RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?
So if you wanted to pleat silk, you would saturate with permanent wave solution, then rinse with plain water? Or would you let it air dry? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the "secret" reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely when I did hair ages ago we "air neutralized" the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted "relaxed a bit" or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.nothing to loose. Melody "Sharon at Collierfam.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -Original Message- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > > > > Dawn > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] wigs /Suzi Clark/update
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[h-cost] setting pleats in silk
How does one set pleats in silk? I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] setting pleats in silk
Quoting Alexandria Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: How does one set pleats in silk? I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? I think it was on the German Ren list, but they've actually been discussing this very topic -- backwards. The answer that I saw, (and I can dig out the posts if you're interested -- or you can hit yahoo yourself) is Permanent Solution. Yeah, like for your hair. They're both Protein (silk and hair), and you want to "reshape" the fibers into a particular pattern. I'd try a piece first and see what happens. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] setting pleats in silk
> > How does one set pleats in silk? > I think it was on the German Ren list, but they've actually been > discussing this very topic -- backwards. The answer that I saw, (and I > can dig out the posts if you're interested -- or you can hit yahoo > yourself) is Nope, it was this list as well;) So you'd have to look in recent h-cost posting, or your deleted items if you have been on the list for a week or so already for this heading: "RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?" >> I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that >> has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the >> skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the >> silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The >> linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with >> the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? Aside from all the advice given, I also know there is a way to set crinkles using the microwave and perm solution. I'll dig it out and see if it's been transfered to a new site... Darn, the site is down. But it may still be on the LOTR costume site. http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/makingem/Tips/CrushSilk.htm If you can work some way of keeping the pleats even it might be ideal for setting fabric for a dolls dress. I wouldn't recommend lining it in linen though, maybe self lined would be better Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 15/06/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] setting pleats in silk
Aside from all the advice given, I also know there is a way to set crinkles using the microwave and perm solution. I'll dig it out and see if it's been transfered to a new site... Darn, the site is down. But it may still be on the LOTR costume site. http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/makingem/Tips/CrushSilk.htm If you can work some way of keeping the pleats even it might be ideal for setting fabric for a dolls dress. I wouldn't recommend lining it in linen though, maybe self lined would be better Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com I was hoping I missed something besides the perm solution. I just can't see purchasing a full perm for one blouse worth of silk, and the method with the microwave, sounds like a lot of trouble (as well as toxic) for such a small piece. I'll have to see what steam setting does for it I guess. As to the lining, there isn't enough of the silk to self line, as well as I don't think it would give the body that I want. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?
yeah,if you dampen the fabric make sure you squeeze almost all the moisture out, copious amounts of water in the fabric won't help the solution to work.At "ye Olde beauty College" we just let it "convert" in the air, perm solution has a "shelf life "of only so many hrs, then the chemicals break down and stop processing . So I'd say let it go, then rinse if you wish... the "crinkles"won't come back, if washed. you don't need the super fancy perm solution, you can buy it by the gallon (we did) for a few bucks, or just get the cheapest one out there,I'd go to the beauty supply store. Cut a square ,try it outsee if you like the results before commiting to the whole shebang. "Sharon at Collierfam.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So if you wanted to pleat silk, you would saturate with permanent wave solution, then rinse with plain water? Or would you let it air dry? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the "secret" reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely when I did hair ages ago we "air neutralized" the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted "relaxed a bit" or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.nothing to loose. Melody "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -Original Message- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > Dawn > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
