Re: [Hampshire] Printers
Epson stylus works great. Go to stinkyink.com and get non branded cheaper ink too Phillip Phillip Chandler 07464 367512 From: Hampshire on behalf of Peter Salisbury via Hampshire Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:30:51 PM To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Cc: Peter Salisbury Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Printers We use an HP X576dw in the church office with a continuous ink system. Not a cheap printer to buy (though bizarrely we had a buy one get one free offer!) but virtually free to run on a CISS and, having a stationery pagewide head, it prints as fast as it can feed the paper through. Works over the LAN or USB and the built in scanner works with Gimp, XSANE etc. Best wishes, Peter On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:22, Brad Rogers via Hampshire wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:06:44 + > Owain via Hampshire wrote: > > Hello Owain, > > >I am so regretting accepting a free HP Officejet printer. The software > >works ok, but for me part of the open source ethic is being able to use > >non OEM cartridges > > I use non-HP ink cartridges in my OfficeJet without issues. > > I know there was a time when HP silently blocked the possibility of using > non-HP cartridges, but that decision was soon reversed after a *massive* > outcry (no doubt followed by a downturn in sales) from pretty much all > quarters. All this was in late 2016, BTW. Maybe a firmware update is > in order. > > Despite the reversal, HP did not apologise for the block. Nor did they > say that they wouldn't do it again. Therefore, once you've performed a > firmware update (if applicable) I suggest you prevent your printer from > auto-updating firmware in future. > > TBH, the whole debacle seriously knocked my confidence(1) in HP. When my > current printer dies. I may well buy from another supplier with better > open-source credentials. > > (1) Possibly too strong a word. HP's Linux/open-source support is > patchy, at best. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)radnever immediately apparent" > I can't do a thing 'cause I can't relax > Independence Day - Comsat Angels > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Home server
OK Heres an update. After getting everything setup, installing cubecart, adding products etc. I couldn’t go into a product page through the browser and see product details. I posted to the cubecart forums and it was an .htaccess issue. So after going to google I found the following: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18740419/how-to-set-allowoverride-all Open Putty and log into Ubuntu Server sudo nano /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Require all granted and change it to; Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride All Require all granted Save and exit file sudo service apache2 restart sudo a2enmod rewrite to enable module rewrite. sudo systemctl restart apache2 Now the server, cubecart and all pages work spot on. Thanks Phillip From: Hampshire On Behalf Of Peter B. via Hampshire Sent: 06 June 2018 12:04 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Cc: Peter B. Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Home server Well done mate. it is a ball ache when u follow a guide and they slope off before where you want to go or change some architecture or software package half way through. If you managed to create your own guide please feel free to send it over. As sadistic as it may sound after your notes, I wanna try that. 😁 On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:57 Phillip Chandler via Hampshire, mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> > wrote: Well that was fun. I was originally running ubuntu 17.04. After trying to follow some guides I: ended up having to re-install ubuntu and start fresh, download Ubuntu 18.04 and install that, NOT setup static IP address from the install disc, mess up installing php and other stuff, re-install Ubuntu 18.04 this time setting static IP address from install, follow my guides up to the part I thought Id stuffed up, try uploading cubecart via FTP and got permission errors, googled that and worked it out, tried installing cubecart again and found out I should have created the database first and NOT assume cubecart would create it, ran mariadb from terminal and created database tried again with cubecart, got to log in to the shop admin page via browsers and added two products, pointed browser to server shop folder. And I nearly pissed myself when it actually showed up the shop front in all its glory. As Keith said, " you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document" and he was spot on. There is too much stuff out there that is sort of helpful but missing small points. Ive now got my very own cubecart shop guide and hope that it will be a useful reminder for me. And now the only way is forward. Ive now gained a better insight into Linux. I still don’t know a lot, you guys have probably forgotten more than I know, but then we only learn what we need to do our own little thing. Im glad I stuck it out. Phillip -Original Message- From: Hampshire mailto:hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk> > On Behalf Of Keith Edmunds via Hampshire Sent: 03 June 2018 20:08 To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> Cc: Keith Edmunds mailto:k...@midnighthax.com> > Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Home server On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:38:05 +0100, hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> said: > So is there a real simple idiots guide to setting up php and a mysql > database ? Start with: # apt install apache2 libapache2-mod-php php-mysql mariadb-client mariadb-server (MariaDB is a replacement for MySQL). Then try to get your application working. Any problems, comes back to the list (you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document). -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Home server
Hello Everyone. Sent my howto guide and got an email back saying it was too big, and had to be approved by the moderator. What Ive done now is create a PDF and uploaded it to my own website http://www.elvis-online.co.uk/wblug/Ubuntu%201804%20Server%20and%20Cubcart.pdf So if anyone wants to have a look and give some feedback, then help yourselves. Thanks Phillip From: Hampshire On Behalf Of Peter B. via Hampshire Sent: 06 June 2018 12:04 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List Cc: Peter B. Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Home server Well done mate. it is a ball ache when u follow a guide and they slope off before where you want to go or change some architecture or software package half way through. If you managed to create your own guide please feel free to send it over. As sadistic as it may sound after your notes, I wanna try that. 😁 On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:57 Phillip Chandler via Hampshire, mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> > wrote: Well that was fun. I was originally running ubuntu 17.04. After trying to follow some guides I: ended up having to re-install ubuntu and start fresh, download Ubuntu 18.04 and install that, NOT setup static IP address from the install disc, mess up installing php and other stuff, re-install Ubuntu 18.04 this time setting static IP address from install, follow my guides up to the part I thought Id stuffed up, try uploading cubecart via FTP and got permission errors, googled that and worked it out, tried installing cubecart again and found out I should have created the database first and NOT assume cubecart would create it, ran mariadb from terminal and created database tried again with cubecart, got to log in to the shop admin page via browsers and added two products, pointed browser to server shop folder. And I nearly pissed myself when it actually showed up the shop front in all its glory. As Keith said, " you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document" and he was spot on. There is too much stuff out there that is sort of helpful but missing small points. Ive now got my very own cubecart shop guide and hope that it will be a useful reminder for me. And now the only way is forward. Ive now gained a better insight into Linux. I still don’t know a lot, you guys have probably forgotten more than I know, but then we only learn what we need to do our own little thing. Im glad I stuck it out. Phillip -Original Message- From: Hampshire mailto:hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk> > On Behalf Of Keith Edmunds via Hampshire Sent: 03 June 2018 20:08 To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> Cc: Keith Edmunds mailto:k...@midnighthax.com> > Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Home server On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:38:05 +0100, hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> said: > So is there a real simple idiots guide to setting up php and a mysql > database ? Start with: # apt install apache2 libapache2-mod-php php-mysql mariadb-client mariadb-server (MariaDB is a replacement for MySQL). Then try to get your application working. Any problems, comes back to the list (you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document). -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Home server
Well that was fun. I was originally running ubuntu 17.04. After trying to follow some guides I: ended up having to re-install ubuntu and start fresh, download Ubuntu 18.04 and install that, NOT setup static IP address from the install disc, mess up installing php and other stuff, re-install Ubuntu 18.04 this time setting static IP address from install, follow my guides up to the part I thought Id stuffed up, try uploading cubecart via FTP and got permission errors, googled that and worked it out, tried installing cubecart again and found out I should have created the database first and NOT assume cubecart would create it, ran mariadb from terminal and created database tried again with cubecart, got to log in to the shop admin page via browsers and added two products, pointed browser to server shop folder. And I nearly pissed myself when it actually showed up the shop front in all its glory. As Keith said, " you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document" and he was spot on. There is too much stuff out there that is sort of helpful but missing small points. Ive now got my very own cubecart shop guide and hope that it will be a useful reminder for me. And now the only way is forward. Ive now gained a better insight into Linux. I still don’t know a lot, you guys have probably forgotten more than I know, but then we only learn what we need to do our own little thing. Im glad I stuck it out. Phillip -Original Message- From: Hampshire On Behalf Of Keith Edmunds via Hampshire Sent: 03 June 2018 20:08 To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Cc: Keith Edmunds Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Home server On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:38:05 +0100, hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > So is there a real simple idiots guide to setting up php and a mysql > database ? Start with: # apt install apache2 libapache2-mod-php php-mysql mariadb-client mariadb-server (MariaDB is a replacement for MySQL). Then try to get your application working. Any problems, comes back to the list (you'll learn far more by trying it than by simply following an online document). -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] No WPA2 option in Jaunty
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 21:13 +0100, Chris Dennis wrote: > Rob Malpass wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Totally fed up with Windows on my laptop (Toshiba Tecra so quite old) > > I've just installed Jaunty. Very impressed with it booting properly, > > picking up sound, screen res and even my wireless card. It can see > > several wireless networks including my own but sadly it's fallen at the > > final hurdle. > > > > My wireless lan uses WPA2 and there's no such option in network manager > > - only wep and something called LEAP which I've never heard of. I've > > tried them all and no surprise - no dice.. Sorry if this is a bit old > > - but anyone know a workaround. My install disk was a LXF coverDVD so > > presumably has the full package list on it. > > > > Cheers > > Rob > > > > Have you toyed with wpa_supplicant? > > There appears to be a GUI for it at http://packages.ubunut.com/jaunty/wpagui > > If network-manager isn't working, you could try Wicd > (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/), which I prefer. > > cheers > > Chris I'll second wicd as I use it as well, but as chris said you need wpa_supplicant to be installed. Thanks Phillip -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] debian lenny and an ubuntu question.
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 17:30 +0100, Vic wrote: > >> ITYF that was the point... > >> > > Noo ... > > Look up. > > See that thing, way up there? Directly over your head? > > That was Lisi's comment... > > Vic. > > Was I replying to Lisi comment, or to your comment of "ITYF that was the point" ? Gee this is a hard one ? My post was after your post, so I must have been replying to your post. If it had been directly below Lisi's point, then I would have been replying to her. See the Name directly above my post ? Thats the person Im sarcastically replying to, and not to anyone else. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] debian lenny and an ubuntu question.
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 17:13 +0100, Vic wrote: > >> Erm... And we all speak European, I take it? > >> > > Whats "European" ? Never heard of that language. > > ITYF that was the point... > > Vic. > > Noo ... The point is if he'd googled, or even bothered to look, then he would have found out what ubuntu meant, and then not come out with a naff comment about what the word was about, or who decided to use it. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] debian lenny and an ubuntu question.
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 17:06 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 20 June 2009 17:40:05 Phillip Chandler wrote: > > He obviously doesnt speak African > > Erm... And we all speak European, I take it? > > Lisi > Whats "European" ? Never heard of that language. Ive heard of English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, French, German, Latvian, Dutch, and whatever language we come out with on a friday night, after a skin full. But never heard of european as a language. The guy was asking "Who chose such a IMHO stupid name [ubuntu]", which in my book is asking for a sarcastic remark. Someone having a "Humble Opinion" is one thing, but did I want to know he thought it was stupid ? I was mearly pointing out what "Ubuntu" meant. So now he knows what it means, does he still think its a stupid name ? Probably ! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] debian lenny and an ubuntu question.
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 17:40 +0100, Phillip Chandler wrote: > On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 16:34 +0100, Sean Gibbins wrote: > > Isaac Close wrote: > > > hello there, > > > > > > I installed debian lenny. Then i did it again on another machine. After > > > that, another installation, another machine. Again another installation > > > and suddenly i'm a debian user. I only chose to install it for the > > > toolchain but stuck around because i was able to do all of my work with > > > it. > > > > > > Who chose such a IMHO stupid name [ubuntu] for what could be the linux > > > distro to dominate the universe as we know it ? > > > > > > thank you for your time, patience and brain space, > > > > > > Isaac. > > > > What's in a name? > > > > Sean > > > > -- > > www.funkygibbins.me.uk > > > > > He obviously doesnt speak African, then he'd know it means "Humanity to > others" or there abouts. I personanly dont give a rats about the name, > as long as it does what i want. I mean, I would use a distro called > "A**H**E" but the chances of that happening are pretty slim. > My last post should have read "I would NOT use a distro called" -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] debian lenny and an ubuntu question.
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 16:34 +0100, Sean Gibbins wrote: > Isaac Close wrote: > > hello there, > > > > I installed debian lenny. Then i did it again on another machine. After > > that, another installation, another machine. Again another installation and > > suddenly i'm a debian user. I only chose to install it for the toolchain > > but stuck around because i was able to do all of my work with it. > > > > Who chose such a IMHO stupid name [ubuntu] for what could be the linux > > distro to dominate the universe as we know it ? > > > > thank you for your time, patience and brain space, > > > > Isaac. > > What's in a name? > > Sean > > -- > www.funkygibbins.me.uk > > He obviously doesnt speak African, then he'd know it means "Humanity to others" or there abouts. I personanly dont give a rats about the name, as long as it does what i want. I mean, I would use a distro called "A**H**E" but the chances of that happening are pretty slim. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:50 +0100, pavithran wrote: > 2009/6/14 Phillip Chandler : > > On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 13:58 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > > > > As an MS user, O/S and software, I can tell you, hand on heart and my £20 > > in the pot, > > that OO is more bloated than MS Office, so quit trying to con me that its > > not, Ive done the > > homework on my machine, and if needed can come along and demonstrate. > > The lot of you can sprout your big fancy dictionary rubbish all day. > > > > Heres what you do. Go into synaptic, select all of the OO progs, and > > just see the total MB at the bottom that your system is going to remove. > > I can tell you that MS Office is, at worst, only 2/3 the size. > > > > How really cares about 20 -100 MB difference these days ? Can't you > afford a 20 GB hard disk :P I do, when I have a 30 gig HDD, and I have to listen to the Debian mentality of "Use xyz or pee off back to windows.", Ive had this from a diehard. > > I had my watch counting the seconds that it took to load OO writer, then > > did the same with MS Word under Crossover, and it was definitely more > > than 5 seconds, which might not sound a lot, but its the fact. > > > Please use windows. There is no future for crossover or wine . Both of > them will break the machines. We dont want people complaining my so > and so game crashed the system .. ubuntu sucks .. WTF Why should I use windows ? Crossover works great for me ! > > But not everyone > > has the latest and greatest hardware, and sure dont have the obvious > > funds that you may have to upgrade. Freedom of choice only works so far, > > XP Office works faster and better for me under linux, than OO. > > > FYI I come from India (3rd world :P ).. and many of us are happily > using Open Office . I am also glad to say that many corporates are > removing MS office since OO satisfies their basic needs . > > expected to use it with linux. Debian users might think that "Real Linux > > Users use FOSS, and nothing else", but I dont. > Agree , After all it's your machine , time and resources and finally > its you who has to gain from the productivity the machine gives . > I also agree that OO has long way to go . Let's help OO and I wish all > of us post feature requests and file bugs to the Quality assurance > team . > > My small opinion on OO: Here is a project which is trying to mimic a > M$ product which is closed. How do you expect .doc or .docx files to > work perfectly ? But still OO is trying to do its level best . Be > happy that you are freely (cost and freedom) able to open a > propreitary standard doc,ppt etc and are able to edit it (not > perfectly) and save it in the same format,export to free formats like > ODP and other formats like PDF,HTML etc . > > As LUG people it's our duty to spread the usage of Open documents (ODP > ) . Also provide a PDF file for non - OO users as non-OO users dont > deserve to edit the file :P > > > If I want a stable, secure system with dvd playback and an office that I > > dont have to scratch waiting for it to load, and I have to pay whatever > > to get that, then I will willingly pay for the privilege. But then a > > system is only as secure as the competence of the end user. > > >> By trying to improve this they need our help. Your comments will prevent > >> people even trying open office as it is not as bad as you make out. OO > >> is at v3, MS office is v10 (or 11?). It will improve the more people and > >> companies use it, but it is far from crap. > >> > Guys please stop crying over the list . Start complaining and file > bugs. The open office quality assurance team needs you desparately . > If you really care about Free as in Freedom .. and if you want things > to improve in free software go to > http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html > > > This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended > > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views > May be confidential ? LOL dude you are posting to a *mailing list* :P > And please use short footers. > Regards, > Pavithran > > -- > pavithran sakamuri > www.pavithran.org > Disclaimer : just for this mail .. M$ I am doing negative promotion > don't sue me.. this is Europe . Your stupid jurisdiction is in America > $$$ > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Phillip Chandler phillip.chand.
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 13:58 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > >>>> The majority of people will find OO good enough to use > >>> That's just an assertion. > >> No,it isn't. > > > > Yes it is. An assertion is: "Something declared or stated positively, > > often with no support or attempt at proof." Show me the support or > > attempt at proof in your original statement and I will retract my > > claim that it is 'just' an assertion. > > > > This is not a thesis and some things are obvious and don't need proving > to LUG users. OO is well used and we all know what it is. So is star > office. You are completely aware of that so stop playing childish word > games. > > > > >> Documents created in OO don't crash. > > > > Yes they do. Categorically. I have concrete experience of exactly > > this problem with small to medium sized spreadsheets that were created > > in oocalc crashing, causing the system to hang, and taking 20 minutes > > to recover from a crash or open in the first place. This is using a > > wide range of releases and versions including Debian Stable, CentOS, > > and the current release running under OSX. > > Are you talking about the current version 3? I'm sure would it still > recovered the document, which may cause some concern, but at least you > could carry on working. > > > > >> I'm sure Mac software has similar problems with MS office docs. > > > > Probably. But that wasn't my concern. > > > >> The other issue is user familiarity of MS office. Just because OO > >> doesn't exactly mirror MS office doesn't mean it is crap. > > > > Straw man. When did I claim that? As a person who makes a living out > > of recommending and migrating people to services built around open > > source software, you may assume I understand that software isn't crap > > because it is not an exact clone of some other iece of software > > someone else uses. > > Did I say you claimed that? I was making a point about MS users having > no patience with alternatives. They seem to forget all the previous > bloated, bugged MS software they had to live with in the past. As an MS user, O/S and software, I can tell you, hand on heart and my £20 in the pot, that OO is more bloated than MS Office, so quit trying to con me that its not, Ive done the homework on my machine, and if needed can come along and demonstrate. The lot of you can sprout your big fancy dictionary rubbish all day. Heres what you do. Go into synaptic, select all of the OO progs, and just see the total MB at the bottom that your system is going to remove. I can tell you that MS Office is, at worst, only 2/3 the size. I had my watch counting the seconds that it took to load OO writer, then did the same with MS Word under Crossover, and it was definitely more than 5 seconds, which might not sound a lot, but its the fact. As I said before, you with your nice, shiney new dual core, 2.6ghz speed with 4 gig ram and a 500mb HDD, or what ever it is that you have, may not be bothered about the shear size of OO compared to MS Office XP, they may be just as quick to load on your nice machine. But not everyone has the latest and greatest hardware, and sure dont have the obvious funds that you may have to upgrade. Freedom of choice only works so far, XP Office works faster and better for me under linux, than OO. But I can agree with you on one point, whole heartedly, 100%. I dont have patience for alternatives. Im sure not going to go with a naff product, free or otherwise, thats bloated and slow, just because Im expected to use it with linux. Debian users might think that "Real Linux Users use FOSS, and nothing else", but I dont. If I want a stable, secure system with dvd playback and an office that I dont have to scratch waiting for it to load, and I have to pay whatever to get that, then I will willingly pay for the privilege. But then a system is only as secure as the competence of the end user. > > > > Let me restate: Openoffice is bloated and unstable. I discussed this > > with some of the project leads at Fosdem, and all they could do was > > look sheepish and nod and say "we're trying to improve things". > > By trying to improve this they need our help. Your comments will prevent > people even trying open office as it is not as bad as you make out. OO > is at v3, MS office is v10 (or 11?). It will improve the more people and > companies use it, but it is far from crap. > > > -- > -- > Discover Linux - Open Source Sol
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
> > I have never used M$Office but my wife has Office2000 and it causes her > no end of grief because it won't 'allow' her to do things the way she > wants but has a will of its own. She would have preferred to go on using > WordPerfect which like me she had got used to using at work back in the > days when it was _the_ word processor of choice for many businesses and > Word was just a "johnny come lately" I started reading your post, and was rather impress with what you had to say, up to the point where you had to use "M$Office" rather than plain old "MSoffice". Whether you like or hate MS, I firmly believe that they have helped get computers get where they are today. Their OS was always advertised as being for the masses, and that means so dumbed down that even a monkey can use it. I also believe that they are their own worst enemy, in the sense that as so many people use MS products, then the hackers are going to invest in finding hacks for MS, to make a fast profit and run. Hackers wont invest time and money in linux desktop OS's for two reasons, A) Amount of users they can target, and B) Money they could gain. Im one of those who uses MS for work, and Linux for home. I try and refrain from using terms like Microshaft or M$Soft, because if I really wanted to use them, then Id be a 15 yr old Ubuntu user just using linux for bragging rights, and to show off to my mates every 6 months, at the latest beta release from canonical. Id be installing every release and not actually using my machine productively. Sod it, I need a coffee and a smoke, as Im getting outta my tree here. :-)) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 23:12 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > Phillip Chandler wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:38 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > >> Don't forget you need a valid MS office license to run under Crossover > >> and that doesn't mean just because you have the windows version you can > >> install another in Linux. Are you happy paying £200+ for that? > > > > Yep got that. > > And you are happy to pay £200+ plus for your MS habit? Im more than happy to pay for a product that does what I want, and is used by most (if not all) companies that I temp for, and isnt bloated. > > > > >> OO is free to download and use. OO not only supports MS formats but its > >> own document formats, Writer using the ISO standard ODT, unlike MS > >> office. It also has direct PDF export which is very useful. > > > > Dont really need PDF export, and if I do then I go online to export one > > doc every decade. > > So you send Word docs which can contain viruses? Do you virus scan > before sending? Although PDFs may have exploits they are still safer > than Word docs and can't be altered. They are a true cross platform format You may find this hard to believe, but all MS O/S's that Ive installed, Ive only installed what Ive needed to do my work. Ive kept my system pretty clean, and have only ever been infected by viruses twice, and that was back in the days when Id download anything and didnt know better. I also disable java, javascript etc by default. If I go to a web site that needs flash, then I dont worry about staying there long enough. Plus I would regularly scan my system, and always scan stuff I receive from "Friends". > > > >> The majority of people will find OO good enough to use and its startup > >> speed will improve as it is being improved all the time. > >> > >> For those who think MS office or OO are too bloated, well suggest an > >> alternative rather than saying both are rubbish. We all need to use > >> something to compose letters, create spreadsheets and presentations and > >> I'm very happy with OO for that. > >> > > Abiword ? > > > > > Abiword only provides basic word processing and can't be compared with a > full office suite. Most companies need to compose letter, spreadsheets > and presentations. Most users of word, abiword, OO or anything else would only use less than 50% of the functions included. Most home users writing a standard letter, will only use things like BOLD, Justification etc. So from that point of view, then yes all letter writing programs are bloated. If you are just writing a standard letter to Aunty Mildred in South Australia, then why use a computer ? Why not use pen and paper, that surely isnt as bloated as an office suite. In fact whats wrong with gedit or a text editor ? AFAIK if anyone uses 50%+ of office suite fuctions, then they are doing a specific job. I worked for one company and the database manager would write scripts to extract data from a database, and append it to the end of a spreadsheet etc, plus create daily reports about what data was extracted, added and what it was for. I think its all down to choice. I dont have a fast machine, so cant afford to have slow, bloated stuff taking up valuable HDD space or system resources. Thats why I prefer MS Office to OO. If I was lucky enough (like some of you) who had dual core, quad core systems, with the top amount of memory, and maybe a HDD over 500MB, then I wouldnt worry, as Id have the space, and the system power to still run stuff faster than it would on my system. > > -- > -- > Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools > http://discoverlinux.co.uk > ------ > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Phillip Chandler phillip.chand...@ntlworld.com Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:38 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > Phillip Chandler wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 13:07 +0100, Hugo Mills wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:59:51PM +0100, Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Damian Brasher > >>> wrote: > >>>> Some of you may know this, anti-aliasing has been available since 7th > >>>> May. > >>>> Great news and I am already getting stuck in to some new illustrations. > >>> Is it still a bloated an unstable pile of crap? > >>Their aims appear to be to reproduce MS Office exactly, so yes. > > > > Ive never found MS Office to be bloated. But then all Ive needed is > > Word, Excel and Outlook. Im currently running Those three MS products > > under Crossover & Ubuntu 9.04, and found that they are only 197mb > > install, whereas OO is roundabout the 350-400mb size, and OO doesnt > > include email which is extra (Evolution). Plus MS runs faster under > > Crossover compared to the OO alternatives, by a minimum of at least 4 > > seconds. > > > > Ive never heard of anti-aliasing (thingy) and my post is probably > > pointless and not worth reading. MS in the context of what your > > discussing probably is bloated. But I wanted to point out that MS > > Office, in the general scheme of things, is actually better than OO, if > > you are just looking for Word and Excel. But then everything has its > > good points, and bad points too. > > > > Now your all wondering whether 4 seconds is worth it, but then that > > depends on your sex, and what your minds are thinking of at the > > time. :-) > > > > > Don't forget you need a valid MS office license to run under Crossover > and that doesn't mean just because you have the windows version you can > install another in Linux. Are you happy paying £200+ for that? Yep got that. > > OO is free to download and use. OO not only supports MS formats but its > own document formats, Writer using the ISO standard ODT, unlike MS > office. It also has direct PDF export which is very useful. Dont really need PDF export, and if I do then I go online to export one doc every decade. > > The majority of people will find OO good enough to use and its startup > speed will improve as it is being improved all the time. > > For those who think MS office or OO are too bloated, well suggest an > alternative rather than saying both are rubbish. We all need to use > something to compose letters, create spreadsheets and presentations and > I'm very happy with OO for that. > Abiword ? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] OOo 3.1 supports anti-aliasing
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 13:07 +0100, Hugo Mills wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:59:51PM +0100, Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Damian Brasher > > wrote: > > > Some of you may know this, anti-aliasing has been available since 7th May. > > > Great news and I am already getting stuck in to some new illustrations. > > > > Is it still a bloated an unstable pile of crap? > >Their aims appear to be to reproduce MS Office exactly, so yes. Ive never found MS Office to be bloated. But then all Ive needed is Word, Excel and Outlook. Im currently running Those three MS products under Crossover & Ubuntu 9.04, and found that they are only 197mb install, whereas OO is roundabout the 350-400mb size, and OO doesnt include email which is extra (Evolution). Plus MS runs faster under Crossover compared to the OO alternatives, by a minimum of at least 4 seconds. Ive never heard of anti-aliasing (thingy) and my post is probably pointless and not worth reading. MS in the context of what your discussing probably is bloated. But I wanted to point out that MS Office, in the general scheme of things, is actually better than OO, if you are just looking for Word and Excel. But then everything has its good points, and bad points too. Now your all wondering whether 4 seconds is worth it, but then that depends on your sex, and what your minds are thinking of at the time. :-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ergo Microlite xl 1.4Ghz
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:51 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > Hi, > > Making sure the BIOS was up to date was going to be my next suggestion. If > the machine is locking at boot then it could well be BIOS related and I was > hoping they might have fixed it. > > Did you run the memory tester on the Ubuntu boot menu just to check your RAM > is OK? > > Cheers, > Paul. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device Hiya Paul Yep I tested the memory, was OK but 256mb is pretty small amount. Im currently installing Ubuntu alternative, I set acpi to off and it seems to be working. Hopefully will do the trick. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ergo Microlite xl 1.4Ghz
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 16:49 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 09 June 2009 09:58:29 Phillip Chandler wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 21:43 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > > > Hi Philip, > > > > > > Did you mean 7.10 (Gutsy) or 8.10 (Intrepid)? Things have moved on a long > > > way since Gutsy and Intrepid wasn't one of Ubuntu's high points IMHO. > > > > > > I would download 9.04 (Jaunty) which IMO is a lot better than 8.10 before > > > writing off the hardware as non-friendly. If you don't have any joy I > > > would try adding one of more of "noapic", "nolapic" and "noacpi" to the > > > boot options and see if those help. > > > > > > Has the machine got the latest BIOS? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Paul. > > > > The funny thing here is that I used 8.0.4 which wouldnt connect to my > > wireless (wpa), had to use ndiswrapper for the drivers, but I still had > > grief with trying to connect. > > 9.04 found my wireless card and wouldnt connect, but was really slow on > > my machine (Dell Inspiron 1.2 with 512mb ram). > > > > Im now using Debian 5.0.1 which natively found my wireless card and > > actually got upset, because I told it off for connecting to my wireless > > within 3 seconds. The only problem I have with Debian is xorg crashes, > > but thats another story. > > > > But back to the other laptop. I got it from Freecycle, I traded other > > computer gear for it. The local school upgraded and had 3 to get rid of. > > This was the fastest and the only one with memory. A local computer chap > > recycles gear from companies / schools who wish to have their gear > > reused rather than dumped in the ground. > > > > Ive tried other ISO images ranging from Mandriva 2008, Debian 5, Ubuntu > > 8.04 and none seem to want to boot and do anything. > > > > I'll try Ubuntu 9.04 and see if thats happy with the laptop. > > You might have trouble running the Live CD in 256MB RAM. But the alternate > install CD would probably be fine. > > Lisi > Hi Lisi Im taking your advice and downloading the alternative 9.04, so will give that a try first, otherwise go for DSL which Chris suggested. I think Paul may have asked if it had the latest bios. Sorry Paul but Im not brave enough to muck about with Bios, or even Bios flashing etc, if flashing the bios was going to be your next suggestion. :-)) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ergo Microlite xl 1.4Ghz
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 21:43 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > Hi Philip, > > Did you mean 7.10 (Gutsy) or 8.10 (Intrepid)? Things have moved on a long way > since Gutsy and Intrepid wasn't one of Ubuntu's high points IMHO. > > I would download 9.04 (Jaunty) which IMO is a lot better than 8.10 before > writing off the hardware as non-friendly. If you don't have any joy I would > try adding one of more of "noapic", "nolapic" and "noacpi" to the boot > options and see if those help. > > Has the machine got the latest BIOS? > > Cheers, > Paul. The funny thing here is that I used 8.0.4 which wouldnt connect to my wireless (wpa), had to use ndiswrapper for the drivers, but I still had grief with trying to connect. 9.04 found my wireless card and wouldnt connect, but was really slow on my machine (Dell Inspiron 1.2 with 512mb ram). Im now using Debian 5.0.1 which natively found my wireless card and actually got upset, because I told it off for connecting to my wireless within 3 seconds. The only problem I have with Debian is xorg crashes, but thats another story. But back to the other laptop. I got it from Freecycle, I traded other computer gear for it. The local school upgraded and had 3 to get rid of. This was the fastest and the only one with memory. A local computer chap recycles gear from companies / schools who wish to have their gear reused rather than dumped in the ground. Ive tried other ISO images ranging from Mandriva 2008, Debian 5, Ubuntu 8.04 and none seem to want to boot and do anything. I'll try Ubuntu 9.04 and see if thats happy with the laptop. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ergo Microlite xl 1.4Ghz
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 22:01 +0100, Sean Gibbins wrote: > Phillip Chandler wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Has anyone had any fun with the above laptop ? Just picked one up 2nd > > hand, tried booting off a Ubuntu 7.10 CD. > > > > ---8<--- > > > Im now installing Win XP which has formatted the HDD and is now copying > > files. So wondered if these Ergo machines were not very happy to be near > > linux ? > > > Or perhaps they weren't happy with Ubuntu when 7.10 was current - worth > trying the 9.04 live CD maybe? The operative word being "Ubuntu" :-) Its only got 256mb ram at the moment, so hence why I tried 7.10, less gui girly compiz stuff to slow it down. But I'll try a 9.04 live cd tomorrow as you suggest. > > Sean > > > -- > www.funkygibbins.me.uk > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Ergo Microlite xl 1.4Ghz
Hi All Has anyone had any fun with the above laptop ? Just picked one up 2nd hand, tried booting off a Ubuntu 7.10 CD. It gets as far as the menu for the typical options like :- Running from CD Installing, test memory OEM install etc. After selecting the options to either run from CD or Install the laptop hangs and nothing else happens. Im now installing Win XP which has formatted the HDD and is now copying files. So wondered if these Ergo machines were not very happy to be near linux ? Thanks -- Phillip Chandler phillip.chand...@ntlworld.com Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] sigs, was Godwin's law
Talking of social networking & this list as well. Another point here is that emails have no emotion attached to them. I can have an idea of what to put down in an email, based on my SOH and mood, and personal view at the time. The email gets transmitted, and then the email gets recompiled by the reader(s) who then interpret what was written according to their own ways of thinking, SOH and mood(s) at the time. But the biggest problem is that as you're not actually stood in front of the person who sent the email, you've no idea if they are joking or being serious, due to not seeing their facial expressions etc. Even if you know the sender, do you know them well enough to know if the email was intended to be funny, or serious ? Another major factor is both local language barriers, like differences in the whole UK, and even worse, language barriers of the rest of the world. An Indian lady runs a shop near by where I live, Ive known her for years, lovely as hell, but the Indian accent is still (40%) hard to understand. Her two sons speak better English than I do. And thankfully she has dragged her sons up to be really friendly and polite and great to get on with. Her only problem is her husband who she is divorcing, and trying to get rid of. Hence why I try to write an email in a text editor first, read it three times minimum, correct any errors, change a saying if I think it may offend, and then send it. But no matter what you do, there is always going to be someone who takes offence with any email you write. Now talking of being geeky. I hates football, rugby & cricket. Ive done the getting drunk down the pub, done the cattle market, (sorry nightclub), I hates the current fashion and music. I like hobbies that are not the norm, like 3 day eventing. My music tastes include Elvis, Garth Brooks, 60's, classical, Neil Diamond etc. So to most "normal" people Im a boring old git, so once they bug me about what I do, they then think "He's a geek, lets get out of here" hence why I only mix with people who share the same type of hobbies or have the same kind of humour and music tastes. I dont go out of my way to get to know people outside of my own social network, because whats the point, my life isnt about facebook, Im not for having "friends" just for the sake of looking popular, or having a large social network. I try to hold conversations about some non IT subjects, but a major part of my life is computer related, so thats what my life revolves around. My small circle of friends offer quality time due to being able to have chats about hobbies and music that we all share. I fail to see the point of talking about football and latest fashion just to have another "Friend" when those two subjects bore the hell outta me ? Now I'll shut up and go get the kettle on, anyone for tea ? On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 12:43 +, b.stevens...@btinternet.com wrote: > oh for goodness sake. read my original email properly and you will see i was > not comparing the atrocities committed by the nazis to the theft of public > money. i was comparing the mindset of two sets of people who used flimsy > excuses to justify their actions. > > regards > > bryan > > --- On Sun, 31/5/09, Graham Bleach wrote: > > > From: Graham Bleach > > Subject: Re: [Hampshire] sigs, was Godwin's law > > To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > > Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 9:08 AM > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:59:49AM > > +0100, b.stevens...@btinternet.com > > wrote: > > > So... It's ok to be sanctimonious and patronise people > > but not ok to > > > call people on it? > > > Hmmm... > > > > No, both of those things are fine by me. I just don't think > > that's whwat > > happened. > > > > > It was an OT thread about godwin's law. I was trying > > to have a laugh > > > when graham took exception to what i said about MPs. I > > called him on his > > > holier than thou attitude and now a bunch of you have > > your knickers in a > > > twist. > > > > I understand that you are rightfully pissed off about MPs > > claiming for > > ridiculous expenses. I am pissed off about that too. I just > > don't > > believe that it bears any comparison with Hitler. That is > > literally all > > I said. > > > > By saying that fiddling expenses is not as bad as the > > actions of the > > Nazis, I am not saying that fiddling expenses is not bad. > > Fiddling > > expenses and appropriating taxpayers' money is definitely > > bad. I hope > > that clears up any confusion on the subject. > > > > The reason I responded to your original mail is that by > > making these > > sort of trivial comparisons I think the magnitude of the > > Nazi crimes > > gets diminished in our heads. > > > > > Still, graham... What more could i expect from someone > > who describes > > > the wholesale theft of millions of pounds of taxpayers > > money as > > > "opportunist expenses claims"? Are you sure you're not > > related to an MP? > > > :-) > > > > Ha, I do believe it was theft and I
Re: [Hampshire] JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 21:25 +0100, John Cooper wrote: > Tony Whitmore wrote: > > Rik, > > > > Rik wrote: > >> The apt response to this is YOU > > > > This behaviour and language is totally inappropriate for a LUG and > > mailing list which tries to be a welcoming and accepting place. I > > sincerely hope that no-one trying to get an impression of Hampshire LUG > > sees your reaction and assumes the general character of the LUG to be > > aligned with your behaviour. > > > > Maybe there are things we don't know behind your outburst (it seems you > > have been awake since the small hours this morning, for example) but > > unless an apology is forthcoming, it feels appropriate that the > > necessary steps given in section 9.4 of the constitution be implemented. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tony Whitmore > > > In support of what Rik actually said, ie. the post clearly had JOB in > the title to allow filtering, I don't see he needs to apologise for > using a strong tone in answering the initial response. I took it as him > being annoyed. I wouldn't personally use the word Nazi, but perhaps > younger people do use it and our use of words is constantly changing > with each generation. > > John. Being one of those members who likes to read the posts, and gain knowledge from others answering questions, but not yet experienced enough to offer advice on most linux OS topics. But Im one of those who believes that certain words dont lose their meaning with each new generation. Other detrimental words could be "Paki" "Nigger" "Faggot" "Polak" "Kike" "Towel Head" etc. Rik himself is the only one who really knows if the word "Nazi" was really needed for his opinion. But, alas, I feel that he should have kept that to himself, and my impression of some of the other replies, is that other lug members may feel the same. Sorry to have a dig at you Rik, if you wanna tell me to butt out and get more informed, please feel free to email me direct, just help me to understand, job postings really wasnt "That" bad was it ? In the age of the web, and "You've been Denzelled" etc, stuff tends to outlive people and then gets turned around. > -- > -- > Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools > http://discoverlinux.co.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Let the Battle Commence
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:37 +, alan c wrote: > Tony Whitmore wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:47:58 +, alan c > > wrote: > >> Stephen Davies wrote: > >>> Well, Microshaft has gone and done it > >>> > >>> > > http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_sues_TomTom_over_patents_in_case_with_Linux_subplot_40305732.html > >>> > >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/microsoft_tomtom/ > >>> > >>> Right, > >>> time to get the beer in and settle down to watch the sparks fly > >> > >> Is anyone (with big money) supporting tom tom, or do they have a > >> donations collection? > > > > TomTom are not poor! OK, they don't have Microsoft's funds, but they are a > > commercial organisation selling a popular product. I'm sure that advice > > from the various Free Software legal bodies will be forthcoming but I > > wouldn't worry about their ability to defend themselves. I'd be more > > worried about the outcome of the case. > > you might find this interesting if not reassuring: > > Two Quick Words About Microsoft v. TomTom: Think Bilski > http://www.tectonic.co.za/?page_id=2754&bid=5417 > > and it leads to > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090226070041454 > > if you read more deeply you see a clear possibility that some already > weak patents may be washed away. > "Microsoft filed suit against TomTom today, alleging that the in-car navigation company's devices violate eight of its patents -- including three that relate to TomTom's implementation of the Linux kernel." The only problem here is that wouldnt Microsoft now have to take on the Linux community as well ? Seeing as they claim tomtom "including three that relate to TomTom's implementation of the Linux kernel" MS doesnt own the copyright to the linux kernel, so are they suing tomtom on Torvalds behalf ? I know theres a lot of hot air between linux and MS about some code. Im sure its MS saying Linux has some MS code. Someone correct me here. But if MS wanna do tomtom re the linux kernel, then MS will have to prove that there is MS code in the linux kernel. And if MS cant prove that, then both tomtom and the linux community will be having a big party, because MS will then have no more hot air to throw at Linux. Or am I missing some simple point here, like MS is hoping that tomtom will back down and cough up lots of dollars to MS. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK Government backs open source?
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 01:43 +, Stuart Sears wrote: > Phillip Chandler wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:06 +, Simon Capstick wrote: > >> Does anyone believe the government will actually follow through > >> with this one? > >> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7910110.stm > >> > >> Simon > > > > You must have missed this bit : > > > > "Open source software will be adopted "when it delivers best value > > for money", the government said.". > > Have you read the actual document this refers to? > > http://www.cio.gov.uk/documents/open_source/090224opensource.pdf > > I particularly like this part: > > > The Government will, wherever possible, avoid becoming locked in to > proprietary software. In particular it will take exit, rebid and rebuild > costs into account in procurement decisions and will require those > proposing proprietary software to specify how exit would be achieved. > > > ...that sounds remarkably like a commitment to open standards to me, or > at least taking the cost of migration into consideration when deploying > non-O/S software. That may well affect the 'value for money' criterion. > > If this opens the door for more open standards, then marvellous. > > Game On. > > oh and this bit: > > > Where there is no significant overall cost difference between open and > non-open source products, open source will be selected on the basis of > its additional inherent flexibility. > > > just one more, I can't help myself :) > > > [...] Where appropriate, general purpose software developed for > government will be released on an open source basis. > > > > Thats a cop-out clause. > > No, it's not. It's paraphrased/quoted at best. I am not a government > apologist, but this is a remarkable step forward and very positive. > > All that's really required is that they assess open source solutions > in the same context as closed source and that they justify how they > eventually spend our money. This can only be a good thing. They are not > promising to change all their desktops to Linux (or any other open > source O/S). In fact I would be absolutely gobsmacked if they ever did. > > > Ive used Linux for quite a while, and thankfully picked up a lot of > > stuff. > > > > But what support do you have for Linux ? > > > 1) - Forums. > > Not at a professional level, for anything beyond the simplest things. > Besides, google first :) > > In large organisations, it's 'call the helpdesk'. > > > 2) - Canonical Paid-for support. > > *ahem*. Linux does not only mean *buntu. > Canonical provide just one of the many options. > > Red Hat support services are in general excellent > Admittedly I'm biased, I work for the company, but I do speak to a lot > of customers. :). > Then there's Novell (and of course, even Oracle these days). > Plus anyone else who wants in, but those are the main players. > > Any proper Enterprise-level roll-out provides some form of paid support, > SLAs and so on, if only to cover somebody's a***. It mitigates the risks. > With Open Source, that's usually most of what you pay for (that and ISV > / OEM certifications etc etc). > > > 3) - Your IT department if they are savvy enough about Linux. > > They are in many public sector organisations above a certain size. > Perhaps not at the school IT technician level (although in some cases, > perhaps even there). > Once again, this is why we have support agreements and escalation > procedures. > > Just my 2p worth. I could go on. In fact I have. > > Flame-retardant suit at the ready. :) > My last comment. We are talking about the UK Government here ? Do you actually believe anything they say ? Saying they are going to use open source software is one thing, but actually going the whole hog is a diff matter. They say one thing, which has two meanings, the one we think they are saying, and the one which will be a cop out if it goes wrong or doesnt work. Id love to see it work, but on the condition that we dont get another fiasco like the NHS computer upgrade. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK Government backs open source?
On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:06 +, Simon Capstick wrote: > Does anyone believe the government will actually follow through with > this one? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7910110.stm > > Simon You must have missed this bit : "Open source software will be adopted "when it delivers best value for money", the government said.". Thats a cop-out clause. Ive used Linux for quite a while, and thankfully picked up a lot of stuff. But what support do you have for Linux ? 1) - Forums. 2) - Canonical Paid-for support. 3) - Your IT department if they are savvy enough about Linux. Its OK to post to a LUG or a distro / software forum, if the answer is a definite fix for the problem. A lot of companies (Atos Origin for one) have help desks in India, for specific help in the specific software they use. Im being a bit sceptic, as Ive seen forums where people have posted for help, and the replies have been "I did this, it worked for me and MY hardware.", or "Why use the network manager when you can try wicd.". Linux help needs to dumb down for the average office admin staff, and having worked in offices for over 9 years, Ive seen this too often. People want a computer to work, and when it goes wrong they want it fix 10 mins ago, not to have to go to a forum and get a "Maybe this will help" reply. Plus there is too much "In-House" software that would have to be ported to linux, either re-written for linux or under a VM. Ive read that Brazil, Spain and Portugal local governments have had their own distros written, and gone over to Linux to severely save money. This is fantastic news, and Id be VERY happy if a UK council decides to do the same. But if the government switches to Linux and saves millions per year, do you think that saving will filter down to us ? A) - Yes B) - No C) - Up to then you had a good argument, but now your taking the mick ! Thats my 2pence worth, probably gonna get some earache now. But it should brighten up our day(s) a bit. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Home ISPs - who's good, who's bad, who's indifferent.
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 11:54 +, Bond, Peter wrote: > As I finally need an ISP again, I thought I’d ask here. > > > > My hard requirements are pretty simple – I’d like at least 4Mbps > ADSL(2,2+?) to a BT line (I know, line length depending), 1 static IP > address, no silly bandwidth caps (as opposed to reasonable caps – > perhaps 10-20GB/month given my habit of pulling down distro ISOs) and > a max of 6 months contract. Decent service/support in the event it > becomes necessary would be good too – preferably not run by people who > will feel the need to tell me where the Start button is in Windows. > > > > So – who is good, and who is cheap? Are any both? > > > > (Zen I’ve just seen mentioned) "Good & Cheap" - Unfortunately is a contradiction of terms (LOL) Im with NTL / Virgin. Download speed normally between 800k-2.8M Per Sec, for between 20-25pounds, off peak I always get over 1 meg / sec. Never been capped yet, and I seriously download quite a few linux iso's. Never had to call tech support, thats what Ive got you lot for ! Zen, as mentioned before is ADSL & £25 per month with a capped download, of not much if your a serious downloader, ISO's etc. So those two are good. Now for the cheap : BT & Tiscali. Need I say more ? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone "know someone" at Demon?
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 11:09 +, Stephen Pelc wrote: > Vic said: > > > So before I apply for a MAC & move to a different ISP, > > does anyone have any contacts that might be able to help > > move things along? I only need them to escalate a fault, > > and it's not like the customer would mind stumping up the > > ?160-odd fee... > > Pretend it's a DNS problem and you get a techie in the UK! > > Otherwise do everything they say and then get the phone number > of the OpenReach engineer if it's a line fault. > > Raising a complaint at Demon helps. > > We had a problem that the connection failed after spring rains. > It took us two years to get the lines properly fixed. In the > end, the problem was a BT exchange fault! > > Stephen > > -- > Stephen Pelc, step...@mpeforth.com > MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time > 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England > tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691 > web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads > > Ive got a mate (just the one, but I have one), who is with Zen. Pays £25 Per Month, but the service is 100%. Gets through to someone who knows what their talking about, no script rubbish. He had problems with the Bt exchange, and Zen reported the problem, saying they were going to log it as a voice fault, and even told my mate not to mention anything about ADSL. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Clock / Weather Applet Ubuntu 8.04.1
> >Get out your calculator... > >A minute is 1/60 of a degree, and a second is 1/60 of a minute. So > 51 degrees, 24 minutes North is 51 + 24/60 degrees, or 51.4 degrees. > >Hugo. > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- Thanks Hugo. Told you it was a daft question but it worked a treat. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Clock / Weather Applet Ubuntu 8.04.1
> > When at home, for the Hordle forecast, I tend to open the front door and > step outside... > > ;-) > > Sean > > -- > The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact > mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. > Frank Zappa > > Yep nothing more reliable than sticking the old butt cheeks out the door and saying "Yep thats damn cold this morning !". -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Clock / Weather Applet Ubuntu 8.04.1
Hi Everyone. In Gnome you have the date/time applet, which now has the location/weather feature. Im in Newbury, but the only place nearest to me seems to be Farnborough (I think) and Id like to add newbury but its not in the list. You have the option of adding places if you know the Lat / Long Newbury 51°24'N 01°20'W But Im not sure how to add the details correctly. Farnbough's details for Lat & Long are : Latitude 51.28 North Longitude 0.77 West So Im going to be thick and ask the question. How would I input Newbury's details correctly ? Thanks -- Phillip Chandler phillip.chand...@ntlworld.com Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] When I'm gone?
> Is there a way of writing some sort of script, combined with a user > > account, that when/if you were to log on with this specific account, the > > script would start with admin rights and wipe your HDD's ? > > What do some of you guys have on your HDD's that you want so much to > wipe...! > -- > alan cocks > Ubuntu user #10391 > Linux user #360648 > I feel one of those "Moral of the story is" type emails coming on. This will be slightly off topic but the end is relative. I had a PC from the Newbury Freecycle, which I installed Ubuntu on, and then passed on. When I got the PC home I booted up, 800mhz PC running Win98. Unfortunately the HDD still had important docs from Aug last year, plus a nice collection of holiday pics of the couples three children etc, etc, and Outlook Express still had all their emails. Being honest I didnt look at the docs, I saw the names and decided against being nosey, for once in my life. The HDD was taken out and returned to the couple within 20 mins of picking up the machine. This is the problem when you dont know these things, like being told that you need to wipe/format HDD's when you pass machines on to strangers. The moral of the story here is : A) - Being morbid. When your gone, your families going to be worrying about other stuff. Some of you have mentioned that your wifes arnt technical. So my thinking is would they just give the machines away ? Rather than have the added worry of getting the HDD's wiped ? B) - Ive got important documents on my machine. Id rather have something there that would auto wipe the HDD's as easily as logging in. Better to do this than assuming someone will do it after your gone. Its a lot less painfull, less worry, unless the machines are going to family in which case Im over doing the plot, but my partner isnt technical, she can handle switching on, and going to google & check emails, but thats about her level of computer use. She even bugs the crap outta me about whether the machine has been switched off properly. So my partner would probably give my PC's away to the first person who asked for them, purely because she wouldnt have the savvy on how to wipe HDD's even if I printed out a "Howto" with pictures. She has different priorities to me. So the moral of the story is that to save a lot of worry and time, wouldnt it be easier to have the script to auto wipe, then have the machines handed to family, friends, strangers etc ? So at least we would go knowing that the HDD's had been taken care of the easiest route. So Im afraid your all going to be disappointed, no hidden agenda in this corner. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] When I'm gone?
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 18:36 +, Sean Gibbins wrote: > Paul Tansom wrote: > > OK, somewhat prompted by my current state of mind and recent events, but > > a valid question none the less. > > > > For those that have non-technical other halves, relatives or etc. who > > don't know other techies, what, if anything, have you in place for the > > contingency of not being there to support your systems? I'm not thinking > > so much a desktop system, but if you have a server handling mail, > > printing, file sharing, etc. that would likely be over kill or not > > wanted without yourself to support it, do you have details of what to do > > with it and/or an envelope with passwords put to one side? > > Is there a way of writing some sort of script, combined with a user account, that when/if you were to log on with this specific account, the script would start with admin rights and wipe your HDD's ? Im just thinking that we dont know when we're going to go, so have a letter kept with your solicitor / will etc with the specific user account login details. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Wireless problem.
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 21:53 +, Clive Woodfine wrote: > 2009/1/23 B STEVENS : > > i get the same problem with debian lenny sometimes, clive, so i use a > > combination of the following commands to get it up and running: > > > > ip link set wlan0 up > > iwconfig wlan0 essid "routername" > > ifdown wlan0 > > ifup wlan0 > > > > if you can tell me a way of making it permanent (on boot up), i'd appreciate > > it. > > > > regards > > Thanks Brian. I am not at the problematic laptop at the moment so will > have to try this later. I have not used the ip command so will give it > a go. Others are better qualified to tell you how to run these > commands at start up but you could put the commands in a shell script > which runs with just one command. In Ubuntu you can run commands from > "Sessions and Start-up settings". I expect Debian is similar. > > You may find this useful [1] > > What is puzzling to me is that the wireless worked perfectly for about > 1 1/2 years and appears to work with other routers! > > [1] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 > > Phillip, Ubuntu uses the iwl3945 module for my wireless. The funny thing here is that Ubuntu (upto 8.04) doesnt see my card, hence having to use ndiswrapper and the net8185 driver. The latest Debian Lenny see's my card natively but uses a driver that doesnt like wpa, hence why I had to blacklist the driver and use the net8185. Strange how Ubuntu is a fork of Debian Ubstable. The changes Canonical make must be quite big. Have you tried "lspci -vv" to see if your OS is loading the correct kernel module ? Im thinking you may have had a kernel update which could have mucked your wireless. You probably have, in which case ignore me. Thanks Phillip -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Wireless problem.
Ive tried Debian Lenny on a Dell Inspiron 1200 and a Belkin F5D7010
wireless card.
I found that Debian uses the rtl8180 driver for my card, which needed to
be blacklisted. I then had to install ndiswrapper and setup my card on
the net8185 driver instead.
But regards the wireless. I couldnt connect vis WPA2 untill I did the
following :
apt-get install wpasupplicant
gedit /etc/default/ifplugd And add the following to the file:
INTERFACES="eth0"
HOTPLUG_INTERFACES="wlan0"
ARGS="-q -f -u0 -d10 -w -I"
SUSPEND_ACTION="stop"
gedit /etc/network/interfaces
And add the following to the file:
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist)
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
gedit /etc/default/wpasupplicant
And add the following to the file: ENABLED=1
OPTIONS="-w -i wlan0 -D hostap -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
gedit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf And replace everything with:
# WPA-PSK
network={
ssid="YOUR NETWORK NAME"
proto=WPA
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP
psk="YOUR PSK KEY"
priority=4
}
After rebooting I could connect with WPA2 without any problems.
Thanks
Phillip
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 20:49 +, B STEVENS wrote:
> i get the same problem with debian lenny sometimes, clive, so i use a
> combination of the following commands to get it up and running:
>
> ip link set wlan0 up
> iwconfig wlan0 essid "routername"
> ifdown wlan0
> ifup wlan0
>
> if you can tell me a way of making it permanent (on boot up), i'd
> appreciate it.
>
> regards
>
> bryan
>
> --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Clive Woodfine wrote:
> From: Clive Woodfine
> Subject: [Hampshire] Wireless problem.
> To: "Hampshire LUG Discussion List"
>
> Date: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 5:37 PM
>
> I had the wireless networking on my laptop working properly at
last
> Saturday's BaB.
>
> For some
> time I have not been able to get it to work with my router at
> home. Iwconfig shows all the correct values including the MAC
address
> for the router however if I try to ping the router the result
is
> "Destination Host Unreachable". I am using Ubuntu 8.04. It
worked
> perfectly in the past.
>
> Running the laptop with Fedora 10 Live I can connect with no
problem.
>
> Why can't I ping the router? Googling as usual shows others
with the
> same fault but I have found no solution. Any pointers will be
welcome.
>
> --
> Clive Woodfine
>
> --
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Re: [Hampshire] Wireless problem.
Ive tried Debian Lenny on a Dell Inspiron 1200 and a Belkin F5D7010
wireless card.
I found that Debian uses the rtl8180 driver for my card, which needed to
be blacklisted. I then had to install ndiswrapper and setup my card on
the net8185 driver instead.
But regards the wireless. I couldnt connect vis WPA2 untill I did the
following :
apt-get install wpasupplicant
gedit /etc/default/ifplugd And add the following to the file:
INTERFACES="eth0"
HOTPLUG_INTERFACES="wlan0"
ARGS="-q -f -u0 -d10 -w -I"
SUSPEND_ACTION="stop"
gedit /etc/network/interfaces
And add the following to the file:
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist)
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
gedit /etc/default/wpasupplicant
And add the following to the file: ENABLED=1
OPTIONS="-w -i wlan0 -D hostap -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
gedit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf And replace everything with:
# WPA-PSK
network={
ssid="YOUR NETWORK NAME"
proto=WPA
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP
psk="YOUR PSK KEY"
priority=4
}
After rebooting I could connect with WPA2 without any problems.
Thanks
Phillip
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 20:49 +, B STEVENS wrote:
> i get the same problem with debian lenny sometimes, clive, so i use a
> combination of the following commands to get it up and running:
>
> ip link set wlan0 up
> iwconfig wlan0 essid "routername"
> ifdown wlan0
> ifup wlan0
>
> if you can tell me a way of making it permanent (on boot up), i'd
> appreciate it.
>
> regards
>
> bryan
>
> --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Clive Woodfine wrote:
> From: Clive Woodfine
> Subject: [Hampshire] Wireless problem.
> To: "Hampshire LUG Discussion List"
>
> Date: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 5:37 PM
>
> I had the wireless networking on my laptop working properly at last
> Saturday's BaB.
>
> For some
> time I have not been able to get it to work with my router at
> home. Iwconfig shows all the correct values including the MAC address
> for the router however if I try to ping the router the result is
> "Destination Host Unreachable". I am using Ubuntu 8.04. It worked
> perfectly in the past.
>
> Running the laptop with Fedora 10 Live I can connect with no problem.
>
> Why can't I ping the router? Googling as usual shows others with the
> same fault but I have found no solution. Any pointers will be welcome.
>
> --
> Clive Woodfine
>
> --
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Re: [Hampshire] [Chat] Another brick in the wall
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 21:05 +, Hugo Mills wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:02:36PM +, Jacqui Caren wrote: > > Isaac Close wrote: > > > These days i use many different systems and they all have ups and downs, > > > sometimes windows is the best tool for the job, depending on the > > > environment. > > > > > > Heresy! :-) > >More likely to be hearsay. Just an observation of mine. Im running a dual boot Laptop, Windows 2000 and Ubuntu 8.04.1. I also have a "Paid for" version of Crossover from Codeweavers. Plus a PC running Win XP & Debian. Ive got Dreamweaver MX installed, plus MS IE6, Word, Excel & Outlook. I totally uninstalled Openoffice which amounted to about 317MB's. After installing all the MS based software, I still used less space than that required for Openoffice. Ive found that the MS based software runs faster (yes faster) than the Openoffice version. I can open a word doc in (wait for it) MS word running under Crossover, noticeably faster than I was able to under Openoffice Writer. Not by just a second here, but at least 4 seconds. Ive also found that "Once bitten, twice shy." is true. Ive had PC's which Ive got infected, installed all the software and slowed my machines down, etc. Learned the hard way that having Win 98, and installing a theme pack to make it look like XP, will in fact infect you system. I now run Win 2K with Java & Flash switched off by default. Dont allow cookies by default. Plus a few other savvy wise things, scan incoming emails with attachements etc. Yes this is a burden, but following these simple rules Ive been aggro free under windows for quite a while now. The same rules apply for the PC running XP & Debian, switch off what you dont need, only install what you need, switch off all the jave and flash rubbish, and you can have a machine that doesnt get bloated and stays quite fast. I installed firefox for Windows XP with the pref bar added, but for some web sites I need IE, otherwise Id use Firefox full time. Im one of those who thinks praise where praise is due. And I may be out of my depth here, but Im going to play the old "What do you expect when Windows has 90% market share" routine. Would I be talking rubbish if I was to say that the nature of hackers (419 scams etc) have found all the hacks of Windows with intent of scamming people. Windows is therefore its own worst enemy. And I unfortunately believe that MS is only partly to blame for the insecurity of its OS. No OS is 100% secure, so understanding how the hackers / scammers work, then Im sort of seeing why they found ways of hacking windows. Just look at any technology, not just Computers but anything. 6 months(ish) after its been brought out, thieves find a way of getting round the new security. Am I sounding like a troll here ? A) - Yes. B) - Yes. C) - Errr Yes. D) - Yes, and you didnt even make it sound convincing. or E) - Wow that was sooo good, you convinced me. Im gonna go out and buy Vista. Phillip -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [Chat] Another brick in the wall
> > and downloaded the ISO, and currently trying it out ? (Just > > thought you > > might want a laugh on a sunday afternoon.) > > > > Cor blimey, m$ are a bit eager aren't they ? Most windows users don't even > want to go near vista yet. > > But then there is always the 'power users' who demand 'the best' and 'latest' > bug ridden redmond detritus to slow down their 'dual-quad-core-extreme' > multi-terrabyte 'man-hood' extensions. > > I have to be honest, i think m$ peaked some time ago, i can feel it in my > water. Obviously learnt their lesson with Vista. So now they decided to release a Beta and promised that Win 7 would be leaner and faster, as long as people try the beta and send back bug reports. Mind you, do you think they will recover from the failure of Vista ? Win 7 unfortunately doesnt have the option of changing the horrible slab menu back to classic. Which is a shame. Famelix is also one of those Linux distros that have the ugly looking Vista menu. Never understood why some Linux distros wanted to mimick Vista. (Famelix, Linux XP to name but two.). Also the Win 7 desktop is a take on the KDE4 desktop, in that you can put gadgets on the desktop, the clock and weather things. So maybe Windows is trying to look like KDE4 ? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [Chat] Another brick in the wall
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 09:59 +, Isaac Close wrote: > > > The BBC are reporting that the law requiring all ISPs > > to keep a copy of > > > the headers of all emails passing through their email > > servers is being : > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm > > > > > Presumably the terrorists, paedophiles and organised > > criminals won't > > > know this and the huge effort and investment required > > to implement it, > > > along with the further erosion of our rights, will > > all be worthwhile. > > > > "Your free to do as we tell you". Makes sense. Your free to go out for a meal and a couple of pints. But if you drive and your over the limit, and we catch you, then your in trouble. May be a bit OTT, which makes me a sarcastic rodney, especially for a sunday. Im a pessimist that knows we already live in a world thats defined by government goal posts. They already know more about us than we can imagine. And I think that we need to do more, to remind them that we still have an opinion. Something like the poll tax riots. Even though people still got screwed over the poll tax, and what was brought in was still, basically, a wolf in sheeps clothing > > Who's watching the people who are watching the people who are watching the > people ? Their all watching each others backs, making sure no one susses out what their up-to. Maybe they love high unemployment and a high cost of living. It means we are all too busy working, trying to make a living, so therefore we are segregated and more controlable, and not getting up to organising another riot. Plus can I start a new thread. Windows 7 Beta. Anyone here as sad as me, and downloaded the ISO, and currently trying it out ? (Just thought you might want a laugh on a sunday afternoon.) > > > > > > -- Phillip Chandler phillip.chand...@ntlworld.com Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [Chat] Another brick in the wall
> > Of course most people won't bother and the gov will be very successful > in helping husbands and wives find out if their other halves are > cheating on them. Anyone doing anything seriously illegal will work > around the problem as they already do. > > Result: Everyone loses their freedom for very little benefit. > > I wonder if saying this on a public mailing list makes me a > subversive? Probably not, but who knows who is reading this..? > > R > Apparently http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090109/tuk-new-email-law-attack-on-privacy-dba1618.html "People have to worry about the scale, the virtuality of your life being exposed to round about 500 public authorities. "Under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, privacy is a fundamental right... it is important to protect the principle of privacy because once you've lost it it's very difficult to recover." The Home Office said the data would be useful for combating crime." If thats the case, then the Home Office must be assuming that we are all going to be up-to-no-good, a bit like the Tom Cruise fim "Minority Report". I for one dont like the idea of having someone snooping on me to see if I MAY be up to something. But then with the advent of cctv we seem to be on camera approx 300 times a day. I, for one, would rather see more bobbies on the streets, being seen, and the kids of today begin taught how to behave. Common Sense is losing its battle to the PC Brigade. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Meetings
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 20:48 +, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: > On Thursday 11 Dec 2008, Phillip Chandler wrote: > > Could I be nosey. I run the West Berks LUG, and Im keen to try and > > organise an open day in Newbury. Ive seen your emails about the uni open > > days you run. > > > > Id be interested in approaching Newbury College to ask about using one > > of their rooms on a weekend. > > > > Could I nab some info from you if poss, about the best way to ask etc, > > if you donate towards the costs (heating, broadband) etc. And if the uni > > gets some great publicity. > > I can't comment on how things started as it was before my time, but at the > moment we have tame contacts in the universities we visit and get the space > and bandwidth for free and we promise not to break things and leave the place > clean and tidy. We also visit places where people work, Nokia have let us in > for nothing in the past as well. > > Other places charge money - sometimes a lot, and for that we need to take > donations on the door. In fact we always try and take donations to even out > the differing costs of venues. > > With the money we've collected we have bought our own kit so we can turn up > with plenty of power strips, switches and CAT5, wireless bridging, we also > contribute towards our server and so on. > > > Any help you could chuck my way would be very helpfull. > > I'd say the best thing to do would be for a few of you to come down one of > our > meetings, from our web site you can see which ones tend to be better attended > and what has gone on in the past. > > There is also the Reading SCLUG, they don't tend to have technical meetings > but they are closer if you want social gatherings. If you have any joy with > Newbury let us know when your meetings are, there are quite a few of us in > the north of the county who can probably make Newbury and if there are enough > people interested we could do a joint meeting. Thats a great start. I can start sending nice letters etc and test the waters. Would be great to attend some of your meetings, just to put faces to names. Thanks Phillip > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Meetings
Could I be nosey. I run the West Berks LUG, and Im keen to try and organise an open day in Newbury. Ive seen your emails about the uni open days you run. Id be interested in approaching Newbury College to ask about using one of their rooms on a weekend. Could I nab some info from you if poss, about the best way to ask etc, if you donate towards the costs (heating, broadband) etc. And if the uni gets some great publicity. Any help you could chuck my way would be very helpfull. Thanks Phillip On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 22:30 +, Hants LUG Chairman wrote: > Hello, > > Just a quick reminder about our next two meetings. > > Saturday 13 December at the University of Surrey in Guildford with the Surrey > LUG. Details on their web site: > > http://www.surrey.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BringABox/UniversityOfSurrey > > In the new year, the next meeting will take place on Saturday 10 January at > the University of Southampton. Details on our site: > > http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SeminarRoom1 > > TALKS: > > I'm giving a talk at the December meeting (a repeat I'm afraid) and if all > goes well we will have a talk on digital photography in January. > > Lots of people have asked or volunteered to give talks and the talks page is > getting a tad muddled so I'm planning to clean it up shortly. Now would be a > really good time to re-volunteer for a talk so we can put you at the top of > the list! Or if you want to learn about something we can try and coerce a > speaker for you. > > In case I don't see "you" before the new year, Seasons Greetings and best > wishes for the New Year. > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- -- Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Clarkconnect Gateway 4.3 & Horde webmail
> > > Im guessing that once setup right. Id write an email as normal, send to > > my clarkconnect / horde box, which will send on the email itself. So > > rather than send the email direct myself to smtp.ntlworld.com Id send it > > to something like smtp.clarkconnect.lan, and would pull emails from > > pop.clarkconnect.com rather than pop.ntlworld.com. Or would I use imap ? > > Personally, I'd use IMAP, otherwise you may as well just use the NTL > servers. > > James > Ive now setup clarkconnect with flexshare account, which then allows me to setup email. Ive got horde webmail working, it pulls my emails from NTL, and I can slso send from horde. But now Im being thick. Im having problems getting Evolution to connect to my clarkconnect box. Ive changed settings and it goes through the motions of connecting, but it doesnt retrieve emails that I know are waiting. Wondered if someone could slap me with a baseball bat, and push me in the right direction ?? I know that (i think) imap has to map server folders and be connected to the server. Is this correct ? Thanks Phillip -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Xorg.conf
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 09:47 +, Victor Churchill wrote: > 2008/11/7 Phillip Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi All. > > > > Ive installed Debian Lenny on my Dell Inspiron 1200, with kernel > > 2.6.26-1-686. > > > > Im now getting an annoying problem. Every so often my xorg.conf crashed. > > The display starts flickering black, and then I get error messages. > > > > This is what my current conf file looks like. The graphics card is an > > Intel 915gm. > > Would anyone have heard of this before. > > I doubt I can help personally (I hate X problems) - however, it would > be helpful if you could quote the error messages you get - they may be > at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/messages. Im glad you quoted the directory & log names. This first bit is /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.4.2 Release Date: 11 June 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.4.2-7) Current Operating System: Linux TrailerTrashTent 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:18:09 UTC 2008 i686 Build Date: 30 September 2008 01:48:58AM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Nov 7 09:28:31 2008 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Configured Monitor" (==) No device specified for screen "Default Screen". Using the first device section listed. (**) | |-->Device "Configured Video Device" (==) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse" (==) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" (==) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout. Using the first mouse device. (==) The core keyboard device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout. Using the first keyboard device. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) No FontPath specified. Using compiled-in default. (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi (==) RgbPath set to "/etc/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) Loader magic: 0x81e38c0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.3 X.Org Video Driver: 2.0 X.Org XInput driver : 2.0 X.Org Server Extension : 0.3 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.5 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libpcidata.so (II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0 (++) using VT number 7 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,2590 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 8086,2592 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 03,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:02:1: chip 8086,2792 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 03,80,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,2658 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1d:1: chip 8086,2659 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,265a card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:3: chip 8086,265b card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1d:7: chip 8086,265c card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,2448 card , rev d3 class 06,04,01 hdr 81 (II) PCI: 00:1e:2: chip 8086,266e card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,2641 card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,266f card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,266a card 1028,01a6 rev 03 class 0c,05,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:01:0: chip 104c,ac56 card d000, rev 00 class 06,07,00 hdr 02 (II) PCI: 02:08:0: chip 8086,1068 card 1028,01a4 rev 03 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 03:00:0: chip 1799,701f card 1799,701f rev 20 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Intel Bridge workaround enabled (II)
[Hampshire] Xorg.conf
Hi All. Ive installed Debian Lenny on my Dell Inspiron 1200, with kernel 2.6.26-1-686. Im now getting an annoying problem. Every so often my xorg.conf crashed. The display starts flickering black, and then I get error messages. This is what my current conf file looks like. The graphics card is an Intel 915gm. Would anyone have heard of this before. Thanks Phillip # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "gb" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" EndSection -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Clarkconnect Gateway 4.3 & Horde webmail
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 20:02 +, James Ashburner wrote: > Phillip Chandler wrote: > > Hi Everyone. > > > > > What Im really stumped on is setting up the ntl smtp, so I can send > > emails from horde webmail. Would anyone know how to do this ? Ive > > googled and it looks like I have to use a terminal to open the file, in > > something like vi. > > I've not upgraded to 4.3 yet, but assuming it's the same as 4.2 this is > a very simple setting in the web console. Go to SMTP mail under Software > and enter smtp.ntlworld.com in the Outbound Relay Hosts field. That's > all there is to it. Oh James . Your the man ! hahahahahahahaha Id looked at a few howto's, and they were WAY over my head. It now works. I feel like a dork. Something so simple can be the root of my problem. But "Thank you" for that. Im chuffed now Im a step closer. > Your CC box will send mail without doing this but you'll run into > problems with spam detection as many servers bounce mail from public IPs. > > > Im guessing that once setup right. Id write an email as normal, send to > > my clarkconnect / horde box, which will send on the email itself. So > > rather than send the email direct myself to smtp.ntlworld.com Id send it > > to something like smtp.clarkconnect.lan, and would pull emails from > > pop.clarkconnect.com rather than pop.ntlworld.com. Or would I use imap ? > > Personally, I'd use IMAP, otherwise you may as well just use the NTL > servers. Im probably trying to setup the same sort of thing as a few of you guys. Ive got my own home LAN, where my partner and her mom use the connection, wirelessly. So Im looking at having *That* little extra security / spam filter / anti virus / shared folders etc setup on my box. Ive also setup the printer so they can all use it. I dont trust my 73 yr old mother-in-law in the sense that she doesnt know about what not to download etc. Ive tried to educate her in that there are great / safe web sites out there, but there are also non safe sites, and that clicking here, there and everywhere, and signing up for this, that and the other, isnt always a good idea. But this is great practice for me. > James > > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Clarkconnect Gateway 4.3 & Horde webmail
Hi Everyone. Ive managed to setup my clarkconnect firewall with Horde webmail (I have no idea how, but it works, sort of). Two things I need to figure out. But Id like your help on one of them. Ive setup the ntlworld pop server, so Horde can pull the emails. I now need to figure out how to get Evolution to connect to my clarkconnect box, to get the emails, rather than ntl direct. This I can sort of stumble through and figure out. What Im really stumped on is setting up the ntl smtp, so I can send emails from horde webmail. Would anyone know how to do this ? Ive googled and it looks like I have to use a terminal to open the file, in something like vi. Im guessing that once setup right. Id write an email as normal, send to my clarkconnect / horde box, which will send on the email itself. So rather than send the email direct myself to smtp.ntlworld.com Id send it to something like smtp.clarkconnect.lan, and would pull emails from pop.clarkconnect.com rather than pop.ntlworld.com. Or would I use imap ? Thanks Phillip -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Carphone Warehouse
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:53 +, Hugo Mills wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:42:22PM -, Mark Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > Linux is still very much considered a technical O/S, and users are > > > considered to be more technically minded than average users. Im sure > > > that most windows users wouldnt know how to trouble shoot. They expect > > > it to work out of the box. > > > > > > I dare you to take a PC or Laptop to a corner shop (or even PC world), > > > say your running Linux, ask for help, and get someone who is a Linux > > > guru. I'll put £1 bet on whether you get a knowledgerable person. > > > > I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting, but to me it sounds like you > > think that companies selling Linux shouldn't be obliged to know anything > > about it due to it's perceived market? > >I think he's pointing out that the fact is that most companies > selling Linux *don't* have anyone how knows about it, whether they > should have or not. Carphone Warehouse have probably realised this, > and are taking steps to bring their technical expertise in line with > their product range -- in the cheapest way possible. > >Hugo. Thanks Hugo. Thats the point I was making. There are people / companies that whether its right or wrong, do see linux as a technical persons OS. Plus as windows is the main OS out there, technical people working in shops as pcworld are trained on ms. I have myself been in the situation where staff in pcworld look at you blankly, when asking about linux. Its not about whether companies should be obliged to know anything. You just look at dells website, and see how easy it is to find the dell machines with linux. Im pretty sure theres no BIG link on the front page advertising it, you have to hunt around. Dells market is windows, its where they get their money, gauranteed. And at the moment linux is still pretty much a niche market. But then it has taken off like a rocket lately, and hopefully will do even more. But the general market just dont know about linux. Most of my friends use win xp, without any anti virus or anything. And their attitude is "It works, it does what I want blah, blah, blah, why bother changing ?" So Im impressed when anyone (of any age) tries linux and can re-teach themselfs about new stuff. Some people dont want to learn, so bonus points to your dad for trying out linux. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Carphone Warehouse
> > I wonder if there is a factor whereby everyone thinks they can support > Windows (Carphone Warehouse staff included), but most of these people > are pretty clueless when it comes to Linux. You can just see the > confused customer going back to the point of sale for advice nd the > staff either bullshitting for all they are worth (I have experienced > this first hand when purchasing a netbook), or simply running for cover > or playing the "I only know about Windows!" card? Im pretty sure its also down to the fact that if your running Linux, then you must know what your doing. Linux is still very much considered a technical O/S, and users are considered to be more technically minded than average users. Im sure that most windows users wouldnt know how to trouble shoot. They expect it to work out of the box. I dare you to take a PC or Laptop to a corner shop (or even PC world), say your running Linux, ask for help, and get someone who is a Linux guru. I'll put £1 bet on whether you get a knowledgerable person. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Which distro next?
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:06 +, Charlie de Courcy wrote:
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> Phillip Chandler said the following on 30/10/08 16:11:
> > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 15:34 +, Charlie de Courcy wrote:
> >
> >> Phillip Chandler said the following on 30/10/08 14:55:
> >>
> >>> (K)Ubuntu 8.10 and Fedora do seem to have a problem with wpa2 wireless.
> >>> Debian Lenny needs 5 mins work to get wpa.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I've not had a problem with WPA under Ubuntu.
> >>'sudo aptitude install wpasupplicant'
> >> and everything works fine with network-manager etc?
> >>
> >> - Charlie
> >>
> >
> > So what sort of hardware are you guys running ? Ive got a Dell Inspiron
> > 1200, 512mb ram, Belkin F5D7010 Ver7000uk Wireless card, and seem to
> > have problems with wpa2 encryption.
> >
> > Plus under Ubuntu 7.10 I install ndiswrapper and use the net8185 driver,
> > and wpa2 works 101%.
> >
> >
> >
>
> My desktop is a custom AMD64 3200+ 2GB ram, Nvidia & Marvel Gig-E,
> Broadcom BCM4306 Wireless and all works fine.
>
> Laptop is a Toshiba Tecra M5, Core Duo, Intel 82573L Gig-E, Intel
> 3945ABG wireless.
>
> I've just upgraded and nm-applet wasn't showing here also. I added the
> following to sources:
>
> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu intrepid main
>
>
> and changed /etc/network/interfaces to only have the following lines
> uncommented:
>
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
>
> Now everything is working fine! Looks good - seems to all be running OK
> so far...
> There aren't any WPA points here - I'll check later and report if I have
> any problems at home with WPA2...
>
Under Debian I have to do the following from a terminal.
gedit /etc/default/ifplugd And add the following to the file:
INTERFACES="eth0"
HOTPLUG_INTERFACES="wlan0"
ARGS="-q -f -u0 -d10 -w -I"
SUSPEND_ACTION="stop"
gedit /etc/network/interfaces And add the following to the file:
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Wireless... (this section may or may not already exist)
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
gedit /etc/default/wpasupplicant And add the following to the file:
ENABLED=1
OPTIONS="-w -i wlan0 -D hostap -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
Then in terminal enter wpa_passphrase
gedit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf And replace everything with:
# WPA-PSK
network={
ssid="MY WIRELESS NAME"
proto=WPA
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP
psk="VERY LONG ENCRYPTION KEY GOES HERE"
priority=4
}
Then my wpa2 wireless works, but only after installing wicd as well. So
Im confused as to why Im having wpa problems with most other distros.
But then I dont do any of the above with Ubuntu 7.10 except install wicd
and my card inf file ?
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Re: [Hampshire] Which distro next?
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 15:34 +, Charlie de Courcy wrote: > > Phillip Chandler said the following on 30/10/08 14:55: > > > > (K)Ubuntu 8.10 and Fedora do seem to have a problem with wpa2 wireless. > > Debian Lenny needs 5 mins work to get wpa. > > > I've not had a problem with WPA under Ubuntu. >'sudo aptitude install wpasupplicant' > and everything works fine with network-manager etc? > > - Charlie So what sort of hardware are you guys running ? Ive got a Dell Inspiron 1200, 512mb ram, Belkin F5D7010 Ver7000uk Wireless card, and seem to have problems with wpa2 encryption. Plus under Ubuntu 7.10 I install ndiswrapper and use the net8185 driver, and wpa2 works 101%. Anything from 8.04 onwards, even with wpasupplicant installed and writing the relavent files, wpa2 just doesnt want to play ball, except the latest Debian Lenny. Plus Debian now seems to use the rtl8185 driver and see's my card by default, same as the latest Ubuntu, openSuse, Fedora etc. Ive tried both nm and wicd, and only use wicd now. The only other distro that works out-of-the-box is Mandriva 2008 powerpack which connects with the net-applet. Im assuming that its all down to what hardware you have. In the sense that if the devs have the same hardware then the software / drivers should be 100% !!! Or am I going off the track big time ? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Which distro next?
Windows lookalike !!! Well KDE 3.x would fit the bill as being windows little brother in basic look menu wise(ish) (K)Ubuntu 8.10 and Fedora do seem to have a problem with wpa2 wireless. Debian Lenny needs 5 mins work to get wpa. As regards to whether pclos is right for you. Best bet is to download the live CD ISO and give it a spin. Installing my Belkin wireless driver was 4 clicks. On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 14:11 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the recommendation. I've kept away from PCLinuxOS as I always > perceived it as trying to be Windows. Is this still the case? > > I like Linux. I don't want Windows. I just don't know enough to localise the > FC9 wifi failure to the kernel, nm or the Intel driver or to fix it. Do you > think PCLinuxOS is right for me? > > Thanks, > Paul. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Which distro next?
Hi Paul. Have you consider PCLinuxOS ? The 2007 version is rock solid with KDE, but there is now a 2009 version out, still in Beta but starting to look good. Texstar (who is the main person on the distro) came from Mandriva, so has that way of thinking, and also sways towards the Debian way of thinking, IE "It will be released when we're happy with it, if thats a month or 4 months then tough, thats the way its going to be." Phillip On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 12:55 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > Hi, > > My distro journey isn't going too well. I was happy with Kubuntu but ever > since Feisty I'd been seeing more and more things that just "weren't right". > The final straw was when I couldn't get Pulseaudio to work with KDE. > > I decided to give FC9 a try and that is great apart from NetworkManager/the > kernel being broken (wireless can't connect to most WPA networks and now has > a nasty resource leak since the latest update that keeps taking the machine > down.) Mouseovers on MP3 files also cause xmms to run so short of resources > that the machine drops audio. > > I'm not good enough to fix these problems so I'm thinking about another > distro change. Things I'd like: > > * KDE (preferably 4) > * Pulseaudio > * NM and my Intel 4965 wifi working. > * Easy support for LUKS encrypted drives. > > I'm going to be doing some Internet radio broadcasting (probably with IDJC) > so I need it not to run out of puff on my machine (2.4 dual core 3MB cache > 800 FSB, 4GB, nVidia Quadro FX 1600m graphics. Hardly a slouch) > > What should I try next please. I want something with good repos, that's well > supported and that doesn't need hours of surgery just to get it working. > > My initial ideas are to try Kubuntu Intrepid, Debian (Etch or Lenny?), FC10 > Beta (can't work much worse than FC9 on my machine), try Gentoo, Mandriva or > maybe Mint. What do you think I should do? > > Thanks, > Paul. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] [Fwd: Re: Prefbar + Firefox 2.0.0.17 + Debian Lenny Bug not listed]
Hi All I emailed the writer of prefbar as per Adam Trickett's suggestion. And this is the reply Ive just had. --- Begin Message --- Hi, [PrefBar slows down Firefox] > Any ideas please ? This is a known problem: https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=18655 Please also see the links in my last comment. Noone knows why this slowdown exists. Maybe the difference is that Iceweasel is compiled from source against the libraries you have in your system while the official firefox binary is compiled agains "some" libraries but most probably not the version you have on your system. Possible solution: compile Firefox from source. But don't ask me how, I'm no Firefox developer and I only compile SeaMonkey from source from time to time. CU Manuel -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- gegen HTML-Mail answers as html mail will be deleted automatically! Antworten als HTML-Mail werden automatisch gelöscht! Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser --- End Message --- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Debian Lenny + Firefox 2.0.0.17 +Prefbar Correctionto first email.
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:27 +0100, Bond, Peter wrote: > > If you disapprove, complain to Mozilla: out of all the free > > software with a trademarked name/logo, Mozilla is the only one that > > causes problems. > > Actually, I switched to Ubuntu instead. Makes far more sense to me than > complaining to Mozilla - they stuck to their principles, Debian stuck to > theirs - and the users get caught in the middle of it. It wasn't the > only issue I had with Debian, but it was the last straw. One story I heard regarding the firefox arguement, was that debian was doing patches for ff and sending them to mozilla. But mozilla was putting these patches on the back burner, and making their own patches priority, and that debian then got cheesed off with waiting. Which in all things considered is a fair point. If your doing half the job of the mozilla devs and helping them out, then theoretically shouldnt you be more happy, seeing as debian is a well established / respected sort of distro. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Debian Lenny + Firefox 2.0.0.17 +Prefbar Corr ection to first email.
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 11:06 +, Tony Whitmore wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:53:53 +0100, Dr Adam J Trickett > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Phillip Chandler wrote: > >> So I was wondering if you lads / Ladies had any suggestions. Im wanting > >> to get back to Debian as I prefer the rolling release & long term > >> support, rather than the Ubuntu 6 month release cycle. Ubuntu has been > >> great as a step into the Linux world, and has taught me many wonderfull > >> things, but now Im eager to move on. > > > > Which is why I run Debian. > > Each to their own, and choice is a wonderful thing etc. but I think it's > worth pointing out that Ubuntu makes Long Term Support (LTS) releases, > which guarantee bug and security fixes for three years on the desktop and > five years on the server. That's pretty long term, IMHO. > > I'm not too sure what Phillip means by "rolling release" though. Both > Debian and Ubuntu have allow for in-place upgrades and running development > versions. > > Tony > I could be corrected here. But if you have your debian sources list set to testing (I think) you can basically keep your system (and software) up-to-date with the latest versions, without having to reinstall when a new version is release. PCLos does this (I think). This rolling release is sort of the same as windows. In businesses, they have a 4-5 yr life cycle of their PC's and Laptops, and they all mainly have XP installed on them. In fact the machines can be older than the 5 yrs. I dont think the Ubuntu Desktop is as long as 5 yrs, Im sure the 5 yrs is the server version. But a point here is that even if companies install an LTS, are they going to then have to upgrade all machines after 3 yrs, which is (i believe) the length of the desktop LTS. I read that with the latest Ubuntu LTS, they decided to put in firefox 3 beta, so that they could support that version for the x years that the LTS goes for. But if they had gone for the stable version of 2.0.016/17 then Ubuntu would have had to support ver 2.x for five years, even though firefox had stopped supporting it in favour of ver 3.x. Hence why (in my mind) Ubuntu took the risky road of including beta software. A post I read stated that once a version is in the final release, Ubuntu doesnt have another release of that software untill the next distro release. Which means if you install Firefox 2.0.0.17 in 7.10, after ff stops supporting it, your then forced to not only upgrade your distro to ver 8.04, but if you wanted to upgrade firefox to ver 3 you would have to install from outside the repo's. Which as we all know, is frowned upon. If you install from outside the repos, and you stuff your machine, then your politely told not to post to the user forums. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Debian Lenny + Firefox 2.0.0.17 + Prefbar Correction to first email.
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 11:53 +0100, Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Phillip Chandler wrote: > > Hi Everyone. > > > > Heres todays brain teaser. > > > > > > I installed Debian Lenny on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 1200) last week. I > > removed Iceweasel using apt-get remove iceweasel, and then ran nautilus > > as root, and deleted all folders relating to mozilla. > > > > I then unzipped firefox 2.x.17 into my home folder, installed libstdc > > ++5, created a link to the right file and it ran perfectly. > > > Why, what is wrong with Iceweasel? it's just Firefox without the > Mozilla branding and Firefox name. It works fine for me with > normal Firefox add-ons. Other than a logo you wouldn't know you > you were not using Firefox. > Unfortunately whether I use Iceweasel or firefox, the same problem happens. And as you say, iceweasel is just firefox without the branding. But this doesnt mean that a problem in firefox would also not work in iceweasel. My non technical idea is that lenny (and iceweasel) are done so that they both work well together, without the MS integration of win xp & IE, whereas they have taken ff and taken out all the branding and maybe changed a few other things, which could effectively make it not work so well under lenny, but iceweasel does. Im guessing its an incompatibility issue because of all the guff you need to run version 3.0.3 (of whatever browser) under the distro. And in removing 3.0.3 and the sql database you could be stuffing up something else. But not being as technical as you chaps, Im only guessing because of whats happened. Regardless of what browser ver 2.x I have, prefbar doesnt work 100%, which under ubuntu & ff 2.0.17 works great. So just wanting to see if there was some switch I needed to change, or add something to about:config etc. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Debian Lenny + Firefox 2.0.0.17 + Prefbar Correction to first email.
utDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" EndSection So I tried changing xorg to no effect. So then for some reason I uninstalled firefox and installed iceweasel and it ran normally with bookmnarks and no lag. So trying again I reinstalled firefox, imported my bookmarks (WITHOUT prefbar installed) and again there was no lag. * Should have been "Without prefbar installed" NOT "With prefbar installed" * I really need to concentrate on my typing skills, or at least read before hitting "Send" So Im pretty sure, by the philosophy of Sherlock Holmes, that it is an incompatibility issue with Firefox 2.x & Prefbar under Debian Lenny. So I was wondering if you lads / Ladies had any suggestions. Im wanting to get back to Debian as I prefer the rolling release & long term support, rather than the Ubuntu 6 month release cycle. Ubuntu has been great as a step into the Linux world, and has taught me many wonderfull things, but now Im eager to move on. -- Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07948 342882 Voip : 01635 767075 This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company the sender represents. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and its attachments, you must take no action based upon them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Debian Lenny + Firefox 2.0.0.17 + Prefbar
Hi Everyone. Heres todays brain teaser. I installed Debian Lenny on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 1200) last week. I removed Iceweasel using apt-get remove iceweasel, and then ran nautilus as root, and deleted all folders relating to mozilla. I then unzipped firefox 2.x.17 into my home folder, installed libstdc ++5, created a link to the right file and it ran perfectly. I then installed prefbar and firefox then suffered from severe lag when going through the bookmarks. At first it didnt click as Debian did seem to run slightly slower than Ubuntu 7.10, so I thought it was my xorg.conf which showed : # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "Files" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "gb" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device""/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents""true" Option "Device""/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "wacom" Identifier "stylus" Option "Device""/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "stylus" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "wacom" Identifier "eraser" Option "Device""/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "eraser" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "wacom" Identifier "cursor" Option "Device""/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "cursor" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" Driver "intel" BusID "PCI:0:2:0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" # Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet # InputDevice "stylus""SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "cursor""SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "eraser""SendCoreEvents" I
Re: [Hampshire] Off-site backup (storage) services
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:48 +, Tony Whitmore wrote: > Hi, > > I'm investigating commercial services for collection, storage and retrieval > of backups tapes off-site. Can anyone recommend any such services? > > Alternatively, in the on-line backup arena, we currently backup 3TB of data > in a full backup run. It is practical to use an on-line backup service for > this quantity of data or is the expense signficantly higher than the > storage services mentioned above? > > Thanks, > > Tony > > Another one would be MJF Data Management. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 14:27 +0100, john lewis wrote: > On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:16:55 +0100 > Phillip Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Hello Mr. Chairman" from sunny, but cold, Thatcham. > > putting my on; > > is your family local to Thatcham or were they recent incomers? There > were several Chandler families resident in Thatcham in the 1901 > Census. Heres an excuse for a history lesson. My Grandparents, on my dads side, the Chandlers, lived up at "Upper Bucklebury" along "The Ridge", about 1.5 miles from where I live now. My grandad built their house there, and lived there from 1940(ish) untill either the very late 90's, or at least until 2000. My grandmother had parents who also lived in the area. Im not sure where his parents were from. My grandparents on my mothers side come from woolwich and had a market stall by the woolwich arsenal. Which brings up a nice fact, Arsenal the football club were right by the munitions place in woolwich which is (apparently) where they got their name from. But my grandparents moved to Theale during the war, when the arsenal moved families (and the arsenal) out here for safety. My grandfather (mothers dad) died in the 50's, and up to about two years ago, there were only two of the original oldies left in Theale, my grandmother being one of them, but she died and now there is only one oldie left. The stories she told were wonderfull regarding her working on her parents stall at 14 yrs old plus, and how they used to live. If only Id taken more notice / notes I could have had a great book to sell, and make loadsa money to have the latest Pc technology in my place. We all ask how they could put up with the living standards back then, but Im sure it was a case of despite what stuff they ate, working the hours they did, plus all the exercise they got, is probably why they were so fit and lived so long, and it didnt matter what they ate, to a certain degree. If you see where Im going here. > -- > John Lewis > using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
> As the new chairman I will personally try and say hello to > everyone. I know it's hard on a first visit to a new group to meet > people and while I know some people do introduce themselves it > does help if some people in the group introduce themselves first. "Hello Mr. Chairman" from sunny, but cold, Thatcham. Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07934 481172 Voip : 01635 767075 > Adam Trickett > Overton, HANTS, UK > > I've found that people who are great at something are > not so much convinced of their own greatness as > mystified at why everyone else seems so incompetent. > -- Paul Graham, "Great Hackers" 2004 > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Debian Testing i386 Latest Release
Hi Everyone. Hi Becky Welcome to the list. Ive just installed the latest Debian Testing (Gnome based). Everything has so far gone well. They have even sorted out the bug that crashed everytime you wanted to connect to an SMB folder. My wireless network card is natively found (Belkin F5D7010 Ver 7). I installed wicd through synaptic after adding it to my sources list. My problem is that my wpa2 wireless router isnt showing up. Ive got wpa_supplicant installed, and wicd uses wext by default as the wpa supplicant driver. Ive gone through the list and selected all the other options, but my router still doesnt show up. Any ideas or sugguestions you may have will help. This is where you suggest somethng that I forgot to install, and feel daft for asking. Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07934 481172 Voip : 01635 767075 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
