[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: An Open Letter to L K Advani (By George Menezes)
An Open Letter to L K Advani By George Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Advaniji I write to you in anguish. A mixture of sadness and anger. I do not expect you to remember me. I am therefore attaching a picture of my induction into the BJP's National Executive at the instance of my friend Ram Jethmalani and the invitation of Mr. Vajpayee. I joined the BJP because I believe in the checks and balances of parliamentary democracy where a non-performing party is replaced by another that holds out hope of good governance. I had hoped that the BJP would do better than the Congress did despite years in power with large majorities. You could have done better, much better because of the discipline in your party, because, at that time, you did not have people tainted by corruption. But as they say in cricket, which you understand, you blotted your copy book. We had a nice moderate group in the party. Ram Jethmalani, Shanti Bushan, Rajinder Puri and some not so well known members like me. What hopes we had! All dashed to pieces. Each one of us quit for reasons of their own. I quit when your Rath Yatra started to assume menacing proportions leading to the destruction of the Babri Masjid mosque. It is an irony that I am writing to you instead of the Government in power when heinous acts of genocide are being committed against my community in Orissa, Karnataka and other parts of the country. Logically I should have appealed to the government and party in power at the Centre. A Party that most members of my community vote for, opting for the evil of non governance and corruption over the evil of communalism. But the Congress of today is a party in power that lives in denial, thrives on ignoring the inhumanity heaped upon minorities that are too miniscule to be vote banks. I write to you because you are 'Prime Minister in waiting', because of the faint hope that something at St Patrick's school where you studied has rubbed off on you. Compassion and concern for human rights, for example. I write to you because the atrocities unleashed on a peace loving, completely patriotic and law abiding people is taking place in the States governed by your party and executed by the cadres that owe their allegiance to you. Violence that diminishes the possibility of dialogue or the functioning of the rule of law is a dangerous instrument in the hands of those who use it. As I write this, violence is the first choice of a party in Mumbai who want to drive North Indians (you excluded, perhaps) from the State. You have always had a strong commitment to fighting terrorism from Pakistan. I appreciate that. I urge that you extend that commitment to the terrorism that is home grown and used against brothers and sisters who are Indian first and Christians, Muslims and Dalits later. For the good of this country I pray that you can control your cadres and not vice versa. I pray that unlike many leaders in this world who encouraged their cadres to violence and had violence visiting them in the long run, you will use the power that God has given you to do good. I encourage participants in my seminars to write their own obituaries so that they can work towards living up to those obituaries. May your obituary read that you were a statesman and not a mere politician. That you brought peace and tranquility to a nation that was being torn asunder. That you were able, against great odds, to uphold the Constitution of this multi-religious, multi-cultural and beautiful country. God bless you and give you a long life George Menezes - GOANET-READER WELCOMES contributions from its readers, by way of essays, reviews, features and think-pieces. We share quality Goa-related writing among the 1-strong readership of the Goanet/Goanet-news network of mailing lists. If you appreciated the thoughts expressed above, please send in your feedback to the writer. Our writers write -- or share what they have written -- pro bono, and deserve hearing back from those who appreciate their work. GoanetReader welcomes your feedback at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet Reader is edited by Frederick Noronha fredericknoronha at gmail.com Please visit Goanet's website at http://www.goanet.org For the latest Goa News headlines visit: http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] A Goan votes for Barack Obama (Photos)
2008/11/5 Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To Goanet - From Mountain View, California: http://www.parrikar.org/images/Election-2008/precinct-1.jpg RESPONSE: Thanks for the photos and congratulations! now you can go out and celebrate - buy that Hasselblad DSLR. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: An Open Letter to L K Advani (By George Menezes)
An Open Letter to L K Advani By George Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Advaniji I write to you in anguish. A mixture of sadness and anger. I do not expect you to remember me. I am therefore attaching a picture of my induction into the BJP's National Executive at the instance of my friend Ram Jethmalani and the invitation of Mr. Vajpayee. I joined the BJP because I believe in the checks and balances of parliamentary democracy where a non-performing party is replaced by another that holds out hope of good governance. I had hoped that the BJP would do better than the Congress did despite years in power with large majorities. You could have done better, much better because of the discipline in your party, because, at that time, you did not have people tainted by corruption. But as they say in cricket, which you understand, you blotted your copy book. We had a nice moderate group in the party. Ram Jethmalani, Shanti Bushan, Rajinder Puri and some not so well known members like me. What hopes we had! All dashed to pieces. Each one of us quit for reasons of their own. I quit when your Rath Yatra started to assume menacing proportions leading to the destruction of the Babri Masjid mosque. It is an irony that I am writing to you instead of the Government in power when heinous acts of genocide are being committed against my community in Orissa, Karnataka and other parts of the country. Logically I should have appealed to the government and party in power at the Centre. A Party that most members of my community vote for, opting for the evil of non governance and corruption over the evil of communalism. But the Congress of today is a party in power that lives in denial, thrives on ignoring the inhumanity heaped upon minorities that are too miniscule to be vote banks. I write to you because you are 'Prime Minister in waiting', because of the faint hope that something at St Patrick's school where you studied has rubbed off on you. Compassion and concern for human rights, for example. I write to you because the atrocities unleashed on a peace loving, completely patriotic and law abiding people is taking place in the States governed by your party and executed by the cadres that owe their allegiance to you. Violence that diminishes the possibility of dialogue or the functioning of the rule of law is a dangerous instrument in the hands of those who use it. As I write this, violence is the first choice of a party in Mumbai who want to drive North Indians (you excluded, perhaps) from the State. You have always had a strong commitment to fighting terrorism from Pakistan. I appreciate that. I urge that you extend that commitment to the terrorism that is home grown and used against brothers and sisters who are Indian first and Christians, Muslims and Dalits later. For the good of this country I pray that you can control your cadres and not vice versa. I pray that unlike many leaders in this world who encouraged their cadres to violence and had violence visiting them in the long run, you will use the power that God has given you to do good. I encourage participants in my seminars to write their own obituaries so that they can work towards living up to those obituaries. May your obituary read that you were a statesman and not a mere politician. That you brought peace and tranquility to a nation that was being torn asunder. That you were able, against great odds, to uphold the Constitution of this multi-religious, multi-cultural and beautiful country. God bless you and give you a long life George Menezes - GOANET-READER WELCOMES contributions from its readers, by way of essays, reviews, features and think-pieces. We share quality Goa-related writing among the 1-strong readership of the Goanet/Goanet-news network of mailing lists. If you appreciated the thoughts expressed above, please send in your feedback to the writer. Our writers write -- or share what they have written -- pro bono, and deserve hearing back from those who appreciate their work. GoanetReader welcomes your feedback at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet Reader is edited by Frederick Noronha fredericknoronha at gmail.com Please visit Goanet's website at http://www.goanet.org For the latest Goa News headlines visit: http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Congrats to Barack Obama
As predicted a fortnight ago. Congrats to Senator Barack H. Obama, the 44th President of America!! Now since the elections are overAll can go back to topics issues concerning GOA hAVE a nICE dAY Seb
Re: [Goanet] OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
I was lucky to catch the NDTV (live) broadcast of the acceptance of defeat speech by Jonh Maccain as well as the 'thank you' speech of Barack Obama. Needless to say that in Obama's speech I found the word I was waiting to hear SELF-SACRIFICE' BARACK OBAMA HAI HAI The world of American have opted for a change, putting practically a novice ( a kid so to speak), a black American in the most powerful position in the world for the first time in its 'independent' history. Is the world of GOANS ready to follow suit? is a zillion dollar question. floriano www.goasuraj.org - Original Message - From: Ruby Goes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: [Goanet] OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. G'day Goanetters, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/opinion/04brooks.html?ei=5070 rubygoes
[Goanet] Benegal Neville Pereira with President Obama
22 Feb. 2007. Goan Voice UK. Senator Barack Obama, has generated unusually high initial excitement with his announced intention of seeking the Democratic nomination for the US Presidential Election in November 2008. Benegal Neville Pereira, two brothers who were brought up in Kisumu, Kenya and have for the past two decades been living in New Hampshire (NH), USA -- were able to meet with the Senator when he made an opening campaign stop at Concord, NH. They are the sons of the late Eddie and Yvonne. Benegal is a pharmaceutical business executive based in NH, while Neville owns and runs the Capital Grill restaurant in Concord For a photograph of the trio check out the photo gallery at http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ For a bio of Eddie Pereira see: http://www.goacom.com/culture/biographies/eddiepereira/ For the Goan Voice issue of 22 Feb 2007 see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2007/Feb/issue4/ Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] Obama's leap of faith fired by Gandhi
WASHINGTON: Here are the highlights of US president elect Barack Obama's life and career: Born: Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. Parents: Father Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang'oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya. Mother Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas. Education: BA in international relations, 1983, Columbia University JD from Harvard Law School; Elected first black president of the Law Review in February 1990. Family: Married Michelle Robinson, another Harvard Law School graduate, Oct 18, 1992. They have two young daughters, Malia and Sasha. http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1203635 Obama, 47, who has been able to attract crowds of 100,000 people or more to his rallies and generate a buzz seldom seen in US politics with his message of change, is an ardent admirer of Mahatma Gandhi, the pioneer of Satyagraha - resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience. In my life, I have always looked to Mahatma Gandhi as an inspiration, because he embodied the kind of transformational change that can be made when ordinary people come together to do extraordinary things, he wrote in an article. That is why his portrait hangs in my Senate office; to remind me that real results will not just come from Washington, they will come from the people. http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1203637
[Goanet] November Retreat
NOVEMBER RETREAT Dear Members and Friends, To enhance our Christian growth, the Goan Welfare Association has arranged for a Retreat details of which follow:- FACILATOR: Fr. Gerry Rebello (sj) THEME: 1. Christian Life in a materialistic world 2. Living a Christian life and preparing for Eternity VENUE: Mwangaza Retreat Centre DATE: Sunday, 16th November, 2008 TIME: 8.00 a.m. Registration 9.00a.m. first talk PLEASE NOTE THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY SILENT RETREAT AND SILENCE MUST BE OBSERVED AT ALL TIMES Lunch will be provided. The cost including the Retreat fees will be Shs.500/- per person. Please carry your own writing material should you wish to jot down any notes. Please note the Mwangaza Retreat Centre conducts individual, private Retreats and because of this their rooms are set to accommodate approx. 20 people. Owing to this restriction, registration will be on a first come, first serve basis. If you are interested, kindly contact Christo Desa 0722 2030454/0733 2030454 Colin Carneiro 0733 330433 John Fernandes 0722 217215 Joyce Shamshudin 0733 616948/4451295 Lily-Anne Fernandes0724 479832 Lorraine Miranda 0722 793700 Lynette Pereira0733 899611/ 4453330 Tony D'Costa 0722 204815 Transport – this can be pooled with those attendees having their own cars offering transport to those without transport. Please meet no later than 7.30 at the Goan Gymkana Please send in your confirmations by 12th November 2008. GWS
Re: [Goanet] How are you?
Boro mhure? or Koso asai re? (more formal) or Ghott mhure? Richard I feel all the expressions with re are informal. Formal could be Boro mu or munga? or Boro asai nu (nhuim)? -- Tony Martin Freelance Writer, Author Dubai, UAE
[Goanet] How to have an effective say in the Regional Plan
A Right to Public Comment? How to have an effective say in the draft Regional Plan The announcement of the period of public comment on the Draft Regional Plan 2021 gives us the space to raise a number of rather interesting questions about the whole process of public comment. What exactly do we mean by public comment? What should constitute public notice? And does the state have any obligations in aiding the articulation of public comment? The Task Force apparently prevailed on the Government to allow for not the usual 60 days period for public comment, but a period of 90 days, three months for the public to comment. The Task Force no doubt had good intentions, but it is my contention that this extension of time alone will not serve the purpose of greater public participation. At the most, without being tied to a genuine rethinking of the whole process, it will remain a mere token gesture while the game continues to be played as always. The Draft Regional Plan was apparently notified on the 8th of October 2008 via the government gazette. Some amount of the population got to know of it a few weeks later via newspaper reports. When these good citizens got to know about it, they rushed to the relevant offices and asked for their copy of the draft plan and the maps pertaining to their village (prohibitively priced for an average citizen by the way). The answers they received was in the 'they are not ready yet, come back next week' range. Close to a month after notification, a good number of Panchayats have not yet received copies of the plan and the maps pertaining to their jurisdiction. If such is the case, can we seriously argue that the period of public comment has begun? Or is this just another perfunctory exercise, where we move through a ritual and say hurray, we did it! and move along with out any genuine public debate? To understand the ridiculousness of this practice of publishing prospective legal change in a gazette and presuming that the period of public comment has begun we need to look into the beginnings of modern democracy; where the checks on the powers that be, came from a powerful bourgeois (commercial and business) class that demanded it have a say and stake in the running of the state. For this class, unfettered with daily menial chores of the working class, discovering the joys of the print media, and encountering a world with familiar limited issues, obtaining information via a newspaper, or the odd governmental gazette was perfectly convenient. Democracy in the old republican model comprised a club of a small group of gentlemen who debated issues over tea. Information from the newspaper you had all day to pour over, and the club to discuss issues over, allowed for a fair amount of participation in governance. Goa under the Portuguese Republican regime provides us an appropriate example. It gave to a small class of Goans this taste of democracy, and for this little club, it was a very satisfying experience indeed. Democracy has since moved on though. It has itself been subjected to democratic urges, and democracy today is also the space for the working class and the rural peasant. These groups are finally demanding not merely technical compliance, but effective communication, to allow for genuine participatory governance. If the Government (and indeed the well-meaning Task Force) is serious, it will ensure that the period of public comment begins not from publication in the gazette, but from the moment the Regional Plan in entirety descends to every Panchayat in the state of Goa. If not, lets take it as fact that the Government is not really serious about this participatory exercise. There is another question that emerges though, when we recognize that the forms of the law are geared toward a privileged class that inaugurated the first phase of democracy. When we say open for public comment, who exactly is this public? Theorists of popular culture inform us that there is no such thing as a ready-made and existing public. A public has to be created. And definite kinds of public are created through definite kinds of contexts. What is the kind of public that these public comment provisions create therefore? The sad truth is that the Regional Plan does not really bother with identifying the public that needs to comment, or indeed enable it to be in a position where it can effectively comment. In the case of the Regional Plan, the public resides in the gram sabhas and municipalities of the state. Creating the public therefore would require the State to actively convene special assemblies where the technical details of the Plan are explained to this public. Only subsequent to this process, can we effectively say that a period of public comment has in fact begun. This proposed process may seem ridiculous to those who accept the current procedures as sufficient. But if we agree that the current procedures are insufficient and incapable of enabling genuine participation,
[Goanet] Today: Where I Come From (R. Benedito Ferrao)
Wow! Very nice! So beautifully written I was carried away, transported to being the 'nightchild' that I am, feel, know to be, will die as. I'm not as lucky as the author's parents. I actually feel, being a third-generation Kenyan, that I'm a black man trapped in an Indian skin, living in a country where even the smell of the peoples' skins is alien to my nose and does not make my senses reel. Except one time maybe...on an assignment in Bustar, close to Kondegaon, and I wandered into a weekly Adivasi market day, and there my senses went into a spin. Yeah strange isn't it, I smelt Muranga and Thika and Embu, a good twenty years after leaving Kenya... Hybrid people. That's what I think people like us are. Do we get 'minority rights'/underdog status? We sure as shit deserve them... Hartman
[Goanet] Ref: Hypocrisy of Saffronised Hindutva
Hypocrisy of Saffronised Hindutva The Lion as old and frail he might be, roars in his den, and India should bow down and accept his command, a good script for Lion King-3, Bollywood and Hollywood take note. Not impressed with just the two bonny bounties of the North Indians and a mere small scale destruction in the aftermath of his nephew's arrest, the self proclaimed king of the Saffron Brigade, has much bigger desires and has inextricably intertwined the Saffron Brigade with terror, not that the connection was not known before, it was like a pre-marital affair then, but now it's been solemnized and publicly proclaimed. BabaThackeray goes on to say The Hindu community should support the Sadhvi, major (retd) Ramesh Upadhyaya and Samir Kulkarni... Thackeray further clarified that he didn't support any kind of terrorism that weakens the country and that he regrets the loss of life in the Malegaon incident Does this make sense to any of you ? He wants all Hindus to support terrorism !! Is he implying that there is another kind of terrorism that strengthens a country ? Am I hearing things right or is it just paranoia ? He regrets the loss of life in the Malegaon incident !! Oh sh-t !! he has feelings too after all !!! Don't you worry Mr. Thackeray, let's just call it collateral damage BTW what did you expect Diwali fire works on display and no loss of life? How naïve can one pretend to be ? This marriage of the Shiv Sena with terror has left the bigwigs in the BJP utterly confused. How can a party that claims, Congress is soft on terrorism, support Sadhvi ? It's height of oxymoron, isn't it ? Any way after the Initial trepidation, the BJP Party Chief, Rajnath Singh regained his poise and showed that it's only saffron that matters in the end, by defending Sadhvi, by claiming Whoever is connected with cultural nationalism and Bharatiyata cannot be a terrorist, here comes another blasphemy nationalism and terrorism in one breath, looks like Mr. Rajnath Singh has been watching some 007 movies to issuing licenses for terrorism, in the name of cultural nationalism and Bharatiyata . Congratulations Mr. Rajnath keep up the good work, you have just given birth to cultural nationalist jihadies What an irony, in case of Muslims it's terrorism and in case of Hindutva it's cultural Nationalism !!! I just Love My India !!! The old saying that goes fight fire with fire is now changed to, fight terror with terror the new mantra of the BJP and it's Saffronized allies. Do you not see the monstrosity of terrorism glaring at you in the face ? The BJP has certainly shown it's true colours. Speaking of colours, I remember, in school, I was thought that the saffron colour on our National Flag resembled the Blood of Martyrs who laid down their lives for the country in their struggle for freedom, I wonder what the saffron colour of the BJP and it's allies resembles ? BLOOD of the Minorities in their bid to saffronize India ? Watch out INDIA if BJP comes to power, you are sure to BURN ! Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] A Goan votes for Barack Obama (Photos)
The great Goan dilemma: How do conservatives in Goa vote progressive in the US? How do progressives in Goa get conservative when they join the diaspora? FN PS: Interesting to see Dr Barad sing praises to the many values of a Barak Obama. Or is it just the urge to get onto the winning bandwaggon? 2008/11/5 Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/5 Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To Goanet From Mountain View, California: http://www.parrikar.org/images/Election-2008/precinct-1.jpg
[Goanet] Goan coast images
Am looking for any images that show the impact of environmental degredation along the Goan coast. Would be grateful if you could point me to any URLs, with permission for reuse if you own the same. Please see http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrITc0-Xrg Best, FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Bangalore, real estate... and Goa?
Fascinating story on real estate in Bangalore, and how it works. Not wholly irrelevant for Goa: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-11/mf_mobgalore?currentPage=all -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] People's planning at Panchayats
Bailancho Saad and Goa Panchayat Mahila Shakti Abhiyan will hold a workshop on ”People’s Planning at Panchayat” on Saturday 8th November at Grace Hall Margao. The objective of the workshop is to enable elected representatives of local bodies and people, especially women , to effectively participate in the planning and development of the village in particular and the State in general. The key note address will be delivered by Mr T.R. Raghunandan, Joint Secretary , Ministry of Panchayati Raj, New Delhi on Planning at Panchayats done in different states as per the 73rd /74th amendment of the Constitution. Architect Dean D’Cruz and Ms Reboni Saha from Goa Bachao Abhiyan will make a presentation on Understanding and Participation in Regional Plan 2021. Mr Menino Pires , Director of Panchayats and Mr S.T. Puttaraju, Senior Town Planner and Nodal Officer from Town and Country Planning Department , will be the panelists for the interactive session . Ms Sabina Martins from Bailancho Saad will make a presentation on Women’s Participation in Planning and Development while Ms Nelly Rodrigues , President of Goa Panchayat Mahila Shakti Abhiyaan will speak on the Role and issues of elected women and youth in Panchayati Raj institutions in planning and development. Sabina Martins for Bailancho Saad
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter
Mario Goveia wrote: In a recent post that had nothing to do with animals on display, Mervyn lowered himself, ...er, was inspired, to write to me, And please don't try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. If anything, the smell is coming from your pants being on fire. I guess, from his own experience, he must have been losing whatever argument was going on at the time:-)) Mpenzi Mario, Everyone cringed when you wrote the following: Mervyn himself was a third class citizen in Tanzania. My repose was: Ah! In the classic McSame style... Can you provide us with some idea on how you could come up with such a desperate statement? And please don't try and blame it on the smell from the zoo again. If anything, the smell is coming from your pants being on fire. Just like all your desperate attacks on Obama, you have not been able to come up with any justification for your attack on me. Everyone here can see the desperation. Everyone. Please don't be a cry baby, asking the moderators for help only when people catch you with your pants down. Nah! on fire. Mervyn3.0 PS. Obama is going to add Kiswahili and Spanish as official languages of the USA. The world stock markets love him. Gold up and the US Peso down today __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Who is Goanet Reader writing to Goanet?
This message is in reply to Message: 13, Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 From: Goanet Reader under subject titled as - The village panchayats... and gram sabhas in Goa (useful background data) Can Goa net members or moderators or owner clarify who is this, so called, Goanet Reader [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Samir Kelekar's trip to Goa
Thanks Samir for talking about the positive side of Goan life. It is refreshing to hear good things about Goa after all the negative stuff one reads about on this forum. I for one, as an NRI who has returned to Goa to spend most of his retirement time in our motherland, can vouch for the quality of life that I enjoy in Goa. Sure there are problems, but there is no country in the world where there are absolutely no problems. As a retiree, I enjoy the simple things in life, besides food and feni. Good friends, simple lifestyle, excellent health care, fishing at Dona Paula or Sinquerim, and exploring some of Goa's historical and natural sites. Since I did not live in Goa during Portuguese rule, I do not have a benchmark to compare what exists now and how things were then. I like what I see now in Goa, and judging from the increasing number of foreigners who call Goa home I am not alone. Some of our Goenkarbhau are very happy with retirement in the foreign countries where they live. Nothing wrong with that. After all home is where the heart is. We must each seek a place where we find ourselves truly at home. Viva Goa !
[Goanet] Death: Mila Vaz: ex-Headmistress Goan School, Dar es Salaam
Died 28 Oct. 2008: Farnborough, UK. MILA VAZ (Born 1931; ex Nodera, Goa; ex Headmistress of the Goan School later St Francis Xaviers School, Dar es Salaam). Wife of John. Mother of Mario, Jason/Donna, Ralph, Avril and Winston. Grandmother of Gina, Chyvonne, Cheryl, Jennifer, Jack, Anna. Sister of Julie Mendes (nee Noronha). Mila Vaz was at the St. Francis Xaviers School, 1953 to 1966; St. Veronicas School, London and St Josephs Academy, London, 1966 to 1991. The funeral service will be held on Fri. 14 Nov. at St Anthonys Church, 2 Genoa Road, London. SE20 8ES, at 10.30am. and then at Beckenham Crematorium, Elmers End at about 11.45am. Condolences to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a photograph of Mrs Vaz see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] English indeed is a difficult language!
This message is in reply to Message: 4, Dated: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 From: J. Colaco jc on the subject as is mentioned here in above. I don't think Dr. Samir Kelekar is LL. B. like Dr. Jose Colaco! But the point in question is Dr. Jose is not allowing most Goanet members to air their views as if to say that it's only Dr. Jose who can write and others have to keep reading his views. He never posts news (messages) rather prefers to post responses after responses for ever Goanet messages more particularly for the messages coming from Hindu Goanet Members and that too from Bahamas! If Dr. Jose as a lawyer can defend Monserrate family should air dash to Goa and do the best he can for Monserrate family..he will earn much more than he could ever expect!! If not, Dr. Jose should not try to truncate the views expressed by other Goanet members. I hope having written this, Dr. Jose will be pleased to take two from me: What's the meaning of the term World Englishers? What's the meaning of the term Portuguese Guzzlers? Now off the subject, I think from the day one I joined Goanet Dr. Jose is establishing the fact - Mais Papista do que O papa (Meaning in English Dr. Jose is trying to prove his Holier than thou attitude) Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] BSNL services
While BSNL, the GoI-run service provider does has some shortcomings, it has been improving in its services of late. Also, it seems less likely to overcharge (unlike the private) ISPs. See this useful comparison of services offered, a link which was drawn to my attention by Ashley Delaney of Saligao: http://www.bsnl.co.in/service/dataone_tariff.htm#temp -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Ref: OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE
In response to: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:34:26 +0530 From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Florian Said: The world of American have opted for a change, putting practically a novice ( a kid so to speak), a black American in the most powerful position in the world for the first time in its 'independent' history. Is the world of GOANS ready to follow suit? is a zillion dollar question Freddy Says: Haleluuia to that I only hope and pray that Goans show that they are not just talkers but DOERS as well, when push come to shove Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish - Steve Jobs in 2005
A moving speech from a man who stared at death and lived to tell us what should be important. I hope it inspires you as it did me. If it was at all posted on Goanet before, forgive me. It bears one more look. Here is a paragraph followed by a link to the entire article. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html Roland. Toronto.
[Goanet] Letter to the editor for publication in the Herald
Aah!, the citizens of Mapusa can heave a sigh. November has finally arrived and with it the 'spit' repairs on Mapusa roads. I call these spit repairs simply because the repairs are carried out in the manner of a child trying to repair a toy with spit. It just lasts for a second. As a concerned citizen whose tax money is financing these repairs, I have questions to ask to the relevant authorities. Why is it that the *same *'hot spots' in Mapusa wear out year in and year out? Is it that our engineers and engineering skills are inadequate? In the year of Chandrayan, I find this hard to believe. Could it then be a nexus between the engineers and the contractors? Are the tender specifications doctored so that the hot spots which are subject to heavy stresses wear out at the smallest hint of a shower? Are the repairs not subject to a guarantee? If so why are the guarantees not being extracted? Can there be no permanent or long term solution? Are the contractors and or engineers profiteering from this? In any case seeing the repetitive nature of the work, and huge losses to the public exchequer, I feel that a vigilance inquiry or a PIL is in order. -- With best wishes and regards, Tony Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148 M: +91 9975162897 E: tonydesa at gmail dot com --- Things do not change; we change. - Henry David Thoreau
[Goanet] November Retreat
Dear Dr.Joyce D'Souza Shamshudin It was interesting to read the name of the priest Fr Gerry Rebello. I wonder if it is the same priest who taught at St Vincent's in Poona. If so, he was my teacher. He should be pretty old by now. I remember him well. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Mario, I do not doubt nor disagree with you that Santosh is a fine person, a gentleman, a scholar and whatever other glowing adjectives you may wish to describe him. As a fellow goan, I too am proud of him and his achievements. However, he is no God or demigod like some would like us to believe. He is as human like us with the same weaknesses and failings as any of us. He too trips at times. Hence, I have to partly disagree with you based on my experiences with him. If you find the word 'hypocrisy' offensive, I wonder how you would categorise the words 'militant political operative' and 'rumour mongerer' used by him. Does it enhance his standing? However, I take your point. I do not wish to start another thread on this subject. I would rather discus issues than personalities. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] An Open letter
Mervyn Lobo wrote: Marshall,This is one of the bravest posts I have seen on Goanet. I hope things do get constructive going forward. Santosh wrote: I hope the above assertion turns out to be true in the posts to follow. Comment: I would like to repeat my statement once again in case it has not been understood properly. Rest assured, I am here to contribute positively and constructively It is a statement of fact and not a resolution. It covers the past, present and future. Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, Your President elect is from a third world country. Mario responds: As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Mario responds: Jim, How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent? Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer? Regarding Obama working with you guys, can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress? Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes? Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed. http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749 Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them. We will all find out soon enough.
[Goanet] Implications of an Obama victory
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:53:42 +0530 From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] And dear Mario, I can comfortably say, right this time, Obama is the 44th President of USA. So start planning for yourself, whether you as USA Citizen with right to vote, would like to re-migrate to Goa and re-claim your Indian Citizenship? Mario responds: Dr. Barad, I still fail to see why you are so excited about an Obama victory. Tell your Indian friends, many of whom were supporting Obama, that they will have to look elsewhere to replace all the business they are going to lose to higher taxes on those who create jobs and business growth in the US, not to mention the protectionist trade policies to payback the labor unions. I am going to be interested in seeing how he is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them. We will all find out soon enough. In the meantime. here is an interesting analysis of what an Obama presidency may mean for India, by Bahukutumbi Raman: http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers30/paper2916.html Cheers, Mario
Re: [Goanet] Implications of an Obama victory
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:50:13 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The High interest rates were under Reagan engineered by Paul Volcker; I have no problem with this as it corrected a problem within the US system. Mario responds: Gabe has no idea what he is talking about as shown by the following source. http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/prime.asp The highest interest rates were under Jimmy Carter [1977 - 1980], not under Reagan [1981 - 1988]. When Reagan became President in January 1981, the Prime rate was 20.5%. It never went higher than that under Reagan. In Regan's last month in December 1988 the Prime rate was down to 10.5% Gabe wrote: Interesting to see that Mario can buy 21.5 percent interest rates without a quibble! How come no proof of 21.5 percent interest rates is required? Mario responds: Hey, Gabe, As we can see from the source shown above, Chris was correct. The US prime rate topped off at 21.5% under Jimmy Carter in December of 1980. Gabe wrote: We traded at 23 percent interbank interest rates of one year deposits - Corporates like RJR Reynolds paid 26 percent engineered by the Junk Bond King Mihael Milken of Drexel Burnham, during Reagan's reign. Mario responds: Gabe is the only one who continues to make this claim of a 23% interbank interest rate, for which he has never been able to show any evidence. Typically the rates banks charge each other - the interbank rate - is lower than the rate the banks charge their prime borrowers - the Prime rate. As we have seen above the Prime rate topped off at 21.5%, so how could the interbank rate be 23%? The junk bond rates, which are on very risky private loans to companies that use a very high level of debt versus equity, are the highest legal interest rates. Of course, loan sharks and the Mafia can charge whatever they want:-))
[Goanet] Tension rent the air at Nuvem
Dear All, Pls see link below on above mentioned subject. Regards Arwin http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=12138cid=26 -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
Re: [Goanet] Death: Mila Vaz: ex-Headmistress Goan School, Dar es Salaam
Eddie Fernandes wrote: Died 28 Oct. 2008: Farnborough, UK. MILA VAZ (Born 1931; ex Nodera, Goa; ex Headmistress of the Goan School later St Francis Xavier’s School, Dar es Salaam). Wife of John. Mother of Shouldn't that be Nadora? How many Goanetters don't know where that village is? (Btw, there are many villages in Goa, specially in talukas like Sanguem, whose names we might be surprised to hear.) FN
[Goanet] Week AND Worn - By Wendell Rodricks
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/week-and-worn/377126/ 26th Oct 2008 - Indian Express -- WEEK AND WORN By Wendell Rodricks There's a snowstorm before my eyes. Between me and the green room. Must stop doing those parties. I mean, really. Like my mouth feels like an entire Kabootar Khanna of pigeons shat in it. Foul! But green rooms are wonderous places. Packed with form driven beauties. Ripples of nerves and egoes playing tennis. Nubile excitement high on some intoxicant. It's intoxicating this energy! That Indrani Dasgupta is so distractingly beautiful. I always feel my dress is unworthy of her. And Diana Penty. So utterly angelic. Like Audrey Hepbum. Maybe I need to change her gown and give her another more appropriate neckline. I love this season. So many weeks. So many cities. So much fun. So many clothes. So I get on with the fitting on hand. Difficult to do this Lakme fitting while our Emporio show is rolling out tomorrow. Er Sir, my assistant Sheryl whines. This is not Lakme. Not even Emporio. This is Chivas Sir! Really? In any case the clothes are the same. We just add the celebrities. Anyway that's all the media and janta want. But Sir the press will notice….. Don't be silly. You think Anaita is going to cut herself up in four and attend all four weeks. Even if they do, their editors will show the stars on head ramp. Learn from Shantanu and Nikhil dahling. They opened with Diya closed with Neha and put Bhappi in the middle for flavour. Not Bhappi Sir… Whoever. Who cares? Now call Madhur Bhandarkar and tell him we want him to walk Wills. But Sir…. he won't. He will be busy with his film. Just do what I say. Where will he get so much much publicity for his film Fashion? And I will ask him to make Priyanka, Kangana and Mugdha walk too. But Sir they are walking for Lux at Lakme! Are they? Well then let's add Kitu Gidwani. And Achala and Lubna who worked on the film. And to ensure the wow factor, let's get Rita Dhody and Nari to walk too. Nice! Nice!! Now let's finish this fitting and rush to Delhi for the Wills fitting. The snowstorm before my eyes is turning to a blizzard. But that clears at Mumbai airport when I see Vikram Phadnis posing with some fans. They take multiple shots on three cellphones. Then ask for an autograph. He sweetly obliges. Then the girl reads the autograph and shrieks. You are not Manish Malhotra? Vikram passes out as she stomps off in a huff. See! That's Indian fashion. The media doesn't know what they are seeing. The public doesn't know who's who. How many times do people mistake me for Rocky S (we are both insulted!) Ok now let's get on with this check in. Its 5.30 am and the vodka is doing a trance jerk with last night's party. Must stop all this one day. Did you pack your bags yourself, Sir? Eh? I want to tell her eight people of various religions packed the four suitcases. But I nod a yes numbly. You have any sharp instruments or guns? Now I want to stab her with one of my four tailoring scissors in the cases. Will terrorists admit to guns? I give up and walk away while she is muttering to her colleagues These designers are all drama queens. Anyway, now we are in Delhi. No one is talking about the clothes or the shows. They are all plotting Sumeet Nair's murder. Kill him! Kill him, they clant like the mob before Pilate ready to crucifix Jesus. But here Pilate is Anil Chopra from Lakme. What does Chopra care? He is smiling since Lakme is rolling smoothly far away from this capital mess. Not that Sumeet cares either. He has such a stellar designer list that Emporio is a success. Savio Jon tells me that there are lots of Buyers. That's all that matters. Business! In this recession hit time. Why did I agree to do all these weeks? Couture Week was so much drama. Held in a tent on the outskirts of the Hyatt, even God was against the poor organizers. The tent opened up, rained on the socialite B-Blunt hairdos and got their Jimmy Choo feathered heels like wet chickens. But I liked Ashish and Varun. Though nobody came for our show. It was so spooky to walk out to empty seats. I mean this is fashion. If you breathe the word, a mob turns up. I'll tell you why we are doing all weeks. We gotta learn from Gudda and Tarun (Tahiliani). They get so much press because they are like serial showers. So we will follow suit and just do it. Do them all!! All seven weeks a year. Plus Chivas and whatever else turns up like Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen. This fitting room is so small, someone actually is pouring a drink on my head. Am I back getting rained out at Couture Week? Please stop. Stop! I scream as it continues to pour. Wendell. Wendell wake up. It's Jerome pouring water mischievously on my sun deck bed. I open my eyes in wonder. We are at Bogmalo beach. Nice sun. Great sky. So peaceful. Our boat ready to go for a spin. I was dreaming……. What a nightmare! Thank God I am not taking part in any fashion week this season. ==
[Goanet] Daily Grook #267
DAILY GROOK #267 ___ TOOTH TRUTH ___ by Francis Rodrigues oh my denture new ain't good enough, despite the glue, it falsify laugh! __ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php _
[Goanet] Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum meeting on Thursday 6 November
-- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.Help others be better informed -- Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum meeting on Thursday 6 Nov. -- The monthly general meeting of the Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum will be held on Thursday, 6 November 2008 at the house of Peter D'silva, Zodiac Park, near Holy Family Church, Alto Porvorim at 6pm. The Agenda: Discussion on the impact of the Regional Plan on Socorro village and Porvorim plateau, discussion on the Draft Mining Policy, impact of illegal tourism on the economy of Goa, Plans for the Road Safety Fortnight 3-16 November, Pharmacy Week in November, Right to Information Act, accepting consumer complaints on telephone, mobile, water, electricity, LPG, etc. The meeting is open to all members of the public. --- Message from Valentine Coelho, Convenor SCCF --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
[Goanet] comments
i am surprised at the debate over the submissions of comments on non-goan issues to goanet. i am disappointed that the historic victory of barack obama in the us got caught up in internecine political arguments. goa has huge interactions with the world, in a real way, as opposed to merely business and finance. you should open up your platform to the discussion of various national and international concerns. otherwise you risk making goa insular like the rest of india. that would rob this paradise of its cosmopolitan charms and by default cede public debate to venal panchayats, misguided activists and corrupt partisan politics. you should not allow your wonderful platform to be hijacked by narrow local issues. there's much more goa has to offer than arcane preoccupations about language, ethnicity, social divisions and political intrigue.
Re: [Goanet] English indeed is a difficult language!
2008/11/5 Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [1] Jose is not allowing most Goanet members to air their views [2] He never posts news (messages) [3] rather prefers to post responses after responses for ever Goanet messages more particularly for the messages coming from Hindu Goanet Members -- jc's response -- Thank you Barad. I agree that I do not (normally) post news. Frederick Noronha does a good job at that. After all, he is a patracar, I am not. I agree that I prefer to post responses to messages by other members. I submit that originality is not my forte. I did not know that I have a preference for responding to Hindu goanet members. In any event, are Hindu goanet members different from Catholic goanet members? I wonder in what way they are different. Is Samir Kelekar a Hindu? I did not know that. And if he is, so what? What I am amazed about is that Jose is so powerful ( really?) that he is able to not allow most Goanet members to air their views. Brilliant my dear Barad! absolutely brilliant! I do wish to repeat though that English is indeed a difficult language. sincerely and with good wishes jc
[Goanet] Economic recession --- a blessing in disguise for Goa ?
Hi Thanks Vivian for emphasizing the good side of Goa. Another good side --- and can someone confirm this -- is that I have heard that the Chinese have stopped buying low-grade ore, thanks to the worldwide economic recession. From what I hear, mining in at least some parts of Goa would come to a stop due to this. If this indeed is the case, we should call it a blessing in disguise. Our environment would get saved due to this. Any discussion on the above topic would be appreciated. regards, Samir
[Goanet] OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
floriano said: ( a kid so to speak), a black American in the most powerful position in the world for the first time in its 'independent' history. Reply: One cannot get more racist than that! He is half white, why call him black? Just because the whites call him so? Are you a COCONUT? (brown outside white inside?) Tony Blair was a kid. Turned out to be the best PM since Harold Wilson. Its the young that lead the way forward, the old look backwards. Obama was the Youngest and the first Black President of the Students in College. He was admired and respected for his decision making courage and administration. He fought the toughest election to date with snipe and terrorist innuendos. He had the biggest pot of money ever collected for any campaign. The list goes on and on. And, all someone has to say is that he is a black kid. Wash your brains, son. ED.
Re: [Goanet] How are you?
Fred, Growing up in Verem/Reis Magos, I remember folks greeting each other in the mornings with, Deu boro dis diun. This is just a unique way of greeting each other, that I have not experienced anywhere else. This was in the 60s and 70s and I know that greetings in English must have taken over now! Naguesh Naguesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:31:27 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] How are you? Eddie D'Sa of Wimbledon asked me a query on how Hello. How are you? would be rendered into Konkani. Any versions for this? Are there alternatives in the Konkani style of greeting one another on first encounter in the day? Looking forward to your views... FN
[Goanet] Cheers Dears: A Song in Praise of the Sarpanch of Moira
Cheers Dears: A Song in Praise of the Sarpanch of Moira Blessed be the Sarpanch of Moira!! Hail! Halleluyah!! For he is Handsome and Comely and Cuddly and Cute And Wise beyond Compare, his Knowledge boundless - Yea! Being a Doutor Advogado - no less! Halleluyah!!! Our Sarpanch does not delight in Wickedness! Naah!! And he is not boastful or pompous, but like Arjun On the battlefields of Kurukshetra will, reluctantly Lay to waste all the Unjust before him. Halleluyah!! Popular as a Hero he is, acclaimed by all, far and wide - Yea! Having won his ward election with just 29% of the vote. He blots out the names of Evildoers from voter rolls and - Voshimor!! Throws the wicked out of the Gram Sabha! He speaketh only sweet words, and doeth only good deeds During election times, he pours the Nectar of the Gods - Yea! Down the throats of the poorest of the poor parched Voters. And fills the swimming pools of poor Moidekars with water. He will never allow huge building projects in Moira. Naah!! And not a Soul will dare to say he took a single Naya Paisa Of Bribe from Builders to cut hills and build swimming pools. Whatever he does, he does for the good of the Moidekars And for the Panchas, all out of the goodness of his heart. Our helpful Sarpanch assists the Voiceless ceaselessly - Yea! To get voter id cards and ration cards and light connections, And they will gratefully vote for him at the next elections. And when the Wicked assail him with stupid questions These poor downtrodden Souls will stand solidly by his side And raising their myriad sozzled tongues in unison - Yea! Will shout down the queries of the Mischief Mongers And they will break the arms of the Evildoers! Halleluyah!! Snarling at the Wicked till they cow down like sheep - Yea! And will even bodily lift up Handmaidens with big mouths And throw them into dark dungeons for hours on end. O Dear Sarpanch! You are our Shephard! Halleluyah!! With you we will never want in good times and in bad, In sickness and in health, when drunk and when sober - Yea! Till your Enemies do you in - or the polls do us part. Beloved Sarpanch! Do not go wonky into the good night But like a Tiger! Tiger! Burning bright, put up a good fight Kill off your Enemies! Smite them with spite and Rage!! Krist! Marx! Allah! Gandhi! Ram! Sab ka Naam Satya Hai!!! [This was published in the Herald, Goa of 5 November 2008] -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] The financial world is upside down and the White House houses a Black
The world's banking giants are unworthy of our trust and the White House houses a Black. What next ?
[Goanet] To all Goanetters
Dear All, As you are all aware the goanet greetings service has been relaunched and we are currently updating the current greetings database. Please re-send the particulars even if you have submitted the details in the past. You may use this format: To: Name: (Full Name): Location: City, Country Their email ID (if any). Date: Occasion: Birthday/Anniversary/Birth, etc Special comments: From: Your name: Location: Please send your Birthday or Anniversary details/requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you.
[Goanet] An Open Letter to Barack Obama | Election | TheRoot.com
Howdy Goanetters. http://www.theroot.com/id/48726 Check this out. rubygoes
[Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
It is truly embarrassing to have been a supporter of McCain, while simultaneously having people like Mario and Chris on board. As the saying goes, With friends like these . Based on their posts, one would think that every republican in America is a narrow minded, muslim hating, . The truth of course is that Mario and Chris represent the ugly underbelly that exists in all organizations. The US democrats too have their anti-free trade xenophobes. Although McCain tried hard to dissociate himself from Bush, he was not very successful in doing so. The disillusionment with Bush failures have become so widespread I doubt anyone could have counteracted the negativity that has been associated with economically disastrous and morally despicable 8 years. McCain is an honorable man and I thought his concession speech was extremely eloquent. Not that it matters anymore, but there are significant differences between Bush and McCain: 1)McCain's war record speaks for itself. While McCain was being tortured in the prisons of Vietnam, Bush was busy getting drunk. 2) McCain has always stood for a lean government. In contrast, we have witnessed a larger increase in the govt. debt in the last 8 years than in the previous 80. 3) McCain has opposed to continuation of Guantanamo and has fought against the Bush administration's torture provisions. 4) Politically, McCain has always been a centrist and in 2004, there was even talk of him running in a unity ticket with Kerry. 5) Although McCain erroneously (imo) supported the war in Iraq, he was the first to criticize the Bush administration for its poor implementation. While Bush was falsely proclaiming mission accomplished, McCain was one of the first who demanded a surge to counteract the nightmare that Iraq was descending into. 6) There is bad blood between Bush and McCain than goes back to the 2000 election when Bush's aids sent rumors that McCain's dark skinned adopted child from Bangladesh was actually an illegitimate child from a relationship with a black women. But, did this all matter? Obviously not. This election was a referendum on George Bush. The people have spoken as evidenced not just by a Democratic sweep of the presidential elections, but also of House and Senate. This rarely happens in a US election. If Mario and Chris have difficulty accepting these results, I suggest they PACK THEIR BAGS and LEAVE America. The republican party needs to be rebuilt to reflect its pure original values of a small non-intrusive government, thrift and hard work. Mario and Chris: thanks, but no thanks for your help. Perhaps you guys could be of help to Iran's Ahmedinijad who is having a difficult period at the moment. Marlon --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!! To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:06 AM Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Mario responds: Jim, How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent?
[Goanet] OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE
floriano said: The world of American have opted for a change, putting practically a novice ( a kid so to speak), a black American in the most powerful position in the world for the first time in its 'independent' history. -- Reply: This is an ageist and racist remark. He is not a kid - even so to speak. He has collected a record donation EVER. He has come through all kinds of slur and innuendoes thrown at him. He was the Youngest and the first black Students leader at collegeto the satisfaction of his peers. To make snide remarks on Goanet in unwarranted. ED.
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:09 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! Mario responds: This is false. I have only met two Goanetters personally and they are both close friends. One of them lives in Goa and has met Gabe and, to put it kindly, does not think much of him.
Re: [Goanet] Implications of an Obama victory
2008/11/5 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mario responds: Gabe is the only one who continues to make this claim of a 23% interbank interest rate, for which he has never been able to show any evidence. Typically the rates banks charge each other - the interbank rate - is lower than the rate the banks charge their prime borrowers - the Prime rate. As we have seen above the Prime rate topped off at 21.5%, so how could the interbank rate be 23%? The junk bond rates, which are on very risky private loans to companies that use a very high level of debt versus equity, are the highest legal interest rates. Of course, loan sharks and the Mafia can charge whatever they want:-)) COMMENT: I knew that I'd catch the the samaki with a nice worm. Since the man is so genned up on how Finance and Banking works, perhaps he can explain why the Interbank rates have consistently been much, much higher than prime rates or even the rates that the Fed charges at their open window, for the last several months. Why so many companies are unable to access loans at prime rate and have to offer Bonds at double digit interest rates in the present climate. This includes your blue chip GE. Nobody would bother to borrow interbank if they could approach the Fed window unrestricted for cheaper funds. The Federal Reserve under normal conditions only allows borrowers to approach it, so many times a month. You are not a Banker so you would not understand these things. Mario does not understand the workings of the interbank market. The market is available at the offered rate but not available to every and any Bank. The same as a loan is available to individuals but perhaps would not be available to Mario because he lives the rust belt. Not available at any price not even lending rate plus some. The interbank rate is the rate that Banks charge top notch counter party Banks. UBS is a top notch Bank but even they could not get funds during their troubles, at interbank rates - same goes for Citibank. To put it bluntly, the market came to a stand still and the Interbank rate was consistently working at 3 or 4 pct above the Fed Funds rate or even Prime rate, so now can you understand the 23 percent? If things were so simple as Mario purports above, then we would not have the crisis we have at the moment. Everyone could approach the Fed Window and borrow to their hearts content - why bother with interbank, where no one is lending irrespective of price. I am tired of trying to explain: for those who understand and read the Daily Financial papers no explanation is necessary, for those who don't understand, no amount of explanation can help. Amen. During one of the many Sterling Crisis in the U.K. our Sterling deposits trader had failed to cover a shortfall of just half a million in our account. The man probably thought that our Clearing Bank, ( U.K. Bank ) would charge us their lending rate. He thought why pay 26 percent overnight; the rates consequently traded at 400 percent for overnight money that day. Next day he learnt that our clearing Bank charged us the highest market rate of the day - 400 percent. The man got it in the neck, needless to say. Also it is nice to learn that Mario now admits that he was wrong when he had stated before, that interest rates were never higher than in their early teens in the US. Does he want to deny this? I shall not embark anymore on this - take it or leave it, or go to someone who works in a dealing/trading room and ask them the realities of today's market environment. Ask why interbank rates were trading so many percentage points higher than Fed Funds rate or prime rate, up to just last week. Also ask why, in my opinion, we shall see some more blood, especially from AIG which is hemorrhaging and will eventually be allowed to go bankrupt - its need for funds is botomless, it doesn't care to borrow at prime rate ( which it can't, in any case) it needs to borrow at 30 percent but even at the price there are no lenders to help AIG. Lastly, keep dreaming of the gorgeous Air India hostess that you supposedly knew, who flew in from Singapore, with Satchmo - this when Air India did not have a Singapore franchise. Go and spin some more yarns but do it on some other site, where there are gullible people who won't question! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Moira Panchayat episode: Sarpanch v/s Venita
Moira Panchayat episode: Sarpanch v/s Venita Sarpanch Adv.Raghuvir Bagkar says.. - Venita is misguiding people. - Venita is trying to take revenge as Panchayat issued her show cause notice for constructing an illegal garage and a room. Venita Coelho (MAC) says.. - We will not reply in the same Coin.. - For last 3 Gram Sabhas we raised pertinent questions relating to the projects. That's why they did not want me to speak at this Gram sabha. Read more Sarpanch Adv. Raghuvir v/s Venita Coelho Part I http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3003478057/sizes/l/ Part II http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3004314440/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] German girl Rape Case: BJP MLA’s So n involved too?? (final)
frank dcruz wrote: [A] Times have changed now its Guilty untill proven Innoncent. [B] FYI if you have sex with something as you put it ( Including Test Tubes or bananas) it is not considered rape and the medical report confirmed that it was rape if not the would have said that she was sexually active. Dear Mr. D'Cruz, Unless somebody confesses - I do not know HOW the medical team will prove penis v banana in court without 'hearsay evidence' or DNA. I will leave it to them. I will concentrate on # [A] of yours above. Unless there is something really new ...this is my last contribution on this topic. I believe that I have written quite a bit about the Goa Children's Act. This particular case is NOT (per se) the real focus of my interest. My real focus is on the legality or otherwise of the Act itself. (Please see reference [1] infra) It is my understanding that any attempt to place the Burden of Proof on the accused will be 'ultra vires' of the Indian Constitution. (Please see reference [2] infra) It will additionally fall foul of the Indian Evidence Act (Please see reference [3] infra) So, Times may have changed .the Constitution has not - with regard to the matter of Burden of Proof. It is my understanding that (a few years ago) a senior counsel who came down from Delhi to look at the Goa Children's Act, left disappointed. So, ALL this drama and eventually after the child is subjected to multiple appeals and hearings and emotional trauma - the case can be thrown out because a: There is NO firm evidence (yet) linking the accused to the victim. b: The Goa Act is flawed. I can understand the value of such a prolonged cases to lawyers, but is this what we want? Is it not better for the young IF facilities are provided for Rapid Assessment at specially designated centres - which have DNA facilities. I can safely assure you that NO rich Goan daddy or uncle can get anybody off IF the DNA is positiveunless the prosecution goofs up somewhere else. As one who deals (also) with such cases more than regularly, I believe that the Goa Children's Act and the present drama are both counter-productive to the LONG TERM interests of children who are victims of such crimes. They are also counter-productive to the lives of those accused falsely and destroyed in the process. jc reference [1] http://www.colaco.net/1/gca2003.htm Article written Sept 13, 2005 reference [2] Articles 20 (3) and 21 of the Constitution of India reference: http://lawcommissionofindia.nic.in reference [3] Indian Evidence Act CHAPTER VII : OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF 101. Burden of proof Whoever desires any Court to give judgement as to any legal right or liability dependent on the existence of facts which he asserts, must prove that those facts exist. When a person is bound to prove the existence of any fact, it is said that he burden of proof lies on that person.
Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
2008/11/6 marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1)McCain's war record speaks for itself. While McCain was being tortured in the prisons of Vietnam, Bush was busy getting drunk. I guess McCain had gone to do social work in Vietnam! There's only that much you can see, when your perspective is blinkered and defined by US self-interest! Let's see how long it takes for Obama to tall into the same trap! FN
[Goanet] Well Done America!!
As a Goan, whose future family generations will be American, I can't help but be proud at this moment, not just for Americans but for humanity at large. This is the America we all ultimately fall in love with. This is the America that renews itself continually and fills us with hope. Hope, that we can overcome the ugly disease of prejudice, bigotry and division based on creed, caste, class and colour. Hope, that the swell of humanity will always in the end swing towards that which is good, pure and righteous. We may not know how we all collectively decide that one act is more righteous than the other, we don't know how we reject the other, but in the end, we do reject the ugliness of false promise, premise and propaganda. Perhaps as the last generation of Goans in my immediate family, as someone who chose to keep my nationality and is very consious and active in promoting my Goan cultural identity, I'm saddened by the fact that so many of our youth are now embracing ideas that are filled with this ugliness of false promise and propaganda. Obama's constituency were the young women and men of America, who spoke for change. So many of our young, are marching backwards, turning their backs on the idealism of Nehru and Gandhi, and instead flirting with dangerous ideas which will set the course of our history back by centuries. I can only hope that we too within a few years find our potential within ourselves, renew ourselves and overcome all that ails us today in the guise of false nationalism. If we are to be a nation, we must first remember what the definition of nation is, just as Americans have done so on this historic day. best, Selma
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is as human like us with the same weaknesses and failings as any of us. He too trips at times. The above is an accurate characterization of what I am, biologically and psychologically. I wouldn't want to be any different. If you find the word 'hypocrisy' offensive, I wonder how you would categorise the words 'militant political operative' and 'rumour mongerer' used by him. Does it enhance his standing? I do not find the word hypocrisy offensive. I would categorize as a simple dispassionate statement of fact, my characterization of Marshall's having engaged in rumor-mongering and in the activities of a political operative. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
2008/11/5 marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is truly embarrassing to have been a supporter of McCain, while simultaneously having people like Mario and Chris on board. As the saying goes, With friends like these . Based on their posts, one would think that every republican in America is a narrow minded, muslim hating, . The truth of course is that Mario and Chris represent the ugly underbelly that exists in all organizations. The US democrats too have their anti-free trade xenophobes. Although McCain tried hard to dissociate himself from Bush, he was not very successful in doing so. The disillusionment with Bush failures have become so widespread I doubt anyone could have counteracted the negativity that has been associated with economically disastrous and morally despicable 8 years. McCain is an honorable man and I thought his concession speech was extremely eloquent. Not that it matters anymore, but there are significant differences between Bush and McCain: RESPONSE: Indeed, my feelings also went out to McCain an utterly honourable man...after the count out. Very eloquent and held his dignity. Obama's speech brought tears to my wife's and my eyes, we didn't vote although eligible, paid USA taxes for years galore. My son studied in University of North Carolina for a time, has fond memories of USA as I do. The thing that irks me is this stupidity about if you are not with us you are against the USA! So more than 2/3 of the population were against the USA, or were they against Bush's policies? Lastly I must commend Rajiv Desai on his post that Goanet needs to open up a bit more to realities! You lucky devil allowed to post such devilish stuff, you must be more than close to Viviana! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] The Promise of Obama
Let me try to be objective and measured in expressing my thoughts at this incredible moment in our time. Nah! What the heck! This is my chance to be hyperbolic. This is the dawn of a new age in the glorious history of a great nation, in the unwritten destiny of this planet of sentient beings. The promise of Obama is not just a promise of an inspiring leader or a great statesman. Indeed, it is not a promise of any individual at all, or for that matter, any collection of individuals, a term which he has been wont to use. It is a promise of the possibility that the best ideas and solutions gathered from the wisest minds will finally be used to solve the world’s problems, guided by history and evidence rather than rigid ideologies, wedge issues and political calculations. That intellectual curiosity and self-examination will triumph over impulsiveness and expediency. That reason will prevail in all material affairs. That rhetoric will be used to inspire and unite, not threaten and incite. That human dignity will be respected as much as human life itself. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] At the Kala Academy... early November
Thank you - that was very helpful - I was trying to find out what goes on in there every day! Thanks Edith --- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ---
Re: [Goanet] Today: Where I Come From (R. Benedito Ferrao)
Nice to read! and think deeply... SIlvia Bragança
Re: [Goanet] The village panchayats... and gram sabhas in
Dear goanet, I went through yr mail,and was glad to know that there is someone who can help. I would like to knw if there is any similar contacts to complain against the Muncipality.Plase let me know. Thank You, Regards, Gracy. --- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ---
[Goanet] Goa news for November 6, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** I-League:Sporting Clube de Goa Edge Past Chirag United - Goal.com [Nov 1, 2008] Sporting Clube de Goa remained on top of the I-League table after their hard fought 1-0 win over Chirag United at the Yuba Bharati Krirangan,Kolkata. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=943367cid=1265118013ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNFz5YJyto39m6Mbop7qwHCfQFdh0g *** Goa rape case: Minister\'s son surrenders - NDTV.com [Nov 3, 2008] The son of Goa's Education Minister Babush Monserrat, Rohit Monserrat, who is accused of rapinga minor German girl, has surrendered at the Calangute police ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080071260ch=11/4/2008%201:20:00%20PMcid=1265403167ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNEUove68B2y1MOJtxJ8WunSCyTI1A *** Kotak Securities keeps BUY on Sesa Goa - Livemint [Nov 2, 2008] For Sesa Goa, iron ore fines constitutes more than 85% of the volumes while remaining sales is for lump grade ore wherein the sales are more in domestic ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.livemint.com/2008/11/03113612/Kotak-Securities-keeps-BUY-on.htmlcid=1266205207ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNH0XlR1B9Vv3BNcQhtS8kFRDTufTQ *** I-League Reflections: The \'Crouching Tiger\' Turns \'Hidden Dragon\' - Goal.com [Nov 4, 2008] Goal.com reviews all the weekend action in the I-League which once again had a Goan club at the top (Sporting Clube De Goa) and bottom (Vasco) of the league ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=948036cid=1266688680ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNEOoEdH34BiFhk6hc-7T93x6T6YhQ *** Goa launches survey to spot incipient industrial sickness - Newstrack India [Nov 4, 2008] Panaji, Nov 4 (IANS) The Goa government has initiated a survey to study incipient sickness in the state's industrial units, in coordination with the Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/33858cid=1266674554ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNGkMji6xrgSkdLrQteZun-eqeOEsA *** Goa gets a taste of Mumbai! - Times of India [Nov 2, 2008] What were the likes of GautamSinghania, designers Malini Ramani, Tarun Tahiliani and Manoviraj Khosla and Aditi Govitrikar doing in Goa last week? ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/Goa_gets_a_taste_of_Mumbai/articleshow/3665151.cmscid=0ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNE_WxWAwI9VFG8rPnyv2GrDZwP6mA *** 46 owners urge CM to erect shacks - Times of India [22 minutes ago] These two beaches combined have officially been allotted 143 shacks #148; one of the highest concentration of shacks in Goa. Calangute has been allotted 81 ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/46_owners_urge_CM_to_erect_shacks/articleshow/3679432.cmscid=0ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNGdFySze9KT3hvJOYzcJVqdBlck-g *** Rohit gets 3-day police custody - Times of India [22 minutes ago] Meanwhile, the high court of Bombay at Goa, which had taken suo moto cognizance of the lethargic police investigations into the case, noted on Wednesday ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Rohit_gets_3-day_police_custody/articleshow/3676689.cmscid=0ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNGQRzP6FpFSgR99nW7zMTUoflqhog *** Parsvnath\'s Goa hotel gets \'5-star\' rating - Trading Markets (press release) [16 hours ago] ... PowerRating -- Real estate firm Parsvnath Developers today said it has received five-star category approval for its upcoming hotel in Panaji, Goa. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1995421/cid=0ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNG0XD8SXKgbuBrexu-Hjsmr_EuOPA *** No takers in Goa for BSNLs insurance cover - Times of India [22 minutes ago] Apparently most people in Goa are not aware, as not a single insurance claim has been received from the state by BSNL. Weve even mentioned it prominently ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/No_takers_in_Goa_for_BSNLs_insurance_cover/articleshow/3679428.cmscid=0ei=ijoSScanI420gQPWpLXqBAusg=AFQjCNEb6DkDxIjwo5HThMlaTwRLkUGuXQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
You want to debate me? Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us. Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide? The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: It's the economy, stupid. Jim Fernandes. New York. -- Original message -- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Mario responds: Jim, How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist ... ... ...
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1430
Hello all, I am a 59 year old Goan who has lived the Goan life to the fullest from my birth till the age of 27, when I left my beloved birth-place to other distant shores in search of better prospects. With regard to the question: Waht is the Konkani version of the english 'Hello and How are you, I have the following to say. Mind you, I am refering to the period 1950s to 1980s. I have nver found a konkani translation for Hello and I do not know that one exists. If it does, I would like to be enlightened. Every time I crossed some one elses' path, during the day I would say nothing, if the the person was a stranger to me. I would perhaps make eye contact, smile and go on my way. If the person was known to me or a co-vilager, I would say somethng like, Dev boro dis diunk or or Cosso assai or fuim voitai or Fuim geloloi or boro assia mure?, etc. In the night time, it was customary to wish the person Dev Bori rat diunc. It is also known that among co-villagers and friends, it was customary to ask upon encoutering: Ago Fislu, brem assai mungo?Aiz nisteak kitem adleim? This was in reference to the fact that in Goa, especially in the villages, most of the households, bought, cooked and ate fresh fish every day. ( I really do miss that!). So, in my memory, there has never been an exact or appropriate translation in Konkani of the engilish Hello. I fully agree with Naguesh's take that we Goans have a unique way of greeting. We say: Deu boro dis diunc or Deu bori rat diunc It translates as : May God bless you with a good day or night , instead of the plain 'Good morning/night. We acknowledge in our greeetings, that we are not in charge of our lives or desity, but God is and therfore, ask HIM to bestow upon us and our friends and others the blessings that will help us make it through the day or night. I hope I have helped but am willing to discuss this further, if so desired. Viva Goa and Goans. Romel Maryland, USA Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:53:32 + From: Naguesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] How are you? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Fred, Growing up in Verem/Reis Magos, I remember folks greeting each other in the mornings with, Deu boro dis diun. This is just a unique way of greeting each other, that I have not experienced anywhere else. This was in the 60s and 70s and I know that greetings in English must have taken over now! Naguesh Naguesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:31:27 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] How are you? Eddie D'Sa of Wimbledon asked me a query on how Hello. How are you? would be rendered into Konkani. Any versions for this? Are there alternatives in the Konkani style of greeting one another on first encounter in the day? Looking forward to your views... FN _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008
[Goanet] Ek Kovita: Yeo Mellunk Mhaka
Yeo Mellunk Mhaka Rat sompli nam Ajun vell asa Surya uddche adim, Yeo mellunk mhaka Vatichea uzvaddan Jinn zogchi asa Uzvadd palche adim Yeo mellunk mhaka Rat-rannichim fullam Vareachea nadar jelltat Pormoll sompche adim Yeo mellunk mhaka Chondr-taram akaxar Amche bhettechi vatt polletat Tim kupamni lipche adim Yeo mellunk mhaka Amrut jivitachi nodi Upott mogan ufeta Ti sukche adim Yeo mellunk mhaka Lino B. Dourado (Utodd’dekar)
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter
Are we back in kindergarten? RKN Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:09 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Goanetter met you and he was not at all complimentry!! Mario responds: This is false. I have only met two Goanetters personally and they are both close friends. One of them lives in Goa and has met Gabe and, to put it kindly, does not think much of him.
[Goanet] An Open Letter
Santosh: I do not find the word hypocrisy offensive. I would categorize as a simple dispassionate statement of fact, my characterization of Marshall's having engaged in rumor-mongering and in the activities of a political operative.Cheers,Santosh Comment: The greatness of a person lies not in proving others wrong but in accepting and acknowledging one's own wrongs- Annonymous Regards, Marshall -- Hyundai to launch the i20 in India. Catch the exclusive preview on ZigWheels.com http://www.zigwheels.com/b2cam/newsDetails.action?name=Emb11_20080731path=/INDT/News/Emb11_20080731page=1pagecount=2utm_source=indmailutm_medium=footerutm_content=trackingutm_campaign=Nletter_07oct2008_ZW
[Goanet] Dempo vs Churchill Football Match at Nehru Stadium
As reported in NT Churchill Brother's patron, Mr Churchill Alemao, PWD Minister was also seen moving towards the desk of the match commissioner Mr J P Singh (WIFA) on two occasions. On one instance, Mr Singh?s papers were flung off his desk by Mr Alemao and after the match the club patron entered the referees room and was seen arguing with the referee. How this kind of behaviour to be accepted from a Minister. Rowdism is in the blood. It spills again and again. We have to CHANGE. If you want to make a change ordinary people should come to do extra ordinary things. Obama, elected President has quoted our Mahatma during his election campaign. Let's Goan's wake up and bring a Change to our beloved GOA. Rocky
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (5Nov08)
Barack Obama - President USA USA elects its First Black President..when India elects its First DALIT PM..That will be India's Day... To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
Fred, I think you are quite missing the entire context of the message, which was a critique of McCain, not the Vietnam war. The Vietnam war is recognized as one of America's greatest foreign policy disasters. However, since you do bring up the topic of Vietnam, one should note that McCain was one of the key proponents for reconciliation with Vietnam - a nation that is still controlled by the victors of the war. It was people power that brought an end to that war, just as it was people power that brought down the immoral rule of the Bush administration. Since we are on the topic of policy failures, why is it that the Goan populace continues to vote in goons and criminals to power? Is the Goan public stupid or stupid? At least in America, the public makes amends every few years! Marlon --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:21 PM 2008/11/6 marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1)McCain's war record speaks for itself. While McCain was being tortured in the prisons of Vietnam, Bush was busy getting drunk. I guess McCain had gone to do social work in Vietnam! There's only that much you can see, when your perspective is blinkered and defined by US self-interest! Let's see how long it takes for Obama to tall into the same trap! FN
Re: [Goanet] Today: Where I Come From (R. Benedito Ferrao)
Just wanted to congratulate Rodney on his fine piece. Rodney happens to be my cousin. Obviously I did not get my writing genes from his side of the family :) Marlon --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Silvia Bragança [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Silvia Bragança [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Today: Where I Come From (R. Benedito Ferrao) To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:46 PM Nice to read! and think deeply... SIlvia Bragança
[Goanet] Request for two of Bakibab's poems
Hi Venantius, Mahatmayan was an unfinished work of Bakibab and hence it has not been published in any book as yet. You may not get it in the libraries or the literary bodies either, until the Trust that deals with Babibab's works decides to release it to the Public. Cheers Sandeep Hello Sandeep, Thanks. This is helpful. Would you perhaps know whether Mahatmayan -- the document or a copy of it is with any library or literary body. In appreciation.venantius
Re: [Goanet] Well Done America!!
Nice article, keep up the good work to spread the hope Tony
Re: [Goanet] Economic recession --- a blessing in disguise for Goa ?
Samir Kelekar wrote: Another good side --- and can someone confirm this -- is that I have heard that the Chinese have stopped buying low-grade ore, thanks to the worldwide economic recession. -snip- If this indeed is the case, we should call it a blessing in disguise. Our environment would get saved due to this. Samir, This week, the US reported that car sales had fallen 45% in the month of October. Sales have fallen because the banks have no money to give loans to consumers. All the manufacturing industries in N. America are in dire shape and are laying off workers. As such, the demand for metals will collapse if it has not collapsed already. Two weeks ago I looked into the possibility of betting that metal producers would run massive losses. At the time I was also thinking that a benefit of this would be that mining in Goa would stop expanding. Since mining in Goa essentially consists of blasting away hills and taking the ore by barges to ships, it is a very low cost operation. There is the possibility that mining and the export of ore from Goa will not slow. Here are the numbers. Those familiar with wages and transport costs in Goa could make better projections if the operations will slow or stop. Mervyn3.0 -- India Iron-Ore Exports Slump as China Cuts Purchase, Group Says 2008-11-03 By Debarati Roy Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- India's iron-ore exports fell last month after China, the world's biggest steel producer and the South Asian nation's biggest buyer of the raw material, cut purchases, an industry group said. Shipments last month totaled 1.5 million metric tons, compared with 8 million tons a year earlier, Rahul Baldota, president of the Federation of Indian Mineral Industries, a group of iron ore miners, said today in an interview in Mumbai. Prices of Indian iron ore for immediate delivery have declined to $55 a ton from a peak of $140 and there are no buyers even at the current price, he said. Exports in the year to March 2009 may fall 40 percent from a year ago, he said. India produced 160 million tons of iron ore in the year ended March 31, of which two-thirds was sold to China, according to the group. India holds 25 billion tons of ore reserves, 4 percent of which is high-quality ore. --Editor: Indranil Ghosh To contact the reporter on this story: Debarati Roy in Mumbai at +91-22-6633-9025 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the editor responsible for this story: Teo Chian Wei at +65-6212-1541 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Thanks, but no thanks
That's a splendid piece, Marlon! You've shown rare courage to reveal your poitical affiliation now. I too thought McCain's concession speech was really touching. I found it even more gracious than Obama's acceptance speech, which was superb indeed. A piece of advice to Mario: Stop bleating about Bush and his achievements and start thinking about India and Goa now! Cheers, RKN It is truly embarrassing to have been a supporter of McCain, while simultaneously having people like Mario and Chris on board. As the saying goes, With friends like these . Based on their posts, one would think that every republican in America is a narrow minded, muslim hating, . The truth of course is that Mario and Chris represent the ugly underbelly that exists in all organizations. The US democrats too have their anti-free trade xenophobes. Although McCain tried hard to dissociate himself from Bush, he was not very successful in doing so. The disillusionment with Bush failures have become so widespread I doubt anyone could have counteracted the negativity that has been associated with economically disastrous and morally despicable 8 years. McCain is an honorable man and I thought his concession speech was extremely eloquent. Not that it matters anymore, but there are significant differences between Bush and McCain:
Re: [Goanet] GOACAN to observe Consumers Road Safety Fortnight (Goa Desc)
GOACAN's Safety fortnight There are only few people who keep on doing something on Road Safety. One is Mr. Martins of GOA CAN.This time, I am seeing some innovative steps from GOACAN involving the local admn. It is also a valid point to note that the entire Goa State has only 275 policemen on duty to peach and practise Road Safety. This is no where nearer to the UN Police/Population matrix. For a population of 15 lakhs(plus the tourist inflow of another 3 lakhs) Goa should have a sizeable manpower to implement the Traffic Rules! Mere legislation and notifications do not help ensuring ROAD SAFETY. Only in letter; not in spirit! There should be IMPLEMENTATION of what is in the Book. someone has to bring the violators to the books. Who is this someone? It is the traffic police. We as public participants can only extend our support to the traffic police. But the Enforcement is the PRIME DOMAIN OF THE TRAFFIC POLICE. We could note down numbers and give; we could send e-mails as suggested-to Police websites! But violation booking and catching is the role of the traffic police. We, the public can only assume rolefor TRAFFIC EDUCATION and also TRAFFIC ENGINEERING with our exposure/equipments and knowledge. We could assist enforcement, if we are able to put on the Uniform as TRAFFIC WARDEN. I am told that no one is coming forward to become the traffic warden in the cities of Goa. No School Teacher is ready to head the Road Safety Patrol(RSP) of the School. Mr.Arwind Gawas, SP Traffic is still on the look out for volunteers to join the Traffic Warden Organisation of Goa Police. Why this dualism? On one hand we blame the Road conditions and Defects. On the other hand, we do not support the administration, in the way that is required of us blaming them to be inefficient (with only 275 traffic policemen-consider the terrain!) FIRST : LET EACH ONE FOLLOW AND OBEY TRAFFIC RULES! IF TIME PERMITS, GET ASSOCIATED WITH GOACAN OR TRAFFIC WARDEN STAND ON THE ROAD AND REGULATE TRAFFIC-EXPERIENCE IT IF MORE TIME PERMITS: GIVE INNOVATIVE IDEAS TO IMPROVE ON A CASE TO CASE BASIS. NOT TO BE A PARTY TO ARMCHAIR MANAGEMENT COMMENTS. LET US SUPPORT ROAD SAFETY FORTNIGHT - FIRST BY FOLLOWING ROAD RULES OURSELVES-THAN BY ASKING OTHERS TO FOLLOW THE RULES! WITH REGARDS, NC
[Goanet] Invite - Inaugural Funtion of 36th National Convention of Company Secretaries
Dear All, The Institute of Company Secretaries of India ( ICSI ) is organizing its *36th National Convention of Company Secretaries* from Thursday November 6, 2008 to Saturday November 8, 2008 on the theme *Achieving Excellence through Innovation* at Kala Academy, Panaji, Goa. The highlight of the convention would be to discuss, among other issues, the recent collapse of the financial systems worldwide, and would focus on solutions, given the world economic slowdown and debt restructuring to ensure that Indian companies stay on top and maintain high shareholder value. You are invited for the Inaugural function for the *36th National Convention of Company Secretaries* which will be held on 6th November 2008. Attached please find an invite for the same. Please revert in case of any further queries or clarifications. Thanks Regards Sean Faia
