Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
On Wed 08/04/30 14:44 , Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > I'm sorry, I have no idea what that is. Is it a magazine? A pattern > book? Where would I find a copy? "Der Bazar" was a German fashion magazine. The only copies I know of are in the New York Public Library or in private collections. Individual fashion plates appear in other secondary sources. > Unfortunately, there are no dates given for the women's wear, which is > the majority of the collection, and what I'd be wearing if I made any of > these dresses. Feel free to contact me off-list and I'll be happy to share my thoughts on dates. \ > Thanks Carolann. To my untrained eye they all look pretty much the same. The differences in men's clothing are more subtle than women's, but they're there. Same offer if you'd like to discuss men's clothing. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:36:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? To add to what Carolann said about postings on another list, the yellow dress supposidly came from a pattern in der Bazaar. The green dress in #2887 is also an original pattern, but date and publication remaining anonymous. In terms of accuracy, I'd be extremely hesitant to use #2887 for a Civil War dress, even when made out of the proper fabric. I've personally seen these princess line dresses in a few CDVs here and there, but I can't say that I've ever seen an original. I know the pattern Heidi Marsh used for her "polonaise traveling dress" came out of Peterson's, 1861, but there again, I've never seen an original. It really is lovely, but I think it would be better suited, altered to a slim coat sleeve, for post-Civil War applications, or as a nice wrapper. ~Joseph **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from > drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm sorry, I have no idea what that is. Is it a magazine? A pattern book? Where would I find a copy? > Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this > list. I have, and sadly received no response. > A summary of some of her research for her men's > patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on > Simplicity's web site. > Unfortunately, there are no dates given for the women's wear, which is the majority of the collection, and what I'd be wearing if I made any of these dresses. > The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - > combining details from several decades to create > an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see > significant differences between it and the earlier patterns Thanks Carolann. To my untrained eye they all look pretty much the same. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Thanks for the link to Kay's site!! Yum Yum! See this link on Kay's site: http://www.originals-by-kay.com/custom%20work%20studio/galleryballg.htm It may be the dress shown on the front of the Simplicity yellow ball gown, I bet. I have Frances Grimble's "Reconstruction Era Fashions" that shows bodices and skirts from Harper's Bazaar patterns much like this gown. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns On Wed 08/04/30 13:35 , Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this list. A summary of some of her research for her men's patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on Simplicity's web site. I've found her designs to be very accurate for the Civil War era. It's unfortunate Simplicity did not use her excellent instructions. Simplicity should be able to provide contact information for the other designer(s). > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - combining details from several decades to create an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see significant differences between it and the earlier patterns by Martha McCain, which are very accurate for the era. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Lynn: I thought the waist position on the pattern illustrated by the yellow ballgown was odd, too. But I would check photographs and fashion plates of the era both. I couldn't say either way, since the Civil War isn't my era of expertise. I would trust photographic evidence more than fashion plates. Few women could look as good in the fashions as shown in the fashion plates. See photographs of Mary Todd Lincoln during her years as First Lady as an example and also Queen Victoria before Prince Albert's death Older women would cling to the styles of their youth or adapt newer styles to what was comfortable for them. A waistline set at least lower in front would appear more slimming to all figure types and the smaller the waist, the more attractive the figure, even today. In my very limited knowledge the round waist, often with sash, seems to have been more prevalent in the late 1820's to mid 1830's than the early-mid 1860's. Even for women who could afford the latest styles as shown in Godey's Ladies Magazine could be not as up-to-date as their European counterparts as Godey's and other American publications published plates of the latest fashions months or as much as a year later than European magazines because of the perceived view of American women as being more conservative, or less concerned with changes in fashion. A "good" American or English woman was not supposed to be as fascinated with fashion as their more frivolous European(read French)counterpart. And in reality, the average Frenchwoman considered nouveau riche English and Americans far more concerned with Dame Fashion than she was. Bottom line was that few women could actually afford couture from the top designers in France, probably even less than today. After 1860, however, the waistline was preparing to drop into the eventual princess-cut of the 1870's. Cutting waistlines lower in front than back, apron-like overskirts and drapes, and tabbed extensions below the fitted and/or belted waistline were more common as the crinolined skirt started to change from the all-around bell shape to more fullness in back after 1860. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:17 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. LynnD On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > now wouldn't it?? :) > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow :) > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > Sharon/Meli > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > :) > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
On Wed 08/04/30 13:35 , Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? > Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if > there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this list. A summary of some of her research for her men's patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on Simplicity's web site. I've found her designs to be very accurate for the Civil War era. It's unfortunate Simplicity did not use her excellent instructions. Simplicity should be able to provide contact information for the other designer(s). > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it > looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - combining details from several decades to create an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see significant differences between it and the earlier patterns by Martha McCain, which are very accurate for the era. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
I took a look at that one last night. It's kind of like a vaguely basque-bodiced wrapper type thing. Not saying that they DIDN'T have something like that back in the day, but I've never seen anything like it. Granted, I'm no expert either, but in probably 300+ original garments I've examined, I've never seen all those elements put together in one garment. It's more of an amalgam, IMO. YMMV, of course. LuAnn > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:19 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard > to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. > However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and > I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't > seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower > than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. > > I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the > research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. > > LynnD > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > > now wouldn't it?? :) > > > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow :) > > > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > > > Sharon/Meli > > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > > :) > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Kay Gagney actually has an online store front. I have personally seen her work at it is rather good - and based on originals. She does custom work as well as ready-to-wear. Her website is: www.originals-by-kay.com Sarah On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil > War" > era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to > give a more specific year? > > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity > patterns, > if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. > > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To > me it > looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. > > > > Dawn > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. LynnD On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > now wouldn't it?? :) > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow :) > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > Sharon/Meli > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > :) > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, now wouldn't it?? :) Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow :) Thanks for posting the simplicity link! Sharon/Meli Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
In popular opinion, do they have the correct period look? Vicky Lynn Downward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I swear these new patterns weren't there last night when I checked. They're certainly there now, though. I think I prefer Laughing Moon's Man's Frock Coat, although the shirt in that pattern looks ok. The two dresses are really pretty. Again, I think I prefer Laughing Moon's underwear pattern to the Simplicity one, but it's a lovely chemise. Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM, S Young wrote: > All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually > find > them. I did a quick search and: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php > > Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like > "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" > > The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right > down the bottom of the page: > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm > > I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch > time might be in order! > > Sidney > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia > wrote: > > > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > > was "done). > > > > Cindy Abel > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > > > Cynthia, > > > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > > Items" > > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > > > Thanks, > > Lynn > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > > > > wrote: > > > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > > love > > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > > > Vicky > > > > > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > > dressy. > > > > > > Cindy Abel > > > ___ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > > or > > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Visit Sid's > "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" > http://z900.piczo.com/ > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume You can find me at http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 or www.southerngracedesigns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
I swear these new patterns weren't there last night when I checked. They're certainly there now, though. I think I prefer Laughing Moon's Man's Frock Coat, although the shirt in that pattern looks ok. The two dresses are really pretty. Again, I think I prefer Laughing Moon's underwear pattern to the Simplicity one, but it's a lovely chemise. Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM, S Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually > find > them. I did a quick search and: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php > > Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like > "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" > > The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right > down the bottom of the page: > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm > > I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch > time might be in order! > > Sidney > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > > was "done). > > > > Cindy Abel > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > > > Cynthia, > > > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > > Items" > > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > > > Thanks, > > Lynn > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > > love > > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > > > Vicky > > > > > > Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > > dressy. > > > > > > Cindy Abel > > > ___ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > > or > > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Visit Sid's > "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" > http://z900.piczo.com/ > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually find them. I did a quick search and: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right down the bottom of the page: http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch time might be in order! Sidney On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > was "done). > > Cindy Abel > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > Cynthia, > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > Items" > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > love > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > Vicky > > > > Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > dressy. > > > > Cindy Abel > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > or > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Visit Sid's "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" http://z900.piczo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period was "done). Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
If someone's ever going to try the new corset, drawers and chemise pattern 2890, let me know the results! I was very satisfied with the 7215 corset pattern, so I'd like to try this one. Zuzana Lynn Downward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. Vicky Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather dressy. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume You can find me at http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 or www.southerngracedesigns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns
Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather dressy. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns
Where are you Serena? I will be in Europe in September, I could buy them for you and send them. If you are in Germany, I might even be able to hand deliver! Sg - Original Message - From: Serena Dyer<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com<mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns Does anyone know if the 3635 and 3637 patterns will ever be available in the UK? Thanks Serena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com<mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume<http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns
I'd contact Simplicity if I were you. This is the webpage for contacting them outside the US. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=international.html That page says that product availability outside the US may be different than wah appears on their website and you should email them with questions. Best of luck, Serena, LynnD On 8/10/07, Serena Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know if the 3635 and 3637 patterns will ever be available in the > UK? > > Thanks > > Serena > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity Patterns
Does anyone know if the 3635 and 3637 patterns will ever be available in the UK? Thanks Serena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782
Yes, but I was judging just by the general cut of the pattern pieces. Most of the commercial patterns are designed for the non SCA, non historically accurate people who want to dress in an approximation, and the fewer layers they wear, the more comfortable they are. I wasn't going to slavishly copy View B or A, but use them as a guide. I usually just get something in a modern pattern(those $1.99 pattern sales!)alter to fit me, and then haul out Arnold and Hunnisett as help to get the cut accurate. Now if we could get some last quarter of the 18th century good patterns from Simplicity(et.al). Cindy Abel The drawback is that there isn't a smock to go under it. sleeve of "A" has the "smock" sleeves sewn in. Dress "B" if worn this way is closer to a Civil War gown (think Scarlet's curtain dress) then Renaissance as the gown is suppose to be worn over dresses like dress "A" ex: http://tinyurl.com/ywzo36 http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/MargaretAudley.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneAustria.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady39.jpg There are a few portraits showing the dress under the style "B" type to have a similar neckline as dress "A" but I can't seem to find them. Most were "Italian" De -Original Message- Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782
The drawback is that there isn't a smock to go under it. sleeve of "A" has the "smock" sleeves sewn in. Dress "B" if worn this way is closer to a Civil War gown (think Scarlet's curtain dress) then Renaissance as the gown is suppose to be worn over dresses like dress "A" ex: http://tinyurl.com/ywzo36 http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/MargaretAudley.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneAustria.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady39.jpg There are a few portraits showing the dress under the style "B" type to have a similar neckline as dress "A" but I can't seem to find them. Most were "Italian" De -Original Message- Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782
Simplicity has four new patterns in their Early Summer book, 2 "Museum Curator" Civil War costumes for women, a virtual reprint of their old "Medieval Peasants" pictured in different colorways than the original and Elizabethan costume 3782. I purchased the last and from the directions, the pics of the pattern pieces aren't that far off from Janet Arnold, Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen" and the "Tudor Tailor", especially for a "mass market" pattern. The main sleeves are even two-piece and curved to fit the arm, thus forcing the wearer to hold her arms at the correct angle. Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity and ease
Simplicity has an article on their web site explaining their version of "ease." http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/classroom/sewingLessons/sew ing101part2.cfm If that link doesn't work, try Simplicity.com (http://www.simplicity.com/) and go to "Sewing 101 - Part 2." Martha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity Regency Patterns
Okay, I'll pipe in... I actually walked a group of Ann's volunteers through a patterning class about two years ago - to make a custom pattern with that diamond back. Lots of research before hand, and started with a sloper. I found it easy to do and my mock up was great - the down side was that as much as these people wanted to learn, many lacked the sewing skills to do it. I do own the S&S patterns, although I tend to buy these (and the historically accurate patterns) and then use them as jumping points to recreate originals. I have a feeling that if there were tutorials out there on how to adjust your Simplicity Regency patterns to make a diamond back that people would use them. Until then, most will just go the easiest route, and aside from the expensive but well researched Past Patterns dress, most will just make this one Sarah Nucci - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog
Jo Ann's is having their firefly sale. They have their clearance at 50% off so I got some brocade that was orginally $14 a yd for $2.50 yd. 14 patterns, would have gotten more but I always seem to get a headache if I stay to long there. De -Original Message- Thanks for the head's up on the Simplicity sale--I had not looked at my JoAnn's circular, since a new mailman missed my mailbox with it and I had to clean and dry mine. JoAnn's might be a good place to head tomorrow, since we have the College World Series here in Omaha, starting this weekend. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog
Thanks for the head's up on the Simplicity sale--I had not looked at my JoAnn's circular, since a new mailman missed my mailbox with it and I had to clean and dry mine. JoAnn's might be a good place to head tomorrow, since we have the College World Series here in Omaha, starting this weekend. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... > > Elena/Gia LOL! You beat me to it. They're on sale today and tomorrow (June 16 & 17) and there's also a 50% off sale on notions, scissors, and thread, and interfacing is 4 yds/96 cents. Two days only. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... Elena/Gia LOL! You beat me to it. They're on sale today and tomorrow (June 16 & 17) and there's also a 50% off sale on notions, scissors, and thread, and interfacing is 4 yds/96 cents. Two days only. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog
And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... Elena/Gia -- Original message -- From: "Abel, Cynthia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > It may not be at your local fabric store yet, but is up at > www.simplicity.com > > This is for those of us who wait for those $1.99 pattern sales because > we want to put all of our ever-shrinking optional funds into fabric and > trims. > > > The new early Autumn catalog is up and there are a few patterns of > interest. > > One appears to be a modified take on Johnny Depp's costume in "Willie > Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" > > Another is a kimono pattern(may be older pattern with a new number and > the same for a Colonial/Marie Antoinette(Sophia Coppola film due out > this fall.) Cut on gown is definitely modern--hope Martha McCain or > someone has more accurate patterns out soon! > > There is also a circa 1895 ball gown that looks decent from the small > online pic. > > McCalls, Butterick and Vogue still have Summer 2006 catalogs up. > > Cindy Abel > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog
It may not be at your local fabric store yet, but is up at www.simplicity.com This is for those of us who wait for those $1.99 pattern sales because we want to put all of our ever-shrinking optional funds into fabric and trims. The new early Autumn catalog is up and there are a few patterns of interest. One appears to be a modified take on Johnny Depp's costume in "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" Another is a kimono pattern(may be older pattern with a new number and the same for a Colonial/Marie Antoinette(Sophia Coppola film due out this fall.) Cut on gown is definitely modern--hope Martha McCain or someone has more accurate patterns out soon! There is also a circa 1895 ball gown that looks decent from the small online pic. McCalls, Butterick and Vogue still have Summer 2006 catalogs up. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
There is also a very similar mid 1890's dress in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 2", with an applied collar instead of the jacket front. Katy On 4/29/06, Lloyd Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a wonderful version of this style offered by the Wisconsin museum that is based on a garment in their collection. I have made it several times using variations that can be found in the various reprinted catalogues of that time period. I have even made one with the particular collar featured by #4156 (known as the Arum Lily collar). I haven't looked at how the skirt is shaped in the Simplicity pattern. The Wisconsin pattern is basically three gores; The front panel nearly goes from side to side for the hips and the two back panels finish the hip cover and then get pleated toward the center back...with a dart or two. The result is a skirt that swings and swishes at the whim of the wearer. My collection includes several of these suits so I have had a chance to double check the design of the original pattern. Since there are no zippers, there are several interesting variations of finishing the back placket with hooks and eyes judiciously placed to close the skirt but not impede the grace. (Hint, another wonderful use for stray shoulderpads! They are just the size of the bum pads that usually lurked under the back closing...or you can fashion one of matching fabric. - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > Dawn > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
There is a wonderful version of this style offered by the Wisconsin museum that is based on a garment in their collection. I have made it several times using variations that can be found in the various reprinted catalogues of that time period. I have even made one with the particular collar featured by #4156 (known as the Arum Lily collar). I haven't looked at how the skirt is shaped in the Simplicity pattern. The Wisconsin pattern is basically three gores; The front panel nearly goes from side to side for the hips and the two back panels finish the hip cover and then get pleated toward the center back...with a dart or two. The result is a skirt that swings and swishes at the whim of the wearer. My collection includes several of these suits so I have had a chance to double check the design of the original pattern. Since there are no zippers, there are several interesting variations of finishing the back placket with hooks and eyes judiciously placed to close the skirt but not impede the grace. (Hint, another wonderful use for stray shoulderpads! They are just the size of the bum pads that usually lurked under the back closing...or you can fashion one of matching fabric. - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > Dawn > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
I love the mid-90's, the skirt on this pattern seems slightly later, like maybe a year or three, than the bodice in shape; but maybe it's just the trim making it look more flared than it actually is. I would recommend, as a similar pattern, perhaps with fewer shortcuts/adaptations for the mass market, the Patterns of History Pattern from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin: http://shop.wisconsinhistory.org/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=22&idproduct=279 It is a nice pattern, I've made it a couple of times. The first time I made it, it was chosen for a set of bridesmaids, but the bride went on vacation before the dresses were made and the maids chose other dresses on their own. The bride did go ahead and have me make one dress for her. Katy On 4/28/06, Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] simplicity
That's right - it's the French for "tail". In the UK we also use it for what Americans call "standing in line". Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/03/2006 19:30 >>> In a message dated 3/22/2006 2:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to recall "queue" That's the word! No wonder I couldn't remember how to spell it...it has 3 different letters and 2 of them repeat in the same orderright after each other! :-P Yes, in school we called a man's 18th century wig with a pony tail a "queue wig"and the bag a "queue bag". ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/22/2006 2:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to recall "queue" That's the word! No wonder I couldn't remember how to spell it...it has 3 different letters and 2 of them repeat in the same orderright after each other! :-P Yes, in school we called a man's 18th century wig with a pony tail a "queue wig"and the bag a "queue bag". ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I seem to recall "queue" or something similar used for the Chinese immigrants in California. Just my .02 lira, Betsy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicity * True true. Except there's no bag or "cue" [I can't remember or find anywhere the real spelling of "cue" when it refers to a pony tail] in the picture. It looks very 1820s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The shirt with the black "tie" looks to be Post Regency (Georgian?) 1820s or 30s. Though I don't believe this is true to the style but designed to look like that type of shirt. De -Original Message- Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Thanks Judy! I guess that answers that question. :) Dawn Judy Mitchell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Ok, I looked at the designer's name (it's Andrea Schewe) and asked. the response on it is that it's essentially designed for the mass market, not an exact repro . The basic shapes are more closely patterned after a late 18C, early 19C than the McCall's similar pattern. The shoulders are sloped instead of putting in the little square gusset near the neck. There are 2 sleeves. One that has the underarm gusset and a larger more dramatic sleeve with the gusset worked in and elastic at the wrist. the kind of stock thing, was put in to add costuming interest. and it's aimed at the genreal market for anyone to make rather than the re-enactor market (that's Martha McCain's area). Hope this helps. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Ok, I looked at the designer's name (it's Andrea Schewe) and asked. the response on it is that it's essentially designed for the mass market, not an exact repro . The basic shapes are more closely patterned after a late 18C, early 19C than the McCall's similar pattern. The shoulders are sloped instead of putting in the little square gusset near the neck. There are 2 sleeves. One that has the underarm gusset and a larger more dramatic sleeve with the gusset worked in and elastic at the wrist. the kind of stock thing, was put in to add costuming interest. and it's aimed at the genreal market for anyone to make rather than the re-enactor market (that's Martha McCain's area). Hope this helps. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/21/2006 11:45:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 * True true. Except there's no bag or "cue" [I can't remember or find anywhere the real spelling of "cue" when it refers to a pony tail] in the picture. It looks very 1820s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Suzi, Yes sorry you are right. It is a stock. I looked at the painting by de Troy (The declaration of Love) where the gentlemens black ribbon is quite wide. I also think in genneral with this shirt pattern, that you will need to ajust the collar to your period. The collars would not be that high, when wearing early 1700 shirt. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicity At 13:49 21/03/2006, you wrote: Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a "poet" shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black "stock" it is likely to be that loose period "Regency" meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne I don't think so Bjarne - I have pictures of that kind of ribbon and it is nowhere near that deep. It may be meant to be that kind, but it looks far more like a stock, like I saw at Bath, to me. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 13:49 21/03/2006, you wrote: Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a "poet" shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black "stock" it is likely to be that loose period "Regency" meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne I don't think so Bjarne - I have pictures of that kind of ribbon and it is nowhere near that deep. It may be meant to be that kind, but it looks far more like a stock, like I saw at Bath, to me. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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My apologies. I meant Cotta. I have seen some clerical formal garments that have the lace ruffle. The sleeve style is what struck me as being significant. The Presbyterian collar (also Methodist?) is the collar of which you spoke, I believe. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Kate M Bunting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 > The ruffle looks to me like an early 19th century shirt-frill. Clerical bands are not ruffled - and a cassock is not a shirt but a close-fitting coat with long skirts. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/03/2006 13:38 >>> > My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to > be a "Cleric" and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for > the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even > with the fallen lace band. > > kathleen > __ > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a "poet" shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black "stock" it is likely to be that loose period "Regency" meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The ruffle looks to me like an early 19th century shirt-frill. Clerical bands are not ruffled - and a cassock is not a shirt but a close-fitting coat with long skirts. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/03/2006 13:38 >>> My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to be a "Cleric" and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even with the fallen lace band. kathleen __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to be a "Cleric" and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even with the fallen lace band. kathleen - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 > At 16:49 20/03/2006, you wrote: > >This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone > >can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me > >what time period it's supposed to be from: > > > >http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg > > > > > > > >Dawn > > > Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a "poet" > shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe > bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this > pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of > the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black "stock" it > is likely to be that loose period "Regency" meaning anything from > late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. > > Suzi > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Albertcat, Those shirts i have seen all has shoulder seams, some even has reinforcement in the shoulders. But you are right about the neck gussets. But its easy to make, i have not had any difficulties in making them. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:12:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: instead of making measurements of my husband. For a real 18th century shirt, the only measurement you need is the neck, really. It's a one size fits all kinda affair. For instance, the sleeves are blouse-y so as to fit everyone. Thus we also get sleeve garters. But if the pattern is rectangles, then go for it! The only "difficult" things about a real 18th century shirt are the neck gussets...set in at where the shoulder seam would meet the neckbut there are no shoulder seams in a real 18th century shirt. It's cut like a poncho. These triangular gussets set in at the neckline help give the shirt a "shoulder slope" that we just cut into a shirt nowadays with shoulder seams. These gussets are a great design feature, I think. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The one in Waugh has a 4" collar, which is what the pattern has. Are you saying the collars in the 1700's would have been a lot narrower than that? She dates the shirt 1700-1810. This collar is supposed to be bended like an ordinary collar, so it is right. I examined the examples i have. I was wrong about the stock kravat invented in mid century, actually they started this fashion in the 1725-30ies. Do you know if a ruffle on the front would have been worn early in the 18th century? That's mostly what I was interested in finding out. I really dont know, my guess is yes, as the slash or slit, dont have any closures except in the neck, so to hide the chest --yes. But the necktie you are going to wear will hide the neck slit. The neck stock says mid 19th century to me and I was planning on not using it. I really hate the laced up the placket "pirate" look. Agree with you on the laced up look. Ew. FWIW, there are two styles of shirt in the pattern, A&B seem historically based, C&D use different sleeves and collars, no gussets, and so forth. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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And you only engage in Pre-Emptive Naval Salvage Katheryne who has an alternative persona who is in that sort of 'work' - Original Message - > Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on > the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from > several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) > Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:53:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The one in Waugh has a 4" collar, which is what the pattern has. Are you saying the collars in the 1700's would have been a lot narrower than that? She dates the shirt 1700-1810. ** I make my 18th century collars 3" finished. But of course they could be 4"or 2". I think they tend to rise at the period progressesjust like coat and waistcoat collars do. They get higher and higher 'til it becomes necessary to cut out a scoop for the chin and thus you get those high points on each side of the face by the 1820s. A 3" rectangle is a great generic collar for the 18th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:12:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: instead of making measurements of my husband. For a real 18th century shirt, the only measurement you need is the neck, really. It's a one size fits all kinda affair. For instance, the sleeves are blouse-y so as to fit everyone. Thus we also get sleeve garters. But if the pattern is rectangles, then go for it! The only "difficult" things about a real 18th century shirt are the neck gussets...set in at where the shoulder seam would meet the neckbut there are no shoulder seams in a real 18th century shirt. It's cut like a poncho. These triangular gussets set in at the neckline help give the shirt a "shoulder slope" that we just cut into a shirt nowadays with shoulder seams. These gussets are a great design feature, I think. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Bjarne could be right, but I also see a 19th century shirt...the 1st half of it anyway. The shirt becomes what we generally think of as a shirt today [yolk, shaped sleeve heads] in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Before that, a shirt is cut in all rectangular and square pieces. I've got the pattern in hand, and it is mostly squares. There's slight shaping at the shoulders of the body pieces. Views A and B, the ones with buttons and the one with the ruffle and the book, look a lot like the shirt diagram in Waugh ... minus the shoulder gusset. The shape of collars really give away the period in the 19th century too. That very high collar with the ends of it near your ears can be found early on in the period till the 1830s and 40s. [You don't seem to get the starched detachable collars till the last half.] The one in Waugh has a 4" collar, which is what the pattern has. Are you saying the collars in the 1700's would have been a lot narrower than that? She dates the shirt 1700-1810. Do you know if a ruffle on the front would have been worn early in the 18th century? That's mostly what I was interested in finding out. The neck stock says mid 19th century to me and I was planning on not using it. I really hate the laced up the placket "pirate" look. Agree with you on the laced up look. Ew. FWIW, there are two styles of shirt in the pattern, A&B seem historically based, C&D use different sleeves and collars, no gussets, and so forth. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Sorry, I don't know. This is a problem that I have with some of the Simplicity and Butterick "historic" patterns. They don't identify the years they are representing. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Dawn wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Ok, Dawn, Cut of mens have a shirt pattern wich can be used for 1700 - 1790. Its like the butterick pattern. However you really dont need a pattern to make such a shirt. Its very easy cut of rectangles, slashes and quatrangels. frills at sleaves and neck slash can be ajusted like your taste, wide or narrow. Thanks! It sounds like I'm on the right track here then. Yes, the pattern is mostly squares, but since it only costs $2 it is so easy to use instead of making measurements of my husband. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:09:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne ** I think Bjarne could be right, but I also see a 19th century shirt...the 1st half of it anyway. The shirt becomes what we generally think of as a shirt today [yolk, shaped sleeve heads] in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Before that, a shirt is cut in all rectangular and square pieces. The shape of collars really give away the period in the 19th century too. That very high collar with the ends of it near your ears can be found early on in the period till the 1830s and 40s. [You don't seem to get the starched detachable collars till the last half.] Can't say I like any of these styles the pattern offers much. I really hate the laced up the placket "pirate" look. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Ok, Dawn, Cut of mens have a shirt pattern wich can be used for 1700 - 1790. Its like the butterick pattern. However you really dont need a pattern to make such a shirt. Its very easy cut of rectangles, slashes and quatrangels. frills at sleaves and neck slash can be ajusted like your taste, wide or narrow. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Quoting Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) *giggle* Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 Was the same style worn throughout the century? Or is this strictly a later 18th century style? Wondering if it would be appropriate for an early 1700's costume... Dawn Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Was the same style worn throughout the century? Or is this strictly a later 18th century style? Wondering if it would be appropriate for an early 1700's costume... Dawn Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 16:49 20/03/2006, you wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a "poet" shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black "stock" it is likely to be that loose period "Regency" meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
