[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century (FN)
Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century DEVIL'S ADVOCATE/ Frederick Noronha A German friend, married to a Goan, agrees with the view that Goans can indeed be quite melancholic about their present. It's surprising how pessimistic and lament-prone a people we can be. Even though we have positive things happening around us, we choose to focus on the negative. If you listened to the overwhelming tone of the Goa debate, you'd think that things are so bad we might as well give up even trying. In my life as a journalist, I've had the good fortune to come across so many interesting people and institutions. It makes one realise how determined -- if not heroic -- these people are. How steadfastly they believe in their dreams, and how much energy they are willing to put into it. Take for instance, an octogenarian expat writer who believes in mentoring young writers back home. Or an institution run by a set of elderly priests, who may not be highly educated themselves, but have given education to a few thousands and opens new careers to them. Or, the 'cudds' of Bombay, that allowed generations of poor migrants from Goa to find their toehold in a big and heartless city. Should we lament their death, or keep busy building institutions that serve our tomorrows? Isn't it amazing how Goan women sacrificed to ensure that their children got access to the best of education possible, as noted by the UK-based academic Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes? You can come across an encyclopaedia of such stories, where small people -- often individuals without any big backing -- worked for, and obtained, change. Take the case of the large number of educational institutions built up, often with bare government funding, which subsidises Goan attempts to improve. Talk to anyone who studied in urban India in the past generation or two, and there's good chance he or she had at least one Goan teacher. Why, the Indian diasporic writer M.G. Vassanji features Goans as teachers in distant Africa of the yesterdays, and not without reason. How else does one evaluate a tiny section of the population -- approx 1% of India's -- which has had such a big role in the world of sports (specially football), music, food, and education? * * * Of course, what is impressive is the way in which The Small Goan has lived his, and perhaps more often, her dream. In recent years, the Internet has been a very useful place through which to share ideas and inspiration. Since the mid-1990s when one first got involved with cyberspace, scores if not a few hundred people from all over have been sharing their ideas and questions over small projects and plans. Each one adds to the uniqueness of Goa. It's only when we see how others respond to things Goan that we recognise the unrecognised talent we have here. A foreign colleague who was visiting some museums in Goa was positively amazed by the energy and enthusiasm with which at least two are run. Left to ourselves, we don't even notice the uniqueness of such institutions. In such a situation, what would you think would be the attitude we should take up? One of cautious optimism? An attempt to build more institutions that could take such initiatives forwards? More active attempts at scouting for such positive signs that could take our society forward? Indeed not! For some reason, we seem sunk in pessimism, and in lamenting how bad things are, and blaming each other for making them worse. This is not to suggest that we have no problems in Goa. Someone discussing this issue in cyberspace -- and for some reason expats who opted for greener pastures are much more pessimistic than the local resident -- had a long laundry list of complaints. Right from mining, to mega-projects, the uncontrolled migrant influx, large-scale land sale to outsiders including foreigners, the slow death of Konkani, destruction of the environment and ecology, land and water contamination, a faulty employment policy forcing Goans to leave Goa, and illiterate or corrupt MLAs. For argument sake, let's accept that Goa's problems and priorities are exactly as described above. As my German friend noted, much of the critique of the present is based on a subconscious hankering for the past; the very past which saw a Goa that was so unproductive and mismanaged that large droves of its population had to migrate elsewhere. Today, at least, as he pointed out, some section of the population can live and work in Goa itself out of choice rather than being forced to move out. Of course, Goa will never have enough for our growing aspirations, unless we perform a small miracle to change that. This, also, should not be taken as an excuse for decision-makers to push just about any controversial industry, and use the factories-mean-jobs logic to line pockets. It is not just vocal expats and the influential chattering classes that are negative about our future. Look at the news in our media, and you'd easily believe that the only things that happen in Goa are
[Goanet-News] Goa news for July 22, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** \'Casinos are destroying families in Goa\' - Press Trust of India hore casinos at the cost of local population. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/184592_-Casinos-are-destroying-families-in-Goa-usg=AFQjCNHe9PBfdEChx1MdNwPw8O5gKGqxPg *** Goa not doing enough for swine flu patients, says nodal officer - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa health department's nodal officer for swine flu on Sunday alleged that the state health authorities were not cooperating with him and not ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-City-Goa-Goa-not-doing-enough-for-swine-flu-patients-says-nodal-officer-/articleshow/4795483.cmsusg=AFQjCNFTsatdx-YuQMpAgLjvIxWhQ40gug *** Seven Goa beaches under erosion threat: Minister - Times of India er-cent-of-Goa-s-coastline-crumbling-in-seausg=AFQjCNGj_ifZTnhvi_SP9C7A-Mp5_frWiQ10 per cent of Goa's coastline crumbling in sea http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/Environment/Global-Warming/Seven-Goa-beaches-under-erosion-threat-Minister/articleshow/4799711.cmsusg=AFQjCNHm-LRtwX-LJOseW9pQ-349boV7wA *** Goa\'s offshore casino business booming - SINDH TODAY pot for hippies, Goa's new found reputation as a gambling destination appears to be catching on fast. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.sindhtoday.net/news/1/32684.htmusg=AFQjCNFcJb0BHbYeCNitz2O8jww1_DD6xQ *** BJP urges Goa to focus on domestic tourists - Thaindian.com gnoring-tourism-says-Mapusa-legislator/articleshow/4800659.cmsusg=AFQjCNGgqRyFoHZGIwOCKUfHZoWfhxIUjQState ignoring tourism, says Mapusa legislator http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/bjp-urges-goa-to-focus-on-domestic-tourists_100220641.htmlusg=AFQjCNFC7nkUZ0CRsQWLcFqZquU1zgqcDg *** Mining ores pollute river in remote Goa: Parrikar - Press Trust of India mw-case-echoes-in-goa-assembly_100220839.htmlusg=AFQjCNHtsgV9_xcttD_wWii15lE3I8JWewDelhi BMW case echoes in Goa assembly http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/186690_Mining-ores-pollute-river-in-remote-Goa--Parrikarusg=AFQjCNHIQZGiIK4kzpqzPdRUXLVYvtaWnQ *** Environment minister to look into CRZ issue: Kamat - Press Trust of India PJOgwK7AFishermen celebrate CMZ proposal http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/186652_Environment-minister-to-look-into-CRZ-issue--Kamatusg=AFQjCNGHCCrl7p-rCAxVpUMCw16i1Xd7GQ *** Goa\'s Bondla zoo gets pair of tigers - Press Trust of India ess Trust of IndiaPanaji, Jul 21 (PTI) Goa's Bondla zoo has got a pair of tiger under a exchange scheme with the Vishakapatnam zoological park, a senior forest officers said. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/186606_Goa-s-Bondla-zoo-gets-pair-of-tigersusg=AFQjCNGzyWQG0rYlKA8D3VceDXOinvXgpA *** Over 100 foreigners deported from Goa in 3 years - Sify fyMore than 100 foreign nationals who were illegally staying in Goa have been deported to their respective countries over the last three years, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Ttitle=Over_100_foreigners_deported_from_Goa_in_3_yearsurl=http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?a=jhvrEvjfjdgusg=AFQjCNF1oF0DCgu7y7FXJGJwOXku8s16SQ *** A view from Goa - Herald Publications rald PublicationsGoa viewers will get to see 55 per cent of the total solar eclipse and that too if the weather doesn't play truant and the skies remain clear, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?cid=2fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=24797usg=AFQjCNFiXSOFFhbCzfw16Cg4il_MFgNXNA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] British Citizens buying property etc....
Noting the unending flood of posts on the subject (but having stopped reading 'm) I suggest interested parties look at the mess that has resulted in Northern Cyprus from Britons pathological craze for 'real estate'. Lured by sun, sea, and low prices - caused by the dicey international situation and ownership rights quagmire - British punters flocked en masse and are now in deep shit, all of their own making. It's a shame really, the more so it usually hits people who are by no means very wealthy, and who now stand to lose it all (the - British and Turkish/Cypriot - middlemen meanwhile, are laughing all the way to the Bank...) Cheers, patrizio Dnooos! (For info: Northern Cyprus , aka the (not recognized) Turkish Cyprus Republic, has been occupied by Turkey since 1974. Most minority Greek inhabitants have fled to the Southern part of the island, but still hold ownership deeds to 80% of the land, and to their houses - now often illegally sold to British citizens)
[Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC
Valankinni by Luxury KTC KTC will organise luxury bus to Valankinni in Tamil Nadu to attend the fama and Novena of the feast of O/L of Vailankinni in September. Bus will leave on 27th Aug and back on 1st Sept Fare per head Rs.2,400. (group booking of more than 5 pay Rs.120 less per head) Contact 9423055747 or 2730071 Partly taken from today’s .GT JoeGoaUk adds: How much it may cost travel by train? Well, it could be around Rs.1500 (sleeper) from Vasco/Margao. It involves changing train at Bangalore. Train arrives Bangalore in the morning and the connecting train to Nagapattnam or nearest station to the shrine is in the late evening say after 7pm. You get one whole free day at Bangalore. One could take up city sight seeing by bus around Rs.200 per head. Main attrations are Timpu sultan? Wooden Palace, bull temple, Vrundavan garderns etc One will have to take other form of transport to arrive to the shrine from the destination Rly station which could be 30 minutes to one hour by road which adds to the total cost/fare. Accommodation around the Shrine comes quite cheap. As low as Rs.100 per head. Other local small-small hotels rooms offered for Rs. 200 onwards. There was one big/decent hotel at that time on the main road to shrine and we paid Rs.700 per night with attached bath, tv etc. We had to abandon during the night, the one we already booked for Rs.300 as it was not up to our expectation. Dirty, stinking, No hot water, electricity fails, mosquitoes etc This was around Feb 2005 Please note. Tariff around novena/feast day could be higher. Advantages of travelling by KTC or other direct buses from Goa: No break up of journey No changing buses Take you directly to and from the Shrine. Time saving etc There is a beach just in front of the church. At the time of the killer Tsunami Nov. 26, 2004?, over 300 people were killed many of them were pilgrims who were on/near the beach at that time. Many bodies were lying in the church yard.A section of the compound wall of the church was damaged but mysteriously, no water came into the church. However, see water was reached upto 200 meters beyond the church Goa should have a weekly or fortnightly direct train to Valankinni. Cpying to Shantaram Naik MP Feedback on visit to valankinni welcome joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Best way to protect migrant labor kids from snakes
One of Rahul Alvares' book (I think, The Call of the Snakes) has a bizarre account of how he and a friend took the slow scooter all the way to the Goa Medical College after he was bitten for a snake. On the way, they even stopped at Rahul's parents' office to search for anti-snake venom, if I recall right. By the time he reached the GMC, Rahul was fit enough to pass out. But then, both were snake-catchers themselves, and didn't have the element of I-am-going-to-die shock. There are a growing number of snake-catchers in Goa. Even our friends Mario and Muriel's (Another Goa) kids Tarika and Sohail are working on learning this skill, again if not mistaken. But more than the snakes, the rats are also a big issue here (not to speak of the bees), if you go by my postings over the years. Gabe Menezes should know, as he attempted to gift me a solution. Rahul (the same person mentioned above) pointed out that good ole rat traps work best in good ole Goa. After all, he should know, as he does need the occasional rat for his pet snake. How's this for an instant treatise? Would you offer me a left-of-centre cyberPhD for these few callous lines? FN 2009/7/21 Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net: When I was growing up in Jabalpur it was customary to sleep on cots in the yard in summer and we kept guard dogs to warn us of snakes, which became more visible when the monsoons arrived. Keeping an area well lit seems to help as well, so a lamp may help. I have no idea where antidotes for snakebite are available in Goa. -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org A baby is an inestimable blessing and bother. - Mark Twain
[Goanet] Girann (eclipse)
Girann (eclipse) There is one tomorrow morning i.e. 22nd july 2009, starts 6.21am till around 8am) We were told when young, during the ‘Girann’ one can see moon and the sun fighting with swords (Chodrim ani Vell/surya torsadini zogoddtat). To watch it, one had the darken a glass in order to see through it. But I never witnessed fighting between the moon and the sun. Pregnant women were very cautious on the day. They would stay indoors lying in the bed whole day. Miscarriages also common on this day? (i remember at least two). Under no circumstances, they would enter kitchen to handle sharp items like knives or de-fishing/de-scalling/cutting ‘adolli’ What’s adolli? See item no 2 here http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/269997140/sizes/o/ When we see people around with a lip-cut or nose mal-formed or a cut in the year etc We called him ‘Girannak sampoddlolo’ or affected by eclipse. This was due to his/her pregnant mother handling sharp items like knives, adolli etc at the time of ‘girann’ on on the eclipse day. We called them ‘Kan Katro, Vontt Katro or Nak katro’. Many years ago, may be in early 80’s, I remember a type of total solar eclipse. Suddenly, day time turned into dark like late evening, seen crows returning home, cow returning home etc Many also believed that solar forces like high tide or low tide or half moon or full moon etc affect person’s heath or behaviour. My mother was one of them. Every time she felt not too well she said ‘ Aiz Omas asa mista, jivak mhojea borem nam’. Talking about tomorrow Solar Ecplise, it seems we will never ever going to witness the type in our lifetime (includes children). Whatever it is, whether you are pregnant or not, it was advised, not to watch it with your naked eyes as it could permanently damaged eye retina. Use eclipse glasses or mylar films (what it is I don’t know) Your feedback on ‘Girann’ welcome Sadly, I don’t have a blog. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Mario Menezes at Khell Tiatr Festival created a huge hungama
Rather than the media staying away, I think they should ask permission. Even non-consentual sex can be rape! TV/satellite channels would obviously be expected to pay, because they are primarily for-profit organisations. There is a chance that their telecasts could directly cut into tiatr audiences, unlike online recordings. This happens in the print media too. Papers like Herald, Navhind and Gomantak Times have nothing to fear if their content is released on the same day, via the Net. But, for an expat-focussed magazine like the Goa Today, the approach to be followed would be different (the fear is: who would pay if they get it free?) On the other hand, when people realise that one is not earning anything substantial (okay, how does one define that?) by sharing some work, they would probably not object. It is true that people tend to be suspicious, and believe that someone else is going to make millions by putting some of their work online. This is, mostly, a myth. But they can also be understanding when they realise that promoting culture is something people can do for non-monetary motives. Once the artistes realise the impact their work has online, they often change their attitude towards it. There is a lot of uninformed opinion over this subject. As I always say, I've gained about 10,000 times more by sharing my work and sprinkling it around liberally. Of course, I do sell my work too as I need to earn a living, but the two are separate issues. I don't think sharing blocks selling. On the contrary! That's where the Creative Commons/ GNU GPL approach is a winner. FN PS: Please see sharable copies of some of the books we've published http://goa1556books.notlong.com 2009/7/21 JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk: Media etc should stay away from such things particularly when they know 'they don't like it'. And hence I had also coppied to goaJourno About the 'Flop tiatr' it is a talk of the town, I guess he himself admitted by 'abandoning it' half way. I guess, I brought it up here at wrong time (as a part of my resentment over his behaviour?), which was wrong. Note: Cyberspace or net was not the issue he raised at the time, he was more specific on local media or TV channel and infact, he mentioned HCN showing his tiatr footage as part of musical show. However, media could mean also cyberspace The media man was also partly to be blamed. He kept on shooting despite the fact he was approached twice by MM's messenger requesting him to stop -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/fn M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://fredericknoronha.multiply.com/ http://goa1556.goa-india.org Please don't empty my brain! I spent my whole life trying to fill it up! - Flash Gordon
[Goanet] Difference: Gulf Non Resident Goans vs. Goa?s
In response to: Message: 9 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:04:10 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * fredericknoro...@gmail.com http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=frederi cknoro...@gmail.comels=9f5ea88d6dc59972bc746e8b2a84b40a Subject: Re: [Goanet] Difference: Gulf Non Resident Goans vs. Goa?s Migrants While going through Jug Suraiya's article in TOI, I came across a very confusing reality where in JS says Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our percepts. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality confusing but how very true, sometimes reality to us can be what we perceive. Long time ago when hunting was both a passion and hobby for me, I use to go hunting and very often, come across rabbits, which were in plenty during those days, rabbits that came into the glare of the headlight for the first time would stand on their hind legs and cover their eyes with their long ears, probably to shade their eyes from the glare of the light or perhaps even thinking that since they could not see anything from behind those long ears, others too could not see them either, which was indeed a folly, which made them sitting ducks and a meal on the table. Reading FN response to Arwin's post on the above subject, I was both shocked and surprised, is Arwin seeing reality in what he perceives ? Or is FN trying to shield his eyes from the glare of the migrant issue ? From FN's response, it's obvious, FN thinks Arwin is suffering from what might be termed as migranto-phobia, he has not said thus in open the context but implied so, when a person of the caliber and intellect of FN tries to brush aside the claims of Arwin, one will most certainly give the benefit of the doubt to FN, and so would I, if I had not seen the ground realities in Goa. I am sure Arwin's migranto-phobia is not a perceived reality but a matter of fact reality, which we Goans just cannot afford to ignore. With all due respect to the way of thinking of FN, influx of migrants is a very serious issue if not tackled now could lead to disaster in the near future. We all agree that we are all Indians, we are all human beings and that there should be mutual respect for each other. The Indian Constitution gives special status to certain states or regions and why is that ? I am sure we all know the answer to that, it's to safeguard the interest, Identity, culture and the heritage of the locals of that area which is threatened by overwhelming demographic changes. Is Goa's Identity threatened ? Those people who think Arwin is suffering from migranto-phobia please take a look around Vasco, Zuari Nagar, Verna, Monti Dongor, Kharebandh, Mungul, San Jose Ariel, Mandop, Chinchinim, Sanguem, Sanvordem, Curtorim these are just a few places in South Goa where the migrant population is booming and blooming, the classic scenario is witnessed in the heart of Margao in the morning, which one can experience if you drive very slowly by the side of the road behind Margao Municipal building where hoards of migrant labourers, engulf you like an island in the sea. I have not been to North Goa of late but I am sure it's the same story all around and FN thinks 40% of Goa's present population claimed by Arwin to be migrant population is highly exaggerated, may be it is right may be it is wrong but the bottom line is migrant population is most certainly heading towards a demographic change and that's the truth. Mario in his response clearly states that one cannot compare countries like the USA or European countries, to a state like Goa but the problem is FN tried to relate the migrant issue of Goa to the migrants of Goans to other countries. It is agreed that there are a lot of Goans world wide where they work and have settled bought their own places that's because they are longer Indian citizens but citizens of their adopted countries. Can FN care tell us, where on earth the Goan population can change the outcome of an election ? FN also talks about Goan migrants at Byculla or Dhobi Talao, would FN care to explain in which decade most of these migrations took place ? Bombay was the closest out let to the world outside Goa, most of the Goan sailors had to go to Bombay to join the ships, to do their medical or travel abroad and look for a decent job which was mostly in the later part of last century and the early part of this century, may I also remind FN that during those day the situation in Bombay was not as serious as it is today in Goa. Those people who managed to find jobs then mostly settled in Bombay and the seamen set up clubs so that it was easier for them while joining and leaving ships. Today if you go to the different clubs how many people
[Goanet] Goa's New Chief Secretary HH is now transfered. Why and by whom?
And the new Chief Secretary (HH) joined Goa in April 2009, is now transferred! Why? Who are the people/ministers etc responsible for his transfer? Can we get any answers to above? Mewspapers/Media. Any chance? Quote: I Thank you Mr. Chief Secretary, Welcome to Goa. Files in Mamlatdar Office and Electricity dept takes ages to clear up. They never phone back to us nor do they write to us on the progress of our files. They say ‘ it’s your file or work, so you should come here to enquire about it’ I have been told about this at a Electriocity dept and few weeks ago, I was told the same at Mamlatdar office. We make numerous visits to the depts.thus wasting our time and money. Officers at every level instead of taking days, take months but on bribing them the files are cleared faster. Thank you once again for your efforts to bring in efficiency in the state administration etc. On behalf of many aggrieved citizens. === Quote: I File movement index soon (June news) PANAJI- In an attempt to curtail delays in disposing of files and bring in efficiency in the state administration, including directorates and the field offices, the government would in near future ensure that all files moved for clearances, etc were cleared within a week�s time adding that all files henceforth would be attached with file movement index, wherein the date of receipt of file and its disposal would be entered. Stating this to The Navhind Times, the Chief Secretary, Mr Hauzel Haukhum said the government would ensure that files were disposed of in seven days, including Saturdays and Sundays, from the date of their receipt by the officials in every office and that it would also seek arrear statements from all the departments and the reasons for delay. The Chief Secretary said that this was decided at the meeting of the secretaries to the government held on Wednesday, adding that it was also decided to appoint a senior government official as nodal officer in every department to oversee the movement of files and their speedy clearances. He also said that manual of official procedure along with assistance diary would be made available to the government staff dealing with files. Mr Haukhum further said that he told the secretaries that speedy clearance of the files should be a collective effort and that all officials should be told to co-operate. He informed that the directives to ensure speedy disposal of files would be issued soon, adding that government would see to it that every employee was accountable for his or her action and action would be taken for delay.,, II Very well said. Yes, each point/dept deserve attention Mr. Hauzel Haukhum, is the new Chief Secretary of Goa who took charge as from today. Contact details Phone No's: 91-832-2419402 Fax: 91-832-2415201 Email : cs-...@nic.in Quote: [Goanet] LETTER TO THE NEW C.S John Gomes johnericgomes at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 11:41:23 PDT 2009 Dear Mr. Hauzel Haukhum, You have come to head the Goa Administration at a critical time in its history. Our bureaucracy, supposed to be the steel frame , is rusted and lacking in basic discipline. The previous incumbant Mr J.P.Singh apparently had no time/ was unable to bother himself with the nitty gritty of administration . Kindly note the following: a)There is no fear of the law, rules and regulations. b)The administration is slack, no one is punished or fears consequences for dereliction of duty! c)Transparency and accountability are alien concepts. d)There is generally no action without complaint. e) Complaints are stonewalled. There is cover up and people are frustrated if they complain. f) In fact the complaint is leaked to the defaulter, and there is no one to protect the righteous citizen. g) Departments work at cross purposes, and within one compartment is unaware what the other is doing. h) Transfers of important personnel (one can understand if its for election duties) is routinely done at the drop of a hat. i) There is absolutely no handing over/taking over procedures followed, even if incumbents have plenty of time to do so. Consequently administration is in shambles. EACH POINT DESERVES YOUR ATTENTION. 2. If you could crack the whip immediately and show you mean business with your vast experience, and establish routine good administration, and we dare to hope excellence in due course, you will be doing Goa proud and our nation a great service. Thanking you, joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] COOJ Fundraiser - Monsoon Mania
Dear Friends, Once again COOJ is going bananas this August with its fundraising event 'Monsoon Mania' on 9th and 15th August. All details are on the attachment. We would be grateful if you can please forward this mail to everyone on your contact list. Food coupons for the goan traditional meal Vonxitt which will be served on 15th August are for sale at our office. Dont miss out on the mouthwatering traditional goan foods and sweets!! We will keep you updated of the other fun stuff we will be having on the 15th. Thanks and looking forward to your support. Best wishes, The COOJ team COOJ Centre for psychosocial rehabilitation promotion of mental health. F3 Gomes Catao Complex, Near Alankar theater, Rajwaddo, Mapuca. Goa Ph no. 0091 832 2253450 (9:30am - 4:30pm Mon-Fri, 9:30-12noon Sat), 9850150727 or 9823321272 email: coojtr...@yahoo.co.in _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx
Re: [Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC
Joe, time has changed and now you can get deluxe accd. in and around the shrine as many Hotels have come up. I was there in April this year, stayed at Hotel Sea Gate (www.hotelseagate.co.in) you can also drop in a mail and see if you can get a reply @ hotelseagate at gmail.com, the phone nos. are 04365 263910 Mob. 9842456109 its 10 minutes walk from the shrine. The tariff is 1500/- for double, single we did not ask. I stayed in a Villa clean tidy, without the nuisance of mosquitos, water woes Electricity problems.we were 5 adults + 2 kids, The amount was 2500/- per day.(The management doesn't care how many people share the Villa.) There were 2 Double rooms with A/c, 2 toilets (1 attach), Kitchen and Hall with TV Dining Table with 6 Chairs, have some pics from outside if anyone would like to have, do write! hAVE a nICE dAY! Seb Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:55:54 + (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC Valankinni by Luxury KTC ? KTC will organise? luxury bus ?to Valankinni in Tamil Nadu to attend the fama and Novena of the feast of? O/L of Vailankinni in September. Bus will leave on 27th Aug and back on 1st Sept Fare per head Rs.2,400. (group booking of more than 5 pay Rs.120 less per head) Contact 9423055747 or 2730071 ? Partly taken from today?s .GT ? Accommodation around the Shrine comes quite cheap. As low as Rs.100 per head. Other local small-small hotels rooms offered for Rs. 200 onwards. There was one big/decent ?hotel at that time on the main road to shrine and we paid Rs.700 per night? with attached bath, tv etc. We had to abandon during the night, ?the one we already booked for Rs.300 as it was not up to our expectation. Dirty, stinking, No hot water, electricity ?fails, mosquitoes etc This was around Feb 2005 Please note. Tariff around novena/feast day could be higher. ? ? Feedback on visit to valankinni welcome joego...@yahoo.co.uk
[Goanet] Fw: THE DIVAR ASSOCIATION WILL BE CELEBRATING GOA DAY 2009 AND THE BONDERAM FESTIVAL ON AUGUST 23, 2009, AT 3012 ARVIDA CIRCLE, MISSISSAUGA
Goemkars ! It is with great pleasure that i share - a post I received from Maurice Coutinho an exKarachi Goan - now based in Canada. Maurice tells us - that The Divar Association in Canada will be celebrating its VILLAGE CULTURAL HERITAGE Feast - THE BONDERAM FESTIVAL in TRUE GOAN style ( NIZ GOEMKAR ) on WORLD GOA DAY on the 23rd of August , 2009. Maurice was instrumental in founding the WORLD GOA DAY in Karachi, Pakistan about 8years ago , This event continues to be celebrated to this day - by Deborah Santamaria , despite of all the problems they have to face - please keep them in your thoughts. Don't LISTEN to what they say , WATCH what they do ! WORLD GOA DAY a day set aside by Goans - who are proud to be Goans to celebrate their Goan Cultural Heritage wherever they may be: WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS - Bringing Goans and Goan Associations Together ' From: MauriceandClarina Coutinho coutinho...@hotmail.com To: r.barreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk THE DIVAR ASSOCIATION WILL BE CELEBRATING GOA DAY 2009 AND THE BONDERAM FESTIVAL ON AUGUST 23, 2009, AT 3012 ARVIDA CIRCLE, MISSISSAUGA - CANADA THE PROGRAM IS AS FOLLOWS:- WECOME SPEECH BY MAURICE COUTINHO, PRESIDENT. SOLEMN MASS BY FR. ROBERT D'SILVA, DIVARKAR, VISITING FROM KARACHI MUSIC BY DJ SYMPHONY WITH RICHARD AND CHERYL ANNE COUTINHO PARADE OF THE FLAGS OF THE 16 VADDOS (WARDS) OF DIVAR ISLAND. MUSIC FOR DANCING INCLUDING THE SONG PROUD TO BE A GOAN SUMPTUOUS 10 COURSE BUFFET DINNER. MUSIC FOR DANCING BY DJ SYMPHONY. SINGING OF THE MANDO GUPIT MOG ANKHVAR PONAILO FOLLOWED BY DULPODS SUNG BY THE DIVAR CHORAL GROUP. MUSIC FOR DANCING BY DJ SYMPHONY KATODDEO ( BREAKING OF COCONUTS BY THE ATTENDEES ) A TRADITION OF DIVAR. MUSIC FOR DANCING BY DJ SYMPHONY. INNAUGURATION OF THE ST. MATHIAS CLUB IN TORONTO. (MALARKARS OF TORONTO ) MUSIC FOR DANCING BY DJ SYMPHONY. ADEUS CORCHO ZALO VELLU AND CLOSE DOWN. DETAILS AND PHOTOS WILL BE CIRCULATED SOON AFTER THE FUNCTION MAURICE COUTIHO - President - THE DIVAR ASSOCIATION - CANADA For Flyer : http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com/ WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS The International KONKANI SONG BOOK is being releasedworldwide for World Goa Day on 20 August, 2009. Launch copies will be available in Goa from 8 August at Furtados, and Pedro Fernandes music shops in Panjim and Margao. International orders will be filled online, so please register free here to be informed of availability. Or drop us a line to register, at i...@konkanisongbook.com. KONKANI SONG BOOK : Visit : Global Goan Musicians network : http://globalgoanmusicans.blogspot.com/ rene barreto -
[Goanet] Mario Menezes at Khell Tiatr Festival created a huge hungama
Dear JoeGoaUk, It is really good to read your reconsidered perspective. This is truly the way to do things. Earlier, I wanted to say something but held off. You note now allows me to put up a few points. We have to develop better forms of interaction. No videographer/photographer can simply walk in and shoot. A procedure has to be set up—this could be contacting the organisers and with the permission of the director. In such cases the cameramen are given a specific spot. They are escorted to a seat if at all or led to a place, which the director has vetted earlier of course making sire that the work will be seen in good light (both meanings). The camera does not obstruct the audience, including even in such cases as a non-paying audience. Some cases are different, and one would make it a point to know that. The INTEGRITY of the performance has to be maintained. OR, they ARE ONLY allowed to shoot a dress rehearsal. Period. No arguments. No creativity jive and all that. Also, no one should consider telling anyone to stop when one is irate for valid reasons, including perhaps for a play gone poorly. His or her world is falling apart AROUND HIM, and this MEDIA PERSON is the catalyst causing the unsettling. I have noticed this too often in India. This is a form of emasculation that our whole nation thrives in. There are parallels to this in other areas. All that convenient, Zalean te zalem, atan kit(em) korya. Sodd tem. Asundi. The worst is maguir pouvya. Also, certain words should never even be allowed to creep into our lexicon in phrasing an incident, since they distort sensibilities and convey an inappropriate sense of what happened. In those cases apologies must be made to the individual. Our folks tend to persist towards uncouth behavior, and this will continue in simultaneity with the realization as it slowly dawns upon them, that there is a certain elegance of the spirit in graciousness--at which point things will begin changing. One cannot bang sense into an entire collective unconscious overnight as names of streets are changed overnight, with the attendant expectation that people will let go of their pasts, with their joys and anguishes. Having said that there are times we say things, as in when I for instance, appear harsh on Goanet. Those case are specific and never churlish, or banal, but strive to address certain malaise's in our midst in no uncertain terms. venantius From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Mario Menezes at Khell Tiatr Festival created a huge hungama Thanks FN, i agree with you. ? Media etc should stay away from?such things?particularly when they know 'they don't like it'. And hence I had also coppied to goaJourno ? About the 'Flop tiatr' it is a talk of the town, I guess he himself admitted? by 'abandoning it' half way. I guess, I ?brought it up here at wrong time (as a part of my resentment over his behaviour?), which was wrong. ? Note: Cyberspace or net was not the issue he raised at the time, he was more specific on local media or TV channel and?infact,?he?mentioned HCN showing?his tiatr footage?as part of musical show. However, media could mean also cyberspace ? The media man was also partly to be blamed. He kept on shooting despite the fact he was approached twice by MM's messenger requesting him to stop ? thanks again ? joego...@yahoo.co.uk
[Goanet] Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:19:34 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com ALL Indian citizens including Kashmiris can come and settle in Goa as they wish.and by right. Mario asks: Just as Goans can go and settle anywhere in India. That is what a country means, folks, its a place for ALL its citizens. Goa is no longer a bogus Estado da India dictatorial colonial backwater; hasn't been for 48 years now. JC wrote: That was the deal worked out (through spectacular brilliance) by the Goa freedom fighters. Mario responds: Deal? What deal? The freedom fighters were Goans fighting for freedom from the Portuguese dictators, not freedom from other Indians. JC wrote: On the other hand, Those who are writing about (pro) migrants FAIL to understand that the problem a good percentage of Goans has with this unbridled migration .is the FILTH. Mario asks: JC is absolutely correct. Goa is getting as filthy as the rest of India. If Goa would elect competent and honest politicians they would provide public toilets and bath houses like they do in other poor countries and make the employers provide living quarters for their migrant workers that are no more filthy than a normal Goan house:-)) JC wrote: Rajan Parrikar has explained it beautifully. This generation of Goans will pass and the next one will not realise how clean Goa was. Mario responds: I can hear the conversation a generation from now, JC and RP telling their grandkids, Kitem re?! Goa was so beautiful and clean. We had wonderful white dictators, re. Everyone had to salute and bow. We Catholics were all like brown sahibs, men, especially on Sundays, when we all dressed up for church. But not when we wore our kashties. Then we all looked like kunbis. What a place. No bridges or paved roads or electricity or running water. It was marvelous, men. You should have seen our sanitary system! PIGS, men! Yes, you heard me right! PIGS. I kid you not. Scrawny porkers snorting around waiting for your intestinal waste products with great anticipation. The same ones that ended up as sorpotel and chorizos later that week, men. The ultimate cycle of life, re. Arre, the pork was so tasty. It doesn't taste like that anymore. What a shame, men! Those were the days I tell you. Before these damn Indians came and spoiled everything. May those freedom fighters rot in hell! Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:18:57 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com And the most beautiful thing that we have in Goa is DEMOCRACY Let us start by formulating laws that will open our beautiful land Goa to the whole world but not allowing anyone to take undue advantage of the goodness. As an example we might want to look at the Gulf regions and their laws. Mario responds: Floriano, The last time I checked most, if not all, the Gulf states were feudal sovereign dictatorships, not a small, beautiful and booming state like Goa within a chaotic democracy like India with 600 million or so rural poor who will go wherever they can to work and survive. I'm not sure what you mean by Let us start by formulating laws Who in India is going to let one state pass laws against internal migrants? Who gets to decide what undue advantage means? I think you know better than most is that it all begins with electing honest politicians who will at least enforce existing laws.
Re: [Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC
Joe, you don't look for comforts when you are on a pilgrimage trip. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201 We had to abandon during the night, the one we already booked for Rs.300 as it was not up to our expectation. Dirty, stinking, No hot water, electricity fails, mosquitoes etc This was around Feb 2005. _ Share your memories online with anyone you want. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1
Re: [Goanet] Best way to protect migrant labor kids from
Mario wrote: Not only cynical, but pretty callous as well. In the context of Sapna's question, your response says more about how the politically left of center think about their fellow human beings, while pretending to be concerned about them, than anything else you could have written. Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:45:57 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * There are a growing number of snake-catchers in Goa. Even our friends Mario and Muriel's (Another Goa) kids Tarika and Sohail are working on learning this skill, again if not mistaken. But more than the snakes, the rats are also a big issue here (not to speak of the bees), if you go by my postings over the years. Gabe Menezes should know, as he attempted to gift me a solution. Rahul (the same person mentioned above) pointed out that good ole rat traps work best in good ole Goa. After all, he should know, as he does need the occasional rat for his pet snake. How's this for an instant treatise? Would you offer me a left-of-centre cyberPhD for these few callous lines? FN Mario observes: Much better, Fred. But, to earn a Ph.D. in anything other than left-of-center callousness you need to do much better. For one thing, don't go stark raving bonkers every time Sapna Sahani asks a simple question. For another, publish a list of clinics and doctors where antidotes for snake venom are available night and day. No one knows who your friends Mario and Muriel are or how to reach them. BTW, cats are far better at clearing an area of rats than any rat trap.
[Goanet] Solar eclipse pits superstition against science
Hi Seb, A few corrections if I may? 1. In Hindu mythology, the two demons Rahu and Ketu are said to swallow the sun during eclipses, snuffing out its life-giving light and causing food to become inedible and water undrinkable. Gods being gods, they win the battle against the demons. 2. Shivani Sachdev Gour, a gynaecologist at the Fortis Hospital in New Delhi, said a number of expectant mothers scheduled for caesarian deliveries on July 22 had asked to change the date. -Even in the West, surgeons have realised that excessive bleeding takes place on full moo days and only serious cases are carried out with stock of blood. 3. An Indian political leader could be killed, he said, and tension between the West and Iran is likely to increase, escalating into possible US military action after September 9, when fiery Saturn moves from Leo into Virgo. In fact Saturn is not fiery it is cold hottest among the 10 Planets being the Sun and the coldest the Saturn because it is the furthest away for the Sun and the Earth but has as much clout as the Sun. 4.The last 200 years, whenever Saturn has gone into Virgo there has been either a world war or a mini world war, he told AFP. In fact Saturn enters Virgo every 28 years. (Have there been a war or a mini war every 28 years - I dont know). In fact incidents do not take place just after Girann but prior to and after, Afghanistan escalation could be linked to this incident? Every thing has a 28 cycle, the moon takes 28 days to return to its new moon or full moon cycle, womens periods are 28 day cycle (average) its changed these days because of their hectic lifestyle STRESS and alcoholic husbands - so they say. Many people if they look back on their life will find that their life changed completely when they were 28 years old (average between 28 and 30 years), this is when a person becomes in actual fact an 'Adult' (not at 21). 21 is 3/4 cycle. Caj.
Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: Persons like Fr Cedric Prakash or Medha Patkar are a rarity.They prefer to light a candle to banish the darkness rather than play politics or preach or just criticise. This is a very disingenuous assertion. Fr. Cedric Prakash is a Catholic priest. He is supposed to preach his religion to the masses. He is a regular contributor to religious news services such as South Asia Religious News, in which he criticizes the government, as well. ***Fr.Cedric Prakash, whom I know personally through my contacts in the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of India (CCBI), is a Jesuit priest defending the human rights of the people, particularly of the oppressed people. He is doing this work as a priest, not as a political activist. Fr.Cedric is the Director of PRASHANT, the Jesuit Centre for Human Rights, Justice and peace, Ahmedabad. There is nothing wrong in his work, on the contrary it is part and parcel of his priestly ministry. His social and political ministry is authorized by the Bishops of India. From his writings and from the post of Rajiv Desai it is clear that he is also politically active, in opposition to the Congress and Bharatiya Janata parties. Moreover, Mr. Desai claimed the following from his own personal experience regarding Fr. Prakash's political associations: I arranged as meeting for the Congress campaign team with him and his band of activists, mostly left-wing ideologues and jholewalas from outside Gujarat. (Rajiv Desai). Mr. Desai might want to clarify to which left-wing party these ideologues belonged. ***He is free to favour any political party that is working for the poor masses, provided that he pays attention to the ideology behind it. He can (and has to) reject any political party that is militating against the minorities and against the fundamental human rights. There is nothing wrong in being a political activist... ***He is doing the work as a Catholic priest--he is a Jesuit, hence he is authorized by his Bishops and Superiors--in the social and political fields. These fields are not forbidden to the Christians nor to the Catholic priests. It is religion in life, it is evangelization of daily life, in spite of our weaknesses. What I see as problems in a secular democracy, however, are: 1) The mixing of religion with activism and politics, and 2) Playing and taking advantage of religious identity politics The latter is as bad as vote banks... ***It is wrong to say that Religion has nothing to do with activism and politics. This is not working blindly for the vote banks. Christian religion is a way of life, the Kingdom of Gospel values, where there should reign justice and love. All dogmas, sacraments and teaching should lead to a balanced life of justice and love, in spite of our human errors and sins. Catholic Church has to influence even economics and politics. Politics is our daily life, it is how life is being governed. I have a say in politics by my voting rights as well as by influencing the people. With the permission of the Bishop, priests can enter even partisan politics. It is recommended to the Catholic priests not to intervene directly into partisan politics because a priest is a man of communion, and therefore should not divide the people, if all the parties follow the principles of justice. In case some party is violating human rights, then the priests can even preach from the pulpit not to vote for such a party. This is not partisan politics. Mahatma Gandhi had understood well that religion should influence politics. We Catholics vote not only for the Catholics but for a candidate of any religion or without religion, if s/he is a man/woman of character, principles, justice, peace, love, respecting the fundamental human rights. It is totally wrong to say that this is mixing religion with politics (Dr.Santosh does not know either what is religion or what is politics, or both). This is Religion, as St.James wrote: Now what use is it, my brothers, for a man to say he 'has faith' if his actions do not correspond with it? Could that sort of faith save anyone's soul? If a fellow man or woman has no clothes to wear and nothing to eat, and one of you say 'Good luck to you I hope you'll keep warm and find enough to eat', and yet give them nothing to meet their physical needs, what on earth is the good of that? Yet that is exactly what a bare faith without a corresponding life is like - useless and dead. If we only 'have faith' a man could easily challenge us by saying, 'you say that you have faith and I have merely good actions. Well, all you can do is to show me a faith without corresponding actions, but I can show you by my actions that I have faith as well.' (cf.Jas 2:14-18a). In short, religion is to help the orphan, the widow, the stranger, as the book of Deuteronomy was already saying.
[Goanet] GOENCHE.COM: Latest Businesses, Classifieds Services in Goa
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[Goanet] Talking Photos: What is ‘NO PARKING ’?
Talking Photos: What is ‘NO PARKING’? What is ‘NO Parking’? In Goa, it means ‘YES Parking’ New Panjim Market (Main entrance) with SBI mobile ATM http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3741968411/sizes/l/ Opp Goa Mariott, Miramar http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3732756376/sizes/l/ Nonsense! Drivers having no road-sense joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century (FN)
Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century For DEVIL'S ADVOCATE/ Frederick Noronha A German friend, married to a Goan, agrees with the view that Goans can indeed be quite melancholic about their present. It's surprising how pessimistic and lament-prone a people we can be. Even though we have positive things happening around us, we choose to focus on the negative. If you listened to the overwhelming tone of the Goa debate, you'd think that things are so bad we might as well give up even trying. In my life as a journalist, I've had the good fortune to come across so many interesting people and institutions. It makes one realise how determined -- if not heroic -- these people are. How steadfastly they believe in their dreams, and how much energy they are willing to put into it. Take for instance, an octogenarian expat writer who believes in mentoring young writers back home. Or an institution run by a set of elderly priests, who may not be highly educated themselves, but have given education to a few thousands and opens new careers to them. Or, the 'cudds' of Bombay, that allowed generations of poor migrants from Goa to find their toehold in a big and heartless city. Should we lament their death, or keep busy building institutions that serve our tomorrows? Isn't it amazing how Goan women sacrificed to ensure that their children got access to the best of education possible, as noted by the UK-based academic Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes? You can come across an encyclopaedia of such stories, where small people -- often individuals without any big backing -- worked for, and obtained, change. Take the case of the large number of educational institutions built up, often with bare government funding, which subsidises Goan attempts to improve. Talk to anyone who studied in urban India in the past generation or two, and there's good chance he or she had at least one Goan teacher. Why, the Indian diasporic writer M.G. Vassanji features Goans as teachers in distant Africa of the yesterdays, and not without reason. How else does one evaluate a tiny section of the population -- approx 1% of India's -- which has had such a big role in the world of sports (specially football), music, food, and education? * * * Of course, what is impressive is the way in which The Small Goan has lived his, and perhaps more often, her dream. In recent years, the Internet has been a very useful place through which to share ideas and inspiration. Since the mid-1990s when one first got involved with cyberspace, scores if not a few hundred people from all over have been sharing their ideas and questions over small projects and plans. Each one adds to the uniqueness of Goa. It's only when we see how others respond to things Goan that we recognise the unrecognised talent we have here. A foreign colleague who was visiting some museums in Goa was positively amazed by the energy and enthusiasm with which at least two are run. Left to ourselves, we don't even notice the uniqueness of such institutions. In such a situation, what would you think would be the attitude we should take up? One of cautious optimism? An attempt to build more institutions that could take such initiatives forwards? More active attempts at scouting for such positive signs that could take our society forward? Indeed not! For some reason, we seem sunk in pessimism, and in lamenting how bad things are, and blaming each other for making them worse. This is not to suggest that we have no problems in Goa. Someone discussing this issue in cyberspace -- and for some reason expats who opted for greener pastures are much more pessimistic than the local resident -- had a long laundry list of complaints. Right from mining, to mega-projects, the uncontrolled migrant influx, large-scale land sale to outsiders including foreigners, the slow death of Konkani, destruction of the environment and ecology, land and water contamination, a faulty employment policy forcing Goans to leave Goa, and illiterate or corrupt MLAs. For argument sake, let's accept that Goa's problems and priorities are exactly as described above. As my German friend noted, much of the critique of the present is based on a subconscious hankering for the past; the very past which saw a Goa that was so unproductive and mismanaged that large droves of its population had to migrate elsewhere. Today, at least, as he pointed out, some section of the population can live and work in Goa itself out of choice rather than being forced to move out. Of course, Goa will never have enough for our growing aspirations, unless we perform a small miracle to change that. This, also, should not be taken as an excuse for decision-makers to push just about any controversial industry, and use the factories-mean-jobs logic to line pockets. It is not just vocal expats and the influential chattering classes that are negative about our future. Look at the news in our media, and you'd easily believe that the only things that happen in Goa
[Goanet] Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net ARWIN’S LATEST REPLY TO MARIO ARWIN: I will work and leave the region.. Here in the Gulf whatever happens the local political power,rights.land is protected. No Guarantee migrants will do the same in Goa. Will the USA should open doors to everyone who wants to support their families? Supporting Families is not the issue but it should not affect the right to decent living of the people in the host regions. Mario responds: You are a foreigner in the UAE on a work permit. The migrants in Goa are Indians. The last time I checked, Goa was a part of India. In the US anyone can move to any other state for a job at any time without losing any of their rights. ARWIN’S LATEST REPLY: Mario pls stop changing the Goalposts, your specific query was how can I be a migrant in the UAE and oppose migrants in Goa, so my reply was in that context. The US opens its doors to hundreds of thousands of foreign workers every year, many legally, many more illegally. ARWIN’S LATEST REPLY: Why does the USA does not open the doors completely? Arwin wrote: Goa does not need mega projects Mario responds: You will have to first become Goa's dictator before you can impose this personal opinion on everyone else involved in the mega projects, who obviously do not agree with you. ARWIN’S LATEST REPLY; I suggest you spend less time on Goanet and more time with what is happening in Goa. Yes those who benefit from the destruction of Goa don’t share my opinion but many in Goa have objected to mega-projects if you are aware!! Arwin wrote: Yes agree that's why we need to spread awareness of the ill-effects of the same. Mario responds: You are free to do so and see if anyone cares. If you can get Goans to elect honest politicians you will have benefitted Goa. ARWIN’S LATEST REPLY: I and many have already started and many do care,; if you must know. Arwin wrote: Mega Projects for example are necessary for the builders personal pockets/bank accounts but un-necessary for Goa as it not only destroys the environment/ecolody, contaminates land/water. Traffic jams but also increasingly reduces the local population into a minority; also attracts loads of migrants who then create slums, group into vote-banks etc Mario responds: This is your opinion. What is actually happening shows that those involved don't agree with your opinion. ARWINS LATEST REPLY; Again I suggest you spend less time on Goanet and more time with what is happening in Goa. Yes those who benefit from the destruction of Goa don’t share my opinion but many in Goa have objected to mega-projects if you are aware!! Arwin wrote: Migrations are taking place yes but today (1) Internationally countries are putting in policies to retaian identities e.g. USA, Australia, France etc. Mario responds: You still don't seem to understand the difference between countries and states. ARWIN’s LATEST REPLY: -You don’t seem to understand the so called legalities must change if the local people are affected. Legalities are not divine !!. So do we Goans lose oour identity and right to decent living because “ we cant understand the difference between countries states?” Is Kashmir not a state and have special status; do they understand the difference between countries state” -You also don’t seem to understand that Goa was never part of the constituent assembly that framed the Current Constitution. Goa was invaded by military action and Goans never given a say in their future; and now people like you are talking about legalities!!
[Goanet] Fw: Kudzu.
States in the US south pay persons who herd goats that make short work of the pestilence. We do not attempt to cook American goat meat : the odour reaches the heavens. The UD Dept.of Agriculture imported twenty thousand Indian pygmy goats from Durban, thirty years ago. They were gifted to ten thousand farms, which now keep us well supplied with baby- goat trotters.
[Goanet] cedric prakash
i have observed with keen interest the back and forth on the activities of cedric prakash. nothing i have read so far convinces me that he stands for a positive cause. all his platitudes about human rights and social justice are planks in a long discredited platform, especially in the age of genuine liberalism (which prakash and his leftist and jholewala supporters call 'neo-liberalism'). as leaders of the world's two largest democracies, sonia gandhi and barack obama have revived the liberal cause that prakash and his ilk had expropriated. like medha patkar's, his is an oppositional mentality: he opposes modi and the bjp (and so do we all), he opposes the congress; he opposed the indo-us nuclear deal; he opposes all forms of development. his ideology seems to a confused mix between the left that stands for very little but knee jerk diatribes against capitalism (especially the usa) and the hind swaraj mindset that excoriates modernity (seen as something that is not indian). as such cedric prakash has no appreciation for the two most transformative forces of the 20th century: capitalism and modernization. he can get the 'alternate nobel' for what it's worth. but he remains today a destructive force in gujarat and indeed in the rest of india; especially among us liberals.
Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash
--- On Mon, 7/20/09, isouza icso...@sancharnet.in wrote: His social and political ministry is authorized by the Bishops of India. Sorry to note that mixing of religion with politics has official authorization. I hope those who want to promote secularism in India would speak out against it. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] FEATURE: Awaiting Trindade's homecoming (Pamela D'Mello, The Asian Age)
A w a i t i n g T r i n d a d e ' s h o m e c o m i n g FOCUS/Pamela D'Mello dmello.pam...@gmail.com THERE IS something lamentable in the long , yet unfinished sage of Antonio Xavier Trindade's extant art-works, as they continue to await a homecoming. One calls it a homecoming, because the collection of 60 paintings, watercolours and sketches, are slated to eventually find a place in Goa, Trindade's home state. It was a cherished dream of Trindade's two daughters -- Ester and Angela -- to have a permanent gallery for those of his works that had remained with the family. Trindade's grandchildren called a good number that were put up for auction at the Sotheby's in 1992. They are now part of a collection that was handed over to the Fundacao Oriente, a Portuguese foundation active in cultural initiatives in Goa, around five years back. The foundation has undertaken to have them suitably housed and displayed. It will still take a couple of years, before an adequate gallery is readied. Several sights have been surveyed and dismissed as unsuitable. By all accounts, it's been a labourious process. Prior to Fundacao Oriente's initiative, a museum was scheduled to open in 1997, but for various reasons did not. In the meanwhile, anyone desirous of viewing the Trindade collection would have to travel to Lisbon, where they are now with the Fundacao Oriente. Coinciding with the July 14 to July 16 Lusofonia Games in Lisbon -- involving Portugal's former estados -- the foundation will exhibit the works once again. Considered national treasures, a couple of Trindade's works are at Mumbai's Prince of Wales Museum. The privately-owned painting will come up for auction now and again. Probably, a few still hang at Casa Bianca, the home the Trindades built at Mahim, Mumbai, where the family lived for many years, while Trindade taught and was later superintendent at the JJ School of Arts, from 1898 until his retirement at the age of 55 in 1925. A good deal of his works were commissions from the Western and Indian elites in those days. Paintings of his household and family members, friends, neighbours, itinerant sadhus and fakirs, remained in his personal collection. Family accounts speak of a generous man, known to give away paintings to his doctors and caregivers when both his feet were amputated shortly before his demise in 1935. Some of Trindade's other works were pawned or sold to provide for his family of wife and eight children, during lean periods in Mumbai. Trindade was probably in his late teens when he enrolled at the JJ School of Arts in Mumbai around 1887. Instructed in classical European techniques and academic naturalism, Trindade went on to become a leading portrait painter -- counted among the most significant artists of early 20th century Indian art. The depth of psychological perception and purity of tones found in his oil paintings prompted one contemporary writer to call him the 'Rembrandt of the East'..., writes Professor Bradley Tindall in a 1996 Georgia Museum of Art exhibition catalogue. In an image of undated oil, titled 'Forsaken', the hopeless despair of the forlorn woman in the painting is almost palpable. Not surprisingly, images of the 'Forsaken' illustrate more than a few references of Trindade's oeuvre. His famed ability to bring out the simple sweetness of some of his subjects is simply breathtaking, even looking at images of a 1930 painting titled 'Mrs Miranda and child', or a 1925 oil 'Miss Ferns, A Writer', or 'The Armenian Sisters' (1932). Parts of the Trindade collection were restored in the United States, and exhibited at the Georgia Museum before the family came scouting to Goa for a suitable permanent exhibition site. Why Goa? Not only was Trindade born (1870) and brought up here, before he left for Sawantwadi and soon Mumbai for higher studies, but also like most Goans of his time, he returned often. His upbringing and Westernisation as a Goan Catholic, besides underpinning family life, influenced his work and informs his style. Because of his religious background, Trindade was perhaps unique among his compatriots for his penetrating versions of Christian themes, writes Tindall. The nostalgia and deep sentiment he had towards his native land and its people come through in a 1930 oil, 'Goan Fishing Boats at Low Tide'. [The Asian Age]
[Goanet] 2009 CALANGUTE SOCIAL IN CANADA
2009 CALANGUTE SOCIAL IN CANADA Monday, 20 July 2009 10:01 By: Kevin D'Costa The Villagers of Calangute joined together on July 19th, 2009 to celebrate their 18th Anniversary Social and the Feast Of Patron St. Alex. The Social was held at Europa Convention Centre, Mississauga, Ontario and was attended by well over 300 villagers and guests. Main celebrant and Chief Guest of Honour, His Excellency, The Most Reverend Alex Dias, SFX, Bishop of Port Blair (Son of Calangute who traveled all the way from India) attended the social and celebrated Holy Eucharist along with Bishop Peter Machado and Father Eusebio Fernandes. Music was provided by Goan Amigos. They got the crowd on their feet and on the dance floor all afternoon long. A sumptuous dinner included authentic Portuguese cuisine and wine; everyone enjoyed the delicious food. The President of the Calangute Association, Canada, Antonio Mascarenhas, raised the toast and was proclaimed unanimously President of the Calangute Association, Canada for another 2 year term (2010/2011). Congratulations to the President, Antonio Mascarenhas and his Committee for doing an outstanding job. We all had a wonderful time and look forward to another successful event next year!
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] DEVIL'S ADVOCATE -- Ulrike's comments for GoaNet
Hi Frederick, I enjoyed this very much and whole-heartedly agree. As I work here in Canada to promote tourism in our natural beauty, I can't help but think of Goa, and how it has an inferiority complex when it comes to its own natural assets! Perhaps that is why I was so adamant about sharing my ideals that Goa needs to be seen and appreciated, slowly, when I was there. Yes, Goa has problems, but they are minimal compared to other places I've visited. The biggest problem is a defeated attitude. While I was in Goa, a few of us discussed this and agreed that new Goa needs some bright young minds to step into leadership roles -- and that old Goa's role is to identify and cultivate them. I challenge Goan stake-holders, policy-makers and citizens to create such a program, instead of NRI Commission's ridiculous Know Goa program that I've previously written on (http://girlgonegoa.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/youth-travel-free-with-know-goa-program/). Best wishes, Ulrike Rodrigues
[Goanet] Daily Grook #473
DAILY GROOK #473 __ WED DREAD __ by Francis Rodrigues giddy honeymoooner husbands and wives, stumbling thru the daze of our lives! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com _ Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355
[Goanet] Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:19:15 +0400 From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com Mario pls stop changing the Goalposts, Mario responds: The goalposts are still the same. The UAE, US, UK etc. are countries. Goa is a state. You don't seem to know the difference. ARwin wrote: your specific query was how can I be a migrant in the UAE and oppose migrants in Goa Mario responds: I never denied your right to oppose or support anything you want to. Here is what I said, What exactly is an unnecessary employment opportunity for someone who is willing to work to support their family? Aren't you doing the same, that too, in the UAE? Don't you see the irony in that? What this means is that as a migrant worker yourself you should understand why people migrate to earn money to support their families. Arwin wrote: Why does the USA does not open the doors completely? Mario explains: Because the US is a country that must maintain law and order for the sake of its citizens and the obligations and benefits they share. Goa is a state in India, which is different from being a country. It would be like Ohio, which is a state in the USA. Any American can come and go and do whatever they want to in Ohio. This is like the migrants from other parts of India who choose to come to Goa. Arwin wrote: Yes those who benefit from the destruction of Goa don?t share my opinion but many in Goa have objected to mega-projects if you are aware!! Mario responds: Obviously, not enough of them agree with you because the mega projects are continuing. BTW, I see them every year when I come down to Goa. I don't like them any more than you do, but, if they are legal there is nothing you can do other than lobby the Goan politicians to change the laws governing the locations and types of buildings. I doubt they can change laws that affect other non-Goan Indians. Arwin wrote: I and many have already started and many do care,; if you must know. Mario responds: I wish you good luck. Please make sure Floriano is elected. I would also nominate Selma and Rajan if they can make time in their busy schedules of changing the world. That would shake up the Goan Legislature for sure. Arwin wrote: -You don?t seem to understand the so called legalities must change if the local people are affected. Legalities are not divine !!. So do we Goans lose oour identity and right to decent living because ? we cant understand the difference between countries states?? Mario responds: Any universal Goan identity is all in your mind. Some legalities are virtually divine. For example, Goa is a state within the country called India. Of course you could change that by becoming a modern Chattrapati and forcibly breaking away from India. Perhaps you could get the meaty Russians in Morjim to help you. Then you could run Goa the way you keep writing about. Until then, I think it would help your blood pressure if you understood the difference between a country and a state. Many Goans don't seem to be interested in making a decent living in Goa, like you for example. This is what creates the need for migrant workers from other parts of India. Instead of fantacizing about bogus premises of statehood I suggest you hook up with people like Floriano and Carmen Miranda and perhaps Ana Maria and work on some realistic ideas.
[Goanet] Goa news for July 22, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** \'Casinos are destroying families in Goa\' - Press Trust of India hore casinos at the cost of local population. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/184592_-Casinos-are-destroying-families-in-Goa-usg=AFQjCNHe9PBfdEChx1MdNwPw8O5gKGqxPg *** Goa not doing enough for swine flu patients, says nodal officer - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa health department's nodal officer for swine flu on Sunday alleged that the state health authorities were not cooperating with him and not ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-City-Goa-Goa-not-doing-enough-for-swine-flu-patients-says-nodal-officer-/articleshow/4795483.cmsusg=AFQjCNFTsatdx-YuQMpAgLjvIxWhQ40gug *** Seven Goa beaches under erosion threat: Minister - Times of India er-cent-of-Goa-s-coastline-crumbling-in-seausg=AFQjCNGj_ifZTnhvi_SP9C7A-Mp5_frWiQ10 per cent of Goa's coastline crumbling in sea http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/Environment/Global-Warming/Seven-Goa-beaches-under-erosion-threat-Minister/articleshow/4799711.cmsusg=AFQjCNHm-LRtwX-LJOseW9pQ-349boV7wA *** Goa\'s offshore casino business booming - SINDH TODAY pot for hippies, Goa's new found reputation as a gambling destination appears to be catching on fast. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.sindhtoday.net/news/1/32684.htmusg=AFQjCNFcJb0BHbYeCNitz2O8jww1_DD6xQ *** BJP urges Goa to focus on domestic tourists - Thaindian.com gnoring-tourism-says-Mapusa-legislator/articleshow/4800659.cmsusg=AFQjCNGgqRyFoHZGIwOCKUfHZoWfhxIUjQState ignoring tourism, says Mapusa legislator http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/bjp-urges-goa-to-focus-on-domestic-tourists_100220641.htmlusg=AFQjCNFC7nkUZ0CRsQWLcFqZquU1zgqcDg *** Mining ores pollute river in remote Goa: Parrikar - Press Trust of India mw-case-echoes-in-goa-assembly_100220839.htmlusg=AFQjCNHtsgV9_xcttD_wWii15lE3I8JWewDelhi BMW case echoes in Goa assembly http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/186690_Mining-ores-pollute-river-in-remote-Goa--Parrikarusg=AFQjCNHIQZGiIK4kzpqzPdRUXLVYvtaWnQ *** Environment minister to look into CRZ issue: Kamat - Press Trust of India PJOgwK7AFishermen celebrate CMZ proposal http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://ptinews.com/news/186652_Environment-minister-to-look-into-CRZ-issue--Kamatusg=AFQjCNGHCCrl7p-rCAxVpUMCw16i1Xd7GQ *** Goa\'s Bondla zoo gets pair of tigers - Press Trust of India ess Trust of IndiaPanaji, Jul 21 (PTI) Goa's Bondla zoo has got a pair of tiger under a exchange scheme with the Vishakapatnam zoological park, a senior forest officers said. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/186606_Goa-s-Bondla-zoo-gets-pair-of-tigersusg=AFQjCNGzyWQG0rYlKA8D3VceDXOinvXgpA *** Over 100 foreigners deported from Goa in 3 years - Sify fyMore than 100 foreign nationals who were illegally staying in Goa have been deported to their respective countries over the last three years, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Ttitle=Over_100_foreigners_deported_from_Goa_in_3_yearsurl=http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?a=jhvrEvjfjdgusg=AFQjCNF1oF0DCgu7y7FXJGJwOXku8s16SQ *** A view from Goa - Herald Publications rald PublicationsGoa viewers will get to see 55 per cent of the total solar eclipse and that too if the weather doesn't play truant and the skies remain clear, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?cid=2fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=24797usg=AFQjCNFiXSOFFhbCzfw16Cg4il_MFgNXNA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Sunrise in Siolim
To Goanet - http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2009/07/21/sunrise-in-siolim/ More at - http://www.parrikar.com/blog r
[Goanet] Goanet] FEATURE: Awaiting Trindade's homecoming (Pamela D'Mello, The Asian Age)
Thanks Pamela D'Mello, for posting your feature piece. It would have been great to hear from Luso Goans on the exhibition. Mas… tal é vida, e tempo. Catalog available at: http://www.foriente.pt/106/catalogo-de-exposicoes.htm Um pintor de Goa. A tiny video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewaIV1oWep0 From Portuguese media: http://www.destak.pt/artigos.php?art=34545 http://www.musicatotal.net/noticias/ver.php?id=6079 venantius Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:41:44 +0530 From: Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] FEATURE: Awaiting Trindade's homecoming (Pamela D'Mello,The Asian Age) A w a i t i n g T r i n d a d e ' s h o m e c o m i n g FOCUS/Pamela D'Mello dmello.pam...@gmail.com The nostalgia and deep sentiment he had towards his native land and its people come through in a 1930 oil, 'Goan Fishing Boats at Low Tide'. [The Asian Age] ---
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century (FN)
Very true FN ! This is what Goa goans need: a shot in the arm, every now then, to invigorate the susegad goenkar !! . Well done, again. Rgds, Alex Silveira On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Goanet Reader wrote: Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century DEVIL'S ADVOCATE/ Frederick Noronha A German friend, married to a Goan, agrees with the view that Goans can indeed be quite melancholic about their present. It's surprising how pessimistic and lament-prone a people we can be.
[Goanet] Hindi Coures
Hi, Communicare Cultural Center will conduct a Basic Intermediate Hindi language Course from August 2009. The duration of the course will be 3 months. 3X a week, 1 hr class. Interested students please contact on 9767504770 / 2903089 Thank you Glancy Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] ANJUNA LOCALS IRKED OVER ERRATIC POWER BILLS (Herald)
ANJUNA LOCALS IRKED OVER ERRATIC POWER BILLS Herald Correspondent Calangute, July 20 Residents of Anjuna have complained of irregular issue of electricity bills. According to residents, they are being billed exorbitantly due to non-issue of electricity bills on regular basis, monthly or bi-monthly. For some time now, we are billed after every four months, which adds to exorbitant bills due to consumption of higher chargeable units, said the residents. Says Mr. Govekar, a local: If the electricity department was to bill us regularly, say monthly or bi-monthly basis, we would have been paying less. We are charged higher rates depending upon the actual units consumed. Dinesh of Anjuna said: The electricity department says that they do not have personnel to take meter reading. If this is the case, then why not take Goans on the pay roll to get the job done? There are many Goans who are willing to accept such jobs. When contacted, Executive Engineer, Ulhas Kerkar said that they were running short of personnel. In view of the parliamentary elections, our personnel were requisitioned by mamlatdar's office and other government departments. However, there will not be any such delays in the future and the consumers will have regular billing on bi-monthly basis, said Kerkar. (ENDS) COMMENT: Anjunkars are billed every four months and Executive Engineer Kerkar says they were running short of personnel due to parliamentary elections. Perhaps Kerkar believes that Anjunkars have parliamentary elections every four months. Goans are regularly fed excuses, excuses and excuses for all the incompetencies of the government. From politicians, bureacrats and as seen above from government staff too. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mobile: 9420979201
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (22Jul09)
*** Total Eclipse in Goa of Green Goa! *** ...By Corrupt Politicians...Greedy Goans...Care-A-Damn Mine Owners...Builders...Etc To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Save the last jewel in the crown of Bharat mata
Dear Goa net, I am sitting in Sanfrasisco and only hope that you guys are in a position to handle your affairs as I have quiet the scene since long. I would like to tell you that when I came to Goa in 1969, I was impressed by the state and the administration that reading about files, hurts me. I sat down with the chief minister Bandodkar on Vasco stadium to watch football match between Vasco club and Leader of Jullundur, where I belong. On that particular day, I thought I belonged to Goa and I still feel that I do belong to Goa however, You guys are the ones to save the last jewel in the crown of Bharat mata. Goa is one such jewel which we can not efford to loose; we lost it for very long already. God bless all of you. A naval pilot of past glory. Bill Hothi Owner / Broker Nation Wide Homes/Properties billhothi.nationw...@gmail.com Direct: (707) 386-4155 Fax: (707) 427-3477
[Goanet] Goenkarancheo Dhirio- Which Team will grab the next 3 points??
Goemkars ! Dar es Salaam Niz Goemkars continue their month long Cultural and sporting events - here are their updates : rene - Forwarded Message From: Savio Fernandes sav...@cats-net.com To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:39:40 PM Subject: Fw: Goenkarancheo Dhirio- Which Team will grab the next 3 points?? Which Team will grab the next 3 points?? Table Tennis 22nd July at 8pm onwards Darts 24th July at 8:30 pm onwards Flyers - of month long Goan Cultural and sporting events at Dar es Salaam Institute - Dar es Salaam - Tanzania http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com/2009/07/goans-of-dar-es-salaam-tanzania.html Also on the 24th July The IYF who performed for us during Xmas are back to bring us some exciting Cultural dances from the following countries: America, India, Korea, China and also some African Dances together with a number of other performances. Performance will begin at 8:00 pm. PS : For those who would like to join the Goenkarancheo Dhirio Choir for World Goa Day , Pls get in touch with Sapphire D'sa on 0784- 339411.Altar Boys wishing to serve mass are also requested to see Sapphire. Goenkarancheo Management- Proud to be Goan St. Xaviers Institute - Dar es Salaam Tanznai webiste : http://www.goans.or.tz/ Tanzanite Toronto webiste : http://www.tanzanitetoronto.com/ Tanzanite Goans Yahoo egroup : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goans_tanzanite/
[Goanet] 4 more VCDs/DVD - Antacheo sunom, Farikponn, Ekuch Mati, Hans anik hans
yesterday, bought 4 more new VCDs/DVD. Check this out.. VCD N0: 259 ATANCHEO SUNOM by C Alvares/.Capucina (more info or pic not available for public due to producer's objections) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3745037642/ VCD No: 260 HANS ANIK HANS by Com. Ambe (12 superhit comedies) With Com. Ambe, Com. Dias, Com. Janet, Com Aurelio, C bebo, Franky, David, Piety de Navelim, Bab Lavington, Baba Giles, Jason etc Rs. 150 July/2009 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3745037206/ VCD No. 261 FARIKPONN by C D Silva With C D Silva, Janet, Conny M, Anie Quadros, Lawry, Victor, Andrew, Felcy, Cajetan de Curtorim, Ali etc Rs.150 July/2009 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3744239233/ VCD/DVD No: 262 EKUCH MATI (Old Tiar) presented by Anthony Sylvester It says ‘Adlo Famad Tiatr’ With Fatima, Jusephine, Meena, Irene, Querobina, Jr. Rod, Anil Kumar, Trio King- Joaquin-Anthony-Souza Boy, Godwin, Mario de Vasco, Premanand sangoddkar, Kenny, H Britton, Bab Andrew, Anthony San, Comdian Ambe, Com. Agustinho, Com, Ben Evangelisto, Com. Domnic etc. DVD Rs.250 VCD Rs.200 July/ 2009 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3745038046/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Thanks Domnic, It was only abandoned when we found out there were other choices for us/Pilgrims. Infact, when we went out for dinner, we saw the hotel- enquired, inspected and then booked it. I guess, there is nothing wrong to go for an alternate or comfortable accommodation if available and affordable. Like us, I am sure many others too go for it or else there would have been no deluxe hotels around the Shrine Some people or pilgrims can’t afford it, that’s a different matter. Yet, there may be many who would do anything to save money, including some NRIs. Sadly, we were not one of them. Some of our Pe.Vigars. Pe. Kurs, Copelanv, Rectors etc too live in comforts such as A/c rooms, TVs/DVDs. Cars, Laptops etc Quote [Goanet] Valankinni by Luxury KTC Joe, you don't look for comforts when you are on a pilgrimage trip. Moi-mogan, Domnic FernandesAnjuna, GoaMob: 9420979201We had to abandon during the night, the one we already booked forRs.300 as it was not up to our expectation. Dirty, stinking, No hotwater, electricity fails, mosquitoes etc This was around Feb 2005. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Snake bites
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html First off all humans should not trash the snake environment. Second, automation should be used for construction therefore not requiring child labour. Third, maybe the Shahani family could help by accomodating the construction labour. BC There is a construction site right next to my house and the migrant laborers who live in tents there are afraid their children will get bitten by snakes since they've seen many around. My father wants to buy them a lamp so they can see better in their tent area, but I thought there might be a better solution. Please let me know what you think and also, if you know the best place for snake bite treatment - we've heard not all hospitals are equipped with antidotes? Thanks, Sapna.
[Goanet] Anil-Olga's Tiatr - A trailer
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Anil-Olga's Tiatr - A trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4JDzDTUq0k Note: Clips of all shows that were staged at KA as part of Late Anotnio Mari Pereira Khell Tiatr Festival 2009 will be available to watch here including that of Mario Menezes' Love Story 2009, 4/5 already uploaded The seven were.. Maxcy Pereira - Amche-i Aundde Domnic Carvalho - Tim Odik Bhagi Anil-Olga - Ek Dhago Sukhacho Succor de St. Cruz - Hanv porot Etelim Mario Menezes - Love Story 2009 Minin de Bandar - Jiv Pascoal Rodrigues - Faleam Udetelem? joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html JoeGoaUk wrote: We called him ‘Girannak sampoddlolo’ or affected by eclipse. This was due to his/her pregnant mother handling sharp items like knives, adolli etc at the time of ‘girann’ on on the eclipse day. We called them ‘Kan Katro, Vontt Katro or Nak katro’. JoeGoaUk, The progress of any society lies not in how well they accept new ideas. Instead, the progress lies in how difficult it is to escape from old ideas. For those who cannot or who do not want to believe that an eclipse is as natural as sunrise and sunset, there are tons of people waiting to exploit this ignorance. Whatever it is, whether you are pregnant or not, it was advised, not to watch it with your naked eyes as it could permanently damaged eye retina. Use eclipse glasses or mylar films (what it is I don’t know) Which reminds me of the old Kenyan insult, Your face is like a solar eclipse, whoever looks at it goes blind. Mervyn1650Lobo __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Snake bites
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Let me translate that into Goanetspeak: A snake comes ahead of a machine, which comes ahead of a migrant kid in my scheme of things! Is that correct? Mario Voice of Peace and Everything Else Good Goveia, I hate to slink into I-told-you-so'ism, but when I spoke out about Goanetters and Colacos, you termed me cycnical or something of that kind :-) FN 2009/7/22 Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk: First off all humans should not trash the snake environment. Second, automation should be used for construction therefore not requiring child labour. Third, maybe the Shahani family could help by accomodating the construction labour.
[Goanet] Fr. Cedric Prakash
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Rajiv writes: i have observed with keen interest the back and forth on the activities of cedric prakash. nothing i have read so far convinces me that he stands for a positive cause. all his platitudes about human rights and social justice are planks in a long discredited platform, especially in the age of genuine liberalism (which prakash and his leftist and jholewala supporters call 'neo-liberalism'). as leaders of the world's two largest democracies, sonia gandhi and barack obama have revived the liberal cause that prakash and his ilk had expropriated. like medha patkar's, his is an oppositional mentality: he opposes modi and the bjp (and so do we all), he opposes the congress; he opposed the indo-us nuclear deal; he opposes all forms of development. his ideology seems to a confused mix between the left that stands for very little but knee jerk diatribes against capitalism (especially the usa) and the hind swaraj mindset that excoriates modernity (seen as something that is not indian). as such cedric prakash has no appreciation for the two most transformative forces of the 20th century: capitalism and modernization. he can get the 'alternate nobel' for what it's worth. but he remains today a destructive force in gujarat and indeed in the rest of india; especially among us liberals. People who have no clue on creative, environmentally sustainable development but only know greed destroy the environment (mining is an example) or rivers and lifestyles of lakhs of poor people for their own selfish ends. If that is what the 20 th century has taught us as a modern concept, then we havent learnt anything from the 20 th century. In India, these concepts of so called development are combined with corruption, lack of rehabilitation when tribals are displaced. Why, because we need more cars, or more water for our consumption. What we will do with more cars or more water, God alone knows. These are the real destructive forces of today because their greed for earth's resources are infinite. The West having screwed up the earth is now waking up to the issue and happily uses the Third World's resources now to satisfy its infinite greed --- consider garbage disposal of the West to Africa. In fact, some of the trash from 9/11 has landed up in Chennai, I am told. Wealth is not created by destroying the earth; in fact, we will get further impoverished. A few people have had the conviction to stand up to this. Medha Patkar is one of them. Such people who talk sense are then dismissed as anti-development. However, those who invest in producing more cars thus gobbling up all the steel, or mining companies such as Vedanta which destroy eco-sensitive areas such as the Sahyadris are touted as pro-development. What a travesty of the concept of development! regards, Samir
