] Eduardo Faleiro's email id ?
Hi, Would anyone happen to know the email id for Eduardo Faleiro ?. Thanks, -Maria
[Goanet] Goan villages - activities
Could anyone help me in listing the activities which still take place in our villages and in which village. like for eg. boat making is still prominent in Betim.
Re: [Goanet] Lourdes Miracles
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. Any objective lay person who has watched a TV show or a movie involving a simple Forensic investigation would realize that the above conclusion is bogus. Even if one believes that some human flesh and blood were detected, the investigator would have to prove: a) that they are from the 8th century, b) that they indeed miraculously emerged from inanimate material, and c) that they belonged to the right person. If you read the original 1971 paper, as I have done, you will find out that none of these things were ever done. In fact, the tests used to detect blood would today be deemed unreliable. Even so, the so-called blood samples failed two of those tests, and the amount of calcium measured in those samples was found to be 28 times higher than its concentration in normal human blood under similar conditions. I have already explained the fallacy regarding type AB blood, and the well-known repeated scientific demonstrations that the Shroud of Turin is a 13th century artifact. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Daily Grook #199
DAILY GROOK #199 __ CURSED FIRST __ by Francis Rodrigues eve's hubby in fact made her repent, as the first insect he was adamant! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208
Re: [Goanet] Lourdes Miracles
From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why all this heated debate about 'miracles'? What are they worth anyway? ***People are running for healings and miracles precisely because they touch their daily lives. They are in need, they are worth anyway... There's this famous story about the Buddha. He watched a saintly chappie walk across the river and then commented, I can cross that river by paying a penny for the ferry. ***Life is not so easy. We have to pay for it. Suffering has its redemptive value. That's about the value of most 'miracles', they don't help anybody in particular, ***People are going for healings and miracles, when they are in despair... are believed in only by those predisposed to belief ***Belief system is a part and parcel of our human existence, we cannot do without belief. Even the rationalists and scientists do need a belief system. We cannot survive without belief. We who believe in miracles are not gullible, credulous people... Faith in God gives us certainty... and distract attention from more important matters in both spiritual and temporal realms. ***Precisely, extraordinary events (inner healing and miracles) are sought for the problems in both spiritual and temporal realms... They do not come always to our rescue. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] official language
It must be appreciated that CM has said that its time to settle the issue of Official Language once n for all. Well its true and needs to be addressed if at all the official language is to flourish. Lets not make it look like Hindus v/s Christian issue. Konkani in Roman Script is not dear to me but Konkani as Sole official language is. But please do not get misguided. For christians, and for that matter, every Goan, Konkani is the mother tongue. Thats y the Hindus in Goa are known as Konknnes not hindus, cause we are konkans. Somehow we christians have not got that label even though we are proud of it. We are Konknees first and then kristaum n hindus. Well i am not denying the fact that Marathi used to be language of the temples because of the relationship of the dominant maharashtrian influence on the hindu lifestlye, but it was not the language at homes. Even Christians used Latin for religious rites very long time back, but that dint mean latin would be our language. today the govt is funding migrant schools in urdu and kannada for the migrants. But Konkani is not even a subject in this schools. Is this the govt of Goans. Digamber is pumping 50 crores on urdu schools in margao. Our owls or old goverement schools are falling down in velsao n everywhere. Where is Konkani, forget even marathi. Parrikar dont push Marathi just because marathi is language of your schooling and prayer. konkanim is your mother tongue. The MGP still has notions of that Maharashtrian designs. Even after years they cant take the word Maharashtra of that party. The issue right now is not the script of the language. It s the issue about giving that status to Konkani as it really deserves. We should not fall prey to the fact that just because Roman script will be recognised, we should allow Marathi too, to be the official language of Goa. Konkani in Devnagri script is and shall be the official language of Goa. We christians have to accept this fact. I take great pride in opening the pages of Sunaprant on Goanews. Let us not allow marathi chauvinists to make merry by promising us the Roman script allibi. Christian MLAs should not fall prey to this googly. Lets resolve the issue as it is. Konkani in the Devnagri script is the Official Language of Goa. And important thing be that its used officially too in signages, compulsory for jobs and for all official matters. Marathi may be used along wiht status to Roman Script on par wiht Devanagri. But surely not Marathi on equal status. We too are goans and we dont speak marathi anywhere. Parrikar we are already under danger of being eliminated by this influx of migrants. Lets save our goem for ourselves. Dont get another maratha invasion on goa. Konkani amchi mai bhas tich amchi raj bhas. n thats in Roman Script. But i know to write in Devnagri also n proud to do so. Konknni bhasechea mogan Beny Pereira Dubai - UAE
[Goanet] 60 additional trains (Ganapati Special)
60 additional trains (Ganapati Special) These 60 trains Up Down are in additions to the daily ones. DADAR –MADGAO- DADAR 0105/0106 0035hrs/1510 Ex, Mad.1510/0500 Will run Ex. CST Margao on Aug. 29, 30, 31, Sept. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 14 With 17 coaches CST-Margao-CST (Unreserved) 0107/0108 dep.2355/1410 Runs on Aug.29, 31, Sept. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 12 Ex. Margao Aug.30 Sept 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11 13 Dep 1440/0420 This train will have 19 coaches Ahmedabad-Madgao-Ahmedabad0909/0910 1410/1330 Ex. Mad 1400/1335 Via Mumbai VasaiRoad, Panvel, Roha etc Will run on Aug. 30, Sept 1, 7 9 Ex. Mad Aug 31, Sept 2, 8 10 With 18 Coaches CST-Madgao-CST 0105A/0106A 2355/1410 And Ex. Mad 1440/0420 Runs on Aug 30 and Sept 1 Ex. Madgao Aug 31 Sept 2 Will have 21 coaches This train was only announced today 25th Aug (on it’s web site-Press Release today’s date) but all the sleeper tickets (about 900) are gone as wait list nos.show as 111 162 for 30th and 1st Sept respectively (ex-CSTM). How is this possible? Some Scam ? 30 trains could mean upto 45,000 people visiting Goa this coming festive season. All trains EX Mumbai are fully booked ( including the abv 30 additional ones) and wait list shows 300 per train. They have a Tatkal Scheme where one has to pay about Rs.150 per ticket and such quota per train is about 190 (Sleeper) but one can only booked it 5 days in advance but within 3 hrs on the very first day such tickets are gone too. Mumbai to Goa train fare is about Rs.300 (Sleeper). General could be around Rs.100. General coaches usually two per train with a capacity of 72 seats per coach but it carry about 200 per coach. Tickets in this case never runs out. There are at least 6 other daily trains from Mumbai bringing upto 9000 Pax per day Besides, there ae other trains coming from New Delhi, Chennai, Ahmedabad, Culcutta, Bangalore etc,, New train from Bihar to start soon for more details about the Mumbai-goa trains, pl visit http://www.konkanrailway.com/ Remember, one can book tickets online and you don't have to have a Credit Card for booking it can be also done via your Indian bank (internet banking a/c). book your tickets here http://www.indianrail.gov.in/ site may not work between 2300 - 0500hrs IST below ID* Customer relation Press seems to be a dummy ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Origin of words
edward desilva wrote: He is selective because they both belong to the photographic club and both are Porrikar supporters. There was no need for him to bring it up - IT JUST GIVES UNWANTED ATTENTION. JoeGoaUk Replies: So, you mean to say all the photographers on GN are ‘Ranvotti Zonvaram’? Also, if those supporting Porrikar are ‘Ranvotti Zonvaram’ then who are those supporting Congress or Digu – ‘Pixeamchim Sunnim’ (mad dogs)? How many times I must have also blamed Parrikar for Panjim Mess? Parrikar being the Panjim MLA besides opposition leader. Also, your post implies as if GN is only for Congress Supporters (?) Those who do not support Porrikar that means they are supporting Congress or Digu? GN approved the post that means GN too is Pro-Congress? There was a need to bring it up, keeping silent never helps. joeGoaUK is not a known person to anyone nor he intends to contest elections once unmasked so question of getting unwanted attention does not arise. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Ref: DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
What extra economics benefits will Goa get through Mopa, that we cannotget through Dabolim, if Dabolim airport is developed? Any takers ? Like thesaying goes do not take from the mouth of your children and offer it tooutsiders when the lives of your very own are at stake and that's preciselywhat's going to happen, the Mopa airport will benefit Maharashtra more than Goa,I am sure Maharashtra must be just waiting for the Mopa project to start and seehow fast the other side of the border will develop and reap the harvest fromwhat Goa will sow and at Goa's expense and South and central Goa will slowly dryup. Is that, what our Politicians want ? [Freddy Agnelo Fernandes] This may be an emotional and choral complaint. Let us look at the problem objectively. What is the propblem? Something about unequal competition from Maharashtra if Mopa gets underway. Goa's breadbasket is tourism so presumably that is what will get hit. The bellweather of Goa tourism is charter flights. Why shift charter flights to Mopa? Keep them at Dabolim. One problem solved? Then there are the famous/notorious attractions of North Goa beaches. Are these migrating to south Maharashtra? Maybe they attract a younger crowd. The charter tourists are mostly older types. So until the charter tourism demographics change and charter flights are allowed into Mopa there shouldnt be a problem of Maharshtra eating Goa's lunch. So the solution is smple. Do not make Mopa an international airport. Keep it a regional airport catering to small town airports emerging in surrounding areas and secondary airports of metros if any. It will play second fiddle to Dabolim and hopefully grow over time as the market expands due to economic growth and improved air connectivity.
[Goanet] New age flying
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 Asian airlines shed `flab' to cut fuel costs With every gram carried on board equating to fuel, airlines are taking a closer look at what's on board and making some inventive changes to cut their fuel costs. http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1650070 Hong Kong: Lighter lunches, less alcohol and even streamlined cutlery are on the menu on Asian airlines as they shed excess weight in scores of little ways in a bid to cut down escalating fuel costs. With every gram carried on board equating to fuel, airlines are taking a closer look at what's on board and making some inventive changes to cut their fuel costs - some which passengers may notice, others they won't. These include using lighter cutlery with in-flight meals, cutting down on the amount of wine, beer and water carried on board and even ditching heavyweight magazines in favour of more lightweight reading - literally. Japan's largest airliner Japan Airlines Corp (JAL) has shaved 2.5 kg per flight by introducing spoons and forks that are two gm lighter for its non-business class passengers. Its in-flight audio programmes have also been made a few pages thinner by squashing Japanese and English text side-by-side. However, the most weight being lifted is in the cargo section where JAL has introduced glass fibre containers to cut some 26 km per load. All Nippon Airways Co (ANA), meanwhile, have decided to stock its alcohol section with quarter bottles of wine instead of full bottles, but has assured passengers that this will not lead them to run out mid-route, insisting: we had loaded too much before. The company has also changed seats on domestic flight planes - introducing a lighter carbon fibre seat frame that reportedly will save the airline 40,000 litres per aircraft each year. For passengers it has brought welcomed widened legroom, according to a spokesman, although the downside is reduced cushion in their seats. Other airlines are taking more short-term measures. Singapore Airlines has already introduced lightweight carts and service-ware for meals on board its new A380, the world's largest passenger jet - a move which will eventually be extended to other aircraft. We're also eliminating heavy magazines and opting for lightweight reading instead, said a spokesperson, although he declined to reveal the publications that would be scrapped. Thai Aiways International (THAI) is seeking to reduce its weight load by skimping on fuel reserves, a policy that might cause some jitters among passengers although the airline insists the policy is in keeping with European safety standards. The national carrier is aiming to halve its contingency fuel reserves as part of its weight-loss measures. One THAI executive said such a move on the Bangkok-London route, for instance, would mean shedding about two tonnes in weight - amounting to a fuel reduction that would save $800. In the Philippines, airlines have taken less innovative measures to cut weight. Flagship carrier Philippine Airlines has already limited free checked in baggage to 23 kg on its North American service, while domestic carrier Air Philippines has cut its daily service from Manila to three southern cities. Others are looking to more expensive, long-term methods such as replacing their fuel guzzling aircraft with more fuel-efficient aircraft. The same move is being employed by Hong Kong's flagship airline Cathay Pacific, which sees fuel-efficient aircraft and route management as the key to saving fuel. **But the prize for the most innovative weight watching has to go to India's Kingfisher, which has admitted saving pennies on their fuel bill by reducing the amount of washroom water carried on board. They are encouraging passengers not to spend a penny (visit the washroom). Our planes are flying with half or less than half-filled water tank as it lightens the load and reduces fuel consumption. And we are not the only airline doing this, a Kingfisher airline senior official told the Daily Telegraph. With experts claiming that every flush at 30,000 feet saves enough fuel to power a car for 10 km, this move is not as silly as you would first think.** As the well-worn adage goes: Every little bit helps. All this is fine. But who will tell the Indian government to make the really big changes like straightening out circuitous air routes (which presently try to avoid the plethora of military bases) and reducing congestion at airports (especially civil enclaves like Dabolim which have to enforce onerous slot restrictions). Until then we would be Kingfisher-style penny wise and pound (currency as well as weight) foolish.
Re: [Goanet] official language
Benny-bab, Tum mhonnta, The issue right now is not the script of the language. It s the issue about giving that status to Konkani as it really deserves. Oxem zalear, fuddem vochun tujean Konkani in Devnagri script is and shall be the official language of Goa oxem koxem mhonnum ieta? Sod'deak Konkani in Devnagri script is the official language of Goa asa hem hanv mandun ghetam. If the issue right now is not that of the script, but about giving the status to Konkani as it really deserves, then why we must say that Konkani in Devnagari script shall be the official language of Goa? Tum oxem mhonnta tedna tum Romi lipicher onit korta oxem tuka disona? Mhojea motan, Konknni in Devnagri script is the official language of Goa oxem mhonntat tantuntlem in Devnagari him don utram asat tim Rajbhas Kaideantlim kaddun uddounk zai. Toxem kelear, konnakuch dukoinastana it will be a very good way of giving the status to Konkani as it really deserves. And for your kind information, no language has its natural script, and moreover Devnagari is not the natural script of Konknni. Borem magun, Jose Salvador Fernandes On 8/26/08, Beny Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It must be appreciated that CM has said that its time to settle the issue of Official Language once n for all. Well its true and needs to be addressed if at all the official language is to flourish. Lets not make it look like Hindus v/s Christian issue. Konkani in Roman Script is not dear to me but Konkani as Sole official language is. But please do not get misguided. For christians, and for that matter, every Goan, Konkani is the mother tongue. Thats y the Hindus in Goa are known as Konknnes not hindus, cause we are konkans. Somehow we christians have not got that label even though we are proud of it. We are Konknees first and then kristaum n hindus. Well i am not denying the fact that Marathi used to be language of the temples because of the relationship of the dominant maharashtrian influence on the hindu lifestlye, but it was not the language at homes. Even Christians used Latin for religious rites very long time back, but that dint mean latin would be our language. today the govt is funding migrant schools in urdu and kannada for the migrants. But Konkani is not even a subject in this schools. Is this the govt of Goans. Digamber is pumping 50 crores on urdu schools in margao. Our owls or old goverement schools are falling down in velsao n everywhere. Where is Konkani, forget even marathi. Parrikar dont push Marathi just because marathi is language of your schooling and prayer. konkanim is your mother tongue. The MGP still has notions of that Maharashtrian designs. Even after years they cant take the word Maharashtra of that party. The issue right now is not the script of the language. It s the issue about giving that status to Konkani as it really deserves. We should not fall prey to the fact that just because Roman script will be recognised, we should allow Marathi too, to be the official language of Goa. Konkani in Devnagri script is and shall be the official language of Goa. We christians have to accept this fact. I take great pride in opening the pages of Sunaprant on Goanews. Let us not allow marathi chauvinists to make merry by promising us the Roman script allibi. Christian MLAs should not fall prey to this googly. Lets resolve the issue as it is. Konkani in the Devnagri script is the Official Language of Goa. And important thing be that its used officially too in signages, compulsory for jobs and for all official matters. Marathi may be used along wiht status to Roman Script on par wiht Devanagri. But surely not Marathi on equal status. We too are goans and we dont speak marathi anywhere. Parrikar we are already under danger of being eliminated by this influx of migrants. Lets save our goem for ourselves. Dont get another maratha invasion on goa. Konkani amchi mai bhas tich amchi raj bhas. n thats in Roman Script. But i know to write in Devnagri also n proud to do so. Konknni bhasechea mogan Beny Pereira Dubai - UAE
Re: [Goanet] Lourdes miracles
Using a selectively mutilated quote of what I (jc) had written i.e. [Check a: If s/he has the requisite knowledge of the field of medicine in which the miracle is said to have occurred. b: S/he has personally reviewed all the original details of the case. c: S/he is able to say with confidence that there is NO other explanation for the 'cure'.] Fr Ivo said: JC has not paid attention to all these three points presented in the postings. All these three conditions have been fulfilled by the Medical Bureau of Lourdes. Dear Fr. Ivo, Please do not miraculously or otherwise, change my wine into water or my words into 'almost my words'. I had suggested that the criteria be fulfilled by anyone who wishes to counteract Santosh's position. The Medical Bureau of Lourdes has not counteracted Santosh's position. You have. It is therefore YOUR responsibility to fulfill those conditions. I understand that English is indeed a difficult language. Please take your time before responding. And IF you plan to respond, please do not respond to a point which has not been made. Only politicians are 'allowed' to do that. sincerely jc For Information: This is what jc had written: In conclusion, I'd say this: The avenue open to anyone who wishes to counteract Santosh's position is the following: Advise us that he/she a: has the requisite knowledge of the field of medicine in which the miracle is said to have occured b: has personally reviwed all the original details of the case. c: is able to say with confidence that there is NO other explanation for the 'cure'.
Re: [Goanet] Lourdes Miracles
From: Cip Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rev. Fr. Ivo C. da Souza, How can you convince a colour blind person that colours exist? ***I do agree with you. I had a lot of discussions with people of other faiths ( or no-faith) and denominations. Sometimes it is quite enriching, when there is openness. When it is already closed mind to the supernatural, even scientific evidence will not convince. Intellectual probity is necessary. Scientific myopia will close the eyes and not allow to see the colours because the person is totally blind... Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Eduardo Faleiro's email id ?
Try Eduardo Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED], FN 2008/8/26 Maria Josefa D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Would anyone happen to know the email id for Eduardo Faleiro ?. Thanks, -Maria -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org My mobile number is again 9822 122436 Other numbers: res +91-832-2409490 or try +91-9970157402
Re: [Goanet] Books from Goa
Hi Rico, Any idea where I will find a copy of the Revolt of 1757 popularly known as Pinto revolt? It's by former Director of Xavier Centre. Tried Singbal's, Broadway, Xavier Centre,Confidant Mragao. Thanks in advance Richard Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd find 123+ covers of recent books from Goa here. Please visit and sign-up on this site: http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17820520694 Rgds, FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org My mobile number is again 9822 122436 [98+22=120, ten dozen. 12, 24, 36 one, two and three dozen!] Other numbers: res +91-832-2409490 or maybe +91-9970157402
[Goanet] Konkani groups... in cyberspace
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkaniforum/ 286 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkani-heritage/ 159 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/ 3141 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MangaloreanCatholics/ 1746 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KonkaniJobs/ 1227 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KonkaniCatholics/ 827 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkani-net/ 145 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkani_sabha/ 111 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KONKANI_GROUP/ 87 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkanis/ 41 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkaniworld/ 36 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KonkaniSabha/ 34 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkani-opinions/ 32 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konkan_sabha/ 29 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goinkars_own_academy/ 28 members * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romintkonkani/ 25 members http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/gom#Script_Issues -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org My mobile number is again 9822 122436 Other numbers: res +91-832-2409490 or try +91-9970157402
[Goanet] Unruly Brits unwelcome in Europe Resorts - New York Times
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/world/europe/24crete.html?_r=2oref=loginref=todayspaperpagewanted=alloref=slogin - Some Britons Too Unruly for Resorts in Europe By SARAH LYALL Published: August 23, 2008 MALIA, Greece — Even in a sea of tourists, it is easy to spot the Britons here on the northeast coast of Crete, and not just from the telltale pallor of their sun-deprived northern skin. They are the ones, the locals say, who are carousing, brawling and getting violently sick. They are the ones crowding into health clinics seeking morning-after pills and help for sexually transmitted diseases. They are the ones who seem to have one vacation plan: drinking themselves into oblivion. They scream, they sing, they fall down, they take their clothes off, they cross-dress, they vomit, Malia's mayor, Konstantinos Lagoudakis, said in an interview. It is only the British people — not the Germans or the French. Malia is the latest and currently most notorious in a long list of European resorts full of young British tourists on packaged tours offering cheap alcohol and a license to behave badly. In Magaluf and Ibiza, Spain; in Ayia Napa, Cyprus; and in the Greek resorts of Faliraki, Kavos and Laganas as well as Malia, the story is the same: They come, they drink, they wreak havoc. The government of Britain has to do something, Mr. Lagoudakis said. These people are giving a bad name to their country. They are also hurting themselves in the process. A recent report published by the British Foreign Office, British Behavior Abroad, noted that in a 12-month period in 2006 and 2007, 602 Britons were hospitalized and 28 raped in Greece, and that 1,591 died in Spain and 2,032 were arrested there. The report did not distinguish between medical cases and arrests associated with drunkenness and those that had nothing to do with it. But it did say that many arrests are due to behavior caused by excessive drinking. So it would seem. Reports of scandalous incidents rumble on regularly here and elsewhere, helping to cement Britain's reputation as the largest exporter of inebriated hooligans in Europe. Earlier this summer, flying home to Manchester from the Greek island of Kos, a pair of drunken women yelling I need some fresh air attacked the flight attendants with a vodka bottle and tried to wrestle the airplane's emergency door open at 30,000 feet. The plane diverted hastily to Frankfurt, and the women were arrested. In Laganas, on the Greek island of Zakinthos, where a teenager from Sheffield died after a drinking binge this summer, more than a dozen British women were charged in July with prostitution after taking part, the authorities said, in an alfresco oral sex contest. More alarmingly, a 20-year-old British tourist partied with her sister and a friend into the early hours in Malia also in July, then returned to her hotel room and — although she had denied being pregnant — gave birth. Her companions say they returned later to find the baby dead; she has been charged with infanticide. And in Dubai, also this summer, a British man and woman who met during a drinking bout were arrested and charged with having sex on a beach, after repeatedly shouting abuse at a police officer who ordered them to stop. All of which leads to a natural question: Why? I think that in their country, they are like prisoners and they want to feel free, said Niki Pirovolaki, who works in a bakery on Malia's main street and often encounters addled Britons heading back to their hotels — if they can remember where they are staying, she said. David Familton, a Briton who works in a club here, said that it was a question of emotional comfort. It's because of British culture — no one can relax, so they become inebriated to be the people they want to be, he said. Worried about the increase in crimes and accidents afflicting drunken tourists, the British consulate in Athens has begun several campaigns, using posters, beach balls and coasters with snappy slogans, to encourage young visitors to drink responsibly. When things do go wrong, they go wrong in quite a big way, said Alison Beckett, the director of consular services. What we're trying to do here is reduce some of these avoidable accidents where they have so much to drink that they fall off balconies and are either killed or need huge operations. As much as they depend on the tourists' money, the resorts are balking at their behavior. Last year, shopkeepers, residents and hotel owners in Malia held an angry anti-British demonstration. Now, 20 officers patrol the notorious 1,000-foot-long strip of bars and clubs catering to tourists in the center of town, keeping the peace, breaking up fights and making arrests. Local officials say the blame lies not just with the tourists themselves, but also with the operators of package tours promising drinking-and-partying vacations, and clubs offering industrial-strength alcohol at rock-bottom prices. For about $50 in Malia,
[Goanet] Bomb Makers Of Hindutva
Bomb Makers Of Hindutva Die In Explosion By Subhash Gatade 25 August, 2008 Countercurrents.org Two bajarangdal leaders were killed while 2 others injured on 24 August when they were making bombs in Kanpur in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (UP) as reported by Urdu daily Rashtriya Sahara in its front page. According to Sahara, the blast was so strong that the wall of the room in which the blast occurred collapsed. In other rooms, the walls were damaged. Pieces of glass were strewn everywhere. The bomb blasted in a house in Rajeev Nagar area on Sunday afternoon. According to the report, the police recovered 3 kg lead oxide, 500 g red lead, 1 kg potassium nitrate, 11 country made grenades, several bomb pins, seven timers and batteries from the spot. According to the IG, The recovery shows that a massive explosion was on the cards. The deceased have been identified as Rajeev Mishra and Bhupinder Singh. While Rajeev is the son of S S Mishra, the landlord of the house, Bhupinder was a resident of Shastri Nagar. Mishra, a retired Kanpur Electric Supply Company employee, lives in the nearby Nankari village. He had rented a few rooms of his house to several students. Rajeev's occupied the room in which the blast took place. As he works in Lucknow, he used to visit the place on Sundays. According to the police, while Bhupinder died on the spot, Rajeev died on his way to hospital. According to a senior police officer, the material found could have been used for several explosions. Of the seven timers recovered, two were attached with batteries with the help of wires. The country made hand grenades recovered were similar to those used by the defence forces. The Urdu daily claimed that Bhupinder singh was a Bajarangdal leader, according to the National convenor of Bajarangdal, Bhupinder Singh was Ex convenor of Bajarangdal but now he was working as activist. It is reported that Piyush, who used to work as a complaint officer in a mobile company in Lucknow, came home with Bhupinder and asked the residents of the hostel to vacate the rooms on the pretext of checking the electric wiring. Shiv Sharan Mishra, Rajiv's father, a retired employee of Kesko had built this private hostel, which had nine rooms and 14 students stayed in the hostel and Rajiv had kept one room for himself. As soon as the occupants left the hostel, a massive blast took place. Recovery of a timer device and prohibited explosive raw materials show that a major terror plot was being hatched there. Bhupinder used to run a photo studio in the Sarvoday Nagar locality of Kanpur and his shop was close to the city's popular J.K. temple, police said. According to the police the explosives were meant to be spread during Sunday's celebrations. On monday police recovered some crude hand grenades, lead oxide, red lead, potassium nitrate, bomb pins, timers and batterires from the spot. The police felt that the quantity of explosives stored there was enough to destroy half of Kanpur. The most notable fact about the perpetrators of this conspiracy, who died during this explosion, is that both of them belonged to Bajrang Dal, the 'storm troopper' wing of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). The leaders of the Bajrang Dal have conceded that they 'worked with the organisation' some time back and one of them happened to be the convenor of the city wing. Looking at the nature of the crime, and the fact that a major tragedy could be averted, it is expected that the state government with necessary help from the central government would try to unearth the real conspirators who were behind the plan. It is a positive sign that the police have recovered mobiles of both of them and now if they wish they can take the case to its logical end. After the blast in Bangalore and Ahmedabad, all fingers were pointed towards Muslims. Intelligence along with Media would hide all reports and facts that would point fingers towards the non Muslim communities.Now this explosion may point the finger the other day. Senior congress leader Dig Vijay Singh had said in an interview with Tehelka that he had evidence of Of RSS and VHP making bombs. Now, this explosion may prove that Dig Vijay may be right. Also Read I Have Evidence Of RSS And VHP Making Bombs:Digvijay Singh By Neha Dixit Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh attacks the BJP just like Sushma Swaraj attacked the Congress. 'Investigate the timings of the blasts', he tells Neha Dixit http://www.countercurrents.org/gatade250808.htm -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] re Goanet: Origin of words
a reply sent on 20/8/08 Please name such dogs please and please do it on goanet. I may have missed them. I may be a retired man but that does not mean I have all the time and interest to read each and every post from the Goanet (In your case, it was your cunning subject line which caught my attention) Do not write to me again, write it on goanet instead - its free for all. --- On Tue, 19/8/08, cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Origin of words To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008, 11:28 PM It surprises me that Joa Goa UK's heart does not skip a beat when several dogs raise their leg against several others on this forum... why 7 days...take a permanent holiday off ...you will not be missed its time we expose these mischief mongers on Goanet and who are trying to destabilise the progress of Goa through coloured lenses all for cheap booze and an expenses paid Goan holiday... cedric da costa Dubai Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] GOA: Lawyer's bid to clean Augean stable -Comments
- Original Message - From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA: Lawyer's bid to clean Augean stable To Goanet - First of all, kudos to Sudha. This begs a few questions - 1) Was this major scandal published in any of the local dailies? If not, why not? 2) What are all the activists going to do now? These are grounds for an all-Goa agitation to demand resignation of the 2 ministers and force a criminal inquiry. Are the activists up to it? 3) Shouldn't we be calling for a moratorium on all construction in Goa until a thorough investigation is launched and the impact of the land conversion scandals, building violations, environmental damage etc is assessed? For this is an endemic and NOT an isolated instance. r Lawyer's bid to clean Augean stable Devika Sequeira in Panaji devikasequeira at gmail.com Deccan Herald, August 24, 2008 Sunday Features Pai Kir's complaint against the judge and the High Court's enquiry has also brought to light the shocking complicity of the judge, a group of lawyers and two ministers in the Goa Government in transacting an illegal land deal. Exasperated by the level of corruption in the rural court where she practised, lawyer Sudha Pai Kir moved her practice from Canacona, South Goa to the High Court in Panaji. Almost two years on, the gritty 33-year-old has much to celebrate. Her persistence to see justice done has brought on the dismissal of a judge. In June this year, Chief Justice Swatantra Kumar of the Bombay High Court sacked Judge Shekhar V Parab, who was posted at Canacona, for gross impropriety. Pai Kir's complaint against the judge for harassment which compelled her to withdraw her practice in Canacona and the High Court's enquiry has also brought to light the shocking complicity of the judge, a group of lawyers and two ministers of the Goa Government in transacting an illegal land deal. Ministers Vishwajeet Rane and Babush Monserrate were present with Judge Parab in a five star hotel where some of the illiterate owners were forced to hand over their property in Loliem, Canacona to a Delhi hotel group, the enquiry revealed. The High Court's enquiry against Parab said: During the course of discreet enquiry conducted by V G Bisht, Registrar, High Court, Appellate Side, Bombay, on the instructions of the Chief Justice, it transpired that the son of an ex-chief minister of Goa was interested in the property involved in RCS No 36/2002 and Parab had taken keen interest in the settlement of the said suit for extraneous considerations. It also transpired during the course of the discreet enquiry, that Parab was present in the Hotel Intercontinental also known as Diksha Hotel with Vishwajeet Rane, son of Pratapsingh Rane, ex-chief minister of Goa, the sub-registrar and his clerk and others at the time of execution of the sale deed of the land forming the subject matter of RCS No 36/2002. One of the co-owners of the property Vishnu Chandru Gaonkar told the enquiry officer that he was forcibly made to put his signature on the sale deed executed in the five star hotel in the presence of the dismissed judge, Rane, Monserrate, former MLA Isidore Fernandes and lawyers Vijay Gaykar and Narayan M Dessai. Thereafter, crores of rupees were distributed by the non-Goan party, ie the purchaser to all others who were present in the said hotel. Three other co-owners of the property told the enquiry that they were also forced to sign the sale deed in the presence of Judge Parab. A subsequent criminal enquiry has been ordered by the courts here in the same land deal against lawyer Narayan Dessai and eight of his clients for forging the thumb impression of one of the co-owners, who had expired. Like most pristine seaside taluks in Goa, Canacona has become the focus of greedy land sharks and in danger of institutionalising a network of corruption, warns Pai Kir. This case is only a start in cleaning up the system. Immediate measures are needed to set things right in Canacona, she says. COMMENTS: If anyone should ask me 'what next?' I would want to say that the newly floated CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE is the right forum to head Goa's chorus against the above political culprits (and most others) having being red-handed caught with their pants down, so to speak. This is the GOD GIVEN 'GOLDEN' chance for Goa and Goans to start burrying the first spade into the political dirty which has accumulated in Goa since 1961, towards the POLITICAL CLEANSING. This cannot and will not be achieved unless the so called 'good' persons come out and show their willingness to participate in electoral politics, on a written down program, so that very good intentions exhibited in the initial stages do not take a walk around later , like we have seen happening most of the time. Declare what needs to be done and then go ahead doing just that . a suggested example
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader -- Diverse roots, varied challenges -- the Goan diaspora in the UK (Dr Eddie D'Sa, in Goa Aparanta...)
2008/8/25 Goanet Reader [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DIVERSE ROOTS, VARIED CHALLENGES: THE GOAN DIASPORA IN THE U.K. This essay is from the book 'Goa: Aparanta -- Land Beyond the End', edited by Victor Rangel Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED], and reflects Dr Eddie D'Sa's analysis of Goans in Britain, and how their attitudes towards Goa have changed generation by generation. In Britain, Feeling a Weaker Pull (pages 210-12) is a very wise bit of writing, commented the editor of this book. By Eddie D'Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Between 15,000 and 20,000 Goans are concentrated in the greater London area, with a few thousand more in Leicester, RESPONSE: There are a some misconceptions in the above post, which need correcting. I seriously doubt, if there are more than a thousand Resident Goans in Leicester - a few hundred perhaps. Swindon has thousands, mostly through holding Portuguese Passports. The Goan Association In the U.K. was formed in 1965 with 17 Goans signing a letter of intent at one of the rooms at Caxton Hall, Westminster. The G.O.A. U.K. entered into a contract to purchase Property (Flat) in Ilford, which cost £325,000; this was a buy to let investment. This particular segment was fallen out of bed, although the rental income is guaranteed for the first year. By next year the Association shall, no doubt, subsidize the tenant. Also the property is probably worth just over £200,000 at current market rates. It would be fair to state that the Goan Association has been through many trials and tribulations. Many of the problems were deliberately engineered by persons who had an axe to grind, because they were sidelined, or those who made their Annual appearance at the A.G.M's and wanted to do the 'dance of the Peacock' Having been castigated, the major portion of our Board resigned. One would have thought that the membership wanted this and would have been happy! On the contrary they begged us to stay on. I left the keys to the existing Board member and walked out. The spoilers got their way, we do not have a Club House/grounds and all we can do is arrange dances. Many Goans met their partners because of the Club. Now parents are complaining that their daughters are being left high and dry. The boys are okay they have no biological clock ticking issues. Now the Association is running property, instead of a Club House; our previous Bankers had written, explicitly to inform us, that we were not in business of running property. I wrote to the Board of Directors w.r.t this, I was ignored and did not even get an acknowledgement. We have issues which several think tanks, forums, brain storming sessions and pleas to membership for resolutions, all failed miserably. It seems to be that the Association and the Village organisations are quite content with their lot. Bye bye the Goan identity, we shall go before the Welsh and the Scots. By 2025 people will be asking who are Goans! Lastly, I don't know how the Saligao Association is run; to my knowledge most other Villages, do put on the table every year, the achievements and the dispersal of funds generated at the Socials...the beneficiaries being their respective Village in Goa. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Back after 7 days and 7 nights..
Hi, Oh Yes! There was a BIG change, there was one less person constantly scrutinising (sorry for the big words - all the time and wanting to find fault with) the moderators. He says he does not read all the mail. Well! I had missed it till he pointed out by repeating (again and again) the foul (sorry again - the bad words) mail all over again on Goanet - was it necessary to repeat that mail? Yess! (according to JG) to pick on the moderators for one slip in 6 months or a year? ED. JoeGoaUk wrte: Yes, back on GN after 7 days of self imposed exile in protest against? GN for not going by it?s ground rules... -- JoeGoaUk, Nothing has changed. Its no use gong on a hunger strike?if it is not going to make a change. Mervyn3.0 -- Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Quiz 4
Next SEQC Quiz on Aug 31 -- Goa's very own Sunday Evening Quiz Club (or SEQC for short) continues its curious capers with the fourth edition of its monthly quizzes. Initiated by Rajiv D'Silva and Harshvardhan Bhatkuly, whose organisation Quizco has been giving school and college students in the state something to think about for a while now, SEQC meets on the first Sunday of each month. It's done so twice so far, and the fourth session is planned for August 31. Details are given below, and anyone interested is welcome to land up. For more details, check out the SEQC blog at http://seqc.blogspot.com/ Aniruddha Sen Gupta Porvorim, Goa --- Barring any major natural disasters or terrorist attacks, the next meeting of the SEQC will take place this weekend. This one has all the makings of a LONG one, so please get there on time. Date: 31st August 2008 Time: 5.00 pm. (The quiz will start at 5.30 sharp, allowing for 30 mins to form teams and engage in idle conversation) QM: Rajiv D'Silva Flavour: General Venue: Rajiv Tallulah's place - 4T4, Dukle Residency, St. Inez - Panaji How to get there: If you're driving from the Panaji side, come to the high-mast lamp in front of Madhuban Building, and take the right fork at the Y-junction. About 500 mts. after the junction, just at the s-turn, is a beige-ish building on the left-hand side called Dukle Residency. Come up the 4th staircase to the third floor. If you're not the first to arrive, you'll probably hear some raucous laughing. That means the 'idle conversation' part is underway. Alternatively, ask for where 'Branco Restaurant' is - its a minor landmark in the area. Dukle Residency is bang opposite it. If you're driving from the Taleigao side, take 'Jennifer Monserrate Road' - the new road the connects Taleigao Church to St.Inez - and the building is the first one on the right hand side after the fields stop. Here's a wikimapia link as well. If you still manage to get lost, call Rajiv on 9890141715.
Re: [Goanet] Inflation soars to TWENTY SEVEN year high
Mervyn wrote: [I am glad that you have identified your problem. Please take steps to stop its progress as I am not interested in seeing you embarrassing yourself further.] Mario responded: It is high time you identified your problem, Mervyn, because everyone else has:-)) Edward da Silva replied: Dont drag me into this saying, everyone.I'm on Mervyn's side. jc's comments: I believe that you guys fail to really comprehend Mario's Amrikan English (AE), which is the bestest of the best. For when 1: AE sez 'vitoria', it means borrenshem purrada podlem. 2: AE sez 'global cooling', it means saiba bhogoss, Uzo petlo. 3: AE sez World Championship, it means local tournament. 4: AE sez 'a city in the far east', it means New Jersey. 5: AE sez everyone, it means at least one. Though Mario isn't very sure about much these days - So he places the proverbial :-)) at the end. jc
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Philip Thomas wrote: So the solution is smple. Do not make Mopa an international airport. Keep it a regional airport catering to small town airports emerging in surrounding areas and secondary airports of metros if any. It will play second fiddle to Dabolim and hopefully grow over time as the market expands due to economic growth and improved air connectivity. Comment: I am very clear in my mind on certain issues- 1.a decision of this magnitude not made on studies of financial viability is per se a bad decision. 2.It is logical that only one airport can sustain economically and that will be the new airport because all traffic will be diverted there to enable the airport to break even and make profits for its entrepreneurs. 3. recent history is a guide that wherever new airports have come up, the old ones have closed down. 4.airports set up not on principes of need but vested interests will never be a popular decision. 5.the infrastructure for setting up the new airport is going to result in further denuding the green forest areas, displacement of people, land grab, concretisation and sundry other social ills. For the GBA, GPA, etc. this is going to become a full time occupation. 6. I am not convinced why the government could not intensify its efforts to move the navy to Karwar and upgrade the Dabolim airlort which would cost much less. regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Konkani workshop
From: Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: S M Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1044 The workshop will be conducted by Dr. Jayanti Naik and Dr. Kiran Budkuley. Fausto on 19.8.08 Shri Victor Rangel wrote: Dear Mr. Da Costa, Who will be conducting the workshop? That is an important bit of information that would-be participants would like to know. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Konkani Story writing workshop To: Herald Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org, Herald Press [EMAIL PROTECTED], Navhind Times [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gomantak Times [EMAIL PROTECTED], divo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Renovocao [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fr. Anthony Charanghat [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vincent Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 11:22 AM Dear Editor, Kindly publish the attached news-item in your esteemed newspaper/magazine for the knowledge of your readers. Thank you. Fausto V. Da Costa The Goan Review Press Release Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust is organizing a full-day workshop on Story-writing in Konkani. This workshop will be held in Margao on Sunday, September 14, 2008 and will be open to students presently studying in stds. 5th to 12th. Students desirous of participating in this workshop are invited to send their applications to the Sectretary of the Trust at the earliest giving therein the following information: 1. Name of the student (2) Name of the school and class in which presently studying, (3) Residential address, (4) Contact telephone number, (5) Student's signature, (6) Parent's / Guardian's signature. The necessary materials (like paper, pen, file, relevant literature, etc.) will be supplied to the participants during the workshop; also tea and lunch. No fee whatsoever is to be paid. But, due to constraints of space, the number of participants needs to be restricted. Therefore an early application would be advantageous. Address: Secretary, Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust, c/o Manfa Music, Commerce House, F-18B, Luis Miranda Road, Margao 403 601. (S. M. Borges) Secretary (Ph. 9960816598) __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3385 (20080825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
[Goanet] Origin of words
JoeGoaUk said: How many times I must have also blamed Parrikar for Panjim Mess? Parrikar being the Panjim MLA besides opposition leader. --- Reply: This is exactly what I'm saying, Porrikar is not efficient as an MLA or as a CM. You said some time back that Porrikar should be given a chance. Well! he has got a chance, he is MLA of Panjim. If he cannot sort out the shitting and pissing public in Panjim, what sort of MLA is he!! What will he do as a CM? This unhygienic activity by the public in Panjim HAS to stop. JoeGoaUK said: Also, your post implies as if GN is only for Congress Supporters (?) Those who do not support Porrikar that means they are supporting Congress or Digu? GN approved the post that means GN too is Pro-Congress? Reply: I do not care who supports who. Porrikar MLA is an arrogant man, his arrogance was clearly shown by his BJP advertisement of Porrikar vs Porrikar video. He was slouching in his chair, his hands waving in the air, as if the public are stupid - that is not the way to speak to the public - his behaviour was insulting and pure disregard for the public. A monkey could do a better job waving its hands in the air. Digu is BJP as well (with sheeps clothing in the Congress camp), both are positioned (have offices) in Panjim, and they are doing F*K ALL for betterment of Panjim or Goa. CULTURE WITHIN THESE PEOPLE IS MISSING. (speaking English and wearing Western clothes does not make one a gentleman). ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Unmask yourself...if you have the ....Joe Goa UK
Unmask yourself if you have the...Joe Goa UK well as he pretends to be the saviour of the downtrodden and the poor photocar -- the father of all malice in Goa... I call upon JOE GOA UK to unmask himself and let us know your real identityif you have what it takes... if not you know best... I understand there are a lot of paid spin doctors on Goanet to spill venom on anyone who tries to raise genuine issues... Well...all these behind the curtain jokers will not go far... sad to know that the moderators on GOANET support these types... Cedric da Costa Dubai
[Goanet] Discussion on Official Language Act 1987 in the Goa Assembly
Fr Pratap Naik wrote: Parrikar was the best speaker. He had done thorough home work. One could see this the way he spoke and presented the matter in the house. He suggested to form a committee comprising MLAs , Marathi protagonists and Roman script Protagonists and within two months to come to a consensus on the language issue and to settle it based on the views of the majority. Comment: I would read a lot of hidden meaning in this suggestion. I do not see why Marathi protogonists have to be co-opted into a committee to take a decision on according equal legal status to Konkani in the Roman script.I would not be surprised if it is a back-door attempt to secure official and equal status for Marathi by blackmailing the Konkani (Roman script) protogonists by conceding them equal status for Konkani in the roman script in exchange for official status for Marathi. In fact, in the interview with Rajan Parrikar, if I remember correctly, Manohar Parrikar did make such a suggestion.It would be a pyrrhic victory for the roman script Konkani protogonists were this to happen. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Miracles - In Defence of Fr. Ivo
Fr. Ivo writes of faith and miracles and there are pseudo-scientists and some men of learning on this forum who think that their education qualifies them to deny God and his existence. They deny that miracles happen, not knowing what really is a miracle. They probably have had many miracles in their own lives, but instead of acknowledging divine providence, they think some quality of their human existence has been responsible for it. I have no problem with people who have no faith. They have arrived at a certain conclusion in their lives and are responsible for whatever implications flow from it. But when these people try to foist their reasoning onto others with some intention of 'enlightenment transfer' then it becomes patronizing and condescending. Perhaps all these arguments of miracles has become incumbent on me to recount two of the very own I have experienced. Let me hasten to add that I am neither deserving of 'miracles' nor ask for them. They occurred nevertheless. I was about 15 and it was the brashness of youth and the appearance of 'cool' that made me wait for every person to board the Bombay local train before I would do so. There were no closing doors so I would hang on, two hands clinging to the curve of the roof on a fast train. I did this many times, enjoying the cool breeze of the speeding train, complementing myself on avoiding all those sweaty bodies within. One day on a train that was late and more crowded than usual, I repeated this manoeuvre. It was a 'fast train' and had just started from its halt at Bandra. As Khar passed, the crowd within began to stir. This is what they usually do in order to get ready to alight at the next stop which would be Andheri. Come Santa Cruz the crowd became even more swirling and the whole pressure was against my torso. I yelled at the danger to me but it seemed no one listened. The pressure on my fingers holding to dear life and supporting my entire body from falling off, became unbearable. It seemed that Vile Parle another station would never come. The pain was so intense that it became so tempting to let go and experience relief by just falling to death. Some extraordinary power external to myself made me lift one leg from the ground (I was now supported by just fingers and one leg) and kick with superhuman force the person just next to me. He moved a little and so did the rest behind him. I could hold on now and Andheri swept into view. As soon as the platform appeared, I jumped on it, running, dropping but alive. At another time, I was driving my new car at about 120 kmph on a snowing day on Highway 401, a major Toronto arterial road. The highways were cleared of snow by salters and sanders but I should not have been going at that speed in that weather. Snow banks were piled on either side by the ploughs and they formed high banks, 3 feet tall. I was late for an appointment which was why I was speeding. I almost missed the turn that led to the Don Valley Parkway which I needed to take to reach downtown. I panicked and swerved to meet the turn, and slid through a slush of wet snow that removed any traction that I needed to stay on the road. My car spun like a top and smashed into the guardrail at a speed greater than I was going. I should have been dead at the stop, but I was merely dazed. A speeding trailer truck swished by. A second earlier and it would have rammed into me, smashing my car to smithereens. The next speeding vehicle was a huge tow truck who had seen my plight. The driver had reflexes like lightning (they all do). He braked his truck and stopped beside me, affording a protective screen to the next speeding vehicle. His truck was pounded by a couple of passing vehicles, but it stood firm while he helped me out of the car. He asked me if I was OK and he said simply you have defied death. Regards, -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Goanet] Broadband services in Goa
I am using BSNL's unlimited download BB plan for Rs. 750 p.m. + phone bill Rs. 110 p.m. (Rural Exchange) + Service charges and surcharge. (50 free calls are allowed) I got my connection in Feb 2007, The service has been very satisfactory. As ours is a modern rural exchange, the linesmen are very friendly. They even gave me a new drop wire from the DP box to my home. With limited plans, you have the advantage of bursts during download, but you have to be careful about opening any pages which are not essential as the few Kb add up to quite a lot. Then again, your download experience is limited. With my unlimited plan, I can run my broadband the whole day and not bother about costs other than my monthly bill. This is by way of supplementing JoeGoaUK's mail. Wishing resident Goans (and Indians) a happy Internet experience. T -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- Achievement is largely the product of steadily raising one's levels of aspiration and expectation. - Jack Nicklaus
[Goanet] Lourdes Miracles - Faith or God in action
Roland said: I then went on to explain what faith meant to those of us who have it. Reply: What are you ON about? We all have faith in something or another. I do have 'faith' that Obama will become the President of USA. But I do not have faith that I will go to hell of burning fire after death, I'm well passed that. I do not have to have faith that God exists. People like you fear God, God should not be feared is my policy, and this is precisely why I do not believe that God exists. IF God does exists, it is a female. So, Roland you should have faith in a Female God. A Female God that favours the wasp which lays its eggs in another insects' body which then becomes paralysed and becomes a meal for the wasps' young when hatched. Amen. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Why can't India develop world-class athletes???
Why? Because belpuri and pakora diet is not good enough. If any one tries to educate them, they are burnt alive. That's why. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Inflation soars to TWENTY SEVEN year high
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:29:56 + (GMT) From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont drag me into this saying, everyone. I'm on Mervyn's side. Mario observes: It looks like you dragged yourself into this, Ed, or aren't you able to tell? I like your incoherent opinion to everyone:-)) Makes perfect sense to me:-)) At least you didn't try to bring your own version of the facts along with you:-)) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:27:08 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Though Mario isn't very sure about much these days - So he places the proverbial :-)) at the end. Mario observes: To avoid embarrassing yourself any further with your trademark gibberish, Doc, I suggest you stick to medicine:-))
Re: [Goanet] Lourdes miracles
From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using a selectively mutilated quote of what I (jc) had written i.e. ***Sorry, Dr.Jose Colaço, for keeping your quote shortened. This happened by mistake (not selectively mutilated)--the first words were deleted by mistake and I added check if:. Nothing was distorted. The logical meaning is the same. I understand it well. I gave you the answer not hastily, but according to the understanding that I have of the problem. For us who know so many languages, English is the easiest language... (Let me add here that Dr.JC cannot reply without insulting...) You want me to have all these requirements, namely to know medicine in all its branches, to review all the details of all the cases and to say that there is no other explanation for the cures? Dr.Santosh asked for a double-blind control (read below), admitting himself that this is difficult for such rare cases. The proposed method itself excludes all miracles. I think that these cases are rare and cannot have such a control, because they are too evident for the medical community. My answer is the same: The medical Bureau has verified all these criteria. I leaned on the expertise of the Medical Bureau and International Medical Panel, and our common sense and my own knowledge of medicine and data available. Even if an authority in medical field asserts it, Dr.Santosh will never accept that the incurable diseases were cured in those particular cases (which theologically means miracles). There will not be an authority in the world on all the branches of medicine, nor, as a consequence, such a person as to comprehend and judge all these cases. Dr.Santosh himself will not be able to do that. Nobody is bound to accept miracles--they are not magical feats, but signs of God's love--, nor am I bound to accept the scientific explanations given by Dr.Santosh. For me, these are miracles according to our prudential judgement. We can speak of them privately and in public domain. We call them miracles, precisely because they do not have a scientific explanation, and satisfy the required criteria. The Church accepts them officially as miracles. Dr.Santosh does not accept God, therefore he cannot accept miracles, nor can he explain reasonably these 'miraculous' phenomena... Regards. Fr.Ivo (*This is what Dr.JC had written:) ( In conclusion, I'd say this: The avenue open to anyone who wishes to counteract Santosh's position is the following: Advise us that he/she)(*this was deleted by mistake) (Chech if: (*This was added by me) a: has the requisite knowledge of the field of medicine in which the miracle is said to have occured b: has personally reviwed all the original details of the case. c: is able to say with confidence that there is NO other explanation for the 'cure'. About the method Dr.Santosh wrote on August 10: Simply put, any scientific procedure requires that properly blinded and objective researchers obtain quantitative data about the probability of occurrence of the phenomenon under observation in the special condition under study, and then compare this probability with that of its occurrence in a control (properly matched) group of people under appropriately controlled conditions.*(These are his words):Since the so-called miracles are by definition rare events, this is a monumental task. ...It should be obvious to those of you who have followed the logic here that if it turns out that two or more individuals from this latter group had also recovered spontaneously from the disease, then no particular benefit from the pilgrimage would be deemed to have occurred. Well, the actual situation is even more complicated than what I have just described, as those with some statistics background would realize. However, the impossibility of performing the above simplified, yet massive, project to scientifically demonstrate that anything extraordinary has occurred, should be fairly plain to most people.
[Goanet] [Fwd: [aldona-net] Request from Satira Soares St Bridget's Institute( Caritas Goa)]
Looks like a good cause, please support. FN Original Message Subject: [aldona-net] Request from Satira Soares St Bridget's Institute( Caritas Goa) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Savio Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All The St Bridgets Institute has done a wonderful job in Aldona for the past many years in educating and preparing local girls (some of them drop outsfrom school) making them independent and ready for the future . The Institute has since shifted to Porvorim to have a better reach. Now in the same facility at Aldona they have started a I year Course in Home Nursing. Savita a child of the family ( Perpet Fernandes) for whom a new home was built with your kind and generous help is now undertaking this course . I am attaching an request from Satira. Please see if anyone can help in any way. If you desire to help please contact Satira directly at 91 832 2293160 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] CARITAS- GOA ( a Registered Society under Societies Registration Act 1860, 8th November,1971) Soc.Reg.No. 336 ST.BRIDGET'S INSTITUTE OF HOME SCIENCE SANTERXETTE, ALDONA, BARDEZ-GOA 403508 Phone No. : 2293160 Let me introduce myself as Satira Soares the Principal of St.Bridgets Institute of Home Science, Aldona under Caritas Goa and share with you our vision for the sick and aged members of our community. The aim of St.Bridget's Institute is to impart education to help women to reach their full potential, to discover their identity, talents and equip them with skills to meet the challenges of the time and to be self-employed and self supporting. With the growing number of elderly and infirmed uncared for in the homes Caritas Goa felt the need to reach out to these neglected groups, while recognizing the need for locally trained individuals MALE AND FEMALE CANDIDATES who will be in a better position to render effective care to the individual in the home ALONG WITH THE FAMILY. The programme is designed to prepare the individual with knowledge and skills to care for the aged and sick in their own environment in keeping with the principles of health, prevention of diseases while becoming familiar with and adjusting to the home conditions working along with the sick or aged person and family. This course aims to address the growing needs of the family and community in caring for the sick and aged in the home, within the family and community resources. This course is for students who have completed their 8th standard as a minimum qualification for both male and female. The programme is of 1 YEAR duration affiliated to HRD, Government of Goa and will help the student acquire comprehensive knowledge and skills to care for the aged and sick in their own environment. Fee structure: Rs. 4000/- for the academic session Rs.25/- for the Prospectus Rs.25/- for the practical record book Most of our students are from low socio economic group and need financial assistance and request you to help in any way you can. Also to meet the educational requirement we would need to equip our classrooms with the following aids and equipments: CPR simulator Demonstration dummy/mannequin designed to perform nursing procedures Anatomy man with detachable viscera Charts/slides/CD's -- anatomy, hygiene, microbiology Nursing books- Community health Nursing, Microbiology for Nurses, Anatomy and Physiology, Home Nursing Any help will be much appreciated. Thanking you. Yours sincerely, Satira Soares PRINCIPAL -- FN M: 9970157402 or 9822122436 P:+91-832-240-9490 (after 1pm) Skype: fredericknoronha Yahoochat: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Email fred at bytesforall.org Res: 784 Saligao 403511 Goa India
Re: [Goanet] Miracles - In Defence of Fr. Ivo
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fr. Ivo writes of faith and miracles and there are pseudo-scientists and some men of learning on this forum who think that their education qualifies them to deny God and his existence. It is sad to see Roland descend into name-calling, and into passing more baseless judgments on other people's motivations and attitudes in life. I would kindly request him to tell me what he means by the word pseudo-scientist, and what kind of education qualifies somebody to recognize a pseudo-scientist on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Why can't India develop world-class athletes???
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:23:15 + (GMT) From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why? Because belpuri and pakora diet is not good enough. If any one tries to educate them, they are burnt alive. That's why. Mario observes: Edward I'm sorry to inform you that they don't burn anyone alive that tries to educate them. You are obviously referring to a couple of recent incidences where the perpetrators will certainly be caught, tried, and if convicted, be hanged in due course by them. You don't seem to be familiar with India outside Goa, but there are millions of meat-eating Indians in the north, south, east, west and center as well as in Goa. Indian hockey teams won the Olympic gold medal regularly in the early to mid 20th century until the rest of the world caught up with them. Now they can't even qualify in spite of all the scholarly efforts by Carmo D'Cruz, Ph.D. to use systems analysis techniques to improve their game:-)) Indian cricketers have been among the best players in the world for several decades. Now, if you have anything coherent to add, please feel free to try again.
[Goanet] Dr. Jose and Fr. Ivo (was Lourdes miracles)
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr.Santosh asked for a double-blind control (read below), admitting himself that this is difficult for such rare cases. The proposed method itself excludes all miracles. The proposed method is what is called scientific method. Only when one follows that method can one honestly claim that an intense scientific procedure was conducted, or whatever else Fr. Ivo has claimed with regard to the international medical panel. Otherwise, as I have said, it is simply a bureaucratic committee meeting deciding everything by majority vote, and asking people to take their word for it. But this exchange between Jose and Fr. Ivo illustrates my position quite well - a position that Fr. Ivo has never been able to grasp. Both Jose and Fr. Ivo are Catholics who believe in miracles. Jose has repeatedly admitted it in this forum, including this time around in his first post in the Lourdes miracles thread. However, in stark contrast to Fr. Ivo, Jose has always said that he believes in them because of his faith, just like my scientific colleague and friend Jean-Baptiste here in Houston. These men of science never claim that there is scientific evidence for their beliefs, or that someone has conducted an intense scientific procedure to confirm their beliefs, or that their scientific reasoning somehow supports what they believe based on faith. That is why I respect their position, and have no argument against their beliefs. Fr. Ivo, on the other hand, despite the fact that he does not come from a scientific background, persists in making all kinds of bogus scientific claims in support of his beliefs, and in misrepresenting the nature of science and its purpose, in the service of his faith. That is why I am compelled to respond to his pronouncements about science in this public forum. Had he confined himself to preaching his religion, and expressing his pure faith in miracles and the supernatural, devoid of any reference to science, as Fr. Botelho and others have done in the past, I would have left him alone. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] COPA GOA LEGA 2008 ( GOAN SOCCER IN DUBAI )
To The Sports Editor DEAR SIR, We would be grateful if you could kindly publish the following artical. SIOLIM UNION V/S CANACONA PILAR V/S MONTE DE GUIRIM FESTA Entertainments in association with Iranian sports club dubai are organizing COPA GOA 2008 an all Goa inter village football tournament during the holy month of Ramadan. All matches will start at 4:45 pm sharp. FESTA Entertainments had organized a New Years EVE Ball dance on 31st december a football tournament named DUBAI CHARITY CUP 2008 in Goa at Candolimj grounds, the tournment was sponsored by MR. NABIL DARBAS of Emirates ICA, in aid of small children who have aids. and lately we had a all Goa seven a side played under floodlights at al Wasl sports club dubai and goan youngesters Qatar AIRPORT TEAM had the previlage to play the goan soccer in dubai.the last tournament was held as a curtain rasier for the super lega from 2nd September 2008. the goan soccer named as COPA GOA LEGA 2008 will have top goan teams from all over UAE. The inaugural matches will be played between FR. AGNEL PILAR (EKFC) will take on ST. ANTHONY'S MONTE DE GUIRIM ZOOM ZOOM BOY'S. at 4:45pm While the second match at 5:30pm ABU DHABI Goan crowed pullers CANACONA Outsiders will clash with DUBAI BARDEZ BLUE BOYS SIOLIM UNION. FOR MORE DETAILS SUGGESTATIONS CALL BONNIE FERNANDES ON 00971 50 8488096 / EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Discussion on Official Language Act 1987 in the Goa Assembly
Dear Marshall, I share your reasoning that there is no justification in including MARATHI protagonists in the discussion on KONKANI if the issue is limited to sorting out the rift of the SCRIPTS created intentionally by the Official Language Act, 1987 [When Pratapsingh Rane was CM. Dr. Wilfred de Souza then, as now, was not an MLA. Luizinho Faleiro (goa congress) and Adv. Uday Bhembre (independent) had NOT OPPOSED but 'walked out' before the vote on 04 February, 2008]. Having said that, Marathi need not be a bogey that frightens us even now because 1. Marathi has all the facilities that Konkani in Devangri has, save the label [It is not the Official Language but can be used for all Official Purposes] 2. There are 800-plus Marathi medium Govt. Primary Schools and less than 100 Konkani GPS. So the Goa govt. continues to promote Marathi. 3. Goa Marathi Academy gets almost as much grants form the Govt. as the Goa Konkani Academy [about Rs.15 million per year] plus it has a Rs 5 million grant for construction. 4. More applications and letters are received in Marathi in a month than in Konkani in a year by the Goa Govt. 5. More Marathi newspapers are sold in Goa in a day than all Konkani publications in all scripts in a month. [The Devanangri SUNAPARANT sells next to no copies each day and does not even have a full-time editor at present.] In contrast, Konkani written in the Roman script is 1.Not recognised as a LANGUAGE [leave alone Official Language] in Goa 2. Not taught in a single GPS 3. Has only been promised Rs.1.5 million BUT given no money thus far 4. Applications accepted by Goa govt but in insignificant numbers annually [GKA accepts applications in Romi lipi] 5.Does not have a daily newspaper [but the number of magazines is increasing] The blackmailers are NOT the Marathi lobby but, rather, the Devanagri lobby that is scared that it will lose control over the language if Romi is accepted. They are just being good ventriloquists. Do a caste analysis of the so-called Catholic priests [Catholics for Devanagri] who support the Devanagri and you will know that caste runs thicker than language just as in politics. Cast your vote and vote your caste. Pragmatic persons like Dr. ManoharRai Sardessai and Ulhas Buyao are few and far between. Kitle aile, gele Otthra Jun! ... Ambea mullant kuddkuddtta Gavddeacho por ozun! The use of the Konkani word chamar for a cobbler still creates ripples in the Goa Legislative Assembly. I wonder what the Gavddeacho por would say if someone asked or said Tum gavddo! Is it Ganv kospi to gavddo? as GAKUVEDPresident Durgadas Gaonkar says, or is it an insult. Personally, I care a damn about the OFFICIAL status for Konkani written in the Roman script. HOWEVER, the Goa Government cannot negate the existence of Konkani written in the Roman script by the ridiculous definition of Konkani means Konkani written in the Devanagri script in OLA, 1987. Why not simply state the truth that the Official language of Goa is ANTRUZI. It is now written exclusively in the Devanagri script though even Shenoi Goembab wrote in Romi once upon a time! Perhaps, those dozen books are NOT Konkani, either. Konkani written in Roman script is a PEPSI . nothing Official about it! Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:19 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Discussion on Official Language Act 1987 in the Goa Assembly Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fr Pratap Naik wrote: Parrikar was the best speaker. He had done thorough home work. One could see this the way he spoke and presented the matter in the house. He suggested to form a committee comprising MLAs , Marathi protagonists and Roman script Protagonists and within two months to come to a consensus on the language issue and to settle it based on the views of the majority. Comment: I would read a lot of hidden meaning in this suggestion. I do not see why Marathi protogonists have to be co-opted into a committee to take a decision on according equal legal status to Konkani in the Roman script.I would not be surprised if it is a back-door attempt to secure official and equal status for Marathi by blackmailing the Konkani (Roman script) protogonists by conceding them equal status for Konkani in the roman script in exchange for official status for Marathi. In fact, in the interview with Rajan Parrikar, if I remember correctly, Manohar Parrikar did make such a suggestion.It would be a pyrrhic victory for the roman script Konkani protogonists were this to happen. Regards, Marshall -- Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader -- Diverse roots, varied challenges -- the Goan diaspora in the UK (Dr Eddie D'Sa, in Goa Aparanta...)
DIVERSE ROOTS, VARIED CHALLENGES: THE GOAN DIASPORA IN THE U.K.
As a result, the Association possesses substantial funds but
no new physical premises -- nor a new vision. A slimmed down
version of the old social programme continues -- the main
event being the annual day-long get-together ('festival') on
hired school grounds in the last Sunday of July. It draws a
thousand or more Goans from far and wide but with no thought
provoking agenda, the crowds simply meander about the grounds
-- pausing at food or lucky-dip stalls, imbibing at the bar,
standing to listen to some impromptu songs and skits. It is
a pity that the occasion is not also used to monitor the
community's shifting views and concerns. This, in my view,
is a lost opportunity.
Folks,
I know from experience (both in E. Africa and Canada) that Goans will assemble
in large numbers when social or sports events are offered. You will,
however, only get a handful of people attending when serious matters need to be
discussed. The recent GNAT convention is a prime example. We had 400 people at
the ball and only a quarter of those at the conference itself.
Here in Toronto, the GOA is run by a few dedicated workers. The GOA is
now expanding its wings by exploring the possibility of building a retirement
home for seniors. There is a lot of work involved here.
See below:
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LIFE LEASE HOUSING PROJECT INFORMATION MEETINGS
FOR THE GOAN AND INDO CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
The Goan and Canorient Seniors' Clubs, the GOA and the GCO, invite you to an
information meeting, to learn about a Life Lease Housing Project, for the Goan
and Indo Christian (Manglorean, East and Anglo Indian,etc.) Community Seniors'
in the GTA.
The concept of Life Lease Housing is a Community based multi unit dwelling
developed for Active Seniors, which would be equity financed by the prospective
resident, who would be seeking to downsize in the next 5 to 7 years. The
resident has the right to sell the Lease on the unit at market value or pass it
down through the estate.
The project would also be of interest to children who wish to purchase housing
for aging parents and later move into it themselves and to investors who would
purchase a unit to rent out to a Senior resident.
The Life Lease Housing Project will be sponsored by the Goan Charitable
Organisation, which will have the benefit of obtaining GST and PST rebates on
the building construction costs and savings on the Land Transfer Tax, which
combined with the lower base cost, will price the units below the new
condominium market value.
The building will be designed for Seniors' seeking an active life style and
contain Social, Dining, Exercise, Medical and Religious facilities, similar to
a modern Seniors' Residence.
Location of the Project will be determined by the results of a Survey to be
completed after the meeting.
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Ugandan Goans have formed two bodies: the Uganda Reunion and
Bakuli Reunion (a bakuli is a cooking vessel in Swahili).
They share a common memory of the old days as well as the
trauma of expulsion by Amin. Commemoration is in the form of
an annual dance (preceded by Mass). Ugandan motifs decorate
the hall and Ugandan produce (alcoholic beverage and bananas)
is on sale.
Don't know if the ex-Ugandans in Toronto are as active as in London. The most
active group here is the ex-Tanzanians who have an annual dance, picnic, and
a seniors day.
Two London-based groups promote Goan music, dance, and drama.
I believe we have at least two groups in Toronto too.
Mervyn3.0
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[Goanet] Text of GBA Press Release of 26 Aug.2008: RPG 2021
Dears, Placed below is the full text of the Press Release issued by the Secretary spokesperson of the GBA as per the consensus arrived after detailed deliberations of the GBA Core Group held on 25 August, 2008. These are not the personal views of any single person but of the GBA as one body. The newspapers will carry the report as per their normal policies. Check out the hard copies or web versions at their websites in the morning [27 August, 2008]. Mog asundi. Miguel --- On Tue, 26/8/08, GBA office goabachaoabhiyan@ gmail.com wrote: From: GBA office goabachaoabhiyan@ gmail.com Subject: GBA Press Release - For favor of publication please Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 9:26 PM *Goa Bachao Abhiyan* *77, Defence Colony, Porvorim contact: 9767701245* PRESS RELEASE * The GBA stands firmly committed to the Memorandum signed by the people of Goa at the first public rally organised by the then fledgling Goa Bachao Abhiyan [Save Goa Campaign]on 18 December, 2006, at Azad Maidan, Panaji-Goa. The Memorandum signed by more than 6,500 people was submitted to the Goa Government on 22 December, 2006, asking for 1. Repeal of the RPG 2011 2. Involvement of the people of Goa in the planning process as envisioned in the 73rd and 74th amendment to the Constitution of India. 3. Reformulation of a new Regional Plan for Goa. The first was achieved in early 2007. However, with the Goa Government dithering on bringing its laws and processes in consonance with the 73rd and 74th amendments to the Constitution of India, the formulation of the Regional Plan for Goa 2021 has been rendered incomplete. The GBA cooperated with the Task Force as a representative of the interests of the people of Goa with the sincere wish to partner with Government positively towards framing guidelines of planning as mentioned in Point 2 of GBA's memorandum. As we stand days away from the release of the Draft Regional Framework Plan we question the Governments motives due to a string of actions and inactions. GBA asks the Government to come clear on several questions that arise in the minds of the people: *Policies:* Are the policies that create the spatial Plan from the 'Top-Down' set that gave birth to SEZ's, Food Parks and Golf Courses, or do they reflect the people's aspirations for a better tomorrow? *Process:* Is there a transparent consultative process that ensures real people's participation towards policy in this Regional Plan or are the people merely to 'suggest' or 'object' but not plan, as in the case of ODPs? *Legal status:* Despite 16 years of existence of the 73rd and 74th constitutional amendments, why are the Goa TCP Act and Municipality Act not brought in consonance with the Constitution of India as in force and why are powers not being devolved to the Village Panchayats, Zilla Panchayats and DistrictPlanning Committees envisioned in the Goa Panchayat Raj Act, 1994, and notifications issued thereunder. *Integrity:* Why is the Goa Government, with its large administrative framework including Civil Service officers, lawyers and advisors, feigning ignorance of the constitutional requirements and methods, limiting the official methods for 'Peoples Participation' to simply 'Reaction' or objections allowed by the antiquated TCP Act of 1974 ? *Political Will:* The Task Force and the TCP Department accepted the formula for a pilot study of 6 villages and 3 municipalities that was presented to the Task Force by the CSJP and allied groups, also members of the GBA, as far back as December 2007. When the formula was appreciated and agreed to be commissioned by the Task Force, why has the Government not found the will to move forward on this? *Changing Goal posts:* # Even as the Government found itself 'Unable' to do this pilot study, how did it find the 'Will' to push through the anti-people amendments to Section 1616A of the TCP Act, vide Ordinance dated 29 February, 2008 and Act dated 13 May, 2008, which allow it complete and overriding powers to the Government effectively nullifying any Regional Plan. #Why have the Goa Land Development and Building Regulations been notified vide Gazette of 14th August 2008, Series I No. 20, even before the Task Force has finished formulating the Regional Plan? On 25th of August the GBA met to deliberate on these issues and made the following resolve. The GBA cannot be part of any planning process that does not include the people and their aspirations in a clear and substantial manner. It cannot support any plan that does not provide for proper participation. It cannot support a plan that can at any moment be subverted by the use of Section 16 and 16Aof TCP Act which legalizes all that was rejected in the Regional Plan 2011. The only sure way of ensuring that the peoples voice is heard and that power is devolved to them is
[Goanet] Unmask yourself...if you have the ....Joe Goa UK
What JoeGoaUk has not done for more than 5 years.. what made you think he would do it now for you? Sorry, that will not work. Try something else No, no, no, don't bother...just move on... Voir (Dubai) ravon xepotam sangta to, sokla deum ani sang mure How can a dog protect it's master by barking from somebody else's house? Save Goa! Save Goa! How? By using remote control from abroad? Sorry, it may work for Laloo but not for Goa Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Goa news for August 27, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** \'Develop new tourism locations\' - Times of India [1 hour ago] Curchorem Congress legislator, Shyam Satardekar, who is also the chairman of the Goa Tourism Development Corporation, urged more investment in tourism ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Develop_new_tourism_locations/articleshow/3409612.cmscid=1240203080ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNEhn15xeB2xSo-52tk3W8WhV9rTyw *** Mhadei tribunal:Goas plea rejected - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] BANGALORE, AUG 25 (PTI) #148; Karnataka has rejected Goas plea seeking constitution of a tribunal to adjudicate the issue of sharing water from river Mhadei. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8954cid=2cid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNESAiAdF6aldkt50lzJMkO0L_OyoQ *** Goa- NGO urged CM to sack Advocate General - Indlaw.com [17 hours ago] Its spokesman Advocate Aires Rodriges said the revelations made in the Goa Legislative Assembly only vindicated Utt Genkaras allegations made against the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indlawnews.com/newsdisplay.aspx?6c81df5d-c893-4aad-afeb-c625f7d7c08ccid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNEeJDRjHrSymjmPwJRWuI_A-X5P5Q *** Goa to press for special category status - Hindu [Aug 24, 2008] PANAJI: Goa Chief Minister Digambar Kamat will soon lead an all-party delegation to New Delhi to plead the States case for special status. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/25/stories/2008082559921200.htmcid=1239883996ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNHkfk6MAGcvnLnC76JLNmMH1oFTiw *** Karnataka Opposes Goas Plea on Kalasa-Banduri Project - Daijiworld.com [14 hours ago] BANGALORE, Aug 26: Karnataka has opposed Goas appeal to the Union Government to set up a tribunal to study the Kalasa-Banduri nala project for diversion of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=50252n_tit=Karnataka++Opposes+Goa%92s+Plea+on+Kalasa-Banduri+Project+cid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNFlqRAO3uWTK6_t74TRk3HqRLwD-w *** Environmental changes affect fishing economy of Goa - Zee News [5 hours ago] As per the records tabledduring the ongoing state legislative assembly session, Goa's fish catch is dwindling every passing year. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=464662sid=REGcid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNE0tS8T6kQwxuLafywfsL1jfGOGeg *** Panel to check allotment of plots in industrial estates - Times of India [1 hour ago] PANAJI: Reiterating his resolve not to allow SEZs but to attract non-polluting industries to Goa, chief minister Digambar Kamat told the House on Tuesday ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Panel_to_check_allotment_of_plots_in_industrial_estates/articleshow/3409616.cmscid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNEN7XtA-fqdMszIoq23vCeCqgXF4Q *** Panaji: Goa to Press for Special Status - Daijiworld.com [5 hours ago] Panaji, Aug 26 : Chief minister Digamber Kamat plans to lead an all party delegation to Delhi, to press hard for conferring special status on Goa state, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=50293n_tit=Panaji%3A+Goa+to+Press+for+Special+Statuscid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNHpZJKPN7k2yIiCE3nmKWUOiIgCIQ *** Death too is a lonely affair for HIV in Goa - Times of India [Aug 25, 2008] PANAJI: The discovery of the body of 45-year-old Vasco resident, Ajay, at the bus stop near Goa Medical College and Hospital on August 21, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Death_too_is_a_lonely_affair_for_HIV_in_Goa/articleshow/3405249.cmscid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNFhvkJgsV3HGQiKbXVOEWcjFnpw5g *** Goa boils over Opposition leader\'s chamar utterance - Times of India [8 hours ago] PANAJI: Goa Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar's utterance of the word chamar on the floor of the House referring to the Scheduled Caste (ST) community ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_boils_over_Opposition_leaders_chamar_utterance/articleshow/3408570.cmscid=0ei=4pG0SISsOYr4lQSBo5HBBwusg=AFQjCNEAuZyccV932fCn5VEwexgo9_9NUQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] It is just not so
Summary of Chapter 3 in Cracking Da Vinci's Code by GJ Continuing false claims in Da Vinci Code. 1. Prior to the Church, there was a matriarchal culture that the church attempted to crush. (pg 124) 2. The church hunted down and killed more than 5 million women over three centuries as part of brutal reeducation. (pg 125) 3. The church even today seeks to demonize and repress women. 4. Jesus was the original feminist. (pg 248) Prof Langdon (Harvard professor none-the-less) claims Powerful men in the early church conned the world by propagating lies that devalued the female ... the world was converted from matriarchal paganism to patriarchal Christianity. (pg 124) The reality is the Church liberated women. Its teachings unequivocally supported strict monogamy; and against multiple wives, mistresses, concubines, slaves, prostitution, etc. The Romans did not care about the religious beliefs of their subjects.. But the Romans could not tolerate a belief that altered their way of life. This was a major reason for the persecution of the apostles, leaders and believers of the early Church. DB's central theme that paganism affirmed women and the Church destroyed and killed them is absurd. Yet DB manages to combine fact and fiction - faction; that has real-life implications today - just like Guardian of the Dawn. If the readers of the two books do not believe that, the authors of both books are serious about the real-life implications of their work as seen from their press interviews.. GJ quotes a reference who points out that never in the history of human civilization, and prior to that, was there a matriarchal society. Humans went from being Hunter-Gatherers to societies that was into acquisition of lands and territories in a conquer or be conquered philosophy. All societies have had standing or stand-by armies; which were male dominated. The repression of women is undertaken by both 'age-old' cults and modern 'new age' movements by suggesting that sexual intercourse is the way for men to experience divinity. The logic 'uses' women in a patronizing manner for the elevation of men. This chapter introduces the concept of the sacred feminine which plays an important role in defining the hidden agenda of the novel. In later chapters, GJ describe the origin and concepts of goddess spirituality ... and ... free men and virgins which is an euphemism for spiritual and physical nakedness. These chapters also discuss parallels between ancient agnosticism and 'new age' spirituality. Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Inflation soars to TWENTY SEVEN year high
Mario Goveia wrote: Is this why you continue to DENY that your explanations of gold prices and how you picked the lowest price of gold, make no sense?:-)) I suggest you cross that very high hurdle you have made for yourself:-)) Or, if you prefer, stop digging:-)) Mario, I had to stop reading here. The reasons for me buying gold (close to its lowest point) are well documented on this and other websites. I can provide you the links if you want. I bought gold when the price was low. Is this difficult to accept? Secondly, I am still digging for gold :-) As for US inflation, Fox News is reporting it at a 27 year high. If you do not want to believe the same, pour yourself a cup of er, tea and write to Fox expressing your anguish. No one else on Goanet doubts the 27 year high. Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] was Lourdes miracles
2008/8/26 Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1: Both Jose and Fr. Ivo are Catholics who believe in miracles. 2: Jose has always said that he believes in them because of his faith Dear Santoshbab, May I agree with #1 above and disagree with #2 - as stated by you? In my clinical experience (of some years now) there have been some unexpected cures / recoveries. They have been amazing and wonderful occurrences inexplicable by our current knowledge. Until I find scientific explanations for the cures, I will call them miracles. It has nothing to do with my faith (i.e. religion). It has everything to do with my inability to find a scientific explanation for them. Permit me to add that I have a great deal of skepticism wrt the so called Faith Cures. For while Faith and a positive outlook to life help patients to deal with various illnesses, there is a dark side to thisespecially to blind faith followers. There is a Faith which forbids the use of blood transfusion even in life-threatening situations. Others will have their blind followers believe that Higher Sciences will cure serious brain infections, and still others (while not religious) has believers in miraculous cure of AIDS by the drinking of carrot juice. That is why I suggest that the Church needs to have an open investigation of unexplained cures. Was there an illness? Was it coincidentaly treated by a drug which was used for another purpose? Can there be another reason for the cure? Is it really a cure ? To do this, it must open the hearings to the various Scientific Societies. Until that happens, there will be no accountability for the decision. Secrecy of Committees is never beneficial to the credibility of the deliberation. Transparency is. This is my last posting on this thread. I'd like to suggest to Fr. Ivo that much of what he writes is near-unreadable. He may wish to correct this by formatting his posts adequately. At the moment, it comes across as a New Orleans Jambalaya. He takes much time and effort to write. I trust that he would please make it a wee bit easier for us to read what is written. good wishes jc
[Goanet] Flotsam and jetsam from India head to Goa
To Goanet - Goa has become a magnet for dregs from India and beyond. We have ceded control of our homeland to guttersnipes and criminal elements from all over. * CANACONA- Although the start of the tourist season is still around a month away, Lamanis have already made their descent on the Palolem beach and in fact, a group of around thirty Lamanis have already set up base on the beach...Mr Jovi Fernandes, sarpanch, Agonda village panchayat said, After Palolem, it's now the turn of the less crowded Agonda beach to be the destination of Lamanis, Kashmiris and Nepalis. He further alleged that Lamani and Kashmiri traders were carrying out anti-social activities on the pretext of selling clothing and apparel and said that the police should take action against these traders during the forthcoming tourist season. http://www.navhindtimes.com/story.php?story=2008082738 ** r
[Goanet] Sarpanches and their builder buddies
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] See below how the sarpanch is wriggling out of the situation. Why can't she revoke the license? Because this is standard operating procedure, of course. You authorize something, then have it regularized. Read that carefully. It means the law and rules mean nothing in India. You can break them at will and then get retrospective pardon. Wah! Great going supercoolies, ooops, I mean, superpower. See this in today's Herald - http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8926cid=26 Sarpanch Rosy Barretto, when later contacted by newsmen said the gram Sabha has adopted a resolution against mega housing projects. She, however, ruled out revocation of the license granted for the row bungalows as demanded by the members, but promised to refer the plan to the Town and Country Planning for advise vis-?-vis septic tanks and soakpits. Mario responds: Rajan, If you could post Rosy Barretto's email address, I for one, would be glad to chide her for ignoring the Gram Sabha's resolution. I'm sure she would hear from several others as well. Can you explain what holds the Gram Sabhas from soliciting the help of some local lawyers and filing a lawsuit against the Sarpanch and the Panchayat? If it is a question of money, then Wendell's plan may be useful in challenging these officials through the courts instead of his Quixotic suggestion to start yet another political party.
[Goanet] Dr. Jose and Fr. Ivo (was Lourdes miracles)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] The proposed method is what is called scientific method. Only when one follows that method can one honestly claim that an intense scientific procedure was conducted, or whatever else Fr. Ivo has claimed with regard to the international medical panel. Otherwise, as I have said, it is simply a bureaucratic committee meeting deciding everything by majority vote, and asking people to take their word for it. Mario asks: What I would like to know is, are there any events, either positive or negative, that are known to have occurred for which there is no plausible scientific explanation. For example, how does one get a malignant sarcoma when there has never been a known incidence of cancer in one's family? How does a child turn out to be left handed when there are no left handers on either side of her family? Why does Dr. Jose resort to rude and childish gibberish when he inserts himself into discussions of subjects he knows nothing about? If you think I am kidding just read some of his posts.
[Goanet] Ago bai, Romi tukam zai? No roaming says GKA landline.
We will not allow any changes in official language bill : GKA chief NT NETWORK Posted on 2008-08-27 We will not allow any changes in official language bill : GKA chief PANAJI- Pundalik Naik, President of Goa Konkani Akademi and eminent Konkanni writer, who was convenor of the 'Konkanni Porjecho Awaz' at the time the Konkanni language bill was passed, was quite upset with the statement of the Chief Minister and told The Navhind Times that he was confused as to how the Chief Minister could make such a statement. At that time it was not only the government?s decision but the policy of the Congress party and the party had got it cleared by the government. While replying to the demands on the language issue on Monday during the ongoing assembly session, the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat said that he was ready to discuss this issue and to find satisfactory solution once and for all for the good of Goa and Goans. Mr Manohar Parrikar?s private member resolution to constitute a committee of representatives of MLAs, supporters of Roman script and supporters of Marathi is scheduled to be discussed on August 29 in the House. Naik vehemently said they would not allow any changes in the official language bill and it should be realised that as of now the youth force with love for their mother tongue was much bigger then during the time of the language agitation and also charged that there had been efforts to make changes in the bill earlier. He argued that the 'Goa Konkani Akademy' was there to guide the government on Konkani as well as to put the policies of the government into practice. Around four years back Dr Wilfred De Souza had moved a private members resolution to give patronage to Konkani in the Romi script. This was during my first tenure as the president of the GKA and at that time we took a decision that we would give all help and treat Roman script on par with Devanagri script. All schemes like publishing, programmes, giving awards for everything both scripts would be treated on par, and argued further that they had always treated tiatrs as part of Konkanni literature and they never done any injustice to any Konkanni writer or literature in the past four years and even before that.ENDS other stories in section Govt to fight back SEZ cases in court, says CM Ravi expected to table Goa police bill, 2008 Minimum wages for unskilled workers to be raised: Joaquim Modern modules to be added to existing courses High Court orders state to pay costs to petitioner Govt officials seize PoP idols in Mapusa All's not well in Sirsaim, Mapusa communidades Urgent need to protect environment, says Nelly Lamanis back for the season at Palolem beach Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1079
Ha, Victor! You caught me out on two fronts. 'Twice' is a typo -- should have been 'thrice'. And though the intention is to generally meet on the first Sunday of each month, we decided by consensus to make it Aug 31 this time instead of Sep 7, as the Quizmaster, Rajiv D'Silva, was busy on the latter date. Wish you were here, Aniruddha --- On Wed, 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Quiz 4 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org Hi, Anirudha! A couple of questions about your quiz. If the club meets on the first Sunday of every month, why is it meeting on August 31? If it has only met twice so far, how can that be the fourth meeting? Just being quizzical. Regards, wish I was there, Victor
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Broadband services in Goa
I started with Rs. 250 - Plan. My first bill was Rs. 10,000/- plus (ten thousand ) errr shock ? Investigation showed my son was downloading movies etc. Rushed to change the plan to Rs. 750/- Relief atlast. This is by way of supplementing Tony D'Sa's experience. floriano - Original Message - From: Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Broadband services in Goa I am using BSNL's unlimited download BB plan for Rs. 750 p.m. + phone bill Rs. 110 p.m. (Rural Exchange) + Service charges and surcharge. (50 free calls are allowed) I got my connection in Feb 2007, The service has been very satisfactory. As ours is a modern rural exchange, the linesmen are very friendly. They even gave me a new drop wire from the DP box to my home. With limited plans, you have the advantage of bursts during download, but you have to be careful about opening any pages which are not essential as the few Kb add up to quite a lot. Then again, your download experience is limited. With my unlimited plan, I can run my broadband the whole day and not bother about costs other than my monthly bill. This is by way of supplementing JoeGoaUK's mail. Wishing resident Goans (and Indians) a happy Internet experience. T -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897
[Goanet] GHANTTI
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:56:33 +0530, Domnic Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [Goanet] GHANTTI Most readers understood my message except you because you are obsessed with 1961 and the previous regime! What the Portuguese could not do for us in 451 years, we Goans have achieved in the last 47 years, especially education and freedom. Did you ever write anything positive about Goa or India on this forum? You may be a Goan-Portuguese by birth but you have abrogated your birth right to another country by acquiring its citizenship. You may despise India and love your new country but we love our India. I once again repeat: If you want to improve the situation in Goa, India, come here and help us or stay wherever you are and enjoy your greener pastures; you have no right to meddle with us Indians. The readers will judge whether what I wrote in my previous post is childish. A child grows up and accepts the new world but you still behave like a child! I have not forgotten about toothpaste and toothbrushes - I use them regularly because I know how valuable they are to me! Moi-mogan, Domnic FernandesGaumvaddy, Anjuna -- Dear Mr. Dominic, I am sure everyone will have understood your very clear and simple message - and I repeat it too - If anyone want to do anything good at all for Goa, come home - to Goa. That is where they should be - to lead. A lot of - this should be done, that should be done - is being propagated on this forum, but very few of those sermonizers come down to face reality and dirty their hands and sweat out their time for Goa - in Goa. A Grandson of Gaumvaddy, Anjuna Agnelo Fernandes
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Philip Thomas wrote:So the solution is smple. Do not make Mopa an international airport. Keep it a regional airport catering to small town airports emerging in surrounding areas and secondary airports of metros if any. It will play second fiddle to Dabolim and hopefully grow over time as the market expands due to economic growth and improved air connectivity.Comment:I am very clear in my mind on certain issues Marshall Mendoza then goes on to itemise the usual chorus of cliches and objections. Nobody is denying the need for financial viability of Mopa. But before doing that some out-of-the-box thinking is called for to counter the other problems listed. Until one sees signs of that willingness there may be no point getting into a point by point debate. Cheers.
Re: [Goanet] Origin of words
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Origin of words To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vidyadhar Gadgil says.. JoeGoaUK replies: If you or anyone come across such incidences like name calling etc (past and future) just register it with GN also cc to JoeGoaUk. Thanks for the response, Joe. Did this in the past, but got tired of it when it reached a stage when registering protest over abusive posts on GN would have become a full-time occupation in itself. Let's help to maintain or improve the quality of GN I'm with you on this. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Help to St.Bridget' school -appeal by Satira
Albert writes: I cannot understand why Caritas de Goa is so reluctant to help the poor and this aid to St.Bridget school should come from Caritas. They are wasting our money. They have spent crores of rupees in building a home for aids patients in Cavelosim in which I am told nine or ten foreigners are housed. The caritas has spent nearly a crore in repairing their house in Panjim. Every year all the churches in Goa are sending one sunday collection which amounts to lakhs of rupees. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] Panjim Mess
Albert writes:- Panjim was a planned city. It was planned in such a way that during the monsoons when the rivers used to flood the water that would enter the city would flow through the drains into a small lake in Mala. The present Kadamba bus stand was in fact salt pan and it was connected to the river the other side. After liberation during the MG rule builders started filling these salt pans. They started building huge buildings and the drains were filled up. I do not seem to have seen a lake in Mala now.Parrikar did not build the kadamba bus stand but Rane did. So one cannot blame Parrikar for the mess. Regarding pissing and spitting in public places there is an act to prevent this. It is the duty of the Police who themselves eat pan and spit in public places should see that the mess is not done. During Parrikar's regime toilets were erected along the river front which dissappeared once he was thrown out. _ From salsa lessons to filmy gossip, news to music concerts - watch it all on MSN Video http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] Sangh Parivar runs amok in Orissa
The Telegraph August 27 , 2008 Editorial LOVE FOR HATE When the caretaker of an orphanage run by Christian missionaries is burnt alive by a Vishwa Hindu Parishad mob in the Bargarh district of Orissa, the obvious reference point is the Graham Staines murder. Yet even that was the result of the ruthless hate campaign against Christians conducted by the VHP and its sangh brethren in Orissa. Nothing has changed since the United Progressive Alliance came to power; the conflict seems to have intensified with the coalition of the Biju Janata Dal and the Bharatiya Janata Party running the state government. The government seems blind to the numerous instances of vandalism on churches, homes and orphanages, as well as of violence against Christians. In October 2006, the India Peoples' Tribunal on Communalism in Orissa had given 13 recommendations to the state and Central governments to check growing communalism. That has been useless. The story is the old one, and is most forceful in Kandhamal district. The sangh parivar claims to be opposing conversion by force or allurement by Christian missionaries. The old plot has been given a new twist by the fact that tribal Kandhs and Dalits are ranged against one another. Many Dalits are Christian, and, according to the controversial Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Order, 1950, they have lost the advantages due to SCs. The Kandhs retain scheduled tribe status whatever religion they choose. So Kui-speaking Dalits, linguistically and culturally similar to the Kandhs, are fighting for ST status. Meanwhile, the sangh is busy 'reconverting', by both force and allurement, tribal people to Hinduism, even though they were nature-worshippers in the first place. That the Dalits are improving economically has added urgency to the VHP's campaign. It was led most successfully by Laxmananda Saraswati, whose call to destruction caused numberless violent incidents, murders and work-stoppages in the district, although they left the government and the police remarkably unperturbed. His murder, presumably by Maoists, was the cause for the bandh during which the VHP went on a destructive spree, and burnt to death an innocent woman in an orphanage. But what is amazing is that the Central and state governments have allowed the violence of a religious hate campaign to become routine in the heart of a secular republic. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
