Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
Heather, I had not known about your data base before, and just ran my first search on it. WHAT an amazing tool! Thank you for providing this! Best, Lauren Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 24, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments database online http://www.heatherrosejones.com/survivinggarments/ choosegarment.php and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
Thanks for that link! I didn't know someone has done such a research about surviving garments... I think this won't help me much directly in this project, but it'll surely help me in the future:-)) Heather Rose Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments database online choosegarment.php and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
You may also find this website from the Czech Republic of interest http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/obsah.htm Beth At 01:00 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for that link! I didn't know someone has done such a research about surviving garments... I think this won't help me much directly in this project, but it'll surely help me in the future:-)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia-German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) Zuzana Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless you can cite a specific time/place. Some of these are art books called manuscript facsimiles, which are page-by-page reproductions of full manuscripts. Others are art books about manuscript painting. Many are very expensive -- I know of two brilliant reproductions of the Manesse that are too expensive for my budget, but are in many libraries. (And it's online, too.) To get a good sense of what's out there, go to your nearest major library or university library and look in the *oversize* section under the subject heading of manuscript illumination or manuscript paintings. You'll find titles like Manuscript Painting in the Court of France; once you've found one, you'll find a shelf full. If you can tell us exactly what time and place you're interested in, we can probably point you to specific titles. I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. But perhaps someone who already has their collection on Librarything would be willing to point Zuzana to a list of suitable books? (Wanda?) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments database online http://www.heatherrosejones.com/survivinggarments/ choosegarment.php and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] medieval book with pictures
Hi, can someone recommend me a good book on medieval clothing with many (historically accurate) illustrations for inspiration? The pictures can be photos of real finds: garments, statues, painings, or simly re-drawn pictures. The period that interests me is 14th century, but other periods would be quite nice as well. Many thanks, Zuzana - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: can someone recommend me a good book on medieval clothing with many (historically accurate) illustrations for inspiration? The pictures can be photos of real finds: garments, statues, painings, or simly re-drawn pictures. The period that interests me is 14th century, but other periods would be quite nice as well. A Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th Centuries, by Margaret Scott. All pictures, all primary sources, mostly sculptures and brasses. Focuses on England with some overlap into France. Out of print but worth finding via ILL. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless you can cite a specific time/place. Some of these are art books called manuscript facsimiles, which are page-by-page reproductions of full manuscripts. Others are art books about manuscript painting. Many are very expensive -- I know of two brilliant reproductions of the Manesse that are too expensive for my budget, but are in many libraries. (And it's online, too.) To get a good sense of what's out there, go to your nearest major library or university library and look in the *oversize* section under the subject heading of manuscript illumination or manuscript paintings. You'll find titles like Manuscript Painting in the Court of France; once you've found one, you'll find a shelf full. If you can tell us exactly what time and place you're interested in, we can probably point you to specific titles. I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. But perhaps someone who already has their collection on Librarything would be willing to point Zuzana to a list of suitable books? (Wanda?) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
the Manesse Codex is available online. Just google 'Manesse Codex.' There's a wonderful version of it in the original German. All photos are thumbnails which can be enlarged. Much fun. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
Hi, Zuzana. The book that you might be looking for is Minnesanger ; Achtzehn farbige Wiedergaben aus der Manessischen Liederhandschrift, by Kurt Martin Woldemar Klein Verlag, Baden-Baden 1953 (18 color illustrations from the Mannesse codex) I don't know of a copy of the whole manuscript, text and all, but that might get you started getting a library loan. Good Luck, Mike T. Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
I have a site ear marked http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203 De -Original Message- the Manesse Codex is available online. Just google 'Manesse Codex.' There's a wonderful version of it in the original German. All photos are thumbnails which can be enlarged. Much fun. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
Robin, I am on the hunt for female Flemish 1420 - 1460 outfits,, I will gladly take any titles you wish to send me.. I am trying to focus primarily on houpelands (sp?). I am also trying to (dis)prove a theory that 'bagpipe' sleeves were only worn by men, not women. (like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment) Thanks for any info Katheryne From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] major snip I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
If you want a book, rather than a web site, go to Amazon DE. If you scroll down to the very bottom of the search page on the U.S. edition of Amazon, you will see a link for Amazon in Germany. Go there and put Manesse Codex in the search field. The one that pops up first is Codex Manesse. Die Miniaturen der Großen Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , which seems to have all the miniatures (if I am deciphering the German correctly) and costs 29 euros. Shipping of course will be expensive. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
-Original Message- (like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment) http://tinyurl.com/yre32p Thanks for any info Katheryne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on the hunt for female Flemish 1420 - 1460 outfits,, I will gladly take any titles you wish to send me.. What a great period for artwork! Paintings as well as manuscripts. My very favorite manuscript for secular clothing of this period -- 200 images, all with realistic people, most secular, various classes -- is a coffee-table facsimile of a c. 1430-1440 Flemish ms of Bocaccio's Decameron, ed. Edmond Pognon, various editions/languages, 1978. I see 30 copies at abebooks right now, ranging from $6 to $40. There are other wonderful facsimiles from this period, but this will get you the most bang for the buck in terms of quantity of images for a low sum. That was part of a lovely little series of Illuminated Manuscripts; I got several for a song when they were remaindered in about 1979, including the Tres Riches Heures, an Italian Divine Comedy, and a splendid Tristan and Isolde. (I skipped an Egyptian Book of the Dead and something Mayan.) I am trying to focus primarily on houpelands (sp?). I am also trying to (dis)prove a theory that 'bagpipe' sleeves were only worn by men, not women. Not sure what you mean by bagpipe sleeves, but bag sleeves were plenty common on women. Look in Margaret Scott's Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th Centuries and you'll see English brasses and effigies with bag sleeves. And there's a nice bag sleeve in Hecyra, an image reprinted in Marcel Thomas's The Golden Age (a nice overview of manuscript paintings, one of several published by Braziller in, hmm, probably the 1970s). That one is online somewhere; I can't find the nice big version, but I see a small version of it here: http://www.umilta.net/terencechaucer.html First image on that page -- bag sleeves with fringe/dags down the outer seam, yum. (like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment) If you mean the magi who has a bag sleeve with a slit in the top, so he can put his arm out the slit or his hand out the cuff ... not sure if I've ever seen that particular variation on a woman but I wouldn't rule it out. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
