[google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Thanks Johan, I see your billing scheme, and I can sort of understand what the different terms mean, but it is difficult to wrap my brain around what the costs actually end up being in a real website. It would be helpful to get some examples of what other people have actually paid, and what kind of usage they have. I just need to make some rough estimates, so any examples will do. On Jul 21, 7:50 am, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > Hi Kwame, > > The current billing documentation is > here:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > However later this year we will introduce a new billing scheme which > is described > here:http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html > > Community members that are willing to share metrics about their QPS, > current quota usage and billing are more than welcome to comment to > this threads. > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kwame wrote: > > I've been using Appengine for a while, and I haven't yet exhausted my > > free quota. I'm running a business and I would need to set a budget > > for my server costs. I'm not able to understand how the billing units > > like CPU Time, Outgoing Bandwidth, Incoming Bandwidth & Total Stored > > data apply in real world usage of a typical busy website. Can anyone > > give me some sample charges for a typical website and approximately > > how much of these resources can be expected to be consumed, so I can > > compare with my site to get an approximate estimate. > > > Thanks. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- > Johan Euphrosine (proppy) > Developer Programs Engineer > Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Thanks Robert. The reason I ask in such a general way is because it is difficult to make such estimates at this time. The site is still new so it doesn't have much traffic. I have accountant types breathing down my neck asking for ballpark numbers! So, basically I just need a scenario of any website on appspot, which has some metrics and also can provide the amount they spend monthly on Appengine. This way my guys can make projections about future costs, based on projected use. This will also have implications for design modifications. Thanks for you help Robert. On Jul 22, 2:08 am, Robert Kluin wrote: > Every site and app are different. Without any idea of what you're doing > there is no way to compare. What kind of traffic levels do you expect? Will > each request hit the data store, how many times? Will there be back end > processing involved? > > Robert > > On Jul 21, 2011 8:01 AM, "Kwame" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Johan, > > > I see your billing scheme, and I can sort of understand what the > > different terms mean, but it is difficult to wrap my brain around what > > the costs actually end up being in a real website. It would be helpful > > to get some examples of what other people have actually paid, and what > > kind of usage they have. I just need to make some rough estimates, so > > any examples will do. > > > On Jul 21, 7:50 am, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > > > Hi Kwame, > > > > The current billing documentation is here: > > http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > > > However later this year we will introduce a new billing scheme which > > > is described here: > > http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Community members that are willing to share metrics about their QPS, > > > current quota usage and billing are more than welcome to comment to > > > this threads. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kwame wrote: > > > > I've been using Appengine for a while, and I haven't yet exhausted my > > > > free quota. I'm running a business and I would need to set a budget > > > > for my server costs. I'm not able to understand how the billing units > > > > like CPU Time, Outgoing Bandwidth, Incoming Bandwidth & Total Stored > > > > data apply in real world usage of a typical busy website. Can anyone > > > > give me some sample charges for a typical website and approximately > > > > how much of these resources can be expected to be consumed, so I can > > > > compare with my site to get an approximate estimate. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Google App Engine" group.> > > To post to this group, send email to > google-appengine@googlegroups.com > . > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> > > For more options, visit > this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Johan Euphrosine (proppy) > > > Developer Programs Engineer > > > Google Developer Relations > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group.> To post to this group, send email to > google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit this > group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Generally, with the new billing scheme if you don't have a good monetization model you shouldn't use AppEngine I am always building products that are ad-monetized and for example today my ECPM dropped from 0.9 to 0.04 The income is still greater than AppEngine costs but I am sure I will be on the edge or over the edge with the new scheme On Jul 24, 9:35 am, Robert Kluin wrote: > Hi, > I've seen apps that are doing maybe a couple million requests per day cost > $50 a day, I've seen apps doing tens of millions of requests a day cost $50 > a day, and I've seen apps do over one hundred million requests in a day cost > $500 a day. It completely depends on how intensive your app is to run. > > Robert > > On Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM, "Kwame" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Can you elaborate a little more on your costs using Appengine? It will be very useful information for us. What we need to know is what we should expect as our site scales up in users. Approximately how many requests are you getting and how much is it costing you? Thanks. On Jul 24, 3:48 pm, Kaan Soral wrote: > Generally, with the new billing scheme if you don't have a good > monetization model you shouldn't use AppEngine > > I am always building products that are ad-monetized and for example > today my ECPM dropped from 0.9 to 0.04 > > The income is still greater than AppEngine costs but I am sure I will > be on the edge or over the edge with the new scheme > > On Jul 24, 9:35 am, Robert Kluin wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I've seen apps that are doing maybe a couple million requests per day cost > > $50 a day, I've seen apps doing tens of millions of requests a day cost $50 > > a day, and I've seen apps do over one hundred million requests in a day cost > > $500 a day. It completely depends on how intensive your app is to run. > > > Robert > > > On Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM, "Kwame" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Quick question Bart. The other day someone asked me how many "Hits" my site received per day. Since I use App engine, the metrics available to me on the Dashboard are Requests/Sec. I'm no math whiz, so this might seem like a dumb question... but how can I extrapolate from that, how many Requests I'm getting per day? Some how, multiplying my Requests/Sec by 60 * 60 * 24 just doesn't seem right !? On Jul 21, 9:42 am, Bart Thate wrote: > Hoi Kwame, > > sample billing in which you can see what your app is going to cost in the > new billing system is going to be here "soon", see the IRC chat log for more > information about that. > > Greetings, > > Bart > > programming schizofrenic - http://tinyurl.com/bart-thate > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Kwame wrote: > > Thanks Johan, > > > I see your billing scheme, and I can sort of understand what the > > different terms mean, but it is difficult to wrap my brain around what > > the costs actually end up being in a real website. It would be helpful > > to get some examples of what other people have actually paid, and what > > kind of usage they have. I just need to make some rough estimates, so > > any examples will do. > > > On Jul 21, 7:50 am, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > > > Hi Kwame, > > > > The current billing documentation is here: > >http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > > > However later this year we will introduce a new billing scheme which > > > is described here: > >http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html > > > > Community members that are willing to share metrics about their QPS, > > > current quota usage and billing are more than welcome to comment to > > > this threads. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kwame wrote: > > > > I've been using Appengine for a while, and I haven't yet exhausted my > > > > free quota. I'm running a business and I would need to set a budget > > > > for my server costs. I'm not able to understand how the billing units > > > > like CPU Time, Outgoing Bandwidth, Incoming Bandwidth & Total Stored > > > > data apply in real world usage of a typical busy website. Can anyone > > > > give me some sample charges for a typical website and approximately > > > > how much of these resources can be expected to be consumed, so I can > > > > compare with my site to get an approximate estimate. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Google App Engine" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com > > . > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Johan Euphrosine (proppy) > > > Developer Programs Engineer > > > Google Developer Relations > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Hoi Kwame, sample billing in which you can see what your app is going to cost in the new billing system is going to be here "soon", see the IRC chat log for more information about that. Greetings, Bart programming schizofrenic - http://tinyurl.com/bart-thate On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Kwame wrote: > Thanks Johan, > > I see your billing scheme, and I can sort of understand what the > different terms mean, but it is difficult to wrap my brain around what > the costs actually end up being in a real website. It would be helpful > to get some examples of what other people have actually paid, and what > kind of usage they have. I just need to make some rough estimates, so > any examples will do. > > > > On Jul 21, 7:50 am, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > > Hi Kwame, > > > > The current billing documentation is here: > http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > > > However later this year we will introduce a new billing scheme which > > is described here: > http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html > > > > Community members that are willing to share metrics about their QPS, > > current quota usage and billing are more than welcome to comment to > > this threads. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kwame wrote: > > > I've been using Appengine for a while, and I haven't yet exhausted my > > > free quota. I'm running a business and I would need to set a budget > > > for my server costs. I'm not able to understand how the billing units > > > like CPU Time, Outgoing Bandwidth, Incoming Bandwidth & Total Stored > > > data apply in real world usage of a typical busy website. Can anyone > > > give me some sample charges for a typical website and approximately > > > how much of these resources can be expected to be consumed, so I can > > > compare with my site to get an approximate estimate. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Google App Engine" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Johan Euphrosine (proppy) > > Developer Programs Engineer > > Google Developer Relations > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Every site and app are different. Without any idea of what you're doing there is no way to compare. What kind of traffic levels do you expect? Will each request hit the data store, how many times? Will there be back end processing involved? Robert On Jul 21, 2011 8:01 AM, "Kwame" wrote: > > Thanks Johan, > > I see your billing scheme, and I can sort of understand what the > different terms mean, but it is difficult to wrap my brain around what > the costs actually end up being in a real website. It would be helpful > to get some examples of what other people have actually paid, and what > kind of usage they have. I just need to make some rough estimates, so > any examples will do. > > > > On Jul 21, 7:50 am, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > > Hi Kwame, > > > > The current billing documentation is here: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html > > > > However later this year we will introduce a new billing scheme which > > is described here: http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html > > > > Community members that are willing to share metrics about their QPS, > > current quota usage and billing are more than welcome to comment to > > this threads. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kwame wrote: > > > I've been using Appengine for a while, and I haven't yet exhausted my > > > free quota. I'm running a business and I would need to set a budget > > > for my server costs. I'm not able to understand how the billing units > > > like CPU Time, Outgoing Bandwidth, Incoming Bandwidth & Total Stored > > > data apply in real world usage of a typical busy website. Can anyone > > > give me some sample charges for a typical website and approximately > > > how much of these resources can be expected to be consumed, so I can > > > compare with my site to get an approximate estimate. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Johan Euphrosine (proppy) > > Developer Programs Engineer > > Google Developer Relations > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Need help understanding Appengine billing
Hi, I've seen apps that are doing maybe a couple million requests per day cost $50 a day, I've seen apps doing tens of millions of requests a day cost $50 a day, and I've seen apps do over one hundred million requests in a day cost $500 a day. It completely depends on how intensive your app is to run. Robert On Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM, "Kwame" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
