Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
So the new shoe fashion is kamikaze platforms? They are already tall why add the height? Definitely a carnival or Vegas feel. A lot of retro hair. What's with the white? Albania - simple, yet elegant. Angola - very theatrical. Argentina - ?? prom? Aruba, Bahamas, Brazil, Cayman Islands, St. Lucia, Trinidad Tobago, Turks Caicos, Uruguay - carnival. Australia - rendition of the Scarlet curtain gown but with granny's patchwork quilt or rag rug. Belgium - ?prom? or maybe a play on Belgium lace? Bolivia - definitely carnival and a good one. Botswana - looks like folkwear but the shovel is a bit much. British Virgin Islands - ribbon trade Canada - That is sooo wrong. Headdress is worn by the Assiniboine (women of the nation wear it if they are chief) The bodice is hard to tell what it is suppose to be but the tongue and teeth look like the bear (makes her look like she has a poochy tummy) The skirt is suppose to be a teepee. The crossed arms is a Hollywood stereotype. Even if she is of Indigenous decent the costume is still all around tacky. Chile - statement more then folkwear but nice creative design. China - good folkwear. Colombia - I've seen this from an old Hollywood movie. Nice design. Costa Rica - except for the platforms, really nice design. Croatia - What?? The hair says sock hop but the dress says be my valentine Curacao - carnival and not quite right. Cyprus - Nice modern take on the folkwear. Czech Republic - Beam me up Scotty? Denmark - The skirt looks crooked because of the way she is posed. They should have put more into it as it looks to much like a wedding dress for a themed wedding. To my understanding 1700s reenactments are popular in Denmark so I can see why the dress style. Dominican republic, Great Britain, Sweden, U.S. Virgin Islands, Ukraine - ?? Ecuador - Impressive. carnival style but natural tones. Egypt - Hollywood strikes again but I can think of worse Hollywood costumes to mimic. Should have gone for color instead of the white. El Salvador - I'm not sure what to say on this. Estonia - Off the rack. nice that she is wearing flats but it just doesn't make sense with the outfit. Finland - Evening dress. possibly association to long nights and winters? France - High School play of Marie Annetoinette? Come on folks, this is Miss Universe! There should be better quality then this even for a folk costume. Germany - Not a nice modern take of folkwear. Looks like something from Frederick's of Hollywood cataloged. Ghana - Nice but could pass for evening wear. Greece - lovely but with the do she looks like an actress from some of those old Italian movies. Guam - is cute. Guatemala - Very good take on folkwear. Guyana - carnivalish but looks to be a modern take on folkwear. Haiti - nice modern take on folkwear. Honduras - Looks like something from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. Hungary - Interesting modern take on folkwear. Though the hat makes it look like she has cat ears. :) Indonesia - traditional. Ireland - modern Celtic goddess look? Theatrical. My first thought was , cool use of cds. It's nice but like many of the costumes here, it leaves a person wondering what it represents. Israel - prom? Italy - with all their fashion sense they came up with this? Looks like lingerie. Really? they took the colors of their flag and made a red dress, added a green fan with white and a bit of white on the dress with pearls...REALLY? Jamaica, Venezuela, Puerto Rico - again, carnival. Japan - Japanese Anima(sp?) Kazakhstan - what is with the wedding dresses for folkwear? Nice modern take though. Georgia, Korea, Kosovo, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, New Zealand, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam - interesting and impressive modern take on folkwear. Mauritius - lace and feathers Mexico - rummage sale at the costume shop. Actually it is one of the better attempts at symbols to represent the country. Montenegro - looks like haute couture fashion. Netherlands - What were they thinking or looking at when they can up with this? At least they didn't go the Dutch route as that would have excluded other regions. Nicaragua - looks like someone just threw what ever was on hand together. You know that whoever designed it did not consider that Miss Dorn did not have the neck muscles for the headdress. Paraguay - a Vegas showgirl costume gone wrong, way wrong. I did not know that Paraguay had peacocks. Philippines - Looks like one can not make up their mind. Looks like they had two different costumes and they lost the lower have for the white lacey top and the upper piece to the gold skirt. Poland - has a folk feel to it but still looks like prom or bridal. Romania - Vampire Queen? Russia - modern bride? interesting modern take on folkwear. Serbia - really? Slovak Republic - Not a good take of folkwear. Slovenia - Emmy dress. South Africa - should have left off the black and pink stuff. Spain - haute couture or stylized flamenco dress. The
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
The hat I have seen in a museum, usually of woven grasses. She appears to be wearing traditional tribal attire. De -Original Message- Poor Miss Nigeria. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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First time I heard of them but their 2521 Edwardian gown looks just like a Big 3 costume pattern that showed up after the Titanic movie became a hit. I have the pattern somewhere. After looking more at the site, you seem to be right about the Hollywood inspired. The Masquerade Ball Gown looks like something from a Streisand movie. Red temptress gown is from Moulin Rouge. So far, Moulin Rouge, Titanic and possibly My Fair Lady. Not bad prices if you get patterns that don't require a degree. Even better if a novice can use them. De -Original Message- Does anyone know anything about historicalclothingpatterns.com? There's no information about the creator(s) of these patterns, no background, credentials, experience, or location. There's no mailing address or phone number, and the email says it's for sales queries only. They seem to be specializing in movie costume knock-offs. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
No, I think some of these ladies must earn extra money in the gentlemen's clubs where they are de rigeur. Either that or the designers all work for said clubs and forgot to swap out the footwear... I've only started to look at the images since my computer is running at glacial speed tonight and so its taken 45 minutes to get as far as Miss Curacao, and I was wondering if the costume designers could be charged with crimes against human decency I mean to produce Miss Curacao's atrocity, they must have OD'd on cocktails mixed with lots of Blue Curacao or something equally ghastly... and frankly as a Canadian, Miss Canada's is downright offensive, and must be doubly so to one of members of the First Nations. shudder Some of the others are just plain weird. I think I will leave it at that, others seem to be covering the details quite adequately. Oh, I managed to get a couple more pictures. The Czech Republic looks like a bizarre take-away box to me. LOL! Cheers, Danielle At 02:14 AM 9/13/2011, you wrote: So the new shoe fashion is kamikaze platforms? They are already tall why add the height? Definitely a carnival or Vegas feel. A lot of retro hair. What's with the white? Albania - simple, yet elegant. Angola - very theatrical. Argentina - ?? prom? Aruba, Bahamas, Brazil, Cayman Islands, St. Lucia, Trinidad Tobago, Turks Caicos, Uruguay - carnival. Australia - rendition of the Scarlet curtain gown but with granny's patchwork quilt or rag rug. Belgium - ?prom? or maybe a play on Belgium lace? Bolivia - definitely carnival and a good one. Botswana - looks like folkwear but the shovel is a bit much. British Virgin Islands - ribbon trade Canada - That is sooo wrong. Headdress is worn by the Assiniboine (women of the nation wear it if they are chief) The bodice is hard to tell what it is suppose to be but the tongue and teeth look like the bear (makes her look like she has a poochy tummy) The skirt is suppose to be a teepee. The crossed arms is a Hollywood stereotype. Even if she is of Indigenous decent the costume is still all around tacky. Chile - statement more then folkwear but nice creative design. China - good folkwear. Colombia - I've seen this from an old Hollywood movie. Nice design. Costa Rica - except for the platforms, really nice design. Croatia - What?? The hair says sock hop but the dress says be my valentine Curacao - carnival and not quite right. Cyprus - Nice modern take on the folkwear. Czech Republic - Beam me up Scotty? Denmark - The skirt looks crooked because of the way she is posed. They should have put more into it as it looks to much like a wedding dress for a themed wedding. To my understanding 1700s reenactments are popular in Denmark so I can see why the dress style. Dominican republic, Great Britain, Sweden, U.S. Virgin Islands, Ukraine - ?? Ecuador - Impressive. carnival style but natural tones. Egypt - Hollywood strikes again but I can think of worse Hollywood costumes to mimic. Should have gone for color instead of the white. El Salvador - I'm not sure what to say on this. Estonia - Off the rack. nice that she is wearing flats but it just doesn't make sense with the outfit. Finland - Evening dress. possibly association to long nights and winters? France - High School play of Marie Annetoinette? Come on folks, this is Miss Universe! There should be better quality then this even for a folk costume. Germany - Not a nice modern take of folkwear. Looks like something from Frederick's of Hollywood cataloged. Ghana - Nice but could pass for evening wear. Greece - lovely but with the do she looks like an actress from some of those old Italian movies. Guam - is cute. Guatemala - Very good take on folkwear. Guyana - carnivalish but looks to be a modern take on folkwear. Haiti - nice modern take on folkwear. Honduras - Looks like something from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. Hungary - Interesting modern take on folkwear. Though the hat makes it look like she has cat ears. :) Indonesia - traditional. Ireland - modern Celtic goddess look? Theatrical. My first thought was , cool use of cds. It's nice but like many of the costumes here, it leaves a person wondering what it represents. Israel - prom? Italy - with all their fashion sense they came up with this? Looks like lingerie. Really? they took the colors of their flag and made a red dress, added a green fan with white and a bit of white on the dress with pearls...REALLY? Jamaica, Venezuela, Puerto Rico - again, carnival. Japan - Japanese Anima(sp?) Kazakhstan - what is with the wedding dresses for folkwear? Nice modern take though. Georgia, Korea, Kosovo, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, New Zealand, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam - interesting and impressive modern take on folkwear. Mauritius - lace and feathers Mexico - rummage sale at the costume shop. Actually it is one of the better attempts at symbols to represent the country.
Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
I, too, though, am leery of ordering anything from a website that gives no indication of where they are. I think on-line retailers should take heed. Of course, mail order rules don't apply to on-line commerce, only to orders one snail mails. Not that on-line only retailers are deliberately trying to dodge, but what recourse does one have, really, if one sends money off into a void and doesn't get anything back? Ann Wass -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:40 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company? First time I heard of them but their 2521 Edwardian gown looks just like a ig 3 costume pattern that showed up after the Titanic movie became a hit. I ave the pattern somewhere. fter looking more at the site, you seem to be right about the Hollywood nspired. The Masquerade Ball Gown looks like something from a Streisand ovie. ed temptress gown is from Moulin Rouge. o far, Moulin Rouge, Titanic and possibly My Fair Lady. Not bad prices if ou get patterns that don't require a degree. Even better if a novice can se them. De -Original Message- oes anyone know anything about historicalclothingpatterns.com? There's no nformation about the creator(s) of these patterns, no background, redentials, experience, or location. There's no mailing address or phone umber, and the email says it's for sales queries only. They seem to be pecializing in movie costume knock-offs. Margo __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
-Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least ake it into the 16. De -Original Message- am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear ustoms. Any guesses __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
I was wondering why there was no Miss India? Wondered if they had enough sense to not send anyone to the competition, but I see that isn't the case. I liked Greece, too, and agree that Miss Egypt looked like Liz Taylor as Cleopatra. And someone commented on non-feather wings--well, Miss USA has them with a vengeance! A non-list friend of mine said enough with the Carnivale look and all the birds that gave their lives for those costumes. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least ake it into the 16. De -Original Message- am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear ustoms. Any guesses __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least ake it into the 16. De -Original Message- am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear ustoms. Any guesses __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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They've been around for awhile. I haven't bought from them, but my impression is that they are not shooting for reenactor quality reproductions or anything like that--more like sturdy Halloween or live-action rolyplaying costume. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Papal. If they dont take papal and none of the other safe guard are in place like a physical address , then no matter how cool it is i dont deal with them. But my papal account is great leverage. I have 2x had and issue with two different vendors i ordered from and both times just mentioning papal got it resolved to my satisfaction * Bambi Not that on-line only retailers are deliberately trying to dodge, but what recourse does one have, really, if one sends money off into a void and doesn't get anything back? Ann Wass -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:40 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company? First time I heard of them but their 2521 Edwardian gown looks just like a ig 3 costume pattern that showed up after the Titanic movie became a hit. I ave the pattern somewhere. fter looking more at the site, you seem to be right about the Hollywood nspired. The Masquerade Ball Gown looks like something from a Streisand ovie. ed temptress gown is from Moulin Rouge. o far, Moulin Rouge, ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 CDT Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com wrote: Papal. If they dont take papal and none of the other safe guard are in place like a physical address , then no matter how cool it is i dont deal with them. But my papal account is great leverage. I have 2x had and issue with two different vendors i ordered from and both times just mentioning papal got it resolved to my satisfaction * Bambi You and His Holiness must be on very good terms. :-D Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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A non-list friend of mine said enough with the Carnivale look and all the birds that gave their lives for those costumes. Most of the really outrageous feathers like peacock, ostrich and pheasant (see Miss Trinidad Tobago) are SHED and recovered, then washed/dyed and sold to the trade. The birds live and produce another crop every year. Many of the other feathers that are white or dyed are a by-product of the meat produced (turkey, mostly), but some pheasant, goose and chicken as well. The birds aren't killed for their feathers. Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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My question is, what should I do, in future, to finish the ends of the braid so that they do not unravel? This first construction used Elmer's glue (it was what was to hand) and that is obviously the wrong answer if one ever plans on washing the garment. Many thanks, Jen Jen, If I can't bury the end in a seam, or cover it with something, I've used Fabri-tac and another craft glue (I think it was the pink label 'Aileen's' glue) to seal the ends. I went for labels on glues in the t-shirt section of the hobby store that said they were washable :). So far they seem to be holding up. Hope that helps. Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Lol! My only email access is through my not so smart phone. It edits my spelling even if it has breasted not tosorry!!! -Original Message- Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:43:51 am To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com From: Land of Oz lando...@netins.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company? On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 CDT Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com wrote: Papal. If they dont take papal and none of the other safe guard are in place like a physical address , then no matter how cool it is i dont deal with them. But my papal account is great leverage. I have 2x had and issue with two different vendors i ordered from and both times just mentioning papal got it resolved to my satisfaction * Bambi You and His Holiness must be on very good terms. :-D Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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What the heck has Czeck Republic have over her shoulder--basket handles? it reminded me of a certain type of farm/peasant horse cart harness arrangement seen in that part of the world. this is the first image I found that illustrates it: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4348331290_015ba6f4f2.jpg Why on earth they'd want to symbolize horse harness on their candidate is beyond me. :) Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Looks like a piece of bend wood used for furniture. Do they do that there? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: lando...@netins.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes What the heck has Czeck Republic have over her shoulder--basket handles? it reminded me of a certain type of farm/peasant horse cart harness arrangement seen in that part of the world. this is the first image I found that illustrates it: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4348331290_015ba6f4f2.jpg Why on earth they'd want to symbolize horse harness on their candidate is beyond me. :) Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Miss Curacao is papagena (sp) from the magic flute :~) Maybe Great Britain is a river? Katy On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg gilshal...@comcast.net wrote: No, I think some of these ladies must earn extra money in the gentlemen's clubs where they are de rigeur. Either that or the designers all work for said clubs and forgot to swap out the footwear... I've only started to look at the images since my computer is running at glacial speed tonight and so its taken 45 minutes to get as far as Miss Curacao, and I was wondering if the costume designers could be charged with crimes against human decency I mean to produce Miss Curacao's atrocity, they must have OD'd on cocktails mixed with lots of Blue Curacao or something equally ghastly... and frankly as a Canadian, Miss Canada's is downright offensive, and must be doubly so to one of members of the First Nations. shudder Some of the others are just plain weird. I think I will leave it at that, others seem to be covering the details quite adequately. Oh, I managed to get a couple more pictures. The Czech Republic looks like a bizarre take-away box to me. LOL! Cheers, Danielle At 02:14 AM 9/13/2011, you wrote: So the new shoe fashion is kamikaze platforms? They are already tall why add the height? Definitely a carnival or Vegas feel. A lot of retro hair. What's with the white? Albania - simple, yet elegant. Angola - very theatrical. Argentina - ?? prom? Aruba, Bahamas, Brazil, Cayman Islands, St. Lucia, Trinidad Tobago, Turks Caicos, Uruguay - carnival. Australia - rendition of the Scarlet curtain gown but with granny's patchwork quilt or rag rug. Belgium - ?prom? or maybe a play on Belgium lace? Bolivia - definitely carnival and a good one. Botswana - looks like folkwear but the shovel is a bit much. British Virgin Islands - ribbon trade Canada - That is sooo wrong. Headdress is worn by the Assiniboine (women of the nation wear it if they are chief) The bodice is hard to tell what it is suppose to be but the tongue and teeth look like the bear (makes her look like she has a poochy tummy) The skirt is suppose to be a teepee. The crossed arms is a Hollywood stereotype. Even if she is of Indigenous decent the costume is still all around tacky. Chile - statement more then folkwear but nice creative design. China - good folkwear. Colombia - I've seen this from an old Hollywood movie. Nice design. Costa Rica - except for the platforms, really nice design. Croatia - What?? The hair says sock hop but the dress says be my valentine Curacao - carnival and not quite right. Cyprus - Nice modern take on the folkwear. Czech Republic - Beam me up Scotty? Denmark - The skirt looks crooked because of the way she is posed. They should have put more into it as it looks to much like a wedding dress for a themed wedding. To my understanding 1700s reenactments are popular in Denmark so I can see why the dress style. Dominican republic, Great Britain, Sweden, U.S. Virgin Islands, Ukraine - ?? Ecuador - Impressive. carnival style but natural tones. Egypt - Hollywood strikes again but I can think of worse Hollywood costumes to mimic. Should have gone for color instead of the white. El Salvador - I'm not sure what to say on this. Estonia - Off the rack. nice that she is wearing flats but it just doesn't make sense with the outfit. Finland - Evening dress. possibly association to long nights and winters? France - High School play of Marie Annetoinette? Come on folks, this is Miss Universe! There should be better quality then this even for a folk costume. Germany - Not a nice modern take of folkwear. Looks like something from Frederick's of Hollywood cataloged. Ghana - Nice but could pass for evening wear. Greece - lovely but with the do she looks like an actress from some of those old Italian movies. Guam - is cute. Guatemala - Very good take on folkwear. Guyana - carnivalish but looks to be a modern take on folkwear. Haiti - nice modern take on folkwear. Honduras - Looks like something from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. Hungary - Interesting modern take on folkwear. Though the hat makes it look like she has cat ears. :) Indonesia - traditional. Ireland - modern Celtic goddess look? Theatrical. My first thought was , cool use of cds. It's nice but like many of the costumes here, it leaves a person wondering what it represents. Israel - prom? Italy - with all their fashion sense they came up with this? Looks like lingerie. Really? they took the colors of their flag and made a red dress, added a green fan with white and a bit of white on the dress with pearls...REALLY? Jamaica, Venezuela, Puerto Rico - again, carnival. Japan - Japanese Anima(sp?) Kazakhstan - what is with the wedding dresses for folkwear? Nice modern take though. Georgia, Korea, Kosovo, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, New Zealand, Panama,
Re: [h-cost] a question about passementerie
My question is, what should I do, in future, to finish the ends of the braid so that they do not unravel? This first construction used Elmer's glue (it was what was to hand) and that is obviously the wrong answer if one ever plans on washing the garment. Ideally, find a way to bury them in a seam. What I often do is unweave the end and hide it under other parts of the garment, or poke a small hole in the fabric with an awl and bring it to the wrong end; of course that doesn't work for wide things you can't unweave. I've also used glue, but use something that's not water soluble (Elmer's glue is, that's your problem). Leather crafts glue has worked for me, though it tends to be stiff. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I was hoping that was the case--that most are shed naturally, or, as you say, by-products of the poultry industry. But that doesn't mean the costumes aren't excessive! Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Land of Oz lando...@netins.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 9:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes A non-list friend of mine said enough with the Carnivale look and all the birds that gave their lives for those costumes. Most of the really outrageous feathers like peacock, ostrich and pheasant see Miss Trinidad Tobago) are SHED and recovered, then washed/dyed and old to the trade. The birds live and produce another crop every year. Many of the other feathers that are white or dyed are a by-product of the eat produced (turkey, mostly), but some pheasant, goose and chicken as ell. The birds aren't killed for their feathers. Denise owa ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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But that doesn't mean the costumes aren't excessive! Ann Wass Isn't that the point? Would we all be discussing the picture galleries if they weren't excessive? Heck, would there even be picture galleries if that wasn't the case? ;-) Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Carnivale' Costumes WAS Miss Universe 2011
If anyone has watched HBO's series Treme season 2, it showed how they make the New Orleans' (NO) Mardi Gras Indians make the Carnivale' feathered costumes. It was a theme weaved through this season. One episode a reporter was interviewing the Chief about the construction of his regalia then they went to a museum of this type of costumes in NO. I wish I knew where the museum is located. It was the museum next to St. Louis Cathedral. Another thing for me to do in my Mardi Gras research. A lot of work goes into the construction of these types of costumes. They work on them year round. The NO costumes have a lot of hand beading. Last Mardi Gras I photographed the Zulu Parade in New Orleans. The majority of the court has these elaborate carnivale' feathered costumes. They are amazing. The women wear an evening gown with their feathers and the men wear suits and feathers. The Central South American countries that celebrate carnivale' are very proud of their costumes. These costumes have become known as their national costumes. Carnivale' is a huge tourist season for these countries and brings in a lot of money. Being on an international stage like Miss Universe is a perfect opportunity for them to advertise Carnivale' as their national costumes. Going to Rio Venice for Carnivale' are on my bucket list. BTW, an update on my Mobile Mardi Gras costume research...last month when I traveled to Florida for my shoulder surgery, we stopped in Mobile (Alabama) Local History Library and pulled more descriptions of the MG court robes. I pulled descriptions for 1950s 1980s robes. When my shoulder gets better, I will type them and add to my website, http://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/ The library's printer was down so we had to scan the articles. We just so happened to have brought our scanner with us. One article from the 1950s really caught my eye...during the 1930s the Mobile Jews created three societies to celebrate their own version of Mardi Gras that occurred one week after Mardi Gras. My husband was getting impatient scanning, so we didn't scan the article. On our way back home, we stopped by to scan the article...I couldn't find it. Something more to research. BUT I was talking with the Librarian, a group of five people joined in the conversation. They have been researching the history of Mardi Gras for 10 years, back to the French origin in the U.S. They offered to me to me many more places to research and they are going to obtain access for me. The group is not researching the costumes, but they know all the local robe designers and are willing to introduce me to them. YIPPEE! The next step in my research! I think I will be researching this till I die...every Coastal city/town celebrates Mardi Gras differently. I am already going there four times a year to research and photograph. LOL! I need a great sponsor! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
These are brilliant! Miss Belgium looks very... Belgian. A bit dull. Miss GB - no idea! JEan On 12/09/2011 20:54, Cin wrote: Check out the ridiculous national costumes from this year's Miss Universe pagent: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/62603630.html There are other websites with a small selection of pics, but this LJ entry has lots lots. Its possible that you'll need an LJ handle to see them all. If you'd rather had just a small set that's not on LJ, here's the Telegraph's gallery. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8749932/Miss-Universe-2011-national-costumes.html --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Carnivale' Costumes WAS Miss Universe 2011
every Coastal city/town elebrates Mardi Gras differently. Not only that--they have changed a great deal over time. Much of what you described from last year in Bilxoi Mobile was not, as far as I can tell, in existence back in the early 1980s when I lived on the Gulf Coast. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: penny1a penn...@costumegallery.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Carnivale' Costumes WAS Miss Universe 2011 If anyone has watched HBO's series Treme season 2, it showed how they make he New Orleans' (NO) Mardi Gras Indians make the Carnivale' feathered ostumes. It was a theme weaved through this season. One episode a eporter was interviewing the Chief about the construction of his regalia hen they went to a museum of this type of costumes in NO. I wish I knew here the museum is located. It was the museum next to St. Louis Cathedral. nother thing for me to do in my Mardi Gras research. A lot of work goes into the construction of these types of costumes. They ork on them year round. The NO costumes have a lot of hand beading. Last ardi Gras I photographed the Zulu Parade in New Orleans. The majority of he court has these elaborate carnivale' feathered costumes. They are mazing. The women wear an evening gown with their feathers and the men ear suits and feathers. The Central South American countries that celebrate carnivale' are very roud of their costumes. These costumes have become known as their national ostumes. Carnivale' is a huge tourist season for these countries and rings in a lot of money. Being on an international stage like Miss Universe s a perfect opportunity for them to advertise Carnivale' as their national ostumes. Going to Rio Venice for Carnivale' are on my bucket list. BTW, an update on my Mobile Mardi Gras costume research...last month when I raveled to Florida for my shoulder surgery, we stopped in Mobile (Alabama) ocal History Library and pulled more descriptions of the MG court robes. I ulled descriptions for 1950s 1980s robes. When my shoulder gets better, will type them and add to my website, ttp://www.costumegallery.com/MardiGras/2010/Mobile/Museum/ The library's printer was down so we had to scan the articles. We just so appened to have brought our scanner with us. One article from the 1950s eally caught my eye...during the 1930s the Mobile Jews created three ocieties to celebrate their own version of Mardi Gras that occurred one eek after Mardi Gras. My husband was getting impatient scanning, so we idn't scan the article. On our way back home, we stopped by to scan the rticle...I couldn't find it. Something more to research. BUT I was talking ith the Librarian, a group of five people joined in the conversation. They ave been researching the history of Mardi Gras for 10 years, back to the rench origin in the U.S. They offered to me to me many more places to esearch and they are going to obtain access for me. The group is not esearching the costumes, but they know all the local robe designers and are illing to introduce me to them. YIPPEE! The next step in my research! I think I will be researching this till I die...every Coastal city/town elebrates Mardi Gras differently. I am already going there four times a ear to research and photograph. LOL! I need a great sponsor! Penny Ladnier, owner he Costume Gallery Websites ww.costumegallery.com 5 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history aceBook: ttp://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 10, Issue 244
I was wondering why Miss Botswana is wearing a Maori Pupu? I believe genetically Maori are closer to Vietnam and Thailand than Africa - perhaps it is a tribute to Rugby (World Cup competition is currently in NZ). Miss Ireland looks like she was wearing recycled DVD's. This could be poking fun at the economic state in Ireland at present, and the fact that the same old styles get trotted out again and again - like a bad film. How many bird wings and carnival skirts? At least she was original, pity it wasn't flattering. I think they should re-name the section Wearable Art with a passing referrence to your homeland From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 10, Issue 244 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:30:50 -0600 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:53:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes I was wondering why there was no Miss India? Wondered if they had enough sense to not send anyone to the competition, but I see that isn't the case. I liked Greece, too, and agree that Miss Egypt looked like Liz Taylor as Cleopatra. And someone commented on non-feather wings--well, Miss USA has them with a vengeance! A non-list friend of mine said enough with the Carnivale look and all the birds that gave their lives for those costumes. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least ake it into the 16. De -Original Message- am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear ustoms. Any guesses __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least ake it into the 16. De -Original Message- am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear ustoms. Any guesses __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: ca...@thyrsus.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:57:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company? They've been around for awhile. I haven't bought from them, but my impression is that they are not shooting for reenactor quality reproductions or anything like that--more like sturdy Halloween or live-action rolyplaying costume. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company? Papal. If they dont take papal and none of the other safe guard are in place like a physical address , then no matter how cool it is i dont deal with them. But my papal account is great leverage. I have 2x had and issue with two different vendors i ordered from and both times just mentioning papal got it resolved to my satisfaction * Bambi Not that on-line only retailers are deliberately trying to dodge, but what recourse does one have, really, if one sends money off into a void and doesn't get anything
Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Lol! My only email access is through my not so smart phone. It edits my spelling even if it has breasted not tosorry!!! Okay, I really want to know what you told it that it auto corrected to breasted! Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Textile find at Roman fort in England
http://rogueclassicism.com/2011/08/19/rethinking-roman-textiles-and-fashion/ It's kind of lightweight, but has some interest. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Miss Universe costumes 2011
Miss Australia's costume on youtube. explains a wee bit. Something about the beach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjn2Nigs4V0feature=related De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 10, Issue 244
OMG! The Romanian costume is Dracula themed. The close up shows a skeletal hand with red nails on one of her shoulders and the other a bat. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe [TOP TEN] 2011 national costumes
OK, I taped it and am finally getting to taking a look... here you go, Penny: 10 Japan 9 Nigeria (red beads pointy hat!) 8 Bolivia (feather Carnivale) 7 Tanzania (spiky Xena armor) 6 Trinidad Tobago (all red feather Carnivale) 5 Curacao 4 Venezuela (!) 3 Thailand 2 Mexico (huh?!) 1 Panama (another feather, plus indigenous elements, the giant sphere with beige on the outside) chimene On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:45 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I was so disappointed me that the TV show only showed the top ten costumes. I missed it because I was also watching So You Think You Can Dance during commercials. So who wore the top ten costumes? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe [TOP TEN] 2011 national costumes
And Also... found these funny, catty comments: http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2011/09/miss-universe-2011-national-costumes.html be sure to look at Pt 2 also. On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Patricia Dunham wrote: OK, I taped it and am finally getting to taking a look... here you go, Penny: 10 Japan 9 Nigeria (red beads pointy hat!) 8 Bolivia (feather Carnivale) 7 Tanzania (spiky Xena armor) 6 Trinidad Tobago (all red feather Carnivale) 5 Curacao 4 Venezuela (!) 3 Thailand 2 Mexico (huh?!) 1 Panama (another feather, plus indigenous elements, the giant sphere with beige on the outside) chimene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Miss Universe Top Ten Evening Gowns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-cviXg7-UE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-cviXg7-UEfeature=related feature=related When are designers going to design something new? I remember when I was excited to see the new looks in these contests. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe [TOP TEN] 2011 national costumes
Thank you Patricia! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
