[h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman
Does anyone know of researchers who are currently studying the history of pattern making? The only scholarly books I have on the subject are Kidwell's (1979) and Seligman's (1996), nothing more recent, and I don't know if anyone is doing similar research any more. thanks! Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman
I don't know if this counts, but a number of years ago, a fellow from (I think) a Missouri Opera company 'revived' a system used in the 19th century. The guy called it the Sartor system. I think he self published it. It isn't really a historical study, but it might be of interest. I think I have my 'facts' right - I am sure someone else will correct me if I am wrong. He also wrote the Annotated Arnold Trump, R. W. *The Annotated Arnold: A commentary on *Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620* by Janet Arnold*. Self-published. Sg On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM, mhprobe...@gmail.com mhprobe...@gmail.comwrote: Does anyone know of researchers who are currently studying the history of pattern making? The only scholarly books I have on the subject are Kidwell's (1979) and Seligman's (1996), nothing more recent, and I don't know if anyone is doing similar research any more. thanks! Melissa Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 1958 prom dress
Could anyone tell me what tyoe of decoration would be on a 1958 prom gown? I usually don't do this costume era and i'm not sure what would be acceptable. Also, would the under slip ever show on the bottom? One of the women wearing the dress would like the bottom(I believe its netting) to show. Thank you Lynn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman
If it comes to that, I revived four different 19th- and early 20th-century apportioning scale systems in my books Fashions of the Gilded Age (Heinrich Klemm's system), Bustle Fashions 1885-1887 and Directoire Revival Systems 1888-1889 (the first version of William Goldsberry's system), The Voice of Fashion (the second version of William Goldsberry's system), and The Edwardian Modiste (Jonathan Nelson's system). I also did research into early 19th-century pattern drafting for The Lady's Stratagem and described some techniques there. But, although I enjoy doing the research and have done more than I have published, there is not a lot of commercial value in it. Publishing patterns yes; the research per se, no. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress On 1/26/2012 2:36 PM, Wicked Frau wrote: I don't know if this counts, but a number of years ago, a fellow from (I think) a Missouri Opera company 'revived' a system used in the 19th century. The guy called it the Sartor system. I think he self published it. It isn't really a historical study, but it might be of interest. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman
Might this be of interest? Trautman, Patricia Anne. Title: Clothing America : a bibliography and location index of nineteenth-century American pattern drafting systems / / by Patricia A. Trautman. Publisher: Earleville, Md. : The Costume Society of America, Region II, c1987. Description: 113 p. ; 28 cm. Notes: Includes index. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman If it comes to that, I revived four different 19th- and early 0th-century apportioning scale systems in my books Fashions of the ilded Age (Heinrich Klemm's system), Bustle Fashions 1885-1887 and irectoire Revival Systems 1888-1889 (the first version of William oldsberry's system), The Voice of Fashion (the second version of illiam Goldsberry's system), and The Edwardian Modiste (Jonathan elson's system). I also did research into early 19th-century pattern rafting for The Lady's Stratagem and described some techniques there. But, although I enjoy doing the research and have done more than I have ublished, there is not a lot of commercial value in it. Publishing atterns yes; the research per se, no. Fran avolta Press ww.lavoltapress.com ww.facebook.com/LavoltaPress On 1/26/2012 2:36 PM, Wicked Frau wrote: I don't know if this counts, but a number of years ago, a fellow from (I think) a Missouri Opera company 'revived' a system used in the 19th century. The guy called it the Sartor system. I think he self published it. It isn't really a historical study, but it might be of interest. __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern drafting history, Kidwell, Seligman
I have it somewhere. As I recall, it is exactly what the title says: Information on where to find materials held in institutions on which to do your own research. I just use eBay, etc. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress On 1/26/2012 3:29 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Might this be of interest? Trautman, Patricia Anne. Title: Clothing America : a bibliography and location index of nineteenth-century American pattern drafting systems / / by Patricia A. Trautman. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress
Thru bottom would show only is it was either the same color as the rest of the gown ^i.e. Pale blue satin scaled skirt with a pale blue under skirt that mmaybe peaked out of the scallops and maybe but not always blue Tue rushing somewhere else like in a cassette ay the waist or shoulder. My cousins was like this only butter yellow and she graduated in 1958 -Original Message- Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:38:16 pm To: h-cost...@indra.com From: Lynn Roth lynnr...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress Could anyone tell me what tyoe of decoration would be on a 1958 prom gown? I usually don't do this costume era and i'm not sure what would be acceptable. Also, would the under slip ever show on the bottom? One of the women wearing the dress would like the bottom(I believe its netting) to show. Thank you Lynn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress
Strapless? Small spegetti cord, or self shoulder straps, gathered to about 2/3...'usually snapped on for ease of removal..for an option. Self fabric trim using bows, roses Other fabric flowers...one Elizabeth Taylor gown appliqued the whole bodice with daiseys (I think) Sprinkles of sequins , tiers of ruffles (tulle) or organza.. The tulle ruffle at th bottom would have been attached to the hem of the dress.Dipping prtticosts (in my crowd) would have been in poor taste (too long, rolled up and slipping.) Appliques of rattail in geometric shapes. American in Paris, Daddy Longlegs are two films that might give you some ideas. Kathleen M -Original Message- From: Lynn Roth lynnr...@sbcglobal.net Sent 1/26/2012 5:36:45 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1958 prom dressCould anyone tell me what tyoe of decoration would be on a 1958 prom gown? ? I usually don't do this costume era and i'm not sure what would be acceptable .? Also, would the under slip ever show on the bottom?? One of the women wea ring the dress would like the bottom(I believe its netting) to show.? Thank yo u Lynn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress
My 1958 prom dress was very simple. White floor length, netting over satin full skirt with a strapless top of satin with the netting in tiny vertical folds covering it. I hadn't thought of it in years. Margaret - Original Message - From: Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress Thru bottom would show only is it was either the same color as the rest of the gown ^i.e. Pale blue satin scaled skirt with a pale blue under skirt that mmaybe peaked out of the scallops and maybe but not always blue Tue rushing somewhere else like in a cassette ay the waist or shoulder. My cousins was like this only butter yellow and she graduated in 1958 -Original Message- Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:38:16 pm To: h-cost...@indra.com From: Lynn Roth lynnr...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress Could anyone tell me what tyoe of decoration would be on a 1958 prom gown? I usually don't do this costume era and i'm not sure what would be acceptable. Also, would the under slip ever show on the bottom? One of the women wearing the dress would like the bottom(I believe its netting) to show. Thank you Lynn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress
I remember 1958 blue as being almost a powder blue with lavender highlights when seen at an angle. Quite a lovely subtle color. And the fabric turned bright pink when ironed, and cooled to its original blue. ==Marjorie (who was too young to get to wear any of that!) On Jan 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Margaret Decker wrote: My 1958 prom dress was very simple. White floor length, netting over satin full skirt with a strapless top of satin with the netting in tiny vertical folds covering it. I hadn't thought of it in years. Margaret - Original Message - From: Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1958 prom dress Thru bottom would show only is it was either the same color as the rest of the gown ^i.e. Pale blue satin scaled skirt with a pale blue under skirt that mmaybe peaked out of the scallops and maybe but not always blue Tue rushing somewhere else like in a cassette ay the waist or shoulder. My cousins was like this only butter yellow and she graduated in 1958 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
