[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (17Jun09)
Thank You Diggu Kaka for Losing the SEZ Cup! To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Put an end to doubts about my identity (hopefully!)
Dear Sapna, Don't be unnecessarily perturbed by the abundance of chauvinism which abounds on Goanet. As a survivor of such chauvinism, I can assure you that their bark is worse than their bite and the reasons for wanting to verifying your identity may not be for the purposes you assume them to be :-) Goanet is a great place to hang out and I'm sure if you give as good as you get, you'll have a great time and make loads of friends. We need more female voices on this forum and I for one welcome you wholeheartedly. Best, Selma --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sapna Shahani sapnashah...@gmail.com wrote: Let me take this opportunity to invite anyone on Goanet who would like to meet me to determine who I am to please email me and I will gladly make myself available. Frederick, thanks for sharing that article, I found it quite informational. Best, Sapna.
[Goanet] Goa news for June 17, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa buys Dempo\'s mining - Wall Street Journal argest acquisition in India's iron ore industry, Sesa Goa, a subsidiary of London-listed Vedanta Resources, today acquired Goa-based Dempo group's mining and maritime businesses for Rs 17.5 billion in an all-cash deal. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124477538725409047.html?mod=googlenews_wsjcid=1259165391ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNHcAzzPHxnWzTvem_F3p4E5vQjsEw *** Goa beat West Bengal for title - Arab Times in the finals of the 63rd edition of the Santosh Trophy at the Nehru Stadium to settle the great Indian football rivalry in their favor. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.arabtimesonline.com/kuwaitnews/pagesdetails.asp?nid=33690ccid=10cid=1260413176ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNFsk7z5AtA4GPgZ27Pei25KY25PnQ *** Goa scraps SEZ policy, at last - Herald Publications nd-a-half year after the Goa Government officially said 'No' to SEZs in Goa. The Cabinet today has decided to withdraw SEZ policy 2006, Chief Minister Digambar Kamat announced at a post-Cabinet ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23176cid=2cid=1261594219ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNH6ZpTYBH8W_7L1FxiIKgO21CAydA *** Goa appeals Centre to grant tax exemption - Business Standard http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goa-appeals-centre-to-grant-tax-exemption/64720/oncid=1262019669ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNHZmutXOm9aeEF5l5jHbA2mWOJUyg *** Goa ranks below national average, says survey - Times of India http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa-ranks-below-national-average-says-survey/articleshow/4664491.cmscid=1261614143ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNHdEC9VYpxAIjt53bRnepKRlMuhJA *** GOA Makes its Debut on Tradeshow Week\'s Top 200 - What They Think Graphics of the Americas (GOA), the largest annual combined exposition and education event in the US and produced by the Printing Association of Florida, proudly announces its debut to the prestigious Tradeshow Week 200 list. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=37311cid=1261563719ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNHqyoIpflo-M6ouV27X5-dZeLwaNA *** Goa SIO keen on changing present education system - Times of India mes of India, IndiaPresident of the Goa zone, Anwar Khan, said that the new Goa office will operate as a full fledged library for students and a platform to interact and share views on serious subjects. Study workshops will also be organized to stimulate interaction, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa-SIO-keen-on-changing-present-education-system/articleshow/4660254.cmscid=0ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNF3pZDSrSZ2LPY9ehd0lqMGYZ7AIg *** Goa Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan to fortify school enrolment drive - Times of India f-school children back toschool. All block resource persons of the SSA have been issued circulars to conduct a workshop in June wherein unschooled children and ngos ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa-Sarva-Shiksha-Abhiyan-to-fortify-school-enrolment-drive/articleshow/4660251.cmscid=0ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNED8bzgJqSrh0a0wacEqJFW7pJ6Yw *** \'Goa\' crew returns to Chennai - IndiaGlitz diaGlitz, CAShooting for the second schedule of 'Goa', whichwas on in 'Goa', has been completed and the team has returned to the city for a short break. 'Goa', being directed by Venkat Prabhu, has Jai, Vaibhav, Premji and Arvind Aakash in the lead, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/47611.htmlcid=0ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNFDSJwDJ9Xj2oExOtx-8d623AfkNQ *** Sesa Goa plans to raise nearly Rs 583 cr - Economic Times onomic Times, India16 Jun 2009, 2148 hrs IST, PTI NEW DELHI: Vedanta group company Sesa Goais looking to raise about Rs 583 crore through issue of shares to the firm's promoters and its associates. Sesa Goa would seek shareholders approval for the proposal at its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Indl-Goods--Svs/Sesa-Goa-plans-to-raise-nearly-Rs-583-cr/articleshow/4663928.cmscid=0ei=-yo4SsXyFpLSjAf5xsWJCAusg=AFQjCNFXEv0YGKJOHVyt1ZCC_VitkU7RfA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Goa's vanishing coastline
Goa's vanishing coastline Tejas Mehta Sunday, June 14, 2009, (Goa) One of the world's most beautiful and popular stretches of white sand are the Goa beaches. One stormy monsoon night in the year 2000, a 240 m long ship, River Princess, broke its anchor and got stuck here. Since then it hasn't budged. The result? Twenty thousand tonnes of rusting metal, on Goa's famous beaches. This has led to an environmental disaster as these beaches are now almost on the verge of disappearing as the ship interferes with the natural movement of sand. The Goa government has been accused of inaction, of doing little to remove this ship. Now, 9 years later, just before this monsoon, they seem to have woken up. The government is placing massive tubes, which they hope will serve as artificial sand dunes, like shock-absorbers between the land and the sea. Tubes that have cost Rs 6 crore. Almost 10 metres into the seabed, the ship blocks sand that moves along the beach feeding it. The National Institute of Oceanography in Goa says 60 metres of the beach, south of the ship has already disappeared. The government even introduced a new law that enabled them to confiscate the ship. But its owner, Anil Salgaoncar, an influential business tycoon and an independent MLA dragged them to court where the matter is still pending. It's the result of 10 years of rank incompetence. And this is all over the country when it comes to management of the beaches. The government thinks they don't have to put a single rupee, said Claude Alvares, Director, Goa Foundation. They have allowed this to consciously degrade and that is the shameful part. But the damage is more widespread. Scientists say, while Goa thrives on tourism, the industry is also responsible for coastal degradation. With no one to monitor its 100 kms coast line sand dunes and vegetation on the beaches have been wiped off destroying much of the coasts' natural defence system. It is a situation that is distressing a 80-year-old Goan. This is not my Goa anymore. The glory of the old beaches is lost, says Joseph Menezes, Resident, Goa. Back at the Candolim beach, the beach is gone and tourists have reduced. Now, this monstrous disaster where the silhouette of the ship can be seen as the wave crashes on shore, is the new attraction. The carnival in Goa as they say just doesn't stop. http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/new/Ndtv-Show-Special-Story.aspx?ID=169StoryID=NEWEN20090097349ch=615200981400AM
[Goanet] Save the frog / Torches in the Fields at Night
If millions of frogs are being born in Goa every year, millions are dying. If all the millions of frogs, lived and did not die, Goa would be overrun by billions of frogs by now which is not the case. Clearly the frog population is threatened and hence it is against the law to kill or consume frog in Goa. http://www.savethefrogs.com/frogblog/?m=200905 Quote from the above blog: Hunting,capturing and killing of any frog species is banned in the state of Goa under the Wildlife Protection Act of 1972. Similarly, serving frog meat in restaurants or private establishments is illegal and can result in a fine and/or imprisonment. george
Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’
This is the first time I'm hearing of MANGILAD. Of course I had heard of Mangahilario (pronounced mangilar) or Manhilario (pronounced manilar). Richard Cabral JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: These are called ‘Mangilad’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3631613611/ Rs.350/doz Very expensive Ranges from Rs.300 to 450 depending upon the size Taste too good. Only next to or equal to Mancurad. The first time I even tasted or heard about it was about 3 or 4 years. May be it is grown in North Goa or neighbouring districts of Goa Usually available from June joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Daily Grook #439
DAILY GROOK #439 __ FROG BLOG __ by Francis Rodrigues frogs is meat eat one today, 'fore they get all toad away! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582
[Goanet] Baga
Amazing I thought was the sky. The ground below is littered with ghantis. BC
[Goanet] MAHANAND naik MONIS vo SOITAN?
MAHANAND naik MONIS vo SOITAN? As said earlier, history creater Tony Dias all set to release his forthcoming taitr titled ‘MAHANAD NAIK MONIS VO SOITAN’ The titled is now changed to …MONIS vo SOITAN ? from previously.. MONIS vo DENVCHAR? Tony Dias claims that he received heavy response from the people regarding the details of Mahanand Naik, including suggestions to change the title from MNMVD to MNMVS. In an News Item with GT, he also says he get all support from the police dept and others Limited shows in Cities only. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiatr/3550947796/ The tiatr is supported by Coca-cola (and JoeGoaUk) In the mean time, JACK-E (of MOJEM NOXIB and JAANU-MAANU VCD fame) also set to release his new VCD with Anil Pednekar in as ‘M A H A N A N D’ With seven top actresses If you haven’t heard of Mahanand Naik yet then here is the list of alleged 16 murders/ confession (769 viewers so far) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3511375836/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] The Inquisition
Hi Maurice and Fred, Hope you did not mind my comments to your post on Goanet. I have not followed all tit-bits of information on the Inquisition in Europe; as I follow regarding the same history in Goa. Yet from the little I know, long before the Inquisition was introduced in Europe, there was a related history that pre-dated it. I will just make three points in relation to what you posted below, which are not mentioned in your post. Nothing in history occurs in isolation. These points are historical occurrences and I am not passing a moral judgment on them. 1. The Spanish monarchs Isabella and Ferdinand, warred with and finally ejected the Moors out of Spain. One of the major reason the Moors were able to be entrenched in Spain was because of the support of native Jews; who prospered (perhaps at the expense of the rest) due to the largess of and relationship with the Muslims. How much of this mind-set, on the part of both Catholics AND Jews, was transferred to the Spanish / Portuguese colonies cannot be ignored. In fact the Jews were sheltered by the Catholics in Italy; but not in Spain / Portugal. This suggest the animosity was related to history and geography rather than religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_of_Castile Jewish-Muslim links in the Portuguese pockets in India must have certainly been intriguing. Trading with the enemies has its big rewards, but also carried big risks. I have not read in the writings of the period in Goa identifying / segregating subset of the Goan population as Jews and Crypto Jews. It is only now that some are claiming victim-hood and identifying themselves as 'special targets'. 2. The socio-economic environment in Europe prior to the period of the Inquisition. Perhaps the best book I can recommend you and others to read is about (preferably the autobiography of) Girolamo Savonarola. A glimpse of this period of history can be seen in the wikipedia of this monk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonarola . Such anti-lack-of-morality crusade came to Goa with the European priests; and translated into the working of the Inquisition is an important feature. We know this was the thinking of Francis Xavier. Hindus have a difficult time understanding why would the Inquisition be introduced (to Goa or for that matter to Europe) to persecute the Catholics? So it is easy (in fact so logical) for Hindus to frame the Inquisition as an anti-Hindu action; and for Jews to frame it as an Anti-Jewish action. Yet the largest group that was penalized because of 'guilt by association' was the European religious orders. They were summarily expelled from Goa EN MASS, during the Inquisition for political-economic reasons. 3. Now we know that much of what REALLY happened in Europe (famine, severe weather changes, epidemics, droughts, plagues, etc), pre- and during the Inquisition period was related to weather changes. This is now officially called the Little Ice Age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts with you. I find Fred's question interesting - Can anyone enlighten about the ideologies and interests of the repeated-cited authors of the Goa Inquisition? I hope the authors can be upfront in responding to this question. Thank you. Regards, GL - Frederick Noronha I sometimes suspect that the term Inquisition is played up by a set of interests who would like to create a contemporary Inquisition -- this time based on political interest, and communal ideologies. Can anyone enlighten about the ideologies and interests of the repeated-cited authors of the Goa Inquisition? Yours provocatively, FN --- MD mmdme...@gmail.com The Roman Inquisition aimed at eradicating Protestantism throughout Italy, although by the end of the sixteenth century, it primarily dealt with crimes of witchcraft, magic, clerical discipline and Judaizing.
[Goanet] The servant in the Indian family
The servant in the Indian family As Shiney Ahuja and the alleged assault on his maid hit headlines, the writer looks at ... By Aakar Patel Posted On Wednesday, June 17, 2009 at 04:26:35 AM The servant is really a slave in the old-fashioned way. They have no chains, but chains aren't needed. Where will they go? If they leave us, they must serve another. Most middle-class families have servants. In India, middle-class means 'not poor', and so even families with an income of Rs10,000 a month have servants. This keeps the wages low. And in India there is no problem with the supply of unemployed illiterates. We belong to our family. Our servants also belong to our family, but their status is marked. They cannot belong in the way we do. This is communicated to them by the rules. The servant cannot: . Eat the same food that we eat, unless there is food left over . Eat from the same vessels . Sit on our furniture . Sleep on a bed (they sleep on the floor) . Use air-conditioning . Use the toilets we do The servants understand and accept this because it is our culture. A new servant will not need to be told the basic rules of being a servant. The children of day-servants sometimes accompany them and grow up internalising these rules. In the city, we have servants' quarters for them to stay in if the flat is reasonably large. If the flat is small, then the live-in servant must sleep in the kitchen, even if a bedroom is vacant. Servants' quarters are highlighted when property is marketed, and having one in your flat is a fine thing. South Bombay, the most civilised part of India, has buildings which have elevators marked: 'Servants not allowed'. Around the house the servant is ignored in all conversation, but that which concerns their work. They are not greeted in the way that others are. Their presence generally is ignored, not deliberately, but because they mean nothing. Indians have no notion of privacy, or of personal space. For us the constant presence of the servant about the house is not an irritant. Servants are loved, but always suspected. The police understand this and investigations into urban theft in India begin with a thrashing of the servants. This happens even if there is no specific suspicion, but on the assumption that by being around all the time, they know something more than they are letting on. Children may call the servant bhaiyya or kaka, but often only till they are grown up. Adults refer to the servant by name. Servants refer to the family's children by name, but once the children are out of infancy, the relationship changes. Where the servant is a woman, and older, she may be called mausi or chachi, which is respectful, but will be addressed as tu or tum rather than aap. In the Hindi-speaking part of India, the country's worst part, men call their drivers and other employees 'beta'. This is even if the employer is the younger man. It signals more than patronage; it demonstrates ownership. When the family watches television, the servant may also watch, but must sit on the floor. Like dogs, they're not allowed on the furniture. Ayahs, the maids who look after children, are not allowed into restaurants. But the bigotry in this case is not the restaurant's: it is the family's. The restaurants' rule is that the ayah cannot sit by herself at a separate table, which is what the family makes her do because they do not want her to sit with them. When she does sit at the table, where there is no option, she draws her chair out and at an angle to mark her separation. Drivers must sit on their own in front. It is not a question of comfort, but of separation. Even if someone is driven about in a Maruti 800, the smallest car in India, he sits in the back alone. Five-star hotels have a policy of restricted entry, and we are greatly offended to be stopped at a 5-star hotel because the implication is that we look like servants. Servants are marked by the way they look. Taken to a five-star hotel, they will stand out and they know it. The servant has the hunted look of someone who acknowledges inferiority. The servant will sense the places that are not for him. The servant is meant to dress and act as a servant must. It is intolerable that the servant may have a difference of opinion with us, and they cannot say 'no' to us. All Indians will know the meaning of that sentence. A servant or a driver who dresses well and is well-groomed will be picked out for comment from the family's friends and relations who will sneeringly call him 'hero'. Dressed in similar clothes, foreigners will not be able to pick out Indian servant from master. But we can, of course. Indians are peerless detectors of social standing. Parents scold their children, when they look like little urchins, as children often do, that they 'look like servants'. Servants have no weekly holiday, though drivers do. Live-in servants work everyday
[Goanet] Goa's Identity Movement
Dear Moderator, Please ignore the previous post and post the present one Goa's Identity Movement If one looks at the great personalities in world history, most of them were normal people doing the their normal chores and the lives of some of these great icons changed due to some simple incidents in their lives, like an apple falling on Newtons head, gave us Law of Gravity, The great Archimedes ran naked into the streets crying eureka when he was forced up in his bath tub to give us the something called the force of buoyancy, Kukle's dream gave us ring molecules in hydrocarbons and of course a shuffle in a train compartment in South Africa gave us The Mahatma. I remember Mr. Nelson Mandela proudly proclaiming that India gave South Africa Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi but it was South Africa that gave the world The Mathama. Hold on guys, I am not giving a history lesson but I was just thinking what will it take us Goans to wake up from our Rip Van Winkle sleep and see the ground realities in Goa ? It's been almost a year since I have been active on Goanet and have been amazed at the jest of one Mr. Arwin Mesquita, before you people jump up to conclusions, no, I am not comparing him to any of the above mentioned personalities, but just want to make sure that most of our Goans are aware of his continues interest in the wellbeing of Goa and Goans. I have had the pleasure of meeting him on a couple of occasions and am amazed at his die hard never give up attitude and his passion for Goa. He has been continuously posting articles on all Goa related cyber-forums and news papers in Goa. I am sure most people will think, all that he is doing is blowing hot air in cyber space, but no my friends, he has been actively coordinating with most of the like minded ground activists and Goans in Goa and overseas supporting their causes and asking for support the causes for Goa and It's Identity It is he who started the Save Goa Identity Movement here in Dubai, and have been meeting the CM, Ministers, Politicians and other bureaucrats and pushing them for answers on his every visit to Goa and via electronic media. He has been very vocal in his ideas to save Goa's Identity, at the moment he does look like a lone voice crying in the wilderness, which no one seems to hears but as the saying goes one tree can produce millions of match sticks but it takes just one match stick to burn million of trees I only hope and pray that his cries in the wilderness light up enough of Goan hearts far and wide. Whatever good we may do, we are always subjected to criticism, as a young lad, I myself had this affinity to do some thing good for my village and community but soon realised there were a lot who suspected me of ulterior motives in whatever I stood for, and was frustrated and dejected and finally gave up, but fortunately or unfortunately the voice in the wilderness sparked off and rekindled my dormant enthusiasm and passion and have been actively helping in the cause in whatever way I can, I know it's miniscule, but if we all do our small bits, together we could surely do the required, to save Goa and Our Goan Identity which is most certainly threatened at this point in time. The migrant issue is a very delicate one, even the Church Authorities will not support any stand against migrants for the sake of humanitarian cause, along with the Church there are a lot of Goans who think like wise. I dare say they are wrong, but at the same time we have to take every precaution not to let Goa be of the Non Goans, by being out numbered and our, traditions, customs and our rich heritage which together makes up our Identity ebb and die a slow and agonising death. Not that we can't do it in a humane way, what we need is commitment from our elite politicians and Goans themselves. It's a hard but sorry fact that Goa cannot survive without migrant workers, but at the same time do not forget Goa will not be Goa if we do not control this present influx of migrants. As far as I can remember since my childhood, Goa has not seen any major upheavals, except during the Konkanni agitation, compared to the rest of India, Goa has been projected as a jewel of peace, tranquility and ofcourse debauchery for all the perverts to who wish to drown themselves in the joys of dark sorrows. This is major cause for the one way surge in traffic of people into Goa, the second being, Goa is literate and hence Goans are looking for a better and easy way of like, forgetting in the joys and fruits of labour and hardwork. Compared to rest of India we are a much better off, bunch of people and with the riches of the Gulf and elsewhere along with that of the high seas, we have opened the forbidden door and invited trouble and trouble in abundance in the form of labour influx, we Goans are the root cause of this evil and it is we Goans who have to urgently find an amicable answer to this gigantic conundrum. Arwin had seen this quandary
[Goanet] EVENT: Talk on “Open Source and Educ ation” by Dr. Sasikumar at Goa Science Centre , on Sat. 20th June 2009 at 4:00
-- Forwarded message -- From: Venkatesh Kamat vvka...@gmail.com Date: 2009/6/17 Subject: Talk on “Open Source and Education” by Dr. Sasikumar at Goa Science Centre, on Sat. 20th June 2009 at 4:00 To: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Cc: Ramrao Wagh rsw...@gmail.com, mc-csi...@yahoogroups.com, csi-...@yahoogroups.com, sameen...@yahoo.com, gs...@dataone.in Talk on “Open Source and Education” by Dr. Sasikumar M, Associate Director (Research), C-DAC Mumbai. The talk is jointly organized by CSI Goa chapter in collaboration with ILUG and Goa Science Centre. Venue: Auditorium, Goa Science Centre, Miramar Panjim, Sat. 20th June 2009 at 4:00 Abstract of the talk: The Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) is gaining momentum in India. There is a myth that FOSS is popular only in Educational and Govt. Organization. Today, many FOSS products like Linux, Apache, Firefox etc. have begun to gain mainstream acceptance. Realizing the advantages of FOSS, Govt. of India has also taken few initiatives to promote the FOSS movement. The talk will throw light on some of these initiatives. It would also give some ideas to college students, on how to go about in conceptualizing their final year project around Open Source. The talk is open to all. About the Speaker: Dr. Sasikumar M is B.Tech (IIT Madras), M.Tech (IISc. Banaglore), and a Ph.D(BITS) and is working with C-DAC Mumbai (formally NCST) for the last 20 years. Apart from several research publications and popular articles to his credit, he has written two books in the area of Expert Systems and Parallel Programming. Dr. Sasikumar is very active speaker on Open Source. For details you can visit his site http://thelittlesasi.wikidot.com Kindly circulate this email to all those who would be interested in attending. Thank You, Venkatesh Kamat * Dr. V. V. Kamat Reader Dept. of Comp. Sc. Technology Goa University, Goa - 403206 Email: vvka...@unigoa.ac.in Website: www.unigoa.ac.in Tel: (Off.) 0832-6519072 (Res.) 0832-2464186 (Mob) 9422062758 * Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. - H.G. Wells
Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’
thanks. You could be right. Mangilad, that's what they (vendors) say in Panjim Markets and I took it from them. There are Goans and non-Goans vendors in any market and each one may pronounce it differently. As I said, I only heard about this variety some 3-4 years ago. But 'Mangilar' or 'Mangilad' i would assume the same or it is like saying Mancurad or Malkurad or Marcurad thanks again --- On Tue, 16/6/09, rcab...@bsnl.in rcab...@bsnl.in wrote: From: rcab...@bsnl.in rcab...@bsnl.in Subject: Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’ Date: Tuesday, 16 June, 2009, 5:12 PM This is the first time I'm hearing of MANGILAD. Of course I had heard of Mangahilario (pronounced mangilar) or Manhilario (pronounced manilar). Richard Cabral JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: These are called ‘Mangilad’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3631613611/ Rs.350/doz Very expensive Ranges from Rs.300 to 450 depending upon the size Taste too good. Only next to or equal to Mancurad. The first time I even tasted or heard about it was about 3 or 4 years. May be it is grown in North Goa or neighbouring districts of Goa Usually available from June
[Goanet] Kuwait made bollywood film attracts the expatriates in maiden show
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/24747 Kuwait made bollywood film attracts the expatriates in maiden show Indian Ambassador Sree Ajai Malhotra and other dignitaries watching the premier show of “Kahin Na Kahin Mileage” Much awaited first bollywood film entirely shot in Kuwait “Kahin Na Kahin Mileage” entertained the Kuwait audience in its premier show. The film directed by due directors T-bush and Arif Kazi have given a good message through the film to the Expatriate community in Kuwait. The premier show was held at Laila cinema on Friday 12th in front of a large number of invited guests. Indian ambassador Shri Ajai Malhotra was the Chief Guest for the premier show and Guest of honour was Sheikh Duaij Khalifa Al-Sabah. The film carries a varity of song sequence and depicts famous land marks of Kuwait observed Ambassador Shree Ajai malhotra. Many dignitaries from Indian embassy, director of Kuwait TV and other invited guests attended the premier show. Indian Ambassador Sree Ajai Malhotra speaking to the media. The directors thanked the Kuwait government, Indian embassy and various other sponsors such as Kuwait continental hotel, Zain, Satchi, Mughal Mahal , centre point etc for their contribution to make this film a reality. “Kahin Na Kahin Mileage” is based on a well crafted story about the friendly relationship between India and Kuwait presented in the form of a father and daughter relation. The film revolves around issues that arise as a result of the close and long-standing relationship between our two very friendly countries. The main character, successful NRI Business man in Kuwait after 25 years of living in Kuwait planning to settle back in India for his rest of the life, but his only daughter who is born and bought up in Kuwait feels, Kuwait is her own country even though she knows that she doesn’t have any right to call this country as her own is the story of the film. The story delivers a good message to the NRI families living in Kuwait. It gives a lesson to think for the expatriate families living here for long. The film will be in theatres from June 18th Friday in major theatres in Kuwait. Audience coming out from the theatre after watching the premier show The film starring well-known bollywood stars like Kiran Kumar, Shakti Kapoor, Kishore Bhanushali, Manisha Kelkar and Amit Bhanushali is produced by T-Bush, co-produced by Wency John Ferrao. Story and concept by T-Bush and written by Harish M Kotian. http://www.indiansinkuwait.com/newsindetail.asp?2463=22406 Goa-world.com Team adds: From 18th June 2009 the film will be screened at The Avenues, Fanar, Sharqia, Ajial , Grenada Theatres in Kuwait. For more info, call +965 66978551 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/24747 Goa World www.colaco.net www.goa-world.com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS http://www.jrsbible.info/bible.htm EXPRESSIONS - THE FLOWER SHOP http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/ COLVA CONDOS - Your Holiday Home in Goa http://www.goacom.org/hotels/colvacondos/goa.html GOAN CELEBRITIES - Pics by Joel http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243...@n00/sets/72157606331845482/
[Goanet] FIRST MEET OF TIATR ACADEMY -GOA
The Tiatr Academy, Goa was constituted on 6th January, 2009 with eminent Konkani playwright , ex Speaker of the Goa Legislative Assembly, ex Headmaster, and columnist Mr. Tomazinho Cardozo . Besides other office bearers , Mr. Victor de Sa was appointed its Member Secretary. It was inaugurated on 16th February, 2009 at the JAF – Pai Tiatrist Hall Margao and its Constitution notified on May 2009. The Government has provided the Tiatr Academy a Rs. 1.5 crore assistance to have its own premises and one such premise Opp the Kala Academy at Campal Panaji is under consideration. The Tiatr Academy Goa now well over 100 days since its inception has invited all tiatr artists, writers, directors, actors, singers, those involved in back stage works such as stage setting light effects background music constumes make-up professionals and musicians assisting tiatrs etc to attend its first meeting on 17th June 2009 at 4.00 p.m. sharp at the Conference Hall of Ravindra Bhavan Margao according to an advertisement released on the local English daily today by the Member Secretary TA-Goa to give valuable suggestions for the effective functioning of the TA-Goa. This writer has been interacting with several of those connected with the tiatrs and during such interactive meets the undermentioned suggestions need to be considered. The Tiatr Academy Goa constituted on 6th January, 2009 by the Government of Goa was clearly with a rider that the OLA 1987 would not be tampered with the demand at a above and hence appears to be a favour done to the Tiatrist and tiatr lovers and not as a legitimate fulfillment of a long pending requirement. Thus there can be no comprise on the legitimate demand of Goans for grant of official recognition to Konkani in the English script by amending the OLA 1987 as the topmost priority. Once this is achieved it follows as corollary that the State Government must give budgetary support and not mere financial “assistance “ as doles as at present. The Tiatr Academy Goa should look out for an individual who is young , dynamic , apolitical, has administrative acumen, and above all has the ability to unite the tiatrists. have its own website, blog, online facility email and network with similar other websites so as to act as a repository of anything and everything related to tiatr create a data base of all the tiatrist and those connected with the tiatr right from 1871. The data can be classified broadly in four categories a) before Independence 1947, b) before Liberation 1961 c) post Liberation 1967 and d) post Statehood 1986 . Care should be taken to include those outside Goa as well ensure that portraits of Lucacinho Ribeiro, Joao Agostinho Fernandes (Pai Tiatrist) and Maria Regina Fernandes adorn the office of the Tiatr Academy Goa – Office, and their photographs are prominently displayed on all advertisements released by the Tiatr Academy Goa. constitute subcommittees consisting of office bearers of the TA-Goa and other well meaning citizens within and outside Goa to collate, disseminate, information and to advance the scope of performance of tiatr artists, writers, directors, actors, singers, those involved in back stage works such as stage setting light effects background music constumes make-up professionals and musicians assisting tiatrs commemorate posthumously tiatrists who have contributed immensely to sustain this unique performing art in most difficult times and unsavoury circumstances which has sustained this ever growing cultural to this day; collaborate with other private tiatr academies or cultural bodies world wide to promote tiatr demand for recognition of tiatr and related activities as an industry so as to enhance the scope of funds and run the same on sound financial standings to attract people to dedicate themselves full time into the tiatr constitute a wage panel to decide pay perquisites and provide for social security on superannuation and a solatium for next of kin of deceased tiatr personnel. Seek financial grants from the Ministry of Art and Culture and Govt of India and Department of Art and Culture Government of Goa for musical instruments , pensions for musicians and others connected with the trade an d also for the benefit of the next of kin. Upgrade the standards of performance presentation stage setting using present day acoustics and electronic setting etc without destroying creativity and originality to attract the audiences of varied social backgrounds and make tiatrs acceptable to those other than the traditional audiences. Microfilm all original scripts of tiatrists of yester-years and preserve for posterity original ones either in public or private museums Preserve the “House of Pai Tiatrist” at Modsai Margao alongwith his personal effects his original scripts
Re: [Goanet] The Inquisition
2009/6/17 Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts with you. I find Fred's question interesting - Can anyone enlighten about the ideologies and interests of the repeated-cited authors of the Goa Inquisition? I hope the authors can be upfront in responding to this question. Thank you I made these comments particularly in the case of Buchanan, Dellon and Priolkar. Even for someone not defensive about the record of Christianity or the Catholic Church, the role of these much-cited authors on the Inquisition is intriguing to say the least. At the same time, much of our understanding of the Inquisition, I would argue, is based on the attitudes (far from neutral or un-interested) of the Protestant world, Jews, the North European rivals of (then powerful) South European colonialism, and, more latterly, the Hindutva world view. Of course, this is not to say that such lobbies and interest groups cannot or should not take the stance which suits their interests. After all, the Inquisition itself was staunchly a Catholic product of a particular point of history, and that too connected to the powerful South European colonial structures of the period. Yet, one needs to keep in mind the logic of who said what and why. I find it amusing that the writings on the Inquisition are taken as the Gospel truth (pun intended!) as it were. For some time now, since reading up about the Black Legend, I've been interested in understanding the logic of this debate. Thanks for raising it here, so that I could further search around for more ideas on this front. And apologies for not responding when the issue was 'hot' as I was travelling and returned from Penang only yesterday morning. Here's an interesting quote that helps us understand some of the background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend#The_Spanish_Inquisition Quote Exaggerations about the Spanish Inquisition have been one of the main elements of the Black Legend since its origin. Its incorporation into anti-Spanish works dates from the sixteenth century, a time of strong Anglo-Spanish and Protestant-Catholic rivalry. Criticisms of the Spanish Inquisition were first written by Protestant authors such as Englishman John Foxe, a polemicist who published the Book of Martyrs in 1554, and the controversial Spanish convert Reginaldo González de Montes, author of Exposición de algunas mañas de la Santa Inquisición Española (Exposition of some methods of the Holy Spanish Inquisition) (1567). The fabricated legend depicts the Spanish Inquisition as cruel and bloodthirsty. The image of moats, chains, cries and rooms of torture is usually attached to it with the intention of creating a sense of mysticism and evil. The myth of thousands of Jews, Muslims, Protestants and non-Catholics being tortured and murdered in the dungeons of the institution by Dominican friars is part of this propaganda. In fact, the Inquisition was a religious institution created by the Spanish monarchy to monitor Christian principles and teachings within the Catholic Church. It was not an institution of persecution or torture as the Black Legend intentionally portrays, or as fictional literature and films depict. Similar religious institutions existed in other parts of Europe, such as the Roman Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition. The first such institution was the Medieval Inquisition, created in the 12th century. Legally, the inquisition only had jurisdiction over Catholics and claimed no authority over Jews or Muslims. However, a person who had been baptized into the Catholic faith who was found to be secretly practicing Jewish or Muslim customs was still considered to be a Catholic culpable of heresy - and punishable under the law. Like similar European policies before and after the 15th century, the Alhambra Decree removed the Jews from Spain in 1492, while a decree in 1515 removed the last Muslims. End of quote -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada. - Britney Spears, Pop Singer
Re: [Goanet] FIRST MEET OF TIATR ACADEMY -GOA
Thank you Godfrey Bab for the suggestions. I do agree with the suggestions put up although the meeting is scheduled at such a short notice. I would like to add one of my suggestions to the Tiatr Academy. That is the follow up with the concerned authorities for the release of Old Vinyl records that are lying with Akashwani so that they can be digitilised and save the Konkani treasure. Also would like to suggest to render help to the living old tiatrist to release their old songs albums in CD or MP3 formats. dev borem korum Edward Verdes/KSA This writer has been interacting with several of those connected with the tiatrs and during such interactive meets the undermentioned suggestions need to be considered. Thus there can be no comprise on the legitimate demand of Goans for grant of official recognition to Konkani in the English script by amending the OLA 1987 as the topmost priority. Once this is achieved it follows as corollary that the State Government must give budgetary support and not mere financial “assistance “ as doles as at present. The Tiatr Academy Goa should look out for an individual who is young , dynamic , apolitical, has administrative acumen, and above all has the ability to unite the tiatrists. have its own website, blog, online facility email and network with similar other websites so as to act as a repository of anything and everything related to tiatr
[Goanet] Mata Hari Sabrina de Sousa
from rediff.com Mumbai-born to 'Mata Hari': Sabrina de Sousa's amazing story Rediff News Bureau June 17, 2009 14:06 IST A naturalised American, originally from Mumbai, is at the heart of an inter-continental legal battle that involves spies, the War on Terror and the tactic of 'rendition', in which the United States had suspects kidnapped and transported to neutral nations for interrogation, mostly under torture. Mumbai-born Sabrina de Sousa, who became an American citizen in 1985, is among 26 American officials suspected to be Central Intelligence Agency operatives who are being tried in absentia in Italian courts for the rendition to Egypt of Hasan Mustafa Abu Nasr, aka Abu Omar, from a Milan street in 2003. This is the first trial to examine the much-abused rendition process. Abu Omar was allegedly flown to Egypt where he says he was kept in a rat-infested cell and given electric shocks to his private parts as part of torture. He was released four years later when he filed a civil suit against his rendition. In 2006 a warrant was issued for de Souza's arrest, but she has stayed put in the US after returning in 2004. Fearing travel outside will lead to her arrest, she has even skipped visiting Mumbai -- barring one visit in March 2008 -- where her mother is said to be ill. The US State Department too revoked her diplomatic passport. The Italian arrest warrant states that 54-year-old de Souza, working as an undercover CIA officer at the US consulate in Milan, was involved in a plot to kidnap Abu Omar who was believed to have links to Al Qaeda [Images] as well as plotting the overthrow of the Egyptian government. In February 2007, Judge Oscar Magi in Milan indicted 26 US government officials, including de Souza, for their alleged role in Abu Omar's abduction. The Italian media has compared her to the infamous spy Mata Hari. De Souza's lawsuit against the US government highlights this as well. Last month a judge in Italy [Images] ruled that the trial will continue, even while excluding evidence on the grounds of state secrecy. At the trial Italian officials have testified that de Souza was a top CIA official in Italy. Last month, de Souza filed a lawsuit against the State Department and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton [Images] seeking diplomatic immunity against the Italian prosecution. In her lawsuit, available online, she says at the time Abu Omar was kidnapped in Milan she was vacationing at a ski resort nearly 130 miles away. She even produced copies of credit card bills to The New York Times to back up her claim. She says she has been interceding with the US government since 2006 to invoke diplomatic immunity for her, but she has received no response. After President Barack Obama [Images] took office, she tried again, but, given the continued cold shoulder, she decided to file a civil lawsuit against the US government after resigning from the State Department in February. 'Being assigned overseas to represent the US is one of the highest honours one can experience and while I don't expect credit for this service, I certainly don't expect to end up a criminal in the eyes of the world, with my future and honour at stake while the government silently stands by providing no plausible explanation for inaction,' she told India West newspaper. Her attorney Mark Zaid has been quoted as saying that even if convicted in Italy, she won't have to face a jail sentence if she stays on in the US. Her suit, while identifying her as a US foreign service officer from 1998 to 2009, is silent on any CIA link-up. Among the places she has served, according to her lawsuit, are the US embassy in Rome and Milan. Interestingly, the US Congressional Quarterly blog Spy Talk, quoting reporter Matthew Cole, who is believed to be writing a book on the Abu Omar kidnapping, says de Souza was inducted into the CIA in the mid-1980s by her then husband Mike Herbert, a career CIA officer. Her lawsuit makes no mention of this. Before becoming a field officer, Cole says de Souza was part of a freelance surveillance team at the US Counter-Terrorism Centre. 'Several Italian intelligence and counter-terrorism officers told the Milan prosecutor that they were introduced to de Sousa as their new CIA liaison in Milan,' Cole, who has interviewed Italian officers at length, was quoted as saying on the blog. According to him, one Italian general even complained that de Souza treated him like a 'Third World general.' Cole agrees that de Souza was not present at the actual moment of rendition. 'She was involved in the early planning and preparatory stages of the Abu Omar rendition and had some logistical role in the days leading up to it. She was not present when the abduction took place,' he said.
Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’
Joe, I too think (from your mouth-watering pics) that they malcurado are ditto: Mangilad, etc.. being just a ghanti degeneration... Here, we get fine Monserrates, from Brazil for two...even three, for ten kronor, purchasing value of same, in India, being not much more than 1 ruppee. Ex. rate 1kr=ca 6 rps. Alfred, Stockholm, 2009-06-17 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:11:05 + From: joego...@yahoo.co.uk To: rcab...@bsnl.in; goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’ thanks. You could be right. Mangilad, that's what they (vendors) say in Panjim Markets and I took it from them. There are Goans and non-Goans vendors in any market and each one may pronounce it differently. As I said, I only heard about this variety some 3-4 years ago. But 'Mangilar' or 'Mangilad' i would assume the same or it is like saying Mancurad or Malkurad or Marcurad thanks again --- On Tue, 16/6/09, rcab...@bsnl.in rcab...@bsnl.in wrote: From: rcab...@bsnl.in rcab...@bsnl.in Subject: Re: [Goanet] These are called ‘Mangilad’ Date: Tuesday, 16 June, 2009, 5:12 PM This is the first time I'm hearing of MANGILAD. Of course I had heard of Mangahilario (pronounced mangilar) or Manhilario (pronounced manilar). Richard Cabral JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: These are called ‘Mangilad’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3631613611/ Rs.350/doz Very expensive Ranges from Rs.300 to 450 depending upon the size Taste too good. Only next to or equal to Mancurad. The first time I even tasted or heard about it was about 3 or 4 years. May be it is grown in North Goa or neighbouring districts of Goa Usually available from June _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009
Re: [Goanet] Baga
The sky too reflects the ghantis! Horror-of-horrors, the photographer was one too (but I can't be sure whether he took a route via the coast to enter Goa). Worse still, committed Goenkars like you are sitting in the lap of Chinese capito-communism in distant Macau! At this rate, the skies (not just the Baga ones) would surely fall on our collective Goaheads! FN 2009/6/17 Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk: Amazing I thought was the sky. The ground below is littered with ghantis. BC
[Goanet] Ayurvedic and Homeopath Doctors with Health Dept. Goa Govt.
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Re: [Goanet] Save the frog / Torches in the Fields at Night
What is the scientific basis you are making your claims that frog population is in danger? Have you taken your torch at night and counted them all over Goa? Now please don't come to me with some vague bio indicators. This is all crap and have no scientific basis. When I say millions are born ... millions are also eaten by natural predators. That includes man. So there is a natural balance. Laws to protect frogs are just for the show - it cannot stop Goans from consuming frogs. Its a Goan tradition. Some day soon (just like the bullfight law), the frog protection law will undergo a change. India is a country where humans have absolutely NO value. Do you think they care about frogs? Hello Jim F New York. -- Original message -- From: georgejpi...@yahoo.com If millions of frogs are being born in Goa every year, millions are dying. If all the millions of frogs, lived and did not die, Goa would be overrun by billions of frogs by now which is not the case. Clearly the frog population is threatened and hence it is against the law to kill or consume frog in Goa. http://www.savethefrogs.com/frogblog/?m=200905 Quote from the above blog: Hunting,capturing and killing of any frog species is banned in the state of Goa under the Wildlife Protection Act of 1972. Similarly, serving frog meat in restaurants or private establishments is illegal and can result in a fine and/or imprisonment. george
Re: [Goanet] Put an end to doubts about my identity (hopefully!)
Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote Dear Sapna, Don't be unnecessarily perturbed by the abundance of chauvinism which abounds on Goanet. As a survivor of such chauvinism, I can assure you that their bark is worse than their bite and the reasons for wanting to verifying your IDENTITY may not be for the purposes you assume them to be :-) == Dear Selma, As a person who stood up for you against attacks from the communalistos, I am quite surprised that you chose to bring the IDENTITY question up here. If there was any part of the attack on you that was justified, I'd say, it was the fact that you were posting under a pseudonym. (Your later explanation for the use of the nom de plume having been noted) Accordingly, Elizabeth Carvalho of GoaNet ceased to exist as of Sept 2006, and Selma Carvalho was re-born. Would you say I am correct or wrong? Now, let's solely use Samir Kelekar's brilliant 'due diligence' googly advice. Could it be said that the one who was posting on GoaNet was Elizabeth Carvalho, a Professional woman (in the field of business in the US) or another woman called Selma Cardoso? jc http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/133137.html My reasons for a nom de plume - Elisabeth Carvalho elisabeth_car at yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Save the frog / Torches in the Fields at Night
Could someone please tell me if any study has been conducted over the destruction of the frog in Goa's fields due to spurt in the use of chemical fertilizers/pesticides, as against hunting of frogs by villagers? FN 2009/6/17 Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net: What is the scientific basis you are making your claims that frog population is in danger? Have you taken your torch at night and counted them all over Goa? -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org If you're already in a hole, it's no use to continue digging. - Roy W. Walters
[Goanet] Does JC exist ? (Was : Put an end to doubts about my identity )
JC writes: Now, let's solely use Samir Kelekar's brilliant 'due diligence' googly advice. Now, we have still not got the answer to the question whether JC exists or not. And if he indeed exists, is he a Monis or something else ? :-) regards, Samir
[Goanet] Baga
Forget the distance and captio-communism, but Goenchem pada podlem with poppy cock pseudo Goans right in Goa and North America. BC -The sky too reflects the ghantis! Horror-of-horrors, the photographer was one too (but I can't be sure whether he took a route via the coast to enter Goa). Worse still, committed Goenkars like you are sitting in the lap of Chinese capito-communism in distant Macau! At this rate, the skies (not just the Baga ones) would surely fall on our collective Goaheads! FN 2009/6/17 Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk: Amazing I thought was the sky. The ground below is littered with ghantis. BC
[Goanet] Invitation to attend workshop on human rights
Dear Goanet members, I am writing to extend an invitation to you to attend a workshop on human rights to be held in Goa next week. The workshop will consist of an overview of international and national law on human rights as well as methods on monitoring human rights and especially children's rights. The details are: Workshop title: 'Monitoring human rights: Law and Practice' Venue: VM Salgaocar College of Law, Miramar Dates: 26th and 27th June 2009, 9 am to 5 pm. The invitation letter and conference programme are attached. As the number of places available are limited, please contact Children's Rights in Goa, the NGO co-ordinating the workshop at *(0832) 2426518 *or * crg@gmail.com* at the earliest to confirm your participation. Please note that due to limited spaces, we will be able to accept *only those participants who have confirmed in advance. * Please also feel free to forward the invitation to colleagues in academia and the voluntary sector as you deem appropriate. Apologies about the lateness of this invitation. It has taken us a bit of time to get the wheels on the organisation moving. Sincerely, Edzia Carvalho PhD candidate Department of Government, University of Essex Personal homepage: http://edziacarvalho.googlepages.com
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Panjim Stinks yet again (It's the Game -The Winners are Babush, 30 councilors and Parrikar)
Talking Photos: Panjim Stinks yet again (It's the Game -The Winners are Babush, 30 councilors and Parrikar) Yes, it’s like a game played by the City leaders And the winner are: First Prize goes to – Babush who controls the CCP. Second prize jointly goes to 30 CCP councilors including the Mayor. Third prize goes to the one and only Manohar Parrikar, City MLA and ex-Chief Ministier. Ok, let the photos do the rest of the talking They blocked their noses And I blocked mine so that you don’t have to http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3634857265/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3635667572/sizes/l/ Have a close-up view here (Warning: Some may find disgusting) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3635670496/sizes/l/ Others http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3635669786/sizes/l/ This one they (local shop keepers) say coming from Inox http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3634858001/ If Buabush wants, he can do anything (except winning St. Cruz seat) and most of you will agree with me here. Councilors/CCP: CCP is like a TV with remote control. But I am sure you know who has the remote control unit. What about Parrikar? There was a time, where Aldona-Corjuem bridge was built in just 14 months. IFFI infrastructure like Inox mulitifplex, New patto Bridge, Kala Academy (Revamp), Roads, promenade, iffy jetty etc etc was built in just 8 months. Yes, Parrikar too is capable of doing things, perhaps he waits for his turn.. What if he never becomes a CM again? What if BJP never comes to power again? Do something Mr. Parrikar. You are the City MLA for God sake joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] The Inquisition... another point of view
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:47:54 +0530 From: Frederick \FN\ Noronha f...@goa-india.org From a Conservative journal, but raises some interesting issues here. FN June 18, 2004, 10:26 a.m. The Real Inquisition Investigating the popular myth. By Thomas F. Madden Excerpt: The Inquisition was not born out of desire to crush diversity or oppress people; it was rather an attempt to stop unjust executions. Yes, you read that correctly. Heresy was a crime against the state. Roman law in the Code of Justinian made it a capital offense. Rulers, whose authority was believed to come from God, had no patience for heretics. Neither did common people, who saw them as dangerous outsiders who would bring down divine wrath. When someone was accused of heresy in the early Middle Ages, they were brought to the local lord for judgment, just as if they had stolen a pig or damaged shrubbery (really, it was a serious crime in England). Yet in contrast to those crimes, it was not so easy to discern whether the accused was really a heretic. For starters, one needed some basic theological training ? something most medieval lords sorely lacked. The result is that uncounted thousands across Europe were executed by secular authorities without fair trials or a competent assessment of the validity of the charge. The Catholic Church's response to this problem was the Inquisition, first instituted by Pope Lucius III in 1184. It was born out of a need to provide fair trials for accused heretics using laws of evidence and presided over by knowledgeable judges. From the perspective of secular authorities, heretics were traitors to God and the king and therefore deserved death. From the perspective of the Church, however, heretics were lost sheep who had strayed from the flock. As shepherds, the pope and bishops had a duty to bring them back into the fold, just as the Good Shepherd had commanded them. So, while medieval secular leaders were trying to safeguard their kingdoms, the Church was trying to save souls. The Inquisition provided a means for heretics to escape death and return to the community. [end of excerpt] Mario responds: This looks like a classic example of how historians can revise history any way they want to. Unfortunately, they often provide clues to their own duplicity. In the case of Thomas F. Madden, we find the clue in one telling sentence, The result is that uncounted thousands across Europe were executed by secular authorities without fair trials or a competent assessment of the validity of the charge. Thomas Madden asks us to believe that evil secular authorities were executing Christian heretics without fair trials. Now, I ask you. Why would a secular authority be bothered with a religious Christian heretic?
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Some Goan and non-Goan Mango variety
Prev. post Mangilad (right word could be Mangilar, i may have heard it wrong) Following are some of the other variety of mangoes available in Goa. Mid May to End June Musarat http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3587734299/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3489092045/ raw http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3566823240/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/515345664/ smaller looks Mancurad but are not Mid March to April (2009) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3324989775/ June to Mid July Mangilar or Mangilad http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3631613611/ April/May Mancurad http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3418210558/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/2311712929/ April/May Culaso http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/516081558/ Non-Goan or Ghanti Mid May to July and beyond Totapuri http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3534208879/sizes/l/ June to August and beyond Neelam - NEW http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3635782672/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] First meet of tiatr academy
Albert writes Tiatr academy should meet in Panjim and not in Margao. These days most of the functions are held in Margao .The academy should also help small script writers like me who have no means to stage the show. If Goan clubs in London could stage my Goa academy winner tiatr Mummy maka vengent dor in two places and the third one will be in august I think tiatr academy should also encourage small writers. The procedure to be followed should be the script should be approved by a panel of critics who are great tiatr writers. They may be drama writers too. The academy should select actors, director, stage manager, light and sound and the whole script should be rehearsed infront of them at least for eight days. There should be proper stage setting and not just curtains and own mics system. The academy should stage at least 10 shows in different parts of Goa and the amount collected should be for the academy. They should also print tiatr books. I hope the academy will do something _ Missed any of the IPL matches ? Catch a recap of all the action on MSN Videos http://msnvideos.in/iplt20/msnvideoplayer.aspx
Re: [Goanet] Ayurved vs Allopath
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com BTW, there is no such thing as allopathy. Allopathy is a bogus term invented by the founder of homeopathy in the 19th century to separate his pre-scientific and unscientific practices with the pre-scientific and unscientific practices of other physicians of his time. No medical professional or academic has used this term to refer to modern scientific medicine at least for the past 100 years. Mario responds: Santosh, While everything else you wrote in your response to Vivian was accurate, including how the term allopathic was originally coined as a disparaging term by, of all people, the founder of the bogus, hocus-pocus practice of homeopathy, I believe your last sentence above needs amplification. From my knowledge, regardless of how the term came about, I don't see it used as a disparaging term anymore, at least among many, though obviously not all, real American physicians, i.e. MDs and DOs. It seems to have become widely accepted as the term for objective, western-style, evidence-based medicine. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~csrc/students/gradschool/med/allopathic.html http://gradschool.about.com/od/medicalschool/f/osteoallo.htm http://directory.ghhs-apgf.org/GoldFoundation/Registration/ChapterAdvisorSignUp.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopathy Concluding excerpt from Wikipedia: Generally, allopathic medicine refers to the broad category of medical practice that is sometimes called Western medicine, biomedicine, scientific medicine, or modern medicine[7], with varying degrees of acceptance by medical professionals in different locales. In particular, the terms allopathic medicine and allopathy may be used for regular medicine in a context of traditional medicine such as Ayurveda[8][9][10], as well as in a context of complementary and alternative medicine such as homeopathy (see homeopathy and allopathy). [end of excerpt]
[Goanet] Do not dump garbage here
Do not dump Garbage here? Check here what it means http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3635797865/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goa's vanishing coastline
I am sure this would work only if the Goa Government is strong and prepared to see the end of this nightmare in Candolim. Ask,coax, demand that Anil Salgaoncar to move, dismantle the eye sore known as the River Princess from the beach in Candolim at his cost. If he refuses put an embargo on his business interest do not renew his business licenses I am not a lawyer I don't know the ins and outs but there must be a loop hole somewhere Make him a pariah, like the Cidade de Goa affair. Why should the Goa Govt(read Goan Taxpayer) pay six crore for the operation The six crore would go a long way to help the Goan people instead of helping Anil to get rid of his River Princess. All the best Ignatius Fernandes.. _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] Chacha Alfred
Chacha Alfred, warm greetings and happy birthday! When should we drop in for some cake? Still at Bromma? FN -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org I invented the internet. - Al Gore, former U.S. Vice President
[Goanet] REVIEW: The Liftman and Other Stories (Sheela Jaywant)
The Liftman and other stories by Sheela Jaywant Hindon, Mumbai, 2008 Review by Mridula Murgai 16 June 2009 Sheela Jaywant is an experienced writer; this is her third book. She has written countless articles and stories for newspapers and magazines ranging from the Times of India to The Gomantak Times. Her expertise lies not just in writing Flash fiction and short stories but also in translating Marathi books and in writing on various subjects. With a background of a well-travelled Air Force wife and of working in a large hospital in Mumbai, she has a wealth of experiences which are the basis of her fascinating tales. She draws upon her observations of life in its various facets, and using these vignettes of life she presents us with stories which are real and riveting. Sheela has a great ability to write simply, without going into deep long-winded descriptions of people and their surroundings. A few deft sentences, a wry observation and some bits of humour thrown in, and you have a character emerge before you. When talking about a new mother she says : “Demure Janaki had metamorphosed into something strong, firm. Motherhood, had happened,” These are ordinary people, people who you may meet in your everyday humdrum life, and somehow she makes them seem so real and so normal. Most of them are middleclass people based in or around Mumbai, and lead an average existence, like most of us. But then she begins a story – whether a short flash fiction piece or a short story – and you are lost in the narration. The beauty of this book lies in the tales she tells. The stories are quick and short, but each one complete in itself and somehow in the space of a few pages, (or as in the case of a flash fiction a few paragraphs) she tells the tale of retirement, or of ill-health, or of malice, or just of loneliness and frustration. Short stories are not a very popular genre of writing, they require specialised skills, and often they are little more than summaries of short novels!! But Sheela seems to have the ability to cover a whole range of emotions, and many years in the lives of her protagonists in a few words. She has a crisp style of writing; there is no attempt at writing philosophical tomes, the focus is on the characterization and on the storyline. Her innate ability to weave a story based on her research and her knowledge is evident throughout the book. I have enjoyed reading the stories. I read them over a period of many days and specially enjoyed the story ‘THE VRS”. Most retired bureaucrats will emphasise with that story! She writes about a bank official who has taken retirement and suddenly realises that he is really not needed anywhere. But gradually he moves into another persona, takes up another profession, totally incongruous to his old job, and suddenly begins to earn more money. “He stepped into the mediocrity of retirement, into high excitement, shed old friends, made new ones half his age, discovered his sinews and nerves were still functioning well, triggered his adrenaline glands now and then, laughed more, relaxed more, got out of his wife’s way and often blessed the day he took VRS. He’d learnt to make money whilst having fun. More importantly, he’d learnt to spend.” If you are a short story fan, you will thoroughly enjoy reading these, if you are not, pick this one up, and watch as Sheela’s stories make you change your mind. Mridula Murgai is a part time freelance writer and a full time wife, mother, and grandmother (though not necessarily in that order ). Books are her lifetime companions and they have influenced the core of her life in many amazing ways. http://www.sawnet.org/books/reviews.php?The+Liftman+and+other+stories
[Goanet] Falling bank interest rates etc
Falling bank interest rates etc Interest rates in UK keep on falling The base rate was 4.5% in Oct 2008 then Nov it was 3%, Dec 2%, Jan 2009 it was 1.5%, Feb 1% and March it was 0.5% On my ISA a/c I was earning @5.7% since July 2007. and I was quite happy with what I got as monthly income. Now I get 5.2% less which mean I get only half percent interest which is then divided by 12 month and the resultant monthly income is such a meager amount that it made me to think to move the entire money to Goa. Now, let us see where one can be better of with the prevailing rates of interest etc Let us suppose I have 3000 pounds = Rs.2,34,000 @78 In the UK Tax Free (For 1 year term) Interest earned 15 pounds or Rs.1,170 @.50% In India the same: In FCNR deposit (foreign currency i.e. GBP) Interest earned would be 82.8pounds or Rs. 6,458 @2.76% Or 129pound or Rs.10,062 per year if fixed for 5 years i.e. @4.5% The same if converted in Indian Rupees: NRE Int. earned Rs.7,839 @3.35% NRE S.B a/c Rs. 8,190 @3.5% - the best option at the moment for NRE NRO or Resident deposit a/c Int earned Rs. 17,082 @7.3% (interest earned may be subject to TDS 30% on NRO or 20% Resident) For the same amount and for the same period.. Where is minimum earning of Rs.1,170 and where is Maximum earning of Rs. 17,082? You decide! May sound bit complicated. Don’t worry. You can always consult the expert JoeGoaUk. His fees are same as the year 2004. i.e. 1% of your total investments (subject to a minimum limit) joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goa news for June 18, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa CM announces Rs 1 lakh to each member of Santosh Trophy - Press Trust of India reaker. Congratulating the team for emerging winners, Kamat said Goa has ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/EB4B9ADE294BDB2F652575D6002B47D7?OpenDocumentcid=1260413176ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNEGMLnKY851Y6mEqIoPhaXTwBqEgQ *** Reliance Money recommends Buy on Sesa Goa - Economic Times http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4657529.cmscid=1259165391ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNG_3BBi0bgW028rzCfOsOkwZgvSSA *** Goa appeals Centre to grant tax exemption - Business Standard http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goa-appeals-centre-to-grant-tax-exemption/64720/oncid=1262019669ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNGnLoWKfGzEFWujk1IPpMzLkIbGcg *** Goa ranks below national average, says survey - Times of India http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa-ranks-below-national-average-says-survey/articleshow/4664491.cmscid=1262433438ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNHXGWpTuiGw4JVqyf87omHYWR-B4A *** Bhaskar scores a fine win - Hindu champion Khushi Dharewa of Kolkata, Riya Savant of Goa and Sunyuktha (AICF entry) are leading with four points. Boys: Bhaskar Gupta (Mah) 4 bt Dipu Pradhan (Asm) 3, P. Elancheralathan ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/18/stories/2009061856351800.htmcid=0ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNFRINY-aEjCRSTKBfTR36Hg2f3bbA *** \'Goa\' crew returns to Chennai - IndiaGlitz diaGlitz, CAShooting for the second schedule of 'Goa', whichwas on in 'Goa', has been completed and the team has returned to the city for a short break. 'Goa', being directed by Venkat Prabhu, has Jai, Vaibhav, Premji and Arvind Aakash in the lead, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/47611.htmlcid=0ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNE4DQkrVn0aawA6kyeOHKb5kNS6eg *** Bicholim taluk of rural Goa suffers rain fury - Zee News e News, IndiaPanaji, June 17: Even as monsoon is yet to hit the coastal state of Goa, the rural Bicholim taluk was the worst sufferer of rain calamity due to the rain that lashed the region on June six and seven, officials said. The information available with the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/news539954.htmlcid=0ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNESwjvIsYUo45iZZzmEncwDHbkIeA *** Sesa Goa plans to raise nearly Rs 583 cr - Economic Times onomic Times, India16 Jun 2009, 2148 hrs IST, PTI NEW DELHI: Vedanta group company Sesa Goais looking to raise about Rs 583 crore through issue of shares to the firm's promoters and its associates. Sesa Goa would seek shareholders approval for the proposal at its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Indl-Goods--Svs/Sesa-Goa-plans-to-raise-nearly-Rs-583-cr/articleshow/4663928.cmscid=1262491040ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNEOYshn49QlRWin-gpEaahsXeTTqg *** Goa crew back in Chennai for a break - Oneindia eindia, IndiaThe crew of Ocher Studio's presents Soundarya Rajinikanth's maiden venture Goa is in Chennai now after completing their major schedule in Goa city. They have returned for a short break and soon they will go to Goa again to complete the rest. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://entertainment.oneindia.in/tamil/exclusive/2009/goa-film-crew-chennai-170609.htmlcid=0ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNHI33WL_Va_LF93UBXIkOHvAU_29A *** SEZ promoters to contest Goa govt\'s decision - Economic Times ed government on Monday resolved to scrap its own policy that had cleared as many as ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Infrastructure/SEZ-promoters-to-contest-Goa-govts-decision/articleshow/4669297.cmscid=0ei=enw5Ss3aE-OqmQe44OCPCAusg=AFQjCNFAHwarOM6Oswd02l87rJkNPrxFDQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Extortionate fees
Tony D'Sa wrote to goanet: Schools in Goa are governed by the School Education Act and Rules. The Act and Rules explicitly state that schools shall not charge fees beyond those which are prescribed in the Rules. In spite of this there are schools in North Goa which are charging extortionate fees which are beyond the scope of the School Education Act and Rules. Understandably, schools do charge a small amount at the beginning of the academic year to cover the cost of the calendar, journal, term fees, exam paper fees and the like, but these can amount to Rs. two or three hundred at the most. Anything more than that is uncalled for. In the month of June, parents are saddled with expenses like uniforms, school bags, raincoat, stationery, etc. To add to their burden by charging illegal fees is unwarranted. Many school managements force gullible parents to pay dubious and illegal fees such as for the following: text books and work books which are not prescribed, all manner of deposits, building maintenance fund (aren't the managements raking in money as rent from the Government?), uniforms to be stitched by the school tailor/ contractor, etc... He has correctly pointed out what may amount to corruption in our school system although his fear of naming names is a typically Goan trait. However the fact that people are not queuing up to provide the evidence indicates that people are quite happy with the state of affairs His post has an interesting underlying underlying question however: how should education be funded? Teaching and learning are not philanthropic activities. Teachers are not gurus disinterestedly giving their time to society. The whole business needs money to be sustained. Tony himself would be a good person to reminisce on this issue having had personal experience of a wide variety of educational funding patterns as student, teacher, and administrator: a capitalist one in Kenya and Goa (prior to the G-I-A Code of circa 1973); and the situation after that. Now while Schools in Goa are governed by the School Education Act and Rules. is the government funding sufficient to meet the real need (if not the greed) of school managements? Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
For sure you managed to put the cocky Jason Keith Fernandes on the defensive for once. Haha :-) FN 2009/6/13 Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com: Dear Sapna, From the sounds of your email it sounds like you are provoking us. What gives you the impression that the cruelties that once took place in the vicinity of the Basilica are not known? How did you come to this information? Clearly it is not that difficult to ascertain as you make it out to be? If at all, there is more (mis)information about the Inquisition than there is information, so perhaps we would do well to investigate that. But I am curious, what exactly do you hope to achieve from broadcasting this information to the visitors to the site? Perhaps you know that the 'information' about the Inquisition, is very often used to place contemporary (and native) Catholics in an uncomfortable position. Is this the intent of your inquiry? If not, then perhaps the lack of awareness about contemporary politics is just another one of your blind spots. My apologies for the terseness of the message, the bite is not intended to offend, merely to make a point.
Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
2009/6/12 Sapna Shahani sapnashah...@gmail.com As a non-Goan who's lived here on and off for 20 years, I'm very curious about Goa's history with the Inquisition. How is it that the gory history of Goa's past remains virtually unknown by outsiders or tourists? The Basilica of Bom Jesus is a beautiful building but I find it odd that visitors don't know what cruelties once took place in the vicinity of the Basilica. Would love to hear the thoughts of people on this list... I would not lump all outsiders or tourists in one basket. Most tourists come to enjoy themselves, and aren't interested in anything much beyond the sun, sand and other things hedonist. And the food, or a Scarlett Keeling in as much as it affects them. Among the 'outsiders' (I don't like this term, and wouldn't like to be called an 'outsider' anywhere on the planet or even on Mars!) are people who are deeply interested in Goa. Take a Robert Newman, a Prava Rai, a Heta Pandit, a Rahul Goswami ... who may be not ethnically Goan, but know the place quite inside-out. In a way that would embarass many who claim to be Goan by accident of ethnicity. Even assuming everything incorporated in the Black Legend of the Inquisition in Goa is true -- more on Dellon, Buchanan and Priolkar in a future mail -- why would the visitors, specially the tourist, bother about it? In any case, the tourist-visitor to Goa is hardly aware of so many other issues, ranging from the impact of global warming on the Goan coast, to gender equations in Chandor village, or the genetic make-up of the Dhangars of Sattari. --FN
[Goanet] The Inquisition... another point of view
I have always been intrigued why Goans, and I include intelligent Goans (Catholic and Hindus), have a difficult time with the Goan Inquisition. I had my own theory for their difficulty to understand the Inquisition. Yet, this was well articulated by Prof Thomas Madden, in the article posted on this forum by Fred Noronha. More specifically to my theory, most Goans, including some authorities, view the Inquisition as only an institution issue. But Prof Madden states below in the very first paragraph of his article. He describes the two components of the Inquisition. In addition to the institution, the history relates to a period of time. Everything that happened in this period of time, related or unrelated to the institution is considered The Inquisition. This specially applied to Goa where during this period of time there were 1. Incessant wars with the Muslim Sultanates and later Dutch and British. 2. Population migration, (native and European). 3. Intrigue, double dealing in trade and treaties. 4. Spies, traitors and army deserters. 5. Famine, endemic diseases, appalling social practices. All the above occurred in what today would be described both literally and figuratively as the melting pot of Goa. So why do we view the Inquisition merely in the context of an institution? Because as Goans and non-Goans, many love to play the 'gottcha' game. And few love to recycle the same old stuff from 'intriguing' posts. I would strongly urge all Goans especially Catholics to read the article of Prof Madden. Some Goans present themselves as intellectuals and 'independent thinkers', by merely spouting the role of the Catholic Church in the Inquisition. As usual they have a lot of opinions with few hard facts. Many Hindutva writers state the institutional linkage with no mention in their writings (in print and on the web) of the period of time. Thus were the prisons of the Inquisition period in Goa any different from the Muslim Sultanate prisons in Bijapur and Ahmednagar etc, or those of Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan in Mysore; or the prisons of the Hindu Vijayanagar kingdom at Hampi? Similarly, one could compare the condition of Goa's prisons to the standards of the time in Europe. In fact the appalling (pest infested) conditions of the Inquisition prisons may not be very different from some Indian prisons today. When it comes to capital punishment in the Inquisition period, England had hanging, boiling, and decapitation, The French had the guillotine and the Iberian countries had the burning at the stake. It would be interesting to know the forms of capital punishment in the various Indian kingdoms. Any enlightenment would be welcome. Please compare the number of people subject to capital punishment in Goa during the entire period of the Inquisition to what went on in England in the link below. This may be comparing apples and oranges, but it does give the readers that capital punishment was a common form of punishment in that period of history. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom Under the reign of Henry VIII some 72,000 people are estimated to have been executed by various methods [citation needed] including boiling, burning at the stake, decapitation and hanging, sometimes with the added punishment of drawing and quartering while still alive. Sir Samuel Romilly, speaking to the House of Commons on capital punishment in 1810, declared that …[there is] no country on the face of the earth in which there [have] been so many different offences according to law to be punished with death as in England. Known as the Bloody Code, at its height the criminal law included some 220 crimes punishable by death, including being in the company of Gypsies for one month, strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7–14 years of age and blacking the face or using a disguise whilst committing a crime. Many of these offences had been introduced to protect the property of the wealthy classes that emerged during the first half of the eighteenth century, a notable example being the Black Act of 1723, which created 50 capital offences for various acts of theft and poaching. Whilst executions for murder, burglary and robbery were common, the death sentences for minor offenders were often not carried out. However, children were commonly executed for such minor crimes as stealing. A sentence of death could be commuted or respited (permanently postponed) for reasons such as benefit of clergy, official pardons, pregnancy of the offender or performance of military or naval duty[1] Between 1770 and 1830, 35,000 death sentences were handed down in England and Wales, but only 7,000 executions were carried out.[2] - I hope in future, Goans will forward links to the Prof Madden article, accompanying the links of Jewish, Dutch or British (Protestant) sources, especially since Goans view the
[Goanet] The Inquisition trinity
I've long wondered over the identity and ideology of a small set of people who have shaped the globe's understanding of the Goa Inquisition. Recently, coming across more critical views[1] that challenges our traditional understanding of the Inquisition only made one more puzzled. About Anant Kakba Priolkar, it is a bit of a puzzle to understand the man and his ideas, perhaps because of the fact that he wrote around the 1960s, and often in Marathi. I wish I had been more fluent in that language! Priolkar's book The Goa Inquisition: The Terrible Tribunal for the East was published in 1961, and printed at the Bombay University Press (Fort, Bombay). It was reprinted by a private firm in Goa this year. In between, the Hindutva-oriented Delhi-based Voice of India press published a second impression in 1991. To understand the VoI's ideology, google for a list of books published by it, or check the Geocities page here [2] Historian Dr Teotonio R de Souza writes: A.K. Priolkar was a Bombay-based Goan Saraswat Brahmin who produced literary output as linguist and historian in the 1960s. His research served to buttress pro-Marathi and pro-Hindu interests. he emphasized the excesses of [the] Inquisition and the cultural backwardness of Goan Christians and their Conkani 'dialect'. He reserved to Marathi the distinction of being the true literary and cultural language of Goa I wish to classify this type of writings as Priolkar-Angle literature. [3] One may not agree with some of the categorisations above, but that's hint enough about the interest-groups who give current-day fuel to the Inquisition flames. (The Angle being referred to is Prabhakar Angle, who represented one particular perspective on Goa, like many of us have our own perspectives or biases.) In his book, Priolkar relies heavily on the accounts of Buchanan and Dellon, the latter who lived through the Inquisition. Who were these persons, really? Dig a little and one finds that Claudius Buchanan (1766-1815) was a Scottish theologian, an ordained minister of the Church of England, and an extremely 'low church' missionary for the Church Missionary Society. [4] Nothing wrong with that, of course. But for more interesting insights, you need to go here [5]. Keep reading around these pages, as it's not easy to capture the essence of a book in a few cut-and-paste paragraphs here. We learn, among other things, that Buchanan resorted to a simple juxtaposition to demonstrate the superiority of rational Christian life to a morally repugnant Hindu culture. Christianity and Hinduism were [to him] inverse reflections of one another, but Christianity had demonstrated its effects and the civilizing power to overcome all the crimes and superstitions that tormented India. His encounters while touring India are interesting too. He meets native Syrian Christian communities along southwestern India's coast, who trace their lineage to a legendary first-century visit by Jesus' own apostle, Thomas. Buchanan wanted to see the Syrian branch transplanted on the Church of England. He visits Roman Catholic populations in the south, and is shocked to find priests better acquainted with the Veda of Brahma than with the Gospel of Christ. His encounter with the Inquisition is described from page 91 onwards of the book Was Hinduism invented? [5] by Brian Kemble Pennington. As Priolkar mentions, he visited Goa at the time when British troops were stationed here. (Or, in Priolkar's words, The forts in the harbour of Goa, were then occupied by British troops [two King's regiments, and two regiments of Native infrantry] to prevent its falling into the hands of the French.) Author Brian Kemble Pennington says Buchanan's resulting account of Catholicism in India included not only clerical abuse, empty ritual, moral laxity, and papal tyranny, but even a hint of human sacrifice. Interestingly, Buchanan was not less indignant at the Inquisition of Goa, than I had been with the temple of Juggernaut (sic) In author Brian Kemble Pennington's view: The corpus of Buchanan's writing reveals that his chief object was not the extermination of Hinduism, but the conquest of the idolatrous religious culture that infected both Hinduism and Christianity in India. His crusade for a rational, evangelical, and imperial Anglical establishment there was part of his iconoclastic and anti-clerical campaign against the idols and priests that held India in their grip In Buchanan's dispensational grasp of Indian idolatry, Hindus, Syrian Christians, and Roman Catholics laboured under an enslavement to idols and the priestcraft that administered, mediated, and embodied their power. Anglican external forms, on the other hand, he saw as
Re: [Goanet] Does JC exist ? (Was : Put an end to doubts about my identity )
samir_kele...@yahoo.com asks: Now, we have still not got the answer to the question whether JC exists or not. And if he indeed exists, is he a Monis or something else ? :-) Dear Samirbab, IMHO, today you are even more brilliant than yesterday. You are indeed the very best. Well done Sir. jc
[Goanet] Salute all Swayamsevak on today’s Goa Revolution Day June 18.
Many freedom fighters of Goa jump into freedom struggle to free Goa from colonial rule. Our Goa requires such devotional Swayamsevak to act as watchdog, as also to free from malpractices that are prevailing in our Goa. Let us Swayamsevak all such activist on today’s Revolution Day June 18. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Public Appreciation - ASHLEY DELANEY
I would like to publicly appreciate the young Saligao lad - ASHLEY DELANEY for his efforts, patience, and service in his business of Computers. Ashley has been instrumental in recommending, patiently explaining the good and not so good of various models, and finally supplying me the best for our home use, and then the several after sales calls which he patiently attended to. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Ashley's services to anyone who may be in need of new machines, after sales service and maintenance. After the horrendous experience I had with another supplier in Goa some years ago, I consider Ashley's service, attention and help examplary in today's world of tough competition. Thank you Ashley, keep up your the good work and keep encouraging your boys who work alongside you and not forgetting to wish you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY (hope I am in time). Cheers Agnelo Fernandes Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Extortionate fees
Receipt of Grant-in-Aid is governed by rules and regulations. Those accepting grants bind themselves to the terms and conditions of the grant as prescribed by the Education Act and Rules. Fees other than those actually prescribed are illegal. If managements feel these (prescribed fees) are inadequate, then they are free to go private always providing they adhere to the act. Meaning they cannot charge extortionate fees. Protests from South Goa validate my point. Educational excellence is not a just matter of having a posh building and equipment. No doubt it is a contributing factor. There are lots of factors that go into it which devolve round human abilities - on the part of management, faculty and students. Check out how Pierre and Marie Curie discovered Polonium and Radium. In a drafty shed or out doors slogging over a giant vat. (No Jet propulsion laboratory for them!) And after all, Einstien came up with his theory of Relativity in a patent office! Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148 M: +91 9975162897 E: tonyd...@gmail.com The future will be better tomorrow. - Dan Quayle
[Goanet] Are Indians filthy?
Considering that I nearly had a curry bath whilst walking the lanes of Mazagon in 1979-80, as well as seeing people bathing in water that was nearly black in colour whilst going through some slums in Mahim/Bandra, I did not really think that Indians as a whole have a very hygienic life-style. Add to the above, a young maid shovelling out cockroaches out the window from a flat in St. Inez (this was circa 1977, when the area was just about developing and the occupants were newcomers from other parts of India), and you get the picture of I don't care how filthy it is outside as long as my house is clean inside attitude. Besides, as I wrote to NHT in 2000, the Goa Medical College Hospital cleaners just chuck sweepings outside the ward windows (big culture change from the clean environs of the Hospital Escolar and Hospital de Ribandar), that the cleaners ought to be supplied with a wheelie bin to put their rubbish in (anybody remember the red CMG - Camara Municipal de Goa - pushcarts which the municipal cleaners used to fill with the sweepings off the street? And their brushes and dustpans? They disappeared circa 1964). Anyhow, if you thought it is me spouting elitist criticism, read http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/are-indians-filthy-foreigners Gabriel. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [Goanet] Put an end to doubts about my identity (hopefully!)
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be said that the one who was posting on GoaNet was Elizabeth Carvalho, a Professional woman (in the field of business in the US) or another woman called Selma Cardoso? jc - Dear JC, Not quite sure what you are so angry about? Is it the inquisition or the inquisitiveness? :-) You going off on so many tangents is not doing justice to yourself. There comes a point in life when one must chose one's battles. Dealing with Goa's communal elements in one thing, being passionate and honest about our history is quite another. I for one would definitely like to know what my history was, in its purest form. That certain elements of society will then use it for their own propaganda is scary but so is having a drink in a pub, if you happen to be a woman. When do we stop being afraid of them? Lastly, I have never, ever posed as a profession woman in the US. I have always been a hausfrau and nothing more since I started posting on Goanet. Sapna is a new member, let's welcome her warmly rather than burdening her with the baggage of Goanet. We need new and fresh voices here. Without malice and best regards as always, selma
[Goanet] Daily Grook #440
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[Goanet] Extortionate fees
“Teaching and learning are not philanthropic activities. Teachers are not gurus disinterestedly giving their time to society. The whole business needs money to be sustained.” Augusto Pinto Government is reimbursing almost all the expenses (salary to staff + rent + maintainance) of educational institution in Goa. Why not education institution can not raise money for its expansion, high standard of material to be used by students and other development activities through its goodwill? Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 ICC World Twenty20 England #39;09 exclusively on YAHOO! CRICKET http://cricket.yahoo.com
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (18Jun09)
*** At the Abbe Faria statue *** The Goa Govt is Popularly called 'Delhi Baba The 40 Thieves...' So? ...So Goa needs another Revolution! To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Ayurved vs Allopath
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From my knowledge, regardless of how the term came about, I don't see it used as a disparaging term anymore, at least among many, though obviously not all, real American physicians, i.e. MDs and DOs. Mario, Yes, unfortunately, the term allopathic medicine is used by administrators, bureaucrats, regulatory bodies, journalists and lay people to distinguish conventional medicine from osteopathy in the U.S., and other systems elsewhere. The point I wanted to make is that this meaningless term has been roundly rejected by practitioners and teachers of scientific medicine since the 19th century. Here is a letter written in 1846 by John Snow, one of the pioneers of modern medicine, in the reputed journal Lancet stating this rejection, which was endorsed by its editors: QUOTE On the use of the term 'Allopathy' Lancet (21 February 1846): 229 To the Editor of the Lancet Sir,-I regret to see, in a late leading article, that you (unguardedly, as I believe) adopt the nickname allopathy, which the homoeopathists have tried to impose on the profession; for there is nothing which would, in my opinion, tend so much to prolong the brief day of the fatal and extravagant system of homoeopathy as an acquiescence in the term allopathy, so inapplicable to the science of medicine. Its adoption would greatly increase the importance of the framers of both terms, and would assist to hide from the public the fact that their practice is opposed by the accumulated experience of all the nations, not only that of medical men, but of the people at large. A person knowing but little of medical science, (and this must ever be the case of the greater number of patients,) would say--allopathy--homoeopathy--well, doctors disagree, I have tried one pathy, now I'll try the other. Medical men do not endeavour to cure disease by producing others of an opposite kind; they do not always oppose the actions which are going on in illness, or, as a general rule, adopt measures which would produce in a healthy person a state opposite to that which exists in the disease under treatment; consequently, I conclude that the word allopathy must be admitted to be a misnomer. An erroneous term is always injurious, even amongst the scientific, but the reception of this would be especially so to the public, who must be guided in the choice of medical men and medical systems by general impressions and mere report, and not by correct data on which they can reason; and I can conceive nothing that would more rejoice the homeopathists than the general adoption of a designation, which would imply, not that they were at variance with the accumulated knowledge of all the world on therapeutics, but merely with the opinion of an opposite party. I remain, Sir, your obedient servant, John Snow, M.D. London, February, 1846. *** We cordially concur with the orthodox remarks of Dr. Snow, and feel with him that the less the term allopathy is used by professional men, the better.--Ed. L. UNQUOTE Cheers, Santosh
