[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Mhargai mhunn kitli? Hat pavona titli
Mhargai Mhunn Kitli? Hat Pavona Titli! Jevnna-khannacheo vostu zai mhunn, sodanchea hyper market-an bhitor sorlom. Shopping list-ar nodor marli ani poilo, kando vo pião aslea zagear ghelom. Kandeanchi novi dor pollevn kando katorchea adinch mhojea dolleant dukham futtlim. Gelea sumanan 0.295 Kuwaiti fils asle te kande, poirchea disa 115 filsamni vhadday zali. Mhonnchem, 0.410 fils kilo kando zalo. Jevonn-khannank ruch haddtoli dusri gorjechi vost mhonllear, ttomattam. Ttomattachi dor 0.695 filsancher tenkloli asa ani mhojea oslea salad khatoleanche borech bhognnar zatole, hatunt matui dubhav na. Punn ek chotray dovorchi tumi. Hea disamni, tuka konnagherui jevnnank amontronn aslear ani jevnnachea mezar salad dislem na zalear, tunvem somzuchem. Ho mhargayecho chimtto, tuka jevnnank apoitoleank laglo mhunn. Mhojea hodd’dean hea disamni ekdam thonddi bhorlolean, konn eklean mhaka ‘reseit’ dilolem. Thoddoso limbu ros ghalun, kando-ttomatt salad khanvchem mhunn. Punn asum atam! Kande ani ttomattanchi dor pollevn, hodd’deantli thonddi porian churchurli. Bori zali kai? Zatli kosi? Bhitorlea hodd’dean ghur-ghur zatale thonddecho avaz mhojea kanar poddot astona, bhajipallo mellta tea zagear hanv ghelom. Thoimsor vaingem, ghosallem, tenddlem, duddi, kobi ani her sabar torkari apleak zai tosi dor nhessun, giraykak polletalim. Zonovorancher ek-ek torechem duens ail'lean, zoxe porim bird-flu, cow-flu, swine-flu atam choddxea lokan torkarek veng marlea. Dekhunuch bhajipallecho bhau choddla. Mhargai zalea mhunn torkari khavpachi soddop? Thoddixim tenddlim vortolom mhunn lagsar ghelear ak’koch zago, eke modlea pirayeche ostoren ani eke tornnate cholyen haddaun dovorla. “Zhunn bhendde go”, modlea pirayeche bailen, hatant bhendde gheit ani tanche pontam modit bhendde topastali. Ani laginch aslolea eka ghosalleak nakhxeo topun, sangatak aslolea tornnatti cholien mhonllem “Tajim asat him ghosallim. Ghevum?” Dhor-ek giraykaran bhenddeanchim pontam thoddop, dusre torkarik nakhutt lauvun pollenv ghevop, hem tor bholaykeche nodren ekdom vait zaun asa. Konn zanna konnancheo nakhxeo odik korun, dhavea bottanchea nakhuttamni koslo chikoll bhorun asa to? Bore toren topasni korun ek-ek tenddlem kaddun hanv pottean ghaltana tea tornnatte choliyen modle pirayeche ostorek vicharlem. “Tunvem hea pavtti fokot 2 kilo kando ghetla. Orxim tin-char kilancho sakh vortalem nhoi go.” “Kando khoim pavla to pollevnk nam tunvem?” “Khoimsorui tachi dor pavum. Amchea ruchik pratamni nastona zata? Kande ani ttomattam vinem jivit koslem zata aslem kai? Hem hanv kedev meren chintalim” “Amgeleak, ratchea vellar subeij kando aslolim saladam avoddtat. Mhagelea jevonn-khannank upeog zata tache poros kando, amgeleachea saladamni odik kando koptta.” “Kando khanvchi sonvoym ekdom bori. Kandean vokdit gunn (medicinal value) asat. Thonddi, konklli, domachem (asthma) hea duesank kando boreak poddta. Ttomatt, popis kankr (lung cancer) zanvchem nivarta. Hea khatir, amcho lok choddan chodd heo vostu vapuddtolean, amchim jevnnam bholayke vatten pustik (nutritious) zatat.” “Hoi go baye. Hanv tujem manddun ghetam. Punn osli mhargay, duddu asloleank purian fugar korta zalear, amchea oslea pagaracher tharloleank kitli sotaytoli?” “Dekhunuch tunvem hea pavtti kando fokot donuch kilo ghetla?” “Kitem korchem? Jevonn-khanant thoddoso kando ghalun, samballunk zata. Punn amgeleak, tachea saladamni kando unno korunk zainam. Ani toxem kelear mhaka mellta to sullsullit ‘alment’ mellchona” “ ‘Alment’ mhonnchem kitem?” “Tujem shopping zalem zalear kountoraxim vochum-ia. Kando kitlo meren bholaykek boreak poddta to, tunvem mhaka nigtench iskutaun sanglam. Dusre votten, kandeyacho faido koso zhoddunk zai, tem mat tujea osle ankvar choliyeank somzupak vell lagtolo” Lino B. Dourado
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Allow me - the correct title is 'Os momentos do meu passado'. Off-topic, Mr. Fernando de Noronha describes experiences with the Portuguese soldiery and the India soldiery with respect to the breakdown of his vehicle, an Opel Rekord. To cut a long story short (and from memory), in the former instance, when his vehicle came to a halt on the road, a passing miltary vehicle carrying Portuguese soldiers went out of their way not only to diagnose the problem (no fuel in tank), but also to turn around back to Panjim and procure a can of the needful. On the other hand, when his vehicle did the same at Bambolim post-61, the Indian soldiery just told him "this is not a petrol station" or words to that effect. - Original Message > From: Paulo Colaco Dias > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > Sent: Sat, 11 December, 2010 9:40:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro > > Fernando de Noronha - O melhor do meu passado - Terceiro Milenio. Available > for sale in Goa. > > Best regards > Paulo Dias > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org > [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro > Sent: 11 December 2010 06:29 > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! > Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro > > Dear Paulo, > I do not know how much you really know about India pre-1961, or about > conditions in Goa during that period. I was born in Goa in 1925, and grew up > in > Goa, leaving for Goa in mid-1939. Goa was not the paradise some people claim > it > was. I was a student at Mater Dei at the time and I remember that one young > man, > a friend of my brother's, foolishly shouted "Viva Goa" in Mapusa. For that > he > was arrested, beaten, and had his head shaved. Punished for shouting Viva > Goa in > Goa itself? > I lived in Bombay from 1939 to mid-1956 and never felt that India was > not a > democracy. For several of those years I was with the newspapers, holding key > > > > From: Paulo Colaco Dias > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 9:20:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro > > Thank you Gabriel, those are excellent points for discussion. It would be > really > nice if we could get the entire episodes regarding Roldao and the > difficulties > of the Goans in Bombay who were even forced to change their names to succeed > in > life and to erase their similarities with Portuguese names. > It shows what kind of Democratic country the Indian Union was in the post > 1947 - > 1970 years... > > And then some of us claim that India got democracy much before Goa, that it > was > good, that there was freedom of speech, etc, etc. Yeah. Right! All in paper, > of > course. > > There is no full freedom of speech in India even today. > There are publications and books that are still banned in India today and > you > can get arrested if caught with a banned book. > There are politicians in Goa being arrested and people prevented from > exercising > their rights to do public demonstrations, etc. > > That is the democracy in India today. And it is much better today. In the > first > few years after 1961, it was exactly the same as during Portuguese times, or > > worse. Goa even had a one entire year of Martial Law post 1961. > > What an excellent way of welcoming Goa into the motherland. > > Best regards > Paulo. > > -Original Message- > From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org > [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] > On Behalf Of Gabriel de Figueiredo > Sent: 09 December 2010 07:03 > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! > Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro > > I hope you can also give a blow-by-blow account of how Roldao was beaten up > by > the Bombay police and the method of his escape from Bombay to Goa, with his > family. > > > Perhaps you could also read about how Goans in Bombay, who resisted the > Indian > moves to change their attitude towards the Portuguese, were treated, e.g. > editors of some prominent Goan publications. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3306 - Release Date: 12/10/10 > 19:35:00 > >
Re: [Goanet] The Goan Catholic Casualty
Arwin wrote: "I will address issues in my Catholic community. "Goan Catholics must realize that the first clear casualty of Goan Identity will be Catholics themselves" and surely in the long run, it will be all Goans, including the Hindus & Muslims. We Catholics, will have only ourselves to blame and in my view, are significantly responsible for Goa's deteriorating identity, via the following facts: (A) Short term Gains in land sales to outsiders; many times unnecessary,..." Comment: This type of argument about catholics being the worst sufferers with migration and therefore they have to break away from supporting Digmabar Kamat's Congress has been doing the rounds for quite some time now. Its influence seems to have also slipped into the arguments of Arwin. Is the plight of the goan Hindu of Ponda and Bicholim or Porvorim any better? I cannot understand why we get into this argument of which religious community will be the losers and winners. Some two years ago Dr. Subodh in a local TV debate had accused the church of fuelling the anti-mega project agitations in Salcette because it is losing its base. The same doctor will also provoke christians against migrants when it is in the interests of BJP. Is this problem of catholics selling land so simple as it is made out to be? What about the problem of Tiracol where the Hindu Bhatkar has sold almost half of the village to real estate? What about the problem of Vanxim? Arwin further wrote: "In Politics, we Catholics are slaves to deceitful "Secular Parties" and vote for "Catholics" irrespective of how much his/her image is tarnished? Many of our Catholic religious leaders blindly call to vote "Secular Parties"; are they really secular or are they "wolves in sheep's clothing" under the deceitful garb of secularism? " Comment: Here again arguments are contaminated with the hepatitis virus. Is it only catholics that vote 'secular parties'? Only catholic leaders call to vote for 'secular parties'? Are there no Hindu MLAs and MPs in Goa who are winning due to catholic votes? Why make such sweeping statements and feed catholics to the wolves in sheep's clothing? This porridge that is being fed to us goans seems to be contaminated. Issues are mixed dangerously. Anyhow I would not like to waste my time discussing issues which ought to have been a mattter of common sense. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
On Fri Dec 10 22:29:16 PST 2010, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangelrib at yahoo.com wrote: <<<…I do not know how much you really know about India pre-1961, or about conditions in Goa during that period. I was born in Goa in 1925, and grew up in Goa, leaving for Goa in mid-1939. Goa was not the paradise some people claim it was. I was a student at Mater Dei at the time and I remember that one young man, a friend of my brother's, foolishly shouted "Viva Goa" in Mapusa. For that he was arrested, beaten, and had his head shaved. Punished for shouting Viva Goa in Goa itself? >>> COMMENT : With due respect to your age Mr. Rangel Ribeiro, I would like to clarify your issue what evaded clarification for the past so many decades. Goa during the Portuguese regime was known as ‘Estado da India Portuguesa’ and for your brother’s friend to shout “Viva Goa” was definitely provocative. Why did he not shout “Viva Mapuça”? And why according to you have termed it ‘foolish’? I will give you another example from your perspective. If someone in Kashmir shouts “Viva Kashmir”, will the Indian troops or police join him in chorus or will he also meet the same fate or worse? Kashmir is being fomented by Pakistan, and Pakistani citizens are using firearms and explosives in a bid to annex Kashmir but camouflaged as Independence to Kashmir. It is the same situation that was in Goa; only difference is in Kasmir more modern equipment is being used. Why sedition cases are being sought against a couple of people who wrote or spoke in praise of Kashmir? As for censorship of the press you talk, have you tried writing on Kashmir newspapers? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] Communal Kangress exposed by Wikileaks
To Goanet - Let's blame Hindus for Islamic terrorism of 11/26, says KKKangress. "Post 26/11, a section of the Congress leadership was seen playing religious politics after one of its leaders, A R Antulay, implied that Hindutva forces may have been involved in the Mumbai terror attacks, according to a confidential memo by the then US ambassador to India, David Mulford, released by WikiLeaks. "The Congress Party, after first distancing itself from the comments (of Antulay, the then minority affairs minister), two days later issued a contradictory statement which implicitly endorsed the conspiracy. During this time, Antulay's completely unsubstantiated claims gained support in... Indian-Muslim community," Mulford wrote in his secret cable to the State Department on December 23, 2008." http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-wikileaks-cong-played-religious-politics-post-2611/20101211.htm ps: The cables can be read here - http://cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=08NEWDELHI3228&hl=%3Anewest Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
I completely agree with you Marshall. And hope that Frederick or Augusto or JoeGoaUK take the baton. Although I did from time to time read that the freedom fighters wish they would not have done what they did if they could foresee the Goa or today, I and many readers would welcome what a respected professor and freedom fighter would actually have to say. Where is James Fernandes today? Cheers, Roland. -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Mendonza Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:59 AM To: goanet Subject: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro It would be of immense benefit to all of us if Frederick or Augusto or anyone else could interview him and get his views and perspective on life and state of affairs during Portuguese rule and today and tell us where we have failed or succeeded.
[Goanet] Science-Religion Dialogue
From: "joaquim Ferrao" victorfer...@yahoo.co.uk <**I am glad that Rachol of "glorious traditions" is organizing a Symposium on Science-Religion Dialogue. It is a theme of vitality. I am sure that it will come out with beautiful statements about dialogue between Science and Theology. I wish all success. Regards. Fr.Ivo P.S.: I am sure that Rachol will not produce rubbish crap ( or "breakthroughs") of Santoshian trademark in the name of "scientific literacy", as it is found on this Forum, in the form of following statements: 1.Evolution excludes God (Darwinism, Big Bang Theories exclude God). Evolution and Creation are incompatible. 2. Human consciousness can be explained totally in purely chemical terms. Man is a bundle of neurons. Brain activity explains consciousness. Science excludes any concept of "spiritual element" (soul or psyche) 3. Science explains adequately the origin and meaning of life. 4. Life, mind, and "soul" are totally dependent upon cellular, chemical, and basic physical processes for their actualization so that they cannot survive death. "Survival beyond death is important because science has to validate the Christian doctrine of resurrection". 5. Understanding human life and the functioning of the mind is the domain of an empirical scientist or neuroscientist, not of theologian. 6. "What I find fascinating is, on the one hand, they contain explicit disclaimers that religion, Christianity, the Bible do not provide us with scientific knowledge about the natural world, yet, on the other hand, they thrust upon us with great certitude the bold and audacious claims of the Christian religion on everything from the creation of matter and evolution of life to the functioning of the brain and the emergence of consciousness". 7. Miracles are superstitions. 8. Eucharistic miracles are "bogus". 9. All religions are equally good, equally bad. 10. "Religion is at odds with some of the humanitarian values of rational morality". 11. "Science conclusively showed more than fifty years ago that there is no vital principle. Vitalism and dualism are both dead. We know exactly why and how a brain functions". 12. "Yes, I am saying that...(there is no soul), and I am also saying that any "Sangam" between religion and science would require religion to face up to the finding that science has conclusively rejected the existence of such spooky entities". 13. "Science is inherently not absolute. It is open to change. That is one of its virtues. But Science does not need religion at all. Ethical values are universal. They are built into human nature. If anything, it is religion that needs to learn some ethical values". 14. "Well, Science does not hold such a prejudiced and judgmental view about homosexuality. Here again the Catholic faith is in conflict with Science, and for that matter, with progressive humanitarian ethics". 15. "What is the Christian view on exorcism in the treatment of mental illness? What is homosexuality according to the Christian faith? Does Christian faith not necessitate the violation of the laws of thermodynamics from time to time?" 16. "Science has shown that all life-giving and life-based phenomena, such as respiration, heartbeat, metabolism, growth, reproduction, awareness, thought, emotions, religious experiences, self-consciousness, volition and morality can be completely accounted for by simple physical and chemical mechanisms. There is no need for a soul, immortal or otherwise. There is no need for a prana, purusha, kundalini, elan vital (vital principle), chi, qi, ki, psyche, pneuma, spiritus, ruach. The universe is made up of one thing and one thing only - matter/energy". 17. "How does Revelation distinguish between false science and true science? Can we get speckled calves by making their parents look at speckled rods while copulating at the water hole, as the Bible says? Is that true science?" 18. "Interestingly, Bible actually says that any science that contradicts it is a false science. Here is the relevant quote: 'O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called" (1 Timothy 6:20) 19. "That is why it is important to tell them why blind faith is in conflict with science, and why miracles are unscientific. Most people will understand". 20. "Faith has not taught us that. Here's one quote from the Bible on how a neurological illness - epilepsy - was believed to be due to demonic possession. 'And, lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it teareth him that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth from him.'' (Luke 9:39) 21. "Humans have evolved from mammalian ancestors. Sociobiologists and evolutionary psychologists have shown that human nature and morality have strong evolutionary bases". 22. "Religion does not hold any monopoly over moral principles. Indeed, the need of the hour is to strip morality of its religious
[Goanet] BREAKING NEWS: Hindus infiltrate India!
To Goanet - Click on page 10. This Rajiv Malhotra chap has now slipped into Indian media. Time for Selma Carvalho to take another dump at her keyboard. http://epaper.dnaindia.com/epapermain.aspx?queryed=7&username=&useremailid=&parenteditioncode=9&eddate=12%2f11%2f2010 Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] "Tolerance isn't good enough" - Rajiv Malhotra in HuffPo
--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Carvalho wrote: > >Santosh, >It appears I am not a woman of my word. I said you could > have the last one and I take that back. First off, I haven't attacked >you, I > have merely pointed out a reality as I see it - realities maybe >distorted. > That your particular biases are very obvious in any discussion >and your > claims to neutrality wear thin. And please spare us the >histrionics of how > you are being attacked by everyone and how boorish >goanet is as a forum. > Selma, Again, I have no idea why you are attacking me for merely pointing out that respected Western outlets are equal opportunity critics of Christianity, Hinduism and Islam. I have backed my statements with facts on this front. It is clear that you don't have the courtesy to admit you are wrong. Instead, you are trying to falsely associate me with some guy called Malhotra, about whom or whose article I have said nothing in support. Indeed, I have stated my disagreement with his claim of mutual respect. Admittedly, I do not have your talent for hyperbole in stating my disagreement. Regarding neutrality, I have never claimed to be neutral when it comes to factual evidence, science and rational non-hyperbolic discourse. I am firmly on their side. I also have a bias in favor of India and the United States of America. Please feel free to exercise your biases against Malhotra or anybody else. You have my full support. But please leave me out of your tirades. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] DiZZY
DiZZY Atheist! As I wrote several weeks ago, the A-word makes some Goan RCs swoon and last Sunday we witnessed a full display This is a common ailment of Christians - their attachment and identification with words. We are all aware of the historical precedent with its great psychological implications: the Roman Catholic and the Protestant Churchs' interpretation of the word 'rock' - a war of words which not even God can settle! For Children of the East religion is not about words. Ask a Christian a question and you will most likely be told to open the Bible to a certain page, chapter, and verse. They argue like lawyers! For Children of the East, religion is the experience of truth, a matter of consciousness. Ask a Hindu a question related to his religion and though he might refer you to the Gita or the Upanishas or some other religious texts it is still about individual religious experience. If you have a different opinion or interpretation of the experience he will not go berserk. The Upanishadic seer spoke from a very high level of consciousness and although it was his level of consciousness and understanding, the same cannot necessarily be expected of the listener. As a result, there are commentaries and commentaries and commentaries over hundreds and thousands of years. Can we compare this attitude with the fanatical attitude of the Christian, Roman Catholic or Protestant? For Children of the East either you know or don't know what truth is! Argumentation is fine, no problem but of secondary importance! Other names for commentaries are philosophy, theology. What did the wagsss from Ponda say about the philosopher and theologian? The philosopher, he said, is someone looking for a black cat in a dark room and the theologian is the guy who will find it. Good fun, eh? Anyway, do atheists swoon when they hear the word God? Why not? Why don't Children of the East, Buddhists and Hindus and others swoon over the interpretation of a single word or phrase as do the Roman Catholics and Protestants? Why is it so with Christians? Maybe the scientists on Goanet might want to engage in a lively debate on the topic? What happens in the brain of a believer when s/he hears the A-word? Btw, what did Francis say about the Goans, if anything? As usual, have fun - it's Sunday. Joao
[Goanet] GOA'S TAXPAYER'S PAID FOR IGP SON ’S ADVENTURE
It is suprising that the Home Minister Mr. Ravi Naik and the Chief Secretary Mr. Sanjay Srivastava are unaware that the cost of repairs of the official police car crashed by former Inspector General of Police Mr.K.D.Singh‘s son was paid by the Goa Government. The Government itself has officially informed me under the Right to Information Act that the 4th December 2009 car crash by the son of Goa’s former IGP, Mr. K.D.Singh while driving his father’s official Toyota Innova GA-07-G-0063 had cost the State exchequer Rs 4, 33, 200. The information furnished to me also disclosed that the Goa Government had given financial and administrative approval for the repair of that vehicle and had also decided not to recover the amount from either the former IGP or his son. Siddharth Singh, the IGP’s son was driving his father’s official vehicle along with his friends to a night club at Vasco when he crashed the vehicle while also damaging two electricity poles. While the damages of the vehicle were borne by the government, the former IGP’s son was also not being prosecuted for illegal driving and crashing a government vehicle. Director of Prosecution Mrs. Shobha Dhumaskar had in her legal opinion given on 22nd February this year opined that the IGP’s son should not be charge sheeted in the accident case. The Director of Prosecution in her opinion stated that despite the heavy damage to the vehicle, there was no evidence of rash and negligent driving and that it would be difficult to prove the case against the IGP’s son Sidharth Singh. While former IGP Mr.KD.Singh and his son who was unauthorizedly driving his father’s official vehicle are scot free, it is an irony that in another case a police driver is being penalized though involved in an accident in discharge of his official duties. Rs 1833 a month is being deducted from the salary of Police Driver Mr. Vinod Malvankar for an accident involving a Police van driven by him. Police constable Mr. Vinod Malvankar is being penalized despite the Additional Sessions Judge and a police departmental inquiry as well ruling that he was not driving rash or negligently. If this government had any respect for the rule of law it should have recoverd Rs 4, 33, 200 from former IGP Mr. K.D Singh and also prosecuted his son Sidharth Singh in the accident case in accordance with law. Director of Prosecution Mrs. Shobha Dhumaskar should be also asked to explain as to how she high handedly recommended that the accident case against the former IGP’s son be closed. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Who is Soter Barreto
Dear friends, I had asked FN to justify his charge against me by answering the few questions I had posed. He has ignored them entirely and instead asks another longish one which has no bearing on my earlier statements that did not at all refer to the dialect and script of (a) a language taught to children in schools, (b) a language which is accepted as "official" in a State or (c) a language which is used to judge the proficiency of candidates in the language when they sit before an interview panel for a government job. Clearly, he is trying to enlarge the scope of the subject and lead the debate astray - pl. see the subject line! And he is the one who accused ME of injecting "script-and-dialect" politics into the debate which, until his intervention, it was not. But, I am sorry to say, this is the course that many "debaters" on this forum adopt when they want to wriggle out of a situation which they have themselves created. I would therefore ask him one question which I hope FN will answer, at least this time around: Where have I said all that figures in your question? I could also answer his longish question very succinctly: Certainly not! But let me elaborate by considering the following facts, as I understand them. I shall be grateful to anyone who shows that I have been mistaken on any or all of them. I. Language taught in schools: 1. There are hundreds of languages in the world which are taught to school-children; each of these languages is necessarily WRITTEN in some particular script. (2) Each language has several dialects, some of which are quite unintelligible to speakers of that very language. (3) Nowhere is a child taught her language necessarily in her own dialect; for some of them the dialect that is taught happens to be their own, but for the majority, considering the multiplicity of dialects, any dialect that is taught would turn out to be an "imposition". Now, where in the entire world has any literate person (that too someone who does not read that language) successfully or otherwise insisted that his child be instructed by his government in his own dialect and that the same dialect, by implication, be imposed on all the other children? To my mind, the very suggestion would be laughed out of court. How many dialects does Konkani have in Goa itself? Are we to produce schoolbooks in each and every one of the dialects? And, assuming we have done so, imagine a child whose parents are transferred from say Salcete to Bardez when she has just completed the Second standard; which books should this child study? The ones in her own dialect or the ones of the region to which her parents are transferred? I think the demand is senseless, being devoid of any road-map. If I want to have an existing system changed, obviously, I should be prepared with an alternative one. Have these people thought of an alternative dialect? If yes, can they justify its imposition on a majority of children whose dialect it is not? II. Official language: "Official language" is necessarily the WRITTEN language of administration. It concerns the general public only while intercommunicating with the government. These communications are necessarily IN WRITING; i.e. they are written and read. If I do not read the "official" language in any script, why should the script in which it is written matter to me at all? III. Language test at interviews: The interviews are necessarily ORAL, not written; hence script has no place here. Obviously, it is the proficiency in oral communication in the language that is being tested, and not the dialect. If it were the latter, and supposing I were to be sitting on a panel, every candidate would fail because I speak a particular dialect prevalent in the Assolna-Velim-Cuncolim region of Salcete; the dialect that a villager of neighbouring Cavelossim (just across the River Sal, and within shouting distance) speaks being distinctly different, he too will fail! So, could any claim be more ridiculous? Truth shall prevail! Sotachench zoit zatolem! Mog asum. Sebastian Borges On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 Frederick Noronha wrote: Just because "a large number of GCs (Goan Catholics) do not read Konkani in any script, does it imply they should have no preference about the dialect and script (i) which is used to teach their children this language in schools (ii) which is accepted as "official" in contemporary Goa (iii) which is used to judge their efficiency in the language when they sit bofore an interview panel for a government job? FN Sebastian Borges
[Goanet] 2000 year old holy torn tree of Glastonbury cut down in UK
"U. G. Barad" wrote : To: Subject: [Goanet] 2000 year old holy torn tree of Glastonbury, UK is cut down - Daily Mail 10/12/10 I was intrigued by the comment made by Camillo Fernandes that perhaps it was an anti-Christian attack in the United Kingdom. I was particularly interested to know how a Christian symbol came to be in the UK, many years prior to arrival of the religion in that country. Comments : Camilo Fernandes I have never made any comment that perhaps it was an anti Christian attack in the UK. The said post appeared in the Daily Mail dated 10/12/10 and all that I have done is forwarded it as it is, and in no way responsible for the said article. Best wishes, Dev borem korum Camilo Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Shankar Mandrekar
Good tribute Tony. Almost every Goan middle-class family whether in Goa or in Bombay, had a Xencor either male or female, either resident or itinerant. At different periods, we had our resident Juzephine and Cecilia. They were devoted and caring, hardworking and loyal. I don't think we did enough for them even though I remember my parents as generous and kind. . I would have done much more when I started earning, but by that time they were gone, returning back to their homes in Goa which they must have missed. They were young girls when they came, scarcely 6 or 7 years older than my 5. They spent their youth with us and what should have been the best years of their lives. I don't know the circumstances under which we got them. Times must have been hard for their parents, their hearts filled with trepidation to give them up in the safekeeping of a family in Bombay The only consolation to them must have been that we were Goan too, and they would be brought to no harm. As a parent, I can understand the pain to part with a child. My father was a serene soul, nothing unbalancing his equanimity, but for my mother, everything had to be just right. She was a nurse trained under the rigorous standards of those days and therefore naturally strict. She beat me up a lot more than she did J and C but I was her son and she could take those liberties. They were girls, her help and she should have been compelled to show more understanding with them. But I guess I should not be judgmental. In those times they actually believed that sparing the rod would be spoiling the child and everybody did it. It was conventional wisdom. In retrospect we should have sent them to school and given them a formal education while still expecting them to work around the house. My parents it seemed were not enlightened enough. Paying them a meager salary and helping these girls financially when they were to get married in Goa, was poor compensation for their faithfulness and all the work they did in the household. I could and would never repay them enough with the visits to their house and the gifts I took when I was on my yearly vacations to Goa from the Gulf. But they thought that was the greatest thing there was and they would proudly show me off as their ward, to their household and to their neighbors in the village. God bless these men and women. We certainly did not bless them enough. Roland. Toronto. -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Tony de Sa Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:42 AM To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 Subject: [Goanet] Shankar Mandrekar Who was Shankar Mandrekar? Well the answer could very well be just a nonentity, a nobody, or just an aam aadmi.
[Goanet] Goa news for December 12, 2010
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Plans to recruit women fire fighters - Times of India Home Minister http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFJatcCFU0dkfxRXmzvmqgM4egklg&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Plans-to-recruit-women-fire-fighters/articleshow/7085169.cms *** ICG's patrol vessel commissioned - Times of India akistan sea border http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFPn2B10QswpaCB_5yf9VU5_BzJVQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/ICGs-patrol-vessel-commissioned/articleshow/7085085.cms *** Govt to refer Mahanand cases to DoP - Times of India o-examine-acquittal-of-serial-killer/723462">Goa to examine acquittal of serial killer http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFOmywE8EQerJrSqJi92MMRdvgwfg&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Govt-to-refer-Mahanand-cases-to-DoP/articleshow/7085081.cms *** Goa's lifeguards call off strike, get back to beaches - Sify ay old strike Saturday, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNERf7M_76BrSDN-qfpopl6EHZQBBQ&url=http://sify.com/finance/goa-s-lifeguards-call-off-strike-get-back-to-beaches-news-default-kmluknjfbea.html *** Goans criticize Churchill for his remarks - Times of India otivated statement by the minister, others said that the Goa government has not demanded the merger of Karwar ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHF7IZnZApXq88bgRWIRzCCmIXjzw&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goans-criticize-Churchill-for-his-remarks/articleshow/7085770.cms *** Regulated air fares can boost year-end tourism in Goa: Experts - Economic Times ifeguards-strike-upsets-tourism-industry-news-default-kmkvOsfjgce.html">Goa lifeguards' strike upsets tourism industry http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHrmrMGtPyChp_Al8MhZnLtV79amQ&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/Regulated-air-fares-can-boost-year-end-tourism-in-Goa-Experts/articleshow/7081892.cms *** What's in a word? Goa to host 3-day lit fest - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: Its raining festivals in Goa this season. After the recently concluded, international film festival of India (IFFI), the state will now get a chance ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHXLleeROksAnv8ln_HnaXcKCCBBQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Whats-in-a-word-Goa-to-host-3-day-lit-fest/articleshow/7085093.cms *** PDS rice from Goa regularly diverted to Maha: Police - Times of India M">and more » http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHMazUxae-28zViyNkGEYwsoiVetQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/PDS-rice-from-Goa-regularly-diverted-to-Maha-Police/articleshow/7085076.cms *** Five yrs later, escaped lifer nabbed in K'taka, back at Aguada - Times of India 5uwM">and more » http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHL5Mv5pRayABk_kCQUQECZ4Zf04w&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Five-yrs-later-escaped-lifer-nabbed-in-Ktaka-back-at-Aguada/articleshow/7085087.cms *** Controversy arises over 'non-PDA ODP' in RP - Times of India evel committee (SLC) member on the regional plan for Goa has said he was unaware that several villages ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGzsAngW1HSo45Ph63tlG4i8gnlqA&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Controversy-arises-over-non-PDA-ODP-in-RP/articleshow/7085078.cms Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
-Original Message- From: Marshall Mendonza I read with keen interest your extract from the book IN QUEST OF FREEDOM by James Fernandes (Concept Publishing New Delhi). The book is available online, for free at: http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=8170223091&btnG=Search+Bo oks For related books see http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=related:ISBN8170223091&id=6UKFHNfjKLgC&sou rce=gbs_similarbooks_s&cad=1 Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Konkan’s entry on Ind ia’s infrastructure map foretells doom (Smruti Koppikar, Outlook)
ECOLOGY: KONKAN The Rape Of Eden Konkan’s entry on India’s infrastructure map foretells doom Smruti Koppikar smr...@koppikar.net Endangered Landscape : District-wise breakdown of the major projects Thane * Ancillary development of Navi Mumbai airport, green * areas released for housing and commercial exploitation Raigad * Navi Mumbai airport MahaMumbai SEZ. Area: Thrice that * of Mumbai Five thermal power plants 10 km from one * another Chemical industries hub Ratnagiri * Madban: Location of the Jaitapur nuclear power plant (6 * reactors) * Gholap: Port to come up * Across the region: 9 coal-fired plants and mining on * 950 ha Sindhudurg * Dongerpal: Iron ore mine on anvil * Asniye, Galel, Kalne villages: Mining permits * Devgad, Dhakore-Vengurla: NTPC’s 2 thermal power * projects *** Konkan, the idyllic stretch nestled between the Arabian Sea on its west and the Sahyadris on its east, is often touted as Maharashtra’s answer to Goa. In fact, the Konkanis believe the sands and water, rice and fish, mangoes and cashews, peace and tranquility here are a notch above Goa’s as Konkan is not on the international tourist map yet. The 720-km stretch from the northeastern corner of Mumbai down to Goa is, however, finding itself on India’s infrastructure map: with a vengeance. >From Panvel in Raigad district, across Madban in Ratnagiri, to Sawantwadi in Sindhudurg, a slew of big-ticket projects are planned. They threaten not only Konkan’s idyllic setting but also its economy and culture. Leading the charge is the 9,900-MW Jaitapur nuclear power project, the largest of its kind in the world, the deal for which was inked earlier this week between the Nuclear Power Corporation of India and French giant Areva. Also on the board are 15 coal-based power projects equalling nearly 25,000 MW, 40-odd medium- and small-size ports, nearly 40 medium and mega SEZs, major mining projects and chemical hubs. “This is the death-knell for Konkan; our lives will be nightmarish,” declared social activist Vaishali Patil, before she was arrested this week. Madban, the village chosen for the Jaitapur nuclear power plant, mirrors the deep resentment and unrest in the entire Konkan stretch. Some parts have seen agitations for over three years, but events in Madban signify the worst side of India’s infrastructure crusade. Land was acquired in Madban, Niveli and Mithgavane without informing villagers of the nature of the project; protesters saw the ruthlessness of state power. Prohibitory orders were enforced strictly, women walking to their fields were picked up and thrown behind bars, farm equipment was confiscated or thoroughly searched before labourers were allowed to proceed to their farms, key activists in the area were detained so many times that most went underground as the Jaitapur deal was signed. Even so, nearly 800 locals were detained as a few broke window-panes of police vans and gathered to listen to Justice (retd) B.G. Kolse-Patil, who too was arrested and kept in Lanja jail with convicts and undertrials. “Whenever news is being telecast about the Jaitapur plant, power goes off in the entire area. Whenever an agitation is planned, the mobile network gets jammed. Isn’t it surprising?” asks Vilas Keru Katkar, 39, a Niveli resident. Another resident, Ranjana Manjrekar, laments that “it’s our own police that lathicharges us, while the handful of traitors who’ve given their vehicles to the power plant get police protection”. A third resident, Anant Narayan Katkar, 67, who has been arrested three times so far, remarks: “The government thinks we agitate because our land is being taken. But they don’t realise that, for us, nature is not separate. We are part of the nature which the Jaitapur project will destroy.” Stretched Idyll Beach houses in Ratnagiri Economists like Dr Sulabha Brahme in Pune question the need for Konkan to produce close to 33,000-MW power when the region itself requires less than 200 MW. Local physician Dr Vivek Bhide says the economic and cultural change cannot even be mapped fully. “These projects will hit the nearly seven lakh people in Ratnagiri and Sindhudurg who depend on horticulture, mainly mangoes, cashew and coconuts. These two districts were declared a horticulture zone by the state in 1997; farmers were subsidised to invest in mango crops. All that will now come to naught.” “If Jairam Ramesh is so clued in, why is he clearing a project that is 10 times Chernobyl,” asks lawyer Girish Raut. Equally, a large stretch of the Western Ghats, billed by the international environmental community as one of the top 10 biodiversity spots in the world, is at stake. The Western Ghats or the Sahyadris are home to over 5,000 species of flowering plants, 139 mammal, 508 bird and 179 amphibian species, including 325 globally threatened ones. The ministry of environment and forests is aware of this. Even on the day minister Jairam Ramesh sat next
[Goanet] Fwd: HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION FOR GOA CONSTITUTED
What does this exactly mean, in a Goan context? FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 -- Forwarded message -- From: DIRECTOR INFORMATION PUBLICITY Date: 10 December 2010 18:23 Subject: HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION FOR GOA CONSTITUTED HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION FOR GOA CONSTITUTED Panaji, December 10, 2010 His Excellency Dr. S.S. Sidhu, Governor of Goa, has today appointed Shri Justice Praful Kumar Mishra, Former Chief Justice of Patna High Court, as the Chairman of the Goa State Human Rights Commission and Shri A.D. Salkar, former District Judge in Goa as Member of the Goa State Human Rights Commission, on the recommendations of the Government with effect from the date they assume charge of their Office. DI/NB/MP/UR/SVM/DDN/2010/ -- DIRECTORATE OF INFORMATION AND PUBLICITY. THIRD FLOOR,UDYOG BHAVAN, NEAR AZAD MAIDAN, PANAJI GOA PHONE-0832-2422675 0832-2226047 0832-2426168 FAX 0832-2224211
[Goanet] CHRISTMAS WISHES IN ADVANCE
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[Goanet] More on Mr Rajiv Malhotra
Rajiv Malhotra has quite taken my fancy because he is that most insidious of persons, who hides under the name of scholarship and higher intelligence and disguises his prejudice and hateful ideology with verbiage. This is what Malhotra had to say about Western women: http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2004/04/much-ado-about-ganesha-paul-courtright.html "Western women, such as the famous professor herself, who are suppressed by the prudish and male chauvinistic myths of the Abrahamic religions, find in their study of Hinduism a way to release their innermost latent vasanas, but they disguise this autobiography as a portrayal of the “other” (in this case superimposing their obsessions upon Hindu deities and saints). " He elaborates: "Is sex a euphemism for god? Or is god a euphemism for sex? Or both!” 2) American Lesbian and Gay women's vasanas, also suppressed by Abrahamic condemnation, seek private and public legitimacy, and therefore, interpret Indian texts for this autobiographical purpose." But wait a minute, this inter-faith Guru has this to say about Islam. "Once the population of Muslims in a given region crosses a threshold in numbers and/or assertiveness, such demands begin. Once this ball is set in motion, the euphoria builds up into a frenzy, and galvanizes the Pan-Islamic global loyalty discussed in #2 below. The temperature is made to boil until Muslims worldwide see the expansion of their territory as God's work. The US will have this experience at some point during the next few decades" Bravo, Malhotra has just demonised 1/6 of the world population and add Christians to it, we have only Shintoism and Hinduism left as a possible path to salvation. Now, I wonder if any mainstream reputable publication in the West would ever have the indecency to call Hindu women, suppressed lesbians because of their religion. I wonder what an uproar that would cause and how tolerant the upholders of Hinduism back in India would be of such a statement. But ofcourse, we can say anything about Christianity and not hear a peep. Best, Selma
[Goanet] The Goan Catholic Casualty
The Goan Catholic Casualty During my schooling years in Kuwait, I was overwhelmed by the Goan Community or shall I say the Goan Catholic Community via the various functions, tiatrs etc. I perceived Goa’s Identity as Catholic, but to my gradual realization, Goan Identity was actually, an amazing cohesion of the Goan Hindu, Catholic & Muslim entities. I think many Goan Catholics don’t appreciate that the fact, that Hinduism in particular, has a significant positive foundation/influence on the Catholic community and both these dominant religions together, have shaped Goa’s Very Unique Identity; making us different, from other Indian & Global communities. I think with respect to Goan Identity, both Goa’s predominant religions, can’t do without the other. But then, we see divisions amongst these religious communities, to the effect that most of Goa’s critical identity issues are not addressed, to the benefit of corrupt politicians & non-goans who (with respect) are taking increasing control of Goa and making us irrelevant in our own land i.e. the disunity/suspicion amongst the religious groups are pushing Goans towards extinction. For instance, despite the fact that a significant amount of Goans relate to Roman Konkani, this script is being opposed; do Goans prefer to promote Konkani or to see non-Goan languages i.e. Kannada, Malayalam, Urdu etc getting increasing prominence via the back door i.e. uncontrolled migration, migrant vote banks & other factors. Let’s understand that Konkani (Devanagiri & Roman) will be irrelevant, if Goans become a minority in Goa. I will address issues in my Catholic community. “Goan Catholics must realize that the first clear casualty of Goan Identity will be Catholics themselves” and surely in the long run, it will be all Goans, including the Hindus & Muslims. We Catholics, will have only ourselves to blame and in my view, are significantly responsible for Goa’s deteriorating identity, via the following facts: (A) Short term Gains in land sales to outsiders; many times unnecessary, (B) Konkani shunned by the so called educated/elite class, (C) USA, UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA etc appears to a give a imaginary boost to the self-esteem of many Catholic Goans; many of those who emigrated then come to “Hopeless Goa” looking for prospective Grooms/Brides for themselves or their siblings (D) Most Goan emigrants give various excuses i.e. better life, education for kids etc; It is the permanent overseas residence (not temporary) that I am referring to. I appreciate that there are economic reasons for emigration, but let me pose the following questions (1) Do we really lack a long term vision, to see that the economic power is shifting east and so, do Goans really need to go west today? (2) Why can’t well off Non Resident Goans, use their resources to improve Goa and realize the very better standards that they use as an excuse to emigrate? (3) What about true value of material gains vs. the actual social/value losses? (4) Yes, there are reasons for specific emigration but then, can’t they give back anything to Goa or have they abandoned the land of their ancestors? (5) Don’t we appreciate that all developed countries were actually backward but the residents there “made it happen”; and now with respect, many Goans (particularly in the Gulf) are migrating to those countries, instead of trying to develop their home to the desired standards; I think that together, we can make Goa a world class state. It easy to run away from problem’s & emigrate; but is this right in the long run? The Goan Diaspora has the world’s best practices but only a few have/are giving back to Goa. I believe that most issues causing Goans to emigrate can be resolved, some immediately, some in a reasonable timeframe and some a bit more time. The Goan Diaspora can play a key role in the latter with their Global Skills/Strengths; but will they? Forget about doing something, there are quite a few in the Goan diaspora will just criticize views/action for Goa so as to safeguard their immigrant status and to console themselves with the fact that they were to complacent to speak/act for Goa!! There are many cultural events & conventions in Canada, Australia, UK, USA etc surely all these, will not be relevant, if Goan identity is extinguished in Goa. Sometimes, I think that with the exception of the very few, most of these events are just socializing opportunities for the Goan Diaspora and there is actually no serious will, to do anything for Goa. I read somewhere that Mississauga Canada had the largest concentration of Goans outside Goa; the Goan source appeared to be very proud of the same, to which I can sadly say that with the current high rate of permanent Goan migration from Goa, Mississauga could have the largest Goan Population in the world and that identity too will gradually wither away, with no distinct Goan majority homeland, in the near future. In Politics, we Catholics are slaves to deceitful “Secular Parties” and vo
[Goanet] Shankar Mandrekar
Who was Shankar Mandrekar? Well the answer could very well be just a nonentity, a nobody, or just an aam aadmi. Well, Shankar or more popularly Xenkor, or affectionately Xencorlo (but never to his face) passed away on the 11th. He was not in very good physical shape of late, probably the result of all the beedies and cigarettes that he smoked in his young days. After a struggle for some time, he shook of his mortal coil. Xencor was a humble toiler, an odd job man, a mason, a white washer/ painter, a repairer of roofs, and a fixer. He was as the good book puts it "the salt of the earth". Originally, his family of masons came to Moira from Mandrem in Pernem and liking the place decided to settle here. Xencor came into our lives soon after we moved to Goa in 1962. He was hired to chop firewood. The firewood was delivered in the form of huge logs -lottinge as we call them in Konkani. With his sharp axe, he set about the business of chopping the logs into smaller pieces suitable for burning in the fireplace. He went about his business with the minimal of beedi breaks, but worked with a will. At the end of the day, his out put was four Khandis(1) - which was a lot by those standards. But then he was in top physical condition at that time. In the evening he came into the house for a tot of Coconut Feni, which was a custom of sorts in those days. After this, he was regularly employed in our house for all kinds of odd jobs. He soon began dropping in at our place and soon sort of adopted our family as his own. He soon became a part of our lives. Though he was employed by us off and on, he considered us a part of his extended family. There were neuroios(2) at Ganesh and sweets at diwali and we in turn sent hiim kunsvar(3) at Christmas and Kaddio Bodio(4) for our feast. He had no inhibitions about eating at our place, though he would not touch beef or pork with a barge pole. Soon after I started working, we decided to cement our floor. Our floor which hitherto was covered with cowdung was becoming a problem. Cowdung was becoming scarce, and people to apply it were also becoming more difficult to get. Also it was a messy business as it involved shifting furniture and then later scraping off the cowdung that had splattered or wiped on it. Naturally, the person selected to do the job was Xencor. When we wanted to dig our well, Xencor did it. And slowly Xencor turned to giving us advice on various matters. We would consult him for sowing our field, to carry out any project in the house. We used him as a sounding board whenever we wanted to do any thing that involved the use of labour. Much as he was familiar with our family, he was respectful at all times. He would insist on calling my parents "Bhatcar" and "Bhatcarni" though we were neither landlords, nor was he a tenant of ours. We children were always 'bab' and 'baie'. He would display a kind of proprietorship by referring to us as amcho bab and amchi baie. Even after I insisted on him calling me by my given name, he would use "Tony bab" as a concession. The local villagers considered him our 'mundkar'(5) in every respect though he was not really one. He was a fixer. Came various elections to Goa and Xencor found a niche as a political fixer of sorts. When it came to swaying the votes of the Hindu community in his locality, there was no better person. He was much sought after by politicians of various hues. He played no favourites, displaying no affection for any one party or person. One election he would back one party and the second election he would back the next. He had his ear to the ground and could pick a winner quite accurately most of the time. Initially, he lived in a tiny hut near the fields in one of the wards. Later he managed to get a plot near the Church and built a small house. He was street smart and availed of all the loans, subsidies and benefits granted by the Panchayat and other Government agencies. He married a woman called Mogrem. Mogrem in turn was a hard toiler and soon they built up a family. They reared cows and would sell off the excess milk to supplement their income, Soon because of the distance and preoccupation with his family, he began visiting us less and less. However, the affection still remained and the gifts at Ganesh and Diwali and Christmas continued to be exchanged. We attended his children's marriages and he ours. The children are well settled in life. One is the local postmaster. Another owns a Cab. Yet another is a contractor. His children are still respectful but as I have experienced with other children of great fathers, cannot be compared with their fathers. I have dashed off this tribute to the memory of Xencor knowing fully well that no one in his family will ever read it. Nevertheless, I have felt that his story must be told. Xencorlia, Rest in Peace we remember you with affection and a sense of loss. -- Tony de Sa. tonydesa at gmail dot com ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
Re: [Goanet] Boycott Goa Liberation Celebrations
There is talk about boycotting liberation day celebrations. To acheive what? How many goans go for the liberation day parade or organise something to commmorate the event? It is too late to brood over what happened in 1961. We need to be concerned about how to bring sense in the goan of today with rhetoric from the confines of his AC room and laptop? Political revolutions are not brought about by keeping tabs on cow slaughter, garbage dumping and publicity stunts on TVs. Trying to blackmail congress by threatening to vote BJP is no solution either. All are the same. We have tried it in 1999 and seen the results. Only that it makes someone new richer than the regulars. Important is to understand the underworld of politics and its operation which cannot be understood by flying tours. People are not able to control their Panchayat politics, how can they control Goa? 54% Indians are said to have admitted giving a bribe at some point in time. This speaks a lot. This is important. It will be the same people screaming 'Save Goa' but doing just the opposite in their backyards. Some months ago it was publicised that mining in Goa will come to a standstill after Jairam Ramesh's intervention due to efforts of some activists. What happened? Has it? -soter
Re: [Goanet] 2000 year old holy torn tree of Glastonbury, UK is cut down - Daily Mail 10/12/10
In reply to U Barad. You wrote “ you are intrigued by the thought that Christians do worship trees, as many other cultures do.” It certainly would sound interesting and intriguing to many non Christian domination how the tree has significance to Christianity. But you will not know the difference unless and until you know the difference between worship and respected or venerated a site.I visited Glastonbury in mid- April 2010. Surely if you visit Glastonbury as I have done and visited the 'Holy Torn Tree' the most Christian visiting this place stand in silence and very few one in a thousand tie a ribbon (but for the time I was there I didn’t see any one tie a ribbon) people visited like any historical site and showed respected by the visit. To clear with the concept “worship” laid in the minds like U Barad, there was no Incense sticks (Arggabrati) or flowers laid around in rituals or worship. No one removed slippers and walked there, no one chanted any prayers of worship or poured any milk at the tree. I do not criticize the worship but in plain English clarifying the word ‘worship’ used here by U Barad. I saw and noticed all Christian visited this place like any place, and saw most visited out of something called reverence or respect, which I think is normal and why not ? Every human being even a atheist if consider something or someone close, would show respect and reverence don’t they? It is natural, if it is of great importance to any human beings. To understand the difference in these two, we must understand such issues more with a liberal view than the eyes of Hinduism.
Re: [Goanet] Target Your Comments To The Author Of The Article
Roland Francis Target Your Comments To The Author Of The Article. With that, our Goanetter oncologist seems to have temporarily but effectively stymied his detractors. Gilbert seems to have hit upon a successful strategy: . Shabash Gilbert! You have innocently but effectively put paid to the machiavellism of Santosh Helekar, Jose Colaco and even that of George Sudharop. --- GL responds. I am a slow learner! Lets hope my simple strategy STYMIES the pseudo-intellectuals. So you think these guys will get your hint? As you rightly said "TEMPORARILY but effectively" With some of the names you mentioned, the challenge is to save them from their own-self. All this time I was wondering what these guys were smoking; and how to get them some better marijuana.:=)) Regards, GL
[Goanet] SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA: NEW YEAR'S EVE DANCE
THIS IS IT! THE NEW YEAR's EVE "DANCE OF THE NEW DECADE" Only 3 weeks to the grand event and tickets are selling fast. Get your tickets NOW before tickets sell out. Don't wait. Tickets will sell out. Tickets sold first come, first serve basis. An unforgettable New Year's Eve at an affordable price. The GEMAI Global Group (GEMAI stands for Goans, East Indians, Mangaloreans, Anglo Indians) cordially invites you to a gala New Year's event. Beat the recession blues, relax and dance the evening away as we usher in 2011. All for a good cause - 100% of proceeds to benefit Goa Sudharop Youth activities. This is the second time so many groups are coming together for one memorable evening. Very central and convenient location. Plenty of free parking. All are invited. Dinner & DJ dancing. The event is for the whole family (family-friendly event). LOCATION: WILLOW PASS COMMUNITY CENTER ADDRESS: 2748 East Olivera Road, Concord, Northern California, USA, 94519 TIME: 7:45pm to 12:30am DATE: DECEMBER 31, 2010, FRIDAY COST: FOR DINNER & DJ DANCING $35 FOR AGES 13+ $22 FOR AGES 5-12 UNDER 5 FREE, NO TICKETS WILL BE SOLD AT THE DOOR. Enjoy a wonderful evening and bring in the New Year. Beverages including Alcohol will be sold at reasonable price. By purchasing a ticket you agree to hold the event hosts and all parties harmless for any adverse results due to your alcohol consumption. i.e. you agree you are 100% responsible and liable for your alcohol consumption in connection with the event. Please send for your tickets asap as this event will sell out. NO TICKETS WILL BE SOLD AT THE DOOR. Although those under age 5 are free, please include their names so we have a headcount for catering purposes. Mail your checks made payable to "GOA SUDHAROP" and mail to: ACARIA ALMEIDA P.O. Box 6144 MORAGA, CA, 94570 Phone: 925-324-0513 Please email Acaria Almeida at jarks...@yahoo.com and let her know you mailed the check with the number of people in your party so she can keep track. Net proceeds from this event will be donated to GOA SUDHAROP for YOUTH activities. For more information, see www.goasudharop.org. PLEASE NOTE TICKET PRICES ARE NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Donations in excess of the ticket prices are greatly appreciated. Tax deductible contributions to GOA SUDHAROP can be added to your check, please be VERY generous. Please forward this email to your family and friends. _ If you want to stay in a hotel close to the event, here is the Hotel Information: Holiday Inn (soon to be Red Lion Hotel on Dec 21st) 1050 Burnett Avenue, Concord, California, 94520 Ph: 1-925-687-5500; Toll Free: 1-888-263-8555 www.stayconcord.com The special rates for guests attending the New Year's Eve GEMAI Group event at the Holiday Inn (soon to be Red Lion Inn from Dec 21st) Concord are: Room with 2 Queen beds $84.00 + tax per night, includes breakfast Room with 2 Queen beds $79.00 + tax per night, without breakfast Children 12 and under stay and eat free To book your reservations over the phone, please call 1-888-263-8555 or the hotel directly at 1-925-687-5500 and ask for the "GEMAI GROUP" rates. The hotel requires a credit card to guarantee all reservations. You will also be required to present a valid credit card and ID upon check in. All guests will also be required to sign and adhere to our strict "No Party Policy" upon check in. Check in time is 2:00pm and check out time is 12:00 noon. The hotel has a 24 hour cancellation policy; if you are unable to keep your reservation, please cancel your reservations 24 hours prior to arrival to avoid a charge of one night's room & tax. The Hotel is offering free shuttle service to the location until 8:30pm and a Cab company arranged for pick up for $10.00 after the event.
[Goanet] Portuguese... and Konkani (books related to Goa)
YOU MIGHT know of the Asian Educational Services, a Delhi-based organisation that has good model going in reprinting copyright-expired old texts that still have a market. Recently, my friend and Goanetter Sajan Venniyoor gave me a copy of their catalogue. After unsucessfully trying to type in some titles, I found it easier to locate the same via an online search [http://www.asianeds.com/search_result.asp] Akbar and the Jesuits By Pierre Du Jarric, Fr Monserrate ISBN : 8120610695 22cm, xcviii, 288p, 8 Plates. (Reprint London 1926 edn.) 1996 Status : Out of Print INR 745.00 Book currently out of print. Contact Customer Care [ Out of Print ] Albuquerque and the Early Portuguese Settlement in India By H Morse Stephens ISBN : 8120615247 19cm, 222p, 1 Map, Photo (Reprint Oxford 1892 edn.) 2000 Status : Available INR 465.00 Add to Cart Archivo Portuguez Oriental 6 Fasciculsos Em 10 Partes By J H Da Cunha Rivara ISBN : 8120607775 19cm, Fasciculo i Parte 1: 160p, Fasciculo i Parte 2: 272p, Fasciculo ii: 310p, Fasciculo iii: 976p,Fasciculo iv: 570p, Fasciculo v: Parte 1: 472p, Fasciculo v: Parte 2: 486p, Fasciculo v: Part 3 : 780p,22cm, fasciculo vi: primeiro & segundo, 608p, Fasciculo 6 Supplements: 608p, (Reprint Goa 1877, 1865, 1861, 1862, 1857, 1866, 1876 edn.) 1992 Status : Available INR 10,795.00 Add to Cart Book of Duarte Barbosa - An Account of the Countries Bordering on the Indian Ocean, Coasts of East Africa - 2 Vols. By Duarte Barbosa, Mansel Longworth Dames ISBN : 8120604512 22cm, Vol. I: 324p, 2 Maps, Vol. II : 318p, 2 Maps (Reprint London 1918 edn.) 1989, 2002 Status : Available INR 1,745.00 Add to Cart Colleccao De Tratados E Concertos De Pazes Que O Estado Da India Portugueza Fez Com Os Reis E Senhores Com Quem Teve Relacoes Nas Partes Da Asia E Africa Oriental (14 Vols) By J F Biker, J F Judice Biker ISBN : 8120611195 22cm, Vol. 1: 348pVol. 2: x 298p Vol. 3: xx 372pVol. 4: x 310p Vol. 5: x 330pVol. 6: viii 372p Vol. 7: x 308pVol. 8: 280p Vol. 9: ii, 322pVol. 10 ii 316p Vol11:vii, 362pvol. 12: ii 314p Vol. 13: vi 306pVol. 14: 478p (Reprint Lisbon 1881 to 1887 edn.) 1995 Status : Available INR 13,795.00 Add to Cart Commentaries of the Great Afonso Dalboquerque (1500-1580) (4 Vols) By Walter De Gray Birch ISBN : 812061514X 22cm, 1432, Plans, 4 Maps (Reprint London 1875-84 edn.) 2000 Status : Available INR 3,900.00 Add to Cart Commentary of Father Monserrate on his Journey to the Court of Akbar in the year 1580 By Fr Monserrate ISBN : 8120608070 19cm, 304. (Reprint London 1922 edn.) 1993, 2003 Status : Available INR 615.00 Add to Cart Conjurcao De 1787 Em Goa By J H Da Cunha Rivara ISBN : 8120606043 22cm, 188p. (Reprint Nova-Goa 1875 edn.) 1990 Status : Available INR 495.00 Add to Cart Contribution to the Study of Indo- Portuguese Numismatics By J Gerson Da Cunha ISBN : 8120605888 22cm, 130p, 9 Plates, Map, Illus. (Reprint Bombay 1880 edn.) 1990, 1995 Status : Available INR 495.00 Add to Cart Diccionario Konkani Portuguese (Konkani - Portuguese Dictionary) By S R Dalgado ISBN : 8120600851 22 cm , 602 p (Reprint Bombay 1893 edn.) 1983 ,2003 Status : Out of Print English - Konkani Dictionary (Romanised) By A F X Maffei ISBN : 8120606264 22cm , 558p (Reprint Mangalore 1883 edn.) 1983 , 1990 ,2001 Status : Available INR 845.00 Add to Cart English - Konkani Pronouncing Pocket Dictionary (Romanised) By J M Pinto ISBN : 8120601726 17cm , 228p (Reprint edn.) 1988 ,2001 Status : Available INR 395.00 Add to Cart Ethiopia Oriental - Part II By Joao Dos Santos ISBN : 8120613279 19cm, 390p. (Reprint Lisboa 1891 edn.) 1998 Status : Available INR 845.00 Add to Cart Ethiopia Oriental - Part-I By Joao Dos Santos ISBN : 812060928X 19cm, 480p. (Reprint Lisboa 1891 edn.) 1995 Status : Available INR 845.00 Add to Cart Etnografia da India Portuguesa (2 Vols) By A B De Braganca Pereira ISBN : 812060640X 22cm, Vol. 1: As Civilizacoes da India Introducao 308p, 32Illus. Vol. 2: 340p, 147 Illus. (Reprint Portugal 1940 edn.) 1991 Status : Available INR 2,245.00 Add to Cart First Englishmen in India By J Courtenay Locke ISBN : 8120610350 22cm, xvi, 229p, 8 Plates, 3 Maps. (Reprint London 1930 edn.) 1995, 2001 Status : Available INR 745.00 Add to Cart Folklore Notes - 2 Vols. - Vol. I. - Folklore of Gujarat, Vol. II - Folklore of Konkan) By R E Enthoven ISBN : 8120604857 25 cm, Vol. 1; 179p, Folklore of Gujarat Vol. 2: 132p, Folklore of Konkan (Reprint Vol. 1: 1914Vol. 2:Reprint 1915) edn.) 1989 Status : Available INR 845.00 Add to Cart Four Pilgrims By William Boulting ISBN : 8120608054 22cm, 266p. (Reprint London edn.) 1992, 2001 Status : Available INR 465.00 Add to Cart Globe Trotter in India Two Hundred Years Ago By M Macmillan ISBN : 8120608658 19cm, xii, 214p. (Reprint London 1895 edn.) 1993 Status : Available INR 495.00 Add to Cart Goa and the Blue Mountains By Richard F Burton ISBN : 8120606795 19cm,
[Goanet] GOACAN joins consumers worldwide to fight against corruption
--- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help other CONSUMERS to be better informed. --- --- GOACAN joins consumers worldwide to fight against corruption --- The Consumer’s struggle for good quality goods & services in the market place is an important part of the larger battle against corruption being fought worldwide, was the message given out at the GOACAN Awareness Action held in Margao. The Awareness Action was held as part of its ongoing Consumer Rights Awareness Fortnight by GOACAN on the occasion of International Anti-Corruption Day 9th December which has been promoted worldwide by the United Nations. Today’s action which had the participation of volunteers of Consumer Forums highlighted the importance for supporting the ongoing world wide fight against corruption by consumers in their daily lives. During the Awareness Action consumers were reminded that on a daily basis they use goods and services provided by the Goa Govt. controlled Departments and Corporations covering a range of services like water supply, electricity, kerosene, rations, milk, bus transport, ferry boats, pay toilets, pay parking, roads etc. While many consumers grumble about the poor quality of service and about being over charged, few consumers actually file complaints to make a change in the system so as to improve service delivery and put a stop to being short changed. The fight for better services by consumers is in actual fact a fight against corruption which is the primary cause of the problems faced by them. Similarly consumers were reminded of the goods & services used daily by them which are provided by the Central Govt. Departments & Corporations, Public Sector Companies and those owned by other State Govts. Consumers in Goa use LPG cylinders, telephones, postal services, banks, railways, airports etc where sub standard materials are used and part of the money is being siphoned off to pay bribes to various officials. Consumers were informed that goods and services are provided based on Tenders issued to Contractors by these Govt. Depts. and Corporations and involve corrupt practices that eventually affect the Consumer’s Right to good quality products and services. This awareness activity is being undertaken also by keeping in mind that the months of December-January being peak tourism season, has an impact on the quality of services, availability of products and functioning of the supervisory, vigilance and redressal mechanisms for consumers in Goa. Tourists in Goa are also on the receiving end of poor quality goods & services being provided and at most times they do not file complaints with the concerned agencies due to which the corrupt practices being followed carry on unabated. Volunteers distributed information slips to consumers with Telephone numbers of the Goa Govt.’s Vigilance Department which can be contacted on 2422111, the Anti-Corruption Branch (ACB) at Altinho, Panjim on 2232733 and the Central Bureau of Investigation’s (CBI) Anti-Corruption Branch at Bambolim on 2459971 / 2459972. Meanwhile GOACAN will carry forward its Anti-Corruption Awareness Actions as a special focus in 2011 as part of its Consumer Literacy Campaign activity. -- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa -- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail: *goa...@gmail.com* Visit: *http://goacan.blogspot.com *--
[Goanet] A Cannibal Story
Cannibal story A cannibal was walking through the jungle and came upon a restaurant operated by a fellow cannibal. Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu... Tourist:$5.00 Broiled Missionary: .$7.00 Fried Explorer :$9.00 Freshly Baked Politician: Labour, Liberals, Democrats or Greens:…$150.00 The cannibal called the waiter over and asked, 'Why such a huge price difference for the Politicians?' The cook replied, 'Have you ever tried to clean one? They're so full of shit, it takes the whole morning.' Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
If your family lived in Dharavi how would the CID know? BC Dear Bernado, ??? I see, from your repeated use of "Bombaim", that you are now preparing a one-man expedition to reclaim Mumbai on behalf of Portugal, even though it was ceded to the British hundreds of years ago, before passing back into Indian hands. ??? You say that in the 1950s Goans were forced to give up their Portuguese citizenship if they were to continue living there? In the 50s? My family was there in the fifties, and nobody even questioned our citizenship. It was the same with thousands of other Goans who lived in Bombay: the question of their citizenship did not ever arise.
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Dear Victor, Are you from the Rangel family (Tipografia Rangel) ? I know quite a few members of that family. Thank you very much for your response. I appreciated it very much because you are my father's age and well versed with the internet, which is excellent. With respect Victor, people's experiences are different. Some families never experienced the brutality of the Portuguese and refuse to accept that it existed. Other families never experienced the brutality of the Indians in Bombay and naturally refuse to accept that it existed. So, does that prove that neither of them existed? The episodes related here derive from people's experiences. Each person had different experiences. Regarding censorship, are you aware that some of the letters which were sent from Portugal to Goa via Bombay were being opened and censored pre-1961 and post 1961? It is not me that says it. It is a Goan like you, your age too - Fernando de Noronha - O melhor do meu passado - Terceiro Milenio. Available for sale in Goa. Best regards Paulo Dias -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro Sent: 11 December 2010 06:29 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro Dear Paulo, I do not know how much you really know about India pre-1961, or about conditions in Goa during that period. I was born in Goa in 1925, and grew up in Goa, leaving for Goa in mid-1939. Goa was not the paradise some people claim it was. I was a student at Mater Dei at the time and I remember that one young man, a friend of my brother's, foolishly shouted "Viva Goa" in Mapusa. For that he was arrested, beaten, and had his head shaved. Punished for shouting Viva Goa in Goa itself? I lived in Bombay from 1939 to mid-1956 and never felt that India was not a democracy. For several of those years I was with the newspapers, holding key From: Paulo Colaco Dias To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 9:20:32 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro Thank you Gabriel, those are excellent points for discussion. It would be really nice if we could get the entire episodes regarding Roldao and the difficulties of the Goans in Bombay who were even forced to change their names to succeed in life and to erase their similarities with Portuguese names. It shows what kind of Democratic country the Indian Union was in the post 1947 - 1970 years... And then some of us claim that India got democracy much before Goa, that it was good, that there was freedom of speech, etc, etc. Yeah. Right! All in paper, of course. There is no full freedom of speech in India even today. There are publications and books that are still banned in India today and you can get arrested if caught with a banned book. There are politicians in Goa being arrested and people prevented from exercising their rights to do public demonstrations, etc. That is the democracy in India today. And it is much better today. In the first few years after 1961, it was exactly the same as during Portuguese times, or worse. Goa even had a one entire year of Martial Law post 1961. What an excellent way of welcoming Goa into the motherland. Best regards Paulo. -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel de Figueiredo Sent: 09 December 2010 07:03 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro I hope you can also give a blow-by-blow account of how Roldao was beaten up by the Bombay police and the method of his escape from Bombay to Goa, with his family. Perhaps you could also read about how Goans in Bombay, who resisted the Indian moves to change their attitude towards the Portuguese, were treated, e.g. editors of some prominent Goan publications. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3306 - Release Date: 12/10/10 19:35:00
[Goanet] Song for the day.
Sugartime - Alma Cogan...big hit in Nbi until she passed away, too soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5TsJAyFJc -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Rain, again...
Yes, it rained Wanted to come up on this but forgot despite a reminder by Dr.Bicaji Road are wet and water logging seen in many parts. Met dept. recorded 20.4mm in Mapusa, 19mm Mormugao and Panjim 4mm (TOI) MET also says 'it MAY continue for a couple of days' Before 10th Dec., it also rained on 2nd December (last day of IFFI 2010) Even at Kingfisher Village, they had to wind up 30 minutes earlier due to the rains. It didn’t rain much in Panjim but rained in other places like our place Agassaim etc And before that, it rained on 23rd November 2010 around 11am So far, it’s ben raining in Goa in Oct, Nov and Dec Besides June, July, Aug and Sept. Rain dept to blame (Secretary, under Sec, UDC, LDC, Peon etc) Dr. Bicaji http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQ5jXIpowk = [Goanet] Rain, again... Frederick Noronha fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 23:45:14 PST 2010 No one mentioned how much it rained on the morning of Dec 10 in Goa! FN joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] 2000 year old holy torn tree of Glastonbury, UK is cut down - Daily Mail 10/12/10
I was intrigued by the comment made by Camillo Fernandes that perhaps it was an anti-Christian attack in the United Kingdom. I was particularly interested to know how a Christian symbol came to be in the UK, many years prior to arrival of the religion in that country. Seems to be that the tree was first planted by one of the great uncle of Jesus Christ, who came to the UK after the crucifixion. This great uncle 'thrust his staff into Wearyall Hill, just below the Tor, planting a seed for the original thorn tree.' The website refered to by Camillo says that the tree was felled during the civil war in the UK, which the Wikipedia tells happened some 1600 years later. The webiste also says: "However, locals salvaged the roots of the original tree, hiding it in secret locations around Glastonbury. It was then replanted on the hill in 1951." So the tree that was now felled is actually a 60 year old one. It is also intriguing that Christians do worship trees, as many other cultures do. Best regards, U G Barad
[Goanet] Rain, again...
No one mentioned how much it rained on the morning of Dec 10 in Goa! FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 New books from Goa,1556 http://goa1556.goa-india.org Skin, first Goa edn: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/5243794540/
[Goanet] Press Note
*Press Note* *For Favour of Publication* *TAG to Honour 11 Tiatr Artistes* * * Tiatr Academy Goa will honour 11 tiatr artistes of yester years who have done yomen service to the cause of tiatr. They will be honoured by presenting TAG’s prestigious Award *‘Lifetime Contribution to Tiatr’* at the hands of Shri. Digamber Kamat, Hon’ble Chief Minister of Goa on 14thDecember 2010 at 3:00 pm at Pai Tiatrist Auditorium, Ravindra Bhavan, Margao on the occasion of the celebration of Birth Anniversary of Pai Tiatrist – Joao Agostinho Fernandes. Shri. Titta Pretto, a veteran tiatr artiste of yester years will be the Guest of Honour. The 11 tiatr artistes to be honoured are: Master Vaz, Remmie Colaco, Maria Platilda Afonso e Dias, Anthony Inacio J.D’Souza, John Gomes (Kokoy), Richard Rodrigues (Rico Rod), Alegre Antao alias Star of Arossim, Tony Sax, Fr.Planton Faria, Antonio Moraes, Ronaldo D’Souza alias Paul Rommy Details in brief of the contribution of these artistes are: *Master Vaz* Jose Lawrence Vaz popularly known as Master Vaz is one of the few living artistes who has acted in the tiatrs staged by pioneers in the field namely Pai Tiatrist Joao Agostinho Fernandes, Saib Rocha, Dioguinho D’Mello, Kid Boxer and others. He excelled in female roles. He did not restrict his talents to acting only but soon turned into a fine script writer as well as a lyricist. The lyrics of the opening song of the first Konkani film ‘Mogacho Anvddo’ was composed by him. He also penned the lyrics of another song for the Konkani film ‘Mhoji Ghorkarn’. * * * * * * *Remmie Colaco* His career on tiatr stage began when he was picked up by C.Alvares, J.P.Souzalin, Minguel Rod, Jacinto Vaz, Dioginho D’Melo, John Claro, M.Boyer and others. As there were no female artistes then, he played the lead roles of a female and kept the tiatr stage alive and vibrant. He has grmaphone recors and Audio albums to his credit.** * * *Platilda* Maria Platilda Afonso e Dias alias Comedian Platilda is the Comedy Queen of the Konkani stage. She has acted comedy roles in tiatrs directed by all topmost directors of tiatr stage. She has also acted in Konkani films namely Mhoji Ghorkarn’ and ‘Girestkay’.Comedian Platilda has one gramaphone record of late Shri.Chris Perry to her credit. She has also sung in more than 100 audio and video cassettes/CDs/DVDs. * * * * * * * * *Anthony (Trio King)* Antonio Inacio J.D’ Souza, is the main member of the famed *‘Trio King’* of Konkani stage. The singing trio of ‘Conception-Nelson-Anthony’, was the most sought trio of the Konkani stage. Their political songs, mostly composed by Anthony, have created a lot of awareness among the people during the Konkani language agitation in 1986. ** * * *Star of Arossim* Alegro Roque Theodorio Antao popularly known as Star of Arossim was a multifaceted artiste of Konkni Tiatr stage. He was a writer, a singer, a director, an actor and an excellent bongo player also. He has written and directed 15 tiatrs, acted in hundreds of tiatrs, composed lyrics for the songs of Konkani films. He has several gramaphone records to his credit. He has played bongo & Congo for Hindi music too. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Antonio Moraes* ** * * He has written and directed more than 50 Khell-Tiatrs. He is an excellent player of trumpet, drum and base guitar. He has played music in innumerable Khell-Tiatrs as well as tiatrs directed by the stalwarts of tiatr stage. He has three audio albums to his credit and they are ‘Devacho Ghutt’, ‘Pormolit Fullam’ and ‘Ami Tiatrist’. * * *Fr.Planton Faria* Fr.Planton Faria has written, directed and produced 18 tiatrs besides writing 10 tiatrs which were aired on All India Radio. Fr.Planton Fariahas also contributed largely to Goan Literature. He has written a book on tiatr ‘Xanticho Dutt’. * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tony Sax* Tony Fernandes popularly known as Tony Sax from Vasco, Goa has been an actor with a terrific charisma. Tony Sax has done a variety of roles on the Konkani stage. He has been a hero, a villian, a polished father or a farmer. Tony Sax could do any of these roles with equal ease. Tony Sax has also been a good singer and has composed and sung a lot of solos and duets mostly of the decent type. *Rico Rod* Ricardo Vincent Rodrigues popularly known as Rico Rod is the roly-poly comedian of the Konkani stage.Rico Rod has been an ace composer, a thorough comedian, a very good character actor, a good singer, a playwright and a director, all in one.Rico Rod has recorded many of his songs on H.M.V Records and also on All India Radio. He has produced 3 audio cassettes on his songs. He has also acted in Konkani films ‘Sukhachem Sopon’, ‘Cortubancho Sounsar’ and ‘Mhoji Ghorkarn’. *John Gomes (Kokoy)* John Gomes (Kokoy) has been a very fine composer and a singer. He has composed more than 3000 songs. He has written many tiatrs and sung
[Goanet] Fog in the Fjord
To Goanet - http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2010/12/11/fog-in-the-fjord/ Regards, r
[Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Roland I read with keen interest your extract from the book IN QUEST OF FREEDOM by James Fernandes (Concept Publishing New Delhi). Prof James Fernandes hails from my village and vaddo in Assonora and was a close friend of my father. Sometime back during a discussion on the role of freedom fighters, I had mentioned the name of Prof James Fernandes. However, I was not aware that he had written a book on his experiences. James is a humble and unassuming person and very down to earth. Despite his unfortunate experiences under the Portuguese, he did not seek nor obtain any benefits or concessions as a freedom fighter unlike many others. By dint of hard work, he educated and fended for himself. It would be of immense benefit to all of us if Frederick or Augusto or anyone else could interview him and get his views and perspective on life and state of affairs during Portuguese rule and today and tell us where we have failed or succeeded. Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] "Tolerance isn't good enough" - Rajiv Malhotra in HuffPo
Santosh, It appears I am not a woman of my word. I said you could have the last one and I take that back. First off, I haven't attacked you, I have merely pointed out a reality as I see it - realities maybe distorted. That your particular biases are very obvious in any discussion and your claims to neutrality wear thin. And please spare us the histrionics of how you are being attacked by everyone and how boorish goanet is as a forum. I didn't know who or what Rajiv Malhotra was but I know a stink when I smell one. I don't know how and I don't know why but I have an inbuilt radar for stink, especially of the communal sort which carries the seeming whiff of wordy scholarship but is laced with saffron. So I did a bit of checking on Malhotra and it turns out every article of his is about how the West and Abrahamic religions are harmful to the world and intolerant as opposed to Hinduism. Then I read what others have to say about this so-called inter-faith guru. And here is something very interesting. A frontline article called Non-resident nationalism speaks of Hindus based in America who support far right activities, the Hindutva ideology of supremacy and the insidous ways they operate to spread their message, says this about his initiatives: http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2106/stories/20040326005212700.htm "Anti-Hindu bias" has been declared a major problem in the West, as if this were a concerted interest on the part of the latter. "Eurocentrist" historians and "Marxist-Indian" scholars are claimed to resort to negative stereotypes against Hindus on a systematic basis. Organisations such as the American Hindu Anti-Discrimination League have targeted specific professors whom they accuse of faulty and insulting treatment of Hindu culture. Sangh members ensure that they are on the mailing lists of university seminars and lecture series, lobbying for more pro-Hindu speakers and arriving in large numbers to heckle and catcall selected professors whom they have designated as anti-Hindu. At a recent screening of a documentary on Gujarat at Barnard College in New York last year, the campus police had to be summoned to escort Sangh activists away for disorderly conduct on private premises. Organisations such as the Infinity Foundation in Princeton, New Jersey, set up by a wealthy entrepreneur Rajiv Malhotra, are energetic in seeking to influence student perspectives on Hindu culture, both by direct outreach and by volunteering for teacher-training workshop programmes in city school districts." The more I dug, the worse the situation became. It seems Malhotra was at the head of the Doniger controversy and infact whipped it into a frenzy. You can read a Washington post article on this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?contentId=A334-2004Apr9&pagename=article This is what Doniger has to say about Malhotra: "Doniger blames the Internet campaigns. "Malhotra's ignorant writings have stirred up more passionate emotions in Internet subscribers who know even less than Malhotra does, who do not read books at all," Doniger wrote in an e-mail. "And these people have reacted with violence. I therefore hold him indirectly responsible." It turns out that Malhotra is indeed a hot-favourite, blue-eyed boy for the far-right and often quoted by them. Here is a quote of what Malhotra himself has to say (although he denies being party to any far-right ideology in the same article). "Meanwhile, Indian Marxists and Macaulayites—born again as 'progressives' after the Cold War—dominate India's academe, and often power broker and become strategic allies with western academicians as experts on India. But there are many contradictions in these intellectual sepoys: (i) While many are Subalternists, India's masses, classics and culture are often alien to them, and they disrespect and caricaturize Hinduism in a reductionist Eurocentric way." http://www.barnard.edu/religion/defamation/malhotra.htm So given the taint that Malhotra carries (and you would have known this Santosh) and given your penchant for checking sources, verifying their validity, etc, I am surprised how you didn't make us aware of Malhotra's viewpoint but instead chose to defend him. The two others supporters of Malhotra are Rajan and Barad on goanet. Does that surprise anyone? Now, I've wasted enough of my time. I have a Gauguin exhibition to attend and get back to the Western culture which I am so enthralled by. Best, Selma
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Dear Bernado, I see, from your repeated use of "Bombaim", that you are now preparing a one-man expedition to reclaim Mumbai on behalf of Portugal, even though it was ceded to the British hundreds of years ago, before passing back into Indian hands. You say that in the 1950s Goans were forced to give up their Portuguese citizenship if they were to continue living there? In the 50s? My family was there in the fifties, and nobody even questioned our citizenship. It was the same with thousands of other Goans who lived in Bombay: the question of their citizenship did not ever arise. I am also amazed by your claim that members of your family were jailed for many days "for singing in Portuguese at a party and forced to leave Bombaim." We were a large extended family in Bombay in those days, and we always sang Portuguese, Konkani, and English and Spanish and American songs when we got together. Not one of us was ever arrested for singing in Portuguese, nor were we asked to leave Bombay because of our singing. Yet you say your relatives were jailed for many days for singing! They were even forced to leave the city! Was their singing really that bad? Regards, anyway, Victor From: Bernado Colaco To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 7:10:12 AM Subject: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro Goan publications and their editors were forced to close shop in the 50's in Bombaim. Goans were forced to give up their Portuguese citizenship if they were to continue living there. Members of my family were jailed for many days by the evil Nehru for singing in Portuguese at a party and forced to leave Bombaim. BC I hope you can also give a blow-by-blow account of how Roldao was beaten up by the Bombay police and the method of his escape from Bombay to Goa, with his family. Perhaps you could also read about how Goans in Bombay, who resisted the Indian moves to change their attitude towards the Portuguese, were treated, e.g. editors of some prominent Goan publications.
[Goanet] SUPREME COURT HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE COFFIN
The Supreme Court has rightly expressed concern about the kith and kin of some Allahabad high court judges practicing in the same court. These are fundamental professional ethics that need to be upheld across the entire spectrum of the judiciary. In fact it would be appropriate for lawyers not to even appear before judges with whom they have been close friends or have worked as colleagues or juniors. It is a very uncomfortable and undesirable situation. We have heard of judges recusing themselves from matters. Nothing should stop advocates from saying “Not before me”. The legal profession cannot end up becoming a business venture with court battles stage managed. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Who is Soter Barreto
Interesting debate! Just because "a large number of GCs (Goan Catholics) do not read Konkani in any script, does it imply they should have no preference about the dialect and script (i) which is used to teach their children this language in schools (ii) which is accepted as "official" in contemporary Goa (iii) which is used to judge their efficiency in the language when they sit bofore an interview panel for a government job? FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 11 December 2010 10:10, Sebastian Borges wrote: > Augusto had castigated (if I may say so) Damodar Mauzo for using > the 'Antruzi' dialect in his novel "Sunami Saimon" (Tsunami Simon), > a dialect which is anathema to PKR. I have always debunked the > above-quoted claim of PKR, since I know that a large number of > GCs do not read Konkani in any script
