date:20101202

Guys, If some dominant player or the Empire had won out, it would had
reflected the greatness of things. If a tiny upstart bags it, then it
has to be money or corruption!

It's time Goans worldwide got used to new equations in the global
balance of power.

As friend Patrice Reimens told me [1] on the banks of Lake Victoria at
the scenic Kalangala Island [2] about the rise and fall of nations:
"It's not a belief, it's a fact. Who had heard of the US in the 16th
century."  FN

PS: Talking about beauty, I'm not unduly impressed by beautiful places
on the planet. I think natural beauty is often retained with a high
accompanying level of unfairness in society. Take Goa, for example.

[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet-n...@goanet.org/msg00937.html
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Africa_Uganda_Kalangala_Island_Scenic.jpg

Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490

On 3 December 2010 04:48, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:
> Australia too was in this bid for 2022, and lost
> out along with USA and other four top contenders,
> even though there is no infrastructure and not
> many soccer players there in Qatar at all.
> But there is plenty on Money! Money does
> play a bit part, and so the scandals flourish.
> Nascy Caldeira.

[Goanet] Daily Grook #859

2010-12-02 Thread Francis Rodrigues


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Re: [Goanet] Exploding the myths on Goanet

Goanet has also been "used" by people with an undying faith in a
science-can-do-no-wrong ideology, and their own ideology is tasteless,
colourless and odorless enough to them and therefore  implies a lack
of ideology. Or by those who believe that taunting individuals with a
particular point of view is the best way to diminish "scientific
illiteracy" and take rationalism forward.

The claims made below have more to do with creating straw-men and then
going about demolishing the same with great ease. Naturally.

By simply reducing a lengthier web address to a tiny-url and embedding
Goanet's name in it does not make the debate any more relevant to the
wider issues (including, a critique of corporatised science and its
implications) often discussed on Goanet.

To be fair, I think what has often been argued on Goanet is not what
Helekar claims, but the following:

1. That not everything is necessarily better off in post-colonial
times, and a few things have actually deteriorated for the worse
since.

2. That life expectancies were far lower, on average, in earlier times
(whether colonial or not, including in the non-colonised world), but
some people did live healthier lives then too. Also, the diseases of
affluence, which have since crept in and turned widespread today, were
restricted to a tiny section then.

3. That "scientific progress" and "modern scientific medicine" is not
the only factor to be credited with improving human lives. That even
the "progress" of science and medicine has come accompanied with some
gross errors, the misuse and abuse of science and technology (for
purposes like war, etc) and the like.

4. That there could be alternative routes to healing, which may well
work in some cases, and still is the only or main option for a large
number of people in the planet -- for reasons of economics,
preference, tradition, access, whatever. These can neither be wished
away, nor should people who opt for these be blocked from accessing
the same using the excuses and labels like "ncient superstitions,
faith-based nostrums, religious rituals and paranormal practices".

The Swedish video is an interesting one, but I couldn't help notice
that it talks about the economy -- and not about what Helekar labels
scientific progress or modern scientific medicine.

To bandy issues of economy with science, colonialism with affluence
seems to me to be more ideological thrust rather than a logical,
convincing argument. FN

On 2 December 2010 23:07, Santosh Helekar  wrote:

Goanet has been used by both right wing and left wing ideologues, such
as apologists for colonialism, anti-scientific and anti-establishment
activists, anti-capitalist or communist ideologues, religious
chauvinists, communal propagandists, and promoters of alternative
medicine and other superstitious and New Age practices, to spread the
following myths:

1. That we Indians were better off when we were under colonial occupation.
2. That we lived longer in the olden days.
3. That scientific progress and modern scientific medicine have not
improved our lives.
4. That ancient superstitions, faith-based nostrums, religious rituals
and paranormal practices were better and more effective than modern
scientific procedures.

If you want to visualize how an exquisite 4-min presentation of hard
facts explodes all these bogus myths in one go, please watch the
following video:
http://tinyurl.com/ExplodingGoanetMyths

Re: [Goanet] Targetting the Portuguese Attracts Attention



You must understand:
1). Some of the frontrunners of this so called Hindu-based "patriotic 
citizens" are non Goans and do not have an iota of Goan blood running into 
their veins. This category is just the mob who are feeling bold for being 
unchallenged by true Goans . One of them is Adv. Satish Sonak who is a rank 
outsider.


2) All this tamasha against the Portuguese rule in Goa is just the 'show' to 
justify the gobbling of fat pensions by these so called Freedom Fighters ( 
who are, in Goan parlance known as 'Double Fs)


3) That these same so called Double Fs  secretly pray in the confines of 
their homes that  Portuguese controversy may live forever  for the dole at 
the cost of the Goan tax-payers. In all probability they genuflect and say 
'Namaste' to the Portuguese for keeping them in good stead and for being 
continually employed.


4) Practically all of these Double Fs who are staging the show against the 
Portuguese have an axe to grind. They were behind bars for petty crimes and 
not for displaying their patriotism for Goa or  India.  Those true Freedom 
Fighters (if any alive today) have never accepted the dole.



Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

- Original Message - 
From: "The CSF" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:10 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Targetting the Portuguese Attracts Attention


 FW: From the Desk of...
Joseph Dias, General Secretary, The CSF
Catholic-Christian Secular Forum www.thecsf.org
^Evangelical  ^Ecumenical  ^Interdenominational

Goa Hindu Group Targets Portuguese Rule

Some 400 people rallied in the Goan capital of Panaji to condemn the
Portuguese conquest. A Hindu-based “patriotic citizens” group in Goa has
sought local archbishop’s support to condemn Portuguese, who ruled the
western Indian state for 451 years. It was the 500th anniversary of
Portuguese conquest of Goa. They carried placards and shouted slogans
condemning imperialism. A memorandum from the group urged Archbishop
Felip Neri Ferrao of Goa and Daman to condemn Portuguese rule.

[Goanet] www.archgoadaman.org - feast mass webcast...

2010-12-02 Thread angel

Sr. Jolly of the DCSCM is a doing a fantastic job, she has been webcasting the 
St. Francis Xavier Novenas from Old Goa, The feast mass will also be webcast 
live today at 10.30 AM, as also the other masses at 12.30 PM, 4.00 PM, 5.00 PM 
and 6.00 PM (IST) Log on to www.archgoadaman.org
Orlando

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil

Yes Floriano,
U are only confirming what we already know and what I implied.
Compared to Olive Oil that is at the top of the list of good healthy Oils, then 
Sunflower oil and some blended oils etc.; Coconut Oil is heavy with bad 
Cholesterol and should be used sparingly and avoided if possible. 

Compared to hydrogenated oils, coconut oil is better of course.
Dalda has been found to be the biggest killer amongst Guju's and Parsis who 
were heavy consumers of the stuff.

In Goa people used Coconut Oil and Coconut for anything and everything because 
of the simple fact that it is a staple of Goa like Rice and Fish.
So people had it at home, so to say; therefore it is in widespread use. Not 
necessarily because of the healthy bit; but more for the taste bit. Now modern 
research tells us that Coconut oil is heavy with cholesterol.

Also Coconut vinegar is worse than Oil for health!for the same reason of 
accumulated cholesterol. I now use other wine vinegars for cooking, even then 
very sparingly, just for the 'taste' not for preservation!

If you are worried about the sales of Coconut oils, Vinegar, and Coconut will 
go down; U shouldn't worry! :-) :-) There are always folks who will not give 
up; and U will still have a sizable profit on your hands. :-) :-
This goes to all Coconut Bhatcars!
Best regards.

Nascy.


--- On Fri, 3/12/10, floriano  wrote:
> It looks like Nascy is a qualified
> researcher in cooking oils.
> Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut
> oil  on purely practical basis.
> 
> I have said this before and I am saying it again for the
> benefit of Nascy and others who probaly have faith is the
> hydrogenated cooking oils we have in our supermarkets whose
> shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation process.
> 
> 
> That Hydrogenation process, was again,  invented by a
> German, this time to gas the whole world, not only the
> remainder of Jews.
> :-)
> However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive
> days is the dried copra oil which is heavily oxidized
> already by copra drying. And any heavily oxidized matter is
> bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra
> coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a
> period of time versus immediately say within a week or so.
> 
> Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is
> extracted from fresh coconut and without drying or
> oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil which is
> considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not
> break-up at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot
> withstand high temperatures ex. frying.
> (that is why olive oil is consumed in salads)
> 
> 
> I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am
> supposed to take as long as I live, on daily basis since a
> year and a half.  I found out that my homocysteine
> levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure
> heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am
> lucky to have survived it.
> 
> So, Nascy, there you are.
> I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that
> coconut oil is not all that bad in front of hydrogenated
> oils.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Nascy Caldeira" 
> To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
> 
> 
> Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell
> you from reading and from experience that Coconut Oil is
> full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be avoided if
> possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing.
> Our old people were more healthy internally than we are
> today. Their systems could digest and cope with a lot of the
> bad in food; But today is different; there is pollution and
> comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the
> avoidable.
> 
> Nascimento.
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> > With regard to the post from Con
> > Menezes with the US link, a few stray
> > thoughts and observations:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good
> for
> > health, even for
> > diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in
> the
> > use of coconut oil,
> > They used it for sweets, for making curries and
> double
> > whammy - for frying
> > pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a
> freshly
> > butchered piglet out
> > in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of
> the
> > meat being diced
> > and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to
> the
> > small crowd watching
> > the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes
> now,
> > but no regret for
> > those times either.
> > 
> > No one told all this to the older folk of older times
> who
> > lived, breathed
> > and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the
> local
> > coconut oil. Those
> > in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that
> these
> > f

[Goanet] VASCO'S ... roots , lengthening thread (Santosh)

2010-12-02 Thread Charudatt Prabhudesai








1- 
SANTOSH:
"...transplant this imported Goan bodd from
 the dhonpor to its rightful place."

Santosh bab, I have some questions:

1- If the 'bodd' is Goan, how is it also 'imported'?
2-where is it to be transplanted?
3- Where is it to be transplanted from?
4-what is the present location of the 'bodd'?
5-What or which is the rightful place?

Hya mazhya paach prasnanchi uttarem samadhanpurvak dili nahis tar 
tuzhya boddachi shambhar shakalem hovoon tuzyeach payavar lolloo lagtil.
-Vetal (copied verbatim from Chandamama)
___

2- 
SANTOSH: Charudatt has not copied anything from me. I 
have never 
written the words used by him in any forum in the relation 
to 
Nascimento. I have never interacted with Charudatt privately or 
in any 
other forum. Charudatt will confirm everything I have said above.

CERTIFICATE OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

To whosoever this may concern.

I, Charudatta Ram Prabhudesai, solemnly declare that:

1- I have not copied anything from Dr. Santosh Helekar.

2- I have not written the words used by Dr. Santosh Helekar in the (sic) 
relation to Nascimento, except the word Nascimento and its other declensions
like to Nasciment, for Nascimentation,Nasciferous, Nascious, Nasciated, etc.

3- I have never interacted with Dr. Santosh Helekar privately or in any other 
forum in the new Millenium, with the exception of one brief e-mail soon after 
I chanced upon his e-id on the net, some four years back. The content of that 
brief e-mail was more personal, of the nature of formal niceties only, and had
no reference to any third party including Nascimento.

I hereby certify that the following text is entirely a figment of my 
imagination 
or creative impulse and as such is my own creation. The text is appended below:

Nascimento: Nascy's opinion:

RE: Other words like vituperation,
vitriol, invective, smear, calumny, obloquy etc. etc.etc., 
which may more aptly substitute the word "opinion", in 
your last post. Even Nascy's Blasphemy might have done well,
but 'opinion'? Think again (if you can, that is!).

"Nascy agrees fully and truly."

RE:- Oscar Wilde once said, "Whenever people agree with me 
I always feel I must be wrong." 
Think(if you can, that is!) of those you agree with, for the dread of your 
accord
with them may shut them up for all time to come.

[Goanet] OBITUARY -The hippie who got Goa the globe and

2010-12-02 Thread Bernado Colaco

It is intresting how this twisted tale is portrayed. Eddie jumps from a 
parachute and lands in Goa and shows the world Goan humanity. But no, Eddie was 
probably a guniea pig for the neo colonials who wanted to bloster their 
miserable Foreign funds. Eddie was the beginning for Goa's disaster that has 
landed our motherland into drugs and crime affecting thousands of lives around 
the world.
 
BC
 
 
OBITUARY
The hippie who got Goa the globe
Dielle D'souza | November 27, 2010

"I was never a hippie, " he said at the end of his life of 85 years, much of 
which was spent freewheeling in Anjuna wearing loose-fitting, colourful 
clothes, 

and hanging out at the flea market he started while listening to the Rolling 
Stones and Bob Dylan. Instead, Eight-Finger Eddie described himself as "the 
first freak in Goa", arriving in 1966 never to leave again.

[Goanet] Bessaum ghal Saiba, Sharar Goemchea! Boas Festas! Sam Franshisk Xaviera!

2010-12-02 Thread Silviano Barbosa


Ugddas kedna ieta maka
Dezembrache 3re Vodlea-Goeam,
Sokallchim panchak utton oitalim
Mottorant boisson chickar luttin.

Missachi bhett zatoch,
pursanvak cholon cholon 
Saibacho umanv ghetaleanv
Magnnim ani orasaunvam korun,
Saibakodde urben magtaleanv.

Magir, dhanvon dhanvon feriant vochon
Poilo chouriss-pao tondant ghalateanv
Thond thond tan-laddu ani xerop pivon
Chonnem, ani jelobio-laddu ghevun
Pott bhorun Mandovi polleunk voitaleanv

Feriant zaite soire amig meutale,
Chedde cheddvancheo laineo martale,
Todde goddgoddo kheutale
Ani Kemessant ili St Pauli Girl Cerveza martale.


Uprant porti ti boss/mottor ghevun porte ghara portotale

Tumkam ugddas ieta?

Joe_Goa-ache fottu video polleun Goeam azun titlem boldonk na koshem dista . 
Old Goa assa toshem assa.
Lok mat dusroch ani saddio /kapodd titlim nessona
Punn Fest mat poilim bhashen Forte oita azun porian.

GOA MOJEM OXENCH DOVOR RE GOEMKARA!

[Goanet] Cocconut oil or Olive oil - Hazards of obesity

2010-12-02 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Even minimal obesity is harmful. Obesity is caused by excess consumption of 
calories (from whatever source) over what is burnt as part of ones physical 
activity.

Cause of minimal obesity as per a local physicians:  Affluence and sitting on 
ones 'behind'.

This may explain why in the past people got away with consumption in limited 
amounts (due to lack of affluence) diets considered unhealthy today. Also they 
engaged in a lot of physical work are part of normal living. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/02/obesity-and-being-a-littl_n_790880.html

Any comments on this article please direct to the author.
Regards GL

[Goanet] Goa news for December 3, 2010

2010-12-02 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Goa iffy over film festival venue decision - Tehelka
ear itch may well put an end to Goa's dalliance with the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI). ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHWrgLPBX9TGwu0qrZI4Q5G-CBRMg&url=http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp?filename=Ws021210IFFI.asp

*** Tolly wave on Goan shores - Calcutta Telegraph
ins-Golden-Peacock-after-10-yrs/articleshow/7031938.cms">India
wins Golden Peacock after 10 yrs
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEAlWPva7ImGxIAore_1gNP9DZQYA&url=http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101203/jsp/calcutta/story_13251826.jsp

*** Kotak maintains `Buy` on Sesa Goa - Myiris.com
iris.comKotak Securities has recommended `Buy` on Sesa Goa with
a price target of Rs 332 as against the current market price
(CMP) of Rs 300 in its report dated Dec ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNE27j2wxtDkAnkGqsuZBg1JyWbJLg&url=http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShow.php?fileR=20101202201718200&dir=2010/12/02&secID=livenews

*** Ash's smoking act was necessary: Co-producer - Times of
India
hould-not-award-movies-showing-smoking-ngo_1475182">Govt should
not award movies showing smoking: NGO
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFSt0z0muwSZS7mjTb-eCBS2PUM0g&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Ashs-smoking-act-was-necessary-Co-producer/articleshow/7027705.cms

*** Commerce minister moves to denotify SEZs in Goa - Times of
India
ssues-order-to-denotify-three-Goa-SEZs/43462.html">Centre issues
order to denotify three Goa SEZs
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHyXy3Zlzk31GLmcmR_pSjjWc0Q8A&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Commerce-minister-moves-to-denotify-SEZs-in-Goa/articleshow/7032447.cms

*** Two Goa MPs accuse navy of being anti-Christian - Sify
hristian and are lobbying with Defence Minister AK Antony
against attempts ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGoIVDyrHZOzisxyQAAFNjpRWOGtg&url=http://sify.com/news/two-goa-mps-accuse-navy-of-being-anti-christian-news-national-kmclcbfiejh.html

*** Toll chart drawn up for motorists using NH 4-A - Times of
India
 in Goa. ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHVFPpUVf45RHEravi0nFgvrRRD2A&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Toll-chart-drawn-up-for-motorists-using-NH-4-A/articleshow/7031919.cms

*** New breeding policy to improve dairy production - Times of
India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: The state government has introduced a new
breeding policy for cattle and buffaloes in Goa with the aim of
producing economically viable milch ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGC12HkKmirbGcP1xrDIq-YU_TLXA&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/New-breeding-policy-to-improve-dairy-production/articleshow/7031842.cms

*** 1031cr JICA project limping ahead - Times of India
elayed.` 1031 crore JICA project is progressing, albeit at a
slow pace thanks to bureaucratic red tape. The project, funded
through ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEfwFwnX5tI0g2f2vwYXSo8wG9upQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/1031cr-JICA-project-limping-ahead/articleshow/7031844.cms

*** Septuagenarian alleges harassment by Vishwajit - Times of
India
mes of IndiaAntonio do Rosario, 70, who says he is a heart
patient and has undergone angioplasty, petitioned the high court
of Bombay at Goa that he was unable to enter ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEF0NQslfVblf3XSSp49qK4HAtRGQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Septuagenarian-alleges-harassment-by-Vishwajit/articleshow/7031940.cms


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

Re: [Goanet] Qatar, 2022

Australia too was in this bid for 2022, and lost out along with USA and other 
four top contenders, even though there is no infrastructure and not many soccer 
players there in Qatar at all.

But there is plenty on Money! Money does play a bit part, and so the scandals 
flourish.

Nascy Caldeira.

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Frederick Noronha  wrote:

> From: Frederick Noronha 
> Subject: [Goanet] Qatar, 2022
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
> Received: Friday, 3 December, 2010, 8:04 AM
> 2022 is far away, but Goenkar fans of
> football there should be happy today.
> Any news about the promise of "cool technology" then? FN
> 
> Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
>

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (3Dec10)

2010-12-02 Thread alexyz fernandes


*** Movies at IFFI we'd like to see: VII ***

O Maria What I've Done...I will Undo

Starring D. Kamat ~ Bobby Builder ~ Manikam Miner ~ Maria Lord Drugger 
de Goa ~ T.A. Luck



To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] HAPPY ST. FRANCIS XAVIER'S FEAST.

2010-12-02 Thread Oscar Lobo

 

Dear Goan friends and acquaintances

 

Happy Feast anee cheddo chodvank ditta kiss!

 

Once again I am forwarding to you all, the flyer that I had sent you a
couple of weeks ago..  

 

The mass will be celebrated by Most Rev Peter J. Elliott, Bishop of
Melbourne on Sunday 05 December 2010.

 

I would like one of the two things from all of us.

 

*   Please endeavour your best to come for the Mass.
*   If you want to join us after the mass, please let me know today by
8.00 pm to place us in a position to cater.

 

Regards

 

Oscar C. Lobo

Together we can make a difference.

Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status for Goa *

Not actually.

But it must be remembered that any derailment that will take place of what 
Goans propose will be credited to the 'prostitutes' from outside who are well 
ensconced in the psyche of Goans to the extent that they are feeling GOOD. 

If at all anything should be decided for Goa, it should be by true thoroughbred 
Goans and who have the Goan blood running in their  veins.

Just a caution

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org
  
 
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  From: soter 
  To: goa...@goanet.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status for 
Goa *


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  Floriano wrote:
  Who is 'WE' ??
  Kalanand Mani of Peaceful Society & Co?

  Comment:
  Just supposing it was for argument sake, do you have a problem?

  -Soter

[Goanet] Neil Diamond - "Sweet Caroline" video and lyrics

2010-12-02 Thread Con Menezes

For Music Lovers..Neil Diamond's  "Caroline"
http://www.lyricstube.net/video.php?title=Sweet%20Caroline&artistid=10788&artist=Neil%20Diamond&id=49812

[Goanet] Targetting the Portuguese Attracts Attention

2010-12-02 Thread The CSF


 FW: From the Desk of...
Joseph Dias, General Secretary, The CSF
Catholic-Christian Secular Forum www.thecsf.org
^Evangelical  ^Ecumenical  ^Interdenominational

Goa Hindu Group Targets Portuguese Rule

Some 400 people rallied in the Goan capital of Panaji to condemn the 
Portuguese conquest. A Hindu-based “patriotic citizens” group in Goa has 
sought local archbishop’s support to condemn Portuguese, who ruled the 
western Indian state for 451 years. It was the 500th anniversary of 
Portuguese conquest of Goa. They carried placards and shouted slogans 
condemning imperialism. A memorandum from the group urged Archbishop 
Felip Neri Ferrao of Goa and Daman to condemn Portuguese rule.


“Your support even by way of a simple pressnote or by your august 
presence at the rally will lend much needed boost to our campaign,” the 
memorandum told the prelate. The memorandum says Nov. 25 reminded Goans 
about the beginning of “one of the most brutal and barbaric” periods in 
their history. It was an “era of dictatorship, forced religious 
conversions, slavery, destruction of temples, and exploitation.”


It denounced those who associate with the Portuguese and some 
institutions that try to celebrate the day. The marchers burned an 
effigy of Afonso de Albuquerque, who led the conquest of Goa, and 
resolved to rename all Portuguese road names. The group will also 
campaign for the closure of the Portuguese consulate in the state and 
halt attempts to glorify Portuguese rule through cultural and business 
ties with the small European nation.


Father Francis Caldeira, archdiocesan spokesperson, said although he 
shared “the painful sentiments” about the colonial era, the Church does 
not want to be drawn into the controversy. “While Catholics too suffered 
under the colonial rule, we must reiterate that we do enjoy the fruits 
of freedom and we are proud of being Indians,” he said.

[Goanet] Exploding the myths on Goanet

Goanet has been used by both right wing and left wing ideologues, such as 
apologists for colonialism, anti-scientific and anti-establishment activists, 
anti-capitalist or communist ideologues, religious chauvinists, communal 
propagandists, and promoters of alternative medicine and other superstitious 
and New Age practices, to spread the following myths:

1. That we Indians were better off when we were under colonial occupation.
2. That we lived longer in the olden days.
3. That scientific progress and modern scientific medicine have not improved 
our lives.
4. That ancient superstitions, faith-based nostrums, religious rituals and 
paranormal practices were better and more effective than modern scientific 
procedures.

If you want to visualize how an exquisite 4-min presentation of hard facts 
explodes all these bogus myths in one go, please watch the following video:

http://tinyurl.com/ExplodingGoanetMyths

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] CONGRESS TRYING TO DESTROY HINDU ORGANISATIONS

2010-12-02 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão






On Thu Dec 2 07:33:02 PST 2010 samir umarye; samir.umarye at
gmail.com wrote:<<<… Speaking on the occasion Abhay Vartak of the
Sanatan Prabhat Sanstha told about how the congress government tried all means
to claim their organisation as a terrorist organisation. "The congress
government tried all means to harass the organisation by terming it as a
terrorist organisation and even when the court gave the verdict the government
still continued with their dirty politics" Vartak told "they have failed
in their motives the truth prevailed." He claimed that the government is
trying to destroy all the Hindu organisations and told that if the people want
to save the religion they have to demand Hindu nation. "We need a nation
where all the saints will be respected" Vartak explained. He also came
down heavily on the attitude of the media who are trying to suppress the voice
of Hindu organisation and are always ready to attack them. "When Sanatan
office at Ponda was attacked for

about 20 times in Goa no media voiced against it" Vartak told
"we have all the proof and a CD of the attacked that was done on the
ashram but even the police did not act upon it on the instruction of the
politicians."…>>>

 

RESPONSE : All you fanatics in their own world, realise one thing!

Goans, be they Hindu, Muslims or Catholics; Goans are not fanatics
like you all.

Kashmir fanatic Muslims married Goan girls some years back with
their agenda of starting terrorism in Goa. But they didn’t find any takers.
They were later arrested at Hubli, and confessed that none of the Goan Muslims
were ready to back them in their mission.

You, HJS and Sanatan Sanstha, you do not have any sympathisers here
in Goa; as you have created enough problems for the Hindus in Goa.

I, as a catholic speak because I know what causes pain to my Hindu
brothers. You will never understand what GOA is. 

So Please, stop your non-Goan agenda on Goanet; try your marketing
some other State.




Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.

Re: [Goanet] CONGRESS TRYING TO DESTROY HINDU ORGANISATIONS

2010-12-02 Thread J. Colaco < jc>

[1]  samir umarye  wrote:

 BICHOLIM DEC 2: The Sanatan Sanstha claiming that the Congress
government in the state is all up to destroying the Hindu
organisations asked the people to work towards creating Hindu nation
where all the religions will be respected.

[2]  Santosh Helekar  asked:

 What kind of nonsense is this? How can all religions be respected in
a Hindu nation?


JC comment:

I believe that Santosh Helekar's comment is patently unfair for the
following reasons:

a: Political and quasi-political organizations like the IRA, UDF, SS,
SS2, JDL, PLO, Anjuman et al and the KKK are all known for their
traditional tolerance towards those who belong to another faith or
atheistic group.

b: One can always take political 'promises' to the bank. Goan
politicians have been 'banking' on the basis of those promises. Does
Matanhy Saldanha disagree?

c: For a Catholic like me, it is quite easy to live in a SS or SS2
regime. All I have to do is "swadeshify" my faith, that's all and
practice my Catholic faith according to the principles of Hinduism. No
more Mother Teresa. From now on it will be Tara Mata. And do not even
think of uttering the words Sonia, Benedict or Francis Xavier.

Besides, IFFI was brought to Goa by the horrible pseudo-Secular
Kangress chaps who, to their credit, also produced the very tolerant
VideoCD. Do not know what the hungama was all about.

jc

[Goanet] Vasco and his legacy

2010-12-02 Thread Vasant Baliga

Santosh wrote-
I eat beef and pork. But I like fish sold by fisherwomen who are also looked 
down upon by some of the same foreign Goencar, even though these ladies eat 
beef 
and pork like me. I am sure you have noted that the problem that this Indian is 
facing is how to transplant this imported Goan bodd from the dhonpor to its 
rightful place.

Comment-
Hi Santosh,
Since you eat Beef and Pork-you are now promoted from 100% Bogoos to 50% Bogoos 
by the self styled judges of certification of Goencars.Once you get the God's 
Blessing,you will surely get the Bodd back and will be promoted to zero Bogoos 
and back to being NIZ!
You are on your way Saiba-Good Luck!
Regards
Vasant

Re: [Goanet] VASCO'S FAMILY- Portuguese blood, Indian roots

Santosh,
This is the usual diatribe coming from you; full of distortion and quoting out 
of context. U did not learn English thru 'Wren and martin' looks like.
I could give you debating lessons for Rs 3000/- an hour or $100 an hour. What 
do you prefer. U may also have to pay your airfare!

Better do some self study; that will save you time and money.
Nascimento.


--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Santosh Helekar  wrote:

> From: Santosh Helekar 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] VASCO'S FAMILY- Portuguese blood, Indian roots
> To: "estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
> Received: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 1:35 PM
> Hi Vasant,
> 
> I eat beef and pork. But I like fish sold by fisherwomen
> who are also looked down upon by some of the same foreign
> Goencar, even though these ladies eat beef and pork like me.
> I am sure you have noted that the problem that this Indian
> is facing is how to transplant this imported Goan bodd from
> the dhonpor to its rightful place.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
> P.S. BTW, it is great that you are a regular on Goanet. The
> more sense that is injected into a forum like this by people
> like you, the better it is. Otherwise, it would remain just
> another propaganda forum for cranky marginal ideologies.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/30/10, Vasant Baliga 
> wrote:
> > Hi Santosh,
> > Having unfortunately posted this article and hoping
> that we
> > would see the
> > brighter side of the Goan spirit-I am kind of pained
> at the
> > level of
> > discourse-it appears Santosh Baab-You seem to have a
> > serious problem-you may
> > consider yourself a Niz Goenkar from Chimbel-but Saiba
> do
> > you  eat Beef or
> > Pork?-perhaps  for some you don't qualify as a
> > Goenkar,unless you do-you are in
> > the minds of some "up above" probably a Konknno who
> has
> > been unable to
> > appreciate your missed glorious past as a result of
> > accidental or occidental
> > birth or whatever and needs some enlightenment.It does
> not
> > matter what you do
> > now.
> > So as you look upwards for a Sabaash,you can also look
> Down
> > Under and wonder on
> > what on earth is going on with some of our Goenkars!!
> > What ever happened to the Goenkar slogan Ami Sogglen
> Ek?
> > Dev Sogglen Amka Boren Dis Deum!
> > Best
> > Vasant
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
>

Re: [Goanet] VASCO'S blood, Indian roots...Nascimento

What is written by Nascimento in the material appended below is another blatant 
lie. Charudatt has not copied anything from me. I have never written the words 
used by him in any forum in the relation to Nascimento. I have never interacted 
with Charudatt privately or in any other forum. Charudatt will confirm 
everything I have said above. If anybody challenges Nascimento to prove the 
fact that the following quote of Charudatt is copied from me, he will miserably 
fail to do so.

QUOTE
Nascimento: Nascy's opinion:

RE: Other words like vituperation,
vitriol, invective, smear, calumny, obloquy etc. etc.etc., 
which may more aptly substitute the word "opinion", in 
your last post. Even Nascy's Blasphemy might have done well,
but 'opinion'? Think again (if you can, that is!).
UNQUOTE
..Charudatt Prabhudesai

His failure to do so would prove to everybody the fact that the rant appended 
below is a continuation of fabrication out of thin air.

Cheers,

Santosh 

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:
>
> hey Santosh,
> 
> It is clearly seen that Charudatt has copied what U have
> quoted as from me in your other Forum, where U are getting
> away with murder, I say. This is the way U operate, known
> mischief maker, quoting out of context etc.
> I think U should ask Fr. Ivo for a 'God's Blessing' to get
> Reason back in your life.
> Nascimento.
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Santosh Helekar 
> wrote:
> > This nascimentation appears to be
> > wild fabrication out of thin air. Charudatt's words
> are his
> > own, not mine. He, like Vasant, has rightly sensed
> the
> > problem. As far as debating nascimentality is
> concerned, I
> > will tell Forsu who drinks the right kind of
> bootlegged
> > cheap feni to subscribe to Goanet for that purpose.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Santosh
> >

Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status for Goa

2010-12-02 Thread soter


Floriano wrote:
Who is 'WE' ??
Kalanand Mani of Peaceful Society & Co?

Comment:
Just supposing it was for argument sake, do you have a problem?

-Soter

[Goanet] OBITUARY -The hippie who got Goa the globe and showed the humanity of Goans

2010-12-02 Thread Vasant Baliga

http://www.timescrest.com/society/the-hippie-who-got-goa-the-globe-4123
OBITUARY
The hippie who got Goa the globe
Dielle D'souza | November 27, 2010

"I was never a hippie, " he said at the end of his life of 85 years, much of 
which was spent freewheeling in Anjuna wearing loose-fitting, colourful 
clothes, 
and hanging out at the flea market he started while listening to the Rolling 
Stones and Bob Dylan. Instead, Eight-Finger Eddie described himself as "the 
first freak in Goa", arriving in 1966 never to leave again.



But that didn't stop him from being named "the king of hippies" for his 
carefree, unkempt existence, living day-to-day on Anjuna's then pristine empty 
beach and, at one point, running a soup kitchen for lost travelers. Born 
Yertward Mazamanian to Armenian immigrants to the US in 1915, Eddie claimed to 
have spent his initial years as an obedient "honours student" before veering 
off 
course to live life the way he wanted to. He found himself in Kathmandu, Nepal, 
every monsoon, and for the rest of the year helped put Anjuna on the world's 
hippie trail. 

In some ways, Eddie kicked off a lifestyle that came to be synonymous with 
Goa's 
image around the world, bringing in hundreds of international tourists who 
would 
spend months among the locals. A notice of his death, which appeared in the 
newspapers, claimed he was "a guiding light for travelers" and "the first 
foreigner who settled on south Anjuna beach, which became the last station of 
the hippie trail". 

Oystein Krogsrud, a close friend from Norway, recalled: "More waves of hippies 
kept arriving on Anjuna's shores and Eddie gave them shelter. He was the oldest 
of the hippies, 45 years of age then, while the rest were in their 20s. " 

The young freewheeler and his friends would most often subsist on the 
generosity 
of Goans at the time. They lay their heads on the locals' floors and ate what 
they could afford. In 1969, a close friend of Eddie's found a house in Anjuna, 
now the property of an architect called Malcolm Rodrigues, and they decided to 
leave it open for anyone who cared for a roof above their heads and a meal to 
soothe a hungry stomach. "Whoever wants to can move in, " Eddie once said. "We 
won't ask for money and we won't ask for anyone to work in this house. Those 
who 
wish to contribute may do so. If there's not enough money, I'll provide it. " 
Eddie, who earned the prefix Eight-Finger because he was born with only three 
fingers on his right hand, suggested it was also a common financial situation 
that threw the early hippies together. "In those days, they came overland from 
Europe in camper vans and no one had any money. " His apparent disregard for 
breaking into a sweat to earn a living came long before Goa happened to Eddie. 
He managed to avoid being enlisted in military service during the Second World 
War and was laid off after a short service with the General Electric Company. 
"I 
abhor work, begrudging every moment I've wasted as a wage earner, " he 
confessed 
in his memoirs Eight Finger Eddie: My Rise to Relative Obscurity, which 
documents his experiments with sex, drugs and travel. "My aim in life is to get 
through life doing what I want to do. " 

Even though he was considered the 'king of hippies', Eddie didn't see himself 
as 
one. "Hippies were kind of naive, " he said. "They wanted to change the world. 
I 
see myself as a hipster, a generation even before the beatniks. " Still, the 
locals loved the hippies' strange lifestyle of not doing much, smoking up and 
bartering items at the flea market. Dominic Fernandes, a local writer, said: 
"They were in love with the place and we fell in love with them because of the 
way they lived. At the market, people gave things away or it was free. It was 
like a party. " 

The market that Eddie started later ballooned into a bustling retail space with 
overpriced trinkets and wares with marijuana prints. Anjuna, too, morphed from 
a 
quiet, obscure village with a few homes into a retail centre hanging on to the 
early hippie hangover to sell itself. But Eddie didn't seem to care about the 
change. "Some people say it's not like it used to be, and it's not, " a 
newspaper quoted him saying. "But I like it here now. I like the parties and I 
like the music. It's good to dance to. " 

It's the sort of attraction drawing backpacking visitors to Goa that 
authorities 
are trying to change, hoping to cater to rich, high-end tourists. But Tony 
Almeida, who owns Anjuna's first restaurant, Joe Banana, prefers the 
backpackers. "Unlike charter tourists who stay and eat in starred hotels, the 
hippies gave to the locals, " he said. "Even today, it is the backpackers who 
patronise the villagers and help the locals earn from tourism. We are ever 
grateful to Eddie for what he has done for Goa. " 

Eddie, who relished his vegetarian thali at Joe Banana's every afternoon for 
the 
45 years he spent in Anjuna, was sought out by journalists for stories abo

Re: [Goanet] CONGRESS TRYING TO DESTROY HINDU ORGANISATIONS

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, samir umarye  wrote:
> 
> BICHOLIM DEC 2: The Sanatan Sanstha claiming that the Congress government >in 
> the state is all up to destroying the Hindu organisations asked the >people 
> to work towards creating Hindu nation where all the religions will >be 
> respected.
> 

What kind of nonsense is this? How can all religions be respected in a Hindu 
nation?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] U.S. loses 2022 World Cup bid to Qatar -

2010-12-02 Thread Mauricio Pereira



 


Subject: World Cup bid: U.S. loses 2022 World Cup bid to Qatar - World Cup News 
| FOX Sports on MSN

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/worldcup/story/world-cup-bid-usa-loses-2022-world-cup-bid-to-qatar

Thanks Mauricio Pereira

[Goanet] Qatar, 2022

2022 is far away, but Goenkar fans of football there should be happy today.
Any news about the promise of "cool technology" then? FN

Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490

Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status forGoa


Who is 'WE' ??
Kalanand Mani of Peaceful Society & Co?

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896


- Original Message - 
From: "soter" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status 
forGoa




George wrote:
Can you (time permitting) state what you believe Special Status should 
entail. This will give readers an idea, perhaps a blueprint to consider.


Comment:


If there are sincere, non-political party biased goans who would like to 
discuss the issue and arrive at an understanding we are always open.


-Soter

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil


It looks like Nascy is a qualified researcher in cooking oils.
Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut oil  on purely 
practical basis.


I have said this before and I am saying it again for the benefit of Nascy 
and others who probaly have faith is the hydrogenated cooking oils we have 
in our supermarkets whose shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation 
process.


That the Germans invented the gas chambers (Holocaust) where 6 million Jews 
were gassed by Hitler.

And he would have gassed more if he was not defeated.

That Hydrogenation process, was again,  invented by a German, this time to 
gas the whole world, not only the remainder of Jews.

:-)
TV advertisements show us that one brand of hydrogenated oil is better than 
the other. But these are all killers par excellence.


However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive days is the dried 
copra oil which is heavily oxidized already by copra drying. And any heavily 
oxidized matter is bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra 
coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a period of time 
versus immediately say within a week or so.


Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is extracted from fresh 
coconut and without drying or oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil 
which is considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not break-up 
at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot withstand high temperatures 
ex. frying.

(that is why olive oil is consumed in salads)

Why am I saying this?
Because, I have stopped using anything hydrogenated, even dalda ghee, 
altogether. Instead, I am using (my household) ONLY virgin coconut oil. I 
even sip spoonfuls of it during the day and use it liberally for cooking.


I have been diagnosed ( 2 years back or so)  as having totally clogged 
cardiovascular system  thro' angiography at Apolo, Margao ( they attribute 
this to my earlier long term heavy smoking - 4 packs of 20's a day which I 
have given up  completely since 1984 i.e. 26 years). It is so bad that I 
cannot even go for any sort of by-pass surgery.


I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am supposed to take as long 
as I live, on daily basis since a year and a half.  I found out that my 
homocysteine levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure 
heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am lucky to have 
survived it.


So, Nascy, there you are.
I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that coconut oil is not all 
that bad in front of hydrogenated oils.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj





- Original Message - 
From: "Nascy Caldeira" 

To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil


Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading 
and from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it 
should be avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be 
sparing.
Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems 
could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; 
there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the 
avoidable.


Nascimento.

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis  wrote:

With regard to the post from Con
Menezes with the US link, a few stray
thoughts and observations:



Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for
health, even for
diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.



A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the
use of coconut oil,
They used it for sweets, for making curries and double
whammy - for frying
pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly
butchered piglet out
in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the
meat being diced
and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the
small crowd watching
the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now,
but no regret for
those times either.

No one told all this to the older folk of older times who
lived, breathed
and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local
coconut oil. Those
in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these
folk lived
longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it
was said that the
walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full
from the Borim
bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite
the bad effects
of coconut oil.



Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough
money to buy
olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even
if it is
healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money
means worse
health". And all this without assigning any blame to even
the more expensive
brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par
excellence.
Roland

Toronto

[Goanet] CONGRESS TRYING TO DESTROY HINDU ORGANISATIONS

2010-12-02 Thread samir umarye

-- 
Samir Umarye


BICHOLIM DEC 2: The Sanatan Sanstha claiming that the Congress government in
the state is all up to destroying the Hindu organisations asked the people
to work towards creating Hindu nation where all the religions will be
respected.

The Hindu Janjagruti Samiti had today organised a public meeting at
Shatrapati Shivaji Maidan Bicholim attended by about 1000 people from in and
around Bicholim. The Shiv Sena Goa chief, Ramesh Naik; Abhay Vartak from
Sanatan Prabhat, HJS, Vinay Panwalkar and Ramkrishna Garde were among those
present on the occasion.

Speaking on the occasion Abhay Vartak of the Sanatan Prabhat Sanstha told
about how the congress government tried all means to claim their
organisation as a terrorist organisation. "The congress government tried all
means to harass the organisation by terming it as a terrorist organisation
and even when the court gave the verdict the government still continued with
their dirty politics" Vartak told "they have failed in their motives the
truth prevailed."

He claimed that the government is trying to destroy all the Hindu
organisations and told that if the people want to save the religion they
have to demand Hindu nation. "We need a nation where all the saints will be
respected" Vartak explained. He also came down heavily on the attitude of
the media who are trying to suppress the voice of Hindu organisation and are
always ready to attack them. "When Sanatan office at Ponda was attacked for
about 20 times in Goa no media voiced against it" Vartak told "we have all
the proof and a CD of the attacked that was done on the ashram but even the
police did not act upon it on the instruction of the politicians."

"Even if terrorist activities are taking place in a mosque the government
will not act, they will not act if the cows are illegally slaughtered but
will only target those who speak the truth." he told. He also told that
their organisation is active throughout the world and even foreign people
are getting attracted towards the religion.

The Shiv Sena Goa chief, Ramesh Naik told that Hindu religion always tries
to protect all other religions. "Religion should be in the heart of the
person and it cannot be destroyed by any government." Naik told. He also
came down heavily on the Congress government for their policy towards Hindu
religion.

Vinay Panvalkar of HJS and Ramkrishna Garde also spoke on the occasion.
About 16 resolutions were passed to protect the religion. Demand was also
made to protect all the temples in the state.

Re: [Goanet] Goa's so called Freedom fighters & special status for Goa

2010-12-02 Thread soter


George wrote:
Can you (time permitting) state what you believe Special Status should 
entail. This will give readers an idea, perhaps a blueprint to consider.


Comment:
I think it is for those who keep advocating for special status that need to 
spell out exactly what they mean. I have not raised the bogey of 'Special 
Status'.
In fact there was an initiative taken by us in 2008 to develop an 
understanding about 'Special Status for Goa' . As usual it was immediately 
hijacked by an opportunistic politician. We then had some goans running 
around for signatures to be presented by this politician in Delhi. Who knows 
what happened?
We are not in the habit of imposing our ideas on others. We have a culture 
of developing an understanding through wider consultations. Since goans do 
not have the culture of sittting down to discuss and developing an 
understanding, they run after something that is thrown to them and get 
exploited.
If there are sincere, non-political party biased goans who would like to 
discuss the issue and arrive at an understanding we are always open.


-Soter

Re: [Goanet] Snow, airports, flights...

Cool! So what beef do we have about the environmental impact about the
resource-gobbling, garbage-generating luxury hotels along the coast?

On an even more serious note, the problems that Goa suffers from -- in
terms of information gaps, a dysfunctional transport system (including
to the airport), and overall badly organised systems -- is obviously
extracting a huge price. FN

On 2 December 2010 18:54, Carvalho  wrote:
> FN, I don't have any updates from the airport but I do have an update from
> Mervyn. He sent me an email from the hotel he is being put up at. Apparently 
> he
> loves it and wouldn't mind being delayed for a while longer !! So guess Goa 
> does
> know a thing or two about hospitality and tourism :-)

Re: [Goanet] GOENKAR KHON ANEE GOENKAR KHOI GHELE???

2010-12-02 Thread Oscar Lobo

Because we Goans are different people of India.

  _  

From: lino dourado [mailto:libado23...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 3:57 PM
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!; goa...@goanet.org
Cc: Bosco De Mello; bo...@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOENKAR KHON ANEE GOENKAR KHOI GHELE???

Haka mhonntat niz Goykar: Goycho husko dakoitole, Goychi asmitai
samballtole, Goychi porompora mhukar vortole. Xebas RANENDRA TALAK BAB.
Kurleanchi vagnnuk ghevn aslolea Kristanvank tuvem xikoilem koxe toren
Goychem vhoddponn saballchem poi tem. 

Why is a Goan Pedro always a drunkard, asks filmmaker 

Panaji, Dec 1 A Goan filmmaker will now tap the doors of the archbishop,
asking him to examine the stereotypical portrayal of Catholics in Bollywood
cinema. 

Rajendra Talak, whose film 'O Maria' was screened at the 41st International
Film Festival of India (IFFI) Tuesday, said that a special screening would
be conducted for Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao, a religious leader of the
Roman Catholic community in Goa, complaining about the portrayal of Goans in
Hindi films as vain alcoholics.

'Hindi films keep labelling a character (Pedro) in the movie as boozer and
through that they are labelling all the Goans as drunkards. This is wrong. I
want the archbishop to see this,' Talak said Wednesday. 

'I will be conducting a special screening for the archbishop, press,
politicians, bureaucrats, everyone. Perhaps this is the first time that a
Goan Catholic has been projected properly than as a drunkard like in most
Hindi films,' Talak said. 

Talak's film starring Shernaz Patel, Sulbha Arya and American actor Cory
Goldberg deals with the subject of a sense of decadence seeping in Goa,
afflicted by rampant, uncontrolled in-migration, drug abuse and rampant sale
of land. 

'Why Pedro has to be a drunkard always? And why that Pedro has to be Goan
Pedro only? Aren't there Pedros in other states too?' Talak asked. 

Several Christian groups in the state have in the past dissented against the
manner in which Hindi films had stereotyped the image of a Goan Catholic
home, where women wear short skirts and men are beer, whisky or feni
swilling alcoholics a la 'Bobby'. 

Dear Moderator,

Please publish the following:

-

GOENKAR KON ANEE GOENKAR KHOI GHELE!

Are Goans getting Goa in Goooan?

Who is a Goan, What is a Goan, Why one is a Goan, When is a Goan, Which is a
Goan, Where is a Goan, How come one becomes a Goan?"

Should all Goans be Bamon to avoid going in Gan"?

Best answer will get a prize - COP with FENI

Oscar C. Lobo

Melbourne.

Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil

Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading and 
from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be 
avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing.
Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems 
could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; 
there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the 
avoidable.

Nascimento.

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis  wrote:
> With regard to the post from Con
> Menezes with the US link, a few stray
> thoughts and observations:
> 
>  
> 
> Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for
> health, even for
> diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar.
> 
>  
> 
> A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the
> use of coconut oil,
> They used it for sweets, for making curries and double
> whammy - for frying
> pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly
> butchered piglet out
> in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the
> meat being diced
> and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the
> small crowd watching
> the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now,
> but no regret for
> those times either.
> 
> No one told all this to the older folk of older times who
> lived, breathed
> and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local
> coconut oil. Those
> in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these
> folk lived
> longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it
> was said that the
> walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full
> from the Borim
> bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite
> the bad effects
> of coconut oil.
 
> Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough
> money to buy
> olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even
> if it is
> healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money
> means worse
> health". And all this without assigning any blame to even
> the more expensive
> brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par
> excellence. 
> Roland 
> 
> Toronto
> 

>

[Goanet] Snow, airports, flights...

2010-12-02 Thread Carvalho

FN, I don't have any updates from the airport but I do have an update from 
Mervyn. He sent me an email from the hotel he is being put up at. Apparently he 
loves it and wouldn't mind being delayed for a while longer !! So guess Goa 
does 
know a thing or two about hospitality and tourism :-)

take care,
selma

[Goanet] Snow, airports, flights...

Because of the snow in London, the airports were closed yesterday, and
some flying back home had uncertain moments over whether their flights
would take off or not. Goanetter Wilfred Maciel was around, and
apparently hit by a 24-hour delay. The flight was to have left this
morning (Dec 2) at dawn, but the earlier day's flight had not yet left
London. Any updates on the flights situation, please share it here. FN

PS: Stuck holidayers were accomodated at a hotel in South Goa, but the
local agents for one of the charter companies was quite abrupt and
said it was not their duty to inform guests about such delays. Given
Goa's poor transport facilities to Dabolim airport, one could only
imagine what a hassle this could result in.

Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490

Re: [Goanet] VASCO'S blood, Indian roots...Nascimento

hey Santosh,

It is clearly seen that Charudatt has copied what U have quoted as from me in 
your other Forum, where U are getting away with murder, I say. This is the way 
U operate, known mischief maker, quoting out of context etc.
I think U should ask Fr. Ivo for a 'God's Blessing' to get Reason back in your 
life.
Nascimento.

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Santosh Helekar  wrote:
> This nascimentation appears to be
> wild fabrication out of thin air. Charudatt's words are his
> own, not mine. He, like Vasant, has rightly sensed the
> problem. As far as debating nascimentality is concerned, I
> will tell Forsu who drinks the right kind of bootlegged
> cheap feni to subscribe to Goanet for that purpose.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
>

[Goanet] Song for the day

2010-12-02 Thread Gabe Menezes

This for LilyHi lili, hi lili hi lo - Gene Vincent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBoEgV-OD9E&feature=related

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Don Bosco Sulcorna Rector dismissed for gifting Salesian land to Timblos

2010-12-02 Thread Gabe Menezes

Don Bosco Sulcorna Rector dismissed for gifting Salesian land to Timblos
2010-12-01

It is none other than Don Bosco’s the Salesian order in the limelight. It
has been confirmed that orders have come this week from their headquarters
in Rome to dismiss Rector Fr Lucas Mendonca from the order. Again this scam
deals with the illegal sale of land.

Mendonca was the Rector of the Sulcorna branch of Don Bosco’s. He was
allegedly given power of attorney to handle Don Bosco’s substantial land
holdings there. The Rector decided to “gift” the land to the Timblos for
mining. His superiors complained to their headquarters in Rome and Rome
dismissed him ordering Mendonca to reverse the process and get the land back
to the Salesian Order.

It turns that is not going to happen anytime soon. The Salesians we hear,
approached the Timblos who said that they were willing to return the land
provided the Rs 50 crore they allegedly paid to the priest is returned to
them. The priest is now out of the Order and living in Quepem with his
family.

There are so many elements in this story that shock and awe. That private
forest land is sold by a member of the Church. That it is sold illegally.
That it is sold to a mining company. That it was transferred as a gift to
the Timblos. That the allegations go that Timblos paid Rs 50 crore to the
priest, for which there is no formal record. It is also about 14 kms from
the Netravali wildlife sanctuary, but beyond the mandatory 5 km.

The Salesians have themselves to blame. Why give the rector power of
attorney to sell or gift the land? Secondly one hears this same gentleman
got them into an embarrassing mess at their Odxel property. The unconfirmed
story goes that the Salesians at Odxel were having problems with a mundkar
who refused to leave. Lucas Mendonca in his wisdom, the story continues,
hired the services of a lawyer to remove the mundkar. The result? The lawyer
has built a bungalow for himself on their land and sends goons to threaten
the Salesians. Now, they have to contend with the mundkar, the lawyer and
goons.
*TARGET GOA *contacted Fomento's but Auduth Timblo was out of town and will
be out of town for the next 15 days. An office staff member however said it
may not be Fomento's, it may be another branch of the Timblo family which is
also into mining. We have emailed Auduth Timblo for his clarification on the
matter.

http://www.targetgoa.com/newsd-Don-Bosco-Sulcorna-Rector-dismissed-for-gifting-Salesian-land-to-Timblos-1486
--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Goa Inquisition

Dear George,
U are being sarcastic, only to score points with the gullible. U are doing a 
great job with Goa Shudharop; but i honestly think yuou yourself needs some 
Goan style Sudharop, considering the way you write, often only related with 
Catholics and the Pope. Yet U are working to making Padre Jose Vaz recognised 
as a saint. U mean to say that all other religions and their practices are 
wholly good?

 The way U write; is like questioning why the Zero Meridian should run thru 
Grenwich and not Allahabad or Shanghai. U know the answer; Because the English 
Observatory founded the system. Same way The Church and the Europeans around 
that time dealt with Calenders and time, then. So where does your atheists, 
jains, hindus, muslims etc come in. These were a non entity in those days and 
were hardly known. 

Europe was the world then untill the so called colonials came and passed on 
their learning to others. Is it not so? 

Even the great Indian King who built two 'Jantar Mantars' in Jaipur and Delhi, 
has plaques at the entrance prominently displayed: the king went to Europe, 
learnt  and then added a bit and built these Mantars in India, so his 
countrymen could learn at home, instaed of going abroad. Almost everything 
originated in Europe. :-) :-) 
I will give you marks for sarcasm though!

Nascimento

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, George Pinto  wrote:
> > Gilbert Lawrence wrote...
> 
> > .likely Linschoten knew the Goa Inquisition was a
> paper-tiger;
> > despite what Richard Zimmer and his cohorts say about
> the Goa 
> > Inquisition. 
> 
> 
> Gilbert is right, there was no Goa inquisition. Please do
> not shoot the messenger (moi) for pointing this out but
> Gilbert is correct to imply the Portuguese were the first
> native inhabitants of Goa and Goan Hindus invaded the place.
> The first thing they did was build temples on existing
> churches. 
> 
> Subsequently, Catholics "architecturally modified" the
> temples by constructing churches over temples but this was
> purely for aesthetic reasons. I mean, who can be against a
> little aesthetic change, like the Afghan Taliban did to
> Buddhist statues a few years ago.
> 
> The only incident we have on record regarding the Goa
> Inquisition is one Catholic stole some milk sometime between
> Oct 4 to Oct 14, 1582 but Pope Gregory XIII changed the
> Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar to remove those 10
> days and wipe out the Goa inquisition. 
> 
> Of course atheist medical doctors paid by BIG Pharma drug
> companies have said that the Pope changed the calendar to
> bring it back in line with the solstices. We know how
> deceptive scientists can be, especially when some 
> blamed Catholics for irregularities in the Vatican Bank
> about 35 years ago, when everyone knows that Parsis, Jews,
> Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and
> Martians were responsible. Can you imagine blaming Catholics
> for the Vatican Bank troubles!
> 
> I hope everyone thanks Gilbert for his defense of
> Catholics. 
> 
> George
>

Re: [Goanet] Story of a “fake” Freedom Fighter



And the conscience pricking  fake Freedom Fighter is ... NAGUESH 
KARMALI
I have always wanted to know the reasons for his being in jail before the so 
called liberation which was NOT.


And his long haired side-kick who is already polluted through sacred vows 
and infinitely seeking 'cleansing'  is  .the internet scientist 
named NAND KUMAR KAMAT.


It is funny that this particular side-kick of Naguesh Karmali  instead of 
purifying  his 'home well'  sought  to  purify the Arabian Sea.

:-)

Wilmix, did you think this was a difficult puzzle for a thoroughbred GOAN to 
unravel?
However, you have done well and we already see your next block-buster tiatr 
in the making.


Let this fake FF (fr**  fu**)  take on the 'Tiatr Academy' as his next 
project before getting stoned.



Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896


- Original Message - 
From: "Wilson Wilmix" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Story of a “fake” Freedom Fighter


Story of a “fake” Freedom Fighter.

There once was a “fake” Freedom Fighter.

During the time of Goa’s Freedom Movement , he did something very
‘silly’ , and was sent to prison for a few days , but it being the
Freedom Movement time, by a strange coincidence, his “silliness” was
wrongly interpreted as ‘patriotism’ and was declared as a Freedom
Fighter of Goa.

Quite a few other Freedom Fighters of Goa , knew that this guy was a
“fake” , but no one reported the matter to the authorities , probably
because they themselves also had something to hide.

Now, we all know that humans have a “conscience”.

This “fake” Freedom Fighter also had a conscience and his conscience
started biting him , for falsely registering himself as a Freedom Fighter.

But what could he do now ?

He had already taken advantage of all the Government Schemes for Freedom
Fighters .

His family had already benefitted from the various concessions given by
the Government to Freedom Fighters. He was regularly collecting the fat
purse of “Freedom Fighter’s Pension”.

How could he and his family , now, live without these “comforts” ?

But a “conscience” is conscience, and it is the job of every conscience,
to question its owner for his wrongs. This man’s conscience too, went
about it’s job.

He hated his conscience for that. However, it is just not possible to
totally avoid the constant prickings of a conscience , for long.

“May be “ he said to himself , “if I spoke against anything and
everything that is Portuguese, my conscience will stop bothering me”.

Now , the entire Christian community of Goa had Portuguese names and
Portuguese surnames . He decided that he should demand , that all Goans
with Portuguese names should change their names to something Indian.

No one in Goa liked his “demand”. Who would ?

The “move” made him very unpopular among the Christians.

He realized his mistake. So he changed his strategy.

He demanded that Goans must change all “sign-boards’ of Roads and
Institutions bearing Portuguese names.

Here too, many of the Portuguese names on “sign-bords”, were of leaders
that did good for Goa.

People started criticising him for this “move” also. He became all the
more unpopular.

So he changed his strategy once again and said, “ Ok , only sign-boards
bearing names of the representatives of the Colonial Portuguese regime,
should be changed ”.

This “move” of his was, to some extent, acceptable to the people . He
was happy.

But that was not enough for Goans to think well of him as a “Freedom
Fighter’.

He needed to do something more.

He came up with a bright idea. He thought “ the Konkani Language is
written by the Christian community in the Roman Script, and the Roman
script was brought to Goa by the Portuguese”, so he should oppose it.

This he did.

Fortunately for him , he found supporters for this “move”, from among
the few silent Marathi sympathizers who were looking out for an
opportunity to kill Konkani and establish Marathi as the Official
language of Goa. He became very popular among them and they made full
use of him to promote their “cause”.

At last , now , he was tasting “success”.

But the Goans who “smelt a rat” in this move, started disliking him.

His close friends thought of him as a “Judas” who sold their Mother
Tongue Konkani to the Marathi Lobby.

He was all confused. He did not understand where he was going wrong.
Goans started doubting him all the more now.

What more could he do ? Time was running out.

Just when he thought that there were no more issues left for him to take
up, a news item appeared in the Goan newspapers “The Portuguese ship
N.R.P.Sagres was sailing to Goa to mark 500 years of the arrival of
navigator, Vasco da Gama to Goa, and the Governor of Goa and the Chief
Minister were both going to attend a celebration dinner on that Ship “.

He jumped with joy and said to himself , aloud . “here is my opportunity
now, to prove that I am a real freedom fighter”.

So he collected a few of his cronies f

[Goanet] Is the Goan ladin the same as the American Thanksgiving?

Hello Goanetters,

  The Goan Ladainha is a 'Start of Celebration' for almost anything   

  Gayatri Sankar is completely wrong.
  These people are just trying their art of lying to the
  gullible and thereby becoming known.

  The Ladainha is the portuguese name of the Litany in
  English. This is a solemn prayer, albeit a longish one, and
  can be recited or sung.
  Normally sung or recited after a long Roasary prayer
  session. It has been and still is a very 'popular form of
  prayer' and is Sung with great pomp and gusto at the time of
  celebrations, mostly in the Home.

  I have seen and heard this Ladainha sung in 'voices' and
  most often accompanied by violin playing. (No Gumot!) When I
  lived in Goa, I often used to gate crash (if not invited)
  these celebrations with the ladainha Singing; of course with
  the promise of the good old 'cuppacho' at the end of the
  prayer service. Even kids used to look forward to having a
  sip at Muscatel!

  Nostalgia indeed!
  Even more lovely is the Funeral song "mai thaim vetam!"
  literally meaning: "going to mother"; this is such a
  beautiful song at funerals, it has always brought tears of
  joy to me!

  You see, we have learnt 'to respect the dead' from the
  Portuguese and British influence; giving 'our Dead' a solemn
  farewell! Another great Goan custom. 

  Viva Goa! Viva Goan Lifestyle! > Nascimento Caldeira.
 -
> --- On Wed, 1/12/10, Carvalho 
> wrote:
> 
> > Last week I learnt that the Goans in
> > the Uk were housekeepers. This week, I am 
> > learning that the American Thanksgiving is celebrated
> in
> > Goa as the Ladin. 
> > 
> > Writes Gayatri Sankar "Indian’s lifestyle and
> culture
> > have had a great influence 
> > from the West and Thanksgiving Day is one such custom
> which
> > is quite popular. 
> > The state of Goa, which has a thick population of
> > Christians, celebrates the 
> > festival with great pomp and show. The Goans have
> named the
> > day as ‘Ladin’ or 
> > ‘Ladainha’. ‘Ladin’ means a litany to the
> Virgin
> > Mary. "
> >  
> > 
> > http://spicezee.zeenews.com/articles/story76094.htm
>   
> > Am I crazy or is this just plain wrong?
> >  
> > Best,
> > Selma
>  
> 
> 
> 
>

[Goanet] Talking Photos: IFFI Pics - Bangdde, Cafreal, Biryani, Bands etc

2010-12-02 Thread JoeGoaUk

Talking Photos: IFFI Pics - Bangdde, Cafreal, Biryani, Bands etc

At Kingfisher Village
Rechad Bangdde price gone up by 10
Now, Rs.30 each
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5223196124/

This chiken cafreal is too expensive
Rs.120
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5223195450/

So do this Chicken Biryani
Rs.100 (other place at IFFI food court it’s Rs.60)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5223195450/

Did you know?
This HEINEKEN is also part of Kingfisher
330ml Cans going for Rs.120 (imported) but no takers
 Kingfisher Cans 330ml sold for Rs.40 only
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225329725/
 
Band PURE MAGIC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225923558/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225923972/

Band BROTHERS IN ARMS
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225329147/
 
elsewhere, Tandoori Chicken Full Rs.200 half 100
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225328341/
 
This biryani Rs.60 only
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225328797/
Toppings are the shiss kebabs (Rs.60)
 
At Maquinez palace at night
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukiffi/5225460257/sizes/l/
 
joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Trivialising a debate? Was: Re: Goa Inquisition