[h-cost] interesting stuff from Project Guttenberg

[JAMES OGILVIE]

This lady's blog researches internet links to various subjects of interest 
to textile people.  Here are documents she found on Project Gutenberg - 
dates between 1850 and 1920.
http://creativityjourney.blogspot.com/2008/03/textile-related-publications-1846-1921.html

Janet


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Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines

[Andrew Trembley]

Anne Moeller wrote:
> Some of us like to have different machines for different projects.  Some of
> us collect them for their beauty.  Some of us just can't decide which
> machine is best.  I just think that they are really cool!

I buy machines because they're good at something that my other machines 
aren't. I very rarely think in terms of replacing machines, because at 
this point I've developed a collection of machines, each of which is the 
best at a particular technique and which I wouldn't consider 
substituting with something else.

andy

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Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines

[Carol Kocian]

> So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when  
> buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do  
> different things?

  Tee hee - sewing machines are like cars, and it's all a matter  
of how you buy them.  Some people upgrade every few years, others get  
something for it's reliability and use it for decades.

  A few years back I had my machine serviced (cleaned & oiled).   
The rather opinionated repairman said he first learned on that  
machine, and exclaimed that he wouldn't give me $5 on a trade-in.  I  
said why would I get rid of a perfectly good machine for only $5?

  There are other machines that are are kept because they are  
sentimental, perhaps inherited.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Carol Kocian]

On May 14, 2008, at 10:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I should think I could even use my straight knitting machines to  
> make the stockings if I wanted a seam up the back. And even if you  
> knit them by hand  you're going to have some give because of the  
> nature of the stitches.

  You would think so, but when examining originals I can see that  
18th century handknits are done tighter and firmer than is done by  
modern handknitters.  Try knitting with a yarn that is the same  
thickness as your needles and you will be closer to it.

  But again, it all depends on whether you are aiming for exact  
repros, or something that improves on most of what is available and  
people will want.

> But right now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more  
> outfits than making stockings for other people. It's really hard  
> trying to get some sewing done with a retired husband around. Every  
> time I want to go in my sewing room, he thinks  of some other work  
> I should be doing instead.

  If he's recently retired, sounds like he needs to find his own  
work he should be doing.  I take it he was in management?  :-D  I  
hate to suggest he might like the knitting machines, because then you  
still might not get to work with them yourself.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Carol Kocian]

On May 14, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> I thought fine gauge might be nice for lacey knits.

  Or use thin yarn on a medium gauge machine.

> I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got  
> this childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not  
> so bad if you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my  
> mother's strong preference for crocheting over knitting.

  At least try scarves as a way to learn different stitches.  If  
you hate counting stitches, put a marker every 5 stitches and then  
you will see quickly if you are missing one.  Eventually you will get  
a feel for it and not have to count very much at all.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines

[Anne Moeller]

So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when 
buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do 
different things?

Suzi - wasting time 'cos I hate the current job!




Suzi, Suzi, Suzi

Some of us like to have different machines for different projects.  Some of
us collect them for their beauty.  Some of us just can't decide which
machine is best.  I just think that they are really cool!

Anne  (Singer treadle, 2 hand crank machines, a Featherweight, my mother's
old Slant-O-Matic,  my Singer Fashion machine bought 40 years ago, my newr
Singer with free arm and stretch stitch capability and my battery operated
lock stitch machine for camping)



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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[ShaShalott]

 




You can still find knitting machines on ebay. Just make sure you type in  
"knitting machine", not the plural. Brother and Studio machines are the more  
common ones and very much the same in the way they look and how you use  them. 
Passap is the more expensive one and the carriage and some of  the terminology 
is a bit different. I bought the Studios because there was a  store in town 
that handled them at the time, but if one was available I would  have rather 
gone 
for the Brother machines. I do love my Studio machines  though.
 
Chris P. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/14/2008 7:57:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On May  14, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> Unfortunately, your  impression seems to be about right. Both Passap  
> (the most  advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest  
>  Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines.

Then maybe secondhand machines would be available.  I guess  the  
idea of seeing machines at a shop is less likely,  though.

> I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend  themselves  
> to multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're  pretty much  
> useless without at least basic knowledge of  hand-knitting. Then  
> again, it could just be that serious  knitting machines are large,  
> too large for  apartment-dwellers.

Industrial machines would tend  to be more limited, each to its  
particular purpose.  Some are  much wider than home machines, can make  
very wide fabric or multiple  items at once.   Home machines are made  
to be versatile  for varied projects.

Andy covered the details on  gauges.  I think most people would  
start with the medium.   Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster,  
bulky knitters are not  as crucial to have.  Fine gauge is also a  
specialty type of  machine.

You may well want to have all three  gauges, fully computerized  
and automated.  But the medium would  be a good start.

-Carol


 



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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

> 
> I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's  anything 
> like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and  bind 
> off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually  
> transfer 
> the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving  the 
> carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in,  
> add 
> the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I  
> also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to 
> sew  
> the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger 
> at  the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special 
> carriage or  machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an 
> old one I 
> bought  somewhere but never tried it out.
>

OK, it sounds like fun.

Thanks,

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[ShaShalott]

 
In a message dated 5/14/2008 2:15:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

A lady  here in the U. K. makes lovely stockings with a machine. You 
might like to  contact her and ask her advice/help. Her name is Sally Pointer.
http://www.sallypointer.com/

Suzi 


Thanks a lot for the info!  I'll check into it.
 
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[ShaShalott]

I should think I could even use my straight knitting machines to make the  
stockings if I wanted a seam up the back. And even if you knit them by hand  
you're going to have some give because of the nature of the stitches. But right 
 
now I'm more concerned about sewing myself a couple more outfits than making  
stockings for other people. It's really hard trying to get some sewing done 
with  a retired husband around. Every time I want to go in my sewing room, he 
thinks  of some other work I should be doing instead.
 
Chris P.
 

On May 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I  also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I  
>  haven't  done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I   
> could make stockings on it  that re enactors could  use.


It depends on the era and accuracy you're  aiming for.  Circular  
knitters were used for stockings in the  19th century.  Prior to that,  
machine-knit stocking were knit  flat to shape and seamed up the back  
and along the sides of the  foot.  Hand knit stockings were always  
around and knit in the  round.

With a circular sock machine, you could make  accurate stockings  
for the 19th and 20th centuries.  For earlier  times, you can offer  
colors and materials beyond what is commercially  available currently.

Early knits for stockings, both  hand and frame (machine) knit,  
are dense without much stretch.   Latch hook machines make a stretchy  
knit, and even with the tension  set very high it's not exactly the same.

Considering  that a most historic costuming means compromise,  
you can provide  something that will be useful to earlier reenactors.

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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[ShaShalott]

 
In a message dated 5/13/2008 11:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How much  is it like using a weaving loom?

I love knitted sweaters, I used to  crochet, but for some reason I just 
have never wanted to knit by  hand.

Fran


I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's  anything 
like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and  bind 
off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually  transfer 
the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving  the 
carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in,  
add 
the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I  
also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to 
sew  
the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger 
at  the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special 
carriage or  machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an old 
one I 
bought  somewhere but never tried it out.
 
Chris



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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

I've always seen crocheting as more freeform.

Fran

Alexandria Doyle wrote:
>> I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this
>> childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if
>> you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong
>> preference for crocheting over knitting.
>>
> 
> I've also found that there are those who love crochet and hate
> knitting, and other that love knitting and hate crochet.
> 
> I can do both, but I'd rather be knitting.
> 
> It's kind of like those that embroider, some like charted
> designs/techniques and others that prefer free form work.
> 
> alex
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Alexandria Doyle]

>
> I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this
> childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if
> you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong
> preference for crocheting over knitting.
>

I've also found that there are those who love crochet and hate
knitting, and other that love knitting and hate crochet.

I can do both, but I'd rather be knitting.

It's kind of like those that embroider, some like charted
designs/techniques and others that prefer free form work.

alex
-- 
"I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you
know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood,
injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's
Friday..." ;)
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

>   Industrial machines would tend to be more limited, each to its  
> particular purpose.  Some are much wider than home machines, can make  
> very wide fabric or multiple items at once.   Home machines are made  
> to be versatile for varied projects.

Which is a good idea.

> 
>   Andy covered the details on gauges.  I think most people would  
> start with the medium. 

That's what I remember people starting with when I looked into this before.

  Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster,
> bulky knitters are not as crucial to have.  Fine gauge is also a  
> specialty type of machine.

I thought fine gauge might be nice for lacey knits.

I suppose I should consider taking up hand knitting, but I've got this 
childhood block about it. I suppose counting stitches is not so bad if 
you're an adult. I suppose I was also influenced by my mother's strong 
preference for crocheting over knitting.

Fran
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http://www.lavoltapress.com

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[h-cost] NESAT X

[Beth and Bob Matney]

The 10th NESAT Conference (Northern European Society for 
Archaeological Textiles) is going on this week (13-18 May 2008) in Copenhagen.

You can download a schedule here 
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/upload/application/pdf/f51d6748/Program%20May6.pdf

The current anticipated date of publication is Spring 2009.

Wish that I were there!.. but the DISTAFF sessions last week at the 
Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo were very good also.

Beth 

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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Carol Kocian]

On May 14, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> Unfortunately, your impression seems to be about right. Both Passap  
> (the most advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest  
> Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines.

  Then maybe secondhand machines would be available.  I guess the  
idea of seeing machines at a shop is less likely, though.

> I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend themselves  
> to multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're pretty much  
> useless without at least basic knowledge of hand-knitting. Then  
> again, it could just be that serious knitting machines are large,  
> too large for apartment-dwellers.

  Industrial machines would tend to be more limited, each to its  
particular purpose.  Some are much wider than home machines, can make  
very wide fabric or multiple items at once.   Home machines are made  
to be versatile for varied projects.

  Andy covered the details on gauges.  I think most people would  
start with the medium.  Since large-gauge handknitting goes faster,  
bulky knitters are not as crucial to have.  Fine gauge is also a  
specialty type of machine.

  You may well want to have all three gauges, fully computerized  
and automated.  But the medium would be a good start.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Andrew T Trembley]

On May 14, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> But y'know, I love equipment, and I want the latest in knitting
> machines. They seem to be rather out of fashion. There was a time when
> everybody had to have a sewing machine and a knitting machine, then  
> they
> had to have a sewing machine and a serger, now they have to have an
> embroidery sewing machine.

Unfortunately, your impression seems to be about right. Both Passap  
(the most advanced European manufacturer) and Brother (the biggest  
Japanese manufacturer) no longer produce knitting machines.

I'm not sure if it's that knitting machines don't lend themselves to  
multi-purpose designs, or if it's that they're pretty much useless  
without at least basic knowledge of hand-knitting. Then again, it  
could just be that serious knitting machines are large, too large for  
apartment-dwellers.

andy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

It's been over 25 years since I looked at knitting machines, so I can 
hardly be expected to know everything about modern ones. I have seen 
that the comparatively simple knitting looms that were around when I 
looked 25 years ago are still available. And actually, the prices are so 
low, it's not that expensive to buy one each for fine, medium, and thick 
yarn. But y'know, I love equipment, and I want the latest in knitting 
machines. They seem to be rather out of fashion. There was a time when 
everybody had to have a sewing machine and a knitting machine, then they 
had to have a sewing machine and a serger, now they have to have an 
embroidery sewing machine.

For some reason, when I was a kid and my mother introduced me to crochet 
and knitting, I liked crochet and I disliked knitting. I couldn't stand 
counting stitches when knitting; but then I was pretty young.

Just the same I'd be interested in a home crocheting loom if there is 
such a thing. I spent five minutes on the net, and what I found is (a) 
instructions for doing a crochet stitch on a knitting machine and (b) 
simple devices for hairpin crochet--I had one of those when I was a kid too.

Fran


> 
> A modern knitting machine bed is usually a long chunk of aluminum with  
> small carefully spaced machined channels in which the needles lie.  
> It's a simple and effective design, with very tight tolerances. The  
> practicality of engineering a bed with variable-depth and variable- 
> width channels so hundreds of needles can be replaced with a different  
> number of different-sized needles that require different spacing in  
> the same area is absurd.
> 
> andy
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Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches]

[Susan Farmer]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>
> If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly   
> could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have   
> spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :)
>

There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't  
any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of  
my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650.

A lady in the SCA has her research (and the snippets from a couple of  
the paintings) here
http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat's%20Soccaccia.html

Susan
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Susan Farmer
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Andrew T Trembley]

On May 14, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> And here I thought precision machining had improved over the years  
> too.

Oh, it has, but that doesn't change the design of a knitting machine  
bed.

A modern knitting machine bed is usually a long chunk of aluminum with  
small carefully spaced machined channels in which the needles lie.  
It's a simple and effective design, with very tight tolerances. The  
practicality of engineering a bed with variable-depth and variable- 
width channels so hundreds of needles can be replaced with a different  
number of different-sized needles that require different spacing in  
the same area is absurd.

andy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

And here I thought precision machining had improved over the years too.

Fran

Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> On May 14, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
>> Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow  
>> sliding
>> in a new unit.  Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards  
>> are
>> good to know about.
> 
> Alas, this is a question of precision machining, not of computer  
> control.
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Andrew T Trembley]

On May 14, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow  
> sliding
> in a new unit.  Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards  
> are
> good to know about.

Alas, this is a question of precision machining, not of computer  
control.

andy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

Pity, I thought the miracles of computerization might now allow sliding 
in a new unit.  Still, the computer controls instead of punch cards are 
good to know about.

Fran

Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> On May 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
>> The computer control sounds cool.
>>
>> Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you  
>> had
>> to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could
>> not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you
>> can just adjust to your yarn thickness?
> 
> Carol K appears to have far greater knowledge on knitting machines  
> than I do, but I can answer this one.
> 
> Knitting different size yarns by hand requires different size knitting  
> needles. Knitting different size yarns by machine requires different  
> size knitting needles, and this necessitates different needle spacing.  
> The only way to "adjust" to different size needles would be to replace  
> the whole needle bed, and that's the largest part of the machine.
> 
> Even the high-end machines have these limitations.
> 
> It is possible to run thicker yarns on machines designed for thinner  
> yarns if the needles allow, but the needle spacing can still be an  
> issue. One of the tricks is to move alternating needles into the "non- 
> working" position to create extra space, but you're effectively  
> halving the size of your machine when you do this, and probably  
> wonking up the punch card or computer-controlled patterns.
> 
> andy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Andrew T Trembley]

On May 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> The computer control sounds cool.
>
> Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you  
> had
> to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could
> not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you
> can just adjust to your yarn thickness?

Carol K appears to have far greater knowledge on knitting machines  
than I do, but I can answer this one.

Knitting different size yarns by hand requires different size knitting  
needles. Knitting different size yarns by machine requires different  
size knitting needles, and this necessitates different needle spacing.  
The only way to "adjust" to different size needles would be to replace  
the whole needle bed, and that's the largest part of the machine.

Even the high-end machines have these limitations.

It is possible to run thicker yarns on machines designed for thinner  
yarns if the needles allow, but the needle spacing can still be an  
issue. One of the tricks is to move alternating needles into the "non- 
working" position to create extra space, but you're effectively  
halving the size of your machine when you do this, and probably  
wonking up the punch card or computer-controlled patterns.

andy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

The computer control sounds cool.

Earlier I was looking at some bottom of the line machines where you had 
to get a machine for either fine, medium, or thick yarn--but you could 
not use all three on the same machine. Are there any machines that you 
can just adjust to your yarn thickness?

BTW, are there crocheting machines?

Thanks,

Fran



> Some machines support punch cards. Some machines have computer control. 
> Some machines are purely manual.
> 
> There's a great demo on youtube 
>  in three parts that shows 
> manual shaping of a sock.
> 
> andy
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[h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches]

[cw15147-hcost00]

Belatedly chiming in (sorry, I'm always a few weeks behind in reading this 
list).

Here's the webpage the picture of the pocket came from:
http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/pocketsofhistory.html

They don't have a date for the specific pocket being discussed, and their image 
database won't be online until 2008 (hello? it's 2008 already!), but they do 
mention that their pockets date from 1700 to 1800. The shape and embroidery on 
this pocket is very typical of pockets seen in the 1700s (as in, there's dozens 
of similar extant examples, many of them American). So, I'm afraid it's really 
unlikely that this pocket dates to the 1600s.

To the person who asked about making a pocket like this one: it's most likely 
crewelwork, and you can find diagrams of very similar pockets in (and I may 
need to verify):
"Fitting & Proper" by Sharon Ann Burnston
"Costume Close-Up" by Linda Baumgarten et. al.
"18th Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh
and lots of pretty pictures at:
http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/pockets/collections/index.html

If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly could be 
possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have spontaneously appeared in the 
year 1700. :)



Claudine
(who collects photos of 18th c. pockets :)  )

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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500
From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
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I remember reading that it was early 1600s but I am not 100% sure of the
year 20. It was list in either Elizabethan or Jacobean.

De

-Original Message-

At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote:
>I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said
>that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s.
>Presently I can not find the site.

The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was
1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of,
for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated
that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or
with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there,
as a volunteer.

Suzi

>De
>
*

Kate Bunting
Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian
University of Derby

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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Andrew Trembley]

Lavolta Press wrote:
>>   With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project.   
>> The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back &  
>> forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving.
> 
> I know this sounds totally decadent, but are there any home machines 
> with electric carriages?

There are motor drives available for some knitting machines. They 
automate sliding the carriage, but that's it. The motor drive must be 
halted while carriage or needle settings are adjusted manually as 
required by your pattern. I don't know of any home machines that are 
fully automated.

>>   It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with  
>> punch cards on a knitting machine.  Patterns can be done with cards  
>> as well.
> 
> And will they all take cards?

Some machines support punch cards. Some machines have computer control. 
Some machines are purely manual.

There's a great demo on youtube 
 in three parts that shows 
manual shaping of a sock.

andy

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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Lavolta Press]

> 
>   With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project.   
> The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back &  
> forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving.

I know this sounds totally decadent, but are there any home machines 
with electric carriages?

> 
>   It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with  
> punch cards on a knitting machine.  Patterns can be done with cards  
> as well.

And will they all take cards?

> 
>   One approach is to go to a store that sells the machines to see  
> the features and capabilities of each.  I visited several stores to  
> see different brands.

I will eventually, but due to time constraints, not right now. I 
probably won't get one till after we move, I need a bigger sewing room 
even for all the stuff I have now, let alone a new sewing machine and a 
knitting machine.

Thanks,

Fran
Lavolta Press
http://www.lavoltapress.com
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Carol Kocian]

On May 14, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> How much is it like using a weaving loom?

  With either, it depends on how you set it up and your project.   
The motion of a home knitting machine is to slide the carriage back &  
forth, simpler than raising the sheds and throwing a shuttle in weaving.

  It gets complicated with shaping, but that can be done with  
punch cards on a knitting machine.  Patterns can be done with cards  
as well.

  One approach is to go to a store that sells the machines to see  
the features and capabilities of each.  I visited several stores to  
see different brands.

  It sounds like you have an idea of the type of things you want  
to make.  For historic costume, home knitting machines are most  
suitable for 19th ad 20th century items.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Viking serger (was Overlocker thread)

[Mary]

Katy,

I have a Viking 905, which I believe is still sold, that I bought at least 10 
years ago.  It's pretty basic, but easy to thread and runs like a trooper.  You 
can do 2, 3 or 4 thread stitches, and it's easy to switch to/from rolled hems, 
etc.  http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/us/880.htm  

I finally had it serviced a few months ago, because it was acting up, and got 
thoroughly scolded by the service technician for not having it regularly 
serviced or oiling it every 100 hrs.  So, to quote the old Timex ad, it takes a 
licking and keeps on ticking!

My friend has the 910, which is the exact same machine, but it has a "sewing 
advisor" display that helps you to set the tension, differential, etc, rather 
than looking up the settings in the manual.  Not worth the extra money, IMO...

~mary

 


The whole difference between construction and creation is exactly this: that a 
thing constructed can only be loved after it is constructed; but a thing 
created is loved before it exists.
~ Charles Dickens




>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:55:24 -0400
>From: "Katy Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
>
>I had a very early Viking home serger, bought about 25 years ago, that
>was always such a pain to thread and the tension would get screwed up
>easily.  I haven't had a working serger for about 10 years now and I
>miss it.  Does anyone have a recent Viking serger, any
>recommendations?
>
>Katy
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Carol Kocian]

On May 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I  
> haven't  done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I  
> could make stockings on it  that re enactors could use.


  It depends on the era and accuracy you're aiming for.  Circular  
knitters were used for stockings in the 19th century.  Prior to that,  
machine-knit stocking were knit flat to shape and seamed up the back  
and along the sides of the foot.  Hand knit stockings were always  
around and knit in the round.

  With a circular sock machine, you could make accurate stockings  
for the 19th and 20th centuries.  For earlier times, you can offer  
colors and materials beyond what is commercially available currently.

  Early knits for stockings, both hand and frame (machine) knit,  
are dense without much stretch.  Latch hook machines make a stretchy  
knit, and even with the tension set very high it's not exactly the same.

  Considering that a most historic costuming means compromise,  
you can provide something that will be useful to earlier reenactors.

  -Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Rickard, Patty]

I used to crochet, but I never wanted to knit either. I think, for me,
it's because you get to use so much air (holes on purpose) when you
crochet - it goes faster.

Patty

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:38 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

How much is it like using a weaving loom?

I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just 
have never wanted to knit by hand.

Fran

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing

> attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I
haven't used  
> them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them
hats,  
> scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and
made  
> pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't
have to  know 
> how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete

> different.
>  
> I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I
haven't  
> done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make
stockings on 
> it  that re enactors could use.
>  
> Chris P.
> 
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines

[Suzi Clarke]

At 04:05 14/05/2008, you wrote:
>Lurker here. I own 3 knitting machines: a regular Studio with ribbing
>attachment, a regular Studio with no ribber, and a chunky Studio. I 
>haven't used
>them much lately but when my kids were small I was always making them hats,
>scarves, lined mittens, and sweaters. I used to be in craft fairs and made
>pretty good money just selling lined mittens and slippers. You don't 
>have to  know
>how to hand knit to use a machine because the terminology is complete
>different.
>
>I also own a very old stocking knitting machine that is circular. I haven't
>done anything with that yet. I am curious to see if I could make stockings on
>it  that re enactors could use.


A lady here in the U. K. makes lovely stockings with a machine. You 
might like to contact her and ask her advice/help. Her name is Sally Pointer.
  http://www.sallypointer.com/

Suzi 

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