Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth Bull wedding dress

[Wicked Frau]

That would be great!  Thank you!


On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Katy Bishop  wrote:

> I have detailed pictures of this dress--from it's unveiling party--I can
> post them when I have the chance.  It is amazing embroidery
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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth Bull wedding dress

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I have detailed pictures of this dress--from it's unveiling party--I can
post them when I have the chance.  It is amazing embroidery

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Marie Stewart  wrote:

> Amazing work.  Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth Bull wedding dress

[Marie Stewart]

Amazing work.  Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Bridgette / Mari

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[h-cost] Elizabeth Bull wedding dress

[Wicked Frau]

Someone just shared this with me on Facebookbeautiful!

http://bostoniansociety.blogspot.com/2015/07/a-look-at-elizabeth-bull-wedding-dress.html?m=1

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RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Sharon Collier]

And that raised the question of whether Mary Boleyn's son, Henry Carey, was
really Henry's bastard son, making him half brother to Elizabeth, instead of
only first cousin. Makes you wish you could be a fly on the wall  

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Behalf Of Adele de Maisieres
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:59 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>   
>> the story of the bastard monarch
>> 
>
> *
>
> It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz 
> was conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed 
> adultery is different from an annulment.
>   
The exact date of the marriage of Anne Boleyn to Henry VIII is not
known-- it was some time during late 1532 or January, 1533.  Elizabeth was
born in early September, so it's not possible to know with certainty whether
she was conceived just before or just after the marriage took place.  Her
parents were definitely married when she was born, though, which is what
matters in terms of legitimacy.

However, before Anne lost her head, her marriage to the King was annulled on
the grounds of the consanguinuity of a previous sexual relationship between
Henry and Anne's sister Mary, for which no dispensation had been granted (or
sought, for that matter). Elizabeth was declared a bastard.


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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Adele de Maisieres]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  
the story of the bastard monarch 



*

It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was 
conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different 
from an annulment.
  
The exact date of the marriage of Anne Boleyn to Henry VIII is not 
known-- it was some time during late 1532 or January, 1533.  Elizabeth 
was born in early September, so it's not possible to know with certainty 
whether she was conceived just before or just after the marriage took 
place.  Her parents were definitely married when she was born, though, 
which is what matters in terms of legitimacy.


However, before Anne lost her head, her marriage to the King was 
annulled on the grounds of the consanguinuity of a previous sexual 
relationship between Henry and Anne's sister Mary, for which no 
dispensation had been granted (or sought, for that matter). Elizabeth 
was declared a bastard.



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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Beteena Paradise]

In the image I saw, it almost looked like it is a shot fabric with what could 
be black and blue... definitely black. You can see that in the skirt. But... it 
probably IS a rather later color of purple based on the rest of the costuming 
in the movie.
   
  But... it won't matter. I am sure I will see it and love it. I am always 
entertained by costume dramas and I adore Cate Blanchett.

Jean Waddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My first thought was, surely that shade of purple wasn't invented until 
the 19th century?

JEan

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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Jean Waddie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  
the story of the bastard monarch 



*

It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was 
conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different 
from an annulment.


  
She was illegitimised by Act of Parliament (along with Mary) when Henry 
married Jane Seymour, to make sure any children he had with Jane would 
take precedence, even if it hadn't been a boy.  But that was repealed 
later, I can't remember when but she would have done it when she came to 
the throne herself, if it hadn't been done before.


" Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple 
moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration)..."


My first thought was, surely that shade of purple wasn't invented until 
the 19th century?


JEan

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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Beteena Paradise]

I think the question of her illegitimacy has to do with the fact that he could 
have still been legally married to Katherine of Aragon when he married Anne. 
When the Pope wouldn't declare the marriage void, he took over the English 
church and declared it void himself. Many didn't see that as a valid annulment. 
   
  And, as I recall, she was pregnant with Elizabeth when they married, but that 
doesn't make her a bastard as long as they were married by the time she was 
born.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> the story of the bastard monarch 

*

It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was 
conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is 
different 
from an annulment.

Of course in this film anything's possible. I suppose there'll be some 
females in outrageous full armor like that last one



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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

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In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> the story of the bastard monarch 

*

It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was 
conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is 
different 
from an annulment.

Of course in this film anything's possible. I suppose there'll be some 
females in outrageous full armor like that last one



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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Dawn]

Hope Greenberg wrote:

Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple 
moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is 
spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically 
accuratewell...what do we expect??




I expect some escapist fantasy and some pretty costumes, historical or 
not, and an evening out with my husband. Same as I'd get from any movie.



Dawn

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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Hope Greenberg]

Yikes! My apologies for not editing the previous 2 posts. I forgot that 
this particular e-mail client renders links as spelled out URLs when one 
chooses "send as text." Here I didn't want to complicate member 
e-mailboxes by sending as HTML and I ended up cluttering the messages 
with URLs. Ah well...


- Hope
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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

On Friday 12 October 2007, Hope Greenberg wrote:
[snip]

> Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple
> moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is
> spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically
> accuratewell...what do we expect??

Not much.  Well, I don't.  I saw the first movie, and the costumes ranged 
from "Ren Faire close" to "What were they thinking!" in terms of accuracy.



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Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Hope Greenberg]

Desson Thomson of the Washington Post has even more to say about the use 
of costumes in 'Elizabeth':


"Just in time for Halloween, "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" is here to tell 
us that evoking England 
's 
greatest queen is just a matter of finding the right gown, ruffled 
collar and frizzy wig. That seems to be the only purpose of this 
much-anticipated follow-up to 1998's "Elizabeth," which thrilled 
audiences with its spirited embrace of history and the introduction of a 
fiery newcomer named Cate Blanchett 
 
. Unfortunately, director Shekhar Kapur 
 
has doffed that sensual primacy for a bloated costume opera, in which 
the characters are essentially dress-up dolls, and Elizabeth has evolved 
from our favorite royal ingenue to a lifeless, chalk-faced runway diva."


Complete, and scathing, review at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101102296.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

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[h-cost] Elizabeth reviews

[Hope Greenberg]

Just saw Manohla Dargis's review of 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age' in the 
New York Times. Here's a sample:


"A kitsch extravaganza aquiver with trembling bosoms, booming guns and 
wild energy, “Elizabeth: The Golden Age” 
 
tells, if more often shouts, the story of the bastard monarch who ruled 
England with an iron grip and two tightly closed legs. It’s the story of 
a woman, who, as played by the irresistibly watchable Cate Blanchett 
 
as David Bowie 
 in 
his Ziggy Stardust period, sublimated her libidinal energies through 
court intrigue until she found sweet relief by violently bringing the 
Spanish Empire to its knees."


"But that’s getting ahead of this story, which begins in 1585 when Queen 
Elizabeth hit 52, though the film seems to put her closer to 38, Ms. 
Blanchett’s actual age. The blurring of fact and fancy is, of course, 
routine with this kind of opulent big-screen production, in which the 
finer points of history largely take a back seat to personal melodrama 
and lavish details of production design and costumes. In this regard 
“The Golden Age” 
 
may set a standard for such an adulterated form: it’s reductive, 
distorted and deliriously far-fetched, but the gowns are fabulous, the 
wigs are a sight and Clive Owen 
 makes 
a dandy Errol Flynn 
, 
even if he’s really meant to be Walter Raleigh, the queen’s favorite 
smoldering slab of man meat."


Remainder at NYTimes (free subscription may be required):
http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/movies/12gold.html?th&emc=th

Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple 
moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is 
spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically 
accuratewell...what do we expect??


- Hope

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[h-cost] Elizabeth-The Golden Age

[Abel, Cynthia]

 

 There is a new trailer up on the official website:

http://www.elizabeththegoldenage.net/

It offers some more glimpse of costumes. Spanish Armada sequences should
be pretty awesome, although most of it is CGI. Accurate or not, the
cinematography promises to be impressive as well.

Cindy Abel
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RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]

[Becky Rautine]

I think that the fabric for the front of the underskirt panel is low sheen 
satin (or duponi silk with some shimmery threads every so often laid into 
the weave but it could be just the variation of the silk when it is hand 
spun) with maybe a jacquard weave of a pattern. The few areas where the 
pattern sticks out more is an embellishment of looped threads that were 
sometimes made of fine metals like silver or gold. I don't know the term for 
that kind of embroidery technique but it is loops that stick out from the 
material, like the way people make the wool rugs with the punch tools. I 
don't think it is the voided velvet.
I too have wanted one like this. I think the sleeves would be the most 
challenging. I've seen others who posted how they did it but it still looks 
complicated. Sone use slits, while others make shaped spiral pieces that are 
attached at certain points.
I bought all the patterns I can find on this period. Lots of fabrics I may 
use and those dream dresses still await my needle to bring them life. Shame 
I moved away from the PA Renaissance Faire and the fun I had last year. I 
made dresses for myself and my daughter. It rained the weekend she was to be 
Princess Elizabeth (her name really is Elizabeth R) and her costume was 
heavy enough without adding wet to it. She still loved to wear it around the 
house to play dress-up. I worked a whole year on hers. IT was the pinkish 
dress worn by the 13 year old Princess Elizabeth. Appropiate for a young 
lady starting out in the dressing-up fun of Renaissance periods.

Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine




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Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this
dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or
brocade, or what?  Not the embroidered gardes, but the
ground fabric.

I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly
royal gown I can think of.

MaggiRos


--- Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de
> Valois, Queen of Spain.
> http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg
>

Reading:
[lunchtime at work]  The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle
[bedside]  The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher
[about to finish]  Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers
[CD in the car]  The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis
Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick


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RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]

[otsisto]

I have plans to make this dress and from what I can tell is that it is
embroidery. It is not velvet though a short haired velvet wouldn't be bad
for a rendition of the gown.

http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg
http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/isabeldevalois.JPG

bigger picture
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg

close up
http://www.songsmyth.com/1560french/valoisforepartcloseup.jpg

I presently have some salmon coloured satin reserved for the gown. The
sleeves and forepart with be off white. So I am not being exact to the
portrait. For the partlet I am most definitely fudging with the jewels. I
found square plastic segmented trim that I separated and perma-markered the
jewel in the square, maroon.
Sadly, I health and schedule has made it impossible to work on it at this
time.

De

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Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this dress embroidered, or
voided velvet or satin, or brocade, or what?  Not the embroidered gardes,
but the ground fabric.

I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly
royal gown I can think of.

MaggiRos


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[h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]

[MaggiRos]

Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this
dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or
brocade, or what?  Not the embroidered gardes, but the
ground fabric.

I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly
royal gown I can think of.

MaggiRos


--- Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de
> Valois, Queen of Spain.
> http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg
> 

Reading:
[lunchtime at work]  The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle
[bedside]  The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher
[about to finish]  Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers
[CD in the car]  The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis
Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick


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Re: [h-cost]"Elizabeth"

[Joannah Hansen]

The irony of this gives me a great deal of satisfaction, for some reason. ;->

Joannah

--- Chris Laning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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The amusing thing, my friend said, is that the director clearly didn't know 
enough about the period portraits to spot when the costumers _did_ lift 
something straight out of a well-known historical source :)



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Re: [h-cost] ... "Elizabeth" : quotes from article & designer info

[katherine sanders]

Hi all

I'm unable to track down an online copy of Mr
Starkey's article in the British TV paper Radio Times,
so thought it would be useful to give more info on
what he actually wrote.

He was flown over to Lithuania to watch filming - he's
a nippy sweety historian who is pretty good at
lecturing to camera, but nothing like the class of
Kenneth Clark - and raves on about the 1/3 and full
scale reproductions of Whitehall Palace constructed
with guidance from Simon Thurley, head of English
Heritage and ' "the" great expert on Tudor palaces'
after pointing out they film in Lithuania because it's
cheap.  Then we get onto costume.

"Where I think this film is really going to score,
though, is in the attention to costume. This is not
the usual Hollywood version of the Tudors, not the
standard stuff.  In the 16th century, costume wasn't
as we take it for granted now. In, say, a dress, the
sleeves were separate, the skirt was separate and the
whole thing was held together by a series of ties or
aglets (a type of super-safety pin of gold and
silver). I asked to watch the actors being dressed,
and the textures, the colours and the shapes were all
extremely well done; several costumes were entirely
authentic."

The period of Elizabeth's life is covered (from Armada
to death) next and praises the writing, saying it is a
formal style without the "horrors of" prithee and
forsooth, before detailing the process of hanging,
drawing and quartering which we will get to see in
full. Yay.

There is also a little box called "Spot the Deliberate
Mistake: David Starkey explains why, sometimes,
artistic license is better for drama than
authenticity..."  He points out that even shakespeare
messed about with facts for the purpose of his drama
and concludes "This drama is particularly dangerous
because it will look so real". We also have Elizabeth
meeting Queen Mary (of Scotland) and King James VI/I,
her successor, people sitting and wearing hats in the
royal presence and Elizabeth comforting Leicester as
he dies (although who could resist an ailing Mr
Irons?).

All in all I think the article and perhaps the
programme will be a mixed bag - I will be keen to see
the rest of the costumes, designed by Mike O'Neill
(who did Prime Suspect, David Copperfield (1999),
Charles II (2004?), Our Mutual Friend, Daniel Deronda
and North and South. Obviously the BBC period person
du jour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/charles/backstage/costume_designer.shtml
gives some insight into his process. Mr O'Neill is
shown looking at a short bejwelled bodice 'bought in
Rome' for Helen Mirren. Mr Starkey was also very
impressed with his research (photograph of large white
folder).

I'm not knowledgeable enough to spot the small things
but I'd be delighted if someone could give me examples
of a princess seam on an Elizabethan bodice - it
shouts to me of inappropriate corseting, my pet peeve.

HTH,
Katherine, who's sure the show will migrate to our
American cousins quite soon.



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