Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
the GAE isn't cross-compiling, javac is doing the compiling (the real java compiler), so it's kind of a moot argument. The point is, the system runs java, not g-java, not pseudo-java, it's java. It just doesn't have all the libraries you want. That's all. It's written in the Java programming language (or Scala, or Groovy JRuby or anything else that runs on the JVM) and runs on a JVM... it's Java. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Bobby bobbysoa...@gmail.com wrote: Suppose someone writes an app in C and wishes to cross compile to Java. In that scenario, if some C class is unsupported by the cross- compiler, then does the C app stop being a C app? No. Bobby On Dec 1, 4:10 am, Bobby bobbysoa...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe for terminology's sake it would make sense to detach the GAE from any language associations and just indicate that there are cross- compilers from Java/Python to GAE. Then there would be no question on whether it's technically Java - one does write in Java, it's just that the cross-compiler has its own requirements and limitations. Is that any better? :) Bobby On Nov 30, 2:58 pm, Nicolas Melendez nmelen...@getsense.com.ar wrote: if we are going to collaborate each other, we need the right names because communication is critical. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jess Evans laphroai...@gmail.com wrote: There are innovators who attempt to advance the field and be the first. They appeal to the desperate and the early adopters with nothing to loose and much to gain. There are guardians with deep experience who strive to ensure reliability and predictability. They appeal to those upon whom many are dependent; those with everything to lose and little to gain. Both camps are invaluable. Incorrectly categorizing a technology, or failing to understand who you're employed to represent, are personal problems. On Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: I, for one, am sick and tired of Sun's domineering, suffocating stranglehold on what is and isn't Java. GAE is a breath of fresh air. JavaME and JavaEE also impose a variety of limitations on Java. What's the difference between those and GAE? The difference is that Sun got a committee of big company representatives with their own vested interests in a closed room and argued about how the official specs should work for years... and ultimately produced a bunch of crap that is barely useful to anyone. Just *try* out Websphere sometime, I dare you. For the first time ever, someone has produced a shared application service model for Java that's even easier than PHP. This could never have come out of the JCP. If this is destroying java, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine fo... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
I, for one, am sick and tired of Sun's domineering, suffocating stranglehold on what is and isn't Java. GAE is a breath of fresh air. JavaME and JavaEE also impose a variety of limitations on Java. What's the difference between those and GAE? The difference is that Sun got a committee of big company representatives with their own vested interests in a closed room and argued about how the official specs should work for years... and ultimately produced a bunch of crap that is barely useful to anyone. Just *try* out Websphere sometime, I dare you. For the first time ever, someone has produced a shared application service model for Java that's even easier than PHP. This could never have come out of the JCP. If this is destroying java, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
There are innovators who attempt to advance the field and be the first. They appeal to the desperate and the early adopters with nothing to loose and much to gain. There are guardians with deep experience who strive to ensure reliability and predictability. They appeal to those upon whom many are dependent; those with everything to lose and little to gain. Both camps are invaluable. Incorrectly categorizing a technology, or failing to understand who you're employed to represent, are personal problems. On Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: I, for one, am sick and tired of Sun's domineering, suffocating stranglehold on what is and isn't Java. GAE is a breath of fresh air. JavaME and JavaEE also impose a variety of limitations on Java. What's the difference between those and GAE? The difference is that Sun got a committee of big company representatives with their own vested interests in a closed room and argued about how the official specs should work for years... and ultimately produced a bunch of crap that is barely useful to anyone. Just *try* out Websphere sometime, I dare you. For the first time ever, someone has produced a shared application service model for Java that's even easier than PHP. This could never have come out of the JCP. If this is destroying java, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine fo... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
if we are going to collaborate each other, we need the right names because communication is critical. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jess Evans laphroai...@gmail.com wrote: There are innovators who attempt to advance the field and be the first. They appeal to the desperate and the early adopters with nothing to loose and much to gain. There are guardians with deep experience who strive to ensure reliability and predictability. They appeal to those upon whom many are dependent; those with everything to lose and little to gain. Both camps are invaluable. Incorrectly categorizing a technology, or failing to understand who you're employed to represent, are personal problems. On Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: I, for one, am sick and tired of Sun's domineering, suffocating stranglehold on what is and isn't Java. GAE is a breath of fresh air. JavaME and JavaEE also impose a variety of limitations on Java. What's the difference between those and GAE? The difference is that Sun got a committee of big company representatives with their own vested interests in a closed room and argued about how the official specs should work for years... and ultimately produced a bunch of crap that is barely useful to anyone. Just *try* out Websphere sometime, I dare you. For the first time ever, someone has produced a shared application service model for Java that's even easier than PHP. This could never have come out of the JCP. If this is destroying java, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine fo... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
i agree. should be called different. call it gJava, googleJava or whatever. bye, NM On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Diana Cruise diana.l.cru...@gmail.comwrote: I'm curious which classes you are referring to that are missing and are NOT considered a stability risk running under a shared app server environment. We are developing in Java with this solution so I don't mind the naming...I have yet to need a class not offered, guess I have been lucky :) So, what would you recommend calling it? On Nov 27, 12:04 pm, jago java.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is not Java! The whitelist is ridiculous: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/jrewhitelist.html There is so much missing I don't even know where to start. Is there an issue I can star that extends the whitelist to the full Java6 lib? This is destroying the Java standard and shouldn't be called Java. Every other company that tries to do an implementation of Java and call it Java gets a massive punch from Sun. Why is Google allowed to use Java6 with a whitelist and still call it Java? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Why is it called Google App Engine for Java ?
i belive GAE is good for small application. i made one with three forms and it was good. For medium or big applications use your own server and db, and enjoy freedom. maybe in the future will grow up, and will be ok for medium and big. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM, jago java.j...@gmail.com wrote: We know use it for 2 month and are finally completely stuck. This means bye-bye appengine and realizing our losses. The Google Web Toolkit is also not called the Google Java Web Toolkit. http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/overview.html does not give a peep about a whitelist! They should directly in the paragrah enter a box and write in red: attention, there is a whitelist of usable classes! Be aware of this! Whenever I heard Java before we knew that we dealt with a certain standard. There should be zero mention of the word 'Java' anywhere if it isn't a real Java! What does it mean if they use the Java6 JVM? The Java6 JVM allows multithreading and other things are missing - so not even the JVM claim is true. But the JVM has little to do with the standard 'Java'. What according to Sun deserves the name 'Java'? Answer: Sun is attempting to impose before providing Harmony with Java Compatibility Kit (JCK) technology necessary to demonstrate full Java functionality. Source: http://www.itpro.co.uk/109790/apache-sun-in-java-licensing-clash Does Google Appengine Java pass the JCK? No effing way! So don't call it Java! Call it jAppengine oder AppengineJ. In the end all they support is Java syntax and a couple of classes. On Nov 27, 8:13 pm, Nicolas Melendez nmelen...@getsense.com.ar wrote: i agree. should be called different. call it gJava, googleJava or whatever. bye, NM On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Diana Cruise diana.l.cru...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious which classes you are referring to that are missing and are NOT considered a stability risk running under a shared app server environment. We are developing in Java with this solution so I don't mind the naming...I have yet to need a class not offered, guess I have been lucky :) So, what would you recommend calling it? On Nov 27, 12:04 pm, jago java.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is not Java! The whitelist is ridiculous: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/jrewhitelist.html There is so much missing I don't even know where to start. Is there an issue I can star that extends the whitelist to the full Java6 lib? This is destroying the Java standard and shouldn't be called Java. Every other company that tries to do an implementation of Java and call it Java gets a massive punch from Sun. Why is Google allowed to use Java6 with a whitelist and still call it Java? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com google-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
