Re: Desperately need your immediate help!
In your message dated: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:23:40 EDT, your pithy ruminations on Re: Desperately need your immediate help! were: = = --- Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Kelly, = My '93 GTS has 17,000 miles on it. With the = exception of the first service = at 677 miles I've used Mobil 1 exclusively. = = I estimate it uses ~ 1/3 of a quart every 3000 = miles. I can get a better = estimate but I'd have to track usage for awhile. = = Richard = = = That sounds a little high Richard, are you sure it's = broken in? I've heard it can take up to 10,000 for = Yamaha rings/bores to really seat in. Depending upon my riding style, my consumption is much higher than that--up to ~750cc/1000miles if I'm really having high rpm fun (~7k rpm or more consistently). If I'm taking it easy, it's probably ~250cc/1000miles. I ran dino oil for the first 10,000 miles, and mainly synthetic since. Oil filter change about every 3k miles. I'm at 47k now. Mark = FL Kev = = __ = Do You Yahoo!? = Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! = http://photos.yahoo.com/ = -- Mark BergmanBiker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman
Re: Desperately need your immediate help!
In your message dated: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:40:05 EDT, your pithy ruminations on Re: Desperately need your immediate help! were: = Kelly, = = FYI - I have heard that if you run Synthetic oil and then change back to = standard type oil it can/will cause damage to the engine. Not sure if anyone Only in the southern hemisphere. Most oil manufacturers have issued technical bulletins (I know you can find them on Mobil's web site somewhere) stating that in that scenario, you've got to use a left-threaded magnetic coupling to attach the oil filter. This will capture the remaining synthetic (polarized) oil molecules, and prevent them from binding with the replacement dino oil. After that, treat it like a new bike--change the oil at 600 miles (1000km) and you're fine--you've flushed the remaining synthetic from the system. Without that, you stand the very real risk of clogging the small oil galleys in the engine (on the GTS, only the scavenger galleys are susceptible, not the inlet--this is due to the counter-clockwise flow within the engine from the oil pump up to the head, other bikes will differ, and BMW twins are vulnerable in both directions). = else has heard of this, but that's what I have been told several times. = If that fact can be verified, it might be a possible answer to some of your = questions if...It is possible the Mechanic could have installed standard Installing "standard" type oil is a different problem. Every bike (except for HD) specifies oil capacity in liters, you should never install standard (qt oz) oil in those metric bikes. Mark = type oil, even if he had instructions to do otherwise. I might be a good = idea to have a look at the repair ticket, they usually have to mark it = differently for synthetic oils. = = Just a thought ~ = = = = Charlie D = 94GTS1K-A = = = - Original Message - = From: Kelly Cash = To: Multiple recipients of list = Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:16 PM = Subject: Desperately need your immediate help! = = = Hi all- = = I have an issue with my dealer and possibly Yamaha. My bike's = burning loads of oil due to a bad service job. The dealer and = Yamaha say that the problem is due to my using synthetic oil. = (never mind the fact that I used the oil for 20,000 miles with = no burning issue BEFORE the service) = = For those who are running synthetic oil, please let me know: = o What type of oil is used = o How long have you been using it in the GTS = o What amount of oil is burned in 1000 miles = = I need to know this pretty quickly, so please reply directly to me, = as soon as you can. = = Thanks very much, I'll let you know the results of my dealings = with the dealer and Yamaha. = = -K = = == = Kelly Cash Direct: 408-845-5762 = Sr. Systems Engineer Main: 408-845-5700 = Solid Data Systems FAX: 408-727-5496 = 2945 Oakmead Village Court [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Santa Clara, CA 95051 www.soliddata.com = == = = = = -- Mark BergmanBiker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman
RE: AMSoil
Motul is the oil of france. it is almost impossible to find anything else here. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Crisler, Jon Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: AMSoil This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F26.CE7AA702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have never used Motul, but it is very popular with many bikers. I always wondered, is it a Japanese company ? The thing about oils that most people do not know is that there are many brands, but relatively few oil refiners/blenders: -Amsoil does not actually make its own oils, they are made to its specification under contract by another big company whose name escapes me. Only a few companies can do synthetic. That company gots its start in synthetic by working with the founder of Amsoil, using aviation synth oils as a starting point. -Belray does not make oil, and just remarkets another companies oil. (Lubrimatic I think) -Same for Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc. -Spectro operates like Amsoil, contract manufacturer to its spec. -Mobil 1 is made by Mobil, as are their other types - house brands are normally made by only a few refiners/blenders. Normally the though process is "Make me a 5w-30 that meets SH standards, and will cost 49 cents a quart wholesale." House brand synthetics are usually made by contract manufactures, and although better than dino juice, are not nearly as good as Mobil 1 or Amsoil. - Exxon makes it own oil, so does Texaco, dont know about Chevron. - Castrol makes it own - Quakerstate and Pennzoil make their own, but one of them is merging with somebody else, I forget teh details. However, the synthetics are NOT made by them in most cases, rather under contract. I am told they are ramping up production though. The only synthetic I trust is Amsoil and Mobil 1. I have not used Motul, many swear by it. I have used Castrol Syntec 5w-50 in the past, and had very bad experience with it eating seals in an Acura and a Dodge Caravan (at the same time no less !). -Original Message- From: paramithas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: AMSoil I've used Motul over the years, a great-great product. AMSoil also a great product, we are splitting hairs here folks. Slick George - Original Message - From: uranus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:49 AM Subject: RE: AMSoil At 09:23 03/10/00 -0400, you wrote: Also, AMSOIL has lots of other stuff that Mobil hasn't even thought of yet. About a year ago the AMSOIL rep here said that they had everyone covered except Motul - he said that Motul's "synthetic castor oil" technology was the only thing AMS couldn't then do but wished they could. If Motul 300v is not available locally, you won't go far wrong with AMS. David Thurgate http://www.uranus.co.uk/M_cycles.htm === Kawasaki ZX750-A1 in Tony Foale HCS frame Current status: Dismantled! Yamaha GTS1000a in Yamaha HCS frame Current status: Taxed and tested! NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F26.CE7AA702 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: AMSoil/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2I have never used Motul, but it is very popular with = many bikers.nbsp; I always wondered, is it a Japanese company ?/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2The thing about oils that most people do not know is = that there are many brands, but relatively few oil = refiners/blenders:/FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Amsoil does not actually make its own oils, they are = made to its specification under contract by another big company whose = name escapes me.nbsp; Only a few companies can do synthetic.nbsp; = That company gots its start in synthetic by working with the founder of = Amsoil, using aviation synth oils as a starting point./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Belray does not make oil, and just remarkets another = companies oil. (Lubrimatic I think)nbsp; /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2-Same for Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc./FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2-Spectro operates like Amsoil, contract manufacturer = to its spec./FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2-Mobil 1 is made by Mobil, as
Amsoil Filters
I've tried all those filters mentioned in a fit-check. They all fit, but as you get longer they run closer to the exhaust pipe, FWIW. Close examination of them and the Yamaha (Denso) reveals the Yamaha seems to be of higher quality--not that the Amsoils aren't good enough, I just see/feel more grip threads and a closer tolerance to the thread diameter giving a better fit upon installation. Also, three cheers to my Amsoil guy for scrounging up these filters for me to fool with... FL Kev __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: help: my GTS wants to shake me off!
Take the rack back off check to see if the problem still exists. If so check the condition of your tires...front and back. Cupped and/or wornout tires tend to produce tank slapping at deceleration. Now if your problem occurs at acceleration as well I would blame the rack or bad installation. Go get you some Krausers or a Bushtec trailer and forget about this rack. George the vibration buster _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Amsoil Off list Please
Please contact me off list with pricing and availability of Amsoil Oil and Synthetic Transmission Fluids Shawn Pearsall
Re: Amsoil Filters
In your message dated: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 06:30:09 EDT, your pithy ruminations on Amsoil Filters were: = I've tried all those filters mentioned in a fit-check. = They all fit, but as you get longer they run closer = to the exhaust pipe, FWIW. Close examination of them = and the Yamaha (Denso) reveals the Yamaha seems to be = of higher quality--not that the Amsoils aren't good = enough, I just see/feel more grip threads and a closer = tolerance to the thread diameter giving a better fit = upon installation. Also, three cheers to my Amsoil = guy for scrounging up these filters for me to fool = with... Don't be fooled into buying a filter based on it's cover. Even if it fits, different filters have bypass valves and anti-drainback valves of different characteristics from OEM. If the fancy aftermarket filter you buy has a stiffer spring on the bypass valve, then if the filter gets clogged, or the oil is very cold and you stress the engine (high RPMs), the engine will be starved for oil. If the bypass valve sticks, the filter will burst. If the anti-drainback valve doesn't retain most/some of the oil from draining out of the filter and galleys, the engine will be starved for oil immediately upon starting. A filter _can_ ruin an engine. Long dissection of many different filters: http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/ Very good page about the search for a good Moto Guzzi filter http://www.mgnoc.com/oil_filters.htm Sure AMSoil may be the greatest thing in the world (after Amway, of course :), but if the filter's internal characteristics aren't right of the intended vehicle, it's not a good choice. Remember, size isn't everything...it's how it works inside that counts. Mark = FL Kev = = __ = Do You Yahoo!? = Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! = http://photos.yahoo.com/ = -- Mark BergmanBiker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman
RE: Desperately need your immediate help!
= FYI - I have heard that if you run Synthetic oil and then change back to = standard type oil it can/will cause damage to the engine. Not sure if anyone Only in the southern hemisphere. Most oil manufacturers have issued technical bulletins (I know you can find them on Mobil's web site somewhere) stating that in that scenario, you've got to use a left-threaded magnetic coupling to attach Are you BeeEssing (BS) us or do you really believe this?
RE: Amsoil Filters
Remember, size isn't everything...it's how it works inside that counts. Thanks what all the women say anyway! #2 not taking the week-end off!
Re: Desperately need your immediate help!
In your message dated: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:46:56 EDT, your pithy ruminations on RE: Desperately need your immediate help! were: = = FYI - I have heard that if you run Synthetic oil and then = change back to = = standard type oil it can/will cause damage to the engine. Not = sure if anyone = = Only in the southern hemisphere. Most oil manufacturers have = issued technical = bulletins (I know you can find them on Mobil's web site = somewhere) stating that = in that scenario, you've got to use a left-threaded magnetic = coupling to attach = = Are you BeeEssing (BS) us or do you really believe this? It was a joke, OK? Mark = = -- Mark BergmanBiker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman
S Hemisphere oil info..fluff
I'm sure this is true in the S Hemisphere. In Oz we have an oil called "LIOSMA", but it is rarely used, as not many people have heard of it. More usual is KANGA oil, which is organic rather than synthetic, and eases the jumping/surging tendency of GTS's that have not been one-o'-clocked. Regards, Rob Chapman - Original Message - From: "Henry S. Winokur" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Multiple recipients of list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:46 AM Subject: RE: Desperately need your immediate help! = FYI - I have heard that if you run Synthetic oil and then change back to = standard type oil it can/will cause damage to the engine. Not sure if anyone Only in the southern hemisphere. Most oil manufacturers have issued technical bulletins (I know you can find them on Mobil's web site somewhere) stating that in that scenario, you've got to use a left-threaded magnetic coupling to attach Are you BeeEssing (BS) us or do you really believe this?
