Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
In a message dated 7/22/2007 9:22:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot *** I dunno. I think the stylist for the shoot has a goal of making it look like something one can get together at homein the mid-west or the south or maybe rural NY state. So they deliberately use fabrics and accessories that can be had by just about anyone anywhere...whose also on a budget. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
In a message dated 7/22/2007 9:22:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot *** AlbertCat wrote, I dunno. I think the stylist for the shoot has a goal of making it look like something one can get together at homein the mid-west or the south or maybe rural NY state. So they deliberately use fabrics and accessories that can be had by just about anyone anywhere...whose also on a budget. The thing is, there are other hairstyles than the very tall wig and the saucy-pirate-lass-flowing hair. Reenactors often will put up thier hair and add some feathers for a formal event. Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:42:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? ** A...there lies the rub. I think in this specific instance it the I wanna look like the film Marie Antoinette crowd. Maybe they figure reenactors can see past the Halloween look. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Well, they might consider reinactors--for like the Civil War gowns and underpinnings by Martha McCain and the newer Patterns from History that are far more authentic, but I think they consider the main potential buyers as Halloween and high school, college, and the local community playhouse. Reinactors would get at least patterns that are more easily alterable than starting from scratch. I'm willing to bet that most of those designers for the historical costumes start out with far more authentic patterns and then have to modify them for a mass audience to a greater or lesser degree. Last I heard of Martha McCain, on this list, I think, was a year or so ago. If I remember right, she was working on 18th century costumes. It would be great to get mass-market patterns that finally get the 18th century bodice and sleeves right! I remember doing an Eleanor of Toledo dress by buying 2 or 3 RenFaire type costumes years ago from McCall's and Simplicity at 99 cents each(not having the skill or the equipment to enlarge the Arnold pattern on my apartment wall in order to trace it out.) I altered the bodice patterns to fit me first and then redrew the patterns to match Arnold. Still pretty time-consuming, but without a dressmaker's dummy in the size of yours truly, it was the cheapest way to go. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:42:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? ** A...there lies the rub. I think in this specific instance it the I wanna look like the film Marie Antoinette crowd. Maybe they figure reenactors can see past the Halloween look. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
20 1/2 yds for the Robe A l'francaise http://www.simplicity.com/designNavigator.cfm?design=3637, sounds like Simplicity has gone overboard as per usual on buying extra yardage for trim rather than piecing scraps. Also I'm not sure about the shape and length of that point, 18th century experts can correct me but in the line drawing it doesn't look right and rather reminds me of a comment I heard about the Shakespeare in Love pattern describing the look as 'bodice with a p*nis' because there is just this narrow point sticking down at the front rather than a more straight line heading downwards to make a V shape. The wig really can't be helped, it's what you can buy easily from costume shops and I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot (and nothing above the neck is included in the pattern anyway). Although with a saque gown you can get away with claiming it's pre 1770s and the big hair trend hasn't really gotten underway yet. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Actually that looks like the stays rather than a stomacher. The shape and length looks fine. Generally the stomacher is where you would have some contrast — a focal point. They have that with the bows, but the stomacher could be a different color, too. With the underpinnings (3635), it looks like the shift sleeves are drawstring, which is not correct. Shift sleeves were gathered into cuffs. Likewise the neckline should not be gathered, either. The V at the bottom back of the stays is consistent on the model and the line drawing, so it looks like it's part of the pattern. And it's not right, either. With a few adjustments, though, it could produce something decent. -Carol On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: 20 1/2 yds for the Robe A l'francaise http://www.simplicity.com/ designNavigator.cfm?design=3637, sounds like Simplicity has gone overboard as per usual on buying extra yardage for trim rather than piecing scraps. Also I'm not sure about the shape and length of that point, 18th century experts can correct me but in the line drawing it doesn't look right and rather reminds me of a comment I heard about the Shakespeare in Love pattern describing the look as 'bodice with a p*nis' because there is just this narrow point sticking down at the front rather than a more straight line heading downwards to make a V shape. The wig really can't be helped, it's what you can buy easily from costume shops and I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot (and nothing above the neck is included in the pattern anyway). Although with a saque gown you can get away with claiming it's pre 1770s and the big hair trend hasn't really gotten underway yet. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Quite a nice surprise for me, too! I think the undergarments pattern could really be of use, I wish it had only come earlier, now that I've finally figured out how to make the pannier pattern... The blue dress is not bad at all, well, the wig and the yellow ribbons are a bit disturbing, but I think this might be one of the most accurate 18th century patterns from Simplicity... - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
I have come to find that JA and HL, most times have their sales at about the time the new book is about to come out so that they can make room for the new patterns. It's quite annoying. I was hoping to get Simplicity 3677 for a Con in two weeks but my local JA had not got it yet and if they had it, would not have put it out while the 1.99 sale was going on for Simplicity patterns. :P De -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Abel, Cynthia wrote: Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com . Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Oooh! Lots of fun new costumes this month. They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
In a message dated 7/20/2007 2:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. That's what I was thinking. It's the fabric choice, and the way the decoration is done that is the bad thingand the wig! But one could get a very impressive dress outta these patterns. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 Sg Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted V is not correct. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
Maybe its because the stays dont have enough tabs for the hips, so that it spreads out two much at the center back bottom. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 Sg Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted V is not correct. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
Would butterick 4484 work better? -Original Message- At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 Sg Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted V is not correct. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
In a message dated 7/21/2007 12:21:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted V is not correct. ** I don't think it's an inverted V. I think it's a straight back laced edge to edge and is spreading apart over the butt...like the tabs spreading over the hips. The drawing makes it look like a V. But I could be wrong, not seeing the pattern pieces. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne?
In a message dated 7/21/2007 5:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would butterick 4484 work better? * It, too is from Corsets Crinolines. It's a late 1700s corset. It's not my favorite pattern. The Simplicity looks to be more useful as it is more generic of the whole period. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com One looks like a reissue of the Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few years' ago. It is #3623 The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers are #3635 and #3637 Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Abel, Cynthia wrote: Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com . Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Oooh! Lots of fun new costumes this month. They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. If anybody outside the US wants to take advantage of the sale, email me and we can work something out. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Susan B. Farmer wrote: They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! I hate it when that happens. Worse, when the book is out, but the local store doesn't have the patterns yet. That's really frustrating. Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com One looks like a reissue of the Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few years' ago. It is #3623 The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers are #3635 and #3637 Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! I hate it when that happens. Worse, when the book is out, but the local store doesn't have the patterns yet. That's really frustrating. I had to pick up a prescription at WalMart today -- and they don't have the new book. Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. This was my first HL pattern buying experience ($0.99 and no limit -- WooHoo!) but she didn't tear the flaps off on the patterns that I bought. I'll keep that in mind next time I go there. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby
Dawn wrote: Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. Any idea why they do this? I hope it's not why some shady place rip the covers off of remaindered paperback books! cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby
Not all places that rip the covers off books or patterns are shady. Distribution companies tear off covers of paperback books that are not sold and send them back for credit. The books are then destroyed but some places donate them to shelters etc. There are people that take advantage of this but not everyone. Kenet --- Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn wrote: Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. Any idea why they do this? I hope it's not why some shady place rip the covers off of remaindered paperback books! cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby
Cynthia Virtue wrote: Dawn wrote: Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. Any idea why they do this? I hope it's not why some shady place rip the covers off of remaindered paperback books! They tear the flap off (when you buy it) so they can tell it was bought at 99 cents, and so it can't be returned without the receipt for the $16.95 retail price in cash or store credit. All the H-L stores here in KC do that to me. Other fabric stores either have a stamp that says sale, or they write sale on the front of the envelope, which doesn't bother me as much. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Abel, Cynthia wrote: Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com . Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Oooh! Lots of fun new costumes this month. They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
The blue dress color comes close to the blue dress found on a Dutch(?) painting of a woman. Her husband's portrait with him in a smoking jacket(?) was the same shade of blue. I posted both to this site. I don't have the url saved. De -Original Message- Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Hi, Sorry for the confusing. I was talking about the Marie Antoinette dress, the francaise pleated back one. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns The blue dress color comes close to the blue dress found on a Dutch(?) painting of a woman. Her husband's portrait with him in a smoking jacket(?) was the same shade of blue. I posted both to this site. I don't have the url saved. De -Original Message- Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby
In a message dated 7/20/2007 4:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They tear the flap off (when you buy it) so they can tell it was bought at 99 cents, and so it can't be returned without the receipt for the $16.95 retail price in cash or store credit. All the H-L stores here in KC do that to me. Other fabric stores either have a stamp that says sale, or they write sale on the front of the envelope, which doesn't bother me as much. Well, actually, from someone who worked in fabric/pattern retail for a LONG time, we tear the flaps off to make sure the patterns get re-ordered--we are supposed to keep a certain stock on hand at all times. We also do a periodic (I think it was quarterly) inventory to check that we have what we are supposed to and make sure pulled patterns get culled. Some stores seem to carry that further and tear off more than just the tab, which used to be perforated, or even part of the front of the envelope. When I worked at Hancock, we double-stamped the front of the cheapie sale patterns so we could tell them apart. When patterns are pulled, only the envelopes are returned--the tissue is discarded--we can only hope it is re-cycled these days! And yes, in the old da ys, some stores did sell just the tissues (or let employees take them home, which I gues is just as dishonest). But as to the pattern under discussion--it looks pretty E to me--good costume, maybe, but not reenactor-quality. And the wig, as someone commented, is truly awful! I was reminded of Moira Shearer's Marie Antoinette (as reported in Edward Maeder's Hollywood and History). Ann Wass Ann Wass ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
