Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/ Response to Sunith
Roland wrote: Is it any surprise they seek older men? Aristo responds: That's why I go for the Girls, and not the Women, if you know what I mean. Roland wrote: ps: foggies - no such word my son, but we now note you are ageist in addition to being self-admittedly sexist. Aristo responds: Fine, fogies it is. Fogeys too. In case you didn't read my post earlier, I did not admit to being a sexist, but I said I have a number of sexist jokes up my sleeve. Big difference. My views on the fairer sex and sexism can be summed up by an excerpt of an article I wrote last year where the topic came up. Needless to say, my statements refer to the majority of men and women and neglect the exceptions. START OF EXCERPT: ...We, as men, have been forcing an inferiority complex upon the women in the form of repression for millennia (through Religion, Laws and the media), perhaps because of our own deep-seated fears and insecurities. We'd like to think that women are dumb just because they can't read maps and are slightly mathematically challenged (4), but they possess other skills like Multi-tasking, etc. and they can be a lot more practical and shrewd than men can ever hope to be. Respect one's gender. After all, one is not superior to the other; we are just different. These differences complement each other with harmony. Men think of the future, and Women think of here and now. Men think logically and with predictability while Women think intuitively and spontaneously. Men are the dreamers, while Women are the pragmatists. Men have higher I.Q.'s (5) while Women have higher E.Q.'s. Men sow the seeds of life, while Women are the earth, water and light to the plant of life. We make a great team. It is the way Mother Nature built us. Nobody can say it better than Osho (6) himself: Just think of a world where there are only men. It will be so ugly, everywhere Morarji Desai…Morarji Desai…all drinking their urine, nothing else to do. Having said all this, I would also like to say that one should not reduce the other to gender stereotypes. Granted, there are lots of intra-gender similarities, but all are not the same... END OF EXCERPT 4. Steven Pinker vs. Elizabeth Spelke, The Science of Gender and Science, A Debate, http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html 5. British Journal of Psychology, Men have Higher Average I.Q. than Women, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_study_claims_men_have_higher_average_I.Q._than_women 6. Osho, Rising in Love It is a coincidence that within a month after writing this article, I picked up a copy of Allan and Barbara Pease's Book Why Women can't read Maps and Men don't Listen whose central theme was exactly revolving around my excerpt above. I would have surely referenced their books and works in my article had I read it before I wrote the above. Oh and Roland, it is funny that you should call me an ageist, especially after your views on the thread Goanets Three Generations. If I were ageist, I myself wouldn't be debating here with you fogies, which I do enjoy. But I do understand your need to discredit me and other netters, as has been the trend lately. - Mervyn3.0 wrote: Just in case you are not aware of it, what really drives women crazy is when you tell them that you are also good in washing dishes. Believe you me, it works. Every time. Aristo responds: Thanks Mervyn, I'll keep that in mind when the situation arises! Cheers, Aristo. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
On Fri Dec 1 07:35:51 PST 2006, Sunith D Velho wrote: Instead of being condemned to a life of fast food and microwave meals I am now able to cook Goan and Indian food myself(including fish cutlets!). This was unheard of a generation ago RESPONSE: Sunith, its a delight to read you can do better than break an egg and strain the rice. With experimenting you could possibly share some of your recipes with the rest of us. What was unheard of a generation ago ? - You could not cook a meal in your previous generation? - The males in the generations preceding you in your family could not cook a meal? - Goan men of previous generations could not cook a meal ? Best - Bosco T-dot! Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/ Response to Sunith
Certainly Aristo, besides women not being interested in debating foggies(sic) on Goanet, they are also surely not interested in hearing little boys exclaim in wonderment: Oh I cooked rice and dal today and will make sausage and less-burnt pulao tomorrow. or In France they treat you rudely if you don't speak French. Is it any surprise they seek older men? Cheers, Roland. ps: foggies - no such word my son, but we now note you are ageist in addition to being self-admittedly sexist. On 12/3/06, Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I meant to see, (sic) STATISTICALLY, perhaps women are not really interested in debating foggies on Goanet, and will be more content spending their time doing something else. Cheers, Aristo Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Except that Goa is a rather patriarchal society I don't think we've been able to make most women comfortable on Goanet. FN On 03/12/06, lenny dsouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topics out here are just not for one gender, so there should be no reason why woman cannot get into Goanet and play a bigger role. -- FN 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 (phone calls after 1 pm please) FLOSS, geeks, blogs: [http://planet.foss.in/] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/ Response to Sunith
Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless to say, I have a gift, which is yet to be unleashed to its full potential. Hopefully, very soon, I will be able to cook an exquisite romantic dinner for my girl. Girls dig that, as I have come to realise! Aristo, Just in case you are not aware of it, what really drives women crazy is when you tell them that you are also good in washing dishes. Believe you me, it works. Every time. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/ Response to Sunith
Hi Sunith, I hope all is well and the Xacuti or Vindalo did not cause any indigestion. Well it turns out that after all the years of our friendship, there is still a little more to learn about my multi-faceted personality and skill-sets! It is very unfortunate that during the your estranged years of junior college, you completely missed out on Aristo's Saturday Special Omlette Pao which the other boyz did not miss! It was a unique culinary delight where I served my omlette pao along with Chicken Xacuti gravy that my mother used to prepare every Saturday, and a secret ingredient. Now to counter your absurd falsehoods that you are propagating on Goanet that I haven't realised the importance of cooking, I have enclosed proof of my first time with Goan Sausage Peas Pulao: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/312804337 The Sausages were a little burnt and the Pulao was a little dry, but the quantity of salt spices were perfect. The very next Sunday, I managed to perfect my Pulao by adding more tomatoes and NOT burning the sausages by adding more water. Needless to say, I have a gift, which is yet to be unleashed to its full potential. Hopefully, very soon, I will be able to cook an exquisite romantic dinner for my girl. Girls dig that, as I have come to realise! And what is this you say that I live on outside food? Ok, ok, you are right about the Chinese food, but FYI, I now cook Fish Cutlecy at home which I have with Rice and Dal, but I have to admit that I buy readymade cutlets from the supertmarket. Cooking just takes too much time! Jokes apart, my comments early on this thread were light hearted, but while I was not trying to be sexist (even though a large number of my jokes are), I was also not trying to be politically correct. When are we going to accept the Men and Women are fundamentally different. Nothing prevents either gender from doing anything in particular, but we have are strengths and weaknesses, and different interests and priorities. So what I meant to see, STATISTICALLY, perhaps women are not really interested in debating foggies on Goanet, and will be more content spending their time doing something else. Cheers, Aristo. On 12/1/06, Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of being condemned to a life of fast food and microwave meals I am now able to cook Goan and Indian food myself(including fish cutlets!). This was unheard of a generation ago. Even more amazing is that many friends of mine(Aristo not included!) have realised the fact that if you want to eat good food in the future you are going to have to cook it yourself, infact your wife will demand it:)). Many have taken cookery courses from professionals for which they have suffered alot of ridicule from other boys(boys will be boys!). However they say he who laughs last While Aristo has to be content with Sambar Thalis, Chinese Fast Food and McDonalds in Bangalore(until he gets married, he thinks), I am going to enjoy a dinner of Mutton Xacuti tonight or maybe a Pork Vindalho. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Hi All, I also think there should be more woman involved in Goanet, if all the guys would tell their wifes to get involved in Goanet, then there is a chance that they will get their friends to get involved in Goanet, this should be one possible solution, well those who are not married, they can tell their friends who in turn will tell their friends. The topics out here are just not for one gender, so there should be no reason why woman cannot get into Goanet and play a bigger role. Lenny Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
--- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helga, Do you think the right-wing know-alls will allow their womenfolk to see their verbal diarrhoea on Goanet? Perish the thought, they will be exposed in no time! Deep down we're all Indian, dear! No matter whether you're in Goa, Toronto, Toldeo or Timbuktu. Hope that answers your query. Mario observes: RKN, How would a left wing know-nothing, hit and run artist like yourself know what the right wing know-alls would do? Besides, you are flat out wrong as usual, as I, an implacable right-winger, am on the record as repeatedly exhorting and encouraging more women to participate in the debate on Goanet, as even Selma has acknowledged, while all we have seen from you is the gratuitous and meaningless calumny above. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
Helga do Rosario: Where I wonder are the wives and daughters of the many who write so vociferously and often at great leegth! Helga, Do you think the right-wing know-alls will allow their womenfolk to see their verbal diarrhoea on Goanet? Perish the thought, they will be exposed in no time! Deep down we're all Indian, dear! No matter whether you're in Goa, Toronto, Toldeo or Timbuktu. Hope that answers your query. Cheers, RKN Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Hey was there a post going on about loose morals and lack of work ethics and I missed it? I hope it wasn't about me :)) selma -- --- Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why surprised Selma? Are there any women on the 'up to date' list of Great Goan men? Or was a list of Great Goan MEN!? As far as lists are concerned this one had less statistical merit than People Magazine's Sexiest Men Alive! But maybe we can start one for women? Let me put at Number# 1 the much maligned but highly indispensable Goan Maid. The same one that got bashed in the last few posts for her lack of work ethic and loose morals! Helga Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Cornel
Dear Cornel, Having inherited both a mustache and a love of politics from my father I've always wondered about my testosterone levels :)) All flippancy aside though, I think this touches on the larger issue of Goan women still not being encouraged to fully participate in the political and social dialogue affecting their lives. While boys are left in the company of men to talk about the issues of the day, girls are encouraged to help in the kitchen and serve appetizers (also called pattices in Goa). We must raise a generation of pattice-free girls in Goa. Selma -- --- Cornel DaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Selma I reckon we definitely have more than one female Goanetter at present. My question however, is how do we increase the numbers? Regards Cornel Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
Don't worry Selma, all the girls around me in my generation were encouraged to do what they WANTED to do, but boys will be boys, and girls will be girls, we have different interests and priorities. However, none of them can make fish cutlecy for me! Cheers, Aristo. On 11/30/06, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While boys are left in the company of men to talk about the issues of the day, girls are encouraged to help in the kitchen and serve appetizers (also called pattices in Goa). We must raise a generation of pattice-free girls in Goa. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
Just to clear matters Aristo I don't think Goan women living in Goa spend their time making pattice or cutlecy which is what Selma said - seriously or in jest I don't know. If I was living in Goa which I have for the greater part of my life, this forum would have no use for me. Then I probably would have joined realclimate.org or some food and wine blog. Because there I could learn new stuff. So I am not surprised that barring a few, Goan women (living in Goa) do not contribute to our discussions. There are plenty of other Indian discussion groups where topics such as corruption, environment, development and sustainability, religion in the modern world are being discussed. Its not that they don't have anything to say. Women in Goa are doing really well, balancing great careers with family, not an easy feat considering they don't have all the first world facilities like comfortable public transportation, day care etc. I am very impressed at the daughters of my friends who take posts overseas, work for big name companies and are very self assured. At the NIO where I spent two weeks there were women everywhere (apparently they cant find any guys to do fieldwork!!) and they are working toward their doctorates in very interesting fields like paleoclimate, molecular biology and biotechnology. However, I do wonder why Goan women overseas especially from the two biggest communities of Canada and the UK are so absent from this forum which I think is very informative and often entertaining for us expatriates. Where I wonder are the wives and daughters of the many who write so vociferously and often at great leegth! I saw plenty of ladies at Viva Goa!!! I do know a few Goan women living in Canada and the USA - one is very busy with her extremely demanding career but there are also a few who spend a disproportionate amount of time are chatting on the phone about who's getting married to who in Goa and which same caste party is happening next week where they can take inventory of the latest crop of Goan bachelors even though their daughters are not in the marriage market yet Its not my business what anyone does but a few lines would have been welcome! Helga Don't worry Selma, all the girls around me in my generation were encouraged to do what they WANTED to do, but boys will be boys, and girls will be girls, we have different interests and priorities. However, none of them can make fish cutlecy for me! Cheers, Aristo. On 11/30/06, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While boys are left in the company of men to talk about the issues of the day, girls are encouraged to help in the kitchen and serve appetizers (also called pattices in Goa). We Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Why surprised Selma? Are there any women on the 'up to date' list of Great Goan men? Or was a list of Great Goan MEN!? As far as lists are concerned this one had less statistical merit than People Magazine's Sexiest Men Alive! But maybe we can start one for women? Let me put at Number# 1 the much maligned but highly indispensable Goan Maid. The same one that got bashed in the last few posts for her lack of work ethic and loose morals! Helga Dear Sachin, I don't think there are any women on Goanet and as the last surviving member of that now nearly extinct species, let me give you my opinion... Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
On 29/11/06, Cornel DaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Selma I reckon we definitely have more than one female Goanetter at present. My question however, is how do we increase the numbers? Regards Cornel RESPONSE: How about you offer the first Lady to come on to Goanet now, a dinner for two with you as host? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Maybe start another raffle?! Helga Hi Selma I reckon we definitely have more than one female Goanetter at present. My question however, is how do we increase the numbers? Regards Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
