Re: [google-appengine] Help! Cloud billing is active but app engine is stuck at FREE.

[Molded Jelly]

I have this exact same problem. I just created a new project - even created 
a new billing account first, which seems to be a requirement now when 
creating new projects. I have other billed projects charging me fine with 
the same billing details... When using appengine.google.com, it says that 
billing is controlled through the Developer Console, but there is nowhere I 
can find to "Enable Billing" like the old system a couple months ago. The 
project just seems stuck in Free mode.
Were you able to resolve on your own, or did Google Support need to do 
something?

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Re: [google-appengine] Help! Cloud billing is active but app engine is stuck at FREE.

[Molded Jelly]

I have this exact same problem. I just created a new project - even created 
a new billing account first, which seems to be a requirement now when 
creating new projects. I have other billed projects charging me fine with 
the same billing details... When using appengine.google.com, it says that 
billing is controlled through the Developer Console, but there is nowhere I 
can find to "Enable Billing" like the old system a couple months ago. The 
project just seems stuck in Free mode.
Were you able to resolve on your own, or did Google Support need to do 
something?


On Saturday, May 3, 2014 at 3:38:06 PM UTC+10, Will Reiher wrote:
>
> Wish I could the button is disabled and above it says: 
>
> *Billing for this application is managed from the Google Cloud Console 
> .*
>
>
> On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:35:02 PM UTC-7, Vinny P wrote:
>>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Barry Hunter 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> There as a mention recently of someone having issue with using the 
>>> socket API, it only cleared up when they ALSO enabled billing via the 
>>> AppEngine console itself. Just enabling billing on the parent cloud project 
>>> wasnt enough. 
>>>
>>> Maybe the same here?
>>>
>>
>>
>> +1. Here's a reference for OP: 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/j58mZuuXjpE/Y-nyK5AdStMJ
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Will Reiher  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running up against resource limitations and there is no way I can 
>>> get billing to activate in App Engine even though it's active on the cloud 
>>> side of things. What do I do?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Activate billing through the App Engine console. Log into the console ( 
>> appspot.com ), and click the link marked Billing Status on the left 
>> navigation bar. 
>>   
>>
>> -
>> -Vinny P
>> Technology & Media Advisor
>> Chicago, IL
>>
>> App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com
>>  
>>

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Re: [google-appengine] So many spam bots are hitting my website hosted on Google App Engine

[Ashutosh Mishra]

Thanks Vinny,

I think you have picked the issue correctly they are hitting particular set 
of pages regularly hotel pages which were dynamically generated, you are 
correct about rss and sitemap feed.
So please tell me the way to overcome this issue as these spam bots 
specially ahref bot is consuming my server bandwidth a lot un-necessarily. 
I want a good solution so that I will not face any spam bot hurdle in 
future. 

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 9:49:30 AM UTC+5:30, Vinny P wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Barry Hunter  > wrote:
>
>> The Ahref bot (if its the legitimate one of course!) definitly obays the 
>> robots.txt
>> https://ahrefs.com/robot
>>
>> Looking at http://www.myhotelcar.com/robots.txt there is nothing 
>> blocking that particular bot. 
>>
>
>
> +1.
>
> You can also try looking into Cloudflare 
>  to proxy your site and filter out 
> some robots.
>
> More importantly: are the robots hitting all of your pages, or are they 
> only hitting certain types of pages? Are they perhaps repeatedly retrieving 
> a RSS feed or sitemap documents?
>  
>  
> -
> -Vinny P
> Technology & Media Consultant
> Chicago, IL
>
> App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com
>
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Re: [google-appengine] So many spam bots are hitting my website hosted on Google App Engine

[Ashutosh Mishra]

Dear Berry, as you can see in robots.txt file og myhotelcar, I have blocked 
all the bots except the google, yahoo slurp etc, so Ahref bot if it obeys 
it it should not hit site. 

I have also searched so many thing and I found the Ahref bot doesn't obey 
robots principal.
Many people has suggested that I can prohibit them via htaccess file, I 
don't want to use that way as in google app engine hosting I didn't find 
htaccess file. So please provide me any way to filter out these spam bots.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 5:54:42 PM UTC+5:30, barryhunter wrote:
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2015 at 12:28, Ashutosh Mishra  > wrote:
>
>> y I am annoyed by the hitting of Spam Bot mainly Ahref bot.
>>
>
> The Ahref bot (if its the legitimate one of course!) definitly obays the 
> robots.txt
> https://ahrefs.com/robot
>
> Looking at
> http://www.myhotelcar.com/robots.txt
>
> there is nothing blocking that particular bot. 
>
> But a number of other oddities. The crawl delay will only apply to the * 
> group, which is disallowed from any crawling, meaning it has no effect. 
>
> The 'directories' rules, will only apply the group they placed in (so only 
> affect MJ12bot/v1.4.5 - which is blocked completely by the first rule) 
>
>
>
>  
>
>>
>> I don't find any way to stop them as I didn't see .HTaccess file in 
>> Google App Engine 
>>
>>
> Not as such. You would need to handle any such directives directly in 
> code. ie your javas handlers, could check the User-Agent and do 'stuff' 
> selectively. 
>
>
>
>  Tehre is also
> https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/java/config/dos
> but its utility for this is limited. (unless you can identify specific 
> IP/ranges to block)
>
>

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Re: [google-appengine] So many spam bots are hitting my website hosted on Google App Engine

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Barry Hunter 
 wrote:

> The Ahref bot (if its the legitimate one of course!) definitly obays the
> robots.txt
> https://ahrefs.com/robot
>
> Looking at http://www.myhotelcar.com/robots.txt there is nothing blocking
> that particular bot.
>


+1.

You can also try looking into Cloudflare  to
proxy your site and filter out some robots.

More importantly: are the robots hitting all of your pages, or are they
only hitting certain types of pages? Are they perhaps repeatedly retrieving
a RSS feed or sitemap documents?


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Technology & Media Consultant
Chicago, IL

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Re: [google-appengine] Naked domain has stopped working

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Paul Canning  wrote:

> I have just checked today and it seems like the naked domain for my app is
> no longer working.
> Has anything changed in the past few days about naked domains?
>


Can you screenshot the error page? Is it a standard Google-branded error
page, or does it come from somewhere else? Can you look up the response
headers and see what they say?


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Re: [google-appengine] App engine Datastore entities became unavailable after migrating to JDO 3.0

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Malleswari Srinivasarao <
malleswari.srinivasa...@a-cti.com> wrote:

> Did necessary configurations for migration. The issue I found now, is none
> of the entities are available to query from code. I could see all kinds and
> entities present in appengine console, but, when I'm trying to fetch the
> data, I'm getting empty results.
>
> How can I make my data to be fetchable ?
>


Can you query for and print out all entities with a *kind* of __Stat_Kind__
? This should
show a list of the kinds in your application - you may be accidentally
querying for the wrong entity kind, or perhaps the migration introduced
new/unknown kinds. For each kind that you see, can you try programmatically
retrieving a sample of the entities within?



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[google-appengine] oAuth 2.0 will become the default authentication mechanism for deploying to App Engine

[Andrew Jessup]

Dear App Engine developers,

In the next release of App Engine you will notice that instead of being 
asked for a username and password, our SDKs will be defaulting to the more 
secure oAuth 2.0 web-based authentication flow to verify your identity. You 
can try this today using the --oauth2 flag with our appfg.py or appcfg.sh 
command line tools.

This change improves the security of your App Engine deployments as the 
oAuth 2.0 authentication flow supports additional Google account security 
features such as 2 Step Authentication 
. 

In a subsequent release we will be removing username and password 
authentication entirely.

We expect that most developers will be unaffected by this change, but as 
always we recommend early testing, particularly if you are using continuous 
integration or other tools to authenticate to App Engine. For any issues, 
you can find or ask for help on the Google App Engine Stack Overflow Tag 
, or if you 
have a support package you may open a support ticket 
. 

Happy (and secure) building!

Andrew, on behalf of the Google App Engine team

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Cloud Platform wants to hear from you

[Alistair Burrowes]

Hi,

I would echo a lot of what Karl said.

I would like to see more examples of complex usage of GAE and or managed 
VMs. These are the kind of usages that more advanced developers might want. 
Here are a few examples of things that I have figured out or want:

- CI/CD set up, with dev/staging environments and one button deployments to 
production. It was a pretty long process of trial and error to achieve this.

- a single page app with separate the web front end and the backend 
(endpoints) modules. This was also tricky since endpoints live behind /_ah 
which can't be routed away from the default application. I think separating 
these out and their build processes is healthy separation of concerns.

- integrating gulp build processes into GAE dev servers/build processes. In 
my case I'm using gradle app engine plugin.

- "ismorphic" javascript app, with server side rendering via something like 
react (I assume this would be a managed VM running node js) that speaks to 
endpoints, from both client side and the node js layer.

Also I agree that more transparency on the roadmap/discussions on direction 
would be really useful.

For example the lack of java 8 on GAE is a concern of mine 
- https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=9537 . There 
isn't any communication as to what the status of this is (note: AWS 
beanstalk supports java 8).

I love the minimal configuration/maintenance of the GAE sandbox, but I need 
to know if a shift to managed VMs is the longer term direction for java 
support. It is not clear when starting a new java project if I should bet 
on GAE java sandbox being supported in the long term or just go with java 8 
on a managed VM. 

Other than this, I have found GAE/GCP to be fantastic and I am really happy 
with the different tools and quality of the libraries provided.

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 3:37:31 AM UTC+10, Katie Ball (Google Cloud 
Support) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Katie, and I am on the Google Cloud Platform technical support 
>  team.
>
> This message is to Google Cloud Platform community members, especially if 
> you are newer to GCP. I would like to know what our team can do to help you 
> have a better and more enjoyable experience during the first days on GCP.
>
> Did you need technical support?  If so, I’d like to hear all about it.
>
> I’d also like to know:
>
>- 
>
>What did you find most difficult about the first-time user experience?
>- 
>
>Where did you get stuck?
>
>
> Please reply to the group with your answers or any ideas you have on how 
> the technical support team can help new customers get familiar with GCP. 
>
> And as a thank you for the great ideas, we will be giving away support 
> coupons worth $450 (equivalent to 3 months of silver support) to 5 lucky 
> community members who post a response. Please make sure to reply before 
> April 22nd. 
>
> Thanks for your insights, and cloud on!
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Naked domain has stopped working

[Qian Qiao]

SSL for naked domain is not supported as far as I know. I am also eagerly
waiting for this feature. However, having naked domain served directly
rather than redirected is 1 step closer.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:22 Thomas Wiradikusuma 
wrote:

> How do you handle both naked and www, esp in regards to SSL? At the
> moment, I set *both* in Console, so both http://bla.com and
> http://www.bla.com are valid but won't redirect to each other. Not a big
> deal (I can use "canonical url" meta tag for search engine crawlers), but
> if SSL doesn't work for naked, it makes me worried.
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 5:39:28 AM UTC+8, Qian Qiao wrote:
>
>> Instead of redirecting, you appengine app can now serve naked domain
>> directly. Go to console.cloud.google.com, choose your project, under
>> Computer -> Appengine -> Settings, click on the Custom domains tab, and you
>> can add the naked domain directly.
>>
>> SSL doesn't seem to work for naked domains just yet, but HTTP traffic
>> works fine.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> -- Joe
>>
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 at 09:12 Paul Canning  wrote:
>>
> I have just checked today and it seems like the naked domain for my app is
>>> no longer working.
>>>
>>> Previously, I could go to http://mydomain.com and it would load up
>>> http://www.mydomain.com (this isn't my actual domain!)
>>>
>>> BUT, now, going to http://mydomain.com simply shows "This web page is
>>> not available"
>>>
>>> Has anything changed in the past few days about naked domains?
>>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Naked domain has stopped working

[Thomas Wiradikusuma]

How do you handle both naked and www, esp in regards to SSL? At the moment, 
I set *both* in Console, so both http://bla.com and http://www.bla.com are 
valid but won't redirect to each other. Not a big deal (I can use 
"canonical url" meta tag for search engine crawlers), but if SSL doesn't 
work for naked, it makes me worried.

Regards,
Thomas


On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 5:39:28 AM UTC+8, Qian Qiao wrote:
>
> Instead of redirecting, you appengine app can now serve naked domain 
> directly. Go to console.cloud.google.com, choose your project, under 
> Computer -> Appengine -> Settings, click on the Custom domains tab, and you 
> can add the naked domain directly.
>
> SSL doesn't seem to work for naked domains just yet, but HTTP traffic 
> works fine.
>
> HTH.
>
> -- Joe
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 at 09:12 Paul Canning  > wrote:
>
>> I have just checked today and it seems like the naked domain for my app 
>> is no longer working.
>>
>> Previously, I could go to http://mydomain.com and it would load up 
>> http://www.mydomain.com (this isn't my actual domain!)
>>
>> BUT, now, going to http://mydomain.com simply shows "This web page is 
>> not available"
>>
>> Has anything changed in the past few days about naked domains?
>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Google Cloud Platform wants to hear from you

[Jesse Scherer (Google Cloud Support)]

Hi,

I'm another one of the Support team members working on our community 
efforts. A lot of Karl's random thoughts and complaints ring true for me.

Right this minute, we're trying to sharpen the blunt instrument 

 
with which we send people to Stack Overflow. I think this will address some 
of the noise on this group and help new users get answers on Stack 
Exchange. Further out we're looking at a few ways to make Stack Exchange a more 
reliable place 

 
to get answers. 

I will follow up here in one week with a summary of what is going on with 
those Stack Exchange changes. I hope you'll keep the feedback coming until 
then.

Regards,
Jesse

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 11:59:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Abrams wrote:
>
> Karl -- thanks for your feedback!  Rest assured we are absolutely 
> listening.  Responses to this thread have been forwarded to many different 
> teams within cloud and have caused lots of healthy discussion.  Your 
> feedback is greatly appreciated.  
>
> I will compile as many of the responses as I can and get back to this 
> group...  But please do keep the feedback coming!
>
>
> ..brad
>
> Brad Abrams
> Group Product Manager
> Google Cloud Platform
>   
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Karl MacMillan  wrote:
>
>>  Katie,
>>
>> I feel compelled to point out that how this discussion going is a good 
>> example of some of the things that I - and it seems others - are frustrated 
>> about. You’ve asked for and received concrete feedback. Yet we’ve received 
>> no answers or discussion back from Google engineers. At least a simple 
>> acknowledgement of the _specific_ issues we’ve raised from someone with 
>> some knowledge would be helpful. Otherwise how am I to know that you 
>> bringing the “feedback to the appropriate team members” is anything more 
>> than them receiving an email that they’ll simply delete?
>>
>> Look at this way - we’ve invested and in many cases bet our businesses on 
>> GCP. And especially with App Engine, this is very much an investment in an 
>> ecosystem that you’ve created that’s largely separate from the rest of the 
>> industry. It’s hard to have confidence in that bet given the almost total 
>> lack of public engagement from Google to help make this a vibrant ecosystem.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>  
>>  On Apr 16, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Katie Ball (Google Cloud Support) <
>> kmrichard...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Karl,
>>
>> You've taken some extra time and extra care to put this feedback together 
>> -- thank you! It's incredibly helpful; this is exactly what we need in 
>> order to better serve our users and the cloud computing community. 
>>
>> I've already taken your feedback to the appropriate team members to start 
>> improving things as suggested in your post.
>>
>> Is there anything that you are currently struggling with? If there is, 
>> we'd like to offer our help as a thank you.
>>
>> To our GCP community members: do you have any additional feedback you'd 
>> like to send our way? Any +1's to Karl's points? We'd love to hear from you!
>>
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>> Katie
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Re: [google-appengine] How to use my domain (from Google Domains) on my GAE site?

[Qian Qiao]

Go to console.cloud.google.com, choose your project, then compute -> App
Engine -> Settings, under the custom domains tab, follow onscreen
instructions.

HTH

-- Joe

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 at 15:38 Miles Macleod  wrote:

> Long story short: I bought a domain via Google Domains (beta) with the
> intention of using it for my personal site/blog that I made using Google
> App Engine. When using GAE to make a site, the default domain is "_[site
> name]_.appspot.com". Since I need something more simple...preferably the
> domain that I already purchased, this needs to be changed. Honestly, the
> site build has taken a fraction of the time spent trying to figure out the
> domain swap, which I thought would be a painless last step!
>
> I have been going back and fourth with the team at Google sites for weeks
> and was just told that they do not know how to solve the problem. So they
> pointed me to this forum where I might be able to find some answers.
>
> Thank you in advance for any insight you can offer!
>
> Thanks,
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[google-appengine] How to use my domain (from Google Domains) on my GAE site?

[Miles Macleod]

Long story short: I bought a domain via Google Domains (beta) with the 
intention of using it for my personal site/blog that I made using Google 
App Engine. When using GAE to make a site, the default domain is "_[site 
name]_.appspot.com". Since I need something more simple...preferably the 
domain that I already purchased, this needs to be changed. Honestly, the 
site build has taken a fraction of the time spent trying to figure out the 
domain swap, which I thought would be a painless last step!

I have been going back and fourth with the team at Google sites for weeks 
and was just told that they do not know how to solve the problem. So they 
pointed me to this forum where I might be able to find some answers.

Thank you in advance for any insight you can offer!

Thanks,

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Re: [google-appengine] Naked domain has stopped working

[Qian Qiao]

Instead of redirecting, you appengine app can now serve naked domain
directly. Go to console.cloud.google.com, choose your project, under
Computer -> Appengine -> Settings, click on the Custom domains tab, and you
can add the naked domain directly.

SSL doesn't seem to work for naked domains just yet, but HTTP traffic works
fine.

HTH.

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> I have just checked today and it seems like the naked domain for my app is
> no longer working.
>
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> http://www.mydomain.com (this isn't my actual domain!)
>
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Re: [google-appengine] Python 2 End of Life 2020

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I agree with all of you - the Managed VM experience kinda sucks right now
compared to what we're used to. Google will have an easier time making it
better if we file bugs against it the usability issues.

Jeff

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Karl MacMillan  wrote:

>
>  On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:51 AM, troberti  wrote:
>
> Exactly. Managed VMs are great for some applications, but not a
> replacement for the managed runtimes. The idea of App Engine is simplicity
> & zero-configuration (or at least as close to it as possible). Instead,
> Managed VMs seem to throw a lot of that back on the user's lap. I don't
> want to 'dockerize' my apps and start managing my own runtimes.
>
>
> I completely agree. I’ve seen many comments suggesting that managed VMs
> are a viable alternative to traditional GAE, but this is not the case at
> all for me. The docker tooling on OS X (my dev environment) is pretty
> awful, the same set of services aren’t available in App Engine and Managed
> VMs, and basically I want the zero config of App Engine.
>
> This isn’t a lack of knowledge - I have a lot of experience managing
> servers - it’s that I’ve got other more important things to do with my time.
>
>  The Python 2 to 3 transitions is great example where a public roadmap
> would be very useful. They could state they'll have a Python 3 runtime
> ready in 2017 and then have a 3 year transition period and stop the Python
> 2 runtime in 2020.
>
>
> +1
>
> Karl
>
>  On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 1:18:48 PM UTC+2, Jay Kyburz wrote:
>>
>> A port to a managed VM is a whole nother kettle of fish. If I do that I'm
>> managing my own servers and might as well move anywhere.
>>
>> The simple fact is that 2.7 is on the way out, and if I want to continue
>> to work in Python, I need a 5 year plan that has me port my applications to
>> Python 3.
>>
>> My question to Google is, will I be working on App Engine, or do I have
>> to go find another solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:19:54 UTC+10, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> You can run Python3 already with Managed VMs, although the experience
>>> today does not compare favorably to traditional GAE. I suspect the best
>>> course of action is to file usability bugs against managed VMs until they
>>> work as well or better than what you're used to. More specific is better.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Jay Kyburz wrote:
>>>
 Hello Googlers,

 There is an interesting discussion today on Hacker News about how
 Debian has started moving from P2 to P3 because of the looming EOL deadline
 in 2020.
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9388502

 Does anybody know if there are plans in the works to provide a Python 3
 implementation of App Engine I can port my apps to sometime in the next 5
 years.  I've been searching around but can find nothing.

 5 years may sound like a long time to many of you, but the last 5 years
 of using App Engine have seemed to fly by for me.

 I have a lot of code to port and it might be a biggish job.

 If Google is looking for more staff to handle the port I would be happy
 to contribute.

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[google-appengine] Naked domain has stopped working

[Paul Canning]

I have just checked today and it seems like the naked domain for my app is 
no longer working.

Previously, I could go to http://mydomain.com and it would load up 
http://www.mydomain.com (this isn't my actual domain!)

BUT, now, going to http://mydomain.com simply shows "This web page is not 
available"

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Re: [google-appengine] Google Cloud Platform wants to hear from you

['Brad Abrams' via Google App Engine]

Karl -- thanks for your feedback!  Rest assured we are absolutely
listening.  Responses to this thread have been forwarded to many different
teams within cloud and have caused lots of healthy discussion.  Your
feedback is greatly appreciated.

I will compile as many of the responses as I can and get back to this
group...  But please do keep the feedback coming!


..brad

Brad Abrams
Group Product Manager
Google Cloud Platform


On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Karl MacMillan  wrote:

>  Katie,
>
> I feel compelled to point out that how this discussion going is a good
> example of some of the things that I - and it seems others - are frustrated
> about. You’ve asked for and received concrete feedback. Yet we’ve received
> no answers or discussion back from Google engineers. At least a simple
> acknowledgement of the _specific_ issues we’ve raised from someone with
> some knowledge would be helpful. Otherwise how am I to know that you
> bringing the “feedback to the appropriate team members” is anything more
> than them receiving an email that they’ll simply delete?
>
> Look at this way - we’ve invested and in many cases bet our businesses on
> GCP. And especially with App Engine, this is very much an investment in an
> ecosystem that you’ve created that’s largely separate from the rest of the
> industry. It’s hard to have confidence in that bet given the almost total
> lack of public engagement from Google to help make this a vibrant ecosystem.
>
> Karl
>
>
>  On Apr 16, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Katie Ball (Google Cloud Support) <
> kmrichard...@google.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karl,
>
> You've taken some extra time and extra care to put this feedback together
> -- thank you! It's incredibly helpful; this is exactly what we need in
> order to better serve our users and the cloud computing community.
>
> I've already taken your feedback to the appropriate team members to start
> improving things as suggested in your post.
>
> Is there anything that you are currently struggling with? If there is,
> we'd like to offer our help as a thank you.
>
> To our GCP community members: do you have any additional feedback you'd
> like to send our way? Any +1's to Karl's points? We'd love to hear from you!
>
> Thanks again,
> Katie
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Re: [google-appengine] Python 2 End of Life 2020

[Karl MacMillan]

  

> On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:51 AM, troberti  wrote:
> 
> 
> Exactly. Managed VMs are great for some applications, but not a replacement 
> for the managed runtimes. The idea of App Engine is simplicity & 
> zero-configuration (or at least as close to it as possible). Instead, Managed 
> VMs seem to throw a lot of that back on the user's lap. I don't want to 
> 'dockerize' my apps and start managing my own runtimes. 
> 
> 
> 

I completely agree. I’ve seen many comments suggesting that managed VMs are a 
viable alternative to traditional GAE, but this is not the case at all for me. 
The docker tooling on OS X (my dev environment) is pretty awful, the same set 
of services aren’t available in App Engine and Managed VMs, and basically I 
want the zero config of App Engine.


This isn’t a lack of knowledge - I have a lot of experience managing servers - 
it’s that I’ve got other more important things to do with my time.


> The Python 2 to 3 transitions is great example where a public roadmap would 
> be very useful. They could state they'll have a Python 3 runtime ready in 
> 2017 and then have a 3 year transition period and stop the Python 2 runtime 
> in 2020.
> 
> 
> 
> 

+1


Karl


> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 1:18:48 PM UTC+2, Jay Kyburz wrote:> A port to 
> a managed VM is a whole nother kettle of fish. If I do that I'm managing my 
> own servers and might as well move anywhere. 
>> 
>> The simple fact is that 2.7 is on the way out, and if I want to continue to 
>> work in Python, I need a 5 year plan that has me port my applications to 
>> Python 3. 
>> 
>> 
>> My question to Google is, will I be working on App Engine, or do I have to 
>> go find another solution. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:19:54 UTC+10, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:> You can 
>> run Python3 already with Managed VMs, although the experience today does not 
>> compare favorably to traditional GAE. I suspect the best course of action is 
>> to file usability bugs against managed VMs until they work as well or better 
>> than what you're used to. More specific is better.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Jay Kyburz >>>wrote:
 Hello Googlers, 
 
 There is an interesting discussion today on Hacker News about how Debian 
 has started moving from P2 to P3 because of the looming EOL deadline in 
 2020. 
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9388502
 
 
 
 
 
 Does anybody know if there are plans in the works to provide a Python 3 
 implementation of App Engine I can port my apps to sometime in the next 5 
 years.  I've been searching around but can find nothing. 
 
 
 5 years may sound like a long time to many of you, but the last 5 years of 
 using App Engine have seemed to fly by for me. 
 
 
 I have a lot of code to port and it might be a biggish job. 
 
 
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Re: [google-appengine] Google Cloud Platform wants to hear from you

[Karl MacMillan]

  Katie,


I feel compelled to point out that how this discussion going is a good example 
of some of the things that I - and it seems others - are frustrated about. 
You’ve asked for and received concrete feedback. Yet we’ve received no answers 
or discussion back from Google engineers. At least a simple acknowledgement of 
the _specific_ issues we’ve raised from someone with some knowledge would be 
helpful. Otherwise how am I to know that you bringing the “feedback to the 
appropriate team members” is anything more than them receiving an email that 
they’ll simply delete?


Look at this way - we’ve invested and in many cases bet our businesses on GCP. 
And especially with App Engine, this is very much an investment in an ecosystem 
that you’ve created that’s largely separate from the rest of the industry. It’s 
hard to have confidence in that bet given the almost total lack of public 
engagement from Google to help make this a vibrant ecosystem.


Karl





> On Apr 16, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Katie Ball (Google Cloud Support) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Karl,
> 
> You've taken some extra time and extra care to put this feedback together -- 
> thank you! It's incredibly helpful; this is exactly what we need in order to 
> better serve our users and the cloud computing community. 
> 
> 
> I've already taken your feedback to the appropriate team members to start 
> improving things as suggested in your post.
> 
> 
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> like to offer our help as a thank you.
> 
> 
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> to send our way? Any +1's to Karl's points? We'd love to hear from you!
> 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Katie
> 
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[google-appengine] App engine Datastore entities became unavailable after migrating to JDO 3.0

[Malleswari Srinivasarao]

I'm using App engine JDO, for storing my data in database and I use 
appengine plugin for eclipse for deploying my application.

I created some bean classes and deployed. While deploying, I did not choose 
any version of DataNucleus JDO/JPA. It was empty as shown in the picture.



As a result, I could see my datastore kinds and entities got created with 
the strange casing, which was not same I named those. (Even I could find 
the same in development environment as well).



I have given my kind name as WorkUser, but it got created like WORKUSER (upper 
case), similarly, all field names, for eg., I created accessToken in my 
bean class, it got turned into ACCESS_TOKEN.

Although everthing works fine for some days, I wanted to migrate my JDO to 
JDO 3.0 and now, while deploying, I have chosen Datanucleus version to v2. 



Did necessary configurations for migration. The issue I found now, is none 
of the entities are available to query from code. I could see all kinds and 
entities present in appengine console, but, when I'm trying to fetch the 
data, I'm getting empty results.

How can I make my data to be fetchable ?

Any help would be greatly needed and appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: [google-appengine] So many spam bots are hitting my website hosted on Google App Engine

[Barry Hunter]

On 20 April 2015 at 12:28, Ashutosh Mishra 
wrote:

> y I am annoyed by the hitting of Spam Bot mainly Ahref bot.
>

The Ahref bot (if its the legitimate one of course!) definitly obays the
robots.txt
https://ahrefs.com/robot

Looking at
http://www.myhotelcar.com/robots.txt

there is nothing blocking that particular bot.

But a number of other oddities. The crawl delay will only apply to the *
group, which is disallowed from any crawling, meaning it has no effect.

The 'directories' rules, will only apply the group they placed in (so only
affect MJ12bot/v1.4.5 - which is blocked completely by the first rule)





>
> I don't find any way to stop them as I didn't see .HTaccess file in Google
> App Engine
>
>
Not as such. You would need to handle any such directives directly in code.
ie your javas handlers, could check the User-Agent and do 'stuff'
selectively.



 Tehre is also
https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/java/config/dos
but its utility for this is limited. (unless you can identify specific
IP/ranges to block)

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[google-appengine] So many spam bots are hitting my website hosted on Google App Engine

[Ashutosh Mishra]

Please help any one to solve the issue so many spam bots are eating my 
bandwidth, my website is travel portal for car rental and hotel booking 
service myhotelcar.com which is hosted on Google App engine and developed 
on Java, from last few months bots hitting was gone to very high level 
particularly I am annoyed by the hitting of Spam Bot mainly Ahref bot.

I don't find any way to stop them as I didn't see .HTaccess file in Google 
App Engine and I have tried all the things that I can try with Robots.txt 
file but still I am not getting the thing right.

Please help me as soon as possible.



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Re: [google-appengine] Python 2 End of Life 2020

[troberti]

Exactly. Managed VMs are great for some applications, but not a replacement 
for the managed runtimes. The idea of App Engine is simplicity & 
zero-configuration (or at least as close to it as possible). Instead, 
Managed VMs seem to throw a lot of that back on the user's lap. I don't 
want to 'dockerize' my apps and start managing my own runtimes. 

The Python 2 to 3 transitions is great example where a public roadmap would 
be very useful. They could state they'll have a Python 3 runtime ready in 
2017 and then have a 3 year transition period and stop the Python 2 runtime 
in 2020.

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 1:18:48 PM UTC+2, Jay Kyburz wrote:
>
> A port to a managed VM is a whole nother kettle of fish. If I do that I'm 
> managing my own servers and might as well move anywhere. 
>
> The simple fact is that 2.7 is on the way out, and if I want to continue 
> to work in Python, I need a 5 year plan that has me port my applications to 
> Python 3. 
>
> My question to Google is, will I be working on App Engine, or do I have to 
> go find another solution. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:19:54 UTC+10, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>
>> You can run Python3 already with Managed VMs, although the experience 
>> today does not compare favorably to traditional GAE. I suspect the best 
>> course of action is to file usability bugs against managed VMs until they 
>> work as well or better than what you're used to. More specific is better.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Jay Kyburz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Googlers, 
>>>
>>> There is an interesting discussion today on Hacker News about how Debian 
>>> has started moving from P2 to P3 because of the looming EOL deadline in 
>>> 2020. 
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9388502
>>>
>>> Does anybody know if there are plans in the works to provide a Python 3 
>>> implementation of App Engine I can port my apps to sometime in the next 5 
>>> years.  I've been searching around but can find nothing. 
>>>
>>> 5 years may sound like a long time to many of you, but the last 5 years 
>>> of using App Engine have seemed to fly by for me. 
>>>
>>> I have a lot of code to port and it might be a biggish job. 
>>>
>>> If Google is looking for more staff to handle the port I would be happy 
>>> to contribute.
>>>
>>> Jay.
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