[h-cost] pockets (Fwd: Artssciences Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12)

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Please send your responses directly to Gia who requested this  information.  
Thank you.
Nancy 
 

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Subject: [SCA-AS] Pockets in  period
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I have been seeing  "pockets" for women on a lot of the recreationist sites.
Does anyone know  of any documentation for the use of these in Venice during
the 16th  century?

Gia


 
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[h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes?

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>From some curious folks, myself included.
Has anyone seen or tried these patterns?  How authentic  are they, etc.?
Thanks.
Nancy

On the  Norsefolk list, a gentleman posted to ask whether the "Viking and 
Saxon"  commercial costume patterns at  
http://www.caliverbooks.com/general/patterns.htm  were worth  buying.


Has anyone seen these patterns?  How accurate  historically are they? Was 
there any documentation and if so was it any  good?  Were they easy to use or 
not?  I'd like to solicit  feedback that I can take back to the Norsefolk  
list.


 
 
 
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[h-cost] "twice-turned dress"

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Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a  
"twice-turned dress."  This term is new to me.  Does anyone know what  it 
means?  Thanks.
 
Nancy  

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'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 

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[h-cost] "lace" (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 344)

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There's  a number of paintings of  
the Virgin from roughly that period from  eastern Europe that feature  
veils edged with some sort of decorative  edging depicted in gold that  
I could easily see someone describing  as "lace" for want of a better  
word.  The paintings are fairly  stylized and it's hard to tell  
whether the motifs are intended to  depict an actual decorative  
threadwork technique or what.  But  what it appears to be is an edging  
made either of gold thread or  gold in some other form that stands out  
from the edge of the veil in  open designs, often with little pendant   
bits. 


 
This could be needlelace, comparable to what we know today as "oya".
 
An aside: it would appear that the invention of bobbin lace in the 1500s  
caused the final demise of brocaded tablet weaving as a grament trim.
 
Nancy  

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"But  if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, 
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about 
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jobs, their  civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes 
we can break  through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies 
abroad, if  that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 
'Liberal'."  John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960

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[h-cost] Oseberg textiles book now available

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It's at the museum shop in Oslo and ready to be mailed out, folks!   Please 
pass this info to anyone who might be interested.
 
"Oseberg Textiles" by Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, 400  pages 
ISBN 82-8984-024-9
 
990 NOK (Norwegian kroner) + 100 NOK postage (Total, this is about $173  
USD.)  They do not take credit cards, so you need to either send cash or  
perhaps 
arrange for a bank transfer.  (I got the money at the  airport.)
 
The text is, alas, in Norwegian -- why, in the name of all that's holy,  they 
didn't do it in English is completely beyond me -- but there  are English 
summaries as well as captions in both Norwegian and  English.  
 
Here is who to contact to purchase this book.
 
Jorun Groenli Kruse
foerstesekretaer, museumsbutikken
Kulturhistoriske Museum, Universitetet i Oslo
Postboks 6762, St. Olavs Plass
N - 0130 Oslo
Norway
 
Jorun Kruse's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  and the URL for the  museum web page is 
_www.khm.uio.no_ 
(http://www.khm.uio.no) .  
 
Nancy  

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'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept  1960

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[h-cost] Re: [MR] [SCA-Card-Weaving] Oseberg textiles book now available

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That's  wonderful news! Do you know whether it *will* be offered on Oxbow or 
anywhere  like that?
 
That I do not know.  The book only arrived in the museum bookstore  this 
week.  Keep you fingers crossed that someone like Oxbow will  distribute it.  I 
wouldn't, however, hold my breath at this stage.



And might there be anybody on this list who would be willing to  translate 
some sections? Ideally consulting with the Museum to gain their  permission to 
release the translations?

 
I am planning on writing to both the authors AND the publisher as soon as I  
have the book in-hand to ask about the possibility of an English  translation. 
 That is almost unbelievable that, after waiting 112 years  since the 
textiles were first discovered, they would so severely limit the  number of 
people 
who will be able to easily access this information.  
 
Nancy  

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we can break through the stalemate and  suspicions that grip us in our policies 
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'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept  1960

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[h-cost] Fwd: [Norsefolk_2] Oseberg book out

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My apologies.  Apparently I've just committed both a copyright and  ethics 
violation by forwarding the message below without asking for  permission.  I 
can 
only beg indulgence based on my excitement.  
 
Nancy
 

 
I've  looked at the book today ;
"Oseberg Textiles" 
Arne Emil Christensen  and Margareta Nockert, 
ISBN 82-8984-024-9

There are lots of  illustrations and photoes with english captions and 
a fairly extensive  english summary. Probably not extensive enough for 
the true textile buff  though.
:-)

Main topics ; 
Tapestries, silk fragments, some  embroidery and other textile 
fragments. Good closeups of the textile  fragments showing the weave 
and pattern clearly. The size is easy to  figure out due to a ruler 
next to the fragments. Lots of drawings,  photoes and more of the silk 
fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't  seen before. A glaring lack 
of photoes and illustrations of the seams on  the fragments containing 
such though. Mind you I just skimmed the  book.

Less usefull than Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even  the 
Högom book(migration era) but definetly a book to buy or at least  
borrow and partially scan(illustrations and photoes) and  
copy(summaries). For english speakers NOT too nutty in general about  
textiles, the last option might be best. For the rest out  there.
you might as well get it since you've already bought way more  books 
than you need anyway.
:-D


 

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I've looked at the book today ;
"Oseberg Textiles"  
Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, 
ISBN  82-8984-024-9

There are lots of illustrations and photoes with english  captions and 
a fairly extensive english summary. Probably not extensive  enough for 
the true textile buff though.
:-)

Main topics ;  
Tapestries, silk fragments, some embroidery and other textile  
fragments. Good closeups of the textile fragments showing the weave  
and pattern clearly. The size is easy to figure out due to a ruler  
next to the fragments. Lots of drawings, photoes and more of the silk  
fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't seen before. A glaring lack  
of photoes and illustrations of the seams on the fragments containing  
such though. Mind you I just skimmed the book.

Less usefull than  Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even the 
Högom book(migration  era) but definetly a book to buy or at least 
borrow and partially  scan(illustrations and photoes) and 
copy(summaries). For english speakers  NOT too nutty in general about 
textiles, the last option might be best.  For the rest out there.
you might as well get it since you've already  bought way more books 
than you need anyway.
:-D

The museum  doesn't have a webbased shop, meaning you have to transfer 
money. Which  can get a bit expensive. One option is to try to get your 
local bookstore  to order it, your local museum bookshop or try the uni 
bookshop here in  Oslo.

The price ;
990 NOK (Norwegian kroner) + 100 NOK  postage

Contact museum bookshop;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or try  to ask the uni bookshop if they can get the book for you, they 
have a  netbased shop and should accept Visa at  least;
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[h-cost] Fwd: [Norsefolk_2] Oseberg book out

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I've  looked at the book today ;
"Oseberg Textiles" 
Arne Emil Christensen and  Margareta Nockert, 
ISBN 82-8984-024-9

There are lots of  illustrations and photoes with english captions and 
a fairly extensive  english summary. Probably not extensive enough for 
the true textile buff  though.
:-)

Main topics ; 
Tapestries, silk fragments, some  embroidery and other textile 
fragments. Good closeups of the textile  fragments showing the weave 
and pattern clearly. The size is easy to  figure out due to a ruler 
next to the fragments. Lots of drawings, photoes  and more of the silk 
fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't seen before.  A glaring lack 
of photoes and illustrations of the seams on the fragments  containing 
such though. Mind you I just skimmed the book.

Less  usefull than Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even the 
Högom  book(migration era) but definetly a book to buy or at least 
borrow and  partially scan(illustrations and photoes) and 
copy(summaries). For english  speakers NOT too nutty in general about 
textiles, the last option might be  best. For the rest out there.
you might as well get it since you've  already bought way more books 
than you need  anyway.
:-D


 
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[h-cost] Fwd: Fw: new Viking Clothing book

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Announcing 
Viking Clothing 
Thor Ewing 
£17.99 Tempus Publishing Ltd 2006 
ISBN 0-7524-3587-6 
Contrary to popular myth the Vikings had a reputation for  neatness and their 
fashions were copied far beyond the realms of  Scandinavia.  Those who could  
afford to displayed a love of fine clothes made from silks, from lightweight  
worsteds in subtly woven twills, and from the finest of linens. They wore  
short hair and their beards were carefully trimmed.  



This accessible new  book is the first to tackle the question of what the 
Vikings wore, drawing on  evidence from art and archaeology, literature and 
linguistics to arrive at a  fresh understanding of the nature of Viking 
clothing, 
covering rich and poor,  men and women across Scandinavia. It includes an 
overview of Viking textiles  and dyeing, and an exploration of cloth production 
and 
clothing in the context  of Viking society as a whole, as well as a detailed 
consideration of both male  and female outfits and a new interpretation of the 
suspended dress.  It also brings  new evidence to bear, suggesting that the 
Germanic and Viking pit house  was primarily designed for textile production. 

Writer and  translator Thor Ewing graduated from Durham University in 1989, 
where he  studied Medieval Literature. He has published books and academic 
articles on  early medieval culture, and is currently completing a book on 
Viking 
and  Germanic religion for Tempus. 
Website: _www.historicalarts.co.uk/books/vikingclothing.html_ 
(http://www.historicalarts.co.uk/books/vikingclothing.html)  
email the author:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  
Thor does not  currently have a Paypal account, so US buyers are advised to 
try Amazon (it's  on Amazon UK) or direct from Tempus (website: 
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[h-cost] "Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD"

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Pritchard, Frances.  "Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First  
Millenium AD". Manchester: Whitworth Art Gallery, 2006.  25 pounds + 14  pounds 
shipping to the US
 
Just received my copy of this book from The Whitworth Art Gallery at the  
University of Manchester in England.  Wow.
 
It is an oversized (9.5" x 12") book with 154 pages of photographs, all in  
brilliant color.  The pictures of the sprang alone were, to me, worth the  
cost.  
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] "Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD"

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To order a copy of this book, you need to contact The Whitworth Art Gallery  
at the University of Manchester, directly.  You will also need to send them  
actual money in pounds sterling or arrange with them some other form of payment 
 as, apparently, they do not take credit cards.  I sent 40 pounds (the total  
is 39 pounds) which reached them safely, although they did kvetch a bit about 
 having to return one pound with the book.  I had forgotten to tell them to  
"keep the change".
 
Nancy  

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someone who welcomes new ideas without  rigid reactions, someone who cares 
about 
the welfare of the people -- their  health, their housing, their schools, their 
jobs, their civil rights, and their  civil liberties -- someone who believes 
we can break through the stalemate and  suspicions that grip us in our policies 
abroad, if that is what they mean by  'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 
'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept  1960

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[h-cost] Irish cloak

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A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer --
 
Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors?
 
Thanks.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] Re: NESAT IX

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This IS available from Oxbow/David Brown.  This will be easier than  getting 
it from the Swiss bookstore.
 
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[h-cost] NESAT IX

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NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store.  (NESAT stands for  North 
European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.)
 
_www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ 
(http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677)  
 
When you check out, do NOT put in a password.  To them, that means you  will 
be accessing a band account.
 
For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika".
 
I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or  
Oxbow/David Brown in the near future.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 18

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Actually, I didn't think DBBC's price was much of a mark-up on the Swiss  
euro's price of 53, what with the lovely exchange rate we are "enjoying" at the 
 
moment.  And shipping of $5 from CT sure beat 16 euros from  Switzerland!
 
As for NESAT in Copenhagen in May, alas, no.  If anyone on the list  does go, 
I know we would love to have a report, thanks.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 57

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that  Valkyria figure next to the photo 
with the shawl


 
Those little Valkyrie figures date from the Migration period and should not  
be used to extrapolate Viking garb.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] Fwd: technique used?

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I saw this painting at the National Gallery of Art today and was  intrigued 
by the ridging on the under dress with it's parallel, wavy  lines.  Was this 
done by stitching, and if so, how?
 
_A  Young Woman and Her Little Boy - Image_ 
(http://www.nga.gov/fcgi-bin/timage_f?object=1143&image=2109&c=gg21)  
 
Thanks.  Just a fascinating painting, textile-wise.
 
Nancy  

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'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14  September 1960




 



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[h-cost] technique used? (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 305)

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I have received several different responses to how those wavy lines were  
done on the under chemise:  finely-stitched pleats/tucks and goffering with  a 
special goffer iron.  I've also been told by one person that the  reason the 
flat parts between the wavy lines are flat and not pulled out of  shape by the 
waves is that the flat parts are separate pieces of fabric that are  sewn to 
the 
sections that have been "lined", as it were.  
 
I am now somewhat confused as to how, exactly, this was done.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] "Mostra dei Costumi delle Armi e Degli Ornamenti del Palio"

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Does anyone have any information, background or technical, on this 1993  
exhibit of costume held in Legnano, Italy?  
 
Looking at the pictures, I can not think that they were trying to recreate  
extant or known-from-MSS garb as the sources for the designs are taken from a  
variety of Byzantine, Anglo-Saxon, southern Italian (and did I actually see 
some  Celtic knotwork?!) sources placed on a ground of basic Norman garb.  I am 
 
knee-deep in research on this time and place, and nothing, except Roger's  
mantle, of course, leaps out and says "I'm attempting to be the real  thing."
 
_Odisseus /  Ulysses Gallery_ 
(http://ranaan.altervista.org/html/SCA-Gallery.htm)  
 
(The pictures on this page are taken, without attribution, from the  
exhibition catalogue.)
 
I would very much like to know the purpose behind this exhibition as the  
question comes up frequently enough about the use of these costumes as  
documentation.
 
Nancy
 
 
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[h-cost] 14th-century woman's outfit

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I am looking for somewhere or someone from whom I can order or commission a  
basic 14th-century woman's outfit: the tight-sleeved white underdress, the  
overdress with pointed, dangly sleeves (starting at the elbow, not the wrist)  
and slit up the sides to the waist.  I can find professional costumers  
on-line, but everything they make seems to be rayon or polyester.  I would  
like 
linen.  Thank you for any suggestions.
 
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[h-cost] sources for heavy-weight 100% linen

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Any recommendations for sources for heavy-weight 100% linen fabric?   JoAnn's 
has some really nice ones (good colors, even!) for $10.49 a yard, and  I'm 
wondering if I could get it cheaper elsewhere.  Thanks.
 
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[h-cost] looking for on-line article

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I am trying to locate the following article on-line which seems to have  
disappeared.  
 
"Costume in al-Maghrib (the Muslim West) in the Medieval and Renaissance  
Periods".
 
Thanks for any pointers.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] [Fwd: Conference Call for Paper: Underpinnings: The Evolution...

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Underwear from the Middle Ages through Early Modernity
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/This is a call for papers for an  Undergraduate Conference concerning 
the evolution of undergarments from  500-1750. Please circulate this call 
for papers on your student listservs  as well as those reserved for 
faculty and graduate students//. We  apologize for any duplicate requests./

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Undergraduate Conference Saturday, April 24,  2010

*Underpinnings: *

*The Evolution of Underwear from the  Middle Ages through Early Modernity*

/ /

/A conference organized  by the undergraduate students of the Center for 
Medieval and Renaissance  Studies at Binghamton University (Binghamton, 
NY) in conjunction with  Troubadours and Trebuchets, The Medieval Studies 
Club/

>From the  trailing sleeves and towering headdresses of the High Middle 
Ages to the  ornate, jewel-encrusted ensembles of Elizabethan England and 
the elaborate  turbans of the Mamluk and Ottoman empires, clothing and 
headgear have  captured the imagination of historians for decades. Few, 
however, have  given thought to what lies beneath, which, even while 
having a functional  role, comprises a system of sartorial signs that 
tell much with respect to  social mores and shifting views of the body. 
This conference aims to  explore the evolution of undergarments from the 
Middle Ages through the  early modern era in a variety of contexts, from 
the material forms of the  garments themselves to their symbolic 
associations and latent meaning.  Geographic and temporal reach: global, 
500-1750.

Possible topics of  discussion include:

- Differences and similarities in men’s and women’s  undergarments 
according to class, social status, age, and distinctions  between the 
laity and religious

- Changing notions of modesty,  comfort, and hygiene and their effects on 
the under-covering of  bodies

- The materiality of undergarments

- The decorative range  of undergarments, from the utilitarian to the 
elaborate, including the use  of lace and embroidery

- Underwear as outerwear (the exposure of  undergarments through sleeves, 
necklines, and cutaway skirts; the display  of underwear in private 
spaces; the role of underwear in the public  stripping of the body)

- Shaping the body: the use of undergarments to  achieve desired silhouettes

- The effects of sumptuary laws on  undergarments

- The rise of certain industries related to the  production of 
undergarments, including the whaling trade in relation to  the rise of 
the whalebone corset

- The erotics of  underwear

- The myths and realities of the chastity belt

- The  representation of underwear in painting, poetry, and song

Proposals for  individual papers (20 minutes maximum) should be no more 
than 500 words in  length and may be sent by email, with a current CV if 
graduate level and a  resume if undergraduate, to hall...@binghamton.edu  
 (Re: Undergarment Conference). Those  
wishing to submit hard copies of the proposal and CV should forward them  
to: CEMERS (ATTN: Undergarment Conference), Binghamton University, P.O.  
Box 6000, Binghamton, NY 13902-6000. We also welcome proposals for  
integrated panels. Panel organizers should describe the theme of the  
panel and send abstracts with names and affiliations of all participants  
along with current CVs. A panel should consist of no more than three  
papers, each twenty minutes in length. Deadline for submissions is  
December 5^th , 2009.

//Barbara Dahulich  Knighton//

//Secretary, Center for//

//Medieval &  Renaissance Studies//

//Binghamton  University//

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//phone 607-777-2730//

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[h-cost] exhibition: "On a Pedestal: From Renaissance Chopines to Baroqe Heels"

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Thought this exhibition would be of  interest.

http://www.batashoemuseum.ca/exhibitions/on_a_pedestal/index.shtml
runs  to September 20, 2010
>From the museum's website: The exhibition explores  two of the most 
extreme forms of footwear ever worn in Western fashion,  the 
outrageous platform chopine and its eventual replacement, the high  
heel. On a Pedestal offers visitors a once in a lifetime opportunity  
to see exceptionally rare examples of Renaissance and Baroque 
footwear  on loan from numerous renowned International museums 
including: Victoria  and Albert Museum, London; Museo Bardini, 
Florence; Castello Sforzesco,  Milan; Livrustkammaren and Skoklosters 
Slott, both Stockholm; Museo  Palazzo Mocenigo and Museo Correr, both 
Venice; Ambras Castle, Austria;  Boston Museum of Fine Art, Boston and 
Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto as  well as shoes from the Bata Shoe 
Museum's own collection.

Catalog  of exhibition:
Semmelhack, Elizabeth. On a Pedestal: From Renaissance  Chopines to 
Baroque Heels. Toronto: Bata Shoe Museum, 2009.  26cm.,  pbk., 115pp., 
77 color illus. ISBN: 9780921638209 0921638205 OCLC:  445231795
Catalogue of an exhibition held at the Bata Shoe Museum, Toronto,  
Ont., Nov. 18, 2009-Sept. 10, 2010.

>From the museum  shop:
http://www.batashoemuseum.ca/museum_shop/index.shtml
Written by  Bata Shoe Museum Senior Curator Elizabeth Semmelhack, this 
fascinating and  beautiful book explores the social history of 
elevating  footwear.
#1606, $30.00 (substantially more elsewhere) 
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[h-cost] Danish textiles (Fwd: [MEDTC-DISCUSS] Digest Number 159)

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You'll need to brush up on your Danish, but good stuff none the less.
Nancy/Ingvild
 
 
  

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Thanks to Camilla Luise Dahl for providing the English  summaries.

Current issue of a Danish dress journal 
Dragtjournalen,  an e-zine published by Dragtpuljen and www.dragt.dk.

Dragtjournalen -  Vol. 3 #4 - 2009 (PDF - 2.5  mb)
http://www.dragt.dk/dragt-journal/dragtjournalen.html

Østergård,  Else. "Glimt fra hørrens 1000-årige 
historie – set ud fra arkæologiske og  recente fund Bilag" pp. 3-18.
(Linen textiles in 1000 years, about  
archaeological finds and preserved linen textiles 
in Danish museums,  short history of linen and 
it's first appearance in Denmark centuries  later, 
some of the oldest fragments of  woven linen in 
Denmark  dates to the 6-7th century (Fig. 1), the 
article also describe the few  linen textiles 
found in Greenland, found in the excavated 
farmhouses  of the Northern settlers, the 
fragments are dating from 982-15th century.  Among 
the latest textiles, Østergård explores the fine 
linen textiles  from the tomb of the Earl of 
Bothwell, who died in Denmark in  1578)

Rosendahl, Linda. "Kläder och textil i 
räkenskapsböcker från  1400-tallet – Två 
senmedeltida godsherrars utbetalningar av löner 
samt  inköp av tyg och färdiga persedlar" pp. 19-39.
(Cloth and clothing  mentioned in the account 
books of two wealthy noblemen from the 15th  
century, one Danish and one Swedish, the article 
looks into the  different types of cloth and 
clothing used by the landlords themselves and  the 
clothing and cloth given to servants in the household)

Short  articles:
Drews, Bjarne. "Om at rekonstruere dragter til museer", pp.  40-45.
(about reconstructing/constructing historical 
dresses for museum  use, the making of an 18th 
century gown for Selsø¸ Herregård  Museum)

Dahl, Camilla Luise. "Med klimt og klang - om 
klokker i  klædedragten". pp. 46-51.
(Explores the use of bells and similar in  
medieval dress, written accounts such as the 
accounts of Kalmar Union  queen Margaret I (d. 
1412) mentions belts with bells, the queen's belt  
of 20 pieces with 52 bells in chains is far from 
the more modest belt  with just 5 bells seen on her tomb)

Dahl, Camilla Luise & Jones,  Dorothy. 'Da “både” var på mode'. pp. 52-58.
(about a type of female  headwear known as "boat" 
that became the height of fashion in second half  of the 17th century)

Mathiassen, Tove Engelhardt. "Adeline  
Genée-Isitts brudekjole i Den Gamle By". pp. 59-62.
(The wedding dress  of ballet dancer Adeline 
Genée-Isitt born Annine Jensen, wife of the duke  
of Newcastle, dated 1910. The wedding dress is 
now at the Den Gamle By  in Århus Museum in Denmark)

Varia:
Dahl, Camilla  Luise.
"Løsøret efter Karenn Tomaßdaathers 
Skriffuers,  Vordingborg, 25. okt. 1638". pp. 63-67.
"Skiftet efter  Amtmandinde Mette Margrethe 
Westh, f. Sonne. Rønne, 1. Dec. 1774". pp.  68-72.
"Skiftet efter Kammerjunker Hans Ahrenfeld, Kbh. 22.  maj 1702". pp. 73-75.
(Transcript of the probate records of Karen  
Skrivers 1638, Mette Westh 1774 and Hans Ahrenfeld 1702.)  



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[h-cost] "Covering the Moon"

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Does anyone have a copy of this book and/or have read it?  I would be  
interested in your thoughts.
 
Vogelsang-Eastwood, Gillian and Willem Vogelsang.  "Covering the Moon:  An 
Introduction to Middle Eastern Face Veils".  Peeters Publishers,  2008  ISBN 
9789042919907
 
Thank you.
 
Nancy  

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[h-cost] Fwd: [MEDTC-DISCUSS] Digest Number 196

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I don't know how many of you know this elist -- Medieval Textile Discussion 
 -- but Beth Matney does a wonderful job of keeping us all up-to-date on 
new  books, exhibitions, etc. that deal with the SCA time period.  She is Very 
 Hard on the wallet, in a delightful way, of course.  Just see the latest  
book she's posted below.
 
The group is a Yahoo one, so you can easily join and then go back to the  
archives and see all the other tempting postings.
 
Nancy / Ingvild
 
 
  

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1. Silk Gold Crimson : Secrets and Technology at the  Visconti
From: Beth and Bob  Matney


Messages

1.  Silk Gold Crimson : Secrets and Technology at the Visconti
Posted by: "Beth and Bob Matney" bmat...@windstream.net bmatney2000
Date: Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:18 pm ((PDT))

>From Beth Matney:

I  have mentioned this in earlier posts. Wish that I could have caught 
the  exhibition!

Buss, Chiara (ed). Silk Gold Crimson : Secrets and  Technology at the 
Visconti and Sforza Courts. Milano: Silvana, 2009.  28cm., paperback, 
190pp., 62 color plates. English text.  ISBN:  9788836614929

Wonderful book. Includes details on loom widths, selveges  and thread 
counts, relative values of colors & dyes, types of gild  
thread,ornamental sequins & embroidery, even two woven belts and  hardware.

Great article on weaving regulations in Venice. Even had a  caftan 
from Valachia (Romania)!

I obtained my copy from The Saint  Bookstore in the UK via  ABE for $ 
36.48 and it arrived in 2 weeks.  

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[h-cost] question about black line thread

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Can anyone please explain the process that might be happening here?   This 
is mentioned about linen thread being processed into cloth in medieval  
Egypt.
 
On receiving the threads, the weaver had first to use a pumice  stone to 
clear off their blackish crust ...
 
One person has suggested that the thread might have been treated with ashes 
 which would have contained lye and was, I am assuming, part of the process 
of  doing something to the threads.  I would be further intrigued to learn  
about whether this blackening occurred before the flax was spun into thread 
or  after the thread was spun.
 
Intriguing question, I think.
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
Nancy
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Re: [h-cost] [HNW] question about black line thread

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On  receiving the threads, the weaver had first to use a pumice stone to 
clear off  their blackish crust ...

where was this mentioned  btw?

 
Context is as much as I gave you.  The author, Anna Contadini, in her  
"Fatimid Art at the Victoria and Albert Museum (1998), is talking about the  
processing of flax.  What she talks about before this statement about  removing 
the black crust is Z- and S-spun threads.  Further, there is no  footnote 
to the "black crust" statement, and Goitein doesn't seem to mention it,  
although I would need several hours to go back through all his books.
 
I may have stumbled upon some answers that might give us a possible clue to 
 this question.  Try reading over some of the methods on this web  site.  
Note the heavy use of ashes.  

_The Household Cyclopedia  - Bleaching and Scouring_ 
(http://www.mspong.org/cyclopedia/bleaching.html)  
 
This jives well with what Tom Knisely at The Mannings has suggested:   "My 
guess is that the linen threads were being coated with  a type of ash 
treatment for sizing of the threads. Wool ash or plant ash  many have need used 
because the ash would have had lye  that may have  aided  in the finish 
processing. That's my thoughts and  guess."


Roberta, a friend from a weaving group, has this suggestion:   "Today they 
tumble pumice stones to soften and polish denim.  Egyptians  used to use 
pumice stones to remove unwanted hair from the body.  I am  thinking that after 
the flax is retted it is black (and they probably did not  have the 
scutching equipment we are familiar with today) so they used the pumice  stone 
to 
rub on the fiber to remove the black and the little hairs in order to  make 
it more smooth and polished for weaving cloth."
It's starting to look like they didn't really "clean" the threads  
thoroughly before sending them to the weavers, and it was the weavers'  
responsibility to make the thread as fine/coarse as they wanted it.  There  
were umpteen 
different grades of linen fabric produced in Egypt in the Middle  Ages, so 
this stage -- after spinning and before weaving -- may have been "the"  one 
that determined a lot of the quality.  
 
I am also wondering if this was some processing method that resulted in a  
protective layer on the thread making it better for shipping them, which  
they did all over creation at this time.  
 
Nancy
 
 
 




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[h-cost] white and red cotton

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In "The Book of the Islamic Market Inspector" (Oxford University Press,  
1999), written in 12th-century Cairo by al-Shayzari, he says:
 
"You must not mix new cotton with old nor red cotton with white." p.  89
 
What does he mean by "red cotton"?
 
Thank you.
Nancy  

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[h-cost] red cotton

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Thank you to those of you who tried to answer my question about the  
regulation in 12th-century Cairo about not mixing white and red cotton.  I  
don't, 
alas, think that we've found an answer yet.  The thread or finished  fabric 
would have been dyed.  First, I do not think that the 12th-century  Arabic 
carders worked with pre-dyed cotton.  Second, naturally-colored  cottons are 
a New World phenomenon, according to the Wikipedia article  cited.  Third, 
nankeen cotton, again according to Wikipedia, is/was a pale  yellowish 
color; there is no mention of other colors except when dyed or  block-printed.
 
So, I am still on the hunt for this very specific information as it applies 
 to 12th-century Egypt.  Thank you for any further ideas or  suggestions.
 
Nancy
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 347

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Wikipedia has its interest, but is not the be-all and end-all of  
references. There are other articles on the net that say it was also  
used in the Middle East. . . . You might want to do more research on  
colored cotton, not necessarily on the net.
 
Thank you, Fran, I am very aware of the limitations of Wikipedia.  I  also 
did a huge amount of research on early cotton for Stephen Yafa for his  
book, "Big Cotton", and found nothing, at the time, on red cotton being used in 
 
Egypt.
 
It has, just now, been pointed out to me that red cotton was known in  
Anatolia; that would then beg the question about its importation into Egypt in  
the 12th-century.  Did Egypt actually import cotton?  It is possible  that 
the same conditions that produced the Anatolian red cotton occurred in  
Egypt.  
 
Nancy

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[h-cost] painted clothing

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Forwarded from another list.



 Ms Harley 53 of the English Brut chronicle records an incident during the 
uke of Burgundy’s siege of English Calais in 1436.  ...They of Brigges 
Bruges) made payntet clothes, howe the Flemmynges were att seege att 
aleis, and how thai wann the toune; and hanget our Englisshe men by the 
elis... etc




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[h-cost] 12th-century church inventory

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Is there anyone on the list who would like to take a stab at translating a 
12th-century Latin church inventory from the cathedral of Cefalu in Sicily?  I 
have worked on it using a dictionary and my own knowledge of medieval vestments 
and church items.  I have input from two wonderful gentlemen who have provided 
their translations.  But there are still some questions and translations that 
aren't quite working yet.

I would like to work with someone who is familiar with medieval church 
vestments, etc. and who also reads Latin.  

If you would be interested, please contact me off-list.  Thank you.

Nancy Spies



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[h-cost] Norman quesiton

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I am forwarding the question below on behalf of Annalena.  Please respond to 
her directly if you can help.  Thanks.
Nancy


-Original Message-
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I'm looking for reliable info on the methods of closure of Norman women's 
dress. Period art or contemporary documentaiton (ie primary sources). 
 
Apparently there are sources claiming they were sewn into their garments, and I 
wisht ot learn if that was 1) true, 2) true for all garments, and if the answer 
to 2 is no, 3) what else was used? 
 
Any help for being pointed in the right dirction appreciated. 
 
Annalena  
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[h-cost] Norman garb

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Please send your answers about Norman garb to Annalena at her personal email 
address.  If you want to answer on the costume list, please CC her.  I am not 
forwarding anything to her.  Thanks.  Nancy

Annalena  --  C. S. Friedman c.s.fried...@comcast.net





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[h-cost] late 12th century picture of breastfeeding

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I know that the subject of garb and breastfeeding comes up occasionally among 
reenactors and costume historians, so I thought that a picture of Beatrix, 
queen of Roger II the first Norman king of Sicily, breastfeedng their daughter 
Constance might be of interest.  It is from Peter of Eboli's MS dated 1198 C.E. 
 I have the picture as a jpeg and would be happy so send it to anyone 
interested.  Perhaps someone could post it to a site that would be accessible 
to everyone?

Nancy Spies
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[h-cost] article on bras - a second one pictured

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More on medieval lingerie:

http://www.historyextra.com/lingerie


Nice to see a picture of a second bra/undergarment.  Enlarged, it is 
out-of-focus, but you can still see some lovely needlelace, particularly on the 
shoulders.  This picture also shows that this bra/undergarment tied behind the 
neck.

Nancy
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[h-cost] "Medieval brides wore red."

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I just read the comment that "medieval brides wore red" in a book that does not 
attribute any source for the statement but has a bibliography and index.  The 
book makes me itchy because it is such a hybrid of fact and fiction.  

Anyway, my question is this: is that statement based on fact?  If so, what are 
the sources for this?  Was it true for all cultures?  Only Italy or ... ?  

It's an intriguing thing to say, and I would love, please, to learn more about 
bride colors in the Middle Ages, or, rather, specifically for me the late 
eleventh and twelfth centuries in southern Italy, if there is such specific 
information.

Thanks, all.

Nancy 
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[h-cost] "red" for marriage dress

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The statement comes from Mary Taylor Simeti's book, "Travels with a Medieval 
Queen" and is found on page 98.

Nancy
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[h-cost] red bridal gowns and book author

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Yes, Mrs. Simeti does not have a scholarly background, but as someone who has 
been up to her eyebrows in 12th-century Sicily for over a decade now I can tell 
you that she has read a lot of the basic background information.  This is what 
makes her books so confusing.  Anything I might use from her books is 
double-checked; hence, my question about red bridal dresses.

I, too, am reading, on-line, that medieval wedding dresses were simply one's 
best dress.  There are also the statements that blue was a preferred color but 
without quoting sources.  

Nancy


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[h-cost] color of a partridge's eye

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One of the favorite colors for silk, at least among Jewish brides in Egypt in 
the 10th-12th centuries was "the eye of a partridge".  The Arabic word is 
"hagali" and is supposed to be a brownish pink.

In looking at partridges on-line, I can not find a close-up of a partridge eye. 
 I can see, however, a usually bright orange rim around the eye which, I 
believe, is not the color that the brides were referring to.

Can anyone throw light on this color?  Perhaps -- fingers crossed -- a 
comparable DMC color has been identified?

Thank you very much.

Nancy Spies
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[h-cost] books available as pdfs

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With the kind permission of the list moderator, I am delighted to announce that 
my books are now available as pdfs and can be purchased directly from me with 
payment through PayPal.  Please see my web page for prices.


Also, please feel free to disseminate this announcement to any list or 
individual that might find it of interest.  Thank you.

Nancy Spies
Arelate Studio
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snsp...@aol.com 

"Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic Circumstances: A Thousand Years of 
Brocaded Tabletwoven Bands"
"Anna Neuper's Modelbuch: Early Sixteenth-Century Patterns for Weaving Brocaded 
Bands"
"Here Be Wyverns: Hundreds of Patterns Graphed from Medieval Sources"
"Here Be Drolleries: Hundreds More Patterns Graphed from Medieval Sources"
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[h-cost] the first "fashion book"

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Feature on the first fashion book written by a 16th-century accountant in 
Augsburg, Germany:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22766029


Nancy

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[h-cost] 12th-c. church inventories still in Latin

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Is there anyone on this list who is not only familiar with medieval church 
textiles but also can translate Latin?  If so, I would be deeply grateful if 
you would get in touch with me directly as I have in hand two new inventories 
of 12th-century North African churches whose items were taken to Sicily.  I 
would like to get the translations absolutely correct.

Thank you.

Nancy Spies
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[h-cost] "est casula samiti palumbini"

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Can anyone please tell me what "palumbini" means in this phrase?  "It is a 
chasuble made of samite ???..."  

Thank you.

Nancy
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[h-cost] Ifriqiyan textiles question

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Actually, there are several phrases which seem to incorporate a color adjective 
or perhaps some sort of cloth treatment with the textile name, but we are 
having difficulties coming to some concensus about what they mean.  May I 
please ask for your help?

For example, "Est cappa virgata de seta" means "a striped cape/mantle of hair" 
or "alia cappa samiti rubicundi" meaning "another russet samite cape/mantle".

So, these are the ones that are perplexing.

Est cappa maurolati -- A cape/mantle ???
Est casula samiti palumbini -- A samite chasuble ???
Est cappa cataficti (or catafitti) -- A cape/mantle ???

And ...

Est unum parvum catablatinum et vetus.  "A small work ??? and old."
(This also comes as a noun: Est unus catablatinus nimis vetus habens equos -- 
It is one ??? excessively old having horses.)


Ah, medieval Latin textile terminology is certainly a challenge, but I 
appreciate your help with this.

Nancy
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[h-cost] medieval and Renaissance Italian

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We've come across a word in the Latin inventories that I mentioned early which 
came to Sicily from Tunisia which absolutely no one can figure out.  I am 
really thinking there must be an Italian connection with this word and would 
like to throw myself on the mercy of anyone who is really into medieval and 
Renaissance Italian (clothing, language, whatever).

The word is CATAFITTI, but, of course, it could come in a variety of spellings.

My great thanks if anyone is able to help.

Nancy
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[h-cost] catafitti

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My apologies, everyone.  "Catafitti" is of Greek derivation and refers to a 
kind of silk of a certain color.  

Nancy
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[h-cost] dating a smoking woman

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I have a doodle/marginalia of a woman smoking a small black pipe which is in a 
French manuscript dated 1318.  Since smoking did not occur in Europe until the 
16th century, I am assuming that this doodle is a later addition.


However, she is wearing distinctive head wear, and I am wondering if she can be 
more closely dated based on this item of clothing.  


If anyone would be willing to take a look, I would be happy to send the picture 
as a jpg.  


Thank you.


Nancy Spies
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[h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers

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Are there any on-line sites about medieval garb for nursing mothers?  
Thank you.
 
Nancy  

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Nancy  Spies
Arelate Studio
_www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ 
(http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) 
Ingvild  Josefsdatter, OL
Bright Hills, Atlantia

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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 487

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I  do wish you well, _and_ plenty of 
rest!!!  Remember to take care of  Mom, Nancy  :o )


 
Thank you for this information, but I hasten to add that I needed it for  
someone else, thank goodness.
 
Nancy
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