[Goanet] Festival Of Lights - Monday-muse (27 Oct 08)
MONDAY MUSE (27 October 2008) FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS Today we celebrate the Festival of Lights where the lights or lamps signify victory of good over the evil within every human being. Diwali or Deepavali has many legends associated with it. In North India, it is associated with the story in Ramayana where people of Ayodhya welcomed Rama (after a 14-year exile) by lighting rows (avali) of lamps (deepa). In South India, it is celebrated as the day Lord Krishna defeated Narakasura. Founder of Jainism, Mahaveer is said to have attained Nirvana on this very day. Additionally as the day, chief disciple of Mahaveer, Gautam Swami attained complete knowledge, makes Diwali an important Jain festival. Sikhs celebrate Diwali as the day of the release from prison of their sixth Guru, Hargobind along with 52 other princes with him, from detention in the Gwalior Fort in 1619. For the Hindus, the festival marks the triumph of good over evil and the homecoming of goodwill and faith. For the Jains it is a celebration of complete knowledge. For the Sikhs, it is a struggle for freedom. And it is a confluence of all these reasons that will add meaning and purpose to our lives. Hence when we seek to banish the darkness, it is not enough to light lamps only during the Festival of Lights. We must join the fight of the “right” against “might”. We have to connect with our faith in human values of equality, justice and peace for all. We need to connect to knowledge and a better understanding with what’s happening around us. And of course, let’s embark on the struggle for freedom from darkness, both, within and without. To BE BETTER at banishing the bleak shade… Stop cursing, and light the lamp within instead! - Pravin-da 27 October 2008, Goa, India. Since 2004, the MONDAY MUSE series (based on JCI-India’s annual theme) is penned by PRAVIN SABNIS - a life coach with a passion to connect people to their passion & potential. He employs creative competencies in theatre & trekking in his UNLEARNING UNLIMITED workshops conducted for leading corporate & other groups. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Fwd: Why I was picked up by the police and held for three hours
Venita Coelho was "arrested" at the Gram Sabha in Moira. Venita writes a weekly column for Herald on Tuesday called The Accidental Activist. As you may be aware, Venita is in the forefront of agitating against big building projects in Moira. I urge journalists to probe into this as it comes soon after the beating up of a social activist in Assagao before their Gram Sabha. There appears to be a pattern in these incidents. -- Forwarded message -- From: Venita Coelho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:16:19 +0530 Local: Sun, Oct 26 2008 1:46 pm Subject: Why I was picked up by the police and held for three hours We no longer live in a democracy. This is the sad truth I have been forced to look in the eye. The Moira Gram Sabha was held this morning. At the previous Gram Sabha, I and two other members had not been allowed to speak because we were not on the electoral. Not only that, rowdies had taken over the Sabha and shouted down anyone who tried to speak up. The Moira Action Committee was quite sure it would happen again, so yesterday itself we sent an application to the police for police protection in case the rowdies struck. And I had made sure to go and get myself on the electoral rolls since I had every intention of exercising my basic right to speak up. Well - the police were there. And this is what happened. The Gram Sabha proceeded quietly until I stood up to ask 'What is happening on the 20 year development plan?' If I'd stood up to ask the time of the day it would have had the same result. A whole game plan immediately swung into place. One villager stood up waving my column from the Herald and demanded that I apologize for what I had been writing. I refused, saying that if they had a problem they should reply in the same forum and write to the Herald. Then more rowdies joined in and they began to shout. The Sarpanch told me to reply to them. I refused. I had no need to - I had a right to the opinion I had aired. Then they demanded I not be allowed to speak and be removed because I was not on the electoral roll. I said I was ( Electoral Roll Part Number 8 Serial Number 809) and said they should produce the roll to confirm it. Nothing of the sort was done. Instead the shouting rose to a crescendo. I was threatened with 'We'll see how you step out of your house. We'll see how you live in this village.' I was surrounded by a ring of shouting gesticulating men threatening me with the worst. And what did the police do? They swung resplendently into action - by grabbing me, pulling me forcibly out of my chair and dragging me to the police jeep. I was driven straight to the police station and held for 3 hours. When friends asked if they could accompany me they were pushed away from the police van. Those who break the law, issue threats, intimidate are allowed to continue in the Gram Sabha. The single woman who is sitting peacefully in her chair refusing to walk out because it is her right to be there is picked up by the police. Not just picked up but forcibly dragged out. The Sarpanch not only refuses to check the electoral roles, he issues a complaint hastily scribbled on a piece of paper to the cops on the basis of which they grab me and pull me out of the Sabha. I am then held for three hours. The police repeatedly assure me I am not arrested - but I cannot leave till the PI comes. And meanwhile the Gram Sabha continues. No one protests. No resolution is passed condemning what has just happened. Two women panchas have sat there and watched another woman be dragged out as if she was a criminal. Democracy is dead. In a democracy every citizen has a right to an opinion and a right to air it. In a democracy the rule of law is supreme. In a democracy the police are on the side of justice. In a democracy the officials are bound to act by rules and laws. No. Ours is not a democracy. I asked too many awkward questions. I wrote a column in which I aired my views. I questioned illegalities in licences. I had to be shut up. And so the Sarpanch ignored every rule in the book to get me out of the Gram Sabha. The police turned on the person who had requested their protection in the first place. The rowdies threatened, shouted, shut me up - and were allowed to get away with it completely. I enclose the column I wrote last week for the Herald. Sadly, every prophecy I made in such sadness and disillusionment has come true. It has indeed come home. The Accidental Activist : And it comes closer. I have always been inordinately proud of Goa. Nowhere else could I have dreamed of being an accidental activist. I have often said to my mother - 'If I had raised my voice like this in any other state in India I would have had goondas at my doorstep threatening me by evening'. Only in Goa could a movement like that started by the GBA flourish. Only in Goa could a government be brought to its knees by ordinary people and be forced to take back a Regional Plan. Only in Goa
[Goanet] GOA New Jersey Christmas Ball
Goan Association of New Jersey Christmas Ball The Goan Association of New Jersey (GOANJ) will be holding its annual Christmas dance on Saturday, December 20,2008. The popular Toronto Goan band - the "Naked Flame" will entertain attendees at the Ukrainian Cultural Center in Somerset, New Jersey. And on Saturday, November 1, The Canadian band will be featured at the first Halloween Ball organized by a well known New Jersey businessman and philanthropist- Alan Lobo. The proceeds from the dance at the Ramada Inn Grand Ballroom in North Brunswick will go towards Alan's favorite charities. These include the Shanti Avedna Cancer Hospice for terminally ill patients and Giselle Lobo's Autism programs in Goa, and the House of Support for Children with Cancer in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Tony Barros. Union Twnship, New Jersey. U . S . A .
[Goanet] Goans in Kuwait and the Middle-East keep an eye on your local deposits/savings
Financial crisis moves to Gulf Arab nations October 26, 2008 at 9:24 PM EDT KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait moved Sunday to prop up the country's second-largest commercial bank and scrambled to protect depositors at other domestic banks, dashing hopes the oil-rich Arab Gulf would emerge largely unscathed from the global financial crisis. The central bank halted trading in Gulf Bank shares because of high derivatives losses, just a day after Gulf finance ministers said the region's banks were insulated against the liquidity crisis that has rippled through the global banking industry. The Gulf Bank news also appeared to have pushed the Kuwaiti government to take a step it has so far resisted - guaranteeing deposits. The country currently makes no deposit guarantees. http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081026.wgulf1026/BNStory/Business/home Gulf oil producers cite new urgency for monetary union October 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM EDT RIYADH - Gulf Arab oil producers said they had already taken adequate steps to deal with the impact of the global financial crisis but that turmoil on world markets had given new urgency to their plan for monetary union. Finance ministers and central bank governors of the Gulf Co-operation Council held an emergency meeting on Saturday to discuss co-ordination of their response to a global downturn that threatens to brake their region's six-year economic boom. The states, preparing for a single currency by an unlikely 2010 deadline, emerged from the meeting with few public statements on how they would work together. "The crisis proves how much we need a single currency and that a single central bank should be a supervisory body." Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and four other Gulf states have so far adopted separate policy responses to defrost interbank lending and boost confidence in their stock markets. The GCC also includes Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman. Some Gulf states have guaranteed bank deposits, eased lending restrictions, set up emergency funding facilities for their banks and invested money in ailing stocks. Gulf states are trying to give a renewed push to monetary union after the plan was thrown into disarray by Oman's 2006 decision not to join and Kuwait's 2007 move to drop a dollar peg it had agreed to keep in place until the single currency was achieved. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081025.wgulf1025/BNStory/Business
Re: [Goanet] Lawsuit questions whether Barack Obama
Dear me! In response to a posting by George Pinto, Gabe Menezes challenges Mario. In a private post, Gabe alleges that I tremble to respond to Mario's postings and attack his on this same thread. All I had said was that this thread is NOT Goa-centric. The Goanet Admin team obviously believes otherwise. So, is Gabe discussing Barack Obama or Mario Goveia? If we are discussing Mario, it is Goa-centric unless generations of Goveias have 'doctored' their birth certificates! ;-) If Barack can do it, as alleged by Gabe, any Goan can do it better and cheaper. May be we need to check the aligator's birth certificate to confirm the allegation. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:49:36 +0100 From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lawsuit questions whether Barack Obama Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008/10/24 George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I take it the right-wing does not read or know how to do a simple internet > search, see http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate > George RESPONSE: Come off it my man, anyone can Doctor a birth certificate. Even so my challenge of a wager with Mario still stands. Let's make it a token bet say USD100. How about it? Otherwise Mario, kindly do your chick, chick, chick and scoot. Gabe Menezes. London. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Ref: Babush will never become a minister in my cabinet'
In response to: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] 'Babush will never become a minister in my cabinet' Samir said: Our man (Parrikar) hss broken such promises a number of times. He will cite political compulsions or some such reason. Like all politicians, his promises can't be trusted Freddy says: Promises of Politicians are like rainbows in the skys, come and go in plenty, A rainbow looks nice when ever it appears and we hope it stays there permanently but to our disappointment it does not stay there for long, rainbow is not a fact, it's a phenomena or more rightly a Prism Effect, it is there but not really there, scientifically it is the reflection of light through clear water molecules, some call it myth. What should we call the promises made by our politicians ? Myth or fantasy ? Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] POLL: What do you make of the German girl's case?
What do you make of the German girl's case? [ ] Politicians and their kin to blame [ ] More than meets the eye [ ] Mother-daughter being used for political purposes [ ] 'Clash of civilizations' on Goan beach belt VOTE at: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Polls&file=index&pollID=38 Results of previous POLL: What do you feel about ministerial qualifications in Goa? Ministers lie about their qualifications - 13.64% (21) Education qualifications do not matter - 4.55% (7) Honesty matters, they shouldn't lie - 52.60% (81) This is symptomatic of a wider malaise - 29.22% (45) Total 154 votes cast Goanet POLL http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for October 27, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa promises 400 new Dublin gaming jobs - RTE.ie [Oct 23, 2008] 400 new jobs are expected to be created by computer gaming company Goa in Dublin's Digital Hub. The company is the online games division of French ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1023/jobs.html&cid=1261576116&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNGBOMhEwjCuUzB9I19CIptpMBCmqg *** John Landis to attend IFFI 2008 - Hindu [13 hours ago] "Along with John Landis, his Oscar nominated wife Deborah Nadoolman is also expected to come," Manoj Srivastava, CEO, Entertainment Society of Goa (ESG), ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200810261562.htm&cid=1262275928&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNEXEuE_aw7ibtHo2m1fKhOlkBhjqA *** Goa could lose safe tourist destination tag: tourism minister - SINDH TODAY [Oct 25, 2008] Panaji, Oct 26 (IANS) Tourists, both from India and abroad, have started raising doubts about Goa being a safe destination, state Tourism Minister Francisco ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.sindhtoday.net/south-asia/31224.htm&cid=1261058726&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNFNtXwWJ1Rx_vLWpibYziBrM2xN_w *** I-League Preview: Sporting Clube De Goa Mumbai FC - Goal.com [Oct 23, 2008] The top two in the league clash at the Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, Goa later today as Sporting Clube De Goa host Mumbai FC in a fifth round encounter. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=928625&cid=1261857396&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNEB2HLNAEKAvJovn_aKUNI2TNzwtw *** Goa assault: Cops say 6 accused confess crime - Times of India [Oct 24, 2008] 25 Oct 2008, 0030 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Goa police claimed tohave cracked a case of assault on social activist Aires Rodrigues with the confession of six ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_assault_Cops_say_6_accused_confess_crime/articleshow/3638469.cms&cid=1262150712&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNH690sYMfy-xuKzyw0Ny5XSXXrHrQ *** Karnataka wins title - Hindu [2 hours ago] Hyderabad was third with 16 points followed by Andhra (eight), which beat Goa for its second win, Kerala (2) and Goa (0). The scores: Karnataka 211 in 46.5 ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/27/stories/2008102756801800.htm&cid=1262939939&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNETJ3QzcVDkBb5Jzod71I_B57GErw *** No plans to hand over German rape case to CBI: Goa govt - Times of India [6 hours ago] 26 Oct 2008, 1517 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Goa Government on Sunday said it had not given any thought to handing over the case of the alleged rape of a German ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/German_girl_rape_No_CBI_probe/articleshow/3642816.cms&cid=1262751728&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNHgiPpeNv2ftidAIxsXXBR9EKu6RQ *** A Sublime, Scary Road to Goa - Wall Street Journal [Oct 24, 2008] Kingfisher Airlines also flies from Goa. Travel agents can arrange a car with a driver to take you along the coast. Expect to pay 12 rupees (about 25 cents) ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122488211147467835.html?mod=googlenews_wsj&cid=0&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNE18qFouGbf7pAhxlkkxIvWZ6LcTA *** Former star footballers for intra-Gulf Goan tournament - Gulf Times [1 hour ago] The Goan Welfare Association official said Goa Veterans, a team comprising former international and national players from Goa, is being flown in from the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=250557&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16&cid=0&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNFY7Ag1TBFsjgxSw1tCerJv9NiLDQ *** Holiday bonanza for Goa govt employees - Times of India [Oct 25, 2008] ... Saturday; feast of St Francis Xavier (December 3), Thursday; Goa Liberation Day (December 19), Saturday; and Christmas (December 25), Friday. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Holiday_bonanza_for_Goa_govt_employees/articleshow/3641718.cms&cid=0&ei=fP0ESdGBBo7WggPB7sDtAg&usg=AFQjCNFapzlvsezOhhNmxEfLgQhVElc67w Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Traditional & Modern Narkasurs
Talking Photos: Traditional & Modern Narkasurs Yes, every year the trend is changing from mythological to factual or modern Narkasurs. You name it, there are all types of Narkasurs found now a days. Be it Moving one, dancing or even some sexy narkasur Sexy? You must be joking, Narkasurs supposed to be ugly looking monstors. Ok, that’s how I look at it , I saw one narkasur with sexy breasts (see pic) . I don’t know if there were female narkasurs too. Why not? Are we not all narkasurs? Be is a Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer, Police, Minister, Priests, Bhats, you, me etc That’s includes ladies too. We all have some thing or the other of Narkasurs in us. Nothing? Are you sure? Then you must be a living saint Are you? I don’t know you and you don’t know me (not that I wear a mask). Nobody knows nobody. Ham, except you know you. Don’t you? Just try asking your conscious Ok, coming back to Narkasur effigies .. This years, there were too many narkasurs. Thanks to the sponsorships from politicians etc. All Nakasurs with DJ type of techno blasting music. Are we worshiping narkasur o what? It looks like it. As we all know worshiping Narkasurs is like worshiping devil or demon. We celebrate Narkasur whole night by dancing to the tune of western & bollywood music, eating and drinking like any other party etc Ok, here is a selection of many narkasurs in St. Inez/Tonca Area. In a area say radius of 100 metres there were about 100 narkasurs including seniors and juniors (Each giant Narkasur has upto 3 mini narkasurs). http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2976048854/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2976051928/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2976050292/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2976053612/sizes/l/ Now, you may say, ‘no wishing happy Diwali?’ Wait, I will do it in a video clip which is coming soon Thanks and goodnight [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] World does not revolve around Goa!
When the USA sneezes, the rest of us catch a cold; when our institutions (other than US) through sheer greed get involved in buying monkeys, we all suffer. So you can be sure that when the USA is in convulsions, the rest of the World will also be rocking. So easy to say keep topics Goa centric. I am sure all of you have read the story about Buying/selling of monkeys! At ever inflated prices until the the buyers were left with the monkeysbye bye. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Konkani sayings... via Facebook
The rich know no happiness, the poor no sadness Asloleak na sukh, nasloleak na dukh He who swims for honour, lands in the grave on the morrow Manachea bharan penvta, faleam foddant veta A frog never catches a cold Manddkek, borkonn zaina >From a forthcoming book by Goanetter Valmiki Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. You can join the network and keep abrest via this group on Facebook: Konkani adages, axioms, maxims, idioms and proverbs http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34190402370#/group.php?gid=34190402370 Rgds, FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
Re: [Goanet] How brainwashing is done - a lesson for all
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I am intrigued how Santosh finds articles and news items exposing >hindutva >activities communal. > What I find ill-advised from the standpoint of promoting communal harmony in public forums are over-heated rhetoric, flame baits and sensationalistic comments like the following: "Was Selma entirely off the mark when she commented about an entire new generation being brought up on hate propaganda?" .Marshall Mendonza "Wonder what would be the response of sangh parivar sympathisers to these happenings." .Marshall Mendonza "P.S. Statutory Warning: all apologists for the sangh parivar may treat this report as 'partisan propaganda' and/ or 'rumour mongering'" .Marshall Mendonza I would also regard the following insinuations in the form of rhetorical questions to be ill-advised: "Would he consider all exposes/news itews on violent activities communal or only those related to hindutva? Would speaking of violent activities of other groups like SIMI, naxalites be considered nationalistic and level headed?" .Marshall Mendonza Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] ALERT:Now we have a Goa Industrial Development (Amendment) Ordinance 2008 !!
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED. - --- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- *---* GOVERNMENT OF GOA Department of Law & Judiciary Legal Affairs Division Notification 8/7/2008-LA The Goa Industrial Development (Amendment) Ordinance, 2008 (Ordinance No. 7 of 2008), which has been promulgated by the Governor of Goa on 1st October 2008 is hereby published for general information of the public. Sharad G. Marathe, Joint Secretary (Law) Porvorim 3rd Oct 2008 - The Goa Industrial Development (Amendment) Ordinance, 2008 (Ordinance No. 7 of 2008) Promulgated by the Governor of Goa in the Fifty- -ninth Year of the Republic of India. An Ordinance further to amend the Goa Industrial Development Act, 1965 (Act 22 of 1965). Whereas the Legislative Assembly of the State of Goa is not in session and the Governor of Goa is satisfied that circumstances exist which render it necessary for him to take immediate action. Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by clause (1) of Article 213 of the Constitution of India, the Governor of Goa is pleased to promulgate the following Ordinance, namely:— 1. Short title and commencement.— (1) This Ordinance may be called the Goa Industrial Development (Amendment) Ordinance, 2008. (2) It shall come into force at once. 2. *Amendment of section 2**.*— In section 2 of the Goa Industrial Development Act, 1965 (Act 22 of 1965) (hereinafter referred to as the "principal Act"), for clause (e), *the following **clause shall * *be substituted, namely:—* "(e) "Development" with its grammatical variations, means the carrying out of building, engineering, quarrying, mining or other operations, in, on, over, or under land, or the making of any material change of any building or land, and includes re-development and "to develop" shall be construed accordingly". 3. *Amendment of section 13**.*— In section 13 of the "principal Act", after clause (b), *the following **clause shall be inserted, namely:—* "(c) undertake mining and infrastructure for mining development and such other related activities within India subject to provision of law"; Dr. Shivinder Singh Sidhu Governor of Goa. Place: Raj Bhawan, Dona Paula. Date: 1-10-2008. -- Series I No.27 Extraordinary - Page No. 971 Price Rs.1 Government Printing Press, Panaji - Goa -- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Goanet] Lawsuit questions whether Barrack Obama was born in U.S.A.
Dear Goanetters, Why oh why are we wasting so much space for the above questions on Goanet about U.S.A. We have enough problems in Goa to talk about. The brutal attack on Aires and Prajal, not so honest Goan ministers whose names appear on goonda lists of the police, the disappearance of Rohit Monseratte, questions like do his parents not worry about him and his whereabouts. I would certainly be worried if my son or my daughter disappeared like that. I would be worried about his state of his mind, or what we could do about the ministers who are on the police goonda list. There are several topics that we could discuss on Goanet and not be worried about U.S.A. It,s a vast country and it will sort it self out Thanks Ignatius Fernandes _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] VIDEO:Wild Goans birdwatching at Miramar, Panjim: Oct 26, 2008
Bosco, does your comment suggest that Goans were not "interested in Nature" in the past? Maybe only the ways they showed this interest differed. And also the reasons for them doing so... Domnic has a nice chapter in his book, about the manner in which Goans of the past lived in the lap of nature, so to speak FN PS: The "interest in Nature" is still alive, perhaps not diminished either. Just that it doesn't have a voice. Guys like Clinton and his contemporaries are doing a good job to give this a new impetus, by taking it to Facebook. 2008/10/26 Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Nice to see so many Goans interested in Nature. Looking forward to seeing a > budding Goan ornithologist. Clinton Vaz - Well done, as usual!! > -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] MY CHALLENGE TO BABUSH
frank dcruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I cant believe this! THE SO CALLED EDUCATION MINISTER IN GOA DOES NOT EVEN HAVE AN SSC CERTIFICATE, GOD HELP US ALL --- Reply: That is what I have been saying from the very beginning. - Illiterate MLAs It is the people of Goa who have to find out about these people before they vote as MLAs. WHAT ARE THE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST DOING IN GOA. I suppose the Goa papers are not interested in the welfare of Goa. ED.
[Goanet] Ref: CID has listed names of Babush and Joquim in Goondas
In response to: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:54:14 -0400 From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] CID has listed names of Babush and Joquim in Goondas list! While reading this article my mobile chimed out the song "I am proud to be a Goan" unfortunately the irony, of this article and the consequent ringing of my mobile made me to change the ring tone with embarrassment. We are proud to be Goans because we have it all in Goa, the drug mafia, the gangsters, murderers, rapists, the scam artists and above all a Government full of in house goondas. Do we really have to worry ? Hell No !! Why should we when we have ELECTED such an illustrious group of people to take care of Goa ! I won't be surprised if the Education Minister comes up, with a new subject from the school level, which will teach students how to be successful politicians without any educational qualification just by sear muscle power and arrogance Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] What was that about Gram Sabhas again?
Some months ago, we entered into a long debate about the noble role that Gram Sabhas would play in Goa in restoring democracy and returning it to the people. Today, unfortunately, members of the Gram Sabhas were instrumental in disrupting the Gram Sabha and getting Venita Coelho arrested. Having met Venita, I can assure you this dainty lady is not capable of physically hurting a fly, and the very thought of the police arresting her is beyond ridiculous. But I believe, I was a lone voice on Goanet who repeatedly said that democracy has certain established routes, and by giving Gram Sabhas a role which they are ill-equipped to handle will only undermine the cause of democracy and not restore it to its full potential. I now rest my case. Selma --- On Sun, 10/26/08, augusto pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: augusto pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] Venita Coelho Arrested > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:23 PM > At today's Gram Sabha of Moira, Venita Coelho was > arrested by the police. > > -- > Augusto Pinto > 40, Novo Portugal, > Moira, Bardez, > Goa, India > E [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > P 0832-2470336 > M 9881126350
Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings
I would like to ask Querobino in which hole she is putup in, as she seems to be not aware of the level of corruption in Goa until now. And who are those 'we' she says talks about? Secondly Samir makes a valid point of Q studdenly sproughting from nowhere. I am not aware of any posts from her either. Come election time and more will sprout on goanet and then go in slumber until the next. hAVE a nICE dAY Seb From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Can you tell a bit about yourself ? Which part of Goa are you from, what you do etc ? After all, you have suddenly sprouted from nowhere into Goa net. (Correct me if I am wrong but I didnt see posts from you before). regards, Samir From: Querobino Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings I m living in the one and only Goa. I am not sure what you read but i did not say there was no Corruption in Goa. All I said was that we were not aware of the amount of corruption in Goa and that maybe you would be able to enlighten us. By the way, the corruption in Goa is Viva Goa Querobino
Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings
From: "Querobino Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not having a go at the Media. The media persons are only doing their job - keeping us Goans informed. But we should have both sides of the story !! We are only getting what one side says If the media persons are doing their job and keeping us informed. What are you doing?? providing the otherside of the story on GOANET! Don't you think you are in the wrong place and should be writing in the local Newspapers doing the otherside of the story A humble request to all those posting on this matter...please don't get personal...we are all trying to save our Goan name !!! I don't know why? but this topic seems to interest you more than anything on Goanet, that you even came out of the hole you were in to take personal interest and to post all those contradictory statements until now. What you thought? Goans outside Goa don't? VIVA GOA Querobino hAVE a nICE dAY Seb
[Goanet] Venita Coelho Arrested
At today's Gram Sabha of Moira, Venita Coelho was arrested by the police. -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] A Goan mother based in Germany responds
In response to my post "where are the Goan mothers" re: the German girl's rape and the Miramar scandal, here is what a Goan mother based in Germany has written. -- Yes, that was good writing, Samir! The Indian women are scared of scandal, perhaps. The German mothers don't look at it as scandal. They look at it as rape. An innocent child, even if she was bullied and told it's okay to have sex at that age, or confused and agreed to have sex at 13 or 14, the mother sees it as rape and that is not a scandal. I hope the mother sticks to her guns even if it is a foreign country for her. My blessing with her, I'm a Goan mother living in Germany. Warm wishes,
[Goanet] Common civil code
Shri F E Noronha has argued very commendably and most consciously in favour of common civil law.But under present political scenario no politician will be interested into such unthinkable laws.Politicians today want to play with lives of innocent citizen.Otherwise Bihar and Uttar Pradesh would not have remained uneducated even after sixty years of independence.There is no end till a nuclear war wipes out the illiteracy amongst the humans and restarts life with literacy. Shyam V.Bale,Mumbai.
[Goanet] CONFIDENTIAL SURVEY - Places of worship in Goa.
Quote ."The recent spate of desecration of “Hindu” religious places of worship in South Goa has resulted in an outcry by certain organizations on the security aspect of the temples and religious places. These "organisations" have called upon the administration to take steps to protect the places of worship , on the grounds that such incidents create panic and tension in the minds of people flaring up communal tension resulting in breakdown of law and order." The District Administration in order to curb such instances in South Goa District ordered a “confidential survey” to be conducted through the “revenue intelligence wing “ of the administration on all the religious places of worship in order to eliminate such incidences of desecrecation as per a " Memorandum" marked Most Immediate - Confidential dated 18/10/2008. Hence all Sub-Divisional Magistrate and Executive Magistrates of the South Goa District were directed to conduct a "confidential meeting of the Talathis " to get the information pertaining to religious places giving particulars viz; a) Name of the place of worship, b) religion to which it belongs, c) type of such place viz; temple "Ghumti" church chapel mosque dargah etc d) area of the structure, and property e) exact location of the religious place, f) whether the same is registered under any Act or law g)the days dates of month when people assemble in large numbers in the vicinity of the place h) whether any managing committee is constituted and if so details of the same viz address contact number, i) whether there was any religious tensions had occurred in the past pertaining to the place j) the predominant minority community k) name and contact number of four volunteers in the locality l) whether any security system is provided and functional, for the religious place, and m) any other information . The information was required to be furnished to the Office of the Collector/District Magistrate on or before 24th October, 2008 in soft copy version. Now according to unconfirmed reports obtained from the Collectorate this evening. this has been complied with but What has however surpised many is that a) the whole excercise has been conducted in top secrecy when ideally heads of religious orders of the various communities Hindus Catholics and Muslims could have been roped in to provide the Informationm; b) there is no distinction made between the pre-Liberation places of worship (conceding that the period of Inquisition between 1560 to 1812 was a condemnable aberration in our history) and the post Liberation places of worship c) it is not clear how the survey will distinguish "places of worship" being set up only to legitimise illegal occupation of land belonging to "gaunkaries" communidade, private land holders mainly abseentee landowners and on government land put up with political backing and without following the laws of the land; The secrecy adds further doubts over the intention of the coalition government as this comes at a time when the ruling dispensation a coalition of sorts was receiving flak for failure of the administration to avert such incidences of desecration of places of worship ( though this has begun well since 2004 after the BJP led coalition took over the Treasury benches technically sans mandate of the people). That there is a sinister political design behind such vandalisation "is clear from the fact " that such acts were committed in the tribal belt "van vasis", and the non Brahmin Hindu (Bhandari samaj ) areas (Bhandari samaj ) of Sanguem, Curchorem, Bambolim, Ponda, Chodan, Quepem, Paroda and Cuncolim and on some deities proped up in illegal hutments and migrant settlements. The Government has already constituted a Special Investigation Team (SIT) and also announced a monetary reward to those involved in the desecretion of temple/"ghumties" . The arrest of a Hindu migrant from Karnataka allegedly involved in the "Rakhandar Ajoba deity" which was desecrated at Cuncolim on the eve of Dussehra is indeed a welcome step and the police ought to deserve compliments --but the secrecy over compilation of the list is in itself remains suspect. Many also argue that the country is a secular state and does not recognise any official religion .. Further the state Governments enjoys exclusive jurisdiction in the maintainenace of law and order. Then why does the administration not excercise its jurisdiction appropriately? Is it the fear of a fundamentalist backlash from either the Hindu, Christian or Moslem community? or is the soft peddling merely owing the political interference with the law enforcing machinery? This has caused apprehension and fear in the minds of the citizens who hitherto enjoyed religious "tolerance" (though not "harmony" as is commonly believed and definitely not post Liberation ) of all communities due the dereliction of duties by the Sta
[Goanet] How brainwashing is done - a lesson for all
Santosh wrote: In stark contrast to this type of sensationalist assertions that we have been overdosed with on Goanet - assertions that might serve only to polarize Goanetters along communal lines, appended below is a sober-minded and thoughtful article by Eduardo Faleiro. This article was forwarded to me by a level-headed mainstream Goan who rightly believes that the best way to tackle the problem of communal riots and violent religious extremism is to make it a "right thinking Goan of whatever denomination vs violent Hindutva extremists" issue, rather than a "Catholic Goan activists vs whoever they imagine to be supporters of violent Hindu extremists" issue. Comment: I am intrigued how Santosh finds articles and news items exposing hindutva activities communal. Does he too equate hindutva with hinduism? Does he believe that the sangh parivar represents hindus? Does he believe that one should be blind to hindutva disruptionist activities? Would he consider all exposes / news itews on violent activities communal or only those related to hindutva? Would speaking of violent activities of other groups like SIMI, naxalites be considered nationalistic and level headed? I think he is missing the wood for the trees. -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
Re: [Goanet] VIDEO:Wild Goans birdwatching at Miramar, Panjim: Oct 26, 2008
Nice to see so many Goans interested in Nature. Looking forward to seeing a budding Goan ornithologist. Clinton Vaz - Well done, as usual!! - Bosco
[Goanet] Diwali Greetings
On this day of Festival of Lights 2008, the Goa Su-Raj Party wishes the Indian World over a very happy and joyous Diwali. May the intensity of the lights be such that it does not blind certain people to the realities of universal brotherhood. goasuraj www.goasu-raj.org 9890470896 -- We need to come to terms that POLITICS, Which acutely affects our daily lives, Can also be CLEAN.
[Goanet] I have Rs. 5 lacs. Please help!
Hi Joe, Is it 1% more for 60 and above, or .5%? Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna Bardez, Goa-403 509 Mob: 09420979201 Resident/Domestic up to 10.5 % 60 and above get upto 1% more JoeGoaUk (masked) _ Want to explore the world? Visit MSN Travel for the best deals. http://in.msn.com/coxandkings
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What is it that makes them so? Is it their genes, > > upbringing, caste, color of the skin or religion? > > Ah! you're the scientist. This sort of analysis is your > forte, I should think. > I am not the one who believes that most of my fellow Indians are inferior to or immoral compared to the rest of humanity. You, on the other hand, appear to believe so. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Goan mutations: HERALD(Goa), Oct 26, 2008
Checking every now and then the details of your property on On-Line Form I & XIV or obtaining a computerized Form I & XIV from a 'Mahiti Ghar' is not enough. You must also obtain a hand-written Form I & XIV from your concerned Talathi; it is one of the requirements when applying for deletion of previous owner's name. If you don't do that, you could be in for a surprise, as there is every possibility the Talathi may have been bribed and he may have added new name(s) or even entered deceased party's siblings' name(s) on the Form, in case of an 'Inventario'! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna Bardez, Goa-403 509 Mob: 09420979201 There are instances where the occupants/tenants names changed without the knowledge of the original owners. Hence, I had earlier advised to regularly check the details of your property on Form I & XIV which can now be done online no matter where in the world your are. Check this out http://egov.goa.nic.in/dslr/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Want to explore the world? Visit MSN Travel for the best deals. http://in.msn.com/coxandkings
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Oil Wells and Paddy Fields: The Lost Generation of Kuwait's Goans
Oil Wells and Paddy Fields: The Lost Generation of Kuwait's Goans By R. Benedito Ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] We were soon to cross that line, my sister and I, the line that separates passengers with boarding passes from those that come to see them off. Our father we would leave behind in Kuwait and take a plane to our mother in Goa, who had left to go there first. It was the last time I would see the country where I was born. The loss I felt was deep. Yet, little did I at that moment know that another loss should have been mourned. Not that of the fall of Kuwait two years later to the Iraqi invasion, nor just for the way in which its US-led liberation heralded other wars to come, but for Goa -- the one that was my homeland but not my home, the one that was my birthright but not the place in which I was born, the one that would never be the same. * * * The year was 1990. Satellite and cable had not yet made their debut in Goan households; instead, we saw snippets of CNN relays on Doordarshan. Together, my family watched anxiously as the television revealed images of the Kuwait we once knew, now ravished and barely recognizable. War was imminent. My father had barely missed the Iraqi invasion, but other relatives and friends were still unaccounted for. 'Kuwaitkara', or Goans from Kuwait, suddenly exiled to Goa, found themselves 'home' in the most difficult and unexpected circumstances. It was particularly awkward for second generation Goan Kuwaitis. Kuwait had always been 'home', and Goa was that place their parents subjected them to during annual vacations. After a certain age, they no longer had the desire of children waiting to see their grandparents, the glee of being allowed to draw water from the kitchen well, or even the thrill of being taken for a pillion seat ride on a noisily powerful motorcycle. Even as their parents hoped that making their offspring visit Goa regularly would help retain a connection, they had also been complicit in reinforcing their children's sense of difference. Goa was that idyllic yet economically backward location the older generation had left behind for jobs in the Gulf. They loved Goa, but in the 1960s, post-Portuguese liberation, jobs were scarce. The Middle East, on the other hand, with its newfound black gold, oil, promised a future. Newly affluent, those foreign countries needed labor, their own populations too small or inexperienced to support their burgeoning economies and growing infrastructure. This presented the problem of how Gulf countries would retain control and protect their small indigenous communities from being dwarfed by large numbers of foreign workers. The solution was to not allow jus solis citizenship to the newcomers, instilling a de facto apartheid system that privileged jus sanguinis citizenship -- even those born in Kuwait who were not of Kuwaiti blood could never become nationals. Despite this, Goans of my parents' generation had created for themselves a home in Kuwait. Democratic societies that allow jus solis citizenship might often be thought of as more amenable to the idea of diversity, hence less racist. However, intertwined economic and racial stratification in such countries undercuts those assumptions. Comparably, countries like Kuwait, while undeniably prejudiced (for example, though there are laws to protect guest workers, Americans and Europeans often hold higher ranks than qualified non-whites of other nationalities), make no pretence of promoting diversity. This is hardly to suggest that the latter case is ideal, either. Even though the laws of their employing country made clear their outsider status, Goans, like immigrants and foreign guest workers worldwide, went about their lives not letting their limited status impinge upon their development of community and opportunity. Simultaneously, Goans' upward mobility in Kuwait allowed bragging rights in Goa, and their children could be afforded new prospects which set them apart from their 'country' cousins. One of the ways in which this diasporic difference was marked was that Goan Kuwaitis of my generation never formally learned to speak Konkani. While our elders may have spoken Konkani to each other at home, they generally never imparted instruction in it to their children by speaking to them in this language or by creating institutions for its study. We learned English and other European languages, Arabic, and Hindi, but never our own tongue, bearing sad testament to the ways in which Konkani has often been accorded less than its due as a vehicle that is at once traditional and an on-going chronicle of inter-generational cultural connection. While not set up for the express purpose of acculturating Goan and other Indian youth in the ways of the homeland,
[Goanet] Archbishop's Message on Diwali
We extend to our Hindu brothers and sisters our cordial greetings on the occasion of Diwali, the Festival of Lights. Ushered in by confining the Narkasur - the demon of darkness - to flames, the feast proclaims the victory of the light of goodness over the power of evil. This affirmation is all the more necessary in the present difficult times the community in Goa is going through. Highly to be commended is the reported restraint with which they expressed their displeasure, once more giving victory to the light of patience, tolerance and peace over the demon of hatred, anger, prejudice and ignorance. Let this Festival be an occasion to all Goans for a renewed commitment to build a society of harmony and peace through dialogue and the faithful witness to our respective religious precepts and teachings. + Filipe Neri Ferrao Archbishop of Goa and Daman Archbishop's House, Panjim, Goa, October 26, 2008 http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1105
Re: [Goanet] How brainwashing is done - a lesson for all
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is it any wonder that commumal strife if only getting aggravated? Was >Selma >entirely off the mark when she commented about an entire new >generation being >brought up on hate propaganda? > In stark contrast to this type of sensationalist assertions that we have been overdosed with on Goanet - assertions that might serve only to polarize Goanetters along communal lines, appended below is a sober-minded and thoughtful article by Eduardo Faleiro. This article was forwarded to me by a level-headed mainstream Goan who rightly believes that the best way to tackle the problem of communal riots and violent religious extremism is to make it a "right thinking Goan of whatever denomination vs violent Hindutva extremists" issue, rather than a "Catholic Goan activists vs whoever they imagine to be supporters of violent Hindu extremists" issue. Cheers, Santosh Mainstream, Vol XLVI No 44 ON GOA AND THE CHALLENGES BEFORE IT by Eduardo Faleiro, 25 October 2008 http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article993.html The last few decades have witnessed vast changes in political ideology and economic policies across the world. People of different countries have been affected differently but always in a significant manner everywhere. Goa has achieved remarkable progress since independence. The greatest gain of independence, however, has been the feeling of self-respect regained, of liberation, the opening of the portals of opportunity particularly to the vast mass of people who were denied upward mobility over the centuries and perhaps the millennia. Some of the questions that have concerned Goan society in recent times arise from what may be called “overdevelopment” or unregulated development. Mass tourism and package tourism have transformed the landscape of Goa. Rural areas in the coastal belt look more like crowded Western cities than Goan villages. There are some areas in our State which have been taken over almost entirely by foreigners. The “rest and recreation” sought by some of them may involve things not permitted in their own country. In some Western societies, material needs have been fulfilled and people look for “psychic gratification”. There is a mushrooming of “experience” industries which sometimes include in their programmes absolute sexual freedom, use of drugs, etc. Many such “experience-makers” settle in Third World countries. Uncontrolled settlement of foreigners may lead to serious “culture shock” which is detrimental. Most tourists are middle-class families who come here for the sun and sand and they should be welcomed. Tourism ought to be managed in a manner that benefits our people not just in the short term but also in the long run. The economic benefits as well as the social costs need to be evaluated. It is perhaps necessary to formulate a development strategy which provides employment to the local people whilst being less dependent on tourism. Mega construction projects have had a negative impact on the lifestyle of the local population. Mega buildings which destroy the rural environment should not be permitted. There is apprehension on the influx of outsiders into our State. We call “outsiders”, the people from other States of India who are here mostly for employment. Replacement migration happens when outsiders meet the requirements of the local community, locals not being available in sufficient numbers either because they themselves migrate to other countries and other parts of our country or because they do not possess the required skills. The Department of NRI Affairs is in the process of analysing Goan migration worldwide and replacement migration into Goa. The first report will be released by the end of this year. ♦ THE growth of religious extremism and communal violence is a matter of great concern and anxiety. Organisations and individuals who are involved in or promote communal discord and strife must be punished most severely. On the other hand, leaders of all major religious communities in the country should discuss this subject among themselves and reach an agreement in the interest of religious harmony. The Catholic Church condemns proselytism which it defines as the conscious effort to win members of other religious denominations. Organised attempts at mass conversion or re-conversion backed by financial and/or political power can have an explosive backlash to the point of undermining public order. For this reason, in September 1995, the World Council of Churches, which represents the major Protestant denominations, and the Catholic Church agreed on a document, “The Challenge of Proselytism and the Calling of Common Witness”. The document refers to “serious concerns about tension and conflicts created by proselytism in nearly all parts of the world”. It mentions “instances in the developing world in which proselytism takes advantage of people‘s m
[Goanet] Voodoo Economics (Part II - Final)
Voodoo Economics (Part II - Final) An often repeated claim by conservatives is "Lower tax rates increases tax revenues". On the face of it, one cannot refute the actual numbers. This occurred in the Kennedy administration. So conservatives keep repeating this mantra. This has been repeated on this site more often than many would care to read. So what is wrong with this? Answer - PLENTY. If only lower tax rates increases tax revenues by stimulating the economy, that would be great! However Republican administrations and conservatives, using this cliche, have been pulling the wool over our eyes. So why is it wrong when Republican administration use this economic philosophy? Answer: The Government resorts to reducing taxes and relies on "Borrow and Spend". As stated in the prior post on this thread, President Reagan, used the Supply Side economics and believed in the Laffer Curve. He had a 40 percent increase in defense spending and the Federal debt in his eight years tripled going from 700 billion-dollars to 3 trillion-dollars. Contrary to the "Supply Side theory" the Reagan government revenues decreased by 1 percent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_(president) So what is wrong with that? Is not that better than the "Tax and Spend" Democrats? I am no expert on economics. But recently this was explained to me. When govt spends, the money goes to individuals as payment for goods and service. The former transaction generates a sales tax; and the latter generates income tax and many other taxes (payroll, social security, etc). The money the government pumps into economy creates a 'Ripple Effect' as this money circulates through the economy and population. This in-turn repeatedly generates income tax, sales tax, etc, etc. It is estimated that the govt takes back in taxes about 60% of the amount the government pumps into the economy. As an example: When the govt does not pump money into the economy, it would get back nothing in taxes / revenues. So the govt borrows 100 dollars from the Chinese to pump into the US economy and collects 60 dollars (as increased tax revenues). The problem with "Borrow and Spend"; which Republican administrations do (through deficits), the govt may get back sixty dollars. But it still owes the Chinese one hundred dollars plus interest on that borrowed money. The increased tax revenues (if any) has nothing to do with lower tax rates. It has all to do with increased govt spending. And it is a disaster when that govt spending is "borrowed" money. So since Ronald Regan the administrations have cumulatively bankrupted the USA; and "WE" the otherwise "patriotic Americans" have transferred American wealth overseas as international debt. Reagan was supported and cheered for his economic policies by Americans-at-large by being re-elected; winning in 49 of the fifty states. The voodoo economics of the Federal Govt is compounded by similar economic principles adopted by many corporations. The Principle: "Spend money the corporation does not have." And in many cases "the money the corporation did not borrow." The best example was Bear Sterns which had 36 dollars in debt for every dollar in asset. The "money" was a "number entered on the books." A similar scenario was seen with Enron, Worldcom and many others. The govt. loves what these corporations do, including the exorbitant pay scales of the top management. All this "phantom money" (stock options, etc) and "creative financing" only generates more taxes for the govt. and grows the GDP (Gross Domestic Product). The sub-prime mortgage is another version of 'Voodoo Economics on steroids'. Here individuals bought homes with money they do not have and cannot afford. They were facilitated by bank-lenders, backed by several institutions along a vertical chain, who lent money that, these institutions did not have. Among new tricks the accounting wizards use to create 'phantom money' are "Credit Default Swaps" and other creative financial instruments like "Derivatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_default_swap Borrowing money, spending and living like a rich person does not make the person rich. In fact this makes the individual more poor. Because now there is the debt as well as interest on the debt that has to be repaid. Sooner or later the "chickens come home to roost." Greenspan was appointed by Reagan as Federal Reserve Chairman and served for eighteen and-a-half years. He stepped down in 2006. In his recent testimony to Congress, Greenspan called "the Banking and Housing chaos a 'once-in-a-century credit tsunami' that led to a breakdown in how the free market system functions. And he warned that things would get worse before they get better, with rising unemployment and no stabilization in housing prices for many months." Sorry to paint a jaundiced picture of Voodoo Economics. "Phantom" conservatives have been feeding us that "Supply
[Goanet] Voodoo discussions
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Before I proceed, many will know that economics is not my specialty. > Mario observes: > This is pretty obvious. I'm not sure what your objective is. Economics is a complex subject that combines philosophy, technology and human behavior with politics as a complicating factor. Preferences vary from extreme socialism to capitalism with hybrid systems in between. Professionals and academics spend a lifetime trying to research the data and till disagree widely. > For an economist to debate you on economics is like you trying to debate with an economist whether Chiropractic or Acupuncture is better than Orthopedics in treating back pain. Or whether homeopathy is superior to alopathy. > The following are two views of the Reagan years: > http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120 > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_/ai_6542220 >
[Goanet] VOA News - Indian Americans Play Increasingly Pivotal Role in US Elections
Howdy Goanetters. http://www.voanews.com/english/NewsAnalysis/2008-10-16-voa15.cfm Is the Hindutva voice strong in the U.S.? How many times have Narendra Modi and suchlike been guest speakers at functions for Indian Americans? U.S. Intelligence Agencies should pay attention to the comings and goings of Hindu fanatics who should be behind bars for inciting violence against Christians, destroying the peace, and making life miserable for Christians in India. GOAN AMERICANS TELL YOUR GOVERNMENT TO DENY VISAS TO THE HINDUTVA BRIGADE.TELL AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH. Thanks. rubygoes
Re: [Goanet] Lawsuit questions whether Barack Obama was born in the USA
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Every country in the world allows its citizens to contest every political position. The US is the only country that has two types of citizens: Type A: Citizens that can run for every political office in the country. Type B: Citizens that are disbarred from running for political office. > Mario responds: > Once again, we see Mervyn deliberately misrepresenting the truth about the US when he writes, "Every country in the world allows its citizens to contest every political position." > If Mervyn had any interest in the truth he could have found the following: > http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/2004/03/india-born-can-be-italys-pm.html > Excerpt: > Fourteen countries bar naturalised citizens from high office while the remaining four bar non-native born citizens only from the presidency but not other high office. [end of excerpt] > Most countries don't even allow aliens to become citizens as our Goans in the Gulf can attest to. Talk about being second class citizens. > Mervyn himself was a third class citizen in Tanzania. > In the US the ONLY positions that a foreign born citizen like myself, cannot run for office is President and Vice President. > Once again, Goanetters can make up their own minds about the narrowness and/or veracity of Mervyn's commentary when he writes: > The US is the only country that has two types of citizens: Type A: Citizens that can run for every political office in the country. Type B: Citizens that are disbarred from running for political office. > This is just the latest example of what I have now shown in post after post, that we must be very careful about anything that Mervyn writes, especially about the US and the financial markets. >
[Goanet] VOA News - UNHCR Helping Iraqi Christians in North, Syria
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-10-24-voa31.cfm Goanetters, CHRISTIANS IN INDIA ALSO NEED ASSISTANCE. AGREED? RubyGoes
[Goanet] I have Rs. 5 lacs. Please help!
I have Rs.5 lacs, please help An answer to a question put by some one on yahoo answers. Quote: I m a NRI (living in US),age-30yrs,how can i invest in FD (in india) for abt 5 lakhs without being Taxed? === Hi interesting question. Well, open an NRE a/c with a bank and invest your 5 lac in FD for 2years (auto-renewal). and get about Rs.40,000 more on maturity, on which you pay no tax. Or open resident/domestic a/c and for the same amount/ same period (2 years) get about Rs.1,10,000 but the bank will pay you after deducting TDS say 10% i.e. 1,10,000 les 11,000 tax you you get about Rs.99,000 which is more than the double than what you would have got on NRE a/c FD as mentioned above. Want to save tax? or don't want to pay any tax? Try splitting your 5 lacs into 5 or 6 Say Rs. 85,000 each Invest into 5/6 different banks (not same branches of the banks) You will have to open 5/6 diff a/c with diff banks. And don't tell anyone that I told you about this (splitting or tax saving) :-) It may not be ethical but people do it all the time including almost all those who pay income tax. By law you are still liable to pay tax on all your income from all the sources including income from various banks. But Bank will not deduct your tax if the annual income from the total FDs in the bank is below the threshold say Rs.10,000 Fyi, Current rates of interest: NRE 3.75% Resident/Domestic up to 10.5 % 60 and above get upto 1% more please note I am not a financial consultant etc But I am very much into bank savings PS. In india, you don't pay tax on your first 1,10,000 personal income That's your basic tax allowance. JoeGoaUk (masked) Find it at yahoo http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081024105908AAzijL5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goan mutations: HERALD(Goa), Oct 26, 2008
[Goanet] Goan mutations: HERALD(Goa), Oct 26, 2008 Quote http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/082715.html == Thank you Valmiki for taking up this topic. Believe me or not, quite sometime now, I too was thinking to come up with the same may be in the form of FAQs or in 2-3 parts as you did. Time did not permit me but I would have done by next month. Now that you have done it, let me put my comments as a top up to your article/problems facing at the time of applying for Mutation. What is mutation? It refers to form I & XIV (see a copy below) In other words, it is nothing but adding a new name, usually by deleting old name/s on the existing Form I & XIV. (Form I & XIV is a document which tells you about the particular land/area (under Survery No & Sub. Div No), whether it is a cultivable on un-cultivable, total area/size, the Occupant/s (The owner/s), tenant/s, other rights holders (if any) .See a copy below Who is an occupant? The legal owner/s whose name appear on sales deed as purchaser etc e.g Landlords, Church/fabricas, communidade, you or your parents or your grandparents etc When you buy a piece of land in a developed project having about 100 plots, after the mutation, your name will appear amongst the 100 other occupants in the Form I&XIV (provided none of them got their individual plot ‘partitioned’ which is the next lengthy process after mutation) Tenants are those who live there (in the same property) and look after the property etc e.g. mundkars Other rights holders are those who are not tenants but whose house is located in the said property. E.g. those slums in communidade land or other government property or those houses which were built say over 30 years ago with the permission of the landlord. When we apply for Mutation? After purchasing a piece of land. Get sales deed done, wait for about a week to get your sales deed docs from the registrar. Why Mutation? Since you are a new owner now, you have to request for inclusion of your name by deleting the name of the seller (previous owner/s). How do we apply for Mutations? What’s the procedure? Write a plain letter requesting for mutation. 1 Attested sales deed copy 1 latest copy of Form I & XIV 1 certified copy of Court order (if any) Make a file and hand over to the Talati of Mutation at taluka Mamladar’s office. (note: Talathi you find at your Panchayat is different from the Talthi of Mutation) But the office, they will tell you to add more docs etc and it depend on persons/clerks, taluka etc as it seems different rules to different talukas. Lets take Panaji office (Tiswadi Taluka with Goa Velha, Bambolim Siridao, Agxi, Neura, Panjim, Taleigao, Merces etc etc) There is a little fellow with little hands but very big mouth clerk with no smile on his face in the Computer section of the Mutation dept. When I went there with the above 2 documents, he told me to put it in a file. After presenting the file, he then told me to fill in a sort of a check list ‘details for application for mutation’ which is available at the outside kiosk for Rs.10 (it was just a one page photocopy). After that he said bring one blank but stamped envelope with AD (Rs.25) which he say is required for their records. When asked what records? He said (with ugly face) simply do it as said. I requested if they could accept my file and that I could hand in the envelope tomorrow. He says ‘no way’. Fine, I hired a motorbike and went to the Post office which is at near old Pato bridge. When I presented the file this time, he would still not accept it saying file the docs in the file properly. I could do it myself if I had a hole-punch. I request for it, he says ‘their hole-punch’ is missing since morning. I told just keep it and DIY when found. He would simply not accept it. Then I went to the Mamlatdar office to see if I could one, asked three different person they don’t have it and the fourth one pointed me out another officer saying that he has it. I politely asked him and he was kind enough to lend me after talking it out from his locked cupboard. A ha , my file is finally accepted after 3hrs of ordeal. I was told to come back after 8 days to collect a notice of which I had to make photo copies and post by regd./Ad to all the name occupants in the form I & XIV. Note: At Vasco/Murmugao, they do not ask for Stamped Envelope, don’t ask for ‘check list’ but they differ on other matter/procedures… To continue… Form I & XIV http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/2973624791/sizes/l/ It is usually a one page document but if the no. of occupants/tenants/other rights holders are more then it coul go yp to 5 pages or more. It is available on the spot at the kiosks ‘Mahiti Ghar’. Just give them the Survey No with Sub.div No. and the taluka and the village. If you give wrong info, there is a charge of Rs.5 called ‘search charges’ Usually, Form I & XIV cost, I th
[Goanet] GGRM condemns violent assault on activists
The Ganv Ghor Rakhon Manch (GGRM) strongly condemns the violent and cowardly attack on Mr. C.S. Barretto of Assagao village . The GGRM would like to draw to the attention of the Goan people and media that this attacks on Goan activists are being mounted by the builder lobby and those supporting them . GGRM has pointed out that there have been attacks on activists for a while now. This has included the police harassment meted out to activists in Benaulim,Anjuna,Colva to name a few including the search at Cortalim for supposed 'terrorists'; it includes the violence visited on anti-mining activists, the violent attacks on peaceful demonstrators in Quepem on the 11th of October, and their subsequent illegitimate arrest and detention. The GGRM points out that it sees this attack as an attempt to silence and subdue the village activicts by creating a fear pysicois in the minds of the villagers and the People of Goa who are making every atytempt to protect the goan identity and their right to the way the way of life . Speaking on behalf of its members, the GGRM points out though that they would not be cowed down by such attacks and would continue to speak up in a democratic and non-violent manner against vested interest seeking to convert public wealth into private profits. The GGRM also indicates that it is time for the State and official organs like the police to step up and bring the offenders to task and to enforce a social environment where peaceful and democratic protests can continue in security. For too long now, as in the cases cited above, the State has been complicit in these acts of aggression against its citizens.Thus encouriging these attacks to continue . s/d Geraldine Fernandes Convenor Ganv Ghor Rakhon Manch -- check ou www.ganvghor.blogspot.com GANV GHOR RAKHONN MANCH is an increasing collective of all village groups who are fighting to protect lives, livelihoods and environment in their villages
[Goanet] edwardlopes7 sent you a playlist: "Ko nkani Comedy clippings"
edwardlopes7 has shared a video playlist with you on YouTube. This is excellent! Konkani Comedy clippings http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A8201EB7C0F918ED Enjoy the comedy kings from Goa
[Goanet] BABUSH /AIRES/PARRIKAR
Just a guess work , is Babush a real culprit , or is it just a hype? Is he being framed for political reasons or was it a master plan by some top politicians to do away with heavy weights like Alemao and Babush ? Accusations against babush and alemao's kids , was this a game plan against both the ministers thru their kids ?? Strange, all this is happening at the time when elections are around , in the months to come one needs to keep a watchful eye and ears wide open like a fox. Bonefacio
[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] All Souls Day
25-Oct-2008 Dear Friend, ‘Death is not God’s doing, he takes no pleasure in the extinction of the living,’ says the Book of Wisdom. Today we are reminded that all of us will die, in fact some have already gone ahead of us. It matters not how long we live but how well. Generally we do not like to think or speak of death. Yet death is a reality we all have to face one day or another. To those who do not believe death makes no sense, to those who do, death is the end of one life and the beginning of a better one! There is only one way we can prepare for immortality that is to love this life and live it well. Have a prayerful weekend remembering those gone ahead of us to our Father’s house! -Fr. Jude Sunday Reflections: –All Souls Day “May they enjoy eternal rest in His Kingdom” 2-Nov-2008 Readings: Isaiah 25: 6-9; Romans 5: 5-11; John 11: 17-27; In today’s first reading the prophet Isaiah begins with a feeling of deep depression almost forgetting what happiness could mean. This is man’s reaction in the face of death, or the prospect of isolation, want or chronic ill-health. Is this the end of it all? Then the prophet remembers what God has revealed of his mercy and he speaks words of hope as he describes final salvation and the joy of the chosen ones of God, who replied to the Lord’s invitation, in terms of a banquet. With the reawakening of faith comes the feeling of peace. The souls in purgatory have this peace as they wait in patience for the Lord’s coming and the fulfilment of his promise. What is certain is that he will come and bring his peace and consolation to all who await his coming. On Hospitality During the Second World War I had something to do with a canteen which was run for the troops in the town in which I was working. Early in the way, we had billeted with us in the town a number of polish troops who had escaped from Poland. Among them there was a Polish airman. When he could be persuaded to talk, he would tell the story of a series of hair-raising escapes. He would tell of how somehow he had escaped from Poland, how somehow he tramped his way across Europe, how somehow he had crossed the Channel, how he had been shot down in his aeroplane once and crashed on another occasion. He always concluded the story of his encounter with the same awe-stricken sentence: “I am God’s man.” William Barclay Paul in his letter to the Romans reminds them that ‘whether we live or die we belong to the Lord’. Death makes no difference to the Christian and there should be no fear for the one who believes in Jesus Christ. No matter what we do, none of us are beyond the care and providence of our loving God. Even when our mortal nature falls apart and our soul is separated from our body at death, we are not beyond God’s reach. Paul stoutly argues that all will rise again with the glory of the Risen Lord. When Christ comes the dead will arise to meet him, the faithful of all ages will share in the risen Lord’s glory and new life. Not our deeds, but God’s Spirit fills us with hope for the living and the dead. Be Not Afraid! I should like to read to you some passages from a letter from a man, Captain Scott of the Antarctic, written in the tent, where it was found long afterwards with his body and those of some other very gallant gentlemen, his comrades. The writing is in pencil, still quite clear, though towards the end some of the words trail away as into the great silence that was waiting for them. It began: “We are pegging out in a very comfortless spot, hoping that this letter may be found and sent to you. I write you a letter of farewell. I want you to think well of me and my end. Goodbye – I am not at all afraid of the end, but sad to miss many a simple pleasure which I had planned for the future in our long marches. We are in a desperate state –frozen feet etc., no fuel, and a long way from food, but it would do your heart good to be in our tent, to hear our songs and our cheery conversations…. We are very near the end…We did intend to finish ourselves when things proved like this, but we have decided to die naturally without.”- I think it might uplift you to stand for a moment by the tent and listen, as he says, to their songs and cheery conversation. J.M. Barrie in ‘Quotes and Anecdotes’ In today’s gospel we see Jesus with his friends Martha and Mary as he goes to meet them on the occasion of receiving the news of the death of Lazarus. The narrative tells us that he did not immediately rush to Bethany on hearing this news, but went almost four days after Lazarus was dead and buried in the tomb. Why did he hesitate and delay? Did he not care for his friends? Could he not do anything for those who were in pain and loss? These are questions that come up in our mind not only about the family of Lazarus, but also each time we are confronted with the death of near and dear ones. When Martha and Mary hear that Jesus ha
Re: [Goanet] CPR condemns attack on Gram Sabha Activist
The growing criminalisation of politics seeks to silence the voice of democracy. The brutal attack on Gram Sabha activist Mr. C.S. Barretto of Assagao village has to be condemned as an attack on democracy. It is distressing and shameful that when we look from politicians to goons, we find it increasingly difficult to say which is which. Shame! - Pravin Sabnis in response to PRESS RELEASE The Centre for Panchayat Raj condemns the brutal attack on Gram Sabha activist Mr. C.S. Barretto of Assagao village and demands a thorough inquiry from the government to nail the culprits involved in such criminal acts. The attack on Mr. Barretto only goes to prove the growing criminalisation in the Village Panchayats with the active support from the government authorities that are turning a blind eye to repeated complaints about irregularities and illegaties from the public. The government authorities have more than once been proved involved in subverting village democracy whether it be in the conduct of no-confidence motions or the elections to the vacant posts of Sarpanch and Dy. Sarpanch in the Village Panchayats. The government authorities have not initiated any steps to ensure that elected representatives declare their private assets before taking charge of public office. Widespread corruption and commission raj has been allowed to flourish with the active collaboration of the government authorities. This is then used by the very government as an excuse not to devolve the due opowers and responsibilities to the local bodies. CPR has been demanding that adequate measures for ensuring transparency and accountability are put in place by empowering the Gram Sabhas to bring the criminal activities in the villages under control. Soter D'Souza, Director - Centre For Panchayati Raj - Peaceful Society Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] US Navy in Goa
Not to sure how much grain is there in this information below. Maybe left wing Portuguese doctors in Goa wanted to pull the rug under Salazar and came up with his false info. With Thal producing such anti info our President Pandurang now in exile in the US could be repatriated. BC 1. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, our first Prime Minister, in line with India's policy of anti-imperialism and non-alignment was of the firm opinion that the entire Indian Ocean should be a zone of peace and that U.S. imperialism should not have even a toe-hold on Indian soil. It was the intelligence information that Dr. Salazar (the then dictator of Portugal) was about to give Mormugao Port on long-lease to the U.S.A. for putting up a naval base here, which prompted Pandit Nehru to swiftly send in the Indian Armed Forces to liberate Goa on 19-12-1961. Pandit Nehru thereby prevented the setting up of a U.S. Navy base in the Mormugao Port which would have been a perennial thorn in the flesh of India. The action of the present Congress-led U.P.A. Government to permit the very same U.S. Navy to come into Mormugao Port and also to loiter all along the West Coast of India, therefore represents a complete and shameful reversal of Pandit Nehru's progressive position by his very own party.
[Goanet] Police fradulently remove Venita from Moira Gramsabha
GBA member & proactive activist of Moira Venita Coelho was forcibly pulled out of the Moira Gram Sabha by the Police who later detained her for 3 hours at the Mapusa Police Station. This fradulent action of the Police was based on false allegations that she does not possess an electrol card and hence could not attend the Gram Sabha. Although, Venita asked them to check the rolls to confirm that she is indeed an electoral card holder the unholy nexus of the Panchas & the Police rode roughshod over her basic democratic rights. Shame! - Pravin Sabnis Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Ref: To Goa's Education Minister
In response to: Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:16:52 -0400 From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] To Goa's Education Minister Dear J Colaco, Thanks for appreciating my post, the last time, somebody said good about my writing was, way back in the mid 90's when I use to write minimum 3-page computer printed letters to my loved ones or friends before the radio waves hijacked all the letters for the 3-minute quickies over mobiles !!! Getting back to our discussion, I do agree with the fact that we Goans are known for short term memory losses as far as elections are concerned, in a lot of my previous posts I have asked "why do we Goans make the same mistake election after election even after knowing what to expect from these con artists." I only hope and pray we come to our senses, sooner rather than later. You are very right in your assertion of their integrity, loyalty and honesty talking of which reminds me of a joke about politicians, I don't know if you have heard this one, any way I'll try to make it as short as possible: A son was crazy about joining politics, the father was against and was trying to convince his son that, politics was not the place for people with integrity, loyalty and honesty but the son was adamant and so insistent that the father out of frustration told the son, he could join politics, provided he passed a test, the son in all his excitement and enthusiasm accepted, thinking he had won his battle with the father, and was ready for the test, father asks the son to go and stand, on the parapet of the second floor, of their building, son obliges, father tells the son to jump from the parapet, and that he would hold him, tells him not worry and assures him that nothing will happen to him, son thinks father is testing his courage, you do need courage in politics, don't you ? Son closes his eyes and jumps, wrac ! a few broken bones and a battered body, in all his pain and anguish, son glares at the father, who in turn tells his son, my son this is the first lesson in politics, "trust no one in politics, not even your own father" Hope I haven't bored you with this one Ref. to point 3. In your post you did imply (your quote)"What exactly is the police going to do with Rohit IF (let us say) he surrenders to the police? Beat him up and eek out a confession after "torture"? Have you not seen what type of "confessions" have been obtained by the Amigos de Mario?" Here too I do not totally disagree with you, police are known for their high handed attitude but this happens all over the world, not just in Goa or the third world countries but in the developed countries as well, that does not give us the right to disregard the law, guilty or not, if all accused and their supporters think like that, then where does the Law stand ? Ref. to point 4. I am totally against any form of violence, in that issue, both, the police and Babush were brutal and totally undemocratic and uncivilized, just because Babush started it, the police had no right to do what they did, even though I hate violence, a small part of me says Babush had it coming, because of all the mischief he had been up to, over the years and for his "I am the king of the ring attitude". I am sure you will disagree with me, we have right to our own opinions. You are also right in saying "Governments. which break the law, give credibility to the gangsters". The Government also showed that it did not pack what it takes, when no action was taken against Babush for the attack on the police station, this does send wrong signals to the criminals, doesn't it ? The Government is as guilty as any else in this case. Ref to point 5. You do care for this kid and have sympathy for him, don't you ? It's a mean world, however law is law for everyone. It is the law to arrest and put the accused behind bars, from there on, the legalities and formalities follow, I have no clue what follows after that, but we do have loop holes in our system and more often than not, it is the innocent that suffer, but can we change the system for one person ? Shouldn't everyone go through the same system ? I hope you don't mean to say that Rohit should be out of this system or do you ? Ref. to point 6. The law does protect under aged children but tell me one thing, if the accusing party has proof of Rohit's guilt (what ever pictures or DNA) does any think that Rohit, will surrender himself to the police ? If he is not guilty there is still a way out for him through the legal system but what if he is really guilty ? Ref. to point 7. Have you been to Goa lately ? I go to Goa every year, sometimes even 2-3 times, and what I see makes me really sad, gone are the days of teenage innocence and healthy adolescence of our time, with all the scientific and technological advancement, we have lost a lot on morality, there is lot more that can be said I am sure you get the message. In these circumst
[Goanet] No plans to hand over German rape case to CBI: Goa govt
No plans to hand over German rape case to CBI: Goa govt 26 Oct 2008, 1517 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Goa Government on Sunday said it had not given any thought to handing over the case of the alleged rape of a German minor to the Central Bureau of Investigation. The mother had accused State Education Minister Atanasio Monserratte's son Rohit and Public Works Department Minister Churchill Alemao's nephew Warren of sexually abusing her 14-year-old daughter. "The police are doing a fairly good job and there has been no thought about handing over the case to CBI," state Chief Secretary J P Singh said. The investigating agencies will have to reply to the Goa Bench of Bombay High Court on Monday, when Justice A P Lavade takes up the case for hearing, as to why the investigation should not be handed over to a specialised agency in accordance with law. On October 24, Bombay High Court Chief Justice Swatanter Kumar and Justice S A Bobde had taken suo moto cognisance of this high-profile rape case. The bench had called upon the investigating officers to explain what investigations had taken place and why none of alleged accused or suspects had been apprehended. Meanwhile, Goa Chief Minister Digamber Kamat has refused to comment on the investigations of this sensational case, allegedly involving the kin of two ministers. "Let the law take its own course.. I would not like to comment on it," Kamat had said earlier this week. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/German_rape_case_No_CBI_probe/ articleshow/3642816.cms ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] Casino Narkasur
Aam Aurat Admi Against Gambling (G) calls upon you to do away with the Casino Narkasur today 26th October , at 9 pm , opposite Tourist Hostel Panjim. Please do come. Sabina
[Goanet] How brainwashing is done - a lesson for all
Refer to the undermentioned report on how brainwashing is done. Is it any wonder that commumal strife if only getting aggravated? Was Selma entirely off the mark when she commented about an entire new generation being brought up on hate propaganda? http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne011108Saffron_Techies.asp Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] VIDEO:Wild Goans birdwatching at Miramar, Panjim: Oct 26, 2008
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Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Querobino Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Querobino Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:33 PM > Dear Samir > I m living in the one and only Goa. I am not sure what you > read but i did > not say there was no Corruption in Goa. All I said was that > we were not > aware of the amount of corruption in Goa and that maybe you > would be able to > enlighten us. By the way, the corruption in Goa is Dont you talk to your neighbours, friends, people around you? Ask anyone and they will tell you about the amount of corruption in Goa. In fact, I doubt if anyone will believe that staying in Goa, you can be so ill-informed. Can you tell a bit about yourself ? Which part of Goa are you from, what you do etc ? > encouraged by us Goans. > We agree to further corrupt the Corrupted ! If you know > what I meanIts > not only the Govt that are corrupt...look around > minutely > Okay, so there you go. You seem to be making contradictory statements. On the one hand you say you are not aware of corruption, on the other hand you say that we ourselves corrupt the corrupted. > I still say that the law will take its course. Who elected > Babush and the > rest of the MLA's? It is us the public..Come Again I see confusion here. Pray tell me --- why did the law not take its course for the first 12 days after the German mother filed the complaint ? And the complaint was booked after the assault on Aires and the letter from the German consulate ? > electionsthe same MLA's > will be elected with the exception of one or two and they > too will join the > band wagon. To answer your question ; Babush is Quote Whom do you vote for ? Do you campaign against the corrupt and the criminal ? > "' still a minister > after stoning the Police Station"" is a wrong > statement...He was made a > Minister AFTER stoning the Police Station..The authorities > that be, will be > able to answer your question...I therefore suggest you > contact them directly > (instead of through this forum) to get your answer - and > please do let us > know what answer you receive). About lying on oath...the > matter is under > investigation and will take its course as in any > democracy...(on second > thoughts...why didn't anyone, especially those that > brought it up now, not > bring up this issue before? Have they suddenly woken up? Why did you as a citizen not file the complaint ? Instead of being grateful to Aires for doing this, you are asking him why he didnt do this before. Are you sure you are not an agent of Monseratte? I am asking this on a public forum and it is important that you answer it on a public forum. I am sorry if it sounds personal but it is very much relevant to this discussion given the type of questions you are raising. > babush has been a > Minister or elected MLA for some time now. > > The Police are doing what the have to. They will bring the > culprits (if any) > to justice . You have to give them time, they are working Ha ha ha... How much time is needed to check the evidence Aires provided --- that Babush dropped out from the school ? And mind you these authorities are on full time employment paid through our (tax payer's) money. > in a democracy not > a dictatorship! Rohit is still absconding because he does > not want to be > apprehended I guess. Why have the Police not arrested him > as yet? well you > better ask them this question ! > I dont need to ask anyone questions. The High Court itself has asked them the questions. You can wear blinders till the crows grow old. > Answer to Your final Question - I did not have the > necessity or reason to > file any FIR or any Police complaint as I do not interfere > with anyone and > keep my distance especially when I write on a Public forum > (unlike some - > wear the cap if it fits you) and have no enemies as I do > not have the habit > of provoking anyone either verbally,physically or through > this forum. > > Its easy to hide "'behind the key board"' > and accuse someone of being from > TTimbuktu or being someones agent ! > > I once again request you not to get personal...we are all > in it for the same > reason - to keep the Good name of Goa. > The name of Goa is already trashed. And if people like you take the view that the law will take its course, when all facts show the contrary, you are playing into the hands of criminals and the corrupt, and it makes me wonder who you are and what your vested interests are. After all, you have suddenly sprouted from nowhere into Goa net. (Correct me if I am wrong but I didnt see posts from you before). regards, Samir > Viva Goa > > Querobino > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Samir Kelekar > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > A world without corruption Goa ? > > Which Goa are you living in Querobino ? > > > > Even organiz
[Goanet] latest on Hindutva terrorism
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[Goanet] Will Karnataka follow Gujarat and Orissa
Will Karnataka follow Gujarat and Orissa. Read on. Report in Tehelka. http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne011108proscons.asp Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731&path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731&page=1&pagecount=2&utm_source=indmail&utm_medium=footer&utm_content=tracking&utm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
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Re: [Goanet] FW: GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT EXERCISES WITH U.S. NAVY
--- On Sun, 26/10/08, Thalmann Pareira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Thalmann Pareira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] FW: GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT EXERCISES > WITH U.S. NAVY > To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 6:08 AM > Communist Party of India (Marxist) > > Date : 24 - 10 - 2008 > > Press Release > > GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT > EXERCISES WITH U.S. > NAVY > > 1. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, our first Prime > Minister, in line with > India's policy of anti-imperialism and non-alignment > was of the firm opinion > that the entire Indian Ocean should be a zone of peace and > that U.S. > imperialism should not have even a toe-hold on Indian soil. > It was the > intelligence information that Dr. Salazar (the then > dictator of Portugal) > was about to give Mormugao Port on long-lease to the U.S.A. > for putting up a > naval base here, which prompted Pandit Nehru to swiftly > send in the Indian > Armed Forces to liberate Goa on 19-12-1961. Pandit Nehru > thereby prevented > the setting up of a U.S. Navy base in the Mormugao Port > which would have > been a perennial thorn in the flesh of India. This "intelligence information", apparently supplied by the then USSR was a total fabrication. So also that Goa was to be NATO base. Then again, "The Indians believed that the Portuguese had a squadron of F-86 Sabres stationed at Dabolim Airport — which later turned out to be false intelligence.". The "Pandit" Nehru seriously contradicted himself when he sent armed forces to conquer Goa, Damao and Diu, which saw bloodshed. He should have given this action serious thought if he wanted the Indian Ocean to be a zone of peace, and acquiesced to his professed doctrine of peaceful co-existence. Gabriel Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
[Goanet] Defeating theory and ..
Goans are on the verge of defeating the theory - Intellectuals run, squanders ruin the State. Does any one in Goanet want to challenge this old saying? With this, I wish EVERY GOAN A HAPPY & PROSPEROUS DIWALI 2008. And I pray to almighty that good sense prevail in every Goan. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad (If this message gets through Goanet before this midnight, please read it again on Monday morning at any time)
[Goanet] Statutory rape in Goa
There was a question raised that the two big rape items in the news are about foreigners. Who says that this doesnt happen to Indians ? In Ponda, we already have a gang rape case where the accused are now out on bail. They have political connections. It is the guts of this German mother that needs to be admired that she is sticking to her guns. Did the Miramar victims not have mothers ? Where are those Indian mothers ? samir
Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings
Dear Samir I m living in the one and only Goa. I am not sure what you read but i did not say there was no Corruption in Goa. All I said was that we were not aware of the amount of corruption in Goa and that maybe you would be able to enlighten us. By the way, the corruption in Goa is encouraged by us Goans. We agree to further corrupt the Corrupted ! If you know what I meanIts not only the Govt that are corrupt...look around minutely I still say that the law will take its course. Who elected Babush and the rest of the MLA's? It is us the public..Come electionsthe same MLA's will be elected with the exception of one or two and they too will join the band wagon. To answer your question ; Babush is Quote "' still a minister after stoning the Police Station"" is a wrong statement...He was made a Minister AFTER stoning the Police Station..The authorities that be, will be able to answer your question...I therefore suggest you contact them directly (instead of through this forum) to get your answer - and please do let us know what answer you receive). About lying on oath...the matter is under investigation and will take its course as in any democracy...(on second thoughts...why didn't anyone, especially those that brought it up now, not bring up this issue before? Have they suddenly woken up? babush has been a Minister or elected MLA for some time now. The Police are doing what the have to. They will bring the culprits (if any) to justice . You have to give them time, they are working in a democracy not a dictatorship! Rohit is still absconding because he does not want to be apprehended I guess. Why have the Police not arrested him as yet? well you better ask them this question ! Answer to Your final Question - I did not have the necessity or reason to file any FIR or any Police complaint as I do not interfere with anyone and keep my distance especially when I write on a Public forum (unlike some - wear the cap if it fits you) and have no enemies as I do not have the habit of provoking anyone either verbally,physically or through this forum. Its easy to hide "'behind the key board"' and accuse someone of being from TTimbuktu or being someones agent ! I once again request you not to get personal...we are all in it for the same reason - to keep the Good name of Goa. Viva Goa Querobino On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > A world without corruption Goa ? > Which Goa are you living in Querobino ? > > Even organizations studyng the corruption in India have given Goa the > prime place of being one of the most corrupt states. I wont even bother > answering you question on corruption. Looks like if you are staying > in Goa you have never dealt with govt. > > And law taking its own course? Again which Goa are you living in ? > Why is Babush still a minister after blatantly attacking the police > station, and lying on oath on the election affidavit ? Is this your > concept of law taking its own course ? > > Why was the rape case not booked till after 12 days ? Why is Rohit > still absconding ? I guess it is your notion of law taking its > own course. > > Finally, have you ever filed any FIR or gave any complaint to the > police station? > > Either you are living in Timbaktu or you might be an agent of Babush, > is all I can conclude. > > regards, > Samir > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Querobino Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Querobino Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rape in Goa and the impotent postings > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > > > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:03 PM > > I am not having a go at the Media. The media persons are > > only doing their > > job - keeping us Goans informed. But we should have both > > sides of the story > > !! We are only getting what one side saysWe read that > > the mother > > produced a photo of Warren in a > > ""compromising" position with her daughter! > > What is the definition of ""Compromising"? > > Is it sitting next to a person > > with your arm around her? as it appears in the photograph? > > (this is what we > > have heard about the photo) Moreover it has now transpired > > that the > > photograph produced is in fact of Warren and HIS GIRLFRIEND > > !! does the > > mother not recognize her own daughter in a photograph ??? > > Not only have the > > boys been accused (no proof provided as yet!) but an > > innocent girl has been > > dragged into the controversy. The lawyer too has now > > changed his tone about > > the photograph! The mother, of all the people, should > > realise that it is not > > right to publish a minors name ...can we have the > > ""other side of the > > story"" please? > > > > Samir - answers to your questions (for the sake of debate > > not argument or > > any ill feeling) > > > > > >- The Media are doing their job - The law has to, and > > will, take its > >course - we live in a democracy -
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
--- On Sat, 25/10/08, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ... > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: Saturday, 25 October, 2008, 12:26 AM > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo > > Are you now implying that most of your fellow Indians > dishonest? > "fellow Indians"? Santosh, you should have been with me at Lal Quila (Red Fort) last April and convinced the security fellows I was a "fellow Indian". I was told in no uncertain terms to buy a "foreign" ticket, even if I was from Goa. Oh, BTW, I did try to speak in Hindi. > What is it that makes them so? Is it their genes, > upbringing, caste, color of the skin or religion? Ah! you're the scientist. This sort of analysis is your forte, I should think. Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] 'partisan propaganda' / 'rumour mongering'
1. Santosh has arrogated to himself the right to pass judgement on others, label or brand those who hold contrary views from his and decide what is the truth and what is not. Eg: He thrashes reports posted by me as partisan propaganda and rumour mongering. Quote: I am disappointed that activists fail to recognize the value of objectivity, level-headed discussion, and the need to refrain from resorting to partisan propaganda and rumor-mongering. Cheers,Santosh Unquote http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2008-October/author&post_id=082534 The meaning of propaganda is misinformation, party line, half truths. Can Santosh substantiate this ? He terms the reports partisan and rumour mongering. The reports posted by me include personal testimonies of victims and articles written by eminent persons like Shashi Tharoor, former Under Secretary General to the UNO and India’s candidate for the post of Secretary General, Khushwant Singh, former editor of Hindustan Times and Illustrated Weekly, Michael Pinto, former IAS officer and member of the Minorities Commission, Michael Saldanha, former Judge of the Karnataka HC, Julio Ribeiro, former DGP and Ambassador to Rumania, George Menezes, former diplomat and expert on management, Ram Punayani, former professor of IIT, Mumbai, Maxwell Pereira, former IPS officer, Dipankar Gupta, Socialogist and Professor at JNU, Dr Joseph D’Souza, President of AICU, Archbishop Agnelo Gracias, B. Raman, former Additional Secretary, Lead articles and editorials in Times of India, Hindu, NDTV, IBN, Outlook, Frontline, India Today, Tehelka besides articles and news reports from the mainstream media. Refer articles by eminent personalities which have already been posted earlier on Goanet but which are relevant to this discussion are appended below. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Shashi_Tharoor/Respect_an_individuals_decision/articleshow/3561097.cms Respect an individual's decision by Shashi Tharoor Stop this Politics of Hate http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:tjHIY6dFQPMJ:timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Shashi_Tharoor/SHASHI_ON_SUNDAY/Stop_the_politics_of_division/articleshow/msid-3585029,curpg-2.cms+stop+this+politics+of+division+shashi+tharoor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=in Hindu Fundamentals are under attack http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Shashi_Tharoor/SHASHI_ON_SUNDAY/Hindu_fundamentals_are_under_attack/articleshow/3535323.cms http://sidhusaaheb.blogspot.com The Communal Psyche- Hapless Christians Handy for Minority Bashing by Dipankar Gupta http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/LEADER_ARTICLE_Two_Sides_Of_The_Same_Coin/rssarticleshow/3578075.cms Two Sides Of The Same Coin by Harbans Mukhia (Times of India dt. 10.10.2008) Faith no more by Khushwant Singh http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=064bbc98-99b7-4272-8245-7fc5090f7247 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Dont_Target_Converts/articleshow/3571221.cms Don't Target Converts by Michael Pinto An old testament by George Menezes http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=4127c514-6f85-41f4-bebb-95f81738c492&MatchID1=4814&TeamID1=6&TeamID2=1&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1212&PrimaryID=4814&Headline=An+old+testament http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2&fodname=20081013&fname=Column+Neelabh+%28F%29&sid=1 The Crucifixion of Words by Neelabh Mishra http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2&fodname=20081006&fname=bajrangdal&sid=1 Frankenstein’s Monsters by B Raman http://www.cbcisite.com/cbcinews2463.htm Why extremist Hindus attack Christians by Bishop Agnelo Gracias http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentID=1675049 Maoists take credit for killing VHP leader- Source: Indo-Asian News Service http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16652&Itemid=1&issueid=74§ionid=36&limit=1&limitstart=0 The rogue army by Farzand Ahmed http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/world/asia/13india.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin Can any of these reports by any stretch of imagination be termed as ‘partisan’, ‘propaganda’ and ‘rumour mongering’, except by a sick, biased or prejudiced mind? 2. Santosh claims he is objective and levelheaded in his outlook. This is what he says Mon Oct 13 09:45:35 PDT 2008 Good to see another broader perspective on this problem being posted here. Cheers,Santosh--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Rina Mukherji < rina.mukherji at gmail.com > wrote:> > Contrary to what Indians here and Christians elsewhere have > been told by > evangelical missionaries, media and seculars, the Kandhamal > arson is not, as > it has been concocted, a clash between Hindu and Christian > faithfuls at > all.The truth is that it is a continuation of the clashes > that had started > in early 1990s between the 'Kandha' tribe, which > did not convert to > Christianity, and 'Pana' caste people, most of whom > had converte
[Goanet] My first Taleigao Panchayat Gramsabha
Today morning I attended My first Village Gramsabha. By Gods grace everything went peacefully. It was started at 10.30am Sunday 26th Oct. 2008 1. Attempt of assault on Prajal Sakhardande was condemned by Gram Sabha. 2. Regional plan 2021 draft paper are not received by Panchayat. It was resolved to get taleigao map to the scale of 1:5000 Reginal plan of 2021 and immediately call Special meeting. 3. 12 Ward members where selected, I dont no why? 4. Illegal compound wall for which Mrs. Shanti Almeda had objected via letter in Feb 07 and no reply received by her from Panchayat till date, Panchayat will write to authorities regarding, how it was regularized when panchayat has not given permission? Sarpanch Janu Rosario tried his best to mishandled the situation. Presence of police force, they were not invited by Panchayat, kept the situation under control. I left at 11.45 due to unrgent call. It was confirmed by 12.20 that Gramsabha ended peacfully. almost all the Cable media people were present at the venue. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
