[Goanet] Jazz Goa's radio broadcast

2009-07-27 Thread Jazz Goa

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Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

2009-07-27 Thread isouza


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From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
This political interference by a religious organization with the public 
policy and constitution of secular country should be rejected by all 
secular-minded people. The spread of bigoted false information on 
homosexuals by the news service and priests of one particular religion 
because of their provincial faith-based beliefs, as is being done below, 
deserves nothing but the strongest condemnation.
***Bishops and priests are citizens of the country as Dr.Santosh  claims to 
be. They have a constitutional right to express their opinions. Their stand 
on different issues has its own weight. The Church has to protect the 
family. The scientific evidence given by me below about homosexuality comes 
from scientific investigation, not from religious organization (Catholic 
News Service). Dr.Santosh has not refuted it. Let him browse in the Internet 
and provide us better scientific, peer-controlled material...We have to 
distinguish between homosexual orientation and homosexual behaviour. 
Homosexual activity is morally wrong. We have to help the homosexuals with 
concern so as to use their freedom as much as possible for their renewal. We 
call gay the one who is proud of his homosexual tendency. Gays become 
militant and try to attack the values of our culture and militantly intend 
to corrupt our youth. Unhealthy, immoral, abnormal behaviour cannot be 
legalized (given rights). We need rehabilitation of the homosexuals.

Regards.
Fr.Ivo


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Bishops Urge Constitutional Amendment to Protect Marriage


WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The Administrative Committee of the
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has called for a
constitutional amendment to protect the unique social and
legal status of marriage.
...

-Catholic News Service


What does the scientific evidence show about
homosexuality?

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association removed
homosexuality from its list of diagnostic disorders. In
retrospect, this decision appears to have been inspired by
political pressure rather than medical evidence.
Homosexuals of both sexes remain fourteen times more likely
to attempt suicide than heterosexuals and 3½ times more
likely to commit suicide successfully. Thirty years ago,
this propensity toward suicide was attributed to social
rejection, but the numbers have remained largely stable
since then despite far greater public acceptance than
existed in 1973. Study after study shows that male and
female homosexuals have much higher rates of interpersonal
maladjustment, depression, conduct disorder, childhood abuse
(both sexual and violent), domestic violence, alcohol or
drug abuse, anxiety, and dependency on psychiatric care than
heterosexuals. Life expectancy of homosexual men was only
forty-eight years before the AIDS virus came on the scene,
and it is now down to thirty-eight. Only 2 percent of
homosexual men live past age sixty-five.
Male homosexuals are prone to cancer (especially anal
cancer, which is almost unheard-of in male heterosexuals)
and various sexually transmitted diseases, including
urethritis, laryngitis, prostatitis, hepatitis A and B,
syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and genital warts
(which are caused by the human papilloma virus, which also
causes genital cancers). Lesbians are at lower risk for STDs
but at high risk for breast cancer. Homosexuals of both
sexes have high rates of drug abuse, including cocaine,
marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics, barbiturates, and
amyl nitrate.







Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

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--- On Sun, 7/26/09, J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 However, I stand by my stated position that IF Priolkar has
 written
 about the Inquisition in isolation, he could be no
 historian - never
 mind who acclaims him as one.


I don't know what this means. Priolkar also wrote a well-researched book on the 
history of the printing press in India - a subject that should cause no 
denunciation of his status as a historian on ideological grounds. The question 
of substantiating the accusations against him with objective evidence still 
remains. When time permits and when I get a chance I will try to address with 
facts whether Priolkar ever stated, without citing any evidence, that anybody 
else other than the New Christians and new converts was a target of the 
inquisition, as has been claimed.

Cheers,

Santosh


  


[Goanet] Talking Photo: what do you think is this?

2009-07-27 Thread JoeGoaUk

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It's simple and plain
 
What do you think is this?
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or see it bigger here
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[Goanet] More on the Inquisition...

2009-07-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

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Permit me this transgression against cross-posting, since this is an
important issue to understanding Goa of the past and yesterday.

I believe that Santosh is placing the crossbar very low when it comes
to testing the work of a Priolkar, with the focus shifting to whether
he or not he claimed without citing any evidence, that anybody other
than the New Christians and new converts were the targets of the
inquisition.

A lot of Priolkar's work has been going round it circles. It will be
used, for instance, as the basis of a Government of Goa-funded early
2000s film on the Goa Inquisition, and then it will be cited to
critique anyone questioning the logic and intent of the film!

Anyone who has been following the debate on Goanet and GoaResearchNet
these days would know what the issues are primarily about. Priolkar's
book has influenced a generation, and hence should be open to debate.

FN


-- Forwarded message --
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Date: 2009/7/27
Subject: [GoenchimXapotam] Re: Maligning of Priolkar
To: goenchimxapo...@yahoogroups.com


Rajan,

Can you post this message on Goanet? Frederick appears to believe he
knows what is in that book. I would especially appreciate it if you
can tell me if Priolkar claimed, without citing any evidence, that
anybody other than the New Christians and new converts were the
targets of the inquisition.

Cheers,

Santosh


--- In goenchimxapo...@yahoogroups.com, Rajan P. Parrikar
parri...@... wrote:

 I have read A.K. Priolkar's Goa Inquisition (I have it on my shelf) and 
 NOTHING in his work lead me to believe he was a zealous propagandist.  His 
 is an important work of history and if I correctly recall Priolkar himself 
 observes that more work is needed on the subject.

 One more thing - I did use Priolkar's work to debunk a true-blue propagandist 
 and whitewasher of Portuguese crimes, namely Frederick Noronha.

Rajan P. Parrikar
 to GoenchimXapotam

show details 05:08 (7 hours ago)


Reply

       Follow up message
Dr. Helekar,

Alas, my 'shelf' is physically in storage right now.  One thing that I
clearly remember Priolkar writing towards the end of his book - the
smart bean that he was, he had anticipated these charges especially
given his Hindu bamon background, and he observes that it would have
been better if someone else had undertaken the work.

As for responding to Frederick - I will give it a pass for now.  I
long stopped engaging him in any serious manner (this is not to imply
that you shouldn't).  As I have said on Goanet many times, he is a cut
 paste hack, nothing more.  I doubt the man has read a single good
book in his life, or carried a single thought to any conclusion.  He
has the attention span of a toddler.



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[Goanet] Fw: How to Clean a Dirty CD

2009-07-27 Thread Luis Vas

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 CD

Jul 24, 2009 How to Clean a Dirty
CDhttp://cutefunzone.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-clean-dirty-cd.html
 Do you know how to clean a CD? Every time you keep your CD outside the
pouch, there is a high possibility that the CD could get *dirty, smudged or
fingerprinted*. And the problem with most of you is that you want to clean
it but you don’t know how to clean it in such a dirty condition.

Cleaning Dirty CDsFor all those who want to clean a *dirty CD* with minimum
effort in the cheapest way, follow the process with simple steps given below
in order.

   - Find yourself a container (a medium sized one which is good enough to
   submerge a disk in it)
   - Squeeze into the container a table spoon of* liquid soap or window
   cleaning solution*. You can also use all-natural cleaning liquid made out
   of distilled water.
   - Now pour *clean water* into the container and fill it. Now the water
   should become *soapy *once it gets mixed with the cleaning solution added
   whatsoever.
   - Now put the* dirty disk* into the container filled with soapy water.
   Leave it there for about a minute or two.
   - Now remove the disk from the soapy water container and rinse it
with *running
   warm water*.
   - Repeat the process if the disk is still a bit dirty. In case the
   smudges on the disk are stubborn, you can use a *soft cloth* to rub soap
   on those parts.
   - Finally *shake off the excess water* and let the disk to *dry naturally
   *. Do not use any artificial blower or hair drier.

Now you have your shiny good as new CD which can be easily run on your
computer and there are less chances of getting data copy errors on running
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[Goanet] Phone threats before 'brutal' attack on ABC reporter

2009-07-27 Thread Ruby Goes

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Goanetters,
This from the reliable SMH. 4 Corners is trustworthy and fact-checked; a
loved and respected programme. (abc.net.au)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/phone-threats-before-brutal-attack-on-abc-rep
orter-20090727-dybx.html

The truth will out!
RubyGoes



[Goanet] Undercover ABC Four Corners reporter bashed | TV | News.com.au

2009-07-27 Thread Ruby Goes

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Hi Goanetters,
It sure looks like the goondas are a tad worried!
Any news about this in the Indian media?


http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,25840216-10229,00.html?re
ferrer=emailsource=eDM_newspulse

RubyGoes 
(in Sydney AU)



Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Tony de Sa

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JC

So also anybody who states (for example) that the holocaust was
directed mainly against the Portuguese Jews. (They would have been a
significant number if (the later) Pope John the XXIII had not sought help
from the Portuguese Ambassador in Istambul to forge their birth
certificates + passports and send them to the Americas and the Caribbean
via the sea route)

I think the Pope referred is Pius XII. John XXIII ascended the throne of
Rome only in October 1968 - a wee bit too late in the day, perhaps, for WWII
;-)

Rgds

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[Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

2009-07-27 Thread Cajetan Alvares

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(Homosexual activity is morally wrong. We have to help the homosexuals with
concern so as to use their freedom as much as possible for their renewal. We
call gay the one who is proud of his homosexual tendency. Gays become
militant and try to attack the values of our culture and militantly intend
to corrupt our youth. Unhealthy, immoral, abnormal behaviour cannot be
legalized (given rights). We need rehabilitation of the
homosexuals.Regards.Fr.Ivo)

Dear Fr Ivo,
Try as much as I can, I cannot agree with you that Homosexuality is an
activity. I am not siding with Santosh or any one else here, this is just my
derivation.
A fetus is female for 7 week, something triggers in the womb that changes
female fetus to male (in crocodiles it is the sun that heats the sand, those
in the shade are female).
Therefore something has gone wrong (regarding sex formation) in a woman's
body (if I may put it that way).
This triggering in the womans body can also go wrong and children are born
with eight or 6 limbs or numerous nipples (like that of an animal) etc.
Try as much as I can I cannot act (activity) as a Homosexual (waving arms
and wriggling by bottom and doing a funny talk for more than 5 minutes, its
tiring).
Caj.
(In Hindu Astrology, it is written that if a pregnant woman wants a boy to
be born she should do puja at 7th week. This is an ancient writing, I wonder
how they knew this. When I first read this I said it was rubbish.
The change of sex at 7th week as we know now is a fairly recent 20th Cent.
scientific discovery).


[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

2009-07-27 Thread Dr. U. G. Barad

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Fr Cedric Prakash

As per information provided by Venantius Pinto, Fr Cedric Prakash has said:
In the Catholic case, prior to the Second Vatican Council, the position was
the there is no salvation outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church.
But now our official position has undergone a major change. Salvation, we
now believe, is indeed possible outside the Church.

Does this mean that those who died prior to the Second Vatican Council were
not saved?

Of course, this is a tongue in cheek question.  The important point is what
was the reason for the major change?

Fr Cedric also said: On the other hand, many right-wing evangelical and
fundamentalist Protestant churches believe that non-Christians, no matter
how pious or good, will be doomed to hell.

It would be interesting to know who edactly as these churches, and what is
the Vatican doing to counteract this threat.

Best wishes.

Dr UG Barad




Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares

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My dear misinformed revisionist of historical facts,

 

Yes, indeed! Herein chronology, as well as every other fantasy, is most

deplorably messed/souped up; rather than being victimized by Hitler, the 

Portuguese Jews were the luckier ones than those elsewhere in fastung Europe 

 those few, many Gulbenkians  others that found themselves in, or managed 

to, escape to Portugal, because of its pragmatic neutrality were safely beyond

beyond the mad corporal's ken.

 

, btw, during most of deat John XXlll's Pontificate, do you know who was the

Portuguese envoy to Ankara: Our own Goan,  Lotlikar, Professor Bonifácio da

Miranda.

 

I spent pleasant time listening to his phenomenal accounts of his activities:

His harassment in India, while he was an academic st St. Xavier's, Bombay,

followed by arbitrary deportation to Goa and his most notable diplomatic 

career  achievements following Operation Vijay, on behalf of Goa, including

Portuguese representation at the UN.

 

Alfred de Tavares,

Stockholm, 2009-07-27

 

0046 8 295 4091  
 

 

 

 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:31 +0530
 From: tonyde...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

 
 So also anybody who states (for example) that the holocaust was
 directed mainly against the Portuguese Jews. (They would have been a
 significant number if (the later) Pope John the XXIII had not sought help
 from the Portuguese Ambassador in Istambul to forge their birth
 certificates + passports and send them to the Americas and the Caribbean
 via the sea route)
 
 I think the Pope referred is Pius XII. John XXIII ascended the throne of
 Rome only in October 1968 - a wee bit too late in the day, perhaps, for WWII
 ;-)
 
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Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

2009-07-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

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and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
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--- On Mon, 7/27/09, isouza icso...@sancharnet.in wrote:

The scientific evidence given by me below about
 homosexuality comes from scientific investigation, not from
 religious organization (Catholic News Service).


The above assertion is a falsehood. The prejudiced garbage regarding 
homosexuals in question was copied and pasted from the following religious 
website: 

http://www.catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.asp

This fabricated information does not come from any scientific investigation or 
organization. No genuine scientific evidence was provided for any of the bogus 
assertions made on that website. Scientists and physicians do not make a list 
of illnesses afflicting a segment of our society to condemn its members as 
immoral and criminal.

Cheers,

Santosh


  


Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

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This your-religion-is-more-illogical-than-mine is an unhelpful
approach. It not only leads to I-have-to-prove-myself-right
recriminations, but takes away attention from the main issue at hand.
I am interested in understanding Priolkar and his work, mainly because
it has had such an impact on our lives and our understanding of
ourselves. As in JC's case, when I first came across the book in the
1980s, it made me deeply ashamed about the faith tradition that I came
from.

Of course, each and every religion (and non-religious ideology) has
its flaws. The question is how we cope up with the same, how we sift
the myth from the reality, and whether there are any self-correcting
mechanisms to adapt and make amends. FN

2009/7/27 J. Colaco   jc cola...@gmail.com:
 Between the Christian thumpers, the Hindutva sanghis and the extremist
 Mullahs and Rabiis - we will likely have a Holy tamasha in this world
 while millions are trying to earn a living, and women are trying
 to avoid rape (that is ...until there is a drought and they have
 to dance naked in the fields till the rains arrive). Good job guys! ...

 BTW: the Digmabaras having been noted:

 1: Why (on balance to the naked women drought dance) do we not have
 the Men dancing naked in times of floods till the floods subside?
 (Alfredchacha'a answer noted in advance) (:-) ...
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Re: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Marliz

2009-07-27 Thread Gabe Menezes

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2009/7/27 JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk


 Talking Photo: Marliz

 ref. ongoing topic on goanet


 Marliz (in 2006)
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3754217765/



  joego...@yahoo.co.uk

RESPONSE: My mum ( non dead R.I.P.) had told us to buy a cake for a
birthday, we were told the Jackris was a good place. My cousins from Margao
directed us to Marliz. We bought the cake at Marliz, which was 'Badshala'
(SP?). Poor wifey got told off for not following her advice. Not to be
undeterred, took the cake back to Marliz, who would not refund - we made a
lot of noise and customers took noteperhaps they decided to stay away
after our experience!



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.


Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares

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 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:42:50 -0700
 From: samir_kele...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?


 .ran to Bahamas and changed their citizenships opportunistically.
 
 regards,
 Samir


Samir-bab...

 

Would it erode your charity too dangerously if you reviewed the reasons of these

over-the-oceans marathoners to have been pragmatic?

 

Chacha


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Re: [Goanet] Goa, Coconut Oil and Liberation Make-Believology!

2009-07-27 Thread Gabe Menezes

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2009/7/25 mgov...@sbcglobal.net

RESPONSE: it seems in vain, to fathom out faulty thinking, never mind try to
make one understand!. When Sadaam was around the Christians were happy and
contended, so were a majority of Iraqis. It is with removal of Sadaam that
the whole area has become destabilised. The terrorists surfaced, the Shias
are now threatening all the Sunni Arab World ( who are U.S. allies).

The man does not understand 'causes and effects'. It is because Sadaam is
not around that there is mayhem in Iraq. No one, except a few privileged in
the green belt feel liberated. Who gave the USA the right to promote regime
change?

As an aside, now what was that piece by Barnado about 'importing' pigs from
Jabalpur?



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.


Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread J. Colaco jc

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Dear Santoshbab,

Due to the narrow terms of reference in this part of the discussion
i.e. the basic 'reasonableness' as is 'Wednesbury reasonableness', I
will, with permission, keep your points #2 and 3 (infra) on the
back-burner;

I could be wrong, but at this moment, I do not believe that they have
relevance to the point being made. For  what you and I write about
non-medical matters has (I believe) no significant relevance on our
respective published work in medicine.

Accordingly, I submit that what Priolkar may have written wrt the
Printing Press in India, or perhaps cricket, kabbadi or atya-patya has
no relevance to his work on the Inquisition.

At this moment, while you reflect on your # 4 (infra), I am happy to
rest this matter (albeit temporarily) acknowledging your #1 (infra).

BTW: I take this opportunity to acknowledge Samir Kelekar's post on
this topic. He is a good man, and his post has made the customary
Kelekar logic, which I appreciate very much. After all, I imagine that
he reads widely, puts the material read to the test i.e. Is this
possible? On what basis did the author come to this conclusion? What
materials did the author research?  Are these all the documents?  Are
there un-recorded facts? How can I verify them? Do I accept this
without verification? Does the author attempt to make a reasonably
sound comparative analysis of the matter? If there is a doubt, can I
be dogmatic in my conclusion? How do I solve my dilemma? Is it worth
solving my dilemma? It should be OK, should it not  for a few
un-verified facts to be juxtapositioned along with verifiable facts?
(No No ...Samir was not involved in the infamous and ultimately BOGUS
videoCD) etc etc.

Yep tthe above (and more) is what Samir Kelekar does before he
writes ...surely after much reflection and deliberation; This is
directly opposite of people like me who just 'run our mouths'.


jc


Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com:

[1] I don't know what this means.

[2] Priolkar also wrote a well-researched book on the history of the
printing press in India - a subject that should cause no denunciation
of his status as a historian on ideological grounds.

[3] The question of substantiating the accusations against him with
objective evidence still remains.

[4]  When time permits and when I get a chance I will try to address
with facts whether Priolkar ever stated, without citing any evidence,
that anybody else other than the New Christians and new converts was a
target of the inquisition, as has been claimed.


[Goanet] [ Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Samir Kelekar

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Samir-bab...

 

Would it erode your charity too dangerously if you reviewed the reasons of 
these

over-the-oceans marathoners to have been pragmatic?

Alfredchacha, and how would reviewing the reasons help?
The point is to do something about changing conditions in Goa/India,
and that can't be done by taking up Portuguese or American citizenship!

regards,
Samir






  


Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Mario Goveia

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--- On Sun, 7/26/09, J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The fact that he did not do so clearly leads me to believe that
 Priolkar was a zealot propagandist in the garb of a historian. 

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

I think this is an unfair attack on the Goan historian Priolkar. His book 
received favorable reviews by his historian peers when it was first published. 
They especially pointed out the fact that his analysis was dispassionate, 
objective and restrained. I have already posted excerpts from those reviews in 
one of my previous posts. Here it is: 

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180030.html

Mario adds:

As the only voice of reason, truth and peace on Goanet, I continue to be amazed 
by the grovelling sycophancy by some Catholic Goans as if the Portuguese were 
some kind of altruistic humanitarians that had some natural God-given right to 
colonize Goa, and comical insinuations that the Goan Catholics had some natural 
affinity with their Portuguese masters.

I wonder if this is some kind of residual Stockholm Syndrome.

We have seen the most ridiculous poppycock recently by the usual suspects 
suggesting that Goa's liberation was not a liberation, or that it was illegal 
and one even implausibly complaining that India did not consult Goans to see 
whether they wished to be assimilated into India.  How silly is that?  Then 
they jump to equally uninformed comments about Iraq as if there is any 
similarity other than both were dictatorships, the Iraqi one far more brutal 
and oppressive than the one in Goa, and that the Iraqi sectarian radicals 
started killing each other after their oppressor was removed.  The dictators in 
Goa were comparatively less oppressive but also did not brook any opposition as 
my nationalist family was quick to discover.

The Portuguese also ignored the precedents set by the far more powerful Brits 
and French who had realized 14 years earlier that the age of colonization was 
over.  Instead, the normally slow-minded Portuguese argued smugly that Goa was 
an overseas province, a bizarre concoction if ever there was one.  They could 
have left peacefully and with good will, but no.  They had to defy India, which 
finally had had it with such intransigence.

These Portuguese may have been more congenial and laid back when compared with 
the supercilious Brits with their uber superiority complex, but they were 
self-serving colonial dictators nevertheless, folks, not your blood brothers 
interested in your welfare.  Like all colonists they exploited their colonies 
for their natural resources and as captive markets, while rewarding their local 
sycophants, creating an affluent Goan aristocracy, and encouraging divisions to 
continue like the caste system among the Catholics who were forcibly converted 
in many, if not most, cases.

The Christian Portuguese knew the caste system was not a Christian practice but 
encouraged it nevertheless.  Divide and weaken.

Unlike the earlier conversions in Kerala, they made the Christians change their 
ancestral names, for God's sake.  How Christian is that?

After 1961 it was Goans who frittered away the opportunity to rule themselves 
properly by electing honest politicians and building rational administrative 
systems and sensible building codes protecting Goa's natural beauty and 
ambience and creating a unique state within the filth and corruption of the 
rest of India.

Now the only thing that can be done is to salvage what is possible.  It has 
been done.  The US was a far bigger mess after the Civil War.  But blaming 
migrant laborers and developers and miners is not going to do it.  They are all 
operating within the system, which includes massive bribery and corruption.

If we could make Rajan or Selma or Floriano or Carmen the Supreme Pooh Bah of 
Goa we could fix the mess in a hurry:-))  Since that option is out of the 
question, it all has to start with consistently electing honest politicians in 
every precinct.

Without doing that the rest is just a pipe dream.





[Goanet] UK Goan Festival: Photo of some GoaNetters

2009-07-27 Thread Eddie Fernandes

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The UK Goan Festival took place on Sunday 26 July 2009.  A photo, at the
link below shows some of the GoaNetters present.  They are, in alphabetical
order: Cornel DaCosta, Eddie Fernandes, Herman Carneiro, Lira Fernandes,
Rene Barreto and Selma Carvalho. 


Check the photo at http://www.flickr.com/photos/90182...@n00/3762102894/ and
see how many of them you can identify.  To check you hunches, go back to the
page after Wednesday, 28 July 2009 (GMT). 

Some of the GoaNetters present and not in the photo are Cip Fernandes, Gabe
Menezes and Ignatius Fernandes.

Eddie Fernandes



[Goanet] St Ann's Feast

2009-07-27 Thread Jean Marcos Catao

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With reference to various posts on the above subject, St. Anne was the 
Patroness of our home in Mapuca and so we always celebrated her Novena and 
Feast with pomp.
Two hymns I remember particularly well and reproduce below:


Santa Anna, Nossa Senhora  Saint 
Anne, our Lady
Mae da Mae do nosso Redentor  Mother of the 
Mother of Our Redeemer
Em todos momentos da nossa vida In all moments 
of our life
Valei-nos a Vossa protecao Offer us 
your protection




Santa Anna, Mae de Mae de Deus  (everybody 
sings)
Mae de Deus 
(Solo Bass)     BIS
Rogai, 
Rogai  (everybody
 sings)
Rogai   (Solo
 Bass)   BIS
Rogai a Jesus por nos   (everybody Saint 
Anne, 
Mother of the Mother of GOD
Pray for 
us    
(Both lines twice)
Pray to Jesus for us)




Unfortunately I do not have the necessary musical training to put the tunes to 
requisite notes so Goanetters could sing, if so desired.
When we were children, and our father was home for the fest, his was the Solo 
and his stentorian bass used to make us children laugh, to the dismay and “big 
eyes” of the elders.
In 1985 when we disposed of the Mapuca house, we took with us to S. PAULO the 
more than century old mid-sized statues of S. Anne and S. Joaquim, which we 
brought with us to the USA when we moved here. So we continue to this day the 
old tradition, keeping live the love for Home and our country, GOA
The very large “Oratorio” in which the statues were housed was donated to the 
Historical Institute in Porvorim, being too immense to send to Brazil.


  

[Goanet] World Goa Day Picnic, where Goans celebrate Goan pride together with friends and family.

2009-07-27 Thread rene barreto

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From Felix D' sa in  Quebec 


- Forwarded Message 

From: Felix D'Sa qga2002...@yahoo.com
To: Felix D Sa -g fats...@goencar.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:12:16 AM

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OOO


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Please bring along your picnic baskets, we will provide the fun: games/sports 

and lots of entertainment.  Below are the details for the event:

Date: Saturday, August 15th, 2009. 

Location: Parc Angrignon, Lasalle (located at 3400 Boul. des Trinitaires, off 
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Join us on the picnic grounds near the Angrignon metro station at 10:00AM.  

The Park’s parking fee is $5 for the day (bring along the exact bill or your 
loonies and twonies). 
Looking forward to seeing you all at this potluck style picnic! Bring your 
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This will be our 9th WGD picnic at this park. 
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==
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 = = =

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way (on 20 August), when the Greatest Konkani Song Hits book is
released.

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rene barreto
WORLD GOA DAY - 
A day set a side  to CELEBRATE our Goan Cultural Heritage,
a day to promise to help the less fortunate in our Goan community:
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[Goanet] A. K. Priolkar's Ideological Orientation

2009-07-27 Thread augusto pinto

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Frederick Noronha's article
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179987.html
centres around the question of A. K. Priolkar's ideological
orientation and has kicked up a controversy in Goan Internet circles.

Priolkar's  ideological orientation becomes much more clear when one
reads his  'Goa Re-Discovered' which is a collection of his essays
published in 1967.

In the essay,'Who is a Goan?' he comes up with the ingenuous
suggestion that Catholic Goans should abandon the surnames like Gama
and Albuquerque which were bestowed upon them when they were
converted; and revert to the Hindu names they had before conversion.
Ostensibly this was to acquire a sense of pride in one's Indian
ancestry.

What he desisted from mentioning was that frequently the old Hindu
names were caste based and would reinforce old caste hierarchies based
on caste.  Not that some Catholics were averse to such disclosures;
Priolkar pointed out how especially around Mangalore names like Prabhu
Coelho were common.

His essay 'Hindu - Catholic Integration' while ostensibly about
creating better relations among these major Goan communities takes
great pains in rehearsing every grouse that he could find about Goan
Christians and placed all the burden for fostering better communal
relations on them.

In 'An Appraisal of Govt.'s Policy towards Goa' was a bitter critique
of Nehru's assertion that Goa had a distinct cultural identity. He
argued that Marathi was the language of Goa and that Goa's culture and
Maharashtra's culture was the same. He prepared the strongest
ideological grounds for Goa's merger with Maharashtra that I have
read.

The essay 'The Portuguese Language in India' rehashes the research
Priolkar did in his 'The Printing Press in India' to come to the
conclusion that Goan Catholics should revert to the use of their
mother-tongue - meaning Marathi!!

'Marathi Christian Literature of the 16th  17th Century' and 'Old
Literature in Various Dialects of Marathi' again tries to prove that
Marathi was the language of Goa and Konkani was just a dialect.

While Priolkar may have been a diligent researcher, there is hardly
any doubt to my mind that his research had a definite political edge.
In fact he prepared a partisan agenda for MGP and BJP and other
Hindutva oriented groups which is still used to this day.
-- 


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
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P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350


Re: [Goanet] A. K. Priolkar's Ideological Orientation

2009-07-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

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Augusto's is a moderately substantive analysis of Priolkar's political views 
compared to the flailing twaddle that Frederick has written, except
for the gratuitous smear at the end by inserting the word Hindutva, with which 
Priolkar had nothing to do.

But the main question still remains. Is anybody out there intellectually honest 
enough to place before us facts that Priolkar has misrepresented in his book on 
the Goan inquisition? Or rhetoric and smear is all we can expect from them.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote:
 ..
 While Priolkar may have been a diligent researcher, there
 is hardly
 any doubt to my mind that his research had a definite
 political edge.
 In fact he prepared a partisan agenda for MGP and BJP and
 other
 Hindutva oriented groups which is still used to this day.
 -- 
 


  


[Goanet] For Times article on Swat

2009-07-27 Thread eric pinto

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread Mario Goveia

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:10:00 -0400
From: J. Colaco   jc cola...@gmail.com

However, I stand by my stated position that IF Priolkar has written
about the Inquisition in isolation, he could be no historian - never
mind who acclaims him as one.

Sure, you can tell me about the abuses and harassment Catholics face
especially in the NE of India, but tell me: What have you written, to whom have 
you complained and/or what have you done wrt the Child Abuse scandal that 
rocked  the Church?

Until you do that and are able to examine ALL the facts that
surround events, I have no reason to believe that you are anything
more than mere zealot propagandists. 

Mario observes:

Why is a historical fact a beating stick unless there are people who are 
strenuously trying to deny it?  I don't feel beaten by anything some other 
Christian has done, either in the past or in the present. 

If someone did not write about the child abuse scandals, perhaps because they 
did not have any first hand knowledge or facts, does that make their accounts 
of the harrassment of Catholics in NE India, which they may have experienced or 
witnessed, a myth?

This is the curious point of view that two wrongs make both less-wrong, or more 
understandable.  Thus Sapna Sahani was told not too long ago that we should not 
discuss the Inquisition, unless we also discuss sati, caste, female infanticide 
and bride burnings.

The child abuse scandals were an abomination.  The harrassment of Catholics in 
a secular democracy is an abomination, too.  I think we need to focus on the 
verifiable facts, not who discloses these, what else they have done or what 
their intentions may be.  Others who disagree will present other facts, and 
then everyone has to make up their own mind.

Now we are told that if Priolkar wrote about the Inquisition in isolation he 
cannot be a historian. I wonder if Priolkar was so obtuse that he ignored the 
context in which the Inquisition took place, and what surrounding events would 
justify the horrors of the Inquisition, which violated every one of the most 
basic teachings of Christ?

Some revisionists even argue that the Inquisition eliminated capricious 
religious decisions and so was a good thing?  Yeah, right!





Re: [Goanet] Church vs State

2009-07-27 Thread mgoveia

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:04:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca

As such, Parliament has passed laws recognizing the unions of homo-sexuals.
These unions are called marriages so that there is no ambiguity on the legal 
aspects of their union. 

Mario asks:

If there are laws in Canada legally recognizing the unions of gays, how does 
inappropriately using the word marriage which is the definition of the 
formally committed union of one man and one woman, reduce ambiguity?

In fact, it opens up a can of worms that would include every other permutation 
or combination that humans are capable of devising.

It makes more sense to call committed gay unions what they are, domestic 
partnerships.

Mervyn wrote:

One of the best fans of the the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms 
is a law professor called B. Hussein Obama. His Canadian sister insists that 
Obama will introduce Canadian state values to the USA and rest of the world.

Mario responds:

Wishing the US ill as you do is unlikely to work.  To begin with, the Canadian 
Charter of Rights and Freedoms has devolved into the Canadian Syatem of 
Questionable Social Concepts and Health Care Waiting Lists.

Secondly, the law professor you mention is hardly a paragon of knowledge.  He 
said last year that he had visited 57 states in the US and had one more to go, 
and said this year that the US was one of the largest Muslim countries in the 
world.  To prevent further analysis of this intellectually challenged condition 
he has arranged for his college transcripts at Columbia and Harvard to be 
sealed, while he blithely discloses state secrets on how to glean information 
from suicidal terrorists while keeping them healthy and safe.

Today, after forcing through a stimulus bill that will quadruple the federal 
deficit but is not stimulating the economy or creating jobs, 
he has seen his popularity plummet and has his hands full even getting his pet 
socialist projects completed.  One reason is that Americans are discovering the 
shortcomings of the Canadian systems you say he admires, especially the health 
system, which may be acceptable for the Canadian psyche and mentality but would 
be unacceptable in the US which strives for the best service possible and does 
not tolerate inconvenience and would not tolerate waiting lists while their 
lives are at risk.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/canadian-healthcare-cracking-multiple-months-waiting-list-just-see-doctor

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html








Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

2009-07-27 Thread jose almeida

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Reply to message # 4 to Mr. Santosh Helekar
Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 757


I request you to please go on the site and just read from the Bible - Old 
testament 
Book of 1Samuel Chapter 17 Verse 26.  That's the total message to your heart 
desire. 
It's also said Don't throw the pearls before the pigs, for pigs will only 
trample 
it.
Man, I was thrilled to keep reading your theory of secularized nation India?
How nicely would you portrait this issue if it would be between Hindu and 
Muslim? 
You know very well in practical not even single stone you would identify of 
your 
house.  Is this forecasted secularization you are talking?

Let's clean within own house.  Friends, mostly Christian names identified were 
against the panel.  If you are from catholic background then you are right.  We 
have 
been only good listeners and maintainers of tradition.  And now your opinion is 
asked from uncivilized SECULARIZED country, your nakedness is more transparent 
than 
young N women dancing for RAIN?

We made the Church prostitute and that's what Prophet Ezakel speaks.  We have a 
nature saying it's same faith preached there too and we go to attend.  Here is 
the 
basic essence of prostitute we experience to complain on our own and this taste 
extends us to expose our self regardless of with whom we associate.

Joaquim. 




Re: [Goanet] The inquistion - a beating stick

2009-07-27 Thread Tony de Sa

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Tony de Sa:
I think the Pope referred is Pius XII. John XXIII ascended the throne of
Rome only in October 1968 - a wee bit too late in the day, perhaps, for WWI

Oops! That should have read October 1958. Sorry! Printers devil?

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

2009-07-27 Thread floriano


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I fully agree with Mario's analysis of the Portuguese Colonialists and the 
buttered and breaded Goan aristocracy.
But above all, I hold the Portuguese and the Goan aristrocracy responsible 
for the death blow that has been dealt to  Goa's mai bhas 'Konkani' and 
thereby the Goan identity in general.


And Mario, happy that I am to see my name mentioned, consistently electing 
honest politicians in every precint will fail Goans miserably unless they 
agree to come under a common minimum programme which is written down and 
sealed never to be amended as long as the end results of that programme are 
realised.


mni tkxs

floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?

If we could make Rajan or Selma or Floriano or Carmen the Supreme Pooh Bah 
of Goa we could fix the mess in a hurry:-))  Since that option is out of the 
question, it all has to start with consistently electing honest politicians 
in every precinct.





[Goanet] Corrected link re UK Goan Festival: Photo of some GoaNetters

2009-07-27 Thread Eddie Fernandes

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Sorry Folks.  The correct link is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90182...@n00/3761801033/in/set-7215762173320276
9/


The UK Goan Festival took place on Sunday 26 July 2009.  A photo, at the
link below shows some of the GoaNetters present.  They are, in alphabetical
order: Cornel DaCosta, Eddie Fernandes, Herman Carneiro, Lira Fernandes,
Rene Barreto and Selma Carvalho. 

Check the photo at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90182...@n00/3761801033/in/set-7215762173320276
9/ and see how many of them you can identify.  To check your hunches, go
back to the page after Wednesday, 28 July 2009 (GMT). 

Some of the GoaNetters present and not in the photo are Cip Fernandes, Gabe
Menezes and Ignatius Fernandes.

Eddie Fernandes



[Goanet] For software enthusiasts and developers :)

2009-07-27 Thread Jason Monserrate

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Hello, 

There is a Adobe Devsummit on 4th August at Bangalore

Kindly check http://www.endtoend.in/ete2009/adobe/ devsummit/mailer. html

Thank you



 

















  


[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

2009-07-27 Thread Bosco Dsouza

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How very selective and manipulative can one be!Read Fr Prakashs piece very
carefully again ,Santosh .No need to add your own fundamentalist massala!
Everyone has the right and duty to speak for JUSTICE FOR ALLand TO ALL!
Pope Benedict XVI has done it...Fr Cedric Prakash does it...and Santosh why
don't you learn to do so too???(learn at least from Fr Prakash)
After all, it is the first key ideal in the preamble of our Constitution!
Unless you just dont want to see the Truth or perhaps you are  just seeking
some attention on goanet.WE  certainly do have our share of cry-babies .
Start doing something constructive for the country Santosh,Rajiv Desai(the
Congress lost very badly in Gujarat when you ,according to you,. was its
CHIEF PUBLICIST!!...who is paying you now?)and your ilk,instead of just
whining against others.
cheers,
Bosco
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:20:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Church Vs State
To:  estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list
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It is not surprising that pious partisans would not see the mixing of their
religion with the governance and economic policies of secular countries.
Furthermore, as expected, in this latest round of cherry-picking the most
important concluding paragraph was left out:

QUOTE
With this major Charter, Pope Benedict has truly provided not only the
Christians, but all people of goodwill with a road map for the challenges
ahead.  In his concluding para, he reiterates that as we contemplate the
vast amount of work to be done, we are sustained by our faith that God is
present alongside all those who come together in his name to work for
justice.

The point is, are those in governance actually listening?
UNQUOTE
..Fr. Cedric Prakash

http://humanrightsindia.blogspot.com/

Please read the entire article, and focus on the excerpts provided above and
below. A priest of a particular religion is preaching that governments of
secular countries should listen to his Pope in implementing their economic
policies in opposition to globalization. So our economic future should be
charted in the socialist direction based on this decree of his own religious
head (http://www.newadvent.org/library/caritas-in-veritate.htm), overriding
the secular constitutions and economic policies of our respective nations.

Cheers,

Santosh


[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

2009-07-27 Thread Venantius Pinto

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Come on Dr. Barad, not you--but really who cares. Yet, you are still asking
questions, although you say its tongue in cheek. So, more respect to you
for putting it out in a clear and unabashed manner. Instead of others, allow
me to answer.

Venantius J Pinto(here capped to take full responsibility for what follows):
I for sure do not and for sure do not understand why anyone stemming from an
old way of life stemming in Sanathan Dharma would be bothered about
salvation. I have been cursed enough of being batlela, he batle ghele,
vihirinte pao khavun.. but it never bothered me. Maybe I AM JUST STUPID. Is
it really hard to understand what Pakash SJ says. Does it need to be spelled
out. It is so clear. And again does the salvation bit still bother people.
It should only bother those who believe there is salvation and its
possibility through the Church, and they resent that possibility. Others
should not give a damn  unless one is into dialectics and polemics..

There are enough denominations that are not RC and do not follow the
Vatican. What is it to anyone? Let the Churches fight this battle out.
Whoever benefits will benefit, and it will not be Indian Christians. Is that
not clear? How much more bashing do they deserve.

To your query, : It would be interesting to know who edactly as these
churches, and what is the Vatican doing to counteract this threat.

Seriously what is this? I suggest that people go meet churches that are not
RC and make their own exacting lists. Those churches know where they stand
in terms of their Christology. This way all are happy that they did their
own work and with  their own findings. It is always interesting to know
stuff, but I have always believed in hard work. If I wanted to know anything
or about anybody, I get to work. I believe this is the best way, so ones
rewards are wholly earned by oneself. Those who read this clearly will
realize that all I am talking about is that there are no shortcuts, unless
the intentions are to find stuff to create more questioned and build further
knowledge.

Man freaking salvation?!

venantius j pinto


 From: Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
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 Fr Cedric Prakash

 As per information provided by Venantius Pinto, Fr Cedric Prakash has said:
 In the Catholic case, prior to the Second Vatican Council, the position
 was
 the there is no salvation outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church.
 But now our official position has undergone a major change. Salvation, we
 now believe, is indeed possible outside the Church.

 Does this mean that those who died prior to the Second Vatican Council were
 not saved?

 Of course, this is a tongue in cheek question.  The important point is what
 was the reason for the major change?

 Fr Cedric also said: On the other hand, many right-wing evangelical and
 fundamentalist Protestant churches believe that non-Christians, no matter
 how pious or good, will be doomed to hell.

 It would be interesting to know who edactly as these churches, and what is
 the Vatican doing to counteract this threat.

 Best wishes.

 Dr UG Barad





[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] 18th Sunday of the Year

2009-07-27 Thread Jude Botelho

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02-Aug-2009

Dear Friend,

It has been said that there are many things that we want but few that we really 
need. When people go shopping they see many things that attract their attention 
and sometimes they are tempted to buy what they are drawn to. But we also have 
the experience of realizing that what we thought was good soon looses its 
appeal. We get bored of what we have acquired and look for something new. What 
is it that gives lasting satisfaction? Material possessions can never fulfil 
our deepest need, only God can! Have a reflective weekend discovering your 
deepest need! Fr. Jude

Sunday Reflections: Eighteenth Sunday of the Year ‘Bread of the Lord given to 
eat!’ 2-Aug-2009
Exodus 16: 2- 15;   Ephesians 4: 17-24;   John 6: 24-35;

In today’s first reading we see on the one hand the Israelites grumbling and 
complaining against God because they are missing the flesh post of Egypt, and 
on the other we see God caring for his people and providing for their daily 
needs. The manna and the quails that they received in plenty have become the 
classic example of God’s bountiful blessings showered on his people. Moses 
ordered the people to collect enough for each day and for some to be preserved 
as a memorial of this event. This feeding with quail and manna was not meant to 
merely satisfy their physical hunger but to be a symbol of God’s active love. 
The feeding with manna is, in a sense, part of Israel’s birthright, the result 
of God’s covenant relationship with his people.

The Obstacle in Our Path
In ancient times, a King had a boulder placed on a roadway. Then he hid himself 
and watched to see if anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the king's 
wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by and simply walked around it. Many 
loudly blamed the King for not keeping the roads clear, but none did anything 
about getting the stone out of the way. Then a peasant came along carrying a 
load of vegetables. Upon approaching the boulder, the peasant laid down his 
burden and tried to move the stone to the side of the road. After much pushing 
and straining, he finally succeeded. After the peasant picked up his load of 
vegetables, he noticed a purse lying in the road where the boulder had been. 
The purse contained many gold coins and a note from the King indicating that 
the gold was for the person who removed the boulder from the roadway. The 
peasant learned what many of us never understand! Every obstacle presents an 
opportunity to improve our condition.
Anonymous

In today’s gospel St. John tells us that after the miracle of the 
multiplication of the loaves and the fishes the people came running back to 
Jesus. But they were not looking for Jesus, they just wanted more bread, more 
of the material things that Jesus could offer them. They had seen the sign but 
were blind to its significance. Jesus attempted to explain the significance of 
the sign, and indeed of all that he was doing and saying, but they refused to 
understand. Jesus was ready to offer them food that endures but they preferred 
food that perishes, food that would give them instant but not lasting 
satisfaction. The hearers were dense and refused to accept the spiritual food 
Jesus has to offer them. Instead they ask what miracle can he do comparable to 
the miracle Moses performed in the desert to feed his people. Firstly, Jesus 
points out that it was not Moses who worked the miracle but God; secondly, he 
indicated that the ‘bread from heaven’ was
 only so in a relative sense and it would not last; thirdly, Jesus points out 
that the true bread is the bread from God, which comes down from heaven and 
which gives eternal life. Awe-struck the people cry out ‘Give us that bread 
that lasts forever.’  And Jesus replies, “I am the bread of life.” The reply of 
Jesus causes consternation among his listeners. They do not understand and 
don’t want to accept what Jesus is saying. The full impact of his saying can 
only be found in the context of the Eucharist. Just as the full meaning of the 
Eucharist can only be understood in the acceptance of the full mystery of 
Christ- who he is and what he has done for us.

Father They Just Don’t Believe…..
Grief is the price you pay for love. If you never want to cry at a funeral, 
then don’t ever love anyone. If you have a capacity for love, then you 

Re: [Goanet] A. K. Priolkar's Ideological Orientation

2009-07-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

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2009/7/27 augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com:

 While Priolkar may have been a diligent researcher, there is hardly
 any doubt to my mind that his research had a definite political edge.
 In fact he prepared a partisan agenda for MGP and BJP and other
 Hindutva oriented groups which is still used to this day.

Assuming all that Augusto says is accurate (there is still scope for
doubt and interpretation), we are still left with the original
(unasked, but alluded-to question):

 Does Priolkar's position influence his research
 on the Goa Inquisition? If so, in what direction
 does it skew it, and to what extent if material?

In addition, I am also keen to understand a wider issue: if there has
indeed been a Black Legend [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend]
created about the Goa Inquisition too, as was done for the Spanish,
then who has made use of this over the centuries and to what purpose?

Despite the occasional distracting post, this debate has indeed been
interesting and has thrown up many useful perspectives. At least, I
have found them useful. FN


Re: [Goanet] A. K. Priolkar's Ideological Orientation

2009-07-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

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2009/7/27 Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com:

 But the main question still remains. Is anybody
 out there intellectually honest enough to place
 before us facts that Priolkar has misrepresented
 in his book on the Goan inquisition? Or rhetoric
 and smear is all we can expect from them.

Considering the importance that issues such as this have in
understanding communal relations both in Goa's past and present, I
would think the issue is not just about Priolkar having
misrepresented facts.

To my mind, the issues are:

* Is this is a one-sided, hyped-up portrayal of the Inquisition?
* Does it buy into earlier stereotypes that could have also been
hyped-up and spread by other interested parties involved in colonial
or sectarian politics of the time?
* Has political use been made of Priolkar's work, with or without his
awareness? If so, by whom?
* Has his work been open to misinterpretation, or misinterpreted by others?
* How is this affecting the understanding of communalism and
secularism in today's Goa.

Of course, other issues too could come up in the discussion. FN


[Goanet] WEBLINKS: Videos of the works of Placido D'Souza

2009-07-27 Thread Goanet News

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Below are links to a You Tube Video in two parts featuring his
paintings and autobiographical commentary by Placido D'Souza, retired
Indian ambassador, as well as comments in the French language
following the last exhibit in Belgium in May 2009.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srv4iTiJ_Q

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQXYzy7xvQ

In French.


Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa

2009-07-27 Thread Eddie Fernandes

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From: George Pinto on 21 July
So before you try and get me to answer your diversionary questions why
don't you tell us how many of the transactions you believe are legal and on
what basis considering two factors: the state of illegal real estate
transactions in Goa and the NAVHIND article.

Wake up George and let us have your answers.  Here is something new for you
to chew over!

Foreigner fallout. Herald 26 July 2009

Early bookings of holiday packages to Goa by British tourists are showing a
20 per cent drop over last year. This may well be expected after air fares
and hotel rates have gone up, and the western countries are looking at an
economic slowdown that could well settle into a sustained recession or, even
worse, stagflation. But there's more where that came from. Not only that,
the widespread negative publicity of the Scarlet Keeling case, followed by
Revenue Minister Dayanand Narvekar's move to stop registration of property
transactions involving foreigners has had a massive fallout.

Recently, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) did a series of shows
on the issue, talking to a wide range of foreigners who bought houses,
apartments or started small restaurants in Goa after going through a
perfectly legal process, abiding by all the requirements of the Foreign
Exchange Management Act (FEMA) and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). Now,
hundreds of these perfectly law abiding people are finding that they cannot
sell the properties they bought, owing to a dubious rule enacted by the Goa
government. And, when ministers like Churchill Alemao make baseless but
dramatic statements that properties of foreigners will be 'seized' and
'auctioned', it causes outrage.

What ought to cause even more outrage is the fact that while the cases of
hundreds of law-abiding foreign small property owners have been referred to
the Enforcement Directorate (ED) for investigation, the actual cause for
concern - large properties bought by shadowy individuals illegally - remains
hidden on government files, even after several requests by the ED. This kind
of chicanery shows that the government is not serious about taking on the
mafias of this world. Rather, it seeks to distract the people's attention
from them by flooding the ED with cases that have few, if any, illegalities.

All these issues have also contributed to the general feeling of
disenchantment among those who were Goa's most ardent champions in Britain.
The very people who held out this state as an ideal destination for the
British are now changing their tune, thanks to the way the government has
treated them. Word of mouth, any businessman will tell you, is the most
powerful of promotion and advertisement strategies. If Goa is being
badmouthed in Britain by the very people who earlier sang its praises, it is
bound to have an impact.

It is time that the tourism industry in the state also realised that Goa is
no longer the low-cost destination it used to be. South East Asia - mainly
Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia - offer comparable facilities at much lower
rates. Unless they can gear up to take on the competition, in bad times,
people will always go for the lower-cost destination. In which case, as
things stand now, Goa loses.

===




[Goanet] An Inquisition... over the Inquisition (Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho)

2009-07-27 Thread Goanet News

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho

A debate important to a Goan consciousness shaped by its history, is
that of the Goa Inquisition. Yet, so little is known about this aspect
of our past that when I mentioned the topic to a number of Goans they
were aware of it altogether. The Goa inquisition has at times been
used by fundamentalist groups to create communal discord so it is a
sensitive issue but one that still needs to be investigated; moral
accountability for the past is essential to moving ahead. One
historian who has written a book about the Goa Inquisition is A. K.
Priolkar. Was his work coloured by his own political ideology? Or is
it to be given credence based on its own merit subject to an
acceptable standard of objectivity? Here are some views expressed on
the Goa Inquisition and Priolkar’s credibility.

Frederick Noronha:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179987.html

Santosh Helekar:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180656.html

Augusto Pinto:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180706.html

In keeping with the topic of how communalism can shape our views about
politics and political figures, the motivations of Father Cedric
Prakash have been hotly debated on Goanet:

Rajiv Desai:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180139.html

Frederick Noronha:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180156.html

The topic then evolved into a separation of church and state. Here are
some views expressed in this regards.

Marshall Mendonca:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180456.html

Father Ivo Sousa
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180541.html

And in another instance where the separation of religion and state
becomes blurred, Cecil Pinto ponders on Parrikar’s proposal to ban
liquour bars from being named about Gods.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180444.html

Some breathtaking photographs by JoeGoaUK of the Santana feast:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180632.html

Lino Dourado gives us his Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Tiatrachi Tiketti
Vaddleat, Tiatracheo Dorzo Vhaddoiat.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180617.html

A historical look at Goan emigration by Valmiki Faleiro.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180607.html

Anyone from the South side of the Zuari river will know Marliz, the
little café in Margao which sells possibly the best prawn pattices
(pastry), croquets and cakes. According to Armstrong Vaz and Pandu
Lampioa, it has been sold off and those delectable Goan delights may
be a thing of the past.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180574.html
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180600.html

Selma Carvalho takes a look into 19th century British racism directed at Goans.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180597.html

Soter D’Souza writes an open letter to the CM to uphold the promise of
empowering the panchayats of Goa.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180598.html

Avelino D’Souza sends us an article tellings us why Konkani-speaking
people of Mumbai need to unite.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180567.html

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Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa

2009-07-27 Thread George Pinto

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html



Eddie would like to waste my time with a non-answer to my question below and 
expect me to respond. See his response below. Anyone who believes that 100% 
[of real estate transactions by British nationals in Goa] are legal taking all 
factors into account, till they are proved to be illegal is welcome to do so. 
Notice the cute lawyerly language of are legal taking all factors into 
account, till they are proved to be illegal. The Govt has already identified 
450+ cases they are investigating, some of which involve British nationals. In 
the face of what is known of the illegal cesspool of real estate transactions 
in Goa, Eddie wants me to believe Santa Claus is real for British nationals. 
More power to you Eddie. 

And he forwards a HERALD article which has this amazing line Recently, the 
British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) did a series of shows
on the issue, talking to a wide range of foreigners who bought houses,
apartments or started small restaurants in Goa after going through a
perfectly legal process, abiding by all the requirements of the Foreign
Exchange Management Act (FEMA) and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). So we are 
expected to believe BBC interviews with people who bought the properties and 
accept their claim that the transaction is legal?! What are they expected to 
say I paid a bribe, I violated FEMA and other regulations and I hope the govt. 
investigates me. Gimme me a break. Did BBC interview govt. officials for their 
side of the story? Not that I would give any credence to them either given what 
we know about land use, regularization in Goa, etc.

I have nothing further to add, readers can make my their own mind.

Regards,
George


 From: George Pinto on 21 July
 So before you try and get me to answer your diversionary questions why
 don't you tell us how many of the transactions you believe are legal
 and on what basis considering two factors: the state of illegal real 
 estate transactions in Goa and the NAVHIND article.



Dear George,
I have already made it clear that 100% are legal taking all factors into
account, till they are proved to be illegal. Read the text of the petition
carefully and you will wish to support it too!

Now if you can answer the questions, please, sir!

Thanks

Eddie





[Goanet] Goa news for July 28, 2009

2009-07-27 Thread Goanet News Service

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Pranab assures assistance to Goa - Hindu
nduIn response to a demand from Goa for special status, Mr.
Mukherjee told an interactive session organised by Chief
Minister Digambar Kamat, that his Ministry ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/26/stories/2009072655530800.htmusg=AFQjCNHwKqNoNsliHi2UUzyYcaAcjr2vww

*** Goa to shut offshore casinos - Economic Times
onomic TimesMUMBAI: Five of the six offshore casinos in Goa,
that are operating without proper permits will soon find their
vessels sealed by the state. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET-Cetera/Goa-to-shut-offshore-casinos/articleshow/4827798.cmsusg=AFQjCNEw1valhdP_91nQi2DrT8BDQyANKA

*** Beached ship used as transit point for drugs: Goa
opposition - Sify
alangute-beach-controlled-by-drug-mafia/articleshow/4825922.cmsusg=AFQjCNH9IMWINyHNXKwMOvGJQWNpu12G8Q'Goa's
Calangute beach controlled by drug mafia'
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?a=jh1t5gacgfetitle=Beached_ship_used_as_transit_point_for_drugs%3A_Goa_oppositionusg=AFQjCNE-1Eo-JYxI-lARZisgq85ecFA0PQ

*** Backwater access to Old Goa on cards - Herald Publications
ater-and-land-in-the-same-bus/articleshow/4823964.cmsusg=AFQjCNEz2Bx3Fb52SLZkJKhnb1i6wFx31gOn
water and land in the same bus
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=25097cid=2usg=AFQjCNFVtxKlM3quNuYmrqznfTPs4q3R4Q

*** Fresh tiger pug marks spotted in Goa reserve - Daily News 
Analysis
ily News  AnalysisPug marks of a tigress and a cub have been
spotted for the first time in Mhadei Wildlife Sanctuary in Goa.
Officials of the forest department, ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_fresh-tiger-pug-marks-spotted-in-goa-reserve_1277421usg=AFQjCNGT_FFbNVfDxJ9vwz5YHbNvQnQm2A

*** Get Cozy This Monsoon At Park Hyatt Goa! - Oneindia
he perfect season for you and your partner to celebrate
togetherness in a romantic monsoon getaway. ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://living.oneindia.in/cosmopolitan/cosmo-life/2009/park-hyatt-goa-270709.htmlusg=AFQjCNF0OuwPYM9Yv3EBJyMbHSMeh9Oktw

*** Goa to close all illegal mines - Economic Times
Opposition.htmlusg=AFQjCNHDPrkzRGXjXgns1B-ZZfghl-EhHg20pct
of iron ore export from Goa illegal - Opposition
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Indl-Goods-Svs/Metals-Mining/Goa-to-close-all-illegal-mines/articleshow/4823967.cmsusg=AFQjCNEm1jBjyRhri-PEcAWjKta13FSgQQ

*** Goa Carbon plans 1mn tpa Calcined Petroleum Coke facility -
Moneycontrol.com
neycontrol.comIn the meeting of the Board of Directors of Goa
Carbon Limited held on 17 th July 2009, the Board approved the
formation of a wholly owned subsidiary ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/goa-carbon-plans-1mn-tpa-calcined-petroleum-coke-facility/408216usg=AFQjCNEdrM5Wnh0u7B7HlP_VnWN7LOXplw

*** A whiff of the old \'Mini Goa\' - Daily News  Analysis
ily News  AnalysisSoli Gazder, a local, remembers the time
when Dhobi Talao was the hub for authentic Goan food. This
place was known as the 'Mini Goa'. ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_a-whiff-of-the-old-mini-goa_1277395usg=AFQjCNGTeagruGSPkE4pUoXSYo83vbrIOQ

*** \'Casinos are driving youth to suicide\' - Times of India
mes of IndiaFernandes was supported in her appeal by Cortalim
MLA Mauvin Godinho, who said that Goa should not model its
economy on the lines of Macau. ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Goa/Casinos-are-driving-youth-to-suicide/articleshow/4827684.cmsusg=AFQjCNF1F3hA_WDGN9VLMxy1-IUy0oKpWQ


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php


[Goanet] Talking Photos: Some Goan Pics

2009-07-27 Thread JoeGoaUk

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


 
Nocturnal special: 
 
Miramar Beach Circle at night
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3762301965/sizes/l/
 
 
Where is every body?  Says who?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3763100888/
 
 
‘Ripping off’ Special 
 
 ‘pilots’
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3761374274/
 
re: Tide and time wait for no man so do these…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3761373796/sizes/l/
 
 Green fields specials
 
A pond by the road
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3761377128/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3760576085/sizes/l/
 
 
a road side cross in a remote village
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3760579123/sizes/l/
 
 
a road passing through a green field
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3761379798/sizes/l/


joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa  NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc


  

Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa

2009-07-27 Thread Eddie Fernandes

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Dear George,

In a shameless effort  to avoid answering the questions, as initially
promised, you continue to dig yourself in deeper holes!  Now you ask
 
Did BBC interview govt. officials for their side of the story?

I have previously provided links to the transcripts and audio recordings of
the BBC programmes. Goa Ministers and bureaucrats were interviewed, with
excruciating results.  Do check them out!

Why do you find it impossible to accept my contentions:

1. That the 450+ cases cover a wide spectrum of circumstances and it would
be invidious for any of us (read you or me) to generalise or make any claims
as to the number of guilty or innocent cases.

2. That in law every one is innocent till they are proved guilty .

Unless there is a Mugabe sitting in judgment.  Are you?

Best wishes

Eddie




Re: [Goanet] Church vs State (formerly Fr Cedric Prakash)

2009-07-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html



--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.com wrote:

 A fetus is female for 7 week, something triggers in the
 womb that changes female fetus to male (in crocodiles it is the sun that
 heats the sand, those in the shade are female).
 

This is nonsense. Gender in humans and other mammals is determined by the 
presence or absence of a Y chromosome. What happens is simply the normal course 
of embryonic development determined by the genes in the chromosomes. The 
crocodile is a completely different story.


 (In Hindu Astrology, it is written that if a pregnant woman
 wants a boy to be born she should do puja at 7th week. This is an ancient
 writing, I wonder how they knew this. When I first read this I said it was 
 rubbish. The change of sex at 7th week as we know now is a fairly
 recent 20th Cent. scientific discovery).
 

Hindu astrology is garbage. There is no connection between it and the science 
of biology.

Cheers,

Santosh


  


Re: [Goanet] Church vs State

2009-07-27 Thread Mervyn Lobo

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


isouza wrote:
 ***Bishops and priests are citizens of the country as Dr.Santosh  claims to 
be. They have a constitutional right to express their opinions. Their stand on 
different issues has its own weight. The Church has to protect the family. The 
scientific evidence given by me below about homosexuality comes from scientific 
investigation, not from religious organization (Catholic News Service). 
Dr.Santosh has not refuted it. Let him browse in the Internet and provide us 
better scientific, peer-controlled material...We have to distinguish between 
homosexual orientation and homosexual behaviour. Homosexual activity is morally 
wrong. We have to help the homosexuals with concern so as to use their freedom 
as much as possible for their renewal. We call gay the one who is proud of 
his homosexual tendency. Gays become militant and try to attack the values of 
our culture and militantly intend to corrupt our youth. Unhealthy, immoral, 
abnormal behaviour cannot be
 legalized (given rights). We need rehabilitation of the homosexuals.



Fr. Ivo,
I think the Catholic Church should set the example by first examining its own 
house.

And I am not talking about priests. Bishops and even Archbishops have been 
removed 
from office because of 'alleged' homosexual misconduct. Once the church has 
cleaned 
its house, it will regain its authority to preach to the rest of us on sexual 
misconduct.

Here is a wikipedia link to bring you up to date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholic_priests

Mervyn1650Lobo


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[Goanet] Santana Church - Asia's largest surviving monument, a video clip

2009-07-27 Thread JoeGoaUk

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html



  Santana Church - Asia's largest surviving monument



  A Video

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArTnwkRIBE





   This carving painting is as old as the church

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/3757736476/





  others:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/





  joego...@yahoo.co.uk

  for Goa  NRI related info...
  http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

  For Goan Video Clips
  http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

  In Goa, Dial  1 0 8
  For Hospital, Police, Fire etc


















Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa

2009-07-27 Thread George Pinto

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html



--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Eddie Fernandes ed...@fernandes.u-net.com

 Unless there is a Mugabe sitting in judgment.  Are you?

I did not realize I had won the argument against a learned gentleman like 
Eddie, but when the smears start, I realize the opponent has turned in the 
towel. Nothing further to add.

Regards,
George


[Goanet] Fw: How to Clean a Dirty CD

2009-07-27 Thread Jim Fernandes


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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Wow!!!

Nice and amusing process this!

But who uses CDs these days?

Jim F
New York.

Sent from my iPhone



Jul 24, 2009 How to Clean a Dirty
CDhttp://cutefunzone.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-clean-dirty-cd.html
Do you know how to clean a CD? Every time you keep your CD outside the
pouch, there is a high possibility that the CD could get *dirty,  
smudged or
fingerprinted*. And the problem with most of you is that you want to  
clean

it but you don’t know how to clean it in such a dirty condition.

Cleaning Dirty CDsFor all those who want to clean a *dirty CD* with  
minimum
effort in the cheapest way, follow the process with simple steps  
given below

in order.

  - Find yourself a container (a medium sized one which is good  
enough to

  submerge a disk in it)
  - Squeeze into the container a table spoon of* liquid soap or window
  cleaning solution*. You can also use all-natural cleaning liquid  
made out

  of distilled water.
  - Now pour *clean water* into the container and fill it. Now the  
water
  should become *soapy *once it gets mixed with the cleaning  
solution added

  whatsoever.
  - Now put the* dirty disk* into the container filled with soapy  
water.

  Leave it there for about a minute or two.
  - Now remove the disk from the soapy water container and rinse it
with *running
  warm water*.
  - Repeat the process if the disk is still a bit dirty. In case the
  smudges on the disk are stubborn, you can use a *soft cloth* to  
rub soap

  on those parts.
  - Finally *shake off the excess water* and let the disk to *dry  
naturally

  *. Do not use any artificial blower or hair drier.

Now you have your shiny good as new CD which can be easily run on your
computer and there are less chances of getting data copy errors on  
running



.
.



[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (28Jul09)

2009-07-27 Thread alexyz fernandes

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Yes! The CM is feeling Down...with Goa Screaming Down...Mega Projects, Mining 
Coruption, Sports City, etc. He's Afraid...He May have to Step Down...


To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit:   www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by  www.goasudharop.org





[Goanet] Lawless in the Republic of Anjuna

2009-07-27 Thread Domnic Fernandes

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


It is with a heavy heart that I send out the following opinion, which appeared 
in 
today's Herald.  The article is a matter of shame for Anjunkars but I will not 
shy 
away from it because we are doing our best to eliminate the menace of narcotics 
in 
Anjuna/Goa.


http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=25111cid=14





Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna, Goa
Mob: 9420979201




Re: [Goanet] To draw a line in the water !

2009-07-27 Thread Roland Francis

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training 
and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa 
and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com 
or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458
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Eric, I enjoy your knowledge of Frontier lore.

Roland.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:54 AM, eric pintoericpin...@yahoo.com wrote:
     The North-West Frontier Province includes Peshawar/Rawalpindi, the summer 
 capital of the Afghan king. It was annexed by Britain, and Commissioner 
 Durand would later inform the king that a new line had been 'drawn in the 
 sand.' The king responded with a terse 'your line rests on water.'  Durand 
 had followed in the footsteps of earlier colonists, like Ranjit Singh, who 
 arrived at Kargil in 1810.  Benazir Bhutto will not be the last freebooter 
 in Pashtun-Dogra territory to discover the truth behind the king's 
 promise.  Read about Pakistan's pyrrhic victory in the attachment below.   
 eric.


[Goanet] Drug Abuse On The Rise In Goa

2009-07-27 Thread Freddy Fernandes

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Drug Abuse On The Rise In Goa 

 

 

Going through the news papers of today, I noticed that two of our elite members
of the Assembly crying foul over the rapid growth of drug abuse in North Goa. I
am lost for words as these astute gentlemen having been in politics for more
than a couple of decades, have suddenly realized that drug trade is flourishing
in their very back yard, when I was young I had read about a person called Rip
Wan Winkle, is this his second coming ?  

 

During the 60's and the 70's when hippy culture was blooming, drugs were the
essence of that culture, a lot of iconic figures like singers, actors,
musicians, artists were heavily addicted to this dreadful fantasy fare, as a
result of which the indulgence in drugs became a way of life in Europe and
America and spread into Asia as well. Today with all the awareness and
rehabilitation programmes a lot has changed but a lot more is still left to be
done on the eradication of this highly destructive concourse called substance
abuse.

 

Goa too became a victim of drugs through the hippy culture and it is still
spreading like the angel of death in all directions, so much so that today even
teenagers in schools have become addicts.  Our children are regularly exposed to
the possibility of drug abuse and it is the duty of the parents and the elders
to guard and guide them away from this dreadful predicament that awaits them at
every corner. It is a known fact that the dealers who victimize our kids are
more often than not, protected by the powerful and the rich, who are either
politician or people who use politicians as pawns to get their dirty work done
and the police are the poor dolls in the puppet show, where the strings are
pulled by the corrupt politicians and their masters.  Any illegal activity
cannot survive and thrive without the backing of the politicians and look the
other way policy of the police, police could be init of their own free will or
could be forced to compromise by the politicians. 

 

Substance abuse has reached alarming proportions in Goa and it is the duty of
our Government to curb this menace at the earliest and do so with a firm hand.
Our children are our future and we should protect them at all costs. Let us not
play with the future of our children, parents and elders be vigilant for any
signs and do not be aggressive with children who have become addictive to
substance abuse. I was deeply distressed when an acquaintance told me about his
two nieces who had scored between 80 - 85 % in their SSC exams and now come 12th
standard, they are hardly sober to know where they are, two pretty young girls
with terrific school academic records done in by substance abuse and the
constant fights within the family,  who is responsible and who is to be blamed
and above all how do we tackle this very serious and delicate problem ? 

 

I remember my college days in Bombay during the latter part of the 70's charas
was easily available at most of the stalls around the college and a good number
of students both male and female use to end up in the zombie time zone. I still
remember the tall, lanky, gangling Sanjay Dutt mostly bowled over with hazy eyes
in the college canteen with his high flying friends, I never ever thought he
would survive more than a year, but in him we see what self belief,
determination and love of the family can do, to change the wheels of fortune, a
person awaiting his doom has turned into a legend in Bollywood, though
controversies have been following him where ever he goes. He has shown that no
matter what is said or done, it's one's will power along with family love that
makes you or breaks you. The late Sunil Dutt who was never embarrassed by the
ethics of his wayward son, once said Sanjay was a sick child and he needed all
his love and today we see the result.

 

Let's all ask our Police to use an iron hand to deal with drug traffickers and
suppliers and expose all those involved in the spread of this deadly epidemic,
and let's handle all those children who have become unfortunate victims of
substance abuse with our love and our true concern rather than with our anger
and our scorn. It is generally said that most of the addicts look for happiness
and solace in drugs, may be our love and our genuine concern could help change
their lives.  It's definitely worth a