Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
In a message dated 5/4/2007 2:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The REAL irritation is that film directors (etc.) blithely do whatever they think "feels right" with the costumes AND then have the audacity to claim that their renditions are "accurate", "thoroughly researched," Well said! I think most of us can appreciate "it's theatre," so long as everyone involved admits that is what it is. Ann Wass ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern
A nearer time period for this study of the constraints of fabric width/usage and its effect on clothing design is the Utility rules in place during WW2. There were strict rules for manufacturers of civilian wear in how much fabric could be used for specified garments. These restrictions are directly seen in the creative cut and line of fashion developed. I have been aware for some time that when you come across referances of a gown taking 10-18 yards of fabric in the 18th when the fab.width of the time was 22-28" that is you combine these measurements with the average width of todays yardage that it comes out roughly to about half the historical yardage. Have you ever tried to put 10panels of skirt yardage on a 25" waist? Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Sue Clemenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but), then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets that cost, what was it, 1500? 1600? euro/meter? --Sue - Original Message - From: "Abel, Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern What most of us couldn't afford to today is the amount of money people in the past had to spend on a single outfit. One noble person's single ensemble,during the reign of Elizabeth I, for court wear, could cost as much as a Porshe or more today. And would we want to have to work with lengths of expensive fabrics as narrow as 21" wide? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Sharon wrote: > "A Knight's Tale" is a great example. I don't know much about the period, > but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck > out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like > something from "Breakfast at Tiffany's". Actually, Sharon, none of the costumes were authentic in that film. I'm not sure what you are saying it's a great example of. Personally, I loved the costumes -- they had the FEEL of the historic period, while they were done in all sorts of weird fabrics, etc. I loved that whole "Breakfast at Tiffany's" outfit, and I know exactly which paintings inspired it! Another fun one is "Brother Sun, Sister Moon," the Franco Zeffirelli film about St. Francis. All sorts of bizarre fabrics used there, combining the period-like look of the garments with the textures and colors he wanted. If a story is supposed to be fantasy medieval, renaissance, Victorian, or just "old time" then I generally like it. As others have said, it's when directors or PR people tout the historical accuracy when costumes get on my nerves. Anyone remember the Kevin Costner film that can't be named? I mean, the one set in England in Sherwood Forest -- not other Kevin Costner films that can't be named. They went on and on about the historical accuracy in that one, and it stunk. The costumes need to help tell the story, and there are many legitimate ways to do that. What bugs me in a theater setting is when the costumes are amateurish (if it's a professional theater) or old and moth-eaten. One summer our opera company rented two sets of costumes that were just horrendous, and the main problem is that they looked about 30 years old and falling apart. One was for an opera about the French Revolution, and the company had all the main characters' costumes made while they rented the costumes for the aristocrats/chorus. The main costumes, for peasants, were much nicer than the aristocrats, who looked as if they had definitely fallen on hard times! But those things happen in theater... Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
I'm willing to bet that the great example Sharon is talking about is that "A Knight's Tale" doesn't pretend to be history. Several choices by the director (like the music) make it very clear that it's a "fun" music so the costumes weren't quite as annoying as they could have been. Orla From: Gail & Scott Finke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sharon wrote: > "A Knight's Tale" is a great example. I don't know much about the period, > but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck > out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like > something from "Breakfast at Tiffany's". Actually, Sharon, none of the costumes were authentic in that film. I'm not sure what you are saying it's a great example of. Personally, I loved the costumes -- they had the FEEL of the historic period, while they were done in all sorts of weird fabrics, etc. I loved that whole "Breakfast at Tiffany's" outfit, and I know exactly which paintings inspired it! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
I think what really bothers me is when some costumes are authentic or at least close and others are so far off as to be "fantasy". The mens' costumes in The Tudors look close, but the women's, with the loose hair, bare arms/shoulders, are further out. To me, they don't match stylistically and that jars. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic In a message dated 5/4/2007 2:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The REAL irritation is that film directors (etc.) blithely do whatever they think "feels right" with the costumes AND then have the audacity to claim that their renditions are "accurate", "thoroughly researched," Well said! I think most of us can appreciate "it's theatre," so long as everyone involved admits that is what it is. Ann Wass ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
- Original Message - Actually, Sharon, none of the costumes were authentic in that film. I'm not sure what you are saying it's a great example of. Personally, I loved the costumes -- they had the FEEL of the historic period, while they were done in all sorts of weird fabrics, etc. I loved that whole "Breakfast at Tiffany's" outfit, and I know exactly which paintings inspired it! Many of the peasant/tournament audience member extras who were on screen for a brief flash were definitely accuracy-minded reenactors. Not from the right period, from what I remember, but at least accurate for _a_ period. Having never seen "Breakfast at Tiffany's," which outfit was that? and which painting? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
That's it exactly. I've concluded that since they're making up the "history" they might as well make up the costumes too. I've also stopped trying to watch it, and picked up a fresh DVD copy of Keith Michell's Six Wives of Henry VIII from the 70s. What a joy to watch. That show was on a limited budget, and yet everything looks (from camera distance) perfect! I feel much better now. MaggiRos ~who loves A Knight's Tale a whole lot --- Sharon Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think what really bothers me is when some costumes > are authentic or at > least close and others are so far off as to be > "fantasy". The mens' costumes > in The Tudors look close, but the women's, with the > loose hair, bare > arms/shoulders, are further out. To me, they don't > match stylistically and > that jars. > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
This was my problem with the latest Marie Antionette. The women's hair in general was way off. The film people seem to make decisions of Costume that must bow to present aesthitcs...that, and the need to use modern music in case the viewers might have missed a contemporary mood/thought about MA being a Modern woman. Kathleen From: "Sharon Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic I think what really bothers me is when some costumes are authentic or at least close and others are so far off as to be "fantasy". The mens' costumes in The Tudors look close, but the women's, with the loose hair, bare arms/shoulders, are further out. To me, they don't match stylistically and that jars. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic In a message dated 5/4/2007 2:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The REAL irritation is that film directors (etc.) blithely do whatever they think "feels right" with the costumes AND then have the audacity to claim that their renditions are "accurate", "thoroughly researched," Well said! I think most of us can appreciate "it's theatre," so long as everyone involved admits that is what it is. Ann Wass ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tippet color
Dear Robin. Robin Netherton wrote: > Hi, Melissa. There are plenty of images of backs of tippets, including some in my article. Let me know if this helps. Yes, it helped immensely. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. I have always thought of tippets as being all white - streamer and cuff - but wanted to get some clarification and another opinion. Best, Melissa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
In a message dated 5/4/2007 5:45:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The film people seem to make decisions of Costume that must bow to present aesthitcs... According to Ed Maeder, in his "Hollywood and History," that accompanied an exhibit of the same name from LACMA some years ago, makeup and hairstyles in films very often reflect the contemporary aesthetic, even if the costumes do not so much. Ann Wass ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
At 05:13 PM 5/4/2007, you wrote: MaggiRos ~who loves A Knight's Tale a whole lot >. (grin) So do I. In fact, I just watched it today. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
Having been otherwise a" about these costumes when the Robbin Hood series began, I do remember the Aghast!!! about the costumes. For me, this has been a low budget series with an expanded mythology re 'the HOOD' that at least is on a plane with the old Dr. Who, and has used stereotypical designs to give flesh to the characters. The only jarring moment was a character in a sort of trilby that was Plainly modern (well, 1960s),with another coat roughly 1970s interp of a Medieval surcoat. then, most of the garments are also of the '70s...interpreting the 12/14 Centuries. As long as there is some consistancy, I don't have a problem...Precisley why I also like the "Knight's Tale." kathleen -- Original Message - From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic At 05:13 PM 5/4/2007, you wrote: MaggiRos ~who loves A Knight's Tale a whole lot >. (grin) So do I. In fact, I just watched it today. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Hi, I've been following this thread with rapt fascination. I've learned a lot too. I teach costume history, an introductory course. We've decided to expand our use of films to get the point across about some aspects of costume, including the issue of period accuracy. I need to come up with a list of titles to recommend that our library acquire for our students to access. I will, if I can figure out how, go to the archives and pull a list of movies that have been discussed here, but would welcome any title suggestions that you might care to make, be they good or particularly bad, in the costume aspect. Thanks. Laurie T. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming Sharon wrote: > "A Knight's Tale" is a great example. I don't know much about the period, > but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck > out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like > something from "Breakfast at Tiffany's". Actually, Sharon, none of the costumes were authentic in that film. I'm not sure what you are saying it's a great example of. Personally, I loved the costumes -- they had the FEEL of the historic period, while they were done in all sorts of weird fabrics, etc. I loved that whole "Breakfast at Tiffany's" outfit, and I know exactly which paintings inspired it! Another fun one is "Brother Sun, Sister Moon," the Franco Zeffirelli film about St. Francis. All sorts of bizarre fabrics used there, combining the period-like look of the garments with the textures and colors he wanted. If a story is supposed to be fantasy medieval, renaissance, Victorian, or just "old time" then I generally like it. As others have said, it's when directors or PR people tout the historical accuracy when costumes get on my nerves. Anyone remember the Kevin Costner film that can't be named? I mean, the one set in England in Sherwood Forest -- not other Kevin Costner films that can't be named. They went on and on about the historical accuracy in that one, and it stunk. The costumes need to help tell the story, and there are many legitimate ways to do that. What bugs me in a theater setting is when the costumes are amateurish (if it's a professional theater) or old and moth-eaten. One summer our opera company rented two sets of costumes that were just horrendous, and the main problem is that they looked about 30 years old and falling apart. One was for an opera about the French Revolution, and the company had all the main characters' costumes made while they rented the costumes for the aristocrats/chorus. The main costumes, for peasants, were much nicer than the aristocrats, who looked as if they had definitely fallen on hard times! But those things happen in theater... Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
...the Kevin Costner film that can't be named? ... They went on and on about the historical accuracy in that one, and it stunk. Y'all must read/hear/see stuff in places I don't, or something... Where, exactly, do people go "on and on" about the historical accuracy of costumes or content in cinematic movies? Did you miss the woman (working as a producer for the show) claiming on the Tudor Tailor list that the costume designers had worked really hard to get the costumes right in "The Tudors"? Ye Gods, that was annoying. It took forever for Jane Stockton to finally throw her constant product pitchmanship off the list. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] A great project for someone else
Why has no one seemed to publish patterns for Goth styles? I'd think someone would have jumped on it. Yes, I know that there is a lot of variety but the patterns could include different variations, suggestions, etc. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:16th-century short pants????
Thanks, Mike. That makes sense, as both of these examples are Dutch, and you do see a lot of German styles there, especially on soldiers. Do you have any other pictures of this style? Or could you point me to a website that discusses it? Tea Rose, who is still amused by those knobbly knees. From: michael tartaglio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th-century short pants Hi, All. The man (Uriah) in the painting is wearing typical "Landsknecht" style clothing. The full joined hose of the late 15th C. have become upper and nether hose. The upper will develop into breeches later on. You could make them for an overheated person, but to be correct, the uppers will be woolen with a linen lining, cut on the bias, and the lowers (nethers) just woolen. There exists a pair of linen hosen (full, joined) from somewhere in Germany or Holland, I can't remember offhand. I have seen the illos showing the strange "points" at the knees, some looking like the point is a lining or perhaps a long shirt, I'm not sure. On the one shown, the material is all blue, making it look like the hose or the lining (not a shirt, definitely). All this is, then, is the hose of the 15th C. separated at the knee into what becomes breeches and stockings. Cheers, Mike T. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]fabric widths (was Theater vs. Historic)
In a message dated 5/4/2007 6:41:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A nearer time period for this study of the constraints of fabric width/usage and its effect on clothing design is the Utility rules in place during WW2. There were strict rules for manufacturers of civilian wear in how much fabric could be used for specified garments. These restrictions are directly seen in the creative cut and line of fashion developed. Always nice to change the subject line when the topic changes radically.;-) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]fabric widths (was Theater vs. Historic)
At 01:01 PM 5/4/2007, you wrote: Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:59:58 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always nice to change the subject line when the topic changes radically.;-) Yes, it is! I have been skipping posts on this topic (Theater vs. Historic) Does anyone have a good summary of standard widths and lengths of fabrics in the Medieval and Renaissance periods? I know that it varied by type of textile (weave, location and fiber), but all I have is scattered all over the place in my notes. Thanks, Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
directors or PR people tout the historical accuracy when costumes get on my nerves. Anyone remember the Kevin Costner film that can't be named? I mean, the one set in England in Sherwood Forest -- not other Kevin Costner films that can't be named. They went on and on about the historical accuracy in that one, and it stunk. Y'all must read/hear/see stuff in places I don't, or something... Where, exactly, do people go "on and on" about the historical accuracy of costumes or content in cinematic movies? And why do people expect *anything* in the entertainment industry to be accurate -- historically or otherwise? It's entertainment. If you want living history and period authenticity there are better places to expect it than the movies. JMO Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Ok, I'm curious. What paintings inspired the "B at T" hat? And I did like most of the costumes,(they felt right, if that makes any sense), just the female lead's stood out to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming Sharon wrote: > "A Knight's Tale" is a great example. I don't know much about the period, > but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck > out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like > something from "Breakfast at Tiffany's". Actually, Sharon, none of the costumes were authentic in that film. I'm not sure what you are saying it's a great example of. Personally, I loved the costumes -- they had the FEEL of the historic period, while they were done in all sorts of weird fabrics, etc. I loved that whole "Breakfast at Tiffany's" outfit, and I know exactly which paintings inspired it! Another fun one is "Brother Sun, Sister Moon," the Franco Zeffirelli film about St. Francis. All sorts of bizarre fabrics used there, combining the period-like look of the garments with the textures and colors he wanted. If a story is supposed to be fantasy medieval, renaissance, Victorian, or just "old time" then I generally like it. As others have said, it's when directors or PR people tout the historical accuracy when costumes get on my nerves. Anyone remember the Kevin Costner film that can't be named? I mean, the one set in England in Sherwood Forest -- not other Kevin Costner films that can't be named. They went on and on about the historical accuracy in that one, and it stunk. The costumes need to help tell the story, and there are many legitimate ways to do that. What bugs me in a theater setting is when the costumes are amateurish (if it's a professional theater) or old and moth-eaten. One summer our opera company rented two sets of costumes that were just horrendous, and the main problem is that they looked about 30 years old and falling apart. One was for an opera about the French Revolution, and the company had all the main characters' costumes made while they rented the costumes for the aristocrats/chorus. The main costumes, for peasants, were much nicer than the aristocrats, who looked as if they had definitely fallen on hard times! But those things happen in theater... Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Greetings-- Lady Orla Carey wrote: I'm willing to bet that the great example Sharon is talking about is that "A Knight's Tale" doesn't pretend to be history. Several choices by the director (like the music) make it very clear that it's a "fun" music so the costumes weren't quite as annoying as they could have been. Precisely why I was willing to cut "Shakespeare in Love" some slack and was less willing to do so for "Elizabeth", which was out the same year. The former didn't try to sell itself to schools as history, whether costume-wise or in general, and poked fun at itself on numerous occasions. I liked "Knight's Tale," too--for the added reason that in the midst of all the funky and fun costumes and in-jokes, there's a modicum of what the actual historical tourney circuit might have been like. Oddly enough, there's as much history hiding in there as some of the so-called "historical" films. It's the same reason I enjoyed "300" (well, and the buff guys didn't hurt, either). The clothes were more fantasy and the history mixed with fantasy--but it felt very much like an epic tale told around the campfire. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic
And we can all add to the lists where this decision was a blatant mistake...I think Kathlwwn - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic In a message dated 5/4/2007 5:45:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The film people seem to make decisions of Costume that must bow to present aesthitcs... According to Ed Maeder, in his "Hollywood and History," that accompanied an exhibit of the same name from LACMA some years ago, makeup and hairstyles in films very often reflect the contemporary aesthetic, even if the costumes do not so much. Ann Wass ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
From what I can tell, being a relative newbie to Tudor/Elizabethan, "The Six Wives of Henry the VIII" (Keith Mitchell) and it's corollary, "Elizabeth R" with Glenda Jackson (both PBS, 1970's) are two outstandingly well done series as well as my first loves of the period. Laurie From: "Laurie Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:23:23 -0700 Hi, I've been following this thread with rapt fascination. I've learned a lot too. I teach costume history, an introductory course. We've decided to expand our use of films to get the point across about some aspects of costume, including the issue of period accuracy. I need to come up with a list of titles to recommend that our library acquire for our students to access. I will, if I can figure out how, go to the archives and pull a list of movies that have been discussed here, but would welcome any title suggestions that you might care to make, be they good or particularly bad, in the costume aspect. Thanks. Laurie T. _ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Y'all must read/hear/see stuff in places I don't, or something... Where, exactly, do people go "on and on" about the historical accuracy of costumes or content in cinematic movies? If we're talking about The Tudors, the Showtime (or HBO, can't keep them straight) program guide. And why do people expect *anything* in the entertainment industry to be > accurate -- historically or otherwise? It's entertainment. If you want living history and period authenticity there are better places to expect it than the movies. JMO Denise Iowa Yes, there are. However, there are films that do period costumes and settings correctly, and I enjoy those much more than those that pretend to do so and don't. I've been watching French costume films (Cyrano, Reine Margot) and by and large the costume are much better than American films. Maybe that's becauseFrench directors think the French audience is better informed about the times being portrayed. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: theatrical vs. historic costuming
Sharon Collier wrote: Ok, I'm curious. What paintings inspired the "B at T" hat? And I did like most of the costumes,(they felt right, if that makes any sense), just the female lead's stood out to me. I thought that white gauze hat thing was inspired by this painting: http://www.artsales.com/ARTprints/images/05lady_500.jpg At least, that's what came to mind when I caught a few minutes of the movie on cable the other night. Movie version: http://www.aboutrufus.com/Adhemar3.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
