[Goanet] X'Mas special - Just for you

[JoeGoaUk]

if u can't see pics abv, then clik on links here

Some more pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3132931540/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3132930980/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3132931314/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3132104875/sizes/l/
 
X'Mas special  -  Just for you
 
I remember those days where I often injured my knees, legs or hands just for a 
toffee or a chocolate costing less than 5 paise each .

It was on the X’Mas day sports organized by the local sport Club at Church 
complex.
X’Mas father would come on a motor-bike, and we run after him.  He then go to a 
central place  like in front of the Church ‘Patto’ a rough cemented floor where 
he used to throw sweets/ chocolates up in the air and we as kids rushed to get 
one and I often got none but came home with injury on my  knees etc

When I was capturing this video and even watching the footage at home, tears 
rolled down seeing kids running after the Father X’Mas or the bullock cart on 
which he was riding.
I liked it so much that I spent almost 2 hours  there and captured about 15 
minutes of video footage which is now being reduced to less than 6

Not that we had no money to buy sweets..
Kids are kids after all!

We may have grown old now
But can we just forget our that part of life?

I wish you all a merry X’Mas
And a happy new year 2009


Check this out..

Captured recently in Goa

Video Clip ‘Father Christmas riding on a bullock cart’
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All types of Christmas Sweets or Kusvas iItems 
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[Goanet] The right to convert

[Vinay Natekar]

The right to convert

 

Thanks Selma for missing me on Goanet. Should I construe it as love or
hate  Anyway your penchant for conjuring up bizarre examples to buttress
your points are amazing. In contradiction of  reality, the above
examples wouldn't come close to being reasonable unless Hindus  are
killing their Christian  neighbors everyday  just the way Islamists are
doing. The same lack of in-depth knowledge  on reality is showing in
your hesitance to come to grip  with the hypothesis that the  mayhem in
Orrisa may not be Hindus v/s Christians. I agree with you that  innocent
Christians were attacked in this  recent spurt in communal violence
which I do not  condone nor justify. I also believe that there can be no
place for  violence when it is  fuelled by religious hatred. The guilty
must be punished irrespective of any  religious group he belongs
including  VHP, RSS or Bajrang Dal.

I do not want to elaborate on conversions or communal violence as there
are scores of websites you can find to read on these topics. Regards

Vinay

 

>By the way Vinay, where were you hiding when Christians were being
>tormented in Orissa? I was waiting for you and Barad to come on >Goanet
and condemn what was happening. Strangely enough I didn't >hear from
either of you then.

>Is this the India you want to create?

>Hurray. Viva la India.

>selma

 

[Goanet] Fwd: Santa 'Pai Natal' paints Christmas with joy

[Goan Cultural Centre]

  *Santa 'Pai Natal' paints Christmas with joy*

 *Christmas and New Year Celebrations Around The World -
2008
*
**
*Kuwait: *Goan Cultural Center-Kuwait celebrated the Christmas Tree
celebrations with pomp and pageantry recently at the beautifully decorated
premises of the Carmel School, Kheitan,  Kuwait. As the sun moved in the sky
spreading rays, the guests started to pour in at the venue, exchanging
greetings and good wishes with tons of smiles.

The venue wore a truly great festive look and with Santa "Pai Natal"
arriving with his bagful of goodies, the children as well as adults went
into the mode of ad delirium. The celebrations were laced with variety
entertainment programs with DJ Mario sending the pulses racing.

The fancy dress competition in the category of one to six years was a really
delightful sight and Master Ryan and Rhea Marshall emerging as the deserving
winners whereas, in the category of  7-12 years Henrietta Barbosa and Shania
Rebello captured the winning crowns.

Another beautiful program was a Rainbow dance choreographed by Effie de
Mello and Corraine Santos. Christmas hampers draw kept the guests sharing
anxious moments in which  Sheila Rebello won a LCD monitor, Mr. Max won a
Samsung Fridge,  Gaurish Naik was presented a Microwave and Rita Vijoy
winning a National brand juicer.













































[image: photo]



















  Besides, there were more 26 prizes for hamper draw winners apart from very
attractive spot prizes. Glamorous Shirley was selected as the most
tantalizingly attractive guest on the floor. The Christmas Tree Celebrations
were patronized by Mr and Mrs. Sandra Dastani as very special guests. The
Christmas Tree Celebrations were sponsored by Global Express Worldwide and
Mughal Mahal Group of exquisite restaurants.  Eng. Suresh Naik, president of
Goan Cultural Center warmly welcomed the guests and Carmo Santos, Chairman
of Goan Cultural  Centre proposed a laudable vote of thanks.
[image: photo]
Finally praise and appreciation goes to Compare Allwyn William Fernandes for
beautifully controlling the wave lengths with humour and zest. A sumptuous
buffet completed the glittering celebrations.
The judges for the competitions were Jossy Fernandes, Sunny Nazareth &
Sandra Dastani.  The official photographer was Goa's famous Rewon Gomes and
the Official videographer  Joe Almeida were thanked by the organizers.
The Carol Singing group headed by Lorraine De Mello with Fredrico De Mello
on Keyboard, Gilberto on the base and Merwyn Fernandes on the violin graced
the occasion with Christmas carols heralding the good tidings of the season
to the delight of the attendees.  The success of the celebrations goes to
all the team members who worked tirelessly.
[image: photo]
The Goan Cultural Centre is the only recognized and registered Goan
organization with the Embassy of India to hold a Christmas Tree programme
for its members and the Goan community this year.  The festive crowd thanked
the organizers for their hospitality and a fun-filled day of games of
skills, music, prayers and festivity and wished everyone season's greetings
and a very prosperous new year to all residents of Kuwait.

Photos by Rewon Gomes.

(Arab Times of 22 December 2008 published this report.
Also visit the mangalorean.com website).

[Goanet] Festive Season

[rcabral]

Here's wishing all Goanetters a happy festive season and a Happy New Year, 
2009. Let us vow to discuss more worthy issues on Goanet in 2009. Cheers!
Richard Cabral

[Goanet] BRITTO'S OBA XMAS BALL 2008 - 25th Dec. 2008

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BRITTO'S OBA XMAS BALL 2008
25 December, 2008

is on the schedule

After many flip-flops and saumersaults, the Government of Goa has finally 
decided to allow
1. Indoor dances in hotels and halls
2. traditional dances, other than on the beaches and beach shacks.

We organised the dance last year. 365 days later it is a tradition!!

The bands in attendance are:

CASCADES
          ALCATRAZ
                       CRIMSON TIDE

Sound by BOB Raul, Gaunsavaddo- Mapusa

Mood Setter: UPDESH SWAR

Venue: ALVA MAR, Parra-Saligao Road

Dress: STRICTLY FORMAL.

Gents will need to wear formal suit with tie to come on the floor to dance.
Ladies: Any formal wear, ethnic or western.
No jeans, shorts or T-shirts for either gender, please. Please do not embarrass 
us by having to decline entry for anyone accompanying you.

The event is scheduled to start at 8 P.M. Please come latest by 9.00 P.M. 
because
1. there may be a traffic jam on the roads.
2. there may be a rush as beach parties are banned from 23 Dec onwards.
3. you will get to meet and talk with friends before the dancing begins

Look out for advertisements in the HERALD newspaper, our Media partner. there 
is one advertisement at the bottom of page 15 today, 21 December, 2008.

As a measure of gratitude for your support last year in making the event a 
success, the dance will be with Free Entry [worth Rs.500/- per couple] for all 
Britto's OBA MEMBERS. Please collect your FREE Entry Passes from
1. Michael Carrasco at Appetite/Vodafone[ Communidade Ghor]   98231 07114
2. Kenneth D'Souza at Mapusa residence/Syndicate Bank Panaji 94220 61654
3. Roque Carvalho at Mapusa Service Station/Petrol Pump      94220 57544
Non-members of the Britto's OBA can obtain entry passes at Rs. 300/- per Gent 
and Rs. 200 per lady or join the Britto's OBA now.

If you have not yet joined the Britto's OBA or  have friends who are Britto Old 
Boys or BOBs [anyone who has studied at least ONE academic year in the St. 
Britto School, Mapusa, qualifies for membership], pick up a membership form 
from Keny or Roque, fill it, sign and   give cash or cheque in favour of 
"Britto's OBA" payable anywhere in Goa [preferably in Mapusa] and almost 
certainly you can be a member on verification by the Managing Committee. Life 
Membership is Rs.2,000/-. Student membership [valid for five years after SSC, 
if not employed]is Rs. 200/-. For those who really cannot afford either of the 
fees, sponsorship by other BOBs is available on request. BOBs in the Arabian 
Gulf countries have been very generous in this regard while BOBs in Goa have 
generaously supported the activities through sponsorships, advertisements or 
volunteer service. Patron membership fee is Rs.15,000/-. Anyone eligible to be 
a member can be a Patron Member. There is no
 pressure to become a patron as we have paid all our bills and have money for 
day to day expenses of the Britto's OBA.

Every member is eligible for a FREE copy of the BRITTO'S RETRO [a compilation 
of alumni memories from 1946 to 2006 while stocks last.

If you are already a member, we thank you for enrolling and have sent a message 
to your last known email ID on the members' list. We  cherish the association 
of BOBs as members in the difficult years. The Britto's OBA, unlike Oliver 
Twist, is committed to not asking for more, save your time to be in the new 
Managing Committee due to be elected for a two-year term beginning July, 2009.

We wish you and all your loved ones

A JOYOUS AND HOPE FILLED CHRISTMAS
AND
A HAPPY NEW YEAR 2009.

Mog asundi

Miguel Braganza 



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[Goanet] Ref: What a Dog's Life Sir Jee !!

[Freddy Fernandes]

What a Dog's Life Sir Jee 

 

Dog is man's best friend - Bouv vou vou, mine is a royal family that came from
and around the Alps, you surprised ? Bow vou,  I am called the German Shepard,
only higher middleclass and the rich can afford to have me in and around the
house, I have to have super and well balanced diet, beauticians to take care of
my nails, teeth, fur and tail, doctors to take care of my cold, coughs and other
ailments and to give the necessary injections and boosters to keep me fit,
healthy and  alert.

 

One day a family came to the pet shop where I was kept in the cage, to tell you
the truth I hate cages, the small boy and girl were very excited, they had
actually come to buy a gold fish but when the kids saw me, the lost their
interest  in the gold fish and told their day they wanted me, I too was excited
but my price tag was a bit high for this lower middle class family who traveled
on a scooter, the kids were adamant to have me as their Christmas gift,  they
were ready to forfeit new clothes, shoes and Christmas goodies and after a lot
of deliberation and adjustment in their budget they finally took me home, the
owner of the pet shop gave them a certificate of authenticity and family
history, I was surprised that humans were so fussy about our ancestry and
authenticity compared to their own.

 

The kids were over the moon to have me in the midst of them, their love was very
genuine, their parents too, liked me, theirs was an old house with a small
veranda, a small house was hastily made for me and I was eternally grateful as
this was much better than the cage in the pet shop, They called me "Rambo" , now
what sort of a name was that ? Every one was nice to me and I just couldn't wait
for the kids to be back from school to play with me, though they were very young
their trained me very well and I would feel proud when I they showed me off to
their visitors and I would happily oblige when asked to perform tricks that they
taught me. I became their most prized possession  or it seem like that till my
master had his 9 to 5 job, he was very hardworking and was dedicated to his
family, did not drink too, but then, slowly but surely things started changing,
I was keenly watching the changes, as dogs, we tend to notice things much before
the humans do. 

 

My Master started leaving home early and coming back late, I could here a few
musical phone rings and was amused to find that both the kids had mobiles, it
was not long before the boy started zooming off on his own motor bike, my master
often staggered home late at night, with tell tale marks over his clothing,
fights and arguments increased and as the family outings began to decrease,
there was no time for each other and me too, I was depressed and longed for
their hugs and kisses, the intensity and the frequency diminished and nobody
played with me anymore, the kids were very busy with their new found toys the
mobiles or the video games.

 

We had to hastily leave our home and live in a huge structure with a big
compound wall, it was awesome sight, big bungalow, garden and compound wall and
a super luxury Sedan in the driveway, whow  Bouv Bouv ! I thought my master had
won a lottery and I was elated with my new home but my happiness was short
lived. Once we were in the compound I was tied to the post by the gate, excess
to the house was gone and was strictly warned not to enter the house or dig the
garden or destroy the plants, why were they all so snobbish all of a sudden ? I
couldn't understand human mentality. Earlier I use to enjoy the rides on the
scooter but now that had stopped, looking at the huge car I wondered when I
would get a ride, but to my disappointment it never came. Food was served by an
unknown woman they called "nanny" who was too busy to even talk to me. All of a
sudden I realized that my Master had become a politician, and of course it was
"corruption" that had brought all the "goodies" and that "evil" that had
shattered this family.

 

Early morning people started coming towards the house, at first I was worried
that something nasty might have happened to my master or his family but from the
talk I realized they all had come to see my Master, whow !!! so many people to
meet my Master I was enthralled but did not let them in as it was my duty to
announce the arrivals of friends and foes alike "Bouv Bouv Bouv"  and looking at
my huge frame they dared not to come in and all of a sudden the "nanny" arrives
and leads me to the back of the house, I was worried who was going to guard the
entrance and continued my "Bouv Bouv" at this point my Master came red faced
shouting obstinacies at me and asking me to shut up and whacked my back side
with a stick he had in his hand, this was the first time somebody had hit me, I
was hurt and then the kids came out cursing me for disturbing them with my loud
bouv bouv the boy even threw a stone at me which luckily missed me, what had
happened to this happy, united family ? I became a

[Goanet] X'mas wishes

[Joel Moraes]

It is really nice to be back in Goa after a tiring trip at Sea.
 
It is really nice to hear that the highly qualified politician from Taleigao 
has taken over as the education minister.I m really not sure whether to will 
take Goa at the top level in the field of education or vice-viersa.
 
It is really nice to hear that out migrant lover CM Digu is all out to give the 
best to his migrant vote-bank at monti-dongor
 
Will the riffles carried by the Goa Police while carrying out the naka-bandhis 
work against the AK-47's carried out by the terrorists if any attack takes 
place is the million dollar question?
 
Goenchea saiba,save Goa,save Goenkars.
 
Wish all niz goenkars a very happy X'mas
 
Regards,
Joel Morais
Cuncolim.

[Goanet] Incidents in Quepem

[JOAO FERNANDES]

>From Villagers of Copelabhat,
Amabulim, Quepem-Goa.


That the charges leveled against us (villagers of Copelabhat ) are false, 
baseless, concocted and leveled just to harass and the same is  being done 
at the instance of the mining companies  by the Dy-Collector of Quepem and 
PI of Quepem who are their  agents just to suppress the agitation cropping 
up against the illegalities of mining. We the villagers were 
discharging/fighting for  our constitutional duty/right  of protecting the 
environment as enshrined under article 51A , art.21 of the constitution of 
India.

We were peacefully demonstrating our right as all the authorities failed and 
neglected to attend to our complaint dated 7/11/2008, reminder dated 
24/11/2008 and non compliance complaint dated 2/11/2008. As the authorities 
including the Dy-Collector office failed even to reply to our complaints we 
the villagers Copelabhat forced and constrained to come on the road on 
27/12/2008 and there after on 17/12/2008 to highlight our grivences. The 
Dy-Collector of Quepem Shri Venancio Furtado has time to conduct meeting 
pertaining to mining companies and the truck owner ever on Sunday as 
conducted on 14/12/2008 but don't have time even to reply to our 
complaint/to our problem.

The charges leveled by the Quepem Police under section 307 of IPC against 
one of our activist Adv. john Fernandes for allegedly attempting to murder 
ASI Arvind Nagekar by using Favda (spade)  is false, baseless and concocted 
. The Favda(spade ) which the police claimed to have allegedly used by john 
was  procured by the police from the garden of one Smt. Piedade Rebello. 
That john Fernandes being the main leader who is fighting against the 
illegalities of  mighty mining company to suppress his  voice and to 
sabotage the agitations in Quepem taluka  that are croppingup  the false 
baseless charges leveled against him. The Falsity can be seen from the reply 
filed by the police in Bail application moved in respect of Cr.No.86/08 in 
which the police says that John and three others are absconding from the 
time of Commission of offence. How can a second Cr. being Cr. No.87/08 at a 
later stage about attempting to murder emerge from.

That our authorities are day light liar , they cannot deliver  justice to 
the common man. That the Dy-Collector of Quepem Shri Venancio Furtado and 
P.I. Santosh Dessai replying to a query raised by section of press ( Navhind 
Times, Herald, Gomantak Marati) claimed that there were no larthy charge on 
the agitators . On the other hand the Collector South Goa Shri G.P.Naik 
justifies larthy charge ( Times of India dated 19/12/2008). If the officer 
who had supervised the incident claimed that there was no larthy charge, how 
can a officer of collector cadre who was not at all present can justify the 
act? Which means our  Collector also justify the act of Dy-Collector of 
Quepem of not replying to any of our complaint or of not attending to the 
problem of the villagers ?

It is totally false that the agitators first pelted stones on the police (as 
appeared daily Pudari dated 18/2/2008 pg.2 )  forcing the police to larthy 
charge. Infact when the Dy-Collector order the police to clear the road most 
of the agitators came out of the road and the transport start plying even 10 
to 15 truck plied , it is only when we question the Dy-Collector Venancio 
about our demand he order larthy charge. The police brutally larthy charged 
the agitators even the batten of the police have been broken in which 13 
villagers including aged women have been injured (we have collected 4 pieces 
of broken batten of the police from the spot of incident).

We question whether there is any administration in Quepem? If there is 
administration why they are not attending on the complaint/problem  of the 
common man, why they are  not even bother to reply? Or the mind of the 
administrators has been totally corroded with the mining dust and their 
hands have been paralyzed with the Carbon Mono Oxide released by the Mining 
truck?

We the villagers hereby states that the Dy-Collector of Quepem is most 
incompetent to head administration of Quepem and is one of the most corrupt 
official. Instead of doing justice to the Am Admi he is acting as a agent of 
the rich. We the villagers demand immediate suspension of Dy-Collector of 
Quepem Shri Venancio Furtado we futher demand an  impartial inquiry  into 
the entire incident taken place at Ambaulim on 17/12/2008 and punish all the 
officers who found guilty of Commission and omission 

[Goanet] Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back

[Venantius Pinto]

 This is what I "intuited" and avoided asking any questions about; even
before I had read this piece earlier. But now that its finally appeared on
Goanet, I would like to have a small say.

When I was studying at JJ (5 years + I year Bridge Course) I would got off
at this station and know it very well. There is simply no way a someone with
a rifle could not have got one or both of those guys. Taking into
consideration what we knoow so far, including having seeing the footage of
CCTVs -- of our finest cowering and even displaying absolute nonchalance
(Does one have to go through Laban Movement Analysis/ or
Bartenieff Fundamentals to explain this?); it simply means that something
was amiss on many levels. Perhaps a host of things right from training,
inability to shot under fire, no bullets, seeing an AK 47 being fired for
the first time, an etude in P(prostration) major, and although it may sound
heretical -- perhaps a call to stand down for whatever reason, (could this
even possible).

I for one will not be able to utter the words "amchi manshe: for a long
time. I love our guys, although I must add that I have got whacked twice by
these my beloved protectors; once pretty badly early in the morning in
Chembur while doing distance training. (More some other time). In the US
they say there are a few bad apples among various police forces-- it is now
becoming apparent that its the few good ones who protect the brutes among
them. I feel that our guys are not brutes with billas, but not motivated on
account of the thieving politicians and their often pompous superiors. I
dread to think what will happen if tazers are introduced in India, or even
nightsticks and assault batons, or plastic cuffs for that matter. Lord, lets
just forget the heavy boots raining on people's heads.

Its also time people just zipped it, and ask the relevant questions instead
of going around in circles. Ask the same question that Sebastian asked, and
others stemming from it or analogous to it. How can someone walk the streets
of Mumbai and go rat-a-tat. Is this Deepawali? Are we so freaking modern
that we have even run out of batchkis (catapults). Come on people -- those
of you who just keep hammering at pointless stuff -- just wake up. By now we
should be unable to shed any more tears -- the lachrymal glands having
shrivelled up, as that of a woman who has no one left, the system having
taken everything, including all dear and loved ones.

I know that the Central government can give one a portfolio if it so chooses
without one having to go through elections. Can someone propose my name as
Home Minister. Heck give me both portfolios, the Defense one too. Lets start
by reading the riot act to our own people first -- including the wealthy
turds. The article which Hartman posted is an eminent step in that
direction.

I only hope that in the future, Sebastian D'Souza does not get whacked in
some way, as the other Sebastian with the arrows. No one likes to be
embarassed, but I feel we Indians do not deal too well with our incompetence
being pointed out, and get seriouly bent out of shape. Can someone propose
behavioral adjustment programs for all walks of life to Doordhsrsan and make
it mandatory on other channels. Let have some hope here.
Venantius J Pinto


> Subject: [Goanet] Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun,not a
>camera. Armed police would not fire back
> Jerome Taylor talks to the photographer whose picture went around the world
>
> Saturday, 29 November 2008
>
> Sebastian D'Souza
> But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed
> police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There
> were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them
> did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them
> to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but
> they just didn't shoot back."
>

Re: [Goanet] The Right to Convert

[Seb dc]

Yes it did and i was born 7 centuries ago a catholic and i also knew someone 
who was a catholic and would pose similar questions then, inbetween i have 
been born a hindu 5 times (do believe the reincarnation theory) and now i am 
a Catholic again. But that guy is born hindu NOW and pose the same 
questions, so the recognition was instant.


The year is 1547...to be exact, So now you know:-)

I think i will get the Bharat Ratna for intelligence:-) Did someone not say 
so?


hAVE a nICE dAY
Seb

PS: This is a fiction and any resemblance to any person living or dead is 
purely coincidental.


PS1: Moderator's can we close this thread plz. Even the DEL key on the 
keyboard has gone plain. Also don't reply, i am on a weeksoff, enjoying the 
Holiday Season.


MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL GOANETTERS AND A JOYOUS, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR 2009
*




My query:, without contesting to your above points and considering
what you wrote above is correct; please answer my stupid / ignorant
questions:

1) Did Christianity prevailed in Goa much before 1567?

[Goanet] TERRORISM AWARENESS MEET AT BICHOLIM ON SUNDAY

[Marshall Mendonza]

Samir Umarye:
To bring about an awareness among the people concerning terrorism and it's
ill-effects the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (HJS) Goa has organised a public
meeting on Sunday, December 28 at 5
pm at Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Maidan Bicholim.

Response:
Isn't this a classic case of the pot trying to show how black the kettle
is!!!

Regards,

Marshall

Re: [Goanet] Could be Goa?

[Bosco - Goanet Volunteer]

-Original Message-
From: Hartman de Souza
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:24 AM

Hartman writes: Just received the article below from a friend. It's very
beautifully written and very eloquent, and strange though it may seem, is
signed 'Anonymous'. Somewhere in the article, towards the end, the writer
says that where Mumbai goes, the rest of the country follows. How true.
Readers may find suprising parallels with what's happening in Goa.

Me Mumbaikar

The gruesome battleground in South Mumbai has left us Mumbaikars fed up,
scared, angry, willing to lash out, especially at the politicians. We now
have an incoherent rant against "the other" or "the system". My heart goes
out to the victims and this article in no way downplays the magnitude of the
human tragedy. Yet as a lifelong Mumbaikar, I have not been able to shake a
feeling that people have deliberately refused to grasp the essence of the
problem because it is not conveniently gift wrapped with a bow on it.


RESPONSE: It appears the original "Me Mumbaikar" article was authored by Jai 
Natarajan, a class of 1987 alumnus of Campion School, Mumbai and posted on 
Dec 1, 2008.

http://www.excampionites.com/news/viewnews.asp?catID=1&newsID=242

The version posted here by Hartman appears to be the corrupted version 
(paragraph-breaks, perhaps more) of the original that was posted Dec 19, 
2008 on:

http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=1007241&confid=366


- B 

[Goanet] song with mog

[JANE ALPHONSO]

Hi guys this is for all the guys who wont be home for Christmas. Wishing 
one and all on  the net a very happy Christmas and all the best for the new 
year. And a big thanks for you guys that write to me thanks for all your 
support. I would love to take my hats off to all the guys that put all the 
songs on you tube thanks a lot. mog from jane
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEETviNu_VM Watch Chris Brown's Music Video for 
THIS CHRISTMAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8rY0Fyws20 Mariah Carey - All I Want For 
Christmas Is You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8yQLbMtPFA  Elvis Presley & Martina McBride - 
Blue Christmas
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OcvYB5f9g  Blue Christmas Bon Jovi Live
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrIe9vm33t4  Please Come Home For Christmas
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVIiLrpVWl0  Merry Christmas Baby
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jEnTSQStGE  Do they know it's christmas
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb2YSAVHmIE  Happy Christmas (War Is Over)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZhoF9Isf0o  Last Christmas - Wham 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asq7TW4bRBU  Mistletoe and Wine by Cliff Richard
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Goanet] Stop - Look/Hear/Feel and Enjoy Life As It Comes

[Roland Francis]

Received from a friend. Worth posting.

A Violinist in the Metro

A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the
violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for
about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was
calculated that thousands of people went through the station, most of
them on their way to work.

Three minutes went by and a middle-aged man noticed there was a
musician playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds and
then hurried up to meet his schedule.

A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman
threw the money in the till and without stopping continued to walk.

A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him,
but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he
was late for work.

The one who paid the most attention was a 3-year-old boy. His mother
tagged him along, hurried but the kid stopped to look at the
violinist. Finally the mother pushed hard and the child continued to
walk turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by
several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced
them to move on.

In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and
stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money but continued to walk
their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and
silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there
any recognition.

No one knew this but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the best
musicians in the world. He played one of the most intricate pieces
ever written with a violin worth 3.5 million dollars.

Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a
theater in Boston and the seats averaged $100.

This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro
station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social
experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The
outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour:
Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize
the talent in an unexpected context?

One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be:

If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best
musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many
other things are we missing?

-- 
Roland Francis
Toronto
+1 (416) 453.3371

[Goanet] Diverting River Waters.

[damodar vinayak bale]

  Rivers belong to nation and not any states.Govt at the centre has
  to formulate a plan for all the rivers,which has to be followed by
  states.This nation is blessed with cultivable land and a network of
  rivers.Under a false notion of industrialisation,we have spoilt the
  quality of natural water of our rivers.If Central Govt.comes with a
  fool proof scheme to preserve the river water,all states will follow
  as we have a regular rainy season.Bad planning by the Centre,makes
  the states confuse.With our experts on irrigation,(not politicians)
  things can be put in order.Better to be late than never.The media
  can play a constructive part.Let's learn to LIVE LIFE.
  Shyam Bale. 

[Goanet] Goan Names

[Bernado Colaco]

If one notices it is the Bramanekas who resorted to bharati names not for 
nationalism but for poder (power). The sudrekas went on using English names for 
Swindonisation. The clear winners today are the Sudrekas. They are doing tops 
in da England.

BC


Valmiki is one, but also Rabindranath,
Gandhi, Aurobindo ... and among girls Sunita, Anita and so on - obviously
the parents were announcing their sympathy to Indian  nationalis

[Goanet] Protection For All

[Selma Albuquerque]

Dear Goanet

The two bills
introduced recently in Parliament will, when they become law, give the
Government additional powers to probe terrorism and prosecute suspects. The
question for citizens from minority communities, however, is not so much the
robustness of the laws as the earnestness of the authorities to employ them
non-exclusively. For, it is not that there were no laws in force when Sikhs,
Muslims, and, more recently, Christians were the targets of organized
terrorism, but that there was a lack of zeal on the part of police and
government to apply them. As a result, they were beaten, raped and burnt alive
– sometimes by the police and prominent leaders - in an orgy of terror that
ended only when the energy of the attackers was spent. 


What hope then
do we, of the minorities, have that the imminent laws will be used in our
defence? Our founding fathers too made laws and wrote the constitution. We
believed in them and felt secure. No longer. Events in Delhi in 1984, Mumbai in 
’92-93, Gujarat in 2002 and Malegaon, Orissa and Karnataka this year make
us wonder what the future has in store for us.  Expats, like me, who nurture 
the dream of returning to our motherland,
have to think again. We are faced with the irony that we are more protected and
wanted in strange lands than in our own.
 
Yours truly
 
David Albuquerque


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[Goanet] Keynote address at First Konknni (roman script) Conference

[pratap naik]

The following is the text of a Keynote address delivered by Dr Pratap Naik, 
S.J. the Director of Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr, Alto Porvorim during the 
opening session (21.12.2008) of First Konknni Literary and Cultural Conference 
(Roman script) held at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao from 20 to 21 December 2008.
 
Romi lipientle Konknnichem Poilem Sahityik ani Sonvskrutik Sommelon
20 -21 Dezembr 2008
(Mukhel  Ulovp)
 
Pai Tiatirst João Augustinho Fernandes Sal
Moddgão, Gõy
20 .12 . 2008
 
Machier aslololea bhov manestamno, bhavamno ani bhoinnimno,
 
Tumkam somestank Dev bori sanz dium.
 
Moddganvchea Pai Tiatirst João Augustinho Fernandes Salant Dalgado Konknni 
Akademichea fuddarponna khal Az ani faleam Romi lipientlem Konknnichem Poilem 
Sahityik ani Sonvskrutik Sommelon zata hi khobor fokot amkam mat nhoi punn 
sogllea Konknni lokak sontosachi ani obhimanachi.  Punn aicho dis Konknnichea 
itihasant dukhacho dis. Kiteak 22 vorsam adim heach disa Konknni bhaxechea 
chollvolli vellar amchea bhava Floriano Vazak aplo jiv diuncho poddlo. Uprant 
kaim disamni her so zonnamni aplea jivachem bolidan kelem. Dev tanchea otmeak 
xanti dium ani tanchea magnnean hem sommelon zoitvont zaum.
 
Kal ami Gõycho suttkecho dis monoylo. Gõychi suttka zatoch Gõy Moharaxttrant 
vechem nhoi punn tem vegllem urche khatir opinion pola vellar Romi lipientli 
Konknni vaporchea lokan purto tenko dil’lo. Haka lagun az Gõychem khaxeleponn 
urlem. Romi lipientli ani Kon’nodd lipientli Konknni borpavoll ani vavr polleun 
1975 vorsa Sahitya Akademin Konknni sahityachi bhas mhonn manytay dili.  Nagori 
lipient tednam bhov thoddi Konknni borpavoll asli. Gõyant chimttibhor borovpi 
Nagori lipient Konknni boroytale ani tech apli borpavoll vachtale.  Tea vellar 
Gõyant Konknni mhonnlear Romi lipientli Konknni hem sot soglleank khobor 
aslem.  Xiklolo Kristanv lok Purtugez ani Inglix vaportalo. Hindu lok choddso 
Marathi vachtalo ani boroytalo. Razbhas kaideache chollvollik poixeancho ani 
lokacho purto tenko konnem dil’lo? Amich.  Romi lipientli Konknni 
vaportoleamni.  Konknni chollvolli vellar mar khal’le ani jiv hogddaun ghetlole 
konnem? Amcheach lokan. 
 Amkam fottoun amchea lokachea bollar apli Konknni ani Nagori lipi Gõychea 
Razbhas Kaideant aspaun ghetli. Konknni mhonnje Devonagori lipientli Konknni 
hem vakya Razbhas Kaideant ghalunk laylem.  Konknni Gõychi Razbhas zali dekhun 
Gõyak ghottokrajeacho dorzo mell’lo ani 40 amdarank amcher raz korunk vatt 
meklli zali.  Gham’ kaddunk Pavlu ani khaunk mat Panddu hi got itle dis amchi 
zal’li.  Kama purte mama aslolea hannim amche hok nakarle. Punn pattlea chear 
vorsam pasun amche modlea kaim zonnamni kelolea vavrak lagun Konknnichea mollar 
novem pan ugtem zaunk laglem. Aichem hem sommelon bhaxe ani lipie mollavoili 
amchi suttka khunnayta.  Itle dis amcho lok Nagori lipiechea ani tantum 
borounche Konknnichea gulamponnant jiyetalo ani aplem apleponn va osmitay 
ugtean dakhounk pattim sortalo.  Razbhas kaido pas zatoch amcho lok nirxelo. 
Tankam dislem atam aple Konknnik man ani sthan na. 
 
Sotakuch xevttim zoit mellta hi mhalgoddeanchim sangnni. Hi sangnni aiz khori 
zaunk laglea. Gõychi suttka zai meren dhove katiche pakle amcher raz 
choloytale. Gõychi suttka zatoch muttbhor kalle katichea Nagori akantvadeamni 
amchea iskolamni apli Konknni bhitor rigoun amchea lokak aple bolieche ani 
Nagori lipieche gulam’ kele. Hi tanchi axil’li, naxil’li Xixi Konknni boli ani 
Nagori lipi tancheach lokan azun mandun gheunk na hem ugddem sot ami visrunk 
favo na.  Tancho lok ekuch Moratthi xikta na zalear Inglix xikta, bhov thodde 
Konknni xiktat. 
 
Moratthichi bhirant sodam amchea loka modem posravpi hea Nagori akantvadeamni 
Konknni mollacher Romi lipientle Konknnichi ani Romi lipi vaportolea lokachi 
sodam nosay kelea ani add paim dileat.  Dor eka mollar amcho vavr pusun kaddcho 
proytn te korit asat.  Akantvadi armam gheun bhirant ani akant upzoytat.  
Nagori akantvadi aplem lipiechem ani Moratthichem arm gheun amcher akant 
haddtat.  “Romi lipiechi magnni tumi korum nakat. Toxem tumi kelem zalear 
Moratthi Razbhas zatoli ani ek dis Gõy raj Moharaxttrant vetolem ani tumi 
sanddtoleat. Ami amchi hozar vorsanchi Moratthichi porom’pora soddun dilea. 
Tumi tumchi fokot 500 vorsanchi porom’pora soddunk kiteak pattim sortat?  Romi 
lipi bhaili. Bhailo vistid Konknnik sobhona ani upkarna.  Romi lipientle 
Konknnik dorzo na, ti zantteank mat zai. Atam tumchim bhurgim Nagori lipient 
Konknni xiktat ani kai bori amchi Konknni uloytat ani boroytat. Dekhun tumchi 
Romi lipi soddat ani Nagori gheyat. Ami
 soglleamni ek zaunk zai na zalear amche modem vantte fantte zatole ani dusman 
amcho faido uttoytole” osli fottingponnachi bhirant ganvar posravpi he 
akantvadi amchea lokachi mot chenchaytat ani tankam aple bolieche, 
sonvskrutiche ani Nagori lipieche gulam’ korun dovortat.  He akantvadi bhov 
xanne.  Razbhas Kaideant apli Konknni bhitor kaddtana Moratthi bhitor kaddunk 
te bilkul visrunk nant.  Eke khan

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (23Dec08)

[alexyz fernandes]

   At Margao Bus Stop   

"Bhembre betrayed Romi Script" - Alemao

"If Bhembre knows the progress of Konkani in Kannada script...He'll fight 
for Romi Scripts Equal Status...and be a Hero!"


To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit:   www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by  www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] Mumbai - Nothing wrong with 'Hindu terror': Thackeray(The Scary Guy)

[Ruby Goes]

Here we go again.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1216265

Back to the days when Shivaji roamed the Ghats.
rubygoes

[Goanet] The Right to Convert.

[damodar vinayak bale]

  Dear Editor,
  Religions entered this part of our continent from north-west and
  by sea.The inhabitants here practiced traditional ways of living.
  There were no religions.Nature was worshipped.Then came the entry
  of warriors,calling the inhabitants "HINDU" as they crossed river
  "SINDHU",with their religions and beliefs.The inhabitants who 
  believed in "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" i.e.earth as family,could not
  withstand the force of evil-thinkers.What followed is now seen.
  With best regards,
   Shyam Bale. 

Re: [Goanet] The right to convert

[Mario Goveia]

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:33:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Carvalho 

Hurray. Viva la India.

Mario asks incredulously:

Viva la India?  VIVA LA INDIA?!  Shee!  Kitem mhontai, go?

Selma, you have been away from India far too long.  It's been Jai Hind since 
before you were born, for about 60 years now, or 47 years for Goans if one 
wants to be picky:-))

Viva la India, indeed:-))

Re: [Goanet] Religion .....ad nauseam.

[Frederick "FN" Noronha]

The problem is that it's not even religion. It's communalism.

This is about trying to show each others' religion in poor light, and
how bad someone else's beliefs are. While Goanet has a policy for free
speech, I see a one-point agenda that drowns everything else to be
hardly helpful.

FN

2008/12/23 Vivian A. DSouza :
> I like to echo Frederick's comment.  I am tired of hearing about religion
> and related subjects on this forum unless it is directly related to Goa
> and Goans.  Religion is a personal matter close to each one's heart.
> Can we just leave it there ?  If some folks want to discuss religion and
> related topics, perhaps they can create a separate forum to verbally
> bash each other, and spare the rest of us the bandwith.

-- 
FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org
M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490

[Goanet] Toll those Jingling Bells....

[Hartman de Souza]

Circulate Widely
http://blog.orissaconcerns.net/2008/12/jingle-bells-redux/

Breaking every law
The mobs came asking blood
O'er the fields we ran
And very few got away
The police stood and watched
While Bajrang Dalis torched
Our houses by the night
And people by the day

Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
It's no fun to be a minority
In Orissa today
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
All we want is the Sangh Parivar
Would let us live and pray

Not so long ago
We thought we would be fine
But soon these Sanghi goons
Came and stole the shine
The plot was mean and dark
A swamiji was shot
We were blamed for it
And a massacre we got

Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
It's no fun to be a minority
In Orissa today
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
All we want is the government
To ensure some fair play

Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what future do we have
In Orissa today
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
We will fight and we will win
And keep the fascists AWAY!!

[Goanet] Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back

[Goanet News]

Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police
would not fire back

Jerome Taylor talks to the photographer whose picture went around the world

Saturday, 29 November 2008

Sebastian D'Souza

A gunman walks at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station in
Mumbai, India, Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2008. Teams of gunmen stormed
luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, hospitals and a crowded train
station in coordinated attacks across India's financial capital,
killing people, taking Westerners hostage and leaving parts of the
city under siege Thursday, police said. A group of suspected Muslim
militants claimed responsibility. AP

* * *

It is the photograph that has dominated the world's front pages,
casting an astonishing light on the fresh-faced killers who brought
terror to the heart of India's most vibrant city. Now it can be
revealed how the astonishing picture came to be taken by a newspaper
photographer who hid inside a train carriage as gunfire erupted all
around him.

Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose
offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station,
heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus. "I ran into the
first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a
shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage
and waited for the gunmen to walk by," he said. "They were shooting
from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time
to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me
taking photographs but theydidn't seem to care."

The gunmen were terrifyingly professional, making sure at least one of
them was able to fire their rifle while the other reloaded. By the
time he managed to capture the killer on camera, Mr D'Souza had
already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse
shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were
armed but did not fire back. "I first saw the gunmen outside the
station," Mr D'Souza said. "With their rucksacks and Western clothes
they looked like backpackers, not terrorists, but they were very
heavily armed and clearly knew how to use their rifles.

"Towards the station entrance, there are a number of bookshops and one
of the bookstore owners was trying to close his shop," he recalled.
"The gunmen opened fire and the shopkeeper fell down."

But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed
police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There
were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them
did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them
to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but
they just didn't shoot back."

As the gunmen fired at policemen taking cover across the street, Mr
D'Souza realised a train was pulling into the station unaware of the
horror within. "I couldn't believe it. We rushed to the platform and
told everyone to head towards the back of the station. Those who were
older and couldn't run, we told them to stay put."

The militants returned inside the station and headed towards a rear
exit towards Chowpatty Beach. Mr D'Souza added: "I told some policemen
the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused
to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if
they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a
camera."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/mumbai-photographer-i-wish-id-had-a-gun-not-a-camera-armed-police-would-not-fire-back-14086308.html

Re: [Goanet] Saraswats, looking at their past and present ...

[sheela jaywant]

as a born-GSB who know little about the community, maybe i should 
beg/borrow...uh, even buy a copy to getta know my roots better.

Re: [Goanet] Soiled Sons and other Tourist Attractions in Goa(George Menezes, Goanet)

[Leonard Saldanha]

Nice one George.Keep them coming
Merry Xmas and all the best for N'Year 2009

Len Saldanha

[Goanet] VOA News - 'Redefining Christmas' Puts New Twist on Holiday Giving

[Ruby Goes]

G'day Goanetters,
Who says greed is good? 
Hope this idea catches on around the globe.
http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2008-12-22-voa25.cfm

Happy Christmas.
rubygoes

[Goanet] Goa news for December 24, 2008

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Tourism to Goa takes beating after Mumbai attacks - The
Associated Press
[Dec 22, 2008]  The only thing missing from Goa's beaches are
the throngs of merrymakers who normally flock here for the
hedonistic year-end parties. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ginEZKFv1ofJ2kiVuG7Zd_6AOqXAD957UFE80&cid=1282504076&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNF-DGFxinzMUeMyU9ZNOBv1Oq5mfA

*** 300 Central paramilitary personnel rushed to Goa - Hindu
[Dec 22, 2008]  New Delhi (PTI): The Centre on Monday sent 375
CRPF and RAF personnel to Goa in the wake of intelligence
reports suggesting that the tourist hot spot might ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200812221815.htm&cid=1282444507&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNGeAvpk15L1jZOdzm89qGaKCckuMw

*** GOAMAP takes aim at S Goa collector - Times of India
[23 hours ago]  PANAJI: The Goa Federation of Mines Affected
People (GOAMAP) has taken objection to South Goa collector GP
Naik's defence of the lathicharge on villagers ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/GOAMAP_takes_aim_at_S_Goa_collector/articleshow/3876712.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNEooFj5fC7oNXXozBfVptJT5PLnuA

*** Jaiswal to visit Goa to review Christmas security - Times
of India
[Dec 22, 2008]  PANAJI: Union Minister of State for Home
Sriprakash Jaiswal will be in Goa on the eve of Christmas for an
internal security review meeting with top state ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Jaiswal_to_visit_Goa_to_review_security/articleshow/3875859.cms&cid=1282481293&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNEw33TGWls77uD1OGnn3OJerHf07A

*** Goa legislators to hold token strike in Delhi over Mhadei -
Times of India
[23 hours ago]  PANAJI: Goan legislators, MLAs and MPs, have
decided to observe a one-day token strike outside Parliament in
New Delhi to press their demand for the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_legislators_to_hold_token_strike_in_Delhi_over_Mhadei/articleshow/3877329.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNHYkyO5_Q44Q5VKlwGB8DN0Es4GSA

*** Eshas goin to Goa - Times of India
[11 hours ago]  I have been going every year to Goa for
celebrating the New Year and this year too, I shall be there
with my group of friends," says model Esha Gupta. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_Buzz/Eshas_goin_to_Goa/articleshow/3879817.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNHl-F6SMZ4RxxE7MEkS9wBk89cuqQ

*** Mischas goan christmas - Times of India
[11 hours ago]  Goa may be on high alert this Christmas with
revellers staying away from the ultimate party destination but
for Hollywood hottie Mischa Barton, ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/International_Buzz/Mischas_goan_christmas_/articleshow/3879481.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNE3y_CJyePJ77qkUl-KmFBxGn4IhA

*** Goas tourism subdued as police move in - Financial Times
[55 minutes ago]  By Joe Leahy in Goa Under the palms near the
Fort Aguada Beach Resort, a luxury hotel built inside the
crumbling ramparts of what was once Goas most...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1443c6ec-d112-11dd-8cc3-77b07658.html&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNEa03YYsiOEzbgYU-ye1Bu2wIlGHA

*** Security tightened in South goa - Times of India
[56 minutes ago]  MARGAO: The south Goa police headquarters on
Tuesday geared up to face the terror threat by deploying one
platoon of dedicated commando force, that shall be ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Security_tightened_in_South_goa/articleshow/3882780.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNHte24BKCDvD48MuYXRwzWn4Gg1uQ

*** Tricked and stranded in Pune, harassed in Goa - Times of
India
[56 minutes ago]  At a press conference on Tuesday, Edna Vaz
and Krupali Naik, recounted their trip from Pune to Goa on
December 19. Claiming to have purchased confirmed ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Tricked_and_stranded_in_Pune_harassed_in_Goa/articleshow/3882735.cms&cid=0&ei=i4JRSeT3CoXyNvr49JoC&usg=AFQjCNG8KM8G4O0iuUC1JWN6Db_ZsM4S-g


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[Goanet] Rorschachian Felonies in Perceiving Terror

[Venantius Pinto]

Here are 10 images I recently illustrated for an upcoming magazine cover on
the topic, Terror. I had in mind the idea of Rorschach ink blots.
 
Set 1 large
http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3131675114/sizes/o/

Set 2 large
http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3130845165/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/

Its not just the parents who could get their children to do the same, but
anyone with a few rupees to buy some paint and a wild interpretive
imagination. Just give yourself a theme, drop paint, fold the paper, and
press to spread the paint out. Or drop ink, or black tea on a sheet of paper
to create forms. You end up with an image; then see what your mind finds in
it or assigns names to forms it discerns, or even seeks. Take the images to
your favorite bar and analyze the forms over some booze; or with the
motorcycle pilot, ferry operators, kulfi, samosa chat, or atharwalla; or in
the confessional (pass it to Fr. Confessor through the front), and just
perhaps to the janma kundali  guy or bhot as the case may be. Hehehehe.

All, have a good remainder of the year. Remember to make changes to sef if
you do make your own blots. Blot out the old, blur in the new -- blots.

venantius j pinto

[Goanet] The Wise Fools staged in Kuwait

[Goa World]

:::The Wise Fools staged in Kuwait:::
-By www.goa-world.com team
 
Kuwait, December 24, 2008: The Holy Family Choir (H.F.C) celebrated their 
Annual Parents' Day with a grand musical - The Wise Fools, an English and 
Konkani production directed by its member and Goan star Sylvester Vaz - the 
'Hitman of Konkani Stage'. The musical held at the Holy Family Cathedral's 
Sacred Heart Hall was free of charge and had many a message for the audience to 
take home in an evening filled with fun, laughter, and a high-standard 
melodrama apart from various other traditional and cultural programs.
 
The choir group that has been into existence and singing at the 8:00 am Friday 
mass in Kuwait for over 28 years now, once again proved to everyone that they 
are vastly talented other than singing devotional songs in the church. Every 
member who took to the stage displayed an abundance of talent, friendly 
presence and enthusiasm which captured hearts and minds of the audience 
bringing applause after every item. 
 
The evening sparked off with an especially composed English and Konkani Opening 
chorus which saw the entire choir group on stage led by the dynamic director 
Sylvester Vaz himself. The program continued with a variety of songs, dances, 
mando - dulpods, puppet-show, etc, etc. Earlier, a dazzling power point 
presentation done by Mr. Agnelo & Mrs. Carmen Rodrigues was used to introduce 
the choir members and other participants. 
 
:::The Wise Fools:::
 
The Wise Fools - a comedy skit was the main feature of the event. It is indeed 
another feather for Sylvester who has directed many mega plays and musicals 
back home in the State of Goa. The members of H.F.C who excelled in the play 
were Laurie M, Irene Vaz, Francisco Fernandes, Margaret D'Cruz, Peter Franco, 
Mirelle Rodrigues, Vincent Dias, Julian Fernandes, Jeremiah Vaz, Lawrence 
Fernandes, etc. All the participants played their parts with great passion and 
perfection. 
 
Peter Franco, the main character of the play, gave a superb performance in the 
role of a Film Director - so also Julian Fernandes who was very impressive.
 
Sylvester along with Simon, Olinda & Saluzinho set the ball rolling singing 
praises to the Lord in English and Konkani with foot-tapping beats, inviting 
the crowd to join them in singing and thus receiving tremendous response..
 
Child artistes Elrich Miranda and Jeremiah Vaz (son of Sylvester Vaz and Irene 
Vaz) amazed the audience with their comedy duo 'Bhikun Martele'. The young 
stars were fittingly applauded for an encore. Konkani stage is sure to see some 
bright stars in future if the young lads continue with their good work. 
 
:::Tribute to the Church:::
 
Esparansa Crasto and Gasper Crasto combined to sing a special 'Tribute to the 
Church', a song highlighting bishops and priests who have struggled over the 
years to strengthen the church. The song was adequately supported with 
transition slides in the backdrop. 
 
The couple's other song - a Hindi dance number 'Dil Kya Karen' was one of the 
highlights of the evening as the crowd was mesmerized by the powerful vocals 
and dancing capabilities of Gasper (who, by the way, was performing on stage 
for the very first time, but seemed on par with established professional 
artistes). It should be noted that Esparansa is a talented and dedicated member 
who has given outstanding performances in almost all of the Holy Family Choir 
presentations.
 
Manddo - dulpod for Goans is a sign of cultural inheritance and traditional 
heritage in the field of art and drama. No Goan function or event is complete 
without a dulpod. But lack of interest within the new generation towards these 
rich, traditional songs, and/or how is it transformed from the original 
'Manddo' to an alienated 'Menddo' in recent times was displayed in a comedy 
sequence based on a manddo featuring Laurie M, Margaret, Simon - Irene, 
Rochelle, Mirelle, Sylvester and Celine. The song received tremendous applause 
from the audience for the way it was personated and presented. 
 
Another hit item of the show was the puppet-show presented on a well decorated 
setting on the yesteryears' famous song of Mendes Bros "Gheun Nachotam" 
featuring Celine, Francisco, Laurie M, Saluzinho, Lawrence F, Olinda, Simon, 
and Master Jeremiah.
 
:::Kuwait - a land of short dreams: A trio to remember:::
 
It is a proven fact that Kuwait is a land of short dreams for people working 
here. Everyone has to return back to their country of origin sooner or later, 
for some reason or another. But there are people who futilely think of making 
their life a permanent haven here without a vision of the future. While others 
thank their stars for being in greener pastures, there are some who show no 
gratitude towards people who brought them to this land. Laurie M - Francisco 
Fernandes and Lawrence Fernandes rendered a trio based on this subject which 
was indeed a revelation. The song had an enlightening theme and lyrics.
 
When a perso

[Goanet] Rhok Kamatik Sahitya Akademi Puraskar..

[Venantius Pinto]

Awesome, Anwesha.
Parab. Porbe. Parabens.
This is the best end of year gift for Konknni's all over the world.

If possible, please post a passage or two, until I get a chance to have the
book in hand.
Please also post details of publisher, places where one may find it in Goa,
etc.

>
> From: "anwesha singbal" 
> Subject: [Goanet] Ahok Kamatik Sahitya Akademi Puraskar..
>
> Noted Konkani writer and activist Ashok Kamat wins the Sahitya Akademi
> award
> for his novel Ghanaghay niyatiche..
> PARABI..!!
>
>
>

[Goanet] Kim and Michael's It's Christmas...

[aavlist]

Dear all,
This is what RJ Alfie has to say about Kim & Michael: "One mind, one heart.. 
two bodies It sounds strange but it is true. For history has given us famous 
pairs of musical teams like Lennon -McCartney, Simon and Garfunkel, Seals & 
Croft and many more; two bodies thinking as one to make sweet music. Goa's 
contribution to that list is Kim & Michael."

Check it out for yourself, sample all their music and download their lyrics 
here: http://www.angelav.com/artists.php?m=1&i=25 

Gift wrapped at no extra cost. Free delivery anywhere in Goa.

Have a Merry Christmas
Orlando Fernandes

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Re: [Goanet] Is religion...

[Santosh Helekar]

It is the issue that dominates most people's lives. It is the issue around 
which most arguments and conflicts are going on in the world today. Without it 
there would not be any political propaganda in this forum. Many forums such as 
Secular Goa forum and religious forums would have to be closed down. 

Cheers,

Santosh


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Frederick "FN" Noronha  wrote:
>
> ... the only thing there is to discuss on Goanet? After 13+
> years
> here, it seems as if we're having all our bandwidth
> clogged up with
> just one issue. Sad! FN
> 


  

Re: [Goanet] GOAN NAMES

[Valmiki Faleiro]

Augusto: I was born much before 1961. My father worked as a doctor
in the Indian Army (not a "Portuguese" army, if I must add to clear your
jaundiced view.) I have never felt my first name to be a "millstone" --
indeed, as I've already said publicly, I am proud of it.

Why do you think I will have to "manoeuvre" through the rest of my
pieces on *Goan names, surnames and nicknames*? Do you imagine
I share your conflict or prejudice with the past -- as goes between the
lines you write below? I will tell the story as it is, as mellifluously as I 
can.

I sure knew your elder brother, Tertuliano --> Tate --> Antonio --> Tony,
and told you how I could not attend his funeral from your home in Moira.
I also know the estate problems his only child by his first marriage is in.

Chuck the old prejudices and the old trash, friend. Charity must start at
home.

Rgds, v

  - Original Message - 
  From: augusto pinto
  To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
  Cc: Valmiki Faleiro
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:28 AM
  Subject: [Goanet] GOAN NAMES



  Dears

  I think Valmiki Faleiro's Herald Sunday Mirror article series on Goan names 
is quite hilarious. But underlying the humour is the 
fact that giving a name to a child is a political act. An act whereby the 
identity of the child is sought to be defined. Somewhere 
after India's independence  and around the time of Goa's Liberation  one can 
find many Goan Catholics were given "Indian" names by 
their parents - Valmiki is one, but also Rabindranath, Gandhi, Aurobindo ... 
and among girls Sunita, Anita and so on - obviously the 
parents were announcing their sympathy to Indian  nationalism.

  However some of the names that were given were given to children during 
Portuguese times were truly millstones around their necks. 
Often it was done to honour an ancestor.  My brother was named Tertuliano, 
after a grandfather, whom someone had named after someone 
who was named after some obscure Christian writer. It was a name which my 
brother detested and so it was made more tolerable by 
shortening it to Tate, But that too  became unacceptable after he went to 
England where he discovered that there Tate was a surname, 
and to be addressed by one's surname as in,"Hello Tate"   was  demeaning. So he 
switched to using his second name Antonio, which he 
further shortened to Tony! Now all these name changing shenanigans may create 
problems for his child in legal affairs as his 
documents bear different names.

  Of late there seems to be a trend of creating hybrid names from the names of 
the father and mother. But sometimes one wishes that 
the parents were a bit careful when they did this - I'm pretty sure it was a 
couple named Felicity and Abdon who stupidly decided to 
name their child Felon. I hope that a Mervin and a Dion don't decide to name 
their child Melon and a Donald and a Cornelia don't 
make their son a Con or worse Corny.

  Surnames are a bit more difficult to manipulate, but here too politics  
enters. A.K Priolkar  exploited this in his clever attack 
on Goan Christians in 'Who is a Goan?' in Goa Re-Discovered, 1967, when he 
suggested that  they should  abandon the Portuguese 
surnames that came to them after conversion, and either revert to their 
original pre-conversion names or take up a suitably Goan 
Hindu sounding one by adopting the name of the village one happens to reside in 
- like Lotlikar, Calangutkar etc - in order that 
they appear more nationalised.

  Anyway, looking forward to see how Valmiki manages to manoeuvre his way 
through the treacherous minefield of names in his future 
articles.

  Cheers
  Augusto

  -- 
  Augusto Pinto
  40, Novo Portugal,
  Moira, Bardez,
  Goa, India
  E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in
  P 0832-2470336
  M 9881126350

[Goanet] Ferrytale -I-III *Fairy Tale of Ferries *

[Venantius Pinto]

For the sake of the common Konknni reading Goans, I hope Messias' factually
investigative articles are appearing in the Konknni media. This sort f info
is too perilous to ignore or be limited to the English media alone.

venantius j pinto

>
> From: "Lionel Messias" 
> Subject: [Goanet] Lion Roars
>
> Ferrytale -III *Fairy Tale of Ferries *
>
>
>

[Goanet] Religion

[Mervyn & Elsie Maciel]

I am in total agreement with what FN has said.Religion, as we all know, is a
personal matter and  best left out of
goanet.



Mervyn Maciel

[Goanet] God sucks

[Samir Kelekar]

Title said it all.

regards,
Samir



  

[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] Chr*stmas Day

[Jude Botelho]

21-Dec-2008

Dear Friend,

Once again it’s Christmas time, a time when we celebrate God’s coming into this 
world bringing us joy and peace to men of goodwill. But what really is 
Christmas? To some it is a time of celebration with fine food, music and gift 
giving. To others it is time of carol singing and crib building, and going to 
the mid-night mass. Is it merely a recalling of a past event, the first 
Christmas? Are we play-acting when we celebrate Christmas? It can be real if 
we, like Mary, let God come into our lives. If we let God the outsider come in. 
If we recognize Him, coming to us through our brothers and sisters! I want to 
wish you a Holy and blessed Christmas! Do enjoy and celebrate God, Emmanuel 
with us! -Fr. Jude 

Sunday Reflections: –Christmas Day   ‘Emmanuel, God-with-us’    25-Dec-2008 
Readings: Isaiah 9: 1-6;   Titus 2: 11-14;  Luke 2: 1-14;
     
All the prophets taught that someday God would intervene in history and 
liberate His people and give them liberty and happiness. The oracle from Isaiah 
contained in the first reading expresses this hope. We know that the fulfilling 
of this prophecy took place with the coming of Jesus Christ. The presence of 
God brings light and happiness into the world. St. John often contrasts good 
and evil as light and darkness. Christ is the light bringing deliverance. 
Isaiah compares the liberation from Assyrian captivity as the breaking of the 
yoke and the lifting of the burden on their shoulders. Four titles are given to 
this child who is to be the ideal king. Wonder- Counsellor – a title reserved 
to God alone, Mighty God- nowhere else do we find a king called Mighty-God, 
Eternal Father and Prince of Peace. This child will combine the qualities of 
great kings and Patriarchs. His coming will usher in peace for all peoples- the 
Prince of Peace.

In The Deep Shadow a Light has Shone
High in the Andes, an Indian prince is anointed in the darkness. Then, on a 
large raft in the centre of a sacred lake, his naked body is plastered with 
gold dust by members of his tribe. They turn away so that they do not look on 
his face. They all wait in silence. Then the sun comes over the horizon and 
bathes in its light the Indian prince, gold in glory. He plunges into the lake, 
and the people cast jewels and sacred objects of gold into the water to 
sanctify the place where he swims. He is the legendary Eldorado, the gilded 
one. The ceremony is the annual ritual to the god of the sun on behalf of the 
people who depend on its power.  The feast of Christmas originated when the 
cult of the sun was particularly strong in Rome. The pagan festival was 
baptized by the church in Rome which used the same date to celebrate the birth 
of Christ. We do not know the date of Jesus’ birth, but we do know why December 
25th was chosen as the date to celebrate the
 birth. For us the Yule logs and candles symbolize the warmth and light of 
another sun: the Son of God. In the darkness of this night we celebrate the 
birth of the light of the world. 
Denis McBride in ‘Seasons of the Word’

The second reading taken from the letter of Paul to Titus, Paul stresses the 
fact that in the incarnation of the Word, the grace of God, the source of 
salvation is made manifest. Paul encourages simplicity of life and 
single-mindedness of purpose. Our minds and hearts have to be focused on God 
and all that comes in between God and us should be avoided or put aside. 
Salvation means participation in the life and happiness of God himself. As the 
Israelites were expected to be holy as God himself, so we are expected to be as 
good as Jesus was good. To be a Christian is to become another Christ, the 
incarnate son of God.

The Greatest Discovery
Sir James Simpson had made a number of scientific discoveries including the 
anesthetic property of chloroform. He became world famous in 1847. One day, 
when Sir James Simpson was old and was lecturing, one of his students asked 
him, “Sir, what is your greatest discovery?” The scientist answered, “The 
greatest discovery I had ever made was: I am a great sinner and Jesus Christ is 
my great Saviour.” 
John Rose in ‘John’s Sunday Homilies’ 
 
Today’s gospel focuses on the simple and ordinary birth of Jesus born unknown 
and unproclaimed in a stable in the little town of Nazareth in Galilee. His 
parents were forced to go out of obedience to the emperor, Caesar Augustus, who 
imposed his will on the known world – in Bethlehem, a child was born. The 
Saviour of the world, the Son of God is born unnoticed by the great, without 
any fanfare in a little known town. The time of his coming did not appear 
auspicious as no one was prepared for his coming and no one except Mary and 
Joseph waited for him. Mary was ready and gave birth to her son and laid him in 
the manger. The saviour came in weakness and in need and Mary wrapped him in 
swaddling clothes and made him as comfortable as possible in the stable as 
there was no room i

[Goanet] TERRORISM AWARENESS MEET AT BICHOLIM ON SUNDAY

[samir umarye]

-- 
Samir Umarye

BICHOLIM DEC 23: To bring about an awareness among the people
concerning terrorism and it's ill-effects the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti
(HJS) Goa has organised a public meeting on Sunday, December 28 at 5
pm at Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Maidan Bicholim.

Addressing a press conference here in the city the Goa co-ordinator fo
HJS, Sadashiv Dhond expressed an urgent need to bring about awareness
among the people concerning terrorism in the country. "Our state is
also not free from such activities and some of the terrorists held by
the police earlier had disclosed their plans to attack Goa" Dhond told
adding "this threat is universal and there is an urgent need for an
awareness among the people."

"This is the sixth public meeting in the state and around 5000 people
would attend the meet" Dhond expressed his confidence "the campaigning
has already started in areas including Bicholim, Mayem, Valpoi, Parye,
Pali and Tivim."

Dhond also expressed his concern over the temple desecration in
several places in the state. He also asked others not to interfere in
the Hindu religion. "Let all have their own religion and no one should
interfere in someone else's customs and beliefs" he told.

Pithadhishwar Shree Kshetra Tapobhumi, H H Brahmeshanand Swami Maharaj
would be the chief guest for the function. RSS chief Goa Unit, Prof
Subhash Velingkar; Sangam Borkar (Dharmashakti Sena); Madan Sawant
(Sanatan Sanstha); Jayesh Thali (HJS) would also be present for the
function.

The HJS Bicholim chief, Prashant Chanekar; representative of  RSS,
Sunil Vengurlekar; representative of Sanatan Sanstha, Sangeeta Naik
were also expressed their support for the meeting.

[Goanet] Religion .....ad nauseam.

[SHRIKANT BARVE]

Deas Religion affects our public life!

At least here on goanet we can put a break on the discussion...

Let there be another forum to discuss Religion of Goan. 

There will be good space as also good contribution from silent viewers to 
discuss more interesting topics ...

FN please do some think

Shrikant Vinayak Barve



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[Goanet] Gram Sabha - open forum at Gomantak on Friday 26th Dec at 11.00am

[SHRIKANT BARVE]

Goaneters,

Gomantak marathi is organising OPEN FORUM on GRAM SABHA, It Power and value, on 
Friday Dec 26 at 11.00am at its premises at St Inez, Panaji.

http://www.egomantak.com/dainikgomantak/gomantak/12232008/rightframe.html

This will be a good opportunity to pass your message to varnacular readers.

You can call Suhar Belekar for more information. 

Shrikant Vinayak Barve
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[Goanet] Saraswats, looking at their past and present ...

[Goanet News]

SARASWATS, LOOKING AT THEIR PAST AND PRESENT ...

PANJIM, Goa: The origins of Goa's most influential caste
grouping, the Saraswats, is enveloped in historical
obscurity, says a new book focussing exclusively on this
community.

"Scholars have put forth a number of theories based on their
study of (the) epics and the Puranas, but these theories are
largely unsubstantiated," says 'The Saraswats', a
just-released book authored by ex-editor Chandrakant Keni.

Evidence has also been largely derived from legends and
folklore, but "rather nebulously", writes the book.
"Prejudiced theories in favour of one's own sect are also
common."

Keni notes that "groups of the community" have sought to
differentiate themselves from "mainstream Saraswats" by
attributing their distinctive identity to theor gepgraphical
location.

He points out that followers of the Chitrapur Mutt "assert
their own identity" by calling themselves Chitrapur Saraswat
Brahmins (CSBs) and refer to the followers of other Saraswat
mutts (religious or monastic institution) .. as Gaud Saraswat
Brahmins (GSBs).

But, he says, Sashtikars, Shenais, Bardezkars and Pednekars
have "done away with mental and practical barriers". Even the
Rajapur Saraswats have returned to acknowledge their GSB
roots, writes Keni.

"Numerous research scholars have produced sufficient evidence
to prove that the community is one, and th enames which have
been associated with each group are related only to the
geographical area of their settlement -- either in the
Gomanta or Aparanta (regions along the western Indian
coast)," writes the former editor of the Rashtramath.

>From where, when and why the members of this community
migrated (to coastal India and Goa) is a subject of divergent
opinion, argues Keni.

The word 'Saraswat' is derived from the River Saraswati,
which sprang from the Himalayas and a number of references to
it can be found in the Rig-Veda, the Mahabharata and the
Smritis.

Yet another theory is that the Saraswats were natives of
Tirhut. A few Portuguese chronicles trace the origins of the
Saraswat to the South.

Keni notes that there are ten 'distinct categories' of
Saraswat Brahmins, who comprise of traders on the eastern and
western seas.

Some are 'pure', some 'impure', and others are 'siddhas' (or,
who do not observe any restrictions.

Keni writes: "At present, small communities of Saraswats also
exist in Rajputana, Sind, Gujarat and Kathiawar. These
communities are likely to have their roots in Kashmir." He
cites theories regarding the Saraswats' migration from
Kashmir, including by Dr James Buchanan.

Of the various Saraswat communities, which are to be found in
the North and the South of India, the Saraswats of Goa and
the west coast alone are known as Gaud Saraswats, says Keni.

His 431-page recently-published book is published by the V M
Salgaocar Foundation of Vasco-da-Gama and priced at Rs 395.

ENDS

[Goanet] Religion .....ad nauseam.

[Vivian A. DSouza]

I like to echo Frederick's comment.  I am tired of hearing about religion and 
related subjects on this forum.  Religion is a personal matter close to each 
one's heart.  Can we just leave it there ?  If some folks want to discuss 
religion and related topics, perhaps they can create a separate forum to 
verbally bash each other, and spare the rest of us the bandwith. 
 
 Unfortunately many who profess their religiosity become demagogues with scant 
respect for others with or without beliefs.  These are the kind of folks who 
are influenced and brainwashed by their handlers to create the mayhem such as 
we recently experienced in Mumbai, all in the name of their so-called God.

[Goanet] The Right to Convert

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

This message is in reply to message: 2, dated: Mon, 22 Dec 2008, from: Mario
Goveia under subject titled: The Right to Convert

Mario writes: Dr. Barad,

I have good news for you.  The Bush administration, which BTW has only been
in power since 2001 and has had their hands full in converting 50 million
Muslims to freedom and democracy, will be over in another month, so you can
begin to transfer the "hatching" to Barack Obama's transition team.  Sonal
Shah may be able to help you get to the right people.

Isn't it "sinister and subversive" to demand in a free society like India
that people must continue to profess the religion of their birth even if if
they want to follow a different religion after they grow up?

MY RESPONSE: Mario, you tried a lot to impress on this topic but failed like
Bush. You had no answer(s) to my responses to Goanet. So Mario, please
continue to enjoy with your favorite Bush in bush. 

Sun will rise on 20th January 2009 with bright colors and if you and Bush
are unwilling to see those bright colors I suggest you start bushing around
in dark with your favorite BUSH. 

Best regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad  

[Goanet] The Right to Convert

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

Under subject mentioned as in above, Fr. Ivo C da Souza, on Sat, 12/20/08,
makes a good point saying: There have been cases of conversion "by force" in
the 16th century, but that was never an official policy of the European
missionaries who worked in India. The First Provincial Council of Goa, held
in 1567, forbade the use of force, by decreeing that "it is not lawful to
bring anyone over to our faith and baptism by means of force with threats or
terror, because no one comes to Christ by faith, unless he is drawn by the
heavenly Father with voluntary love and prevenient grace" (Bullarium
Patronatus APP I, p.6).

My query: Fr. Ivo, without contesting to your above points and considering
what you wrote above is correct; please answer my stupid / ignorant
questions: 

1)  Did Christianity prevailed in Goa much before 1567?
2)  In which year Portuguese took over Goa? 
3)  Is the year you quoted (The First Provincial Council of Goa, held in
1567) synchronizes with second point as is mentioned above. If not, The
First Provincial Council of Goa, held in 1567 as is mentioned by you is
totally wrong. Do you agree with this!  
4)  How Christianity got spread in Goa after Portuguese started ruling
Goa?
5)  What is the percentage of Catholics in Goa as of date? 

Fr. Ivo, what ever be your explanations, I will not respond to your message.
I only need clarification / rather answer from you in this forum. 

Best regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad

[Goanet] Sad says FN

[george Menezes]

I agree with you

Religion is such a private and personal thing

Pity we are continuosly discussing it in public fora

George

[Goanet] Ahok Kamatik Sahitya Akademi Puraskar..

[anwesha singbal]

Noted Konkani writer and activist Ashok Kamat wins the Sahitya Akademi award
for his novel Ghanaghay niyatiche..
PARABI..!!

[Goanet] Ref: Right to Convert

[Freddy Fernandes]

In Response to:

Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:12:21 +0530
From: "Marshall Mendonza" 
Subject: [Goanet] Right to Convert

 

Dear Marshall, Dr. Barad, Santosh, Samir, Vinay ,

 

I tried to refrain myself from getting tangled in this thread that was turning
rather myopic. First and foremost I am sure you all will agree with me, that
each one of you is voicing his support, for his beliefs because of your birth in
that particular sect of society. Religion did not come from haven it was
introduced by man so that we could live in peace, harmony and in morality, but
unfortunately religion has divided humanity and humanitarian values are
forgotten in the bargain. 

 

Comparatively, by percentage Goa is just second in India as far as Christian
population is concerned, next only to Kerala. I have said this before, and say
it again,  I am sure every one will agree with this, "conversions" by force and
fraud are wrong and should not be supported in any way, "if" it is happening.
Did we hear of any conversions by force or fraud in Kerala or Goa  ?  Both
Kerala and Goa have a very high literacy rate and minimal castes beliefs
compared to the rest of India. Education does play a very important role in
society.

 

Are any of the guys on this particular thread living in MP, AP or Orissa ? I am
sure not, so it's hearsay and links that we are bickering over, the facts that
transpired there, only the people involved and affected know the bitter truth. I
will only say, let the truth speak for it's self. 

 

Getting back to the reasons, force and fraud condemned, lets take on allurement
or enticement. Lets take a look at the our great politicians that sit in the
Parliament and Vidhan Sabhas and pass laws and rules, before election lots of
favours in cash and kind exchange hands for support, what is it called -
allurement, after election horse trading goes on, what is that called -
allurement, where we work, we keep on changing jobs for better prospects, what
is that called - allurement or enticement. We go to other countries in search of
jobs or a better life, what is it called - allurement. Who on earth does not
want to be better off in life ? That's the universal right of a person. I am not
saying conversions on allurement are being done or not, because I do not know,
neither do you. So if allurement is used hypothetically, what is wrong, if that
is wrong all the above should be wrong and stopped, did we not all see the cash
bundles fiasco in Parliament, the whole world saw it.

 

As for faith healings, it's each ones beliefs, one will not know it until one
experiences it. I have seen it happen, you may not have, so keep the option
open. I have seen a lot of non Christians get healed and embrace the religion
out of their own free will, people who have not seen it will definitely say
other wise. Lets leave it to each one to decide which faith one wants to change
to after all it's each ones "right".

 

Why doesn't the VHP, BD, RSS match or out do the Christian missionaries is
public service ? If they do that , then certainly there wouldn't be any
problems.  Would there be ?  To preach is very easy to put it in practice is
very difficult.

 

There is another problem that's making the rounds with links, foreign funds.
Most of the charity institutions get foreign funds imperative of religion, the
only problem is how the organization uses those funds, I can assure Dr. Barad
that the IRA is not having a rebirth in India and thank God for that, otherwise
we would have gulped down more than we could chew. 

 

So lets all be sensible and show that we are educated enough to put aside our
religious biases and take a real hard look at what's happening in Goa and fight
in unity for a better Goa for Goans.

 

Lets all say SAYANORA to this THREAD 

 

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes


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Re: [Goanet] Shack owners cry foul over ban on Goa beach parties

[Seb dc]

This is surprising to all party goers i suppose, not just the shack owners. 
While terrorist attacked hotels in Mumbai leaving the beaches, in Goa Diggu 
& Ravi have intellegence saying the beaches will be attacked in Goa and 
hotels will be spared. Who is the actual Terrorist?


I wonder how much the hotels have shelled out to keep them out.

hAVE a nICE dAY
Seb



Shack owners cry foul over ban on Goa beach parties

Panaji, Dec 21: Hoteliers have breathed a sigh of relief at the
government's decision to exclude hotels from the ban on parties in
Goa, but shack owners are crying foul over it.




--- IANS

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-63215.html

[Goanet] Lion Roars

[Lionel Messias]

Ferrytale -III *Fairy Tale of Ferries *

Twenty-eight rivers to be crossed in Goa, but only 23 ferries available to
you – an inexplicable shortfall of five. And, did it cross your mind that if
the government takes Mauvin Godinho pitching for one Ravindra Bhavan per
taluka seriously, you will end up with more Ravindra Bhavans than your
much-needed neighbourhood ferry. Consider, as I said last week, this: ferry
Rai – bottom plates require replacement; ferry Divar – bottom plates require
replacement; ferry Diu –bottom/hull is weak and its doublers have been
welded together; and ferry Sanguem – deck plates completely perforated.
Plus, the fact these urgently needed repairs must be scheduled in the next
4-6 months. You are never ever going to get a ferry service that deserves to
be called a ferry service. The logic: your government does not understand
the simple principle behind the supply and demand theory. Mildly put, this
is a logistics problem poor sods like you and me will have to navigate all
alone. To put it entirely in a new perspective, this government seems
determined to juggle around with whatever its existing (on that day) fleet
of ferries is. It does not matter to it how many more ferries get laid up
for repairs.

*Vasco da Gama and his sailors had an easier passage to India *

*Look at the risks you run:*

*Ferries waiting their turn to be repaired at the marine workshop, Betim*

Cumbarjua – Major repairs being carried out.
Quepem – Awaiting major repairs since February 2006. Repairs to be carried
out by third party.
Chandor – Awaiting major repairs since February 2007. Repairs to be carried
out by third party.
Canacona – Awaiting major repairs since October 2007 – Bottom perforated.
Major repairs to be carried out immediately.
Zuari – Awaiting major repairs since August 2008. Bottom perforated. Major
repairs to be carried out immediately.
Harvalem –Awaiting major repairs since August 2008. Bottom plate perforated.
Major repairs to be carried out immediately.
Zorint – Major repairs being carried out since September 2008.
Dudhsagar – Awaiting major repairs since July 2008. Repairs to be carried
out by third party.
Betul – Awaiting major repairs since September 2008. Has weak bottom. Kept
at workshop since October 25, 2008.

The notations on the seaworthiness or delay in even bothering to repair the
ferries are not mine. They are the comments of the River Navigation
Department and speak volumes on how much your *montris* care for you.
Imagine, in the midst of the mother of all recessions, and in the aftermath
of which India's most gung ho SEZ players are themselves acting to get their
mega plans denotified (see Herald Biz December 11), the Goa Industrial
Development Corporation intends to construct an industrial estate at
Carambolim on 2.82 lakh sq mts.

*Not Seaworthy*

That the ferries in Goa are single-bottomed unlike barges and other ships
which have double–bottoms, is a worse concern. In a built-to-specifications
vessel the two steel bottoms encase a series of tanks, because if a barge or
ship springs a major leak, the leakage in the vessel is controlled or
staggered. This is a very basic explanation to how these vessels are
specifically designed for such an eventuality, but says enough for the lay
person. If a ferry springs a major leak, sea water will fill the vessel in a
rush and simply inundate it till it sinks like a stone in water. The panic
passengers will cause as a result, and the unevenly distributed weight of
the vehicles in the ferry will only hasten the sinking of a ferry. This is
the cold as steel reality.

For a State that has easily the worst public transport system in India and
possibly in Asia (only Bangladesh could arguably rival Goa) the river
transport is no better. If you have not had the courage to look at the
rusted bottom and sides of the ferry you use to cross over daily, drum up
the courage and take a hard look at the facts. The harder facts are there is
just no money to be made in building new ferries for you, like there is in
building Ravindra Bhavans, six-lane highways, sports stadia, industrial
estates, SEZs etc etc. The only money that can be made on Goa's rivers; is
in building barges. You will be as stunned as if a Tsunami hit you if I tell
you how many of your *montris *own barges. Don't get too anxious for the
moment about who owns those SUVs that crawl the Mandovi and Zuari taking
away our wealth and gifting it to China, there is time for that. *

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[Goanet] Cut The Loose Talk TOI editorial

[SHRIKANT BARVE]

At Crusial times we must give benefit of doubt to Vigilant people.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/3875973.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/3875973.cms

You said it right Editor,  Times of India. The statement which was made by a 
Minister for Minority affairs was itself in bad in taste. Timing was worst. 
He is a Central Minister. He has his own resouces to confirm few important 
thinks before making such wrong statement. He was also a Ex. CM of the State. 
We also know that media should cover statements of Minister but could have 
restraned it from publisizing. 
Minister is singing enemys tunes and it takes Congress Governement to take any 
firm action over 100 hours! There are few exchage of thoughts with in 
themselves.. these is a very bad culture in Congress, not to be firm even at 
crises time. 

PM should have sacked him Immediately after meeting him in person.
Congress Govt. is sending very bad signals to Pakistan as also to world 
community. 

Shrikant Vinayak Barve
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[Goanet] Will someone ask Manohar Parrikar what is his stand

[Miguel Braganza]

Dear Albertina,

Perhaps you have not read the Sakal's Gomantak Times this morning. For, if you 
did, you could not have missed the smiling face of Shri Manohar Parrikar and 
his Bhandari alter-ego, Shripad Naik on a colour facsmile of the audio CD 
titled "Khuxal Bhorit Natalam". The songs are jingle bells all the way to the 
polling boooth for the upcoming Lok Sabha elections! 

If the BJP Goa "State Cultural Cell" is distributing free Christmas carols in 
KONKANI [title written in ROMAN SCRIPT on the cover],  then Christianity, or at 
least Catholicism, is part of the BJP culture. there is no disclaimer like E.& 
O.E. on the bills to say "VHP and RSS, excluding". If Christmas carols are good 
for Parikar, they are good for Satish Dhond, Subhash Velinkar, Subhash Salkar 
and the rest. You can still write to him at manohar.parri...@rediffmail.com  
for confirmation. A lawyer may be better than a journalist for such matters. ;-)

Mog asundi

Miguel


PS

Did someone not tell you that Shri L. K. Advani commanded the BJP folks in 
Orissa to celebrate their bandh elsewhere or on another day. Raping nuns and 
killing Christians on Christmas day may freeze all the fund flows from USA that 
keep their spunk flowing. It was tough enough to defend Sonal Shah's 
connections that popped up when you Googled her name and she is now in 
Obama HUSSAIN Barack's cabinet!! I was in Bhubaneshwar those days. The 
newspaers changed their tone on the front pages like a Red litmus paper turns 
Blue when it touches an Alkali. Money [as in funds] has a strange alchemy.

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:05:49 +0530
From: "Albertina Almeida" 
Subject: [Goanet] Will someone ask Manohar Parrikar what is his stand
onwhat his party colleague in Orissa has said on the floor ofthe 
Orissa Assembly?
Message-ID:
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BJP legislator Mahesh Sahu is reported to have remarked on the floor
of the Orissa Assembly that those who felt apprehensive could go to
Italy, Australia or Kerala to celebrate Christmas.(see news item from
Indian Express of 19th December below). Will someone (ideally journos)
ask Manohar Parrikar what is his stand on what his party colleague in
Orissa has said on the floor of the Orissa Assembly? Will he state
whether that is the BJP's party line or whether the party is disowning
that MLA and if so what is the party's action against that MLA?

albertina

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tension-in-kandhamal-as-christian-leader-kidnapped/400298/

Tension in Kandhamal as Christian leader kidnapped
Bhubaneswar: 
The alleged kidnapping may worsen the situation in Kandhamal as it
comes a week before the December 25 Orissa bandh called by Swami
Laxmanananda Saraswati Shraddhanjali Samiti to protest police inaction
in arresting Saraswati's killers.

Though the BJP is yet to take an official stand on whether to support
the bandh or not, the party is readying for a face-off with the BJD
over the bandh. BJP legislator Mahesh Sahu created a flutter in the
Assembly when he remarked that those who felt apprehensive could go to
Italy, Australia or Kerala to celebrate Christmas. Worried over the
bandh call, the Government has deployed 45 companies of the CRPF and
sealed the district borders.
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[Goanet] Sri Ganesha: Launch of my photography website

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

Announcing the launch of my new photography 
website.  The URL is -

http://www.parrikar.com

and the blog is at - 

http://www.parrikar.com/blog

Best viewed in Firefox or Safari.  I have not tested 
for Google Chrome since the Mac version is not yet 
available.  IE, needless to add, is a pile of rubbish.

At the broadband speeds available in Goa, the site
may take a wee bit longer to load.  But once you 
have the photos loaded into the cache, viewing 
should be a cinch.  

The "info" bar at the bottom toggles between ON and 
OFF and furnishes captions for each photograph.  
The "full" button affords full-screen viewing which
you should take advantage of since the images 
have been optimized for larger sizes.

Bookmark these links.  In the coming weeks and 
months, I shall continue to post a great deal more 
on the blog about my extensive shoots in Goa, and 
discuss the historical/religious/cultural/archaelogical/ 
social/scientific - as the case may be - aspects 
germane to specific photographs.  All peppered 
with my xapoter commentary.  I expect to have 
at least one new entry up every 7-10 days.

Forward the URL to as many Goans as you 
can.  Every serious photographer aims to draw
his viewer into his locale and recreate a sense
of the place he has captured.  But I did not shoot 
in Goa as a tourist or as a visiting photographer.  
To me, it was an intensely personal mission, in 
a place I identify with and understand like no 
other.  I want every single Goan to look at these 
pictures of Goa and imagine what it would 
be like to lose it all.  And then think of how to
save Goa from our enemies from within and 
the enemies from the larger Indian swamp 
beyond its borders.  

Before I sign off - Feliz Natal !

Warm regards,


r

ps: I will be posting some remarks on the current morbid
state of Goa sometime early next month.  In particular,
I want to talk about the rotten NGOs and 'activists' who
are as much, if not more, complicit in Goa's destruction
as our politicos.  I may even name names to illustrate
my point.  Stay tuned.

[Goanet] Lion Roars

[Lionel Messias]

Ferrytale - II *Shock and awe*

My investigation of the ferry problem exposed two amazing facts. One I can
understand, the other I can't. Approximately, Rs 9 cr is spent by the
government to run the ferry service every year. That I can understand. If
there is a disruption in service, more often than not, even before the users
(who) are affected, the shop vendors at the entrance to the jetties and the
motorcycle pilots are the first to complain as they have a vested interest –
their business gets affected. On the other hand, it appears that of these
two breeds, the shop vendors would be happier if there was only a skeletal
service running at each jetty – the more the people waiting for a longer
period of time for the boats, the brisker is their business. Not so with the
pilots who'd be on the side of the commuter – a faster throughput for him
would be welcome. Whatever be the facts, this is the real picture: There is
just too much for the tiny fleet of ferries to handle.

*The Crossing (ferries operating as on November 24 2008)*

Kerim-Tiracol -1

Kiranpani-Aronda -1

Camurlim-Tuem -1

Calvim-Carona -1

Pomburpa-Chorao -1

Panjim-Betim -1

Ribandar-Chorao -3

Old Goa-Divar -1

Ribandar-Divar -2

Vanxim-Amboi -1

Naroa-Divar -1

Tolto-Dhauji -1

Cumbarjua-Gaundalim -1

Tonca-Sarmanas -1

Volvoi-Surla-Maina -1

Madcaim-Cortalim -2

Rassaim-Durbhat -1

Rai-Shiroda -1

Cavelossim-Assolna -1

*Total crossings: 28*
*
Ferries available: 23*

Details of major repairs that will have to be scheduled in the next 4-6
months:

Ferry Rai –Bottom plates require replacement.

Ferry Divar –Bottom plates require replacement.

Ferry Diu –Bottom/hull is weak and doublers welded together.

Ferry Sanquem – Deck plates completed perforated.

This is the stark truth and if you think the ferry you use to cross over
daily is any better off than the above listed. Think again. Better still,
check out the gaping holes on the sides of the ferry. Which is why I said
you can start whistling if you think this what-calls-for-drastic action
problem, is never going to be fixed. This government and the minister who
got dumped with the portfolio of River Navigation Department are just not
interested. They are looking at greener pastures like turning Margao into a
whole new arts and culture centre.

While this government makes it so easy to be nailed for its sins of omission
and commission, a disturbing fact is that Divar island (and I presume Chorao
as well) has helped spawn a culture of bribe. For the official Rs 10
Ribandar-Divar fare, the ticketless tariff is Rs 5 and for the official Rs 7
Old Goa-Divar fare, the ticketless travels costs Rs 5. I see the logic
(though I do not myself indulge) in paying Rs 5 instead of Rs 10, but for
crying out loud, why pay Rs 5 for Rs 7. The downside is the ferry staff go
overboard (metaphorically speaking) to accommodate the many, many trucks and
buses that cross daily, because there's really big money to be made. In fact
between squeezing in the trucks and two-wheelers who despite the fact they
were allowed to travel free (a dole out before the last elections) by the
MLA and former Navigation Department minister Pandurang Madkaikar and think
the ferries were specially built for them, crossing across from Divar has
come to be a major irritant if you own a car.

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[Goanet] Religion .....ad nauseam.

[Vivian A. DSouza]

I like to echo Frederick's comment.  I am tired of hearing about religion and 
related subjects on this forum unless it is directly related to Goa and Goans.  
Religion is a personal matter close to each one's heart.  Can we just leave it 
there ?  If some folks want to discuss religion and related topics, perhaps 
they can create a separate forum to verbally bash each other, and spare the 
rest of us the bandwith.