[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[gg]

Yep cp.appspot.com

On Feb 21, 9:03 am, herbie <4whi...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There have been a few messages about GAE and Checkout, but has anyone
> sucessfuly used Checkout with GAE?
>
> Could anyone recommend another 'easy' way to allow users to pay
> through a  GAE powerd app?
>
> Many thanks
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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Geoffrey Spear]

On Mar 4, 11:52 am, anton savchuk  wrote:
> Guys what about this stuff - Google Checkout?
>
> I hope soon I will have paid service.. And users of mine suppose to pay for
> staff.. If I create registration or authentication based on Google Account
> will this user have possibility to pay use Google Checkout API or stuff like
> this? Or PayPal ? I do not know.. :(
> Please advice about this problem. How can I organize payments from users to
> me ?

App Engine doesn't include any integration of either Checkout or
Paypal; how you authenticate your users to your app doesn't matter at
all in how you get them to pay, since you'll need to use third-party
libraries to handle the payment processing anyway.

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[anton savchuk]

I see.. thank you. Could you recommend some third-party libraries? 

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Kaan Soral]

Paypal is t extreme, www.x.com is a simplified version of Paypal
(an attempt to make it more developer friendly) but it is still too
extreme. There are 10-15 possible services with 90 page documents
each, no use case examples, no screen shots, no simple codes.
There are services like Social Gold (they have shut themselves down
and joined Google Checkout), SuperRewards, Tapjoy
There are payment providers, you can integrate them with 2-3 lines of
code.

These payment providers exist because Paypal makes it too extreme to
implement their service.
If you would like other people making %10-20 over you take the simple
route.

The biggest problem is that, even if you implement Paypal, it will not
be simple for users to pay you.

That's why I liked Social Gold because it provided direct credit card
payment. Quick and clean.

Anyway I applied for Google Checkout In-App payments beta, no replies
yet. I will check out standard Google Checkout now.

What is needed for apps is an In-App payment system that is both
simple for users and developers ...
(Payments, Subscriptions, they can all be handled with a simple iframe
payment / callback information structure)


On Mar 4, 9:26 pm, anton savchuk  wrote:
> Oii.. it is good to know. thank you for this helpful information!

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[anton savchuk]

Yes I agree.. PayPal is extraordinary.. and he has more than one 90 page 
documents.. 

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Kaan Soral]

Google bought Social Gold, Social Gold was the greatest payment system
ever, even other payment providers used them, although they could
implement credit card processing and Paypal themselves

I hope Google In-App Payments keep the simplicity and excellence.
http://checkout.google.com/support/sell/bin/request.py?contact_type=inapp_payment

I have spent a lot of time reading Paypal services, each service was
missing something for me. Some of them didn't accept credit cards
directly, some of them didn't support subscriptions, some of them are
only available to US/Canada companies etc.
I have filled the form more than a week ago, I also have a very big
application to show off but I didn't received any reply yet.

On Mar 5, 9:21 am, anton savchuk  wrote:
> Yes, more likely PayPal will be decision.. He really does work..

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Iron Mountain Foundry]

I have fully implemented Google Checkout on my app, but I am less than
happy with the service.  For the most part, it works as advertised and
I'm fine with that.  I use Python and my own code to handle the API
requests and callbacks, and technically the system seems fine.

But there were two times that someone with Checkout decided to suspend
my account *without warning* and I had to first discover the reason
for the suspension and then deal with non-responsive support engineers
half a world away.  I would get a single email reply a day while my
customers were left waiting for my site to resume.  Even after I faxed
and emailed the requested documentation within minutes of their email
reply, I would have to wait another day to get my account restored.
Poor customer service by Checkout!

Another thing that I didn't expect is that some customers are afraid
of Google.  They don't like the idea of handing their credit card
information over to this giant company.  It's only a few customers,
but their fear is enough for them to send a check instead of using
Checkout for payment.  If Checkout would allow for a one-time payment
without requiring customers to create an account, that would be
great.  That is, I want an Authorize.net style gateway for Checkout so
people can enter all of their credit card info and be done with the
payment in just one step, without having to leave my website.

I like how Social Gold allows for multiple payment options (including
Checkout), and I hope the fees are closer to 2-3% (not the 6-10% shown
on their FAQ).  I just signed up for the beta, maybe this will be what
I am looking for.  In any case, there needs to be someone that I can
call 24x7 for customer support, especially when Google wants to take
actions without warning.  I really hated the fact that they could
contact me with any questions but just suspended activity without
warning.  It was really unprofessional.

I got halfway through implementing the PayPal payment system when that
happened, and I will complete that the next time Checkout behaves that
way.  I don't like the PayPal API, though.  It's too cumbersome.
Authorize.net is really nice but I need to open my own merchant
account for that, and they're not cheap (monthly fees, etc.).

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Kaan Soral]

Users should be able to pay without logging in to 3rd party services.
It seems no one provides such a system, I will probably use old Social
Gold system.

Amazon also lacks this.
And:
To sign up you will need to have:

* Your business name, contact information, and credit card
* US billing address

US billing address is a problem too

On Mar 18, 9:24 pm, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
> Thanks for this - Amazon does indeed look good.  At least, the
> notification architecture seems to be robust.  I will drop Paypal for
> now and integrate Amazon.
>
> I'm totally amazed at how janky payments infrastructure is.  Frivolous
> sites like twitter have serviceable apis, why not the people taking my
> money?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Joshua Smith  
> wrote:
> > I don't have a ton of use experience with it yet, but so far Amazon Simple 
> > Pay looks very good.  As with the EC2 and S3 stuff, the API is clearly 
> > designed by very, very smart people who really understand security and 
> > distributed systems.
>
> > Also, I'd bet that in a lot of demographics, already having an Amazon "1 
> > click" account set up is nearly universal.  So that would seem to reduce 
> > friction at checkout.
>
> > -Joshua
>
> > On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>
> >>> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
> >>> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
> >>> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
> >>> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
> >>> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
>
> >> I retract everything I said here.
>
> >> PayPal's API is a horrorshow.  It makes the Facebook API look rational.
>
> >> I won't get into the fact that their documentation is confusing and
> >> grossly inadequate.  The API is actually broken by design - I can't
> >> believe people use this stuff to handle money.
>
> >> IPN (the "reliable" messaging system) combines message verification
> >> with message acknowledgement.  You can't verify a message without
> >> accepting it - which means you either a) commit a bunch of
> >> unauthenticated data and figure out how to roll it back on failure or
> >> b) accept the message and then HOPE that nothing goes wrong during
> >> processing. Paypal's sample code all suggests strategy b), which is
> >> just grossly negligent.
>
> >> I could rant at length about how defective the messaging system is too
> >> (what uniquely identifies a message?  NOTHING!) but really this should
> >> go into a blog entry.  I've built porn-serving infrastructure that was
> >> 100 times more robust.
>
> >> I am deeply, deeply disappointed.  Even as abandonware, Google
> >> Checkout is better thought out.
>
> >> Jeff
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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout Integration

[Wooble]

Partially. The Checkout Notification API requires a secure connection,
and GAE doesn't have HTTPS support at the moment.

If you don't need your application to get order notifications, you can
probably use the rest of Google Checkout, but I imagine an e-commerce
application that can't get order notifications would be fairly
crippled. YMMV

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> Does it possible to integrate Google Checkout int my GAE application ?
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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout Integration

[natmartin]

Couldn't you just have an admin page that is polling for updates from
google checkout every 5 or 10 minutes or so to get the order
notifications?




On Sep 2, 9:58 am, Wooble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Partially. The Checkout Notification API requires a secure connection,
> and GAE doesn't have HTTPS support at the moment.
>
> If you don't need your application to get order notifications, you can
> probably use the rest of Google Checkout, but I imagine an e-commerce
> application that can't get order notifications would be fairly
> crippled. YMMV
>
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> > Hi
>
> > Does it possible to integrate Google Checkout int my GAE application ?
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Chris Copeland]

I just recently completed a Google Checkout integration for my GAE app.  The
fact that you are on GAE makes no difference except that if you do a level 2
integration you will have to use your app-name.appspot.com URL for the
callbacks since Google Checkout requires the callback URL to be secure.

All that said, if I had it to do over, I would definitely go with Pay Pal
(or someone else).  Checkout seems to be an abandoned product within
Google.  There are long-standing bugs that prevent some users from paying
and support (even for merchants) is almost nonexistent.

-Chris

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> I see.. thank you. Could you recommend some third-party libraries?
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[anton savchuk]

Oii.. it is good to know. thank you for this helpful information! 

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Gary Eberhart]

Clark Howard discourages the use of PayPal and I agree.

http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/scams-ripoffs/crooks-using-paypal-exploit-online-small-business-/nFhm/


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I'm about 80% through with both Google Checkout and Paypal integration
for a pure-digital service.  I must say, Google Checkout is VERY
disappointing - it seems to be an abandoned product.

 * The Java SDK doesn't even compile.
 * The binaries don't run on GAE (jaxb issues).
 * The documentation is not very helpful.

Basically you have to do your own XML processing.  The fact that the
server must submit to a valid HTTPS callback makes testing a pain in
the ass - this requirement exists even for the sandbox.  I had to
proxy through appengine *and* a cloud host ssh tunnel just to get the
@#$%! payload to my Eclipse dev system.  Overall the whole experience
feels janky and utterly fails to inspire trust.

Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".

Tirade over.

Jeff

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chris Copeland  wrote:
> I just recently completed a Google Checkout integration for my GAE app.  The
> fact that you are on GAE makes no difference except that if you do a level 2
> integration you will have to use your app-name.appspot.com URL for the
> callbacks since Google Checkout requires the callback URL to be secure.
>
> All that said, if I had it to do over, I would definitely go with Pay Pal
> (or someone else).  Checkout seems to be an abandoned product within
> Google.  There are long-standing bugs that prevent some users from paying
> and support (even for merchants) is almost nonexistent.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM, anton savchuk 
> wrote:
>>
>> I see.. thank you. Could you recommend some third-party libraries?
>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Duong BaTien]

Hi Jeff:

I will soon have to deal with this issue. It would be nice if you can
document your lesion learned, especially the best practice in regard to
local persistence with Ocjectify. Thanks for your effort and recently
released objectify-3.0x

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:

> I'm about 80% through with both Google Checkout and Paypal integration
> for a pure-digital service.  I must say, Google Checkout is VERY
> disappointing - it seems to be an abandoned product.
>
>  * The Java SDK doesn't even compile.
>  * The binaries don't run on GAE (jaxb issues).
>  * The documentation is not very helpful.
>
> Basically you have to do your own XML processing.  The fact that the
> server must submit to a valid HTTPS callback makes testing a pain in
> the ass - this requirement exists even for the sandbox.  I had to
> proxy through appengine *and* a cloud host ssh tunnel just to get the
> @#$%! payload to my Eclipse dev system.  Overall the whole experience
> feels janky and utterly fails to inspire trust.
>
> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
>
> Tirade over.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chris Copeland  wrote:
> > I just recently completed a Google Checkout integration for my GAE app.
> The
> > fact that you are on GAE makes no difference except that if you do a
> level 2
> > integration you will have to use your app-name.appspot.com URL for the
> > callbacks since Google Checkout requires the callback URL to be secure.
> >
> > All that said, if I had it to do over, I would definitely go with Pay Pal
> > (or someone else).  Checkout seems to be an abandoned product within
> > Google.  There are long-standing bugs that prevent some users from paying
> > and support (even for merchants) is almost nonexistent.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM, anton savchuk 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I see.. thank you. Could you recommend some third-party libraries?
> >>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Jeff Schnitzer]

There isn't much to say.  Do Paypal first, the documentation is better
and it requires fewer contortions.  You probably want to go straight
to the Web Payments Standard product.  Implement both PDT and IPN.

Jeff

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Duong BaTien  wrote:
> Hi Jeff:
> I will soon have to deal with this issue. It would be nice if you can
> document your lesion learned, especially the best practice in regard to
> local persistence with Ocjectify. Thanks for your effort and recently
> released objectify-3.0x
> Duong BaTien
> DBGROUPS and BudhNet
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>>
>> I'm about 80% through with both Google Checkout and Paypal integration
>> for a pure-digital service.  I must say, Google Checkout is VERY
>> disappointing - it seems to be an abandoned product.
>>
>>  * The Java SDK doesn't even compile.
>>  * The binaries don't run on GAE (jaxb issues).
>>  * The documentation is not very helpful.
>>
>> Basically you have to do your own XML processing.  The fact that the
>> server must submit to a valid HTTPS callback makes testing a pain in
>> the ass - this requirement exists even for the sandbox.  I had to
>> proxy through appengine *and* a cloud host ssh tunnel just to get the
>> @#$%! payload to my Eclipse dev system.  Overall the whole experience
>> feels janky and utterly fails to inspire trust.
>>
>> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
>> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
>> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
>> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
>> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
>>
>> Tirade over.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chris Copeland  wrote:
>> > I just recently completed a Google Checkout integration for my GAE app.
>> > The
>> > fact that you are on GAE makes no difference except that if you do a
>> > level 2
>> > integration you will have to use your app-name.appspot.com URL for the
>> > callbacks since Google Checkout requires the callback URL to be secure.
>> >
>> > All that said, if I had it to do over, I would definitely go with Pay
>> > Pal
>> > (or someone else).  Checkout seems to be an abandoned product within
>> > Google.  There are long-standing bugs that prevent some users from
>> > paying
>> > and support (even for merchants) is almost nonexistent.
>> >
>> > -Chris
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM, anton savchuk 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I see.. thank you. Could you recommend some third-party libraries?
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[anton savchuk]

Yes, more likely PayPal will be decision.. He really does work..

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Jeff Schnitzer]

Wow, thanks for that link!  This explains why Google Checkout seems
like abandonware - they're about to roll out a whole new system.  I've
applied for the beta program.

Jeff

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Kaan Soral  wrote:
> Google bought Social Gold, Social Gold was the greatest payment system
> ever, even other payment providers used them, although they could
> implement credit card processing and Paypal themselves
>
> I hope Google In-App Payments keep the simplicity and excellence.
> http://checkout.google.com/support/sell/bin/request.py?contact_type=inapp_payment
>
> I have spent a lot of time reading Paypal services, each service was
> missing something for me. Some of them didn't accept credit cards
> directly, some of them didn't support subscriptions, some of them are
> only available to US/Canada companies etc.
> I have filled the form more than a week ago, I also have a very big
> application to show off but I didn't received any reply yet.
>
> On Mar 5, 9:21 am, anton savchuk  wrote:
>> Yes, more likely PayPal will be decision.. He really does work..
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Duong BaTien]

Yes, I also applied for the beta program immediately seeing the link. Thanks

BaTien


On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:

> Wow, thanks for that link!  This explains why Google Checkout seems
> like abandonware - they're about to roll out a whole new system.  I've
> applied for the beta program.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Kaan Soral  wrote:
> > Google bought Social Gold, Social Gold was the greatest payment system
> > ever, even other payment providers used them, although they could
> > implement credit card processing and Paypal themselves
> >
> > I hope Google In-App Payments keep the simplicity and excellence.
> >
> http://checkout.google.com/support/sell/bin/request.py?contact_type=inapp_payment
> >
> > I have spent a lot of time reading Paypal services, each service was
> > missing something for me. Some of them didn't accept credit cards
> > directly, some of them didn't support subscriptions, some of them are
> > only available to US/Canada companies etc.
> > I have filled the form more than a week ago, I also have a very big
> > application to show off but I didn't received any reply yet.
> >
> > On Mar 5, 9:21 am, anton savchuk  wrote:
> >> Yes, more likely PayPal will be decision.. He really does work..
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Gary Eberhart]

+1 Me too.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Duong BaTien wrote:

> Yes, I also applied for the beta program immediately seeing the link.
> Thanks
>
> BaTien
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
>> Wow, thanks for that link!  This explains why Google Checkout seems
>> like abandonware - they're about to roll out a whole new system.  I've
>> applied for the beta program.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Kaan Soral  wrote:
>> > Google bought Social Gold, Social Gold was the greatest payment system
>> > ever, even other payment providers used them, although they could
>> > implement credit card processing and Paypal themselves
>> >
>> > I hope Google In-App Payments keep the simplicity and excellence.
>> >
>> http://checkout.google.com/support/sell/bin/request.py?contact_type=inapp_payment
>> >
>> > I have spent a lot of time reading Paypal services, each service was
>> > missing something for me. Some of them didn't accept credit cards
>> > directly, some of them didn't support subscriptions, some of them are
>> > only available to US/Canada companies etc.
>> > I have filled the form more than a week ago, I also have a very big
>> > application to show off but I didn't received any reply yet.
>> >
>> > On Mar 5, 9:21 am, anton savchuk  wrote:
>> >> Yes, more likely PayPal will be decision.. He really does work..
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>
> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".

I retract everything I said here.

PayPal's API is a horrorshow.  It makes the Facebook API look rational.

I won't get into the fact that their documentation is confusing and
grossly inadequate.  The API is actually broken by design - I can't
believe people use this stuff to handle money.

IPN (the "reliable" messaging system) combines message verification
with message acknowledgement.  You can't verify a message without
accepting it - which means you either a) commit a bunch of
unauthenticated data and figure out how to roll it back on failure or
b) accept the message and then HOPE that nothing goes wrong during
processing. Paypal's sample code all suggests strategy b), which is
just grossly negligent.

I could rant at length about how defective the messaging system is too
(what uniquely identifies a message?  NOTHING!) but really this should
go into a blog entry.  I've built porn-serving infrastructure that was
100 times more robust.

I am deeply, deeply disappointed.  Even as abandonware, Google
Checkout is better thought out.

Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Joshua Smith]

I don't have a ton of use experience with it yet, but so far Amazon Simple Pay 
looks very good.  As with the EC2 and S3 stuff, the API is clearly designed by 
very, very smart people who really understand security and distributed systems.

Also, I'd bet that in a lot of demographics, already having an Amazon "1 click" 
account set up is nearly universal.  So that would seem to reduce friction at 
checkout.

-Joshua

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>> 
>> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
>> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
>> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
>> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
>> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
> 
> I retract everything I said here.
> 
> PayPal's API is a horrorshow.  It makes the Facebook API look rational.
> 
> I won't get into the fact that their documentation is confusing and
> grossly inadequate.  The API is actually broken by design - I can't
> believe people use this stuff to handle money.
> 
> IPN (the "reliable" messaging system) combines message verification
> with message acknowledgement.  You can't verify a message without
> accepting it - which means you either a) commit a bunch of
> unauthenticated data and figure out how to roll it back on failure or
> b) accept the message and then HOPE that nothing goes wrong during
> processing. Paypal's sample code all suggests strategy b), which is
> just grossly negligent.
> 
> I could rant at length about how defective the messaging system is too
> (what uniquely identifies a message?  NOTHING!) but really this should
> go into a blog entry.  I've built porn-serving infrastructure that was
> 100 times more robust.
> 
> I am deeply, deeply disappointed.  Even as abandonware, Google
> Checkout is better thought out.
> 
> Jeff
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Jeff Schnitzer]

Thanks for this - Amazon does indeed look good.  At least, the
notification architecture seems to be robust.  I will drop Paypal for
now and integrate Amazon.

I'm totally amazed at how janky payments infrastructure is.  Frivolous
sites like twitter have serviceable apis, why not the people taking my
money?

Jeff

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Joshua Smith  wrote:
> I don't have a ton of use experience with it yet, but so far Amazon Simple 
> Pay looks very good.  As with the EC2 and S3 stuff, the API is clearly 
> designed by very, very smart people who really understand security and 
> distributed systems.
>
> Also, I'd bet that in a lot of demographics, already having an Amazon "1 
> click" account set up is nearly universal.  So that would seem to reduce 
> friction at checkout.
>
> -Joshua
>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
>>> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
>>> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
>>> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
>>> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
>>
>> I retract everything I said here.
>>
>> PayPal's API is a horrorshow.  It makes the Facebook API look rational.
>>
>> I won't get into the fact that their documentation is confusing and
>> grossly inadequate.  The API is actually broken by design - I can't
>> believe people use this stuff to handle money.
>>
>> IPN (the "reliable" messaging system) combines message verification
>> with message acknowledgement.  You can't verify a message without
>> accepting it - which means you either a) commit a bunch of
>> unauthenticated data and figure out how to roll it back on failure or
>> b) accept the message and then HOPE that nothing goes wrong during
>> processing. Paypal's sample code all suggests strategy b), which is
>> just grossly negligent.
>>
>> I could rant at length about how defective the messaging system is too
>> (what uniquely identifies a message?  NOTHING!) but really this should
>> go into a blog entry.  I've built porn-serving infrastructure that was
>> 100 times more robust.
>>
>> I am deeply, deeply disappointed.  Even as abandonware, Google
>> Checkout is better thought out.
>>
>> Jeff
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout

[Jeff Schnitzer]

Users shouldn't have to pay by typing in long strings of digits
either, but here we are.  If programmers focused on payment systems
one tenth the amount of effort they put into masturbatory timewasters
like twitter, the Real World might not suck so much.

My new advice to new college grads:  Don't go straight into
ycombinator and try to build a Hot New Social Startup right out of
school.  Go to work for a bank or a big retailer or a real estate
company or even the freaking DMV, and learn a bit about problem
domains other than what will get you laid at SXSW.  Maybe then you'll
make something the world actually wants, and even make a few bucks
besides.

Jeff

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Kaan Soral  wrote:
> Users should be able to pay without logging in to 3rd party services.
> It seems no one provides such a system, I will probably use old Social
> Gold system.
>
> Amazon also lacks this.
> And:
> To sign up you will need to have:
>
>    * Your business name, contact information, and credit card
>    * US billing address
>
> US billing address is a problem too
>
> On Mar 18, 9:24 pm, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:
>> Thanks for this - Amazon does indeed look good.  At least, the
>> notification architecture seems to be robust.  I will drop Paypal for
>> now and integrate Amazon.
>>
>> I'm totally amazed at how janky payments infrastructure is.  Frivolous
>> sites like twitter have serviceable apis, why not the people taking my
>> money?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Joshua Smith  
>> wrote:
>> > I don't have a ton of use experience with it yet, but so far Amazon Simple 
>> > Pay looks very good.  As with the EC2 and S3 stuff, the API is clearly 
>> > designed by very, very smart people who really understand security and 
>> > distributed systems.
>>
>> > Also, I'd bet that in a lot of demographics, already having an Amazon "1 
>> > click" account set up is nearly universal.  So that would seem to reduce 
>> > friction at checkout.
>>
>> > -Joshua
>>
>> > On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Say what you will about Paypal's evil eye and their confusing product
>> >>> line, at least the integration is going fairly smoothly.  It feels
>> >>> like 1990s technology but it works.  The most helpful advice I can
>> >>> offer:  Forget everything else on their stupid overmarketed website
>> >>> and go straight for "Web Payments Standard".
>>
>> >> I retract everything I said here.
>>
>> >> PayPal's API is a horrorshow.  It makes the Facebook API look rational.
>>
>> >> I won't get into the fact that their documentation is confusing and
>> >> grossly inadequate.  The API is actually broken by design - I can't
>> >> believe people use this stuff to handle money.
>>
>> >> IPN (the "reliable" messaging system) combines message verification
>> >> with message acknowledgement.  You can't verify a message without
>> >> accepting it - which means you either a) commit a bunch of
>> >> unauthenticated data and figure out how to roll it back on failure or
>> >> b) accept the message and then HOPE that nothing goes wrong during
>> >> processing. Paypal's sample code all suggests strategy b), which is
>> >> just grossly negligent.
>>
>> >> I could rant at length about how defective the messaging system is too
>> >> (what uniquely identifies a message?  NOTHING!) but really this should
>> >> go into a blog entry.  I've built porn-serving infrastructure that was
>> >> 100 times more robust.
>>
>> >> I am deeply, deeply disappointed.  Even as abandonware, Google
>> >> Checkout is better thought out.
>>
>> >> Jeff
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: Google checkout must die

[Albert]

+1

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 3:10:20 AM UTC+8, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Seriously, this is ridiculous.
>
> We've been trying to enable billing on our sandbox/demo appid for the
> last two hours.  We have a customer waiting for a demo and we can't
> give it.
>
> Please, PLEASE do something about this abomination.  I love appengine,
> but the billing system is retarded.  It makes the Phone Company look
> high tech.
>
> Every time we enable billing, it says "ok" and status goes to
> Activating Billing.  After some random amount of time it goes back to
> Free mode with no error messages.  Trying toenable it again emails
> a nastygram: Comments from Google Services: "This inactive
> subscription has been canceled" ...and goes back to Activating
> Billing.  Round and round we go.
>
> Appid is voosttest.  Yes we've filed a request at the billing form.
>
> Put this in context.  I can walk up to a janky ATM in Guatemala, put
> in a card, and get money out of it immediately.  I can whip out a
> credit card in nearly any store in the world, buy thousands of dollars
> of merchandise, and walk out with it.  And yet the most technically
> sophisticated corporation in the world needs 30+ minutes to process a
> simple sale - when it works at all?  I struggle to imagine what could
> make this so complicated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Google checkout must die

[doright]

+1 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/ug3wkV4-1cw

during my 4 hour production outage last night - during Easter Bank Holiday 
weekend, my clients busiest so far this year - I had plenty of time to 
think of analogies.

here's my favorite:
Google is the NASA of tech firms.  They sell space-travel to us mortals. 
 That's all good, space travel they can do.  Trouble is they employed the 
dumbest bouncer in the world to let people onto their high tech spacecraft.

me: "um, but I've been using your spaceships all year, and have been very 
happy. You have my credit card, and I have important clients here waiting. 
I've spent over a year telling them how good you are at Space travel, they 
are willing to pay, please let me continue to have access to the universes 
riches"
bouncer: "***  off I don't like your trainers"  (being an automated bouncer 
his actual words were "A charge has been issued to the billing 
administrator. *(You will be able to make changes to your budget settings 
again once the outstanding payment is processed.)* "

:(


On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:10:20 PM UTC+2, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Seriously, this is ridiculous.
>
> We've been trying to enable billing on our sandbox/demo appid for the
> last two hours.  We have a customer waiting for a demo and we can't
> give it.
>
> Please, PLEASE do something about this abomination.  I love appengine,
> but the billing system is retarded.  It makes the Phone Company look
> high tech.
>
> Every time we enable billing, it says "ok" and status goes to
> Activating Billing.  After some random amount of time it goes back to
> Free mode with no error messages.  Trying toenable it again emails
> a nastygram: Comments from Google Services: "This inactive
> subscription has been canceled" ...and goes back to Activating
> Billing.  Round and round we go.
>
> Appid is voosttest.  Yes we've filed a request at the billing form.
>
> Put this in context.  I can walk up to a janky ATM in Guatemala, put
> in a card, and get money out of it immediately.  I can whip out a
> credit card in nearly any store in the world, buy thousands of dollars
> of merchandise, and walk out with it.  And yet the most technically
> sophisticated corporation in the world needs 30+ minutes to process a
> simple sale - when it works at all?  I struggle to imagine what could
> make this so complicated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Google checkout must die

[Daniel Florey]

I've also enabled billing for a lot of apps and it turns out that in many 
cases activating billing just redirects the user to the payment screen over 
and over again.
After a while billing may be activated, even though the success page is 
never displayed.
This is indeed annoying ... but on the other hand I'd be very happy to use 
checkout to pay my premier account instead of sending a checks with Fedex 
from Germany to the US ;-)

On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:10:20 PM UTC+2, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Seriously, this is ridiculous.
>
> We've been trying to enable billing on our sandbox/demo appid for the
> last two hours.  We have a customer waiting for a demo and we can't
> give it.
>
> Please, PLEASE do something about this abomination.  I love appengine,
> but the billing system is retarded.  It makes the Phone Company look
> high tech.
>
> Every time we enable billing, it says "ok" and status goes to
> Activating Billing.  After some random amount of time it goes back to
> Free mode with no error messages.  Trying toenable it again emails
> a nastygram: Comments from Google Services: "This inactive
> subscription has been canceled" ...and goes back to Activating
> Billing.  Round and round we go.
>
> Appid is voosttest.  Yes we've filed a request at the billing form.
>
> Put this in context.  I can walk up to a janky ATM in Guatemala, put
> in a card, and get money out of it immediately.  I can whip out a
> credit card in nearly any store in the world, buy thousands of dollars
> of merchandise, and walk out with it.  And yet the most technically
> sophisticated corporation in the world needs 30+ minutes to process a
> simple sale - when it works at all?  I struggle to imagine what could
> make this so complicated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Google checkout must die

[poke]

+1 
Google Checkout is killing me :( .

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 2:10:20 AM UTC+7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Seriously, this is ridiculous.
>
> We've been trying to enable billing on our sandbox/demo appid for the
> last two hours.  We have a customer waiting for a demo and we can't
> give it.
>
> Please, PLEASE do something about this abomination.  I love appengine,
> but the billing system is retarded.  It makes the Phone Company look
> high tech.
>
> Every time we enable billing, it says "ok" and status goes to
> Activating Billing.  After some random amount of time it goes back to
> Free mode with no error messages.  Trying toenable it again emails
> a nastygram: Comments from Google Services: "This inactive
> subscription has been canceled" ...and goes back to Activating
> Billing.  Round and round we go.
>
> Appid is voosttest.  Yes we've filed a request at the billing form.
>
> Put this in context.  I can walk up to a janky ATM in Guatemala, put
> in a card, and get money out of it immediately.  I can whip out a
> credit card in nearly any store in the world, buy thousands of dollars
> of merchandise, and walk out with it.  And yet the most technically
> sophisticated corporation in the world needs 30+ minutes to process a
> simple sale - when it works at all?  I struggle to imagine what could
> make this so complicated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Google checkout must die

[Gwyn Howell]

+1. by the way, is it google checkout, or google wallet?!

On Friday, 6 April 2012 20:10:20 UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Seriously, this is ridiculous.
>
> We've been trying to enable billing on our sandbox/demo appid for the
> last two hours.  We have a customer waiting for a demo and we can't
> give it.
>
> Please, PLEASE do something about this abomination.  I love appengine,
> but the billing system is retarded.  It makes the Phone Company look
> high tech.
>
> Every time we enable billing, it says "ok" and status goes to
> Activating Billing.  After some random amount of time it goes back to
> Free mode with no error messages.  Trying toenable it again emails
> a nastygram: Comments from Google Services: "This inactive
> subscription has been canceled" ...and goes back to Activating
> Billing.  Round and round we go.
>
> Appid is voosttest.  Yes we've filed a request at the billing form.
>
> Put this in context.  I can walk up to a janky ATM in Guatemala, put
> in a card, and get money out of it immediately.  I can whip out a
> credit card in nearly any store in the world, buy thousands of dollars
> of merchandise, and walk out with it.  And yet the most technically
> sophisticated corporation in the world needs 30+ minutes to process a
> simple sale - when it works at all?  I struggle to imagine what could
> make this so complicated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout with GAE?

[pythono]

I've managed to do it. If you sign up for a Checkout Sandbox customer
account at https://sandbox.google.com/checkout/sell/orders (sandbox
accounts don't actually charge any credit card), you can test out my
implementation here: http://www.gaeboard.com/ ( or http://gae-board.appspot.com/
).

Just click login on the top-right and after logging in, click
"account" next to your username at the top-right.  Then click "Buy
More" next to the "¢100" and you can try buying some "GAE-Bits" (the
name of my app's virtual currency).

It's a bit tricky at first, but once you figure it out it's not too
difficult.  Also it's important to note that for API integration you
need to use a secure URL (https) which is currently only available
under your appspot domain.  This is only required for communication
between your server (on appengine) and google checkout's server, so
your users don't have to be confused by any URL change if your on a
private domain.

Arjun

On Mar 27, 12:05 pm, bvelasquez  wrote:
> Recently, has anyone had success integrating GAE with Google Checkout
> and Subscriptions using a Python wrapper?  I looked at gchecky but see
> no example of integrating that with GAE or the beta subscription
> option.  I'm searching for an example implementation before I dive in
> and figure it all out for myself and am hoping someone here has had
> some experience with this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Barry

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

[Francois Masurel]

Same here, in France.

May be we could have some monthly billing ?

Francois

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

[Nikolai]

Thank you. I starred the issue.

On Sep 5, 4:47 pm, Francois Masurel  wrote:
> In fact, the feature request already exists :
>
> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1999

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + App engine stinks

[Julian Namaro]

Not ideal but not the end of the world either. This delay might be
needed to combat fraud which is a big difficulty for electronic money
services.


On Apr 17, 2:47 pm, Daniel  wrote:
> Every single time I try to up my quota, and pay a bit more for
> appengine, google checkout messes up and I have to wait 30 minutes to
> even attempt again.  Granted most of my problems lie in the fact that
> I'm using a google apps account.  My most recent attempt was thwarted
> when google checkout redirected me to combine a personal and google
> apps account, locking up appengine again and apparently deleting my
> google checkout account.  So now I have an application over quota
> linked to a non-existent google checkout account and I can't do
> anything for 30 minutes.
>
> Seriously, there has to be a better way to deal with billing.  I don't
> think I have ever seen an online application that had a 30 minute
> waiting period every time you made any attempt to change billing
> (especially the numerous failed attempts I'm riddled with).  I have
> ended up stuck in this ridiculous waiting period at least ten times
> and I don't think it's user error, rather flawed design on the app
> engine teams part.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

[Johan Euphrosine]

I encourage you to fill a feature request for that:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Feature%20request

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Francois Masurel  wrote:
> Same here, in France.
> May be we could have some monthly billing ?
> Francois
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

[Francois Masurel]

In fact, the feature request already exists :

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1999

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[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout "Rate Your Experience" emails

[Nick Johnson (Google)]

Hi Ben,

Thanks for the heads-up. We recognize it can be pretty annoying, and we're
working on it.

-Nick

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Ben Nevile  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Is there any way to get Google Checkout to stop sending me "Rate your
> shopping experience" emails?  I've answered them, but they keep
> coming.  I have a handful of apps and each of them generates a
> checkout charge once a day, which means I get a handful of "rate your
> shopping experience" emails every day.
>
> Ben
>
>
> >
>


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