Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv
At 07:25 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: Costume related viewing, Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? The title seemed dubious, but I thought I would check it out anyway. (It just started on the National Geographic channel for those interested) So far it appears to be a standard documentary, with just a sensational title. In the short bit I have seen, costumes superficially seem okay. And the history is correct so far (although we are still on Catherine). Its not my focus period and I haven't seen much yet. I'll have to keep watching to see how the program turns out. Kaitlin OPINION ALERT! Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century view of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine). I found it to be rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and while strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated outright that Henry went mad as he got older! Anyway, it was an interesting counterpoint to Starkey's account and worth watching once. Cheers, Danielle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN
Hello all- I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if you're too tired to take it inside after the event. One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last night. Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and recover them. Sincerely, Marguerite du Royon AKA Rachael Keish (and Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Stolen item descriptions: - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An emerald dangled also below the dolphin. - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 kinds of buttons. - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse embroidered on it at each corner. - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate with red marquis shaped stones. (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress"
A twice turned dress would mean that the skirt was first taken off and flipped upsidedown, so the former hem is at the waist, then taken apart again and flipped inside out, or maybe the panels are sideways to what they were. Poverty sucks! But, often you could tell the stature of a woman, because she worn fabrics that could not be 'turned', the fabrics with large prints along the bottom, that fade to smaller ones at the waist, for instance, would be difficult to turn nicely. Kelly - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
I had some serious issues with a lot of H Bohnam Carter's clothing in the episode I watched last night...What were those things on her head??? That and the shape of the dresses. The stays in this period would have been close to what she had on, but would have come in to her actual waist, while not chinching it. Her breasts totally disappeared in the bodices, they would have shown a bit, it looked like the bodices were biult for another actress who was much larger. The shape of the skirts also bothered me a bit...too linear, without any bell at all in some of them. But that's my opinion...take it for what it's worth Kelly - Original Message - From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
Ahhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise
"Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett is the book, and should be in your local library. ;-> If you have any questions, I'm sure a lot of us can help you out. Kelly - Original Message - From: "Becky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise How might I get that pattern? Is it in a book I might find at the library? It seems I need to find the library that has all these costuming books. I plan a day to go over to Lancaster, PA to visit one of the libraries recommended for me. I'll ask my local library if they can borrow the ones we can find in the area. I appreciate the help. I know what I want to make just not sure how to MAKE it work. - Original Message - From: "kelly grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! All I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. Kelly - Original Message - From: "Becky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. - Original Message - From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, but there are various methods that will work. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: Henry VIII
This quote from Helena Bonham Carter is from an interview with her on the PBS website: "I was pregnant during filming, making dressing up in the lavish costumes required for a Tudor queen no mean feat! It's not exactly suitable maternity wear! But the corsets gave some continuity while I got bigger each week. Luckily they are not too tight or I may have ended up with a baby with a flat head! Some of the costumes were re-cut up to four times during filming. The dresses were designed with longer bodices than typical Tudor dresses to distract from the waistline and the lacings were placed at the backsides for ease and comfort." Kate Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:48 -0700 From: Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress"
That is what the idea is here. Same concept of the stilts and panier underneath. Do you have a pattern for that? I have lots of online "Gown" patterns that I might be able to use but none of the exact one to use. Can you send me a copy of your costume stetch or what pattern you used? We WILL NOT BE USING YOUR DESIGN, just how to make ours. We had planned to use PVC pipe or bend bamboo for the skirt roundness/shape. Someone told us about how to make the skirt like a float with a base. This way we don't have to use the stilts. I'm not sure the base will work or not. If we can get it to work, the kids will ride onto stage and jump out when it stops. It'ss be on casters with the dancer standing in a secure frame so he can be taller than normal without the stilts. Whoever is chosen to be Mother Ginger won't have to know how to walk in stilts. we hope to ask a local celebraty to "become" Mother Ginger. We also thought that some of the decorations on the skirt look like those little cookies that are on a gingerbread house. The kids will come out from under the skirt and pull one of the cookies off the dress. It becomes their hat. The hat is on with velcro. That was my idea. It also gives them something more to do than just jump out and dance. It adds a bit of humor ot the scene. My daugher thought it would be funny for the wig to fall off. Maybe the character can remove it in curtain call. That would be funny for people to see that it is the celebraty. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:28:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie Antoinette puffy one. ** We did "Nutcracker" every year at school [NCSA]. I remember our Mother Ginger was played by the tallest man in the dance department. The huge pannier was at 1st made of plywood and weighed like 800 pounds. Later it was fashioned out of PVC pipethe plastic piping plumbers used. What a relief for the dancer! He also wore plasterer stiltsor something like them, that made him over a foot taller. We made long frilly pantaloons to cover theseand you did catch a glimpse of them when the children [8 or them] promenade out from under her skirts and, after their minuet, run back under. The contraption looked like an open robe with a contrasting petticoat but in reality the skirts were all attached to the pannier and the bodice was separate. The dancer would pull a cord at the point of the bodice and the [faked] petticoat part would draw up like an Austrian curtain to let the children out and back in. The gown was all cinnamon and coffee-with-cream colored taffeta with lots of swags and huge satin flowers and bows in pastel colors at the top of the panniersdecorated with white lace. She looked like a big fancy iced cake. She had a towering 1770s do with a huge delicate mob cap with lace and bows and things perched on top. A great costume. The dancer would swing those big "hips" back and forth while the children danced their minuet. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps?
Hello all This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to design my first corset with straps for a lovely customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in place. Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm - might stain the shiny fabric on top). Many many thanks, Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio
I will be traveling to Cleveland, Ohio next week - any suggestions for must visit fabric or bead stores, museums, etc? I've been invited to give a talk for "Quester's" group there by a friend; the title is "From Here to There and Back Again: A Guide to Travel in Antebellum America". As I don't have a "proper" travel gown, I plan to dress entirely inappropriately, i.e.. too colorful, too high style, large hoop, too much jewelry, too much hand baggage, etc Thanks for any suggestions on places to visit, Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv
Karolee Smiley wrote: Costume related viewing, Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? I thought it was okay. I would have liked to have heard more about Henry in his younger days and more about his later wives. The show was 90% about Anne, and they spent all of 15 seconds each on his last marriages. Still there were some interesting historical tidbits about his reign that I hadn't heard before. The costumes were just costumes. Somebody tried, but the women obviously weren't in corsets, and it looked like a lot of the layering for both sexes was faked. For a 1 hour tv drama I was ok with everything except Anne's hat. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear
Fynes Moryson notes that women in Italy (and in parts of Germany) wore "breeches" under their gowns...(I think this is online at project ) Gutenberg, if you want to read the account.) He notes these exceptions in this period (~1598~1604) of time as an anomaly. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi Ahhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? Suzi I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN
That is awfull That is such a beatiful costume. I'd send pictures to every pawn shop in 100 miles of the place where it was stolen. I sure hopw someone filed a police report on it. Then the pawn shops HAVE to report it as stolen. Otherwise there is no official "stolen property" report to make them give you your costume back. Contact the local paper and have them write an article on it. That way the news will get out to the local area. Call the tv station. Whatever will give you their time. I know it doesn't replace the costume, but it may fall under your car insurance policy... BUT it needs the police report. I found that out the hard way. I had a camera stolen from my purse. Good luck in retrieving the costume. - Original Message - From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "h-cost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN Hello all- I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if you're too tired to take it inside after the event. One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last night. Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and recover them. Sincerely, Marguerite du Royon AKA Rachael Keish (and Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Stolen item descriptions: - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An emerald dangled also below the dolphin. - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 kinds of buttons. - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse embroidered on it at each corner. - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate with red marquis shaped stones. (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps?
At 14:08 09/01/2006, you wrote: Hello all This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to design my first corset with straps for a lovely customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in place. Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm - might stain the shiny fabric on top). Many many thanks, Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. Katherine Contact MacCulloch and Wallis - they have, I think, special straps to add to underwear. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Otherwise, use a piece of elastic, made slightly shorter than the strap, stitched at both ends, and herringboned across the length. Sew it to the underside. That one works for me. Or use elastic to attach the straps at the front. That also works - might not be "authentic" but needs must sometimes. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] knit stockings
Hi Ann, Oh thanks for your reply. I am only at the beginning, and the first rows surely are difficult to make, but i made 2 rows now, and it gets much better. Ill start to make pearl pattern in stead of ribs, and then it will be easy with the rest. I use a DMC embroidery floss to knit the stockings with. Thanks Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Ann Catelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings --- Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread was two slippery, i lost the stitches all the time. Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a little easyer for me. I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches to each cm. This meens that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? Bjarne Ok, that translates to 12.5 sts/inch--I believe that is in the range for good stockings in the eighteenth century. You may also wish to try, if you are not allergic, a fine worsted-prep yarn for your stockings. Use a similar size thread of wool that you have been of cotton. Wool is much, much, much nicer to knit than cotton or silk. And 40 cm is only about 16 inches (to respond to another poster), so that is not ridiculous. If you knit [wool] stockings to the measurement of your leg, they will be all baggy & not sleek and smooth. I've heard between 75% and 90% of your leg measurement, but 100% at the ankles for ease to don the stocking. Good luck. Ann in CT __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not
Good evening all, Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus imaginary eras). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:25 AM, kelly grant wrote: Ahhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] paging Alex, aka "Garbaholic"
Please contact me off list. I don't think my email is getting through to you. Dawn (Apologies if you see this multiple times, I'm having problems with my mail server. ) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings
Hi Kelly, This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i ask where did you buy your knitted material. I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i could use. Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet danse tricot pans i use. laughs. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "KELLY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear
Huh, so where did the drawers originate, then? Italy? Moorish women wore pants under their dresses; was it adapted from them, maybe? And you're probably right about warmth being a matter of perspective (I grew up in South Texas, about a day's drive from the tropics), but I also know it was supposed to be colder back then. Tea Rose Message: 12 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:49:06 -0600 From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit
Apologies for going completely o-t, but I hope nobody (especially those involved) will mind me posting this here - am trying to spread the word as far as possible as quickly as possible. A garage used as a store by some members of Conquest has been raided, with some kit being stolen and the rest torched (burnt to ashes, for those not familiar with English slang). As I understand it, of the stuff in the garage, one tunic survived. Everything else is gone. This is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of kit which took decades to assemble. A full list of the stolen kit can be seen here http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1651 Please keep an eye out for any of the kit that will presumably at some point be for sale. Thanks Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:48:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? LOL ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re:knit stockings
Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not
Hi Elizabeth, I have considered i could post a picture with me in the copy of Gustav III's wedding suit i made in pale blue duchesse satin. But i never got a propper photo of it. I will propose to Leif and beg him to make me a picture next weekend. But another story is that pale blue is not my colour, but never mind Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Elizabeth Walpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not Good evening all, Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus imaginary eras). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: knitting stockings
And try knitting them on circular needles. It makes a world of difference. THat silk is impossible to knit on straight doupble pointed needles. THey make circular needles in american 000 and 0. Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. Right now my silk and wool stocking experiment is on hold because the circular 000 I have is too large for the diameter of the stocking right now. I need another needle, but several projects and the holidays have interferred. And someone does make silk knit and sell it on the web, its jersey I think. I will have to look for my bookmark. G Street in MD/VA might even have some yardage, but it's been years since I've been there Making a pair of silk 18c stockings is on my list. Mia in Charlottetowne, NC - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
In a message dated 1/9/2006 2:15:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog * Well, she may not have been [or didn't tell anyone she was] pregnant when the contracts were signed. She may be involved with more than just acting in the show [like producing it or putting up money somehow]. And, yes, no one may a cared anyway. Welcome to the entertainment industry! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
No, it doesn't explain the Indian sari silks(well, Henry as a monarch, especially once ultra wealthy Wolsey crashed and burned, could import anything he wanted, even things that didn't exist at the time). It is all production values anyway and even in big budget Hollywood films, sets and costumes are just a small fraction of the budget. The main thing has always been to put what looks good onscreen to the majority of the audience viewing the drama, not historical accuracy. At least today's costumers aren't further limited by the old Hays code, just trying to keep some reasonable accuracy or any at all with the pressures of budget, the present aesthetic and whatever the director's vision is. I just kept waiting and wondering what went on during that rainy jousting scene. Did they plan to endanger humans and horses jousting in the rain, was it planned that way, or was the shooting schedule so tight that even when the English weather wasn't cooperating, they had to shoot rain and mud or not? Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings
> Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. How do you knit two stockings at the same time? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
The site is called Cheeptrims (2 e's), www.cheeptrims.com. They sell a lot of drek, but there are some real gems in there as well. They're really cheap (2 gross of buttons for $3.00 for example). The last time I ordered from them (last April?) they sold to anyone and the minimum was $60. Sadly it looks like that's changed. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?Sue- Original Message - From: "Joan Jurancich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PMSubject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they > only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since > they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have > found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or > 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.> > And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It > was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.> > Joan> > At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had>>the problem you speak of.Kathleen- Original Message ->>From: "Joan Jurancich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:>> > >>Catching up here.>> > > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is>>fine.>> > > > >>Joan Jurancich>> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.>> > >>> > >Melusine>> >>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not>> > fill my order.>> >>> >>> > Joan Jurancich>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___h-costume mailing listh-costume@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII
nope, nore does it explain the silver lame Kelly - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi Ahhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? Suzi I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings
> How do you knit two stockings at the same time? One inside the other, with two sets of stitches (every other stitch from the other sock) on your needles and two yarn sources. With my luck I would mess up and knit them together at some point. :-) But I have heard of this as a "normal" way to knit socks. Something I did once was to have two socks going on two sets of needles. I would knit one row around to the center back, then do the same with the other stocking, and back and forth like that. I was playing with a diamond pattern and increases/decreases at the same time, so it was the only way to maintain a bit of sanity. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
I live in Winnipeg, Canada and they had no qualms about mailing out of the States. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?Sue- Original Message - From: "Joan Jurancich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PMSubject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they > only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since > they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have > found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or > 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.> > And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It > was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.> > Joan> > At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had>>the problem you speak of.Kathleen- Original Message ->>From: "Joan Jurancich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:>> > >>Catching up here.>> > > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is>>fine.>> > > > >>Joan Jurancich>> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.>> > >>> > >Melusine>> >>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not>> > fill my order.>> >>> >>> > Joan Jurancich>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___h-costume mailing listh-costume@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings
Kelly said, > An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under > Civil War items. > (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a > great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by > far the most common for our time period) Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I can tell, stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a short time. If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am very curious! From what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for the 19thC. The 1790s saw some very complex knit patterns in use that could be made "sideways" from the way stockings were normally frame knit. Also around that time was the use of the thread carrier, which made it faster (and cheaper) to knit yardgoods rather than the pieces knit to shape. "Cut ups" were a very cheap stocking, and their economic impact was the cause of Luddism of 1812, and the smashing of stocking frames by people who were put out of work. As machinery developed further, stockings were still knit to shape and also the circular knitter was used (examples are seen from the 1840s, with darts to shape them). The cut & sewn stockings of the 18thC (Bjarne's era) were actually made from woven cloth. Making stockings from silk knit fabric (for 18thC) is a good fake, however the seam allowances need to be treated carefully. The 1790-1810 cut-ups did not last long and were considered to be poor quality goods because of this. I did find a decent silk knit in New York a few years back, unfortunately not in white. I managed to use color remover on a few of the pastels to some limited success, and it could of course be dyed darker colors. Having examined quite a few 18th frame knit stockings, I am picky about the fabric. Most modern knits are made to be very stretchy, and the 18thC stockings are not. There are silk jersey knits out there, but I only found the one that was not very stretchy. Bjarne said, > There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg I could > use. That's from a frame knit silk stocking, and the pattern was done while on the frame as the stocking was knitted. It can be faked with a duplicate stitch. That technique fell out of use around 1750, which is why I asked what era you were aiming for. It all comes down to whether the stockings are supposed to be specific to an era or appropriate to a particular event or oufit, and exactly how particular and detailed anyone wants to be about it. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question
I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. My question iswhat is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are you supposed to tell? I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share your knowledge! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv
> OPINION ALERT! > Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x > worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in > particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century > view > of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the > 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil > Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine). I found it to be > rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and > while > strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think > they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came > across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated > outright that Henry went mad as he got older! They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. Leah *Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings
There are apparently several very inventive methods, but the one I've heard of most often involves creating a loop of some sort in the cable for the circular needle--there are actually books available on the technique, here in the U.S. Not something I've tried (I'm plenty happy knitting mine one at a time with DPNs), but I've heard of them. You could probably find something online pretty easily. I just googled for "magic loop" and "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hope that gives you some idea of what the technique is --Sue in Montana - Original Message - From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. > > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question
If is shows up on eBay contact their customer serivce. To sell items on eBay you can have customer protection and use their policies against the perpuratrator. They will end any auction if it is suspected as stolen property. They will also notify the police. Each account that sells on eBay MUST have a bank account. Someone had to list one to place an auction on eBay. I'm sure they will try to help recover the costume IF it shows up on line. I'd write and ask their customer serivce department. - Original Message - From: "Diana Habra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. My question iswhat is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are you supposed to tell? I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share your knowledge! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings
> I just googled for "magic loop" and > "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: > http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html > http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hm. Thanks. It doesn't look practical. I was hoping it would be something I would want to use, to avoid my tendency of getting bored after I've understood how to do something (i.e. I'd love to knit one stocking, but would never finish the second because I've already done it and would prefer moving to something else - knitting both at the same time would have solved the problem). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery
Penny Ladnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alex, The link I gave, http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html , shows the process of how we clean the images. We have a link on the front page of Library. What time frame are you in? Ah, excellant then. I do 16th century primarily, sometimes 14th century. I've toyed with the idea of doing other eras, but I really feel if I can't wear it somewhere, it's not practical for me to make. And I have so much on my plate right now, that finding another group to play with is right out. There are times when I'm very tempted, but I try not to stray too much. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I usually do English. And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It gets COLD there. Thanks for your forbearance, Tea Rose My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv
They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. Leah *Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by syphilis? What's the name of your book - I'd like to keep an eye out for it. I do love the genre of diagnosing past medical mysteries. -- Elinor Salter ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sewing Classes in Canberra, Australia
Hi, starting in February, Aylwen Garden be teaching some daytime sewing classes for women through the Brain Gym in Woden, Canberra. Cost per 8 week class is $150, with materials extra (ie, light linen). Benefit of this - you are taken through everything, and you work together in a social environment. Please let Aylwen know asap if you're interested. Numbers are limited. Venue: 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla Times: 9:30am - 12pm. Weds: Historical Sewing Projects - Renaissance Ladies Underwear - smock, partlet & cap and an introduction to blackwork embroidery. Materials cost extra. Friday: Historical Sewing Projects - Regency Ladies Underwear - bodiced petticoat, pantalets and chemisette. Materials cost extra. Regards, Aylwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
