Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit
One of the problems with the papertape and ducttape forms is that they are not really corrected after being made. Standing up for 2 hours or so, getting glued up with automatically make you slouch, so what you get is a dressform with a bad posture ;-) The teacher is using some special strong paper and glue to get the form, then the form is cut up and corrected to your normal bodyshape, a thin layer of padding is put on, and a fabric cover is made. What you get is an exact copy of yourself, minus the slouching. Oh, those 3000 danish kr is a long weekend course Friday noon to Monday night with overnight stay and food. Tania WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you have a little information, about what materials will be used and what the process is. I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... Sg Tania Gruning wrote: Hi Bjarne. My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. Tania ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles
I know vol 4 was never published. If it is going to be published only Oslo University would know. I recently got some unpublished text from Perth (I still had to pay - and I cannot publish it) on medieval textiles excavated in the 80's. The text for Osbergfundet 4 may also be available in this form. Write to them and ask. On 05/02/06, Judy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline wrote: As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any hand in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo to see if there is any manscript survives. ah but volumes 1-3 5 were published as you said, but volume 4 was never published! there's been that rumour that it's coming out for quite a while - not a clue on reality though. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Caroline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image
Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Kimiko Small wrote: http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
Wouldn't that be too flimsy? Seems to me that the weight of any garment would crush the extension. I have read somewhere (Godey's) that piano wire was one of the reliable wires for making these cages. I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. One I use for contemporary use ad shed most of this covering in it's long history. I recovered it with white florist tape. This allows it to move freely in its traces and retards the rusting of the steel. Another one has had the vertical tapes replaced with drapery header. I found one that was the width of the original and had the neat tracers that accommodated the wire exactly. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the watch spring that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
Farthingale's has crin steel a Thread Covered Hoop Steel, I've never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php Text from their website: Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to find one to suit your purpose. One style is thread covered, it can be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner work. The second type of steel is plastic coated and this comes in varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut. Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4 and 1/2 inch bones, this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 Katy On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the watch spring that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image
It looks to me like an add-on, too--an applied exaggerated collar (fur?), most likely, considering how well it fits the neck edge of the gown. (Those points would have been the envy of Carnaby Street back in the 'Sixties!) It doesn't look like a turn-back of the gown's natural edge. I initially thought of a separate mini-surplice-like thing, but how it would maintain its shape and also line up along the neck edge I don't know. I know nothing of this illustrator--did he reliably work from original illustrations such as paintings and illuminations, or was he one of the nineteenth-century fact-plus-imagination types? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Lloyd Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 5, 2006 8:16 AM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Kimiko Small wrote: http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. Needle Thread in Gettysburg, PA (USA) carries this hooping. At least they did some years back when I got it. They have patterns, fabric and supplies for historic reenactors. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear
angela wrote: Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, If what you're looking for is US military uniforms, do an image search at www.altavista.com on bonus march, which was in 1932, and 1930's + strikes and you will get plenty of images of army uniforms. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear
I should have paid more attention to the title, but the search on 1930's strikes should also get you pictures of steel and auto workers. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: posture and cut, was williamsburg suit
I have been watching this topic with interest. Just my uneducated opinion, but I think there are a number of factors at play here. We are healthier and better fed than our ancestors so yes, our bodies are 'modern' and in many cases lager scaled, but life style has a great deal to do with it as well. For the most part we are trying to reproduce fashions of the middle and upper classes, whose lifestyle was considerably different than the working man. If burly shoulders were an indication of a man that had to labor to eke out a living, then I can see where the fashion would be towards making the silhouette as narrow as possible to indicate that a person did not have to labor for his living. These days a more muscular appearance seems to be favored through all social strata. Young men from prosperous families in previous eras engaged in 'leisure activities' that required an upright back straight, shoulders up and square posture such as horseback riding, fencing, shooting, etc. And young women similarly - I defy anyone to slouch and play the piano well for example. By comparison, many modern day people drive to work, sit at computers, and for entertainment watch television. Those striving for fitness often work out a gym or health spa which gives a different body structure again than someone whole engages in physical labor for a living. And, as has been mentioned already, posture was an indicator of social status. Also, modern medical science and chiropractic support a more natural posture, advocating allowing for the natural curvature of the spine. To me this looks like slouching btw, but it does open the shoulders wider. Just for an experiement and out of curiosity - I had my shoulder width measured while sitting up square and straight and then when slouching - there was a 5 difference in the width of my shoulder measurement! There are still a wide variety of body types out there. For example, I have a friend who would probably need very little alteration or scaling up for that matter to be fitted well. Lastly, if the stereotype for physical appearance/stature being related to country or geographical area of origin has any basis in fact, would not the clothing made for an 18th cent. Frenchman, (who were supposedly shorter and smaller in stature), be a bit tight for an 18th cent. contemporary from a different geographical origin? JMHO Annette M Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:13:25 + From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the modern torso. Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? Jean Kelly Grant wrote It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from our historical counterparts. Good luck on the new draft! Kelly in Nova Scotia Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears Caius Merlyn Britannicus From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 Hi, Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of myself. I cant stop thinking about all our words for
[h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35
In my translation anyway it says... Clause 35. Let there be one measure.., and one width of cloth whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. Dyed I understand. Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. And does anyone know what halberjet is? These are the only definitions I got when I googled. Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the length of the right arm of king Henry 1. Annette M - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear
Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html photos from 1935-1945 in color and black and white, searchable to some degree. Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
Hi, Not that it is my period, and i dont want to interfer your disgussion, but i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Farthingale's has crin steel a Thread Covered Hoop Steel, I've never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php Text from their website: Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to find one to suit your purpose. One style is thread covered, it can be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner work. The second type of steel is plastic coated and this comes in varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut. Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4 and 1/2 inch bones, this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 Katy On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the watch spring that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35
At 17:08 05/02/2006, you wrote: In my translation anyway it says... Clause 35. Let there be one measure.., and one width of cloth whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. Dyed I understand. Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. And does anyone know what halberjet is? These are the only definitions I got when I googled. Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. And for livery in Tudor times Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Sorry, this one passes me by. Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the length of the right arm of king Henry 1. An ell is (AFAIK) a yard and a quarter, that is 45. (I think there is something in Shakespeare about it, possibly in Comedy of Errors, but memory fades with my hair)! (2 ells = 90 - that's a very wide width of cloth?) Annette M Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
At 19:03 05/02/2006, you wrote: i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. -Carol The crinoline steel I use is like the stuff they sell at Farthingales, and is specifically made for hoops. The cotton covered sort, (we have three widths and I use the medium width) will take heavy petticoats and skirts and is flexible without collapsing, and does not de-form even when you pack it tightly in a suitcase (for using in lectures.) Maybe I've missed the point here, but if the covered steel is what was used, on some crinolines, originally, is there any reason to look for anything else? I have photos, as I am sure so do other people, of cotton covered crinolines in museums, which is why I use that. If you use bare steel, you cannot get the original 19th century connectors, unless you have them made specially, so it would be a problem to copy exactly anyway. Suzi (rather puzzled) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: hoop steel...
At 7:57 AM -0700 2/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never managed to find the watch spring that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, Hi We got some stuff that acted like the old caged hoop I have in an airplane/RC hobbiest shop. It was a short (3') length--but was spring steel. My DH needed to make a new spring for and old box camera. The stuff came in a variety of gauges. I bet you could get it in longer lengths from the mill. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
I haven't been following this thread, but this sounds very similar to what is known as fish tape used by electricians to fish (pull) a wire through a conduit (tubing). These are rolls of spring wire (flat with rounded edges) that come in a case with reel in 5'0', 100' 200' lengths. Lightweight 50' rolls available quite inexpensively from tool places like Harbor Freight. The heavier professional ones are more expensive. They occasionally break under the load than an electrician puts on them.. you might find a friendly electrician who'll give you one that has (how I got mine). Beth Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:00:19 -0800 From: Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the watch spring that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Archaeological citation
Greetings-- I'm working on a group research project with several other folks, and we're trying to track down a more in-depth citation for some information. It's from the following book: Weinstein, Rosemary. Tudor London. London: Museum of London, 1994 ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 The book says this find came from a swampy area in London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. The find consisted of: a leather ankle boot child's choe knitted woollen cap silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve to me) coarse woollen sleeve child's sock c. 1530-90 The book doesn't cite any publication info for the find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and
Thanks for all the help - Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Deb, I didn't see your reply before it was included in a message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job so I just need to check it will take the width of steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff used on this crinoline http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a friend who owns one first. Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures as close as they need to be to be sure. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo when it's done! Yours gratefully, Katherine A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] h-cost digest 107
Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a message for me. Ta very much! Katherine A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-cost digest 107
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, katherine sanders wrote: Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a message for me. Try checking recent messages at these sites: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and
At 21:23 05/02/2006, you wrote: Thanks for all the help - Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Katherine Talk to the people at the address I gave you - you will find they do different widths of crinoline steel, and strong twill tape. (E-mail me for my phone number and I can talk you through it if you want - I make hoops of all shapes and sizes all the time.) Deb, I didn't see your reply before it was included in a message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job so I just need to check it will take the width of steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff used on this crinoline http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a friend who owns one first. Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures as close as they need to be to be sure. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo when it's done! Yours gratefully, Katherine A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Archaeological citation
At 21:21 05/02/2006, you wrote: Greetings-- I'm working on a group research project with several other folks, and we're trying to track down a more in-depth citation for some information. It's from the following book: Weinstein, Rosemary. Tudor London. London: Museum of London, 1994 ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 The book says this find came from a swampy area in London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. The find consisted of: a leather ankle boot child's choe knitted woollen cap silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve to me) coarse woollen sleeve child's sock c. 1530-90 The book doesn't cite any publication info for the find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? I suggest you contact the Museum itself Department of Early London History and Collections Museum of London 150 London Wall London. EC2Y 5HN Tel: 020 7814 5732 Fax: 020 7600 1058 www.museumoflondon.org.uk Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown
What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the same sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! Kelly Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears Caius Merlyn Britannicus From: Cabbage Rose Costumes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's actually the future, I believe). I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my inspiration. As always, thanks in advance. angela + Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech... W. Shakespeare ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query
--- Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farthingale's has crin steel a Thread Covered Hoop Steel, I've never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php -- Katy Bishop You will certainly get good service if/when you do order from her, even with the border crossing to cause problems. She is also fascinated by what creations her clients come up with. Ann in CT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat
I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. I went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of 100% wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is there a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work than simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and going from there? Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] pants
Pants... You mean bloomers like they might have worn bicycling or underwear type pants? Wanda -Orig Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? Thanks ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
