[h-cost] 1830's fashion
A friend is looking for sources on 1830's fashion, specifically in Washington, DC (if that ends up being relevant), and I'm rather out of my depth. What are the best sources for that era? What would you recommend to someone who isn't a costume historian but would like to get the details right in a description? Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Yes, I have to concur, I forgot to mention that one. LOL! I can't decide if it was an alien trying to eat her head, or coming out of her head. Either that, or she decided she wanted to pay tribute to/compete with the trees in the Abbey snicker The colour didn't do her any favours either, the grandmothers at my husband's brother's wedding wore colours like that, only with more sequins and beads...(which probably couldn't have made it any worse). Cheers, Danielle At 06:07 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote: Well then. My least favorite hat, of the ones I was able to see well, was HRH Beatrice's-- I think! The one wearing pink, with the odd vertical sculpture on it. Yeesh. You'd think she'd have noticed it wasn't flattering. Or perhaps they didn't give her a 360 mirror. Feathers, I can live with. But that thing was just plain odd. Her blue sister's hat was simply unfortunate; but the pink one was an oddity. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men's Outfits in Brueghel
I've been away for a few days, so I only saw this thread today. I've made a pair of the fitted hose as noted in the Tudor Tailor book, although I draped directly on the man's body, not using a pattern except as a guide to draping. Even using a pattern, it really needs to be fitted as close to the man's body as possible (especially in the crotch for the mans comfort), in order for it to stay on him without much need of lacing (although for some bodies, the lacing helps). The garment is made on the bias of the fabric, which in my client's case was in wool twill flannel, as twill that gives with strength to the fabric. It was lined in the upper portion only (not legs) with linen which made it comfortable to wear without much scratching from the linen. You mention the beer belly, which I didn't really have to deal with so I've no specific hints there. I would make sure it goes up to the man's actual waistline in the back, and if needed dip a little in front to a comfortable point around the belly. I don't know if your man is like most men I know where he keeps his pants/jeans at below the belly right off the hips (with that threat of revealing a bit too much in the back), but it helps the visual look if he will wear his pants over the belly. As to modern underpants showing, well, I guess that depends on what fabrics you used. The wool flannel twill I used didn't really show the client's undies, but other fabrics might. I am not sure the evidence of linen braes like were used in the medieval period, but that may be an option. I don't have any men's sites to help, as the one blog for men's clothing of this time period I know of, the guy hasn't written about breeches (at least not tagged as such). I hope this helps a little. Kimiko On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:13 PM, J A Urbik wrote: So, here is the question. It is obvious that the hosen have points to tie them up to(I assume) the vest that seems fairly standard. It is also fairly ovious(looks at the harvester painting) that the pants stay up on their own. HOW??? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
I swear, it looked like nothing other than one of those plastic, molded bits from the 1970's, that were painted gold and were used as wall decoration. Specifically, an oval picture frame with molded bow. I think my great aunt had one, or something very close, on her wall. It was hideous there, too. On a related note, people were saying her raccoon eye makeup looked awful, too. I saw a bit on TV, filmed before the wedding, in which Diane Sawyer was interviewing the hat designer, and who should drop by, but Princess Beatrice. Without makeup, just casually dressed. She was looked lovely. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat Yes, I have to concur, I forgot to mention that one. LOL! I can't decide if it was an alien trying to eat her head, or coming out of her head. Either that, or she decided she wanted to pay tribute to/compete with the trees in the Abbey snicker The colour didn't do her any favours either, the grandmothers at my husband's brother's wedding wore colours like that, only with more sequins and beads...(which probably couldn't have made it any worse). Cheers, Danielle At 06:07 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote: Well then. My least favorite hat, of the ones I was able to see well, was HRH Beatrice's-- I think! The one wearing pink, with the odd vertical sculpture on it. Yeesh. You'd think she'd have noticed it wasn't flattering. Or perhaps they didn't give her a 360 mirror. Feathers, I can live with. But that thing was just plain odd. Her blue sister's hat was simply unfortunate; but the pink one was an oddity. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] kate's wedding dress skirt
is the part of the dress I'm interested in. Anybody have any ideas on how the pleating at the side of the waist and in back interacts with the welt seaming (?) between the skirt panels? OR any educated guessing on if or when there might be a real commercial pattern available for this exact dress, not just some knock-off designer's version? thanks much! chimene (who is hard at work compiling a folder of pics to work from, if worst comes to worst and I have to figure it out for myself, 8-)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
I thought the hat should have had a portrait of the happy couple in the frame below the bow. Katy On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrote: I swear, it looked like nothing other than one of those plastic, molded bits from the 1970's, that were painted gold and were used as wall decoration. Specifically, an oval picture frame with molded bow. I think my great aunt had one, or something very close, on her wall. It was hideous there, too. On a related note, people were saying her raccoon eye makeup looked awful, too. I saw a bit on TV, filmed before the wedding, in which Diane Sawyer was interviewing the hat designer, and who should drop by, but Princess Beatrice. Without makeup, just casually dressed. She was looked lovely. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat Yes, I have to concur, I forgot to mention that one. LOL! I can't decide if it was an alien trying to eat her head, or coming out of her head. Either that, or she decided she wanted to pay tribute to/compete with the trees in the Abbey snicker The colour didn't do her any favours either, the grandmothers at my husband's brother's wedding wore colours like that, only with more sequins and beads...(which probably couldn't have made it any worse). Cheers, Danielle At 06:07 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote: Well then. My least favorite hat, of the ones I was able to see well, was HRH Beatrice's-- I think! The one wearing pink, with the odd vertical sculpture on it. Yeesh. You'd think she'd have noticed it wasn't flattering. Or perhaps they didn't give her a 360 mirror. Feathers, I can live with. But that thing was just plain odd. Her blue sister's hat was simply unfortunate; but the pink one was an oddity. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Thinking of starting a Bad Hat Society... Kathleen -Original Message- From: Katy Bishop katybisho...@gmail.com Sent 5/3/2011 6:47:30 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] least favorite hatI thought the hat should have had a portrait of the happy couple in the frame below the bow. Katy On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrot e: I swear, it looked like nothing other than one of those plastic, molded b its from the 1970's, that were painted gold and were used as wall decoration. Specifically, an oval picture frame with molded bow. I think my great aunt had one, or something very close, on her wall. It was hideous there, too. On a related note, people were saying her raccoon eye makeup looked awful, too. I saw a bit on TV, filmed before the wedding, in which Diane Sawyer was interviewing the hat designer, and who should drop by, but Princess Beatrice. Without makeup, just casually dressed. She was looked lovely. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat Yes, I have to concur, I forgot to mention that one. ?LOL! ?I can't d ecide if it was an alien trying to eat her head, or coming out of her head. Either that, or she decided she wanted to pay tribute to/compete with the trees in the Abbey ?snicker ?The colour didn't do her any favou rs either, the grandmothers at my husband's brother's wedding wore colours l ike that, only with more sequins and beads...(which probably couldn't have ma de it any worse). Cheers, Danielle At 06:07 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote: Well then. My least favorite hat, of the ones I was able to see well, was HRH Beatrice's-- I think! The one wearing pink, with the odd vertical sculpture on it. ?Yeesh. You'd think she'd have noticed it wasn't flattering. Or perhaps they didn't give her a 360 mirror. Feathers, I can live with. But that thing was just plain odd. Her blue sister's hat was simply unfortunate; but the pink one was an oddity. ? ? == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.VintageVictorian.com ? ?? Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. ? ? ? Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1830's fashion
Goday's Lady's magazine starts in the 1830's in Philadelphia I believe. Here's a link http://www.accessible.com/accessible/aboutGL.jsp But fashion plates don't always get the idea of what real people are wearing (just like today) so it's good to look at the real thing. There are fine examples of real gowns in that big thick book of fashion exhibits by the Kyoto Museum. (Is it just called Fashion? I can't remember) Here's a lovely walking gown at the Met Museum in NYC scroll about halfway down the page: http://knot-cha-cha.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html And I always like to see what the gowns look like in movement, on a person. So I'll look at something in film or TV that is well designed remembering they are costumes not actual gowns of course. BBC did a miniseries of Wives and Daughters which is in the 1830's. Check that out. -Original Message- From: e...@huskers.unl.edu e...@huskers.unl.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 2:10 am Subject: [h-cost] 1830's fashion A friend is looking for sources on 1830's fashion, specifically in Washington, DC (if that ends up being relevant), and I'm rather out of my depth. What are the best sources for that era? What would you recommend to someone who isn't a costume historian but would like to get the details right in a description? Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kate's wedding dress skirt
The skirt is similar ro rhe Margret Rose gown; wonder if there was anything published about it? kathleen -Original Message- From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org Sent 5/3/2011 6:46:11 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] kate's wedding dress skirtis the part of the dress I'm interested in. Anybody have any ideas on how the pleating at the side of the waist and in back interacts with the welt seaming (?) between the skirt panels? OR any educated guessing on if or when there might be a real commercial pattern available for this exact dress, not just some knock-off designer's version? thanks much! chimene (who is hard at work compiling a folder of pics to work from, if worst comes to worst and I have to figure it out for myself, 8-)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1830's fashion
I recently got a copy of The Rise and Fall of the Sleeve (Scottish museum pub) that has pics from all the mags of that period.? Also, publications relating to the Lowell Mills have much info and some pics. -Original Message- From: albert...@aol.com Sent 5/3/2011 7:25:50 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830's fashionGoday's Lady's magazine starts in the 1830's in Philadelphia I believe. Here's a link http://www.accessible.com/accessible/aboutGL.jsp But fashion plates don't always get the idea of what real people are wearing (just like today) so it's good to look at the real thing. There are fine examples of real gowns in that big thick book of fashion exhibits by the Kyoto Museum. (Is it just called Fashion? I can't remember) Here's a lovely walking gown at the Met Museum in NYC scroll about halfway down the page: http://knot-cha-cha.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html And I always like to see what the gowns look like in movement, on a person. So I'll look at something in film or TV that is well designed remembering they are costumes not actual gowns of course. BBC did a miniseries of Wives and Daughters which is in the 1830's. Check that out. -Original Message- From: e...@huskers.unl.edu e...@huskers.unl.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 2:10 am Subject: [h-cost] 1830's fashion A friend is looking for sources on 1830's fashion, specifically in Washington, DC (if that ends up being relevant), and I'm rather out of my depth. What are the best sources for that era? What would you recommend to someone who isn't a costume historian but would like to get the details right in a description? Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Thinking of starting a Bad Hat Society... Kathleen You're too late: http://madhattery.royalroundup.com/ :) (Ok, not strictly *bad* hats) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1830's fashion
And a link from your second link: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/royal_magazine.html It's ALL 1830s fashion. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 3, 2011, at 4:25 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Goday's Lady's magazine starts in the 1830's in Philadelphia I believe. Here's a link http://www.accessible.com/accessible/aboutGL.jsp http://knot-cha-cha.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Gosh that was fun! Thanks for the link! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 3, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Rachel Sohn wrote: Thinking of starting a Bad Hat Society... Kathleen You're too late: http://madhattery.royalroundup.com/ :) (Ok, not strictly *bad* hats) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fwd: CSA-WR Program Invitation: Wardrobe as Autobiography: The Charmian London Collection (Glen Ellen, CA )
Dear Costume Enthusiasts, I am pleased to invite you to our upcoming Costume Society of America -Western Region program for May 2011: Wardrobe as Autobiography: The Charmian London Collection to be held Saturday May 14, 2011 at the California State Parks and Jack London State Historic Park Museum in Glen Ellen, CA., located in the beautiful Sonoma Valley of the Moon. This program includes a lecture by Jo Ann Stabb on the Charmian London Collection at the Sonoma Developmental Center, followed by lunch on your own and a visit to the House of Happy Walls, Jack London State Historic Park and Museum in Glen Ellen, CA which houses Charmian London's closets. Registration is limited to 40 people, so please reserve your spot early by sending in your registration form and a check well before the deadline of May 2. For those of you who might be interested in attending, the registration form can be downloaded here: http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/RegionV/event_workshop_sym.htm Best, Heather Heather Vaughan Fashion Historian Associate Editor/Book Reviews wornthrough.com Program Chair (July 1 2010-June 30 2012) Western Region Costume Society of America Website: www.fashionhistorian.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/fashionhistoria ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Where did the last 40 minutes go? Oops! That's going to join my favourites :-) On 03/05/2011 15:57, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Gosh that was fun! Thanks for the link! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 3, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Rachel Sohn wrote: Thinking of starting a Bad Hat Society... Kathleen You're too late: http://madhattery.royalroundup.com/ :) (Ok, not strictly *bad* hats) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
Costume Con 29 is over. And I won major awards with the Civil War era dress of Sarah Ballou, in a historical presentation we called The Letter. At some point I may be able to put up video ofi t, but I must say that we pretty much had everyone in the audience in tears (even the tech crew got weepy at our rehearsal, and that was without the costumes on). I want to thank everyone on the H-costume list for their knowledgeable answers to my many questions over the past 12 months, and I want to thank all the folks at the Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860's conference in March of 2011 as well, for a conference that really got me thinking and was very illuminating. My reserach that I wrote up as the documentation for the costume, will be published later this year in the Virtual Costumer: online costume magazine. I have an article in an issue from last year, about re-creating my great-grandmother's first day dress from about 1896. The magazine's older issues are open to the public, and the current issue is password-protected for about the first month. http://www.siwcostumers.org/vc_current-issue.html There will also be photos of that costume, and my Fantasy and SF Masquerade costume Mistress of All Hallows up on Costume Gallery. Thank you all again, and I really enjoy the discussions. Yours in costuming, Lisa a ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] the princesses' headgear
Well, I have to wonder if those hats were not a bit of a protest. Were they annoyed that their mum Fergie was not invited? hey, sis? you know everyone's supposed to dress really special? And everybody keeps their outfits a, like, total secret? yeah, so? Lets get REALLY SPECIAL hats! speculating wildly, Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
Congratulations on your win! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a novel set in Georgian England Third Place, Royal Ascot 2009 http://www.marjoriegilbert.net http://yearofeatingnaturally.blogspot.com/ http://marjoriegilbert.blogspot.com/ http://www.gilbertinfrared.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
On 3 May 2011 15:40, Lisa A Ashton lis...@juno.com wrote: Costume Con 29 is over. And I won major awards with the Civil War era dress of Sarah Ballou, in a historical presentation we called The Letter. At some point I may be able to put up video ofi t, but I must say that we pretty much had everyone in the audience in tears (even the tech crew got weepy at our rehearsal, and that was without the costumes on). You certainly had me in tears! Your presentation and your costumes were exquisite. Congratulations on your well-deserved win! --Kristin Stonham ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
Congrats, Lisa-- can hardly wait to see it. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Lisa A Ashton wrote: Costume Con 29 is over. And I won major awards with the Civil War era dress of Sarah Ballou, in a historical presentation we called The Letter. At some point I may be able to put up video ofi t, but I must say that we pretty much had everyone in the audience in tears (even the ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
