[h-cost] FW: Tudor costume effigies database update
Cool...in case you haven't already gotten this... Sg- Original Message - From: Jane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Effigies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Tudor costume effigies database update I am pleased to announce the addition of new effigies to the Costume Research Image Library (CRIL) at a new, user-friendly web address: www.tudoreffigies.co.uk. Please visit, take a good look at the 36 new effigies (all of which are in Sussex churches) and do send me feedback at the email address below. I would like to know: why are the effigies interesting to you, how you will use the information they provide, and how can the database be improved? If you are in touch with other people who would like to know about the Tudor effigies available online, please pass on this message. If you manage a links page for a relevant website, please add www.tudoreffigies.co.uk to it. Thanks for your interest - and, to previous database users, thanks very much for your patience while the address change and upgrade have been happening! A third phase of research in Essex is underway (thanks to the Pasold Research Fund). Your comments help the project progress and provide sound evidence for future grant applications. The research centre at Winchester School of Art is coming to an end after five successful years. This means that the database needs new funding or rehoming! Regards, Jane M-D (Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apologies if you have already received this once. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
Dress #3, from my site is described as such: excerpt, Delineator, March 1894: (Figure No. 300G/No. 6772) Shaded taffeta is the material here pictured...which is admirably adapted for visiting, driving and other dressy wear. The skirt is of the 5 gored variety and, as is now considered correct, present fullness only at the back, the shaping of the gores, together with darts at the top, producing a smooth effect over the hips. ...trimmed with a lace edging and narrow insertion... (I question the term narrow insertion, looks wide to me) A very dressy toilette for an afternoon reception may be developed by the mode in shaded or chanegable silk, liberty silk, silk taffeta, crepon, India or China silk or plain or figured crepe de Chine. All sorts of wool and silk-and-wool materials are also well adapted to a toilette of this kind. So it seems any of your lighter-weight cloth, either wool or silk, would work well. Katy On Dec 5, 2007 5:34 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's The Mode in Costume out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn
RE: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
I like dress C, and you could use the tropical weght wool for it. Or the black orchid fabric, which sounnds like faille, a ribbed fabric with plenty of body . Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's The Mode in Costume out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn Wolfcat who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Irish cloak
A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer -- Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors? Thanks. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing?
Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic. Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10 years later. Love that thing! Not much that I have fits over her torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple white ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it. Adonis is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old. Most of the heads (excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress. (Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I mean). --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing?
At 19:28 06/12/2007, you wrote: Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic. Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10 years later. Love that thing! Not much that I have fits over her torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple white ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it. Adonis is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old. Most of the heads (excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress. (Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I mean). --cin My dear dummy is now nekkid, waiting for my own Tudor costume for 12th Night, if I ever get it done. The 18th century dress went off yesterday, with a very happy lady. I also have a hooded, mundane cloak to make for my DIL 's Christmas present - and it's less than three weeks to Christmas - yikes!! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop
Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? Absolutely shocking, of course. Have one's limbs entangled! Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are 1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the 1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires tango or international ballroom tango. The earliest I can think of is the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. Prend garde a toi! Bizet apparently quoted musically from a Spanish folk tune. That performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer -- Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors? I don't have a reference to hand, but I believe Kinsale-type cloaks are 18th or 19th century. -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] For your Belle Époque inspiration. ..
Alameda's own St. George Spirits just received label approval for St. George Absinthe Verte Yep, the first US-made US-legal absinthe since 1912. I tasted a distiller's proof earlier this year, and it was fabulous. Strong, delicate, complicated, not just bitter with black licorice. It comes in a cool vintage-style bottle too. The first commercial bottle sold on Monday, and general sales open on December 21. http://www.stgeorgespirits.com/ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/05/ MNQJTO9FM.DTL http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/dining/05absi.html andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop
B: We're going to practice the tango at arm's length Finace: Why? B: No reason... So did anyone see the Today Show this morning - a couple started their wedding dance conventionally and then switched to Baby Got Back. I hear their video is on YouTube. No interference with the dress... I found a really nice piece of music for my first dance, sort of a spicy tango-sounding waltz called Los Higuerones. The band decided they could not do it justice and played another waltz instead. I found this out at the reception. Oh well... -Carol Absolutely shocking, of course. Have one's limbs entangled! Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are 1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the 1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires tango or international ballroom tango. The earliest I can think of is the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. Prend garde a toi! Bizet apparently quoted musically from a Spanish folk tune. That performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s. --cin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
My thanks to all who've given me input. The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started. I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years. So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then. Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C. I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two. It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's. Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian: Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the appropriate crinoline. Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately configured for the tango. Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the reception you ip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking into a passionate tango. What theater! Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline. Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're welcome :-). Corded petticoats seem to be popular from ~1830 onward - I'd recommend looking at koshka-the-cat's work to see how one looks/moves: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/corded_petticoat.html and http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/1840_dress.html I haven't seen much in the way of flounced petticoats (except a bottom ruffle) until post-1850 (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong :-)). If you like the full skirts (in the modern sense of full, not the Victorian ;-)), but not the outrageous sleeves of the 1830s, you might try looking at the mid 1820s styles: http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html#1820 I am particularly partial to this one (at the moment): http://www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/userimages/collection/large/ batmc_i_09_1262.jpg However, wedding dresses are highly personal, and I have no idea what makes you go oooh and feel like a princess :-) Good luck! -sunny - original message --- From: Barbara -_- M aren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, thanks for pointing this out! When I say his suit is 1830s is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I definitely see the style around much later. I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. Thanks, B M NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the reception you ip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking into a passionate tango. What theater!\ Whoohoo - sounds like fun! Patty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Thu 12/6/2007 5:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak
As I recall, the information that comes with the pattern says it's unchanged for centuries or something like that, and claims it's ok for all periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty sure that's not so. Personally, I think it looks like wearing a box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly hood attached. MaggiRos --- Adele de Maisieres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer -- Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors? I don't have a reference to hand, but I believe Kinsale-type cloaks are 18th or 19th century. -- Adele de Maisieres Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
2007/12/7, Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian: Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the appropriate crinoline. Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately configured for the tango. Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the reception you ip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking into a passionate tango. What theater! Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline. Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer :-) So cool! Ruth, that was precisely the idea I had a few weeks ago when I went running. Imagine even this: In some wedding parties it's common to auction away the garter of the bride. Every time someone makes the bid, her skirt is lifted a few inches more, to expose more of the leg, until finally the garter is visible. Now imagine this same bride later just throwing off the skirt that was lifted so ceremoniously and hesitantly before. Hm, I guess the bidders would feel cheated... :-) I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make myself... The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open. But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only... oh just if there wasn't so much choice... :-) B M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
At 07:57 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote: So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine is wearing a white linen Elizabethan shift. And an elastic waisted terra-cotta linen street-length skirt that I made because I had pretty fabric and needed a new skirt and it took all of two whole hours to make. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak
On Thursday 06 December 2007, MaggiRos wrote: As I recall, the information that comes with the pattern says it's unchanged for centuries or something like that, and claims it's ok for all periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty sure that's not so. Personally, I think it looks like wearing a box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly hood attached. It is my impression that the Kinsale cloak in its present form started to be seen sometime in the 18th century. Never having researched the subject, I'm not certain of that, but based on what I know about 18th c clothing, it seems likely to me. I have one. I made up the Folkwear pattern (without the hood, because I was having a hard enough time gathering the cloak enough to sew the collar on) in a lightweight wool/silk twill blend. I wore it occasionally in fall weather while I was in college. It was a wonderfully fun garment, but I can understand that many people might not want to be burdened with so much material. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
Also have you tried a bridal shop? Any time I've seen a bride's garter, they are blue and white and sometimes with a little ornament (white bell, etc) added. As far as finding/making things, that's something you can assign to a bridesmaid to research and get for you. ;-) -Carol On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:16 AM, otsisto wrote: Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. Which was originally: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a silver sixpence in her shoe. English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you do not have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on the slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. De -Original Message- I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make myself... The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open. But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only... oh just if there wasn't so much choice... :-) B M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. Which was originally: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a silver sixpence in her shoe. English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you do not have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on the slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. De -Original Message- I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make myself... The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open. But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only... oh just if there wasn't so much choice... :-) B M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
