Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos
Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues,
much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its
symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or because
people actually wore it?)
There's always a difference between dyestuff, for fabric, and paint
pigment. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other.
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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[h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ Wonder how much it truly costs... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really!
There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of milk. In,
I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood (Rayon).
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Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays
I would not use those for binding corsets. I do bookbinding as a hobby and those skins are vegetable tanned and very stiff and non stretchy as that is the qualities useful in bookbinding. I believe washing skins are alumtanned or something like that. At least they are much softer and pliable that bookbinding skins Tania E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
Milk??? Hmmm, now I have heard of textiles made from the cellulose in soy, but milk? I can't remember right now which product, but either Silk soy milk, or Vitasoy has a little history of all the textile stuff that Henry Ford tried to use soy for. Some of my spinner friends don't particularly like spinning with soy silk, but then I suppose it is all what you get used to and what you have access to. Funny, when I tried to google on soy silk, I got this: Soy Silk and Ingeo Corn Fiber http://www.earthguild.com/products/spinning/spsoycor.htm Soy Silk is made of left-overs from the tofu manufacturing process. ... Blending 75% Soy Silk with 25% fine wool adds memory and bounce while maintaining ...www.earthguild.com/products/spinning/spsoycor.htm - 4k - But when I clicked on it, I couldn't find anything else about the Inego.I wonder how long it has been around? Bummer that it can melt when it gets ironed...I wonder how bad it isthanks for sharing! Sg Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of milk. In, I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood (Rayon). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos
Susan B. Farmer wrote: You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known when the statuary was done? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: Susan B. Farmer wrote: You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known when the statuary was done? It's by Provins -- e.g. not far from Paris or Chartres. The portals are 12th c. See http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htm for some discussion of the portals For the French-impaired, that's http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=fru=http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htmprev=/search%3Fq%3DLoup%2Bde%2BNaud%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dgooglet but as usual this is a little cockeyed! First time I've seen Moyen Age (Middle Ages) translated as the Average Age ;-) The page says that the portal is not precisely dateable, but probably is around 1160, when the church received a major relic. The female figure is probably the Queen of Sheba (biblical, royal, foreign). There's a Queen of Sheba image in some costume books -- I think it's in Payne, among others, or maybe it was Davenport? -- but I don't know if it's the same one. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement?
Dear All, Long time, no write. Sorry. I'm looking for information on how to make something I think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a hand stitched arrowhead style design. Does anyone have information on how to make these? Thanks a bunch, Cynthia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century
I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish sources? English? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays
I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one just in casefor the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if you have a walking foot...one with feed dogs to move the fabric on top as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're doing it by machine. If you plan to bind it by handnever mind... There is that small matter of the boning... I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2... then I went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an industrial machine that could sew through it! By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Subject heading was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 332
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Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays
Hi Carol. Thanks for your informations. I didnt know that some bones were anchored to the channels. Wiessner boning is hard plastic, but you actually can sew trough it with a strong sewing needle on the machine. But i plan to bind all the edges by hand, i also sewed all the sections together by hand. I cant do it on a machine, because i use bones in all the channels of the tabs, and it s very difficult to control the sewingmachine on top of the bones. Its a comission and i think i just want to bind the edges with ivory silk taffeta i have. I dont have the time to find kid, and i think i would have to praktise a lot with it before i use it on a pair of stays. But thanks all for helping me with the questions i had about kid skin. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one just in casefor the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if you have a walking foot...one with feed dogs to move the fabric on top as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're doing it by machine. If you plan to bind it by handnever mind... There is that small matter of the boning... I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2... then I went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an industrial machine that could sew through it! By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje
Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen before! By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the search engine. -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje
Ahh, Would someone please send the URL again? Clumsy Bjarne who delited it! Bjarne - Original Message - From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen before! By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the search engine. -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays
Bjarne, this place is local for me, but they mail order. They have a nice supply of kid leather in their bridal/specialty department. It's reasonable as well: Mill End Retail Fabric Store (503) 786-1234 9701 SE McLoughlin Blvd Portland, OR 97222 www.millendstore.comhttp://www.millendstore.com/ HTH-- LuAnn in Washington ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje
In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC *** Yes, that beautiful embroidered 1740 woman's jacket! And the very BLUE man's suit from the 1760s. And the woman's jerkin is really beautiful [ like cinbarnes said] What fun! Let's all go! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje
In a message dated 4/13/2006 2:00:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: museodeltraje.mcu.es * there ya go, Bjarne. BTWcheck out the wonderful stuff under Popular Costume [Indumentaria popular] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query
The new book, The Tudor Tailor has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men query O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! (Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. Suzi http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/ img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpegimgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaege r/img/maps/london-a.htmlh=768w=973sz=166tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:tbnh=116t bnw=148hl=enstart=14prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6lr%3D%26sa%3DG The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. (Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query
In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The new book, The Tudor Tailor has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with breechesby which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are The Fete at Bermondsey by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] The Embarkation at Dover in the Royal Collection [page 15] and The Field of the Cloth of Gold, also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the Contents pagebut get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
Corn - the new peanut. Sounds like they are trying to make corn into everything from clothes to gas. However, thin, not stretcy fabric sounds good and the dress in the picture looks floaty enough for anyone. Hope they don't use all the corn up - I like eating it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century
Hi Dawn, I think that a little later, portugal was ruled by a spanish king, so i would guess they not only are very close together regionally, but also fashionable. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish sources? English? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays
Hi Carol, Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for reenacting will it really be worned this much? Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather binding stays Glad I could help! I've seen the Wissner in a thicker weight (probably for hoops rather than boning) which I can't imagine sewing through. If the standard weight can be sewn, all the better! I would suggest a nice cotton or linen tape for binding rather than silk. Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and the edges of stays will get a lot of wear. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century
During the 1500s I do believe that Portugal and Spain did not get along with each other. Said to be like siblings trying to one up the other. Then in 1580, Philip of Spain invaded and conquered Portugal. It was not many years after this that you get the Jewish exodus from Spain and Portugal. I think sometime after Holland became free of the Spanish rule as many of the refugees went there. I was told by someone who has research the 1500s Spain and Portugal but not the 1400s said that the fashions were similar but there were differences. Probably not much help but maybe something. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Naming kids
I think the identity problem is with Yes, the problem we will always have here is different names used by manufacturers and across national borders. Here on the correct side of the Pacific, for instance, a bang, cotton, and a fringe have different meanings than are usual in North America. When I go to the dealers to buy kid (leather, not half-built people) I expect a thinner, soft leather with a little bit of stretch to it. A skin will be around 6 square feet in size and come from a young goat. One side is shiney in the traditional leather look, the reverse is more fibrous like suede. Colours can be standards like brown and black through to outrageous hot ones, all depending upon what has been done at the tannery. If you get lucky enough, you will find some that has been printed or stamped with a pattern. Chamois is another kind of kid skin to my thinking, sometimes used for binding of clothing, often for gloves and so forth, but most commonly used for cleaning gooey bits of kangaroo off the grill of the Ford Falcon. It was marketed as shammee for many years. Unfortunately, these are available in synthetics now. Fake chamois can be bought for cleaning purposes, it is somewhere between a loosely woven soft cloth and felt. Upholsterers have been using fake leathers for some time now including very soft vinyl they claim to be as close as kid as you can get -- of course, they can never show a kid skin with criss-cross fibres just under the surface! Yeah, I know, all this is boring for most but we are all gonna keep an eye on language differences or we will be like the five blind men trying to describe an elephant. By the way, kangaroo? Did I say kangaroo? If you like kid you will love kangaroo hide! -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Sari for sale
I am selling a cotton ikat sari, approximately 5.5 yards long. If interested please email me off list. -Katie -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
