Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Sheridan Alder]

Now I feel like a total beeyotch - I have Rexford's book after drooling all 
over a university copy! (mopped it up with a tissue as fair as I was able) 
would recommend it to anyone and everyone.
 
Still - I'm sure that she's learned reams and realms in the ten for fifteen 
years since she worked on that collection and worked on her book. She might 
even be the first to admit it. I'm sure we can all think of a topic that we 
dived into and totally overturned our original perceptions after a few years 
research. give her mega-credit because her book is first-rate and she did heaps 
of research - and it's an enjoyable read. Makes the "angel in the house" and 
protective attitude towards American woman attitude much more understandable - 
from their perspective - almost enlightened.
 
At the same time it seems strange that she would choose to try to pin the term 
"sacque" on what seems to be usually described as a garden-variety shirt. But 
perhaps she was trying to make her mark - "Rexford describes these garments as 
a "sacque" yadda, yadda - sort of like that paper on shortgowns, versus 
bedgowns versus jackets, etc.
 
I will forgive her anything, short of international terrorism, for her book.
 
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa (or words to that effect.)
 
I love Nancy Rexford and her research.
 
Sheridan Alder

From: WorkroomButtons.com 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:51:30 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

Not only that, but the actual working space was...well, horrible.  Dirty, 
poorly lit, and very (very) crowded -- not quite attic space, but very close.  
It's slightly better now.  The ladies have since cleared out a tiny back room, 
tearing down filthy tattered 1840's wallpaper (and saving as much as they 
could) so they could scrub and paint.  It is now our "clean space" and even 
tinier because we just assembled shelving in there for our new storage boxes.

Everything else is still very crowded and precariously hung on leaning donated 
coat racks -- sacques and mens' shirts are still on wire hangers.

Nothing was done with the collection for 15 years after she cataloged as much 
as she could reach, and a lot of it was jammed into that tiny (filthy) room 
until very recently.

Have I ever posted a link?

www.townsendhistoricalsociety.org

...a little more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Homestead

...and we're on TV!

www.tv.com/shows/ghost-hunters/ghostly-evidence-1395703

A film crew showed up to record our "ghostly happenings" a few months ago.  Has 
anyone seen the this episode of "Ghost Hunters"?  Maybe... 150 years ago (?) a 
grieving mother, mourning the death of her daughter, hanged herself off the top 
of the staircase. We all grip onto that post when we climb upstairs (steps are 
very steep).  It's a sad story, and I hope that poor mother has found peace.

Dede


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, annbw...@aol.com  wrote:
Oh, my goodness, she is one of THE authorities. Of course, all of us costume 
historians have learned a great deal in the last 15 years and, as you point 
out, she was faced with an enormous task. She might very well have different 
readings on some of these things now herself.

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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[otsisto]

Your right it does, shoulder points and twin tail collar. Difference is the
whole gown is simple brocade, nothing fancy like the pintucking on the Yule
gown.
De

-Original Message-
And it looks like the same pattern.

-Original Message-
This isn't the Yule gown but the color is similar.

De

-Original Message-
How about this -
Good large picture, especially fabric and sleeve cuff -
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/Harry_Potter_7_wallpaper/Ha
rry_Potter7_mcgonagall

Best wishes
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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Lynn Downward]

Hi chimene,

I don't quite know how #3076 got involved in the link, but Simplicity 2529
is indeed the cape with the pointy bits on the shoulder that I wrote about.
If you hold your cursor over the shoulder area it will zoom in and you can
see the points. I don't eve know if there is a pattern 3076.

LynnD

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Patricia Dunham wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
>
> Unfortunately, the URL below (for pattern 3076) now re-directs to what you
> were probably referring to as the "dreadful costume cape", pattern 2529.  Do
> you have any idea where one might find even an image of the real 3076?
>
> thanks in any case,
> chimene
>
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:
>
> > I can't address most of your questions - I haven't seen the movie enough
> to
> > be able to fast-forward directly to that scene.
> >
> > However, I maybe can offer a suggestion to the fabulous sleeve caps.
> There
> > is a Simplicity pattern for a dreadful costume cape. Unfortunately it's
> out
> > of print. It's really close to what you want. But if you could get a copy
> of
> > it, I'm sure you could extend the points to the height you wanted. I
> wanted
> > to buy it on sale specifically to see how they did the sleeve cap.
> >
> > http://www.simplicity.com/p-3076-misses-men-teen-costumes.aspx
>
> > LynnD
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Patricia Dunham]

Hi Lynn, 

Unfortunately, the URL below (for pattern 3076) now re-directs to what you were 
probably referring to as the "dreadful costume cape", pattern 2529.  Do you 
have any idea where one might find even an image of the real 3076?

thanks in any case,
chimene

On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:

> I can't address most of your questions - I haven't seen the movie enough to
> be able to fast-forward directly to that scene.
> 
> However, I maybe can offer a suggestion to the fabulous sleeve caps. There
> is a Simplicity pattern for a dreadful costume cape. Unfortunately it's out
> of print. It's really close to what you want. But if you could get a copy of
> it, I'm sure you could extend the points to the height you wanted. I wanted
> to buy it on sale specifically to see how they did the sleeve cap.
> 
> http://www.simplicity.com/p-3076-misses-men-teen-costumes.aspx

> LynnD


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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Sharon Collier]

And it looks like the same pattern. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of otsisto
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:06 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

This isn't the Yule gown but the color is similar.

De

-Original Message-
How about this -
Good large picture, especially fabric and sleeve cuff -
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/Harry_Potter_7_wallpaper/Ha
rry_Potter7_mcgonagall

Best wishes
Viv


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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[otsisto]

This isn't the Yule gown but the color is similar.

De

-Original Message-
How about this -
Good large picture, especially fabric and sleeve cuff -
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/Harry_Potter_7_wallpaper/Ha
rry_Potter7_mcgonagall

Best wishes
Viv


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Re: [h-cost] Pockets...

[Cin]

Just one, late 16th brown velvet w/ gold & silver embroidery -
couched, I think. Textiles Museum, Madrid... cant think how it's said
in Spanish.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Carmen Beaudry  I believe one of the
Spanish museums has a
> couple dating from the early 16th cen.
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Re: [h-cost] Pockets...

[Carmen Beaudry]

There's pictures of them in "Mode e Firenze" (known around here as "the 
Elenor of Toledo book"), and I believe one of the Spanish museums has a 
couple dating from the early 16th cen.


Carmen

On 9/15/2011 12:41 PM, fastusminimus wrote:

Hi
When did the tie on pockets come into use? i know they are 18th 
century, but am drawing a blank on how early they  where worn. Or 
perhaps the question should be when did the pouch get replaced by the 
pair of pockets, worn under the 'dress'?

Thanks
Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Pockets...

[Cin]

Off the top of my head,  much earlier than the 18th c. See the
Alessandro Alliori frescoes in the Chiusa Sta Maria Nuova, Florence,
1570s and a second group in the 1590s. Another set of his frescos
showing a gal putting up her hair, in the PItti Palace, are c1588.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:41 PM, fastusminimus  wrote:
> Hi
> When did the tie on pockets come into use? i know they are 18th century, but
> am drawing a blank on how early they  where worn. Or perhaps the question
> should be when did the pouch get replaced by the pair of pockets, worn under
> the 'dress'?
> Thanks
> Carol
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[h-cost] Pockets...

[fastusminimus]

Hi
When did the tie on pockets come into use? i know they are 18th  
century, but am drawing a blank on how early they  where worn. Or  
perhaps the question should be when did the pouch get replaced by the  
pair of pockets, worn under the 'dress'?

Thanks
Carol
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Lavolta Press]

I don't remember what the date you gave is, but ready-to-wear clothing 
has been around a lot longer than most people think. See Claudia 
Kidwell'sSuiting Everyone: The Democratization of Clothing in America.


Fran
Lavolta Press
Books of historic clothing patterns
www.lavoltapress.com


On 9/15/2011 3:42 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote:

I looked her up (her name is on the transcript).  She appears to be very 
knowledgeable, but of course that's no guarantee of accuracy.  Also, she was 
faced literally with dozens of bulging plastic garbage bags and may have missed 
clues dues to the sheer enormity of her task.

We (two elderly ladies and me) have found things she missed, like factory marks 
and laundry stencils, that in my untrained opinion render her approximate date 
of those garments invalid.  But, again... considering the conditions under 
which she was working... it's not surprising that she may have missed the mark 
occasionally.

Am I allowed to use her name here?

Here's a book she wrote (on Amazon):

www.amazon.com/Womens-Shoes-America-1795-1930-Rexford/dp/0873386566

...and here is a brief professional synopsis:

www.partnersforabetterworld.org/directors.html (scroll to bottom)


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Sheridan Alder  wrote:
Excuse me if someone else has already thrown out this suggestion, but my 
impression is simple - the 1995 cataloguer just plain wasn't knowledgeable 
about historical clothing!
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[cw15147-hcos...@yahoo.com]

>"VCR" means "video cassette recorder". Perhaps the writer had seen
 some historic garments described on a video?

Well,
 I know THAT (I'm not that young). There was some context missing in the
 quote ("get on the VCR..." and what?) so it's possible that this was an
 acronym for something else. If she really did mean a video cassette 
recorder, then I want to know what she was telling the reader to go look
 at.



Claudine

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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Agnes Gawne]

I don't know about the rest of you but I find that since 1995 there is a
great deal more information readily available AND that I am constantly
learning more and more about the history of garments, the acquisition of
information is not static.   

Either scenario is possible here - the 1995 cataloguer (Rexford) may not
have known much OR she did know plenty but chose to use a word that we do
not generally (in the historic costume community) use to describe that style
garment.   My personal interpretation (without having seen any of these
garments) is that most of them sound like what I call a "Chemise" or
"Camisa" or in simple English "Shift"  with the exception of the ones
designed for protecting clothing while combing the hair which I would call a
"combing jacket" or "combing sacque".   

However we interpret it we are reminded of the constantly changing nature of
the English language, especially in scholarly settings. 

Agnes




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*   I looked her up (her name is on the transcript).? She appears to be
very knowledgeable, but of course that's no guarantee of accuracy.? Also,
she was faced literally with dozens of bulging plastic garbage bags and may
have missed clues dues to the sheer enormity of her task.
*   
*   We (two elderly ladies and me) have found things she missed, like
factory marks and laundry stencils, that in my untrained opinion render her
approximate date of those garments invalid.? But, again... considering the
conditions under which she was working... it's not surprising that she may
have missed the mark occasionally.
*   
*   Am I allowed to use her name here?
*   
*   Here's a book she wrote (on Amazon):
*   
*   www.amazon.com/Womens-Shoes-America-1795-1930-Rexford/dp/0873386566
*   
*   ...and here is a brief professional synopsis:
*   
*   www.partnersforabetterworld.org/directors.html (scroll to bottom)
*   
*   
*   --- On Thu, 9/15/11, Sheridan Alder  wrote:
*   Excuse me if someone else has already thrown out this suggestion,
but my impression is simple - the 1995 cataloguer just plain wasn't
knowledgeable about historical clothing!
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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Agnes Gawne]

I think the fokti example is done quite well, the only quibble I would have
is that the original fabric is clearly a densely textured fabric (someone
mentioned the original designer said it was like a snake's skin) and the
fabric used in the reproduction is not a textured fabric.  

This same problem often occurs when we make reproduction historical clothing
as many of the beautiful textured and patterned fabrics of the past are just
not available or are only available in upholstery weights.

Thanks for all the links to the various stills from the film. 

Agnes

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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

Thank you for the link!  It appears to be very close, although ours are all 
plain cotton (sheeting weight) and have no front closures (a few have ties at 
the neck, I think).  Straight pins, maybe?  We JUST started working on them, 
and I'll look for pin-holes.

Dede



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Here's a link to the Past Patterns Sacque and petticoat:

http://www.pastpatterns.com/808.html
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

No chance at all.  We're lucky we have an extension cord for the light 
fixture!  No heat or AC, so the work is seasonal lest we freeze/roast up there.

Dede


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Carmen Beaudry  wrote:
It looks and sounds like you need an off-site storage and workroom for 
the clothing collection.  Any chance of getting that?
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Carmen Beaudry]

She's not only very knowlegeble, but she's one of the authorities on 
both shoes and working class clothing in America.  I think she did the 
best she could with a monumental task.


It looks and sounds like you need an off-site storage and workroom for 
the clothing collection.  Any chance of getting that?


Carmen

On 9/15/2011 3:42 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote:

I looked her up (her name is on the transcript).  She appears to be very 
knowledgeable, but of course that's no guarantee of accuracy.  Also, she was 
faced literally with dozens of bulging plastic garbage bags and may have missed 
clues dues to the sheer enormity of her task.

We (two elderly ladies and me) have found things she missed, like factory marks 
and laundry stencils, that in my untrained opinion render her approximate date 
of those garments invalid.  But, again... considering the conditions under 
which she was working... it's not surprising that she may have missed the mark 
occasionally.

Am I allowed to use her name here?

Here's a book she wrote (on Amazon):

www.amazon.com/Womens-Shoes-America-1795-1930-Rexford/dp/0873386566

...and here is a brief professional synopsis:

www.partnersforabetterworld.org/directors.html (scroll to bottom)


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Sheridan Alder  wrote:
Excuse me if someone else has already thrown out this suggestion, but my 
impression is simple - the 1995 cataloguer just plain wasn't knowledgeable 
about historical clothing!
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

Hey, we're psychic!  *cue spooky music*

Apparently, our Board of Directors didn't think to suggest a donation, so of 
course... we got nuthin'.  And they left the front door open!  Hmph!

We don't get Syfy, but I found a preview link for Episode 714 ("Ghostly 
Evidence")...

http://video.syfy.com/shows/ghosthunters#shows/ghosthunters/promos_trailers_3/ghostly-evidence--next-episode--ghost-hunters/v1353267

Thanks for the heads up! :-)

Dede


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Hey! That episode of Ghost Hunters was on last night!. (Yeah, paranormal shows 
are a guilty pleasure of mine *blushes*) They caught what they interpreted as a 
full body apparition on the stairs. We now return you to your originaly 
scheduled costume discussion. KarenSeamstrix
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[penhal...@juno.com]

Hey! That episode of Ghost Hunters was on last night!. (Yeah, paranormal shows 
are a guilty pleasure of mine *blushes*) They caught what they interpreted as a 
full body apparition on the stairs. We now return you to your originaly 
scheduled costume discussion. KarenSeamstrix

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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT)

Not only that, but the actual working space was...well, horrible.� 
Dirty, poorly lit, and very (very) crowded -- not quite attic space, but very 
close.� It's slightly better now.� The ladies have since cleared 
out a tiny back room, tearing down filthy tattered 1840's wallpaper (and saving 
as much as they could) so they could scrub and paint.� It is now our 
"clean space" and even tinier because we just assembled shelving in there for 
our new storage boxes.

Everything else is still very crowded and precariously hung on leaning donated 
coat racks -- sacques and mens' shirts are still on wire hangers.

Nothing was done with the collection for 15 years after she cataloged as much 
as she could reach, and a lot of it was jammed into that tiny (filthy) room 
until very recently.

Have I ever posted a link?

www.townsendhistoricalsociety.org

...a little more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Homestead

...and we're on TV!

www.tv.com/shows/ghost-hunters/ghostly-evidence-1395703

A film crew showed up to record our "ghostly happenings" a few months 
ago.� Has anyone seen the this episode of "Ghost Hunters"?� 
Maybe... 150 years ago (?) a grieving mother, mourning the death of her 
daughter, hanged herself off the top of the staircase. We all grip onto that 
post when we climb upstairs (steps are very steep).� It's a sad story, 
and I hope that poor mother has found peace.

Dede


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Oh, my goodness, she is one of THE authorities. Of course, all of us costume 
historians have learned a great deal in the last 15 years and, as you point 
out, she was faced with an enormous task. She might very well have different 
readings on some of these things now herself.

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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[annbwass]

Be sure to let us see the result.

Ann Wass




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To: h-costume 
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:37 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble


Thanks so much to everyone who responded!  I never cease to be amazed
y the way colours show on computers, depending on how the image has
een manipulated, what the background in the shot looks like, etc.
The links are all wonderful; I think I'll be spending a lot of time on
hose sites.  :)  And the link to that out-of-print Hallowe'en cloak
attern?  Golden!  It looks exactly like the Professor's spiky
houlder treatments (I've seen that on some of her all-black costumes
s well) so we shall see if I'm able to translate the concept from
loak shoulder to sleeve cap.  :)  Should be fun!
All the assistance, shared thoughts and links, and help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks much,
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

Not only that, but the actual working space was...well, horrible.  Dirty, 
poorly lit, and very (very) crowded -- not quite attic space, but very close.  
It's slightly better now.  The ladies have since cleared out a tiny back room, 
tearing down filthy tattered 1840's wallpaper (and saving as much as they 
could) so they could scrub and paint.  It is now our "clean space" and even 
tinier because we just assembled shelving in there for our new storage boxes.

Everything else is still very crowded and precariously hung on leaning donated 
coat racks -- sacques and mens' shirts are still on wire hangers.

Nothing was done with the collection for 15 years after she cataloged as much 
as she could reach, and a lot of it was jammed into that tiny (filthy) room 
until very recently.

Have I ever posted a link?

www.townsendhistoricalsociety.org

...a little more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Homestead

...and we're on TV!

www.tv.com/shows/ghost-hunters/ghostly-evidence-1395703

A film crew showed up to record our "ghostly happenings" a few months ago.  Has 
anyone seen the this episode of "Ghost Hunters"?  Maybe... 150 years ago (?) a 
grieving mother, mourning the death of her daughter, hanged herself off the top 
of the staircase. We all grip onto that post when we climb upstairs (steps are 
very steep).  It's a sad story, and I hope that poor mother has found peace.

Dede


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, annbw...@aol.com  wrote:
Oh, my goodness, she is one of THE authorities. Of course, all of us costume 
historians have learned a great deal in the last 15 years and, as you point 
out, she was faced with an enormous task. She might very well have different 
readings on some of these things now herself.

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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Sharon Henderson]

Thanks so much to everyone who responded!  I never cease to be amazed
by the way colours show on computers, depending on how the image has
been manipulated, what the background in the shot looks like, etc.

The links are all wonderful; I think I'll be spending a lot of time on
those sites.  :)  And the link to that out-of-print Hallowe'en cloak
pattern?  Golden!  It looks exactly like the Professor's spiky
shoulder treatments (I've seen that on some of her all-black costumes
as well) so we shall see if I'm able to translate the concept from
cloak shoulder to sleeve cap.  :)  Should be fun!

All the assistance, shared thoughts and links, and help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks much,
Meli
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Katy Bishop]

Here's a link to the Past Patterns Sacque and petticoat:

http://www.pastpatterns.com/808.html

The Pattern has some good historical notes, I can't find my copy but
you could email Saundra for a copy.

Katy

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, WorkroomButtons.com
 wrote:
> Back at the Reed Homestead... we are moving on to the next pile -- stacks and 
> stacks of shirt-like garments with no closures (other than a few with ties at 
> the neck).
>
> We hired a woman in 1995 to start pulling clothing literally out of garbage 
> bags and start cataloging. (Sadly, we still have pieces from 1809 still in 
> garbage bags -- yes, the black plastic kind.)  She called these shirt-like 
> garments "sacques" and this is want she wrote about them...
>
> "...I would like someone after me to write the word "sacque" which is what 
> we're going to use for the generic term.  A sacque is a garment which hangs 
> from the shoulder down without interruption, without darts, without a waist 
> seam, so a man's sacque coat is one that was not cut in at the waist.  And 
> that seems to be a generic form for this style if garment, no matter how it's 
> being used, but as I said before and you got on the VCR I think, these can be 
> used as a working garment with a skirt, held in place with an apron.  They 
> can be used as a short nightgown for hot weather and when somebody is ill and 
> is using a bedpan.  They can be used over your dress when you're doing your 
> hair and that's probably about it.  Oh, yes, and the other thing is for 
> maternity, when it's an expandable top for when you're pregnant and obviously 
> can be used for nursing as well.  And nobody has as many as you have."
>
> We have attempted to locate information about this type of garment, but 
> clearly we're looking in the wrong places because we're coming up empty. We 
> can find "saques" certainly but they don't look like ours.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Dede O'Hair
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Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?

[Bambi TBNL]

It seemed kick back in randomly even though i do. This phone is agrevating in 
lots of ways and Im just writing til i can get something else on a deal i can 
afford. Sorry again  folks.
-Original Message-
Date: Thursday, September 15, 

why don't you just TURN OFF the autocorrect feature?

Denise

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Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?

[Land of Oz]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:16:25 CDT
 "Bambi TBNL"  wrote:

i have no idea! The word i thought i
asked for ...begged..id not produce
anything wired



why don't you just TURN OFF the autocorrect feature?

Denise

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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[annbwass]

Oh, my goodness, she is one of THE authorities. Of course, all of us costume 
historians have learned a great deal in the last 15 years and, as you point 
out, she was faced with an enormous task. She might very well have different 
readings on some of these things now herself.

Also, even extremely knowledgable costume historians likely know some periods 
better than others, and some types of objects better than others. I would never 
question what Nancy Rexford says about women's shoes in the US, for example, 
but I might about some other class/type of garment/time period.


Ann Wass





-Original Message-
From: WorkroomButtons.com 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 6:43 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)


I looked her up (her name is on the transcript).  She appears to be very 
nowledgeable, but of course that's no guarantee of accuracy.  Also, she was 
aced literally with dozens of bulging plastic garbage bags and may have missed 
lues dues to the sheer enormity of her task.
We (two elderly ladies and me) have found things she missed, like factory marks 
nd laundry stencils, that in my untrained opinion render her approximate date 
f those garments invalid.  But, again... considering the conditions under which 
he was working... it's not surprising that she may have missed the mark 
ccasionally.
Am I allowed to use her name here?
Here's a book she wrote (on Amazon):
www.amazon.com/Womens-Shoes-America-1795-1930-Rexford/dp/0873386566
...and here is a brief professional synopsis:
www.partnersforabetterworld.org/directors.html (scroll to bottom)

-- On Thu, 9/15/11, Sheridan Alder  wrote:
xcuse me if someone else has already thrown out this suggestion, but my 
mpression is simple - the 1995 cataloguer just plain wasn't knowledgeable about 
istorical clothing!
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Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?

[Bambi TBNL]

i have no idea! The word i thought i asked for ...begged..id not produce 
anything wired
-Original Message-
Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:09:51 pm
To: "Historical Costume" 
From: "Margo Anderson" 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?


On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Bambi TBNL wrote:

> Lol! My only email access is through my not so smart phone. It edits my 
> spelling even if it has breasted not tosorry!!!

Okay, I really want to know what you told it that it auto corrected to 
"breasted"!

Margo


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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Land of Oz]

IMO, the fotki (movie) picture is the closest to how the gown looks in the 
movie.  The wehartit is too blue/emerald and the wikia photo has been 
brightened to an extreme degree to show the texture of the fabric.


unless a person is dyeing their own fabric for this project, you are limited 
to what can be found to purchase, which is probably why the costume made on 
the fotki project is too emerald looking.


Denise
Iowa


On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:41:35 -0700
 Patricia Dunham  wrote:

very interesting the color
variation:  the fotki picture looks
relatively moss-green, while the
weheartit picture is very
emerald-jewel-tone.  It's the same
picture with two different
color-balances.  I prefer the
toned-down color, myself.

ALL the colors are differently
balanced:  the weheartit shot has
blue-er ice background and more
brilliant colors in the other
costumes, to go along with McG's
emerald; the fotki version shows more
muted colors in costumes and the ice
is more white-and-silver.

anybody know which color values are
closer to the film?

chimene


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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

I looked her up (her name is on the transcript).  She appears to be very 
knowledgeable, but of course that's no guarantee of accuracy.  Also, she was 
faced literally with dozens of bulging plastic garbage bags and may have missed 
clues dues to the sheer enormity of her task.

We (two elderly ladies and me) have found things she missed, like factory marks 
and laundry stencils, that in my untrained opinion render her approximate date 
of those garments invalid.  But, again... considering the conditions under 
which she was working... it's not surprising that she may have missed the mark 
occasionally.

Am I allowed to use her name here?

Here's a book she wrote (on Amazon):

www.amazon.com/Womens-Shoes-America-1795-1930-Rexford/dp/0873386566

...and here is a brief professional synopsis:

www.partnersforabetterworld.org/directors.html (scroll to bottom)


--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Sheridan Alder  wrote:
Excuse me if someone else has already thrown out this suggestion, but my 
impression is simple - the 1995 cataloguer just plain wasn't knowledgeable 
about historical clothing!
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Re: [h-cost] Movie Costume Question: McGonagall's Yule Ensemble

[Viv Watkins]

How about this -
Good large picture, especially fabric and sleeve cuff -
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/Harry_Potter_7_wallpaper/Harry_Potter7_mcgonagall

Best wishes
Viv 


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Re: [h-cost] split drawers

[Beteena Paradise]

Which is why I love the cage crinoline so much more than a regular crinoline. 
That doesn't happen. It folds nicely. :)  I bet they felt the same!

Teena



From: WorkroomButtons.com 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] split drawers

Ah... that makes perfect sense.  When she was not quite 12, my daughter 
was a jr. docent in a hoop skirt.  Let's just say sitting down, um... 
modestly was a challenge.  I had forgotten all about that experience!



Dede


--- On Wed, 9/14/11, Ann Catelli  wrote:

If you have a lampshade slightly loose on its harp, press down on one side.  
The other side goes Flying up.


The crinoline does the same thing, if not managed carefully.    

Even the most ladylike of persons might fall.
Drawers are definitely needed.
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Re: [h-cost] Need information on "sacque" garments (NOT the dress)

[Kate Bunting]

"VCR" means "video cassette recorder". Perhaps the writer had seen some 
historic garments described on a video?


I thought that women began to wear drawers in the Regency period (in its 
broadest sense), when bulky petticoats ceased to be worn for 20 years or so. Am 
I wrong?

Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century reenactor


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[h-cost] Lincoln Movie Extras Needed

[penny1a]

EVENT: Thursday TODAY: Stephen Speilberg is making a movie in the Richmond,
Virginia area about Abraham Lincoln. They are looking for specific types of
people for extras, so make sure to read the details...Darn I was going for
my long hair but they are looking for a couple of sizes smaller than me. 

http://www.reelfilmnews.com/?p=3628

Penny Ladnier, owner

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