Re: Using Smart GWT in GWT MVP framework with maven
Please input the pom.xml of your project. Em sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 02h56min54s UTC-3, karthikeyan p escreveu: Hi, Currently there is a requirement in our project for drag and drop feature in the tree format. So we are planning to use smart GWT. But when i include smart gwt dependencies in the pom.xml and start the project in jetty using mvn run. The application is throwing error in GWT GIN injector,but i have not used any smart gwt wigedt in our project just i have added the dependencies in the pom.xml i don't know why it is getting failed. if i remove the dependencies the application is loading properly. Can anyone advise me that where iam missing something or any other example to use the smart gwt with the mvp + maven . Thanks, Karthik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/HItbdw2JOoIJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
Using ExGWT means you have to buy a commercial licence or open source your code. This can be an issue for small development or companies. We personally used SmartGWT and I'm very pleased about the implementation. We had some small issues that we could bypass but the overall feeling was that we gain much functionality for a small (dev- time) price. On 10 feb, 13:10, ep eplisc...@googlemail.com wrote: GWT is not designed to be a UI Framework, rather its a base for everything else. And this is good so. We're using ExtGWT as a UI Framework, we kicked SmartGWT because of their JS wraps (not a native GWT implementation) On 10 Feb., 11:11, jaga j.annes...@gmail.com wrote: One problem with GWT is it's lack of styling. The default style is un- styled and doesn't work for our application. SmartGWT on the other- hand provides an attractive uniform styling. The blocker for me is that now you are using another 3rd party library: you have to learn its ways, integrate with your existing framework, and deal with its bugs and idiosyncrasies. On Feb 10, 7:30 am, Nagin Kothari naginkoth...@gmail.com wrote: Sanjiv, I know I am reopening this thread, not to criticise Smart GWT, but want to give some feedback. First of all let me acknowledge that it is very good library with lot of cool and fantastic features. I experimented with it and liked it and planning to use it in one of my project.But I have some doubts and questions , which you I thought you will be best person to answer . Hence this mail. 1. I am using GWT and want to use some Smart GWT widgets in that application.But it looks like I have to include lot of Smart client JS file which size is about 2MB. Client need to download all these JS libs above our GWT compiled script. this become very huge download for client, Even I want to use Smart GWT's grid , I realized that I have to include almost everything except few small smart-client JS.So my question is why is so and what is work around for it? 2.Second, smart-client scripts are not in compressed format (like GWT is). it is like GWT pretty format. If it is compressed then size of all script files will be reduced. 3. My third question is - Why smart GWT is not written in GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimised java script compiler.Smart GWT widget the can be extended by user to customize it. Right now Smart GWT widgets are just black box for developer. Theses are few question I had in mind., Over all features provided by smart GWT are great. Thank and regards, Nagin Kothari On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests (http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl... http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl...And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive
Re: To smart GWT or not
How do you feel about being forced into using their entire widgetry instead of GWT's components? That is the main hurdle I'm having right now with smart gwt, the recommendation that you use their 'pixel perfect layout' and not use standards mode... To me that is crap, but it looks like I'm going to be forced into it. I used GXT in a previous job and to say working with it was a nightmare doesn't even begin to describe what it was like using their components. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
I had the same feelings as you, but now I am really liking smartgwt. I decided to incorporate the UIBinder with the smartgwt objects ( http://code.google.com/p/uibinding-smartgwt/) which helped to keep our code organized. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Larsen larse...@gmail.com wrote: How do you feel about being forced into using their entire widgetry instead of GWT's components? That is the main hurdle I'm having right now with smart gwt, the recommendation that you use their 'pixel perfect layout' and not use standards mode... To me that is crap, but it looks like I'm going to be forced into it. I used GXT in a previous job and to say working with it was a nightmare doesn't even begin to describe what it was like using their components. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
Hi Nagin, Thanks for the feedback. These are questions that come up quite frequently and I've answered them earlier but perhaps they should be added to the FAQ. 1) Regarding the size of SmartGWT, one should realize that loading a SmartGWT application is very comparable to loading GMail in terms of size when you read your email. During actual deployments, all applications need to be configured optimally and this means that at the very least configuring the web server to serve JS files in GZip format as well as configuring the appropriate Expires headers. These are best practices not specific to Smart GWT and you can read more about them here : http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/help/#guidelines Gmail is used by a lot of users and its load time is certainly acceptable. So back to the comparison with Gmail, here's a screenshot of YSlow load stats when loading Gmail : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2996284/screenshots/gmail-stats.png As you can see, the total size of GMail that serves Gzipped resources is 994K. Here's a screenshot of the YSlow load stats of a Smart GWT showcase which is properly configured with the appropriate Expires headers and GZipped resources : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2996284/screenshots/sgwt-showcase-stats.png As you can see, it has a total size of 918K when loaded with an empty cache. The size would have been over 2MB had the server not been configured to serve GZipped JS files, and so would the size of the GMail app but the point is you must always configure the server correctly to serve the JS files in compressed GZip format for actual deployments. Secondly, during production deployments you should also configure the SmartClient JS files to have Expires headers set to a future date like a year from today. This is what the Smart GWT Showcase demo does : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2996284/screenshots/sgwt-showcase-expires-header.png and when this is configured, then the actual SmartClient JS files will only be loaded the first time the user accesses the application. When they access the application subsequently, 0 bytes of the SmartClient JS files will be loaded since it is picked up from the browser cache. See https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2996284/screenshots/smartgwt-resources.png So when developers talk about the size / load time of Smart GWT, one must realize these are development environment concerns only that will be non-issues when actually deploying the production application. This is similar to running the app in GWT dev / hosted mode versus web / compiled mode where GWT hosted mode will always be slower than running the compiled application. 2) The SmartClient JS files are compressed. Are you sure you're not inheriting SmartGwtDebug instead of the SmartGwt module? If you haven't sorted it out already then lets continue this discussion on the SmartGWT forums. 3) Regarding Smart GWT not being written in native GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimized java script compiler : You have to ask yourself what kind of application you're building? Sure, if you only want to use a single Smart GWT widget like a TreeGrid in your entire application and the application needs to load super-fast on a high traffic internet site where every KB downloaded matters, then using SmartGWT might not be the best choice. As noted above, if you do configure the server with to server gzipped files with a future Expires header, then the end user will only incur the overhead of loading the SmartClient JS files once. Again, if this is not acceptable for your app then SmartGWT might not be the best choice. For most intranet applications the load time of ~500K of gzipped files is a non-issue. The other thing many developers do when evaluating SmartGWT is they build out a HelloWorld app and are not pleased by the size of the compiled output due to the SmartClient JS files. What one needs to realize is that this is a fixed / constant that will not increase in size even when their application grows to have tens to hundreds of screens. A good example of this is the SmartGWT Showcase that has around 300 screens and the SmartClient JS file size remains the same. 4) Regarding extensibility of SmartGWT widgets : SmartGWT widgets are customizable and many users have done exactly this. Without knowing exactly what you're trying to customize its hard to comment but as you've probably noticed and as seen in the Showcase, SmartGWT widgets are extremely powerful with deep configuration options not available in most RIA toolkits. If you still find a feature missing, you have the option of adding it yourself, filing an issue in SmartGWT issue tracker, or contacting Isomorphic support to build it out for you. The option you chose depends on whether you're a hobbyist, how quickly you need the feature, or whether you work for a company that feels your time is better served working on their application / business logic rather than get into UI toolkit level enhancements. In the end there is no one-size-fits-all. You'll
Re: To smart GWT or not
One problem with GWT is it's lack of styling. The default style is un- styled and doesn't work for our application. SmartGWT on the other- hand provides an attractive uniform styling. The blocker for me is that now you are using another 3rd party library: you have to learn its ways, integrate with your existing framework, and deal with its bugs and idiosyncrasies. On Feb 10, 7:30 am, Nagin Kothari naginkoth...@gmail.com wrote: Sanjiv, I know I am reopening this thread, not to criticise Smart GWT, but want to give some feedback. First of all let me acknowledge that it is very good library with lot of cool and fantastic features. I experimented with it and liked it and planning to use it in one of my project.But I have some doubts and questions , which you I thought you will be best person to answer . Hence this mail. 1. I am using GWT and want to use some Smart GWT widgets in that application.But it looks like I have to include lot of Smart client JS file which size is about 2MB. Client need to download all these JS libs above our GWT compiled script. this become very huge download for client, Even I want to use Smart GWT's grid , I realized that I have to include almost everything except few small smart-client JS.So my question is why is so and what is work around for it? 2.Second, smart-client scripts are not in compressed format (like GWT is). it is like GWT pretty format. If it is compressed then size of all script files will be reduced. 3. My third question is - Why smart GWT is not written in GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimised java script compiler.Smart GWT widget the can be extended by user to customize it. Right now Smart GWT widgets are just black box for developer. Theses are few question I had in mind., Over all features provided by smart GWT are great. Thank and regards, Nagin Kothari On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests (http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl... http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl...And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive Filtering greatly reduces the costliest types of database hits: http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#grid_adaptive_filter_fe... .. and allows you to introduce an extremely powerful data highlighting system with no server load at all: http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=234 If your application is the kind we target - complex enterprise applications which are used repeatedly and for significant lengths of time - this provides a gigantic performance boost, and once-ever download of cachable JavaScript files is a negligible factor. Look at a deployed SmartGWT application and you've got users humming along, ripping through the interface and nothing being downloaded anymore because it's all cached. And everyone is getting fast responses from the database because the Smart GWT framework is minimizing database load. The larger
Re: To smart GWT or not
GWT is not designed to be a UI Framework, rather its a base for everything else. And this is good so. We're using ExtGWT as a UI Framework, we kicked SmartGWT because of their JS wraps (not a native GWT implementation) On 10 Feb., 11:11, jaga j.annes...@gmail.com wrote: One problem with GWT is it's lack of styling. The default style is un- styled and doesn't work for our application. SmartGWT on the other- hand provides an attractive uniform styling. The blocker for me is that now you are using another 3rd party library: you have to learn its ways, integrate with your existing framework, and deal with its bugs and idiosyncrasies. On Feb 10, 7:30 am, Nagin Kothari naginkoth...@gmail.com wrote: Sanjiv, I know I am reopening this thread, not to criticise Smart GWT, but want to give some feedback. First of all let me acknowledge that it is very good library with lot of cool and fantastic features. I experimented with it and liked it and planning to use it in one of my project.But I have some doubts and questions , which you I thought you will be best person to answer . Hence this mail. 1. I am using GWT and want to use some Smart GWT widgets in that application.But it looks like I have to include lot of Smart client JS file which size is about 2MB. Client need to download all these JS libs above our GWT compiled script. this become very huge download for client, Even I want to use Smart GWT's grid , I realized that I have to include almost everything except few small smart-client JS.So my question is why is so and what is work around for it? 2.Second, smart-client scripts are not in compressed format (like GWT is). it is like GWT pretty format. If it is compressed then size of all script files will be reduced. 3. My third question is - Why smart GWT is not written in GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimised java script compiler.Smart GWT widget the can be extended by user to customize it. Right now Smart GWT widgets are just black box for developer. Theses are few question I had in mind., Over all features provided by smart GWT are great. Thank and regards, Nagin Kothari On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests (http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl... http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl...And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive Filtering greatly reduces the costliest types of database hits: http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#grid_adaptive_filter_fe... .. and allows you to introduce an extremely powerful data highlighting system with no server load at all: http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=234 If your application is the kind we target - complex enterprise applications which are used repeatedly and for significant lengths of time - this provides a gigantic performance boost, and once-ever download of
Re: To smart GWT or not
We install an application in production environment using 2.x GWT GWT- EXT 2.0.5. I tried to migrate to the Smart Gwt but we would have much trouble with the widgets you customized. A new application would have to be developed. We believe that GWT-EXT was easier to use. A basic problem we faced was with the grid that looks different in IE and Firefox. On 10 fev, 10:10, ep eplisc...@googlemail.com wrote: GWT is not designed to be a UI Framework, rather its a base for everything else. And this is good so. We're using ExtGWT as a UI Framework, we kicked SmartGWT because of their JS wraps (not a native GWT implementation) On 10 Feb., 11:11, jaga j.annes...@gmail.com wrote: One problem with GWT is it's lack of styling. The default style is un- styled and doesn't work for our application. SmartGWT on the other- hand provides an attractive uniform styling. The blocker for me is that now you are using another 3rd party library: you have to learn its ways, integrate with your existing framework, and deal with its bugs and idiosyncrasies. On Feb 10, 7:30 am, Nagin Kothari naginkoth...@gmail.com wrote: Sanjiv, I know I am reopening this thread, not to criticise Smart GWT, but want to give some feedback. First of all let me acknowledge that it is very good library with lot of cool and fantastic features. I experimented with it and liked it and planning to use it in one of my project.But I have some doubts and questions , which you I thought you will be best person to answer . Hence this mail. 1. I am using GWT and want to use some Smart GWT widgets in that application.But it looks like I have to include lot of Smart client JS file which size is about 2MB. Client need to download all these JS libs above our GWT compiled script. this become very huge download for client, Even I want to use Smart GWT's grid , I realized that I have to include almost everything except few small smart-client JS.So my question is why is so and what is work around for it? 2.Second, smart-client scripts are not in compressed format (like GWT is). it is like GWT pretty format. If it is compressed then size of all script files will be reduced. 3. My third question is - Why smart GWT is not written in GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimised java script compiler.Smart GWT widget the can be extended by user to customize it. Right now Smart GWT widgets are just black box for developer. Theses are few question I had in mind., Over all features provided by smart GWT are great. Thank and regards, Nagin Kothari On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests (http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl... http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl...And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example,
Re: To smart GWT or not
Sanjiv, I know I am reopening this thread, not to criticise Smart GWT, but want to give some feedback. First of all let me acknowledge that it is very good library with lot of cool and fantastic features. I experimented with it and liked it and planning to use it in one of my project.But I have some doubts and questions , which you I thought you will be best person to answer . Hence this mail. 1. I am using GWT and want to use some Smart GWT widgets in that application.But it looks like I have to include lot of Smart client JS file which size is about 2MB. Client need to download all these JS libs above our GWT compiled script. this become very huge download for client, Even I want to use Smart GWT's grid , I realized that I have to include almost everything except few small smart-client JS.So my question is why is so and what is work around for it? 2.Second, smart-client scripts are not in compressed format (like GWT is). it is like GWT pretty format. If it is compressed then size of all script files will be reduced. 3. My third question is - Why smart GWT is not written in GWT so that it can take advantage of GWT's optimised java script compiler.Smart GWT widget the can be extended by user to customize it. Right now Smart GWT widgets are just black box for developer. Theses are few question I had in mind., Over all features provided by smart GWT are great. Thank and regards, Nagin Kothari On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list ). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jaroslav.zaruba http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jaroslav.zarubaAnd when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325 ), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive Filtering greatly reduces the costliest types of database hits: http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#grid_adaptive_filter_fe... .. and allows you to introduce an extremely powerful data highlighting system with no server load at all: http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=234 If your application is the kind we target - complex enterprise applications which are used repeatedly and for significant lengths of time - this provides a gigantic performance boost, and once-ever download of cachable JavaScript files is a negligible factor. Look at a deployed SmartGWT application and you've got users humming along, ripping through the interface and nothing being downloaded anymore because it's all cached. And everyone is getting fast responses from the database because the Smart GWT framework is minimizing database load. The larger your application becomes, the more these benefits accrue. And, by the time you've built an application with comparable functionality with core GWT or another GWT-based framework, you're going to be downloading the same size runtime as SmartGWT anyway. On Dec 1, 1:44 pm, aarnott andrew.wj.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I've found Smart GWT to have rather poor performance and it comes at the added cost of massive javascript libraries (even when they are
Re: To smart GWT or not
My experience with SmartGWT was bad and while I'm not saying SmartGWT is complete rubbish, obviously, I think it is right thing to do to share your experience when asked. I said couple of times my experience is 1 year old. Also there are many people who share this view of SmartGWT. I had to do some compromises with SmartGWT, some of them having origin in SmartGWT being a new platform for me (i.e. lack of knowledge), but there were some clearly caused by SmartGWT being buggy. You accused me of giving baseless opinions. That is just low. One issue that stuck in my mind was the last one: a new and valid record not appearing in a TreeGrid, in ListGrid everything worked as charm. Later, in one night build, it has been fixed. That was too late for me though. My apologize to all readers, this is my first and last response to Sanjiv here. On Dec 3, 4:54 pm, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. The fact that you don't like critics does not make it baseless. (Same as when you FIX a bug after a report it probably wasn't INVALID.) 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid This is what you call an invalid bug: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=338 In a nutshell: One particular column type (Integer) at one particular position (the first column) causes an error. Because you're not supposed to have numbers in the first column...? Something is wrong when you get asked why do you need number in the first column? Another one, this one you fixed later but marked it as invalid anyways: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=343 http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl...And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed (http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Your 'WontFix' for a _month_ old report came literally _minutes_ after you accused me of abusing issue tracker in another forum. It is obvious that my response was related to your personal approach, rather than your so-called advice. (I had my own workaround by the time I made the report.) Abusing issue tracker in this case actually meant reporting an issue without discussing it in the forums, which was not suggested in the new issue report description. And therefore it happened to many people before me, which you admitted. (But that did not stop you from claiming I'm the only one doing that.) Later you fixed that, added the note in the description, and now you're counting it in those 3 invalid reports. I said 'thank you' nevertheless. I had only positive experience with other SmartGWT staff members, Isomorphic namely. Sanjiv Based on my own experience, SmartGWT is rather risky choice even though it might look nice at first. SmartGWT: 2.5* While GWT might be slower sometimes (when you need some super-special widgets) I believe in the end you will be better off that way. Even more it applies now with GWT 2.1. GWT: 4.5* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Hi, Just small overview I have used Gwt, Gwt ext and Smart Gwt...all are pretty ok for the power used to be developed, they are produced by very small number of programmers and we all know that, so we are not talking for JAVA core libs or C# core libs or something like that.. and they have bugs also:) In other case they are very good, you dont have to re-envent the things..just use it in most casses, in some cases when u need somthing special or its present some bug, u can extend and provide the fiture by your self..so thats why they are free :) 2010/12/4 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com My experience with SmartGWT was bad and while I'm not saying SmartGWT is complete rubbish, obviously, I think it is right thing to do to share your experience when asked. I said couple of times my experience is 1 year old. Also there are many people who share this view of SmartGWT. I had to do some compromises with SmartGWT, some of them having origin in SmartGWT being a new platform for me (i.e. lack of knowledge), but there were some clearly caused by SmartGWT being buggy. You accused me of giving baseless opinions. That is just low. One issue that stuck in my mind was the last one: a new and valid record not appearing in a TreeGrid, in ListGrid everything worked as charm. Later, in one night build, it has been fixed. That was too late for me though. My apologize to all readers, this is my first and last response to Sanjiv here. On Dec 3, 4:54 pm, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. The fact that you don't like critics does not make it baseless. (Same as when you FIX a bug after a report it probably wasn't INVALID.) 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid This is what you call an invalid bug: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=338 In a nutshell: One particular column type (Integer) at one particular position (the first column) causes an error. Because you're not supposed to have numbers in the first column...? Something is wrong when you get asked why do you need number in the first column? Another one, this one you fixed later but marked it as invalid anyways: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=343 http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl.. .And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Your 'WontFix' for a _month_ old report came literally _minutes_ after you accused me of abusing issue tracker in another forum. It is obvious that my response was related to your personal approach, rather than your so-called advice. (I had my own workaround by the time I made the report.) Abusing issue tracker in this case actually meant reporting an issue without discussing it in the forums, which was not suggested in the new issue report description. And therefore it happened to many people before me, which you admitted. (But that did not stop you from claiming I'm the only one doing that.) Later you fixed that, added the note in the description, and now you're counting it in those 3 invalid reports. I said 'thank you' nevertheless. I had only positive experience with other SmartGWT staff members, Isomorphic namely. Sanjiv Based on my own experience, SmartGWT is rather risky choice even though it might look nice at first. SmartGWT: 2.5* While GWT might be slower sometimes (when you need some super-special widgets) I believe in the end you will be better off that way. Even more it applies now with GWT 2.1. GWT: 4.5* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I've always been a minimalist, especially in regards to software development so when choosing a development stack I have to be pretty sure that it will provide everything I need and that no single level in the stack is going to cause problems for the others. I looked at some of these libraries, read feedback on them, but in the end I decided to go the pure GWT route knowing that if I should find a feature lacking then I can either implement it myself (after all, it all comes down to HTML and Javascript) or I can wait for the GWT team to implement it. Jeff On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Blagoja Chavkoski baze...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Just small overview I have used Gwt, Gwt ext and Smart Gwt...all are pretty ok for the power used to be developed, they are produced by very small number of programmers and we all know that, so we are not talking for JAVA core libs or C# core libs or something like that.. and they have bugs also:) In other case they are very good, you dont have to re-envent the things..just use it in most casses, in some cases when u need somthing special or its present some bug, u can extend and provide the fiture by your self..so thats why they are free :) 2010/12/4 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com My experience with SmartGWT was bad and while I'm not saying SmartGWT is complete rubbish, obviously, I think it is right thing to do to share your experience when asked. I said couple of times my experience is 1 year old. Also there are many people who share this view of SmartGWT. I had to do some compromises with SmartGWT, some of them having origin in SmartGWT being a new platform for me (i.e. lack of knowledge), but there were some clearly caused by SmartGWT being buggy. You accused me of giving baseless opinions. That is just low. One issue that stuck in my mind was the last one: a new and valid record not appearing in a TreeGrid, in ListGrid everything worked as charm. Later, in one night build, it has been fixed. That was too late for me though. My apologize to all readers, this is my first and last response to Sanjiv here. On Dec 3, 4:54 pm, Sanjiv Jivan sanjiv.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. The fact that you don't like critics does not make it baseless. (Same as when you FIX a bug after a report it probably wasn't INVALID.) 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid This is what you call an invalid bug: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=338 In a nutshell: One particular column type (Integer) at one particular position (the first column) causes an error. Because you're not supposed to have numbers in the first column...? Something is wrong when you get asked why do you need number in the first column? Another one, this one you fixed later but marked it as invalid anyways: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=343 http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jarosl.. .And when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Your 'WontFix' for a _month_ old report came literally _minutes_ after you accused me of abusing issue tracker in another forum. It is obvious that my response was related to your personal approach, rather than your so-called advice. (I had my own workaround by the time I made the report.) Abusing issue tracker in this case actually meant reporting an issue without discussing it in the forums, which was not suggested in the new issue report description. And therefore it happened to many people before me, which you admitted. (But that did not stop you from claiming I'm the only one doing that.) Later you fixed that, added the note in the description, and now you're counting it in those 3 invalid reports. I said 'thank you' nevertheless. I had only positive experience with other SmartGWT staff members, Isomorphic namely. Sanjiv Based on my own experience, SmartGWT is rather risky choice even though it might look nice at first. SmartGWT: 2.5* While GWT might be slower sometimes (when you need some super-special widgets) I believe in the end you will be better off that way. Even more it applies now with GWT 2.1. GWT: 4.5* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
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+1 for pure GWT 2.1 I have rather unpleasant experience with SmartGWT, but that was 1yr ago and maybe things have changed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Jaroslav, If you're happy with GWT that’s great but please do not make such vague and baseless claims about Smart GWT. Legitimate bugs reported are fixed really quickly and existing users can attest to this. Smart GWT currently has around 42 open defects with a majority of them being low priority, and 16 enhancement requests ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list ). Considering the depth and breadth of features provided by the framework this is a pretty low number of defects. 3 of the 7 issues that you filed were invalid, and 2 defects that were fixed and the remaining 2 were marked WontFix since they were trivial pieces of functionality that the user could easily implement. http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jaroslav.zaruba http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/list?can=1q=reporter:jaroslav.zarubaAnd when you were advised how to implement a warning dialog before record deletion on this issue that you filed ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/issues/detail?id=325 ), you responded by you are sad. Nice way to show your appreciation when using a free product. Sanjiv 2010/12/3 Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com ...until you run into some SmartGWT magic - like widgets not working without otherwise completely useless 'final' (have fun trying figure that out), newly spanned records not appearing in tree, styles not getting applied until mouseover, etc. What looks like polished set of awesome widgets might turn into nightmare which makes you throwing your deadlines out of the window. (Like I said before, this particular experience with SmartGWT is one year old.) With GWT the start might be slower but you can predict the deadlines + you're not working with 'black box'. On 3 pro, 00:00, ckendrick charles.kendr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive Filtering greatly reduces the costliest types of database hits: http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#grid_adaptive_filter_fe... .. and allows you to introduce an extremely powerful data highlighting system with no server load at all: http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=234 If your application is the kind we target - complex enterprise applications which are used repeatedly and for significant lengths of time - this provides a gigantic performance boost, and once-ever download of cachable JavaScript files is a negligible factor. Look at a deployed SmartGWT application and you've got users humming along, ripping through the interface and nothing being downloaded anymore because it's all cached. And everyone is getting fast responses from the database because the Smart GWT framework is minimizing database load. The larger your application becomes, the more these benefits accrue. And, by the time you've built an application with comparable functionality with core GWT or another GWT-based framework, you're going to be downloading the same size runtime as SmartGWT anyway. On Dec 1, 1:44 pm, aarnott andrew.wj.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I've found Smart GWT to have rather poor performance and it comes at the added cost of massive javascript libraries (even when they are gzipped). If you are anything like me, you will probably find that you lose time in the long run by going with Smart GWT because you will want to get rid of it later to boost performance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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No one willing to step up and starting something ? Then people stop complaining about Sencha or any other company that creates GWT widgets and ask money for it. It s their right. 2010/12/1 aarnott andrew.wj.arn...@gmail.com I've found Smart GWT to have rather poor performance and it comes at the added cost of massive javascript libraries (even when they are gzipped). If you are anything like me, you will probably find that you lose time in the long run by going with Smart GWT because you will want to get rid of it later to boost performance. Another issue is that it does not play nicely with existing GWT widgets. There were many sizing related hacks that I needed to put in my code just to get Smart GWT to work within some GWT-based Widgets I made earlier. If you are starting from scratch, it probably won't be a problem. On the other hand, it does offer a lot of functionality and the developers have been very responsive for fixing minor bugs I discovered. YMMV, of course. On Dec 1, 3:59 pm, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.com wrote: I think the EXT-GWT versions are pretty backward compatible(atleast those we use) With version 3 they probably will break a lot but let s wait and see. Dont get me wrong i m not trying to put GXT on top of Smart GWT. But for the type of products that we develop (targeting AIR runtime) Smart GWT does not fit well because smart gwt can not run inside AIR. At least in the application sandbox. It was more easy for me to make GXT work inside AIR then Smart GWT. Now that i do have more time i ll take a closer look at Smart GWT inside AIR. Since our customers dont want to pay a Designer to custom the gwt widgets we hav to go the GXT-way. Maybe some can start a project on creating some good themes for GWT ? i m willing to contribuate :) Regards, Alain 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com this is true. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ivan Chappel chappel.i...@gmail.com wrote: You do realize that with every release Ext-GWT essentially creates a new product breaking all previous API's. If they're trying to get closer to GWT, then why not use GWT itself. Why pay for a product when you can use GWT for free. By the time they plan on a release, there will be little or no value it adds over core GWT. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
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I would use pure GWT, and heavy use of UiBinder, plus taking advantage of the latest 2.1 additions for mvp. Do you have problems with layout? What is your issue? Have a look to the DynaTableRf sample source code, it's a good example how to use nested layout panels for doing layouts. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Sorry that's quite absurd: SmartGWT is often introduced to solve performance problems, and it solves them. SmartGWT is intentionally designed to have a one-time-ever download of a feature rich runtime in exchange for reducing subsequent server requests. For example, Adaptive Filtering greatly reduces the costliest types of database hits: http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/#grid_adaptive_filter_featured_category .. and allows you to introduce an extremely powerful data highlighting system with no server load at all: http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=234 If your application is the kind we target - complex enterprise applications which are used repeatedly and for significant lengths of time - this provides a gigantic performance boost, and once-ever download of cachable JavaScript files is a negligible factor. Look at a deployed SmartGWT application and you've got users humming along, ripping through the interface and nothing being downloaded anymore because it's all cached. And everyone is getting fast responses from the database because the Smart GWT framework is minimizing database load. The larger your application becomes, the more these benefits accrue. And, by the time you've built an application with comparable functionality with core GWT or another GWT-based framework, you're going to be downloading the same size runtime as SmartGWT anyway. On Dec 1, 1:44 pm, aarnott andrew.wj.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I've found Smart GWT to have rather poor performance and it comes at the added cost of massive javascript libraries (even when they are gzipped). If you are anything like me, you will probably find that you lose time in the long run by going with Smart GWT because you will want to get rid of it later to boost performance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
which would be nice, just a matter of when. They seem to be a little slow with the GWT releases. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.comwrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
You do realize that with every release Ext-GWT essentially creates a new product breaking all previous API's. If they're trying to get closer to GWT, then why not use GWT itself. Why pay for a product when you can use GWT for free. By the time they plan on a release, there will be little or no value it adds over core GWT. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.comwrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
this is true. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ivan Chappel chappel.i...@gmail.comwrote: You do realize that with every release Ext-GWT essentially creates a new product breaking all previous API's. If they're trying to get closer to GWT, then why not use GWT itself. Why pay for a product when you can use GWT for free. By the time they plan on a release, there will be little or no value it adds over core GWT. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.comwrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
I think the EXT-GWT versions are pretty backward compatible(atleast those we use) With version 3 they probably will break a lot but let s wait and see. Dont get me wrong i m not trying to put GXT on top of Smart GWT. But for the type of products that we develop (targeting AIR runtime) Smart GWT does not fit well because smart gwt can not run inside AIR. At least in the application sandbox. It was more easy for me to make GXT work inside AIR then Smart GWT. Now that i do have more time i ll take a closer look at Smart GWT inside AIR. Since our customers dont want to pay a Designer to custom the gwt widgets we hav to go the GXT-way. Maybe some can start a project on creating some good themes for GWT ? i m willing to contribuate :) Regards, Alain 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com this is true. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ivan Chappel chappel.i...@gmail.comwrote: You do realize that with every release Ext-GWT essentially creates a new product breaking all previous API's. If they're trying to get closer to GWT, then why not use GWT itself. Why pay for a product when you can use GWT for free. By the time they plan on a release, there will be little or no value it adds over core GWT. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: To smart GWT or not
I've found Smart GWT to have rather poor performance and it comes at the added cost of massive javascript libraries (even when they are gzipped). If you are anything like me, you will probably find that you lose time in the long run by going with Smart GWT because you will want to get rid of it later to boost performance. Another issue is that it does not play nicely with existing GWT widgets. There were many sizing related hacks that I needed to put in my code just to get Smart GWT to work within some GWT-based Widgets I made earlier. If you are starting from scratch, it probably won't be a problem. On the other hand, it does offer a lot of functionality and the developers have been very responsive for fixing minor bugs I discovered. YMMV, of course. On Dec 1, 3:59 pm, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.com wrote: I think the EXT-GWT versions are pretty backward compatible(atleast those we use) With version 3 they probably will break a lot but let s wait and see. Dont get me wrong i m not trying to put GXT on top of Smart GWT. But for the type of products that we develop (targeting AIR runtime) Smart GWT does not fit well because smart gwt can not run inside AIR. At least in the application sandbox. It was more easy for me to make GXT work inside AIR then Smart GWT. Now that i do have more time i ll take a closer look at Smart GWT inside AIR. Since our customers dont want to pay a Designer to custom the gwt widgets we hav to go the GXT-way. Maybe some can start a project on creating some good themes for GWT ? i m willing to contribuate :) Regards, Alain 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com this is true. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ivan Chappel chappel.i...@gmail.comwrote: You do realize that with every release Ext-GWT essentially creates a new product breaking all previous API's. If they're trying to get closer to GWT, then why not use GWT itself. Why pay for a product when you can use GWT for free. By the time they plan on a release, there will be little or no value it adds over core GWT. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, nino ekambi jazzmatad...@googlemail.com wrote: It looks like sencha is planing to go the GWT way in the version 3 of their library http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 2010/12/1 Travis Camechis camec...@gmail.com To me the worst part about the third party frameworks is that the widgets can get slow and clunky or they don't follow the GWT ways making it hard to implement MVP. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Baloe nielsba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder, is there anyone using Smart GWT? Or, any other (Sencha) product? We are struggling with the poor widgets included with GWT and it looks like my boss is not going to accept to spend more time on how to get these GWT widgets into place. And we need more advanced widgets as well. Thanks! NielsBaloe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
