Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[Space A.]

Btw, when this started (see original thread) I compared some main pages of 
websites of popular languages. And you know what? I didn't find stupid 
banner on Java or Rust websites, and on many others. Maybe they were smart 
enough to show it only to US visitors, idk. Anyways, Russ Cox obviously 
thinks that there is no other world, so... 

" To people who object to the banner as too focused on the United States: 
Google and Go both started here, nearly all of the Go team is here, a 
substantial number of Go community members live here, and many others 
travel here for conferences or other reasons. The situation here affects 
gophers worldwide. "

So if you live outside of US, and contributed to the language or ecosystem 
you can literally go to hell, as according to him, only US-related activity 
counts and matters. 

Actually "situation there" does not affect me because I use ABP, but funny 
thing is there is chance that Go will become first programming language 
ever whose website will end up in spam filters.


среда, 17 марта 2021 г. в 21:47:33 UTC+3, Rusco: 

> afaik George Soros is behind the BLM Campaign, this alone justifies 
> removing the banner. From now on the Golang Community should be inclusive 
> and tolerate all political opinions. Seems to be harder than writing speedy 
> go code ... 
>
> On Wednesday, 17 March 2021 at 17:59:52 UTC mortdeus wrote:
>
>> "Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
>> psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
>> professional."
>>
>> Somewhere in the middle, but mostly drunk and extremely aggravated.
>>
>> If what I am saying is annoying you to the point that you want to ban me. 
>> Then just understand that unlike you, I don't get the option to magically 
>> "ban" away the seriously offensive to conservative political ads.
>>
>> Just because you don't understand why BLM "triggers" us. (to use your 
>> terminology) is because you weren't on the other side being persecuted for 
>> your beliefs during this past election. 
>>
>> What's the goal here, to be inclusive to everybody regardless of sex, 
>> race, religion. Or to literally say we draw a line at religion. Because 
>> that is what a political ideology is. Dogma you subscribe to so faithfully 
>> that you convinced you are the only one that is saved and the rest of the 
>> world be damned. 
>>
>> Ban me, because honestly you'd probably be doing me a favor. But like I 
>> mentioned earlier, this is the one issue that is actually heartbreaking to 
>> me. The idea that in order to be a Good Gopher you best vote for Joe Biden.
>>
>> idk im done. ive said all that needed to be said. do what you will, but 
>> just understand that nobody here will have any excuses if it turns out that 
>> the cranks like myself were right in shouting at the top of their lungs 
>> "HEY YOU REAY DONT WANT TO FOLLOW THE RABBIT DOWN THAT HOLE 
>> UNLESS YOU ARE ALICE"
>>
>> You aren't Alice and this story wasn't written with you in mind.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:40:19 PM UTC-5 Kurtis Rader wrote:
>>
>>> Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
>>> psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
>>> professional. Either way I think we've all had quite enough of their rants 
>>> and their behavior warrants banning from this mailing list.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:33 AM mortdeus  wrote:
>>>
 There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you 
 stubborn #&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to 
 why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world. 

 If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were 
 the dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into 
 "Think 
 Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you 
 would all just listen and do. 

 On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it 
> looks. It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to 
> understand, that is extremely important. Way more important than your 
> political concerns. Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the 
> only effective way to implement the change you all claim to be advocates 
> for. That is why it needs to remain unmolested. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, 
>> because somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and 
>> somehow create a miracle of engineering. 
>>
>> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
>> technological solutions.
>>
>> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
>> became essentially 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[Rusco]

afaik George Soros is behind the BLM Campaign, this alone justifies 
removing the banner. From now on the Golang Community should be inclusive 
and tolerate all political opinions. Seems to be harder than writing speedy 
go code ... 

On Wednesday, 17 March 2021 at 17:59:52 UTC mortdeus wrote:

> "Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
> psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
> professional."
>
> Somewhere in the middle, but mostly drunk and extremely aggravated.
>
> If what I am saying is annoying you to the point that you want to ban me. 
> Then just understand that unlike you, I don't get the option to magically 
> "ban" away the seriously offensive to conservative political ads.
>
> Just because you don't understand why BLM "triggers" us. (to use your 
> terminology) is because you weren't on the other side being persecuted for 
> your beliefs during this past election. 
>
> What's the goal here, to be inclusive to everybody regardless of sex, 
> race, religion. Or to literally say we draw a line at religion. Because 
> that is what a political ideology is. Dogma you subscribe to so faithfully 
> that you convinced you are the only one that is saved and the rest of the 
> world be damned. 
>
> Ban me, because honestly you'd probably be doing me a favor. But like I 
> mentioned earlier, this is the one issue that is actually heartbreaking to 
> me. The idea that in order to be a Good Gopher you best vote for Joe Biden.
>
> idk im done. ive said all that needed to be said. do what you will, but 
> just understand that nobody here will have any excuses if it turns out that 
> the cranks like myself were right in shouting at the top of their lungs 
> "HEY YOU REAY DONT WANT TO FOLLOW THE RABBIT DOWN THAT HOLE 
> UNLESS YOU ARE ALICE"
>
> You aren't Alice and this story wasn't written with you in mind.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:40:19 PM UTC-5 Kurtis Rader wrote:
>
>> Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
>> psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
>> professional. Either way I think we've all had quite enough of their rants 
>> and their behavior warrants banning from this mailing list.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:33 AM mortdeus  wrote:
>>
>>> There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you 
>>> stubborn #&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to 
>>> why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world. 
>>>
>>> If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were 
>>> the dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into "Think 
>>> Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you 
>>> would all just listen and do. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>>
 I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it 
 looks. It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to 
 understand, that is extremely important. Way more important than your 
 political concerns. Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the 
 only effective way to implement the change you all claim to be advocates 
 for. That is why it needs to remain unmolested. 

 On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, 
> because somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and 
> somehow create a miracle of engineering. 
>
> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
> technological solutions.
>
> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
> became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 
>
> And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically 
> different technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have 
> been 
> done 20 years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. 
> Every device you use would be connected with every device everybody else 
> uses. A lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even 
> facebook, twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we 
> simply just kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our 
> utopian computation destiny. 
>
> The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed 
> to take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior 
> to 
> Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 
> 75% 
> of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT 
> GET 
> THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 
>
> Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason 
> why plan 9 failed is because it 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

"Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
professional."

Somewhere in the middle, but mostly drunk and extremely aggravated.

If what I am saying is annoying you to the point that you want to ban me. 
Then just understand that unlike you, I don't get the option to magically 
"ban" away the seriously offensive to conservative political ads.

Just because you don't understand why BLM "triggers" us. (to use your 
terminology) is because you weren't on the other side being persecuted for 
your beliefs during this past election. 

What's the goal here, to be inclusive to everybody regardless of sex, race, 
religion. Or to literally say we draw a line at religion. Because that is 
what a political ideology is. Dogma you subscribe to so faithfully that you 
convinced you are the only one that is saved and the rest of the world be 
damned. 

Ban me, because honestly you'd probably be doing me a favor. But like I 
mentioned earlier, this is the one issue that is actually heartbreaking to 
me. The idea that in order to be a Good Gopher you best vote for Joe Biden.

idk im done. ive said all that needed to be said. do what you will, but 
just understand that nobody here will have any excuses if it turns out that 
the cranks like myself were right in shouting at the top of their lungs 
"HEY YOU REAY DONT WANT TO FOLLOW THE RABBIT DOWN THAT HOLE 
UNLESS YOU ARE ALICE"

You aren't Alice and this story wasn't written with you in mind.


On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:40:19 PM UTC-5 Kurtis Rader wrote:

> Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of 
> psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health 
> professional. Either way I think we've all had quite enough of their rants 
> and their behavior warrants banning from this mailing list.
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:33 AM mortdeus  wrote:
>
>> There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you 
>> stubborn #&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to 
>> why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world. 
>>
>> If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were the 
>> dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into "Think 
>> Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you 
>> would all just listen and do. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>
>>> I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it looks. 
>>> It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to understand, that 
>>> is extremely important. Way more important than your political concerns. 
>>> Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the only effective way to 
>>> implement the change you all claim to be advocates for. That is why it 
>>> needs to remain unmolested. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>>
 No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, 
 because somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and 
 somehow create a miracle of engineering. 

 In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
 technological solutions.

 Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
 became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 

 And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically 
 different technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been 
 done 20 years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. 
 Every device you use would be connected with every device everybody else 
 uses. A lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even 
 facebook, twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we 
 simply just kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our 
 utopian computation destiny. 

 The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed 
 to take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to 
 Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 
 75% 
 of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT 
 GET 
 THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 

 Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason 
 why plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over 
 Unix, because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. 
 It's literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap 
 $1500 reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people 
 care about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the 
 bank.)

 The point is that plan 9 is literally the 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[Kurtis Rader]

Ian, This individual is either trolling us or suffering some sort of
psychological crisis that warrants intervention by a mental health
professional. Either way I think we've all had quite enough of their rants
and their behavior warrants banning from this mailing list.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:33 AM mortdeus  wrote:

> There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you
> stubborn #&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to
> why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world.
>
> If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were the
> dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into "Think
> Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you
> would all just listen and do.
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it looks.
>> It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to understand, that
>> is extremely important. Way more important than your political concerns.
>> Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the only effective way to
>> implement the change you all claim to be advocates for. That is why it
>> needs to remain unmolested.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>
>>> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa,
>>> because somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and
>>> somehow create a miracle of engineering.
>>>
>>> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient
>>> technological solutions.
>>>
>>> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and
>>> became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world.
>>>
>>> And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically
>>> different technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been
>>> done 20 years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations.
>>> Every device you use would be connected with every device everybody else
>>> uses. A lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even
>>> facebook, twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we
>>> simply just kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our
>>> utopian computation destiny.
>>>
>>> The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed
>>> to take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to
>>> Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 75%
>>> of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT GET
>>> THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma.
>>>
>>> Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason why
>>> plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over Unix,
>>> because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. It's
>>> literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap $1500
>>> reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people care
>>> about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the bank.)
>>>
>>> The point is that plan 9 is literally the tesla roadster, but because
>>> everybody is pretty used to their Ford Model T, they don't change to the
>>> obviously optimal "technological progression" that paves the way to even
>>> greater innovations like who knows jetson esque flying cars.
>>>
>>> Go is a miracle because somehow it is an actually "beautiful" Unix hack
>>> in the sense that the mad scientists here have somehow managed to bring all
>>> the tesla perks to the model T you already own, and not only have we saved
>>> the world from climate chain, but it literally was free of cost.
>>>
>>> Its not the greatest metaphor, but my point is that if I had to choose
>>> between burning the Mona Lisa or cp -r * all the goroots in the world, and
>>> I only considered the merit of which work of art is the greater testament
>>> to the potential of humanity (and why the aliens should ultimately retain
>>> faith in us and spare us despite all the horrors they would witness if they
>>> decided to touched down now); obviously I would burn the bitch.
>>>
>>> And I don't say that lightly because I view Davinci as literally the
>>> role model every engineer should aspire to become a poor imitation of. But
>>> still his magnus opus doesn't even come close to how much more beautiful Go
>>> is in comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5 Carla Pfaff wrote:
>>>
 It's not an uncommon practice for teams that run a public website to
 raise awareness for a good cause, usually by supporting fundraising for a
 social nonprofit charitable organization. Some choose a children's cancer
 charity or the Wikimedia foundation, this is what the Go team chose. This
 does not mean that other issues in the world are not 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

Steve Jobs is literally on tape saying he doesn't believe in equality of 
outcome, only equality of opportunity. 

Therefore respect his ghost, and get rid of the stupid ad. That's the least 
you owe him for making unix at least look sexy. It might not perform all 
that well in bed (though with a little Go who knows ;) ) but who needs 
skill when its so hot its over before it even really began. 

Everybody is saying it's "common" for organizations to advocate for 
political agendas. 

Who? Start from the top of the most important open source communities and 
post pictures of them supporting black lives matter riots, and frankly ill 
shut up to Ian's great relief.  
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:32:42 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you 
> stubborn #&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to 
> why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world. 
>
> If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were the 
> dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into "Think 
> Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you 
> would all just listen and do. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it looks. 
>> It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to understand, that 
>> is extremely important. Way more important than your political concerns. 
>> Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the only effective way to 
>> implement the change you all claim to be advocates for. That is why it 
>> needs to remain unmolested. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>
>>> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, 
>>> because somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and 
>>> somehow create a miracle of engineering. 
>>>
>>> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
>>> technological solutions.
>>>
>>> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
>>> became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 
>>>
>>> And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically 
>>> different technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been 
>>> done 20 years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. 
>>> Every device you use would be connected with every device everybody else 
>>> uses. A lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even 
>>> facebook, twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we 
>>> simply just kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our 
>>> utopian computation destiny. 
>>>
>>> The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed 
>>> to take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to 
>>> Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 75% 
>>> of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT GET 
>>> THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 
>>>
>>> Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason why 
>>> plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over Unix, 
>>> because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. It's 
>>> literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap $1500 
>>> reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people care 
>>> about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the bank.)
>>>
>>> The point is that plan 9 is literally the tesla roadster, but because 
>>> everybody is pretty used to their Ford Model T, they don't change to the 
>>> obviously optimal "technological progression" that paves the way to even 
>>> greater innovations like who knows jetson esque flying cars. 
>>>
>>> Go is a miracle because somehow it is an actually "beautiful" Unix hack 
>>> in the sense that the mad scientists here have somehow managed to bring all 
>>> the tesla perks to the model T you already own, and not only have we saved 
>>> the world from climate chain, but it literally was free of cost. 
>>>
>>> Its not the greatest metaphor, but my point is that if I had to choose 
>>> between burning the Mona Lisa or cp -r * all the goroots in the world, and 
>>> I only considered the merit of which work of art is the greater testament 
>>> to the potential of humanity (and why the aliens should ultimately retain 
>>> faith in us and spare us despite all the horrors they would witness if they 
>>> decided to touched down now); obviously I would burn the bitch. 
>>>
>>> And I don't say that lightly because I view Davinci as literally the 
>>> role model every engineer should aspire to become a poor imitation of. But 
>>> still his magnus opus doesn't even come close to how much more beautiful Go 
>>> is in comparison. 
>>>
>>>

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

There is a reason why Steve Jobs spent all the day, yelling at you stubborn 
#&@#s for not getting why Bob Dylan is an essential component to why Apple 
is now the most valuable company in the world. 

If what I am saying sounds crazy, just know you thought my ideas were the 
dopest ideas in SV when he crammed everything I just said ^ into "Think 
Different" and had the cult of personality thing going for him, so you 
would all just listen and do. 

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it looks. 
> It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to understand, that 
> is extremely important. Way more important than your political concerns. 
> Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the only effective way to 
> implement the change you all claim to be advocates for. That is why it 
> needs to remain unmolested. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, because 
>> somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and somehow 
>> create a miracle of engineering. 
>>
>> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
>> technological solutions.
>>
>> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
>> became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 
>>
>> And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically 
>> different technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been 
>> done 20 years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. 
>> Every device you use would be connected with every device everybody else 
>> uses. A lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even 
>> facebook, twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we 
>> simply just kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our 
>> utopian computation destiny. 
>>
>> The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed to 
>> take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to 
>> Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 75% 
>> of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT GET 
>> THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 
>>
>> Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason why 
>> plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over Unix, 
>> because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. It's 
>> literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap $1500 
>> reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people care 
>> about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the bank.)
>>
>> The point is that plan 9 is literally the tesla roadster, but because 
>> everybody is pretty used to their Ford Model T, they don't change to the 
>> obviously optimal "technological progression" that paves the way to even 
>> greater innovations like who knows jetson esque flying cars. 
>>
>> Go is a miracle because somehow it is an actually "beautiful" Unix hack 
>> in the sense that the mad scientists here have somehow managed to bring all 
>> the tesla perks to the model T you already own, and not only have we saved 
>> the world from climate chain, but it literally was free of cost. 
>>
>> Its not the greatest metaphor, but my point is that if I had to choose 
>> between burning the Mona Lisa or cp -r * all the goroots in the world, and 
>> I only considered the merit of which work of art is the greater testament 
>> to the potential of humanity (and why the aliens should ultimately retain 
>> faith in us and spare us despite all the horrors they would witness if they 
>> decided to touched down now); obviously I would burn the bitch. 
>>
>> And I don't say that lightly because I view Davinci as literally the role 
>> model every engineer should aspire to become a poor imitation of. But still 
>> his magnus opus doesn't even come close to how much more beautiful Go is in 
>> comparison. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5 Carla Pfaff wrote:
>>
>>> It's not an uncommon practice for teams that run a public website to 
>>> raise awareness for a good cause, usually by supporting fundraising for a 
>>> social nonprofit charitable organization. Some choose a children's cancer 
>>> charity or the Wikimedia foundation, this is what the Go team chose. This 
>>> does not mean that other issues in the world are not important.
>>>
>>> The Go project has never been a sterile place, it always had a personal 
>>> touch from its creators, see for example the cute gopher drawings. It's 
>>> also not a science centric community (btw, science is political too, always 
>>> has been) nor is the Go website the Mona Lisa.
>>>
>>

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

I literally don't want the banner because I don't like the way it looks. 
It's really like an ocd thing for me. And you all need to understand, that 
is extremely important. Way more important than your political concerns. 
Because like I said, a tool like this is honestly the only effective way to 
implement the change you all claim to be advocates for. That is why it 
needs to remain unmolested. 

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:26:19 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, because 
> somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and somehow 
> create a miracle of engineering. 
>
> In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
> technological solutions.
>
> Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
> became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 
>
> And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically different 
> technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been done 20 
> years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. Every 
> device you use would be connected with every device everybody else uses. A 
> lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even facebook, 
> twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we simply just 
> kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our utopian 
> computation destiny. 
>
> The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed to 
> take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to 
> Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 75% 
> of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT GET 
> THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 
>
> Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason why 
> plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over Unix, 
> because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. It's 
> literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap $1500 
> reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people care 
> about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the bank.)
>
> The point is that plan 9 is literally the tesla roadster, but because 
> everybody is pretty used to their Ford Model T, they don't change to the 
> obviously optimal "technological progression" that paves the way to even 
> greater innovations like who knows jetson esque flying cars. 
>
> Go is a miracle because somehow it is an actually "beautiful" Unix hack in 
> the sense that the mad scientists here have somehow managed to bring all 
> the tesla perks to the model T you already own, and not only have we saved 
> the world from climate chain, but it literally was free of cost. 
>
> Its not the greatest metaphor, but my point is that if I had to choose 
> between burning the Mona Lisa or cp -r * all the goroots in the world, and 
> I only considered the merit of which work of art is the greater testament 
> to the potential of humanity (and why the aliens should ultimately retain 
> faith in us and spare us despite all the horrors they would witness if they 
> decided to touched down now); obviously I would burn the bitch. 
>
> And I don't say that lightly because I view Davinci as literally the role 
> model every engineer should aspire to become a poor imitation of. But still 
> his magnus opus doesn't even come close to how much more beautiful Go is in 
> comparison. 
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5 Carla Pfaff wrote:
>
>> It's not an uncommon practice for teams that run a public website to 
>> raise awareness for a good cause, usually by supporting fundraising for a 
>> social nonprofit charitable organization. Some choose a children's cancer 
>> charity or the Wikimedia foundation, this is what the Go team chose. This 
>> does not mean that other issues in the world are not important.
>>
>> The Go project has never been a sterile place, it always had a personal 
>> touch from its creators, see for example the cute gopher drawings. It's 
>> also not a science centric community (btw, science is political too, always 
>> has been) nor is the Go website the Mona Lisa.
>>
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

No Go is literally a 1000x bigger achievement than the Mona Lisa, because 
somehow we managed to get a bunch of people to come together and somehow 
create a miracle of engineering. 

In a perfect world, where the market also adopts the most efficient 
technological solutions.

Plan 9 should have been the operating system that ruled the Earth and 
became essentially what Linux is today. The OS that runs the world. 

And if that did actually happen, we'd honestly be a dramatically different 
technological landscape. Essentially the "cloud" would have been done 20 
years earlier and it wouldn't be owned by big tech corporations. Every 
device you use would be connected with every device everybody else uses. A 
lot of ugly unix hacks like docker, filecoin, dropbox, hell even facebook, 
twitter etc wouldn't actually exist like they do today if we simply just 
kept letting Rob Pike and Ken Thompson lead the way to our utopian 
computation destiny. 

The reason why I say Go is a miracle, is because some how they managed to 
take most of the truly revolutionary ideas that made plan 9 superior to 
Unix in every way, and basically give unix a huge buff that makes about 75% 
of the serious grievances we suffer from being stuck in a "HELP WE CANT GET 
THE WORLD TO MOVE ON FROM UNIX"  dilemma. 

Rob has a really important paper talking about this where the reason why 
plan 9 failed is because it wasn't a "big" enough improvement over Unix, 
because its not like Ford introducing the car to replace the horse. It's 
literally like trying to convince the world to replace their cheap $1500 
reused sedan for a Tesla model 3 when the only thing 99% of people care 
about is whether they can get to work everyday (without breaking the bank.)

The point is that plan 9 is literally the tesla roadster, but because 
everybody is pretty used to their Ford Model T, they don't change to the 
obviously optimal "technological progression" that paves the way to even 
greater innovations like who knows jetson esque flying cars. 

Go is a miracle because somehow it is an actually "beautiful" Unix hack in 
the sense that the mad scientists here have somehow managed to bring all 
the tesla perks to the model T you already own, and not only have we saved 
the world from climate chain, but it literally was free of cost. 

Its not the greatest metaphor, but my point is that if I had to choose 
between burning the Mona Lisa or cp -r * all the goroots in the world, and 
I only considered the merit of which work of art is the greater testament 
to the potential of humanity (and why the aliens should ultimately retain 
faith in us and spare us despite all the horrors they would witness if they 
decided to touched down now); obviously I would burn the bitch. 

And I don't say that lightly because I view Davinci as literally the role 
model every engineer should aspire to become a poor imitation of. But still 
his magnus opus doesn't even come close to how much more beautiful Go is in 
comparison. 





  

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5 Carla Pfaff wrote:

> It's not an uncommon practice for teams that run a public website to raise 
> awareness for a good cause, usually by supporting fundraising for a social 
> nonprofit charitable organization. Some choose a children's cancer charity 
> or the Wikimedia foundation, this is what the Go team chose. This does not 
> mean that other issues in the world are not important.
>
> The Go project has never been a sterile place, it always had a personal 
> touch from its creators, see for example the cute gopher drawings. It's 
> also not a science centric community (btw, science is political too, always 
> has been) nor is the Go website the Mona Lisa.
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

['Carla Pfaff' via golang-nuts]

It's not an uncommon practice for teams that run a public website to raise 
awareness for a good cause, usually by supporting fundraising for a social 
nonprofit charitable organization. Some choose a children's cancer charity 
or the Wikimedia foundation, this is what the Go team chose. This does not 
mean that other issues in the world are not important.

The Go project has never been a sterile place, it always had a personal 
touch from its creators, see for example the cute gopher drawings. It's 
also not a science centric community (btw, science is political too, always 
has been) nor is the Go website the Mona Lisa.

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[Ian Lance Taylor]

I count sixteen messages from you in this thread.  Please stop.

Ian

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

Don't just talk shit, post evidence that explains why your shit doesn't 
technically stink just as bad as everybody elses. Because my shit smells 
like roses, and therefore you should all be forced to endure it, because I 
am the change you are too chicken shit to be (but sure as hell will talk a 
huge game because it will get you a couple new twitter followers)



On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 12:00:46 PM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> This is why my opinion alone should carry more weight than all of yours 
> combined. 
>
> Take the stupid ad down, and instead lets promote a culture that actually 
> works to address the issues of poverty using the tools we actually built.
>
> Why give money to a charity, when you can pour that money into something 
> WE CAN BUILD that aims to communicate to the world that it's really f'n 
> easy to replicate our success. 
>
> Like I said im a total loser. Too ADHD and weirdly insecure to actually 
> pursue any of the opportunities.
>
> But the point is that the opportunities came to me. Politicians can't give 
> anybody that kind of stupid convenience. 
>
> We can. That is why we need to be above political messaging. We don't want 
> to fuck up what we somehow stumbled upon and this is literally threatening 
> to do just that, because im not going to use the language until it's gone 
> and frankly i wont be the only veteran around here who will slowly lose 
> faith in the language each and every time they go to golang and they are 
> like "ahhh fuck, this dumb shit again?"
>
> Its literally dumb shit, and if I haven't convinced you of that, then 
> PROVE IT. 
>
> Propose a better solution. Prove that the dollars we all collectively gave 
> to EJI since this banner was posted has helped more Black People than 
> Mortdeus, the republican crank who annoys the shit out of google engineers, 
> has. 
>
> Sincerely you only need to find data to suggest that they've helped pull 
> like 2-3 black people out of poverty thanks to all of your "compassionate" 
> investments. 
>
>   
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> No wonder the rest of the world thinks were complete ignorant assholes. 
>>
>> How about this, if black lives matter, how about we replace the charity 
>> link with a religious missionary that specifically aims to feed and 
>> vaccinate starving children in Africa using a purely volunteer based 
>> workforce. 
>>
>> Because you want to know what the big difference between giving money to 
>> a charity and giving money to a mission is? 
>>
>> Literally about 90% difference in the actual dollars being given actually 
>> being spent on the cause you think you are buying into. 
>>
>> You don't have to be a rocket scientist (though maybe a business major) 
>> to understand that even if you are a "non-profit" literally everybody in 
>> your organization is being paid a GUESS WHAT! YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT IM 
>> ABOUT TO SAY! 
>>
>> profit. And the majority of all business expenses (regardless of IRS 
>> classification) goes to GUESS WHAT AGAIN, employee compensation. 
>>
>> Every dollar you give to the equal justice initiative, like $0.01 goes to 
>> shockingly not a politician (because then perhaps it might actually do some 
>> good for somebody somewhere). It goes to WHO THE HELL KNOWS? I looked up 
>> their "charity grade" whenever i first saw the banner and was curious if 
>> this was going to the democrats (like the majority of all donations to BLM 
>> went, they didn't invest in small business for black americans, they 
>> literally bought Biden ad time in key battleground municipalities, how does 
>> that taste?) 
>>
>> Shockingly, they don't give to politicians. So who the hell are they 
>> giving their money too? 
>>
>> Hmmm lets think about this, how do you get "equal justice" in a society 
>> where the very meaning of justice is defined by government passing 
>> legislation 
>>
>> Ohhh. 
>>
>> They lobby it.
>>
>> Because I ensure you that the money doesn't go to "informing" black 
>> americans that even if they are a high school drop, if all they did was 
>> learn say the go programming language, and really do absolutely nothing 
>> significant, they can literally pull themselves out of their poverty. 
>>
>> Case in point. 
>>
>> This link shows all the job interview requests I received UNSOLICITED 
>> (meaning I didn't reach out to anybody) strictly because I decided to learn 
>> Go. A resource that is freely available to anybody with a internet 
>> connected device. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RmHJyiX8sQmPTE6S7 
>>
>> Don't you all realize that we are FAR more powerful than the politicians, 
>> the charities, the journalists, the think tanks, the CEOs on Wall Street, 
>> the CEOs on Main Street, Hollywood, China, Russia, the entire European 
>> Union and the cautionary tale we need to be very observant of the UK that 
>> just brexited 
>>
>> We as a whole created something that can give a loser like me all the 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

This is why my opinion alone should carry more weight than all of yours 
combined. 

Take the stupid ad down, and instead lets promote a culture that actually 
works to address the issues of poverty using the tools we actually built.

Why give money to a charity, when you can pour that money into something WE 
CAN BUILD that aims to communicate to the world that it's really f'n easy 
to replicate our success. 

Like I said im a total loser. Too ADHD and weirdly insecure to actually 
pursue any of the opportunities.

But the point is that the opportunities came to me. Politicians can't give 
anybody that kind of stupid convenience. 

We can. That is why we need to be above political messaging. We don't want 
to fuck up what we somehow stumbled upon and this is literally threatening 
to do just that, because im not going to use the language until it's gone 
and frankly i wont be the only veteran around here who will slowly lose 
faith in the language each and every time they go to golang and they are 
like "ahhh fuck, this dumb shit again?"

Its literally dumb shit, and if I haven't convinced you of that, then PROVE 
IT. 

Propose a better solution. Prove that the dollars we all collectively gave 
to EJI since this banner was posted has helped more Black People than 
Mortdeus, the republican crank who annoys the shit out of google engineers, 
has. 

Sincerely you only need to find data to suggest that they've helped pull 
like 2-3 black people out of poverty thanks to all of your "compassionate" 
investments. 

  
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> No wonder the rest of the world thinks were complete ignorant assholes. 
>
> How about this, if black lives matter, how about we replace the charity 
> link with a religious missionary that specifically aims to feed and 
> vaccinate starving children in Africa using a purely volunteer based 
> workforce. 
>
> Because you want to know what the big difference between giving money to a 
> charity and giving money to a mission is? 
>
> Literally about 90% difference in the actual dollars being given actually 
> being spent on the cause you think you are buying into. 
>
> You don't have to be a rocket scientist (though maybe a business major) to 
> understand that even if you are a "non-profit" literally everybody in your 
> organization is being paid a GUESS WHAT! YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT IM ABOUT TO 
> SAY! 
>
> profit. And the majority of all business expenses (regardless of IRS 
> classification) goes to GUESS WHAT AGAIN, employee compensation. 
>
> Every dollar you give to the equal justice initiative, like $0.01 goes to 
> shockingly not a politician (because then perhaps it might actually do some 
> good for somebody somewhere). It goes to WHO THE HELL KNOWS? I looked up 
> their "charity grade" whenever i first saw the banner and was curious if 
> this was going to the democrats (like the majority of all donations to BLM 
> went, they didn't invest in small business for black americans, they 
> literally bought Biden ad time in key battleground municipalities, how does 
> that taste?) 
>
> Shockingly, they don't give to politicians. So who the hell are they 
> giving their money too? 
>
> Hmmm lets think about this, how do you get "equal justice" in a society 
> where the very meaning of justice is defined by government passing 
> legislation 
>
> Ohhh. 
>
> They lobby it.
>
> Because I ensure you that the money doesn't go to "informing" black 
> americans that even if they are a high school drop, if all they did was 
> learn say the go programming language, and really do absolutely nothing 
> significant, they can literally pull themselves out of their poverty. 
>
> Case in point. 
>
> This link shows all the job interview requests I received UNSOLICITED 
> (meaning I didn't reach out to anybody) strictly because I decided to learn 
> Go. A resource that is freely available to anybody with a internet 
> connected device. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RmHJyiX8sQmPTE6S7 
>
> Don't you all realize that we are FAR more powerful than the politicians, 
> the charities, the journalists, the think tanks, the CEOs on Wall Street, 
> the CEOs on Main Street, Hollywood, China, Russia, the entire European 
> Union and the cautionary tale we need to be very observant of the UK that 
> just brexited 
>
> We as a whole created something that can give a loser like me all the 
> economic opportunities in the world despite the fact that I DIDNT MAKE IT 
> PAST MY SOPHOMORE YEAR. 
>
> Don't you understand why keeping this project pure of all negative outside 
> influences is important to solving the real systemic issue of POVERTY?
>
> The government can't wave a magic wand and pass a law that fixes the 
> problem of optimal resource allocation for 7 billion people. 
>
> But i will tell you, WE CAN DO BETTER. 
>
> So why the hell would we ever allow their stupid ideas to pollute what is 
> already pure and brilliant here? 
>
> If 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

Just read your thread. 

Don't you like how everybody just completely ignored your opening argument 
that there is a place for politics and there is a place for purity?

They are literally arguing that when you open a science book for say a 
topic like biology and lets say the authors (who are totally in their right 
by their way, because it's their book and you can't believe in the first 
amendment if you don't let them write whatever they believe) insert a new 
chapter at the beginning that is all about "white's historical (and 
generally overlooked) racism against blacks in American society and why 
that technically affects living creatures and therefore is provably 
scientifically relevant to biology students, not just socioeconomic 
majors", 

The point is plain and simple, golang.org is like the mona lisa. It's a 
work of art. You don't spray paint BLM on what's already considered a 
masterpiece because you want to send a message to the world that black 
lives matter (so long as you are black Americans and you don't bring up the 
fact that by far the cause of most unnatural black deaths in America is 
conducted by another black american and primarily because they don't agree 
on what black people's favorite color should be)   


Yes if you spray paint #BLM on the Mona Lisa its going to piss me the #&$@ 
off. If you spray paint #breastcancerawareness on the mona lisa, im 
literally going to pray that you are one of the few male's who get breast 
cancer and die. If you spray paint #NotMyPresident on one of Hitler's 
paintings, im literally going to wish a holocaust upon you and your entire 
family. 

Why? Because purity of art and engineer is 
far 
more important than whatever the current political fad is. 

25 years ago congress and the rest of America unanimously agreed that gay 
marriage aught to be banned. The democrat party literally pushed for the 
primary sponsor of the bill to have the honor of getting her name written 
down in the history books that will be written from now until pretty much 
armegeddon (which apparently might come sooner than we think if we keep 
promoting the seriously retarded idea like the notion of a universal moral 
superiority within groups like this where it is absolutely most important 
we remain objective. Were literally the architects paving the way of the 
future. Not the politicians...)

The leaders of the democrat party have been literally the same people for 
the last 35 years, and they were deeply offended when a black man came out 
of nowhere and disrupted the well understood "pecking order" when it comes 
to who in congress gets to decide to drop bombs on next. 

These are the people you want to entrust the well being of black America 
too? 

You know what i find so funny. Is that very rarely, do you ever find black 
people actually leading these arguments. Name 5 liberal BLACK proponents of 
BLM that you actually pay attention to on Youtube. 

Because I can name 5 "uncle toms" (literally the only more insulting thing 
than a white person calling a black person the N word is a black person 
calling another black person a sellout, especially when none of them 
actually read the damn book to understand the damn morale of the story...) 

Literally every day, 22,000 children die in the world due to poverty, most 
of them being African children. If black lives matter so much to everybody 
here, then why the hell are you advocating to send your money to a charity 
that pays it's CEOs $100,000 every year, when that money could literally 
feed 1,000 kids who are in absolute agony for a year. 

The problem is that black lives dont matter to any of you because you can't 
even conceptualize the reality that your world view IS NOT A SOLUTION. 

This is a programming language. The last thing we want to do is hang a huge 
banner on our front page that says "HEY WERE TRYING TO APPEASE THE WOKE MOB 
AND KEEP OUR JOBS BUT DONT WORRY WE WILL MAKE SURE WE DONT ACTUALLY SOLVE 
ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS AND THAT OUR BOSSES WILL BE HAPPY BECAUSE WE 
REELECTED POLITICIANS WHO WILL RAISE TAXES AND THUS MAKE IT VIRTUALLY 1000X 
HARDER FOR BLACK PEOPLE OR ANY RACE FOR THAT MATTER TO WORK THEIR WAY UP 
THE ECONOMIC LADDER WHERE THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE CREATIVE ENOUGH TO 
KEEP -- THEIR -- JOBS". 

Screw you all and the politically correct (and expensively trained) horse 
you rode in on.

You literally spray painted "HEY, were a bunch of morons" and that the rest 
of world should never use Go.  

@ian_lance_taylor
  
NOW you may lock this thread. (though i am curious why promote the message 
in the first place and thus invite the obvious toxicity if you aren't going 
to allow us to debate what is actual lines of code in an opensource 
project. Has woke censorship gotten so f'n crazy that were no longer to 
debate what code deserves to be in the repo? Need I remind you what killed 
plan 9? Need I also remind 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

you think you know how to protest and get dramatic "total 180 turn-around" 
results? wait until you see what i can do with a silly sense of humor and a 
high karma rating on ycombinator news *cracks knuckles* 

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 9:00:41 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> somebody else wrote.* 
>
> Sigh Its time to go to bed, so i can get up in the morning and implement 
> my masterplan if by then the powers that be in this forum haven't bent to 
> my will and restored the goverse to it's rightful balance
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:57:53 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> Im just saying you can literally justify a fork of the language where the 
>> only change is to remove this ad from the website code, and everything else 
>> is just a mirror and the readme is "the pogo programming language, 
>> literally just Go but with the dumb political shit taken out" 
>>
>> And that fork would get 10k likes on github guaranteed.
>>
>> And yes that is a threat and a theory I so want to test so that I end up 
>> getting another article written about me in theregister for literally doing 
>> nothing but reposting code somebody else where everybody can actually see 
>> it in literally not even that clever of a way.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2013/03/06/github_ancient_c_repository/ 
>>   
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>>
>>> You know what, I just thought of the best analogy to put this argument 
>>> to rest.
>>>
>>> About 10 years ago, when go v1.0 first came out, I like many of the 
>>> familiar faces in this thread, absolutely fell in love with the language. 
>>> It was literally like a goldilocks "this one is juust right" moment for 
>>> me after being totally disgruntled with all the trade offs you had to 
>>> suffer with when trying to deal with when trying to learn python, C#, C++, 
>>> and C. (at the time i had only been programming for about a year) 
>>>
>>> Since I was a noob hacker, I couldn't contribute to the code in any 
>>> useful way other than to propose a few bad ideas that eventually did end up 
>>> getting implemented years down the road. (especially the idea im about to 
>>> talk about) 
>>>
>>> One of my bad ideas was that I wanted to create a badge that people 
>>> could post on their websites they used Go to build, as a means to let the 
>>> world know that they support the language. The general idea being that the 
>>> more people who see cool websites being built with Go, the more people 
>>> would adopt the language. 
>>>
>>> So I tried to submit a merge request where the front page had these 
>>> three buttons at the bottom of the page. 
>>> [image: 2 - SwkPj - white gopher.png][image: 3 - 5w0lx - blue 
>>> gopher.png][image: 1 - 47bgL.png] 
>>>
>>> And Russ Cox shot me down (for good reason) because while he understood 
>>> my argument that they should be right there out in front so that everybody 
>>> knows to actually use them, his argument was better because he pointed out 
>>> that the main reason why Go rocks is because the front page is minimalistic 
>>> and as bare bones as possible. He pointed out that other popular language's 
>>> front pages were absolutely cluttered with a bunch of non essential and 
>>> somewhat irrelevant information that is bettered suited to say a wiki, 
>>> rather than being forced upon everybody's eyeballs every time they 
>>> navigated to go's landing page.
>>>
>>> Of course he is correct and honestly he taught me one of the most 
>>> important lessons that day because despite the fact that my intentions were 
>>> good and my "theory" was ultimately sound, that doesn't mean the decision 
>>> is inline with what we were calling "idiomatic go" in terms of what is 
>>> considered quality engineering and what is considered unnecessary bloat.
>>>
>>> The point is that this political banner, (that I just discovered also 
>>> plagues the pkg.go.dev site) is literally a million times worse, under 
>>> those very same principles, Russ Cox pointed out than my proposal. Because 
>>> why my proposal advocated for something I know everybody here can get 
>>> behind. This ad literally alienates people who don't necessarily agree with 
>>> the BLM or the equal justice narrative. It creates a morale conflict for 
>>> many people and all I want is for us to uphold the founding principles this 
>>> language was founded upon. Because while I was ultimately crushed being 
>>> rejected, I understood that it was important that I was. 
>>>
>>> And we all need to understand this is literally just as important. The 
>>> issue might be the most important thing in the world in your view, that 
>>> doesn't mean Go should be forced to suffer because everybody in silicon 
>>> valley is indoctrinated into the revolution. 
>>>
>>> If we can't promote Go for political self promotion on the front page, 
>>> why the hell can we promote something political that doesn't even have 
>>> anything to do with Go? 
>>>
>>> Are we now 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

somebody else wrote.* 

Sigh Its time to go to bed, so i can get up in the morning and implement my 
masterplan if by then the powers that be in this forum haven't bent to my 
will and restored the goverse to it's rightful balance

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:57:53 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> Im just saying you can literally justify a fork of the language where the 
> only change is to remove this ad from the website code, and everything else 
> is just a mirror and the readme is "the pogo programming language, 
> literally just Go but with the dumb political shit taken out" 
>
> And that fork would get 10k likes on github guaranteed.
>
> And yes that is a threat and a theory I so want to test so that I end up 
> getting another article written about me in theregister for literally doing 
> nothing but reposting code somebody else where everybody can actually see 
> it in literally not even that clever of a way.
>
> https://www.theregister.com/2013/03/06/github_ancient_c_repository/ 
>   
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> You know what, I just thought of the best analogy to put this argument to 
>> rest.
>>
>> About 10 years ago, when go v1.0 first came out, I like many of the 
>> familiar faces in this thread, absolutely fell in love with the language. 
>> It was literally like a goldilocks "this one is juust right" moment for 
>> me after being totally disgruntled with all the trade offs you had to 
>> suffer with when trying to deal with when trying to learn python, C#, C++, 
>> and C. (at the time i had only been programming for about a year) 
>>
>> Since I was a noob hacker, I couldn't contribute to the code in any 
>> useful way other than to propose a few bad ideas that eventually did end up 
>> getting implemented years down the road. (especially the idea im about to 
>> talk about) 
>>
>> One of my bad ideas was that I wanted to create a badge that people could 
>> post on their websites they used Go to build, as a means to let the world 
>> know that they support the language. The general idea being that the more 
>> people who see cool websites being built with Go, the more people would 
>> adopt the language. 
>>
>> So I tried to submit a merge request where the front page had these three 
>> buttons at the bottom of the page. 
>> [image: 2 - SwkPj - white gopher.png][image: 3 - 5w0lx - blue 
>> gopher.png][image: 
>> 1 - 47bgL.png] 
>>
>> And Russ Cox shot me down (for good reason) because while he understood 
>> my argument that they should be right there out in front so that everybody 
>> knows to actually use them, his argument was better because he pointed out 
>> that the main reason why Go rocks is because the front page is minimalistic 
>> and as bare bones as possible. He pointed out that other popular language's 
>> front pages were absolutely cluttered with a bunch of non essential and 
>> somewhat irrelevant information that is bettered suited to say a wiki, 
>> rather than being forced upon everybody's eyeballs every time they 
>> navigated to go's landing page.
>>
>> Of course he is correct and honestly he taught me one of the most 
>> important lessons that day because despite the fact that my intentions were 
>> good and my "theory" was ultimately sound, that doesn't mean the decision 
>> is inline with what we were calling "idiomatic go" in terms of what is 
>> considered quality engineering and what is considered unnecessary bloat.
>>
>> The point is that this political banner, (that I just discovered also 
>> plagues the pkg.go.dev site) is literally a million times worse, under 
>> those very same principles, Russ Cox pointed out than my proposal. Because 
>> why my proposal advocated for something I know everybody here can get 
>> behind. This ad literally alienates people who don't necessarily agree with 
>> the BLM or the equal justice narrative. It creates a morale conflict for 
>> many people and all I want is for us to uphold the founding principles this 
>> language was founded upon. Because while I was ultimately crushed being 
>> rejected, I understood that it was important that I was. 
>>
>> And we all need to understand this is literally just as important. The 
>> issue might be the most important thing in the world in your view, that 
>> doesn't mean Go should be forced to suffer because everybody in silicon 
>> valley is indoctrinated into the revolution. 
>>
>> If we can't promote Go for political self promotion on the front page, 
>> why the hell can we promote something political that doesn't even have 
>> anything to do with Go? 
>>
>> Are we now a team of hypocrites who no longer have their eyes on the 
>> ball? Because frankly, were finally in the world series and the last thing 
>> we want to do is strike out when all we have to do is hit a single to get 
>> the winning run that wins the game.  
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:12:15 AM UTC-5 peterGo wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

Im just saying you can literally justify a fork of the language where the 
only change is to remove this ad from the website code, and everything else 
is just a mirror and the readme is "the pogo programming language, 
literally just Go but with the dumb political shit taken out" 

And that fork would get 10k likes on github guaranteed.

And yes that is a threat and a theory I so want to test so that I end up 
getting another article written about me in theregister for literally doing 
nothing but reposting code somebody else where everybody can actually see 
it in literally not even that clever of a way.

https://www.theregister.com/2013/03/06/github_ancient_c_repository/ 
  

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:

> You know what, I just thought of the best analogy to put this argument to 
> rest.
>
> About 10 years ago, when go v1.0 first came out, I like many of the 
> familiar faces in this thread, absolutely fell in love with the language. 
> It was literally like a goldilocks "this one is juust right" moment for 
> me after being totally disgruntled with all the trade offs you had to 
> suffer with when trying to deal with when trying to learn python, C#, C++, 
> and C. (at the time i had only been programming for about a year) 
>
> Since I was a noob hacker, I couldn't contribute to the code in any useful 
> way other than to propose a few bad ideas that eventually did end up 
> getting implemented years down the road. (especially the idea im about to 
> talk about) 
>
> One of my bad ideas was that I wanted to create a badge that people could 
> post on their websites they used Go to build, as a means to let the world 
> know that they support the language. The general idea being that the more 
> people who see cool websites being built with Go, the more people would 
> adopt the language. 
>
> So I tried to submit a merge request where the front page had these three 
> buttons at the bottom of the page. 
> [image: 2 - SwkPj - white gopher.png][image: 3 - 5w0lx - blue 
> gopher.png][image: 
> 1 - 47bgL.png] 
>
> And Russ Cox shot me down (for good reason) because while he understood my 
> argument that they should be right there out in front so that everybody 
> knows to actually use them, his argument was better because he pointed out 
> that the main reason why Go rocks is because the front page is minimalistic 
> and as bare bones as possible. He pointed out that other popular language's 
> front pages were absolutely cluttered with a bunch of non essential and 
> somewhat irrelevant information that is bettered suited to say a wiki, 
> rather than being forced upon everybody's eyeballs every time they 
> navigated to go's landing page.
>
> Of course he is correct and honestly he taught me one of the most 
> important lessons that day because despite the fact that my intentions were 
> good and my "theory" was ultimately sound, that doesn't mean the decision 
> is inline with what we were calling "idiomatic go" in terms of what is 
> considered quality engineering and what is considered unnecessary bloat.
>
> The point is that this political banner, (that I just discovered also 
> plagues the pkg.go.dev site) is literally a million times worse, under 
> those very same principles, Russ Cox pointed out than my proposal. Because 
> why my proposal advocated for something I know everybody here can get 
> behind. This ad literally alienates people who don't necessarily agree with 
> the BLM or the equal justice narrative. It creates a morale conflict for 
> many people and all I want is for us to uphold the founding principles this 
> language was founded upon. Because while I was ultimately crushed being 
> rejected, I understood that it was important that I was. 
>
> And we all need to understand this is literally just as important. The 
> issue might be the most important thing in the world in your view, that 
> doesn't mean Go should be forced to suffer because everybody in silicon 
> valley is indoctrinated into the revolution. 
>
> If we can't promote Go for political self promotion on the front page, why 
> the hell can we promote something political that doesn't even have anything 
> to do with Go? 
>
> Are we now a team of hypocrites who no longer have their eyes on the ball? 
> Because frankly, were finally in the world series and the last thing we 
> want to do is strike out when all we have to do is hit a single to get the 
> winning run that wins the game.  
>  
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:12:15 AM UTC-5 peterGo wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 6:10:09 AM UTC-4 
>> axel.wa...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> As such, nothing has really changed since the topic last came up 
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>  I started the original thread titled "political fundraising on 
>> golang.org!".
>> https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/YzN4LkMHs7k/
>>
>> I read Russ Cox's 

Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[mortdeus]

You know what, I just thought of the best analogy to put this argument to 
rest.

About 10 years ago, when go v1.0 first came out, I like many of the 
familiar faces in this thread, absolutely fell in love with the language. 
It was literally like a goldilocks "this one is juust right" moment for 
me after being totally disgruntled with all the trade offs you had to 
suffer with when trying to deal with when trying to learn python, C#, C++, 
and C. (at the time i had only been programming for about a year) 

Since I was a noob hacker, I couldn't contribute to the code in any useful 
way other than to propose a few bad ideas that eventually did end up 
getting implemented years down the road. (especially the idea im about to 
talk about) 

One of my bad ideas was that I wanted to create a badge that people could 
post on their websites they used Go to build, as a means to let the world 
know that they support the language. The general idea being that the more 
people who see cool websites being built with Go, the more people would 
adopt the language. 

So I tried to submit a merge request where the front page had these three 
buttons at the bottom of the page. 
[image: 2 - SwkPj - white gopher.png][image: 3 - 5w0lx - blue 
gopher.png][image: 
1 - 47bgL.png] 

And Russ Cox shot me down (for good reason) because while he understood my 
argument that they should be right there out in front so that everybody 
knows to actually use them, his argument was better because he pointed out 
that the main reason why Go rocks is because the front page is minimalistic 
and as bare bones as possible. He pointed out that other popular language's 
front pages were absolutely cluttered with a bunch of non essential and 
somewhat irrelevant information that is bettered suited to say a wiki, 
rather than being forced upon everybody's eyeballs every time they 
navigated to go's landing page.

Of course he is correct and honestly he taught me one of the most important 
lessons that day because despite the fact that my intentions were good and 
my "theory" was ultimately sound, that doesn't mean the decision is inline 
with what we were calling "idiomatic go" in terms of what is considered 
quality engineering and what is considered unnecessary bloat.

The point is that this political banner, (that I just discovered also 
plagues the pkg.go.dev site) is literally a million times worse, under 
those very same principles, Russ Cox pointed out than my proposal. Because 
why my proposal advocated for something I know everybody here can get 
behind. This ad literally alienates people who don't necessarily agree with 
the BLM or the equal justice narrative. It creates a morale conflict for 
many people and all I want is for us to uphold the founding principles this 
language was founded upon. Because while I was ultimately crushed being 
rejected, I understood that it was important that I was. 

And we all need to understand this is literally just as important. The 
issue might be the most important thing in the world in your view, that 
doesn't mean Go should be forced to suffer because everybody in silicon 
valley is indoctrinated into the revolution. 

If we can't promote Go for political self promotion on the front page, why 
the hell can we promote something political that doesn't even have anything 
to do with Go? 

Are we now a team of hypocrites who no longer have their eyes on the ball? 
Because frankly, were finally in the world series and the last thing we 
want to do is strike out when all we have to do is hit a single to get the 
winning run that wins the game.  
 
   

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:12:15 AM UTC-5 peterGo wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 6:10:09 AM UTC-4 axel.wa...@googlemail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As such, nothing has really changed since the topic last came up 
>> .
>>
>>
>  I started the original thread titled "political fundraising on golang.org
> !".
> https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/YzN4LkMHs7k/
>
> I read Russ Cox's polemic.
> https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/YzN4LkMHs7k/m/XFtRziMfBgAJ
>
> Every time I see the banner it reminds me of Martin Luther's Disputation 
> on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses
>
> Peter
>
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

[peterGo]

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 6:10:09 AM UTC-4 axel.wa...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

> As such, nothing has really changed since the topic last came up 
> .
>
>
 I started the original thread titled "political fundraising on 
golang.org!".
https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/YzN4LkMHs7k/

I read Russ Cox's polemic.
https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/YzN4LkMHs7k/m/XFtRziMfBgAJ

Every time I see the banner it reminds me of Martin Luther's Disputation on 
the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses

Peter

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: now that the election is over can we please remove the political ad for golang.org

['Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts]

The banner is not related to the (US presidential) election. It is also not
partisan - it is purely issue-oriented and not associated to a particular
party (of any country).

As such, nothing has really changed since the topic last came up
.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:59 AM mortdeus  wrote:

> ugh i really need to hire an editor.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 4:57:16 AM UTC-5 mortdeus wrote:
>
>> First of all full disclosure, I just want to apologize ahead of time to
>> anybody who finds what I am about to say offensive. I understand politics
>> are really important to a lot of people (especially right now) so I
>> understand how just my suggestion of this might offend people who care a
>> lot about the issue. And for that I sincerely do apologize to anybody here
>> who might find what I am about to say offensive.
>>
>> But with that being said, I full heartedly believe that what I am about
>> to say is extremely important towards trying to maintain the healthy
>> culture we've all been working to build for the last 10 years.
>>
>> Leave your politics at home where they belong.
>>
>> This ad should have never been put up to begin with because frankly this
>> community is far more important (and far larger) than America's general
>> incapability to get along with one another.
>>
>> When I type golang.org into my browser and click send, I view this as my
>> escape hatch from the absolutely and obnoxiously too loud world were
>> constantly forced to listen to, because frankly social media decided to
>> give everybody megaphones and started rewarding people with fame for being
>> smart enough (and more concerning physically attractive enough) to promote
>> a message that can be heard through all the noise pollution.
>>
>> So honestly, while I didn't say anything about it, but honestly when I
>> saw the ad a few weeks before the election it seriously broke my heart. It
>> didn't piss me off, it made me literally want to cry, not because I don't
>> believe we shouldn't do more to help fight poverty (because the reality is
>> that while we might have a racism problem in America, we definitely have a
>> poverty problem and the later is far easier to quantify and effectively
>> address) but because I literally thought we all understood, in our
>> community the only thing we could care less about than how you'd all band
>> together to vote politically, is how you'd all band together to vote for
>> "quality of life" additions to the language that would probably ruin it.
>>
>> As a registered Republican (but not really a Trump supporter) I am going
>> to say that Black Lives Matter, but not more than this community being
>> impartial to the radical notion that we have to be willing to accept even
>> white supremacists into our ranks, if they like to code in the best
>> programming language on the planet. Because frankly it is through a united,
>> loving and deliberately NON-PARTISANLY inclusive community structure that
>> ultimately allows us to defeat them at their own game.
>>
>> All I am saying is we need to take down the "conservatives not welcome
>> here" sign.
>>
>> And if me saying that offends you, then like I said I am sorry, but
>> imagine if that tag said "have you been to church lately?" and asked you to
>> donate to Chris Pratt's church because that is align with the political
>> campaign strategy that aimed to keep Trump in office, when all you want to
>> do is think about creative ways to move bits around.
>>
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